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Morning Reading List: Bears at Their Best


Hershey goalie Michal Neuvirth is 13-4 in the playoffs after going 9-5-2 in the regular season. (Paul Chaplin, The Patriot-News/2009)


The Hershey Bears could be playing their best hockey all year, having won five games in a row and seven of eight. Even so, Coach Bob Woods is quick to say his team isn't a lock to win the AHL's Calder Cup over the Manitoba Moose.

"It's long from over," Woods said. "We're going to see a pretty desperate hockey team in Manitoba. They know they don't want to come back to our building 0-2." (The Patriot-News)

Oskar Osala, a fourth-round draft pick by the Caps in 2006, has carved out a role for himself on the talent-packed Hershey Bears. (Washington Times)

Game 2 of the Calder Cup finals is tonight in Winnipeg at 8:30 p.m.


Q&A With Ted Leonsis

Caps majority owner Ted Leonsis takes readers' questions on owning an NHL team, building a rabid following in football-mad Washington and the team's plans for the future tomorrow at noon. Submit questions ahead of time or during the discussion here.


Around the League

* Ken Campbell says Jacques Martin's move to Montreal leaves the Florida Panthers in a tough spot: scrambling to find a GM before free agent signings. (The Hockey News)

* Jim Balsillie explains why he wants to move the Phoenix Coyotes franchise back to Canada. (National Post)

* Wayne Gretzky stands to lose up to $9.3 million if Balsillie fails to move the money-losing Coyotes to Hamilton, according to court documents filed over the weekend. (Toronto Star)

* Pavel Datsyuk's status is uncertain for Game 3 of the Stanley Cup finals tonight in Pittsburgh, but it's not looking good. (Detroit News)

* The Penguins know exactly what they're up against -- a Detroit Red Wings team with a 2-0 series lead and plenty of momentum -- but they're still confident they can pull out a victory. (Pittsburgh Post-Gazette)

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Comments

yay, I get to comment before anyone else.

Posted by: superpaqman | June 2, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

It seems like everybody, their mother, and the family dog is headed for Hershey this weekend. I'm going up Saturday and was vaguely noodling the idea of a potluck tailgate if people were interested.

Posted by: kittypawz | June 2, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I WISH I could go to Hershey for the game!! Never been able to go to a Bears game :(

LETS GO BEARS!

and of course- LETS GO RED WINGS!

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

The fact that Campbell expressly chose to waive it through citing to it's purpose is indicative of inconsistency. Whether or not that is the case, the selective application of the rule creates a perception that the league office plays favorites. Such does not help the League rise above it's current perceived status as inferior to the NBA, NFL, and MLB.

Posted by: Matt23185 | June 2, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

@Matt23185: You made some good points throughout your post on the last thread. The only thing I personnally disagree with is assuming the NHL is the only one that takes care, and gives preferential treatment to their stars. Every league does it. There are black and white rules in every sport, unless you are one of the faces of your respective league. It doesn't make the NHL inferior, it makes it a business.

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 2, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Osala should get very serious attention in training camp. With Kozlov gone and Fehr not quite a proven NHL player (I'd say bust, but others on this blog will quickly disagree), Osala has a chance to jump onto OV and Back's line. Aucoin is also making a strong case for 2nd line center. Giroux may even be able to finally make the jump from the AHL to NHL. Lots of great talent on the farm team, maybe even enough to allow the Caps to just shop for 2-3 veterans to add to the roster -- one wing/center and one tough blueliner. There should be space with the Russian exodus and not resigning Schultz and Morrison (maybe -- depends on how much he asks for).

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS | June 2, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

From the Bears article:

Conventional hockey physics don't seem to apply to the Bears right now. They've mustered the five-game streak despite being outscored a collective 6-1 in the first period.

Manitoba took a 2-1 lead into first intermission en route to a 3-1 lead. It merely set the stage for another Hershey rally.

"We've got to get to our game off the hop," Woods said. "We can't spot them a lead and expect to come back every time."

-- Seems to be an organizational thing, although it's great to know the teams can make comebacks, the way things worked out for the Caps this year shows you can't rely on comebacks every game. Sometimes you just need to score early and often and beat opponents into submission.

Posted by: superpaqman | June 2, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Super-

It's so interesting how the Caps and Bears are so similar. Both teams seem to wait until they are behind to begin playing their best, like they are both more comfortable being the underdogs. I don't think it's a lack of desire to win, but maybe its a lack of discipline? Experience? All I know is they are going to have to find a cure for this seemingly chronic issue if we are ever going to make it further in the playoffs.

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Strangely enough the Red Wings have given up the first goal in 5 of their last 7 playoff games. Their record in those 5 game 4-1. The Pens seem to capture portions of periods just like they did against the Caps. The Red Wings are a deeper team, I will not dispute that, but they also are not having to deal with getting called for penalties. Again, I know every says that cool as long as it is called both ways, which I am too. The problem is, when these two teams are playing everyone else, they always get the benefit of calls. Still though, I would love to see the Pens not only lose the series but do worse than last year which means swept or 4-1.

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 2, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Also, if Pittsburgh's whining results in more penalties being called against the Red Wings, let's say a 5-2 disparity, the Pens will win by a couple of goals because penalties change the entire complection of the game, even if the goals are not scored while on the Powerplay.

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 2, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else heading up to Hershey for games 3&4? I am looking forward to my trip up...I really hope they win tonight. Game 1 was crazy, being down 3-1 and pulling back to win in OT...they are great with comebacks! I am also looking forward to the Wings/Pens game tonight. I still say Wings in 5, but I feel a win for the Pens at home (though I hope I am wrong and they get swept). Go Bears and Wings!

Posted by: NatyBG | June 2, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

@JIMALLCAPS: I know you don't like Schultz, but step back and do the math for a minute. The cap isn't likely to go up. Kozlov's leaving doesn't add anything, all it does is make room for a full season of Brian Pothier (who at $2.5M has the same cap hit as Kozlov). Quick comparison of Schultz and ShaMo (sources Japers' Rink and BehindTheNet.ca):

Shaone Morrisonn

  • Status: RFA
  • Cap hit '08-'09: $1.975M
  • QO, '09-'10: $2.17M
  • Stat Line, RS: 3-10-13, +4 in 72 GP
  • Stat Line, P: 0-1-1, +1 in 14 GP
  • Corsi (RS): 11.3 5v5, -87.1 4v5

Jeff Schultz

  • Status: RFA
  • Cap hit '08-'09: $750K
  • QO, '09-'10: $825K
  • Stat Line, RS: 1-11-12, +13 in 64 GP
  • Stat line, P: 0-0-0, -1 in 1 GP
  • Corsi (RS): 4.0 5v5, -82.3 4v5

So what does all this mean? It means that Schultzie had a considerably better +/- in fewer GP and is a better penalty killer than ShaMo, and comes considerably cheaper, especially when past experience suggests that ShaMo is unlikely to sign his QO, where Schultz probably will. ShaMo's rumored to want $3M, which the Caps cannot afford with Semin and Backstrom resignings looming on the horizon.

Since both of them are RFA's, the team is entitled to compensation based on the amount of the offer tendered if either of them sign an offer sheet for another team. Schultz's current salary suggests that the most the team is going to get as RFA compensation for him is a 3rd round draft pick, where if ShaMo walks, the Caps could get a second-round pick or even a first and a third depending on what he signs for. (source NHLscap.com)

Given this discussion and our need for another tough-guy blueliner, plus Pothier expected to be back for a full season and Alzner and maybe Carlson in the wings, I think Schultz has more value to the org than ShaMo does, so I think the Caps let ShaMo walk and take the compensation.

Posted by: kittypawz | June 2, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Here is the cap space estimated. Only $3M to play with, and that already assumes Mo is gone.

Ovechkin 9.538
Nylander 4.875
Semin 4.600
Clark 2.633
Backstrom 2.400
Laich 2.067
Bradley 1.000
Fehr (Est - RFA) 0.900
Gordon (Est - RFA) 0.900
Osala 0.735
Flash 0.725
Steckel 0.725
Beagle 0.688
Aucoin 0.500
S/T 14 Forwards 32.286
Green 5.250
Poti 3.500
Pothier 2.500
Alzner 1.675
Jurcina or Schultz (Est - RFA) 1.275
Erskine 1.275
Sloan (Est - UFA) 0.750
S/T 7 Defensemen 16.225
Theodore 4.500
Varlamov 0.850
S/T 2 Goalies 5.350
Total 23 Players 53.861
Cap Space (Est) 57.000
Available 3.139

Posted by: tominfl1 | June 2, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

@ JSchon

We're in Pittsburgh at the marriot across from (S)Mellon arena. Scored tickets in the upper level, but in row 1. Too cool!

Looks like science has confirmed how most follow the Pens:

http://news.aol.com/article/penguin-poop/508025

As Caps fans, we already knew this.

Let's Go Red Wings!

Posted by: btcg | June 2, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Can you believe Crosby got nominated for the Messier Leadership Award! Being the NHL's # 1 whiner gets you an award when you are Crosby...this league is a joke!

Posted by: NatyBG | June 2, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Given those #'s, Juice, Schultz, ShaMo all up RFA, Alzner ready to make the jump (and maybe Seabrooke/Carlson???), keep Juice, let ShaMo walk (yet offer min qualifying offer for picks), and min qual offer to Schultz (two-way, not one-way, if possible) to see if the Caps get a pick (not likely) or see if Schultz can serve as the 7th dee if one of the young ones has a slump or injury. See if the Caps can sign a rugged blueliner which I think is more important than a ufa rw/center -- too many Hershey options (e.g. Giroux, Aucoin, Osala, Bourque) to spend little cap space on a wing/center (plus Clark and Nylander may prove servicable for next year????)

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS | June 2, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

They would do anything to get him to the awards...you know since he wasn't nominated for any of the skill related awards they had to make sure thier golden boy got an invite!

Posted by: NatyBG | June 2, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Like or not, Bettman is set on promoting Crysbaby. I hate the guy, but he is skilled. The NHL wants to promote it's own, and seeing the votes he got for the allstar game, it makes business sense. That he wasn't chosen by his peers also makes sense cuz he is a whiny little b. I think the players understand that promoting Crysbaby is good for the business side of the league, even if most don't respect the twerp

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS | June 2, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, but Crosby will have a reason not to show up and no one will say anything. However, Datsyuk, being a Hart candidate, could possibly miss the festivities to have surgery on his foot that is in a boot case right now and he'll get suspended for the first game next season. Lidstrom, a Norris candidate, could also miss for a legit reason because he is battling an injury right now and he will get suspended. Crosby will might miss because he will be grounded by Mario's wife for not cleaning his room, but he will be eligible for opening day next season.

Just kidding of course, but that's what happened at after the all-star game. Crosby didn't get suspended because he was injured and Datsyuk and Lidstrom "were not" even though the Red Wings training staff said they were. It is NHL policy that a suspension will be given but, as usual, Crosby was immune.

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 2, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

@fanhock, I know the All-Star suspension thing was a mess, but at least Crosby did show up in Montreal and was in the background. Datsyuk and Lidstrom didn't even go, had they been at the festivities I don't think they would have been suspended either.

Posted by: ds_kelly | June 2, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

the whole "you must coem to the all-star game OR ELSE!!!!!!!!!!!" thing was simply absurd.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

@jiminallcaps

Guys from Hershey are not significantly better or even slightly better than players already on the current roster. I want to say that Fehr scored 25 goals his last season with the bears. If you read japers analysis on Fehr you will read what I have said too many times to count, that Fehr is extremely effective and is behind the Alex's in goal scoring production 5 on 5 per minute played. He plays on the 3rd line with less than creative centers and gets zero pp time. He is also 2nd on the team I'm drawing penalties per minute played. Fehr isn't a bust or a permanent fixture yet. It is undetermined.

Posted by: JSchon | June 2, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

agree w. JSchon and add that w/ his injury, he is a year behind in his trajectory.

Posted by: am_jim | June 2, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

kittypawz - There are a few of us who are also noodling a Saturday tailgate as well. :)

Posted by: CapsChick | June 2, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

JIMALLCAPS: I'm in agreement. I'm hoping they can get the UFA Sloan in at the $750K I put. Sometimes the under-the-radar UFAs like that are more cap-friendly than your arbitration-route RFAs. The one swap out that makes most sense, from my POV, is to repalce the "Jurcina or Schultz" at est $1.25M with a rugged type D-man at about $4M. That will fit. And if not a rugged type, I wouldn't mind a run at Bobby Oduya, who, unbelieveably, only makes $600K this year. Oduya is a very good positional defenseman. I'm inclined to go with current forwards plus Hershey promotions and then add a Kunitz or Guerin at the deadline (using a pick we get from trading Mo, Schultz and/or Jurcina).

Posted by: tominfl1 | June 2, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Matt23185:
Interesting points on the last thread regarding the applicability of the instigator in the last five penalty. Hard to argue with that logic. Of course if they just got rid of the darn thing (along with a few other choice penalties) we wouldn't have to worry about it! :-)

Posted by: Boo- | June 2, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

That said, I'm really worried that either Jurcina or Schultz, in arbitration, could easily get as much ($1.975M) that Mo got this past year. Even Fehr with the figures JSchon presents might argue and win between 1-1.5. A few nasty arbitration awards and the cap list I put above has far less than the $3M available room it projects. I really expect with Alzner and Carlson both very close, and Pothier back for a full season, that Mo (for sure) and either Jurcina or Schultz (maybe even all three) get moved either on draft day or in early Sept.

Posted by: tominfl1 | June 2, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Alzner better show me a lot more in camp next yr and in preseason before he gets the promotion. Carlson I can live with being up with the big club. Whatever alleged "poise and polish" he lacks that Alzner apparently has is more than made up for with his strength and energy at both ends of the ice. Alzner could stand to learn a few things from his underling.

Osala should definitely make the jump next yr and replace Kozlov on the offwing. Aucoin? Tough call, he's a little guy. Andrew Gordon is another dark horse candidate. He's the Bears best forechecker and he has speed and skill to go along with his tenacity. Pinizotto should also be looked upon as a 4th line callup.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 2, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I'm really hoping McPhee can repeat last year's strategem and move a player and a lower round pick (last year it was Eminger and a #3 to Philthy) for a #1 (Carlson). McPhee has a good track record of picks in the 20s, with not only Carlson, but Schultz, Green and Varlamov over the past few years. I would think that Mo is worth more than Emmy, and that Mo and a #3 could get you something in Round 1, 10-15th pick range.

Posted by: tominfl1 | June 2, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

We were up 2-0 on the 'guins as well if you all recall. Hate to say it but it is very unlikely there will be a sweep in the finals. I'd like nothing more to be prooven wrong ans have a sweep but I'm seeing a 4 games to 2 win by the Wings. Fingers crossed.

Posted by: jkim3 | June 2, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Wait...I know!!

Here's how both the NHL's interests AND those of real hockey fans can be served:

Just invent some new awards!


The Golden Violin Award: Awarded to the Player voted by NHL General Managers and Head Coaches as the biggest whiner.

The Tie Domi Trophy: Awarded to the Player voted by the NHLPA as the biggest cheap-shot artist (Regular Season and Playoffs combined).

The Don Cherry Award: Awarded to the Player who commits the most UN-penalized rules infractions (Regular Season and Playoffs combined).

(As is sometimes the case with the Maurice Richard and Art Ross trophies, it is expected that, from time to time, the same Player may win both the Tie Domi and Don Cherry trophies in the same season.)

In this way, Sid the Id is guaranteed to bring home SOME hardware every year--no matter what--for the rest of his career...thus leaving the REAL awards for the REAL stars (cough, OV, cough, cough, B├Ąckis, cough Syomen cough cough) to win.

Posted by: Rhino40 | June 2, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

There is absolutely no video evidence that Zetterberg closed his hand on the puck. In game 1 when it was on Osgoods back he pushed it off of his back away from the goal, totally legal. In game 2 he pushed it under Osgood. Players other than the goaltender can touch the puck, they just can't freeze or close their hand on the puck as Richmondphil eluded to. Just because Crosby gives his arrogant look to the officials because he can't believe the puck won't go in for him doesn't make it a rule violation. I watched the multiple replays for the crease plays both days (like we had a choice unless we went to the fridge) and I did not see Zetterberg close his hand, neither did the TV crew that would love to hand Crosby the Stanley Cup and the Conn Smythe.
____________________________________________

I don't want to really argue with this about you, but he did close his hand on the puck in Game 1. It is very obvious, and has nothing to do with anything but video evidence. Game 2 incident is questionable, but to deny he did that in Game 1 means you don't have any eyes.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 2, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and again fanofhock1, seems like you want to argue with me about something to make a petty point and attack Crosby again. Great job. Keep up the good work bashing Crosby...

Some of you are worse then Pen fans, I swear.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 2, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

And you also seem to not know the rules.

Even hand passes, IN THE CREASE, is illegal. So, lets say that Zetterberg didn't close his hands on the puck, it would not matter. You cannot do that in the crease. In the rules, it leads to a penalty shot. "Pushing it off the back of the goalie" is 100% illegal.

pointless Pens bashing is pointless...

Posted by: richmondphil | June 2, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I do have eyes, 20/20 in fact. Osgood was on his stomach, the puck landed right between his numbers, Zetterberg puck his hand on the puck (legal), Osgood then rolled away from the net (zetterberg probably told him to) then the puck fell on the other side of Osgood. In game 2, a safe assumption could have been that he kept the puck from going in, and it may have even crossed the goal line, but it couldn't be seen on the replay.

It's kind of ironic that some say we don't have players that are willing to sacrifice their body to win, and then Zetterberg is just as willing, if not more willing, to sacrifice his body to keep a goal from being scored.

IMO he didn't close his hand, in your's he did. No big deal, we disagree.

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 2, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Like I said, it doesn't matter if he closed his hand or not. You cannot do that in blue paint. Plain and simple.

Osgood didn't even know Z was there. He was telling Lebda to get the puck. GO read the post-game interviews.

I am failing to see your "irony". Do you have something to say to me? Something you want to bring up? I don't want our players covering the puck with his hand in the crease, sorry.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 2, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm still in depression mode - maybe I will come out of it July 1st.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | June 2, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

um, can we not turn this inot some petty arguement, phil? Really, I get enough of that elsewhere, I don't come here to read it. (and, yes, I'm calling you out and not fanhock1 because you've got that "I have superior knowledge and the rest of you peons don't" tone going on at the moment)

I can't believe Crosby got nominated for a leadership award! When I think of great leaders of hockey, the name Sidney Crosby doesn't exactly jump to mind.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

@lyle

Agreed. It'll help a little to see the Pens lose.

Posted by: mikebrady1 | June 2, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

@Richmondphil: You are absolutely wrong on that interpretation of the rule. http://www.nhl.com/rules/rule59.html "If a player, except a goalkeeper, while play is in progress, picks up the puck with his hand from the ice in the goal crease area, the play shall be stopped immediately and a penalty shot shall be awarded to the non-offending Team." That is the only reference to the crease in the NHL rule book.

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 2, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

LOL.

"There is absolutely no video evidence that Zetterberg closed his hand on the puck. In game 1 when it was on Osgoods back he pushed it off of his back away from the goal, totally legal. In game 2 he pushed it under Osgood. Players other than the goaltender can touch the puck, they just can't freeze or close their hand on the puck as Richmondphil eluded to. Just because Crosby gives his arrogant look to the officials because he can't believe the puck won't go in for him doesn't make it a rule violation. I watched the multiple replays for the crease plays both days (like we had a choice unless we went to the fridge) and I did not see Zetterberg close his hand, neither did the TV crew that would love to hand Crosby the Stanley Cup and the Conn Smythe."

Yeah, posting something like that in response to a small back-and-forth between me and Dave was totally not coming off as condescending or knowing it all.

You got me there!

Posted by: richmondphil | June 2, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

"Defending Zone - Play will not be stopped for any hand pass by players in their own defending zone. A hand pass in the defending zone is considered to have occurred when both the player making the pass and the player receiving the pass have both of their skates inside their defending zone."

and

"67.4 Penalty Shot - If a player, except a goalkeeper, while play is in progress, falls on the puck, holds the puck, picks up the puck, or gathers the puck into his body or hands from the ice in the goal crease area, the play shall be stopped immediately and a penalty shot shall be awarded to the non-offending team."

Direct from rulebook...looks to me like a player is allowed to swipe a puck off the goalie and it's completely legal.

Posted by: CapsKH | June 2, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Also, I was not calling you out. I said "some" say we have players that are not willing to sacrifice their body, which is a true statement. Again, we disagree on the Zetterberg play, no big deal.

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 2, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

That is definetely not the only rule or reference in the rulebook to this.


No defending player, except the goalkeeper, will be permitted to fall on the puck, hold the puck, pick up the puck, or gather the puck into the body or hands when the puck is within the goal crease. For infringement of this rule, play shall immediately be stopped and a penalty shot shall be ordered against the offending team, but no other penalty shall be given. The rule shall be interpreted so that a penalty shot will be awarded only when the puck is in the crease at the instant the offense occurs. However, in cases where the puck is outside the crease, Rule 63 may still apply and a minor penalty may be imposed, even though no penalty shot is awarded. The significant factor when determining whether or not a penalty shot is warranted is the location of the puck at the time it was held, grabbed or gathered into the body. If the puck is in the crease, penalty shot. If the puck is outside the crease and gathered into the body of a player (other than the goalkeeper) who is inside the crease, minor penalty).

Posted by: richmondphil | June 2, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

This makes me think of how the NFL provides rule interpretations after games (and will state whether a call was correctly or incorrectly made). Something like that would be nice in hockey.

Posted by: mikebrady1 | June 2, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

@fanhock, I know the All-Star suspension thing was a mess, but at least Crosby did show up in Montreal and was in the background. Datsyuk and Lidstrom didn't even go, had they been at the festivities I don't think they would have been suspended either.

Posted by: ds_kelly | June 2, 2009 11:57 AM


Crysby got a personal phone call from her boyfriend Bettman. The others were out of country, so apparently the NHL can't dial into europe with their phone plan.

Posted by: Greg S. | June 2, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"67.4 Penalty Shot - If a player, except a goalkeeper, while play is in progress, falls on the puck, holds the puck, picks up the puck, or gathers the puck into his body or hands from the ice in the goal crease area, the play shall be stopped immediately and a penalty shot shall be awarded to the non-offending team."

Direct from rulebook...looks to me like a player is allowed to swipe a puck off the goalie and it's completely legal.

Posted by: CapsKH | June 2, 2009 1:16 PM |

Do you know what a contradiction is?

That rule very clearly shows that what Zetterberg did was illegal. The back of Osgood was in the crease. He placed his hand over it and moved it outside the crease. Whether you want to make this a semantic issue and try to tell me that he only "swiped" or "pushed" the puck instead of covering it is your prerogative. But I don't see how Game 1 wasn't clear-cut in this.

It's not like the Pens would have won with the penalty shots anyway. They haven't been the better team in one period yet anyway.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 2, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

there's about 10 million versions fo the story going around. The most reliable one I heard was that the NHL called Ken Holland and told him that they weren't making idle threats and he betetr get his boys to Montreal all of 24-48 hours prior to the game. Both players had already left the country and Holland didn't feel it was fair to call them and force them to come back.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

This makes me think of how the NFL provides rule interpretations after games (and will state whether a call was correctly or incorrectly made). Something like that would be nice in hockey.

Posted by: mikebrady1 | June 2, 2009 1:25 PM |

It also shows how completely ambiguous and arbitrary the NHL rulebook is.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 2, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil & fanohock1, really what is the big deal with the one call? ruling was made, game is over, lets move on.

Posted by: superpaqman | June 2, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil: So I still say that Zetterberg push the puck off of Osgoods back, away from the net as Osgood rolled. IMO he didn't hold the puck, pick up the puck, or gather the puck into his body or hands. That's in game 1.

In Sunday's game, it seemed more likely that he violated the rules but once Crosby puts the puck back into the crease I don't see it again until after Osgood gets up. IMO it very well could have crossed the line and Zetterberg may have done all of the things listed above before it finally ending up under Osgood, but the puck isn't visible on the video and by the rule it can't be assumed to be over the goal line even if that's the only thing that makes sense.

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 2, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

It also shows how completely ambiguous and arbitrary the NHL rulebook is.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 2, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Totally agree with that statement richmondphil.

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 2, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil & fanohock1, really what is the big deal with the one call? ruling was made, game is over, lets move on.

Posted by: superpaqman | June 2, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Moving on...

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 2, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

For the love of little apples, people, not a day goes by that at least two people on here aren't picking on each other over something stupid. I can't wait for next season so you guys can turn all that pent-up energy on the players instead.

@cstanton1: I think to say that Carlson should be up with the big club is a little premature. He looks good in Hershey, but so does Alzner, generally.

Gordon's stats in Washington are very limited (0-0-0, +0, -33.3 5v5 Corsi in 1 GP), so I wouldn't jump on that one so fast. On the other hand, Chris Bourque (1-0-1, +0, 16.0 Corsi 5v5 in 8 GP) isn't tall, but he's built like a fireplug and plays with a ton of hustle at both ends of the ice. With a little more strength and bulk over the summer, he should be very stable on his skates, and he's got good enough hands to succeed at the NHL level.

Posted by: kittypawz | June 2, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I just think it was clear-cut in Game 1. He covered the puck, whether he closed his hand or not. You just cannot do that in the crease. If this happened against us, and was not called, I would be thirsting for blood. He covered the puck with his hand, if even just for a second...if even just until Osgood rolled over.


@kittypawz

Isn't bourque like 24? Seems he has already capped out for his size.


Posted by: richmondphil | June 2, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

kittypawz: Hey I resemble that remark. I know, hopefully the back to back games I am going to up in Hershey this weekend will scratch the hockey itch.

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 2, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Boruque is 23. He's shown up every year a little bigegr and stronger, so I wouldn't be surprised to see it again at the start of training camp.

I can't figure out how the organization sees him, though. He was the last forward cut this year, and largely because he was caught up in the numbers game. Yet he was used very sparingly when injuries took their toll.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil: In height yes. In bulk? I don't think so. He's never going to be tall, but that Corsi rating seems to suggest that he's reasonably effective anyway. I don't think he's had enough of a look yet to simply toss him out.

Posted by: kittypawz | June 2, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Kittypaws

"For the love of little apples..."

You mean like crabapples? I think they're just crabby...

Posted by: Greg S. | June 2, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

@richmond phil

If the puck is not on the blue portion of the ice, it's not in the crease, and a defending player may do a hand pass. You see defending players bat pucks like this all the team: it's not a penalty.

Also, the ref ruled that Osgood had frozen it (I think the ref lost sight of it), so the point is moot.

Posted by: btcg | June 2, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

@fanohock1: Hockey itch? Is that like jock itch? :D And if that's true, I hate to think of what this board'll be like in August. :)

But hey, for those folks going up to Hershey on Saturday, I'm noodling the idea of a little informal potluck tailgate party if I can get enough interest, but I need to do a little organizing. You interested?

Posted by: kittypawz | June 2, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

@Greg S: Maybe it's the hockey itch.

Posted by: kittypawz | June 2, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

@CapsFan75 (from previous post:
I am sitting on the edge of my seat hoping and hoping that Pavel Datsyuk gets well and back in the playoffs. Not that the team depends on him, but it is extra assurance. Why is he out for so long?


@richmondphil

Yes, I felt like the Wings were the better team and controlled most of the game, but couldn't articulate exactly why. Thanks for clarifying it for me.

I am real anxious about the game tonight. Let's see if the Wings maintain the momentum in Pens' territory.

It frustrates me that the Caps are not on the Wings' level yet. It seems it would not take much adding and tweaking, but putting the ingredients together into a winning team is another story. Really, what makes the Wings so consistently successful over the years?

Posted by: caraveli | June 2, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Tonight will be a good game. The Moose had a penalty shot to take a 4-1 lead last game. After missing that they just fell apart. They sort of fell apart even before that as their 2nd period was brutal. 15 turnovers compared to 4 in the 1st period. Decided to keep trying stretch passes instead of doing a proper breakout. I don't think anyone in Winnipeg was happy with their quality of play and expect it should be a pretty different team tonight.

Posted by: Stu_c | June 2, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Re Bourque:
It's hard for him to replicate his Hershey success in Washington because in Hershey he gets a ton of ice time, especially PP, whereas in Washington he was on a fourth line with limited ice time. I don't think his small stature inhibits him in the least. He skates fast and hits hard.

Posted by: tess2201 | June 2, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

@Rhino40: Maybe those new awards shouldn't be made of those heavy materials. They should be light and airy. Something maybe in toile, some silk, and have a nice, lavendar scent to it all. It'll coordinate better with Crosby's dress too.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | June 2, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

speaking of strange awards, did anyone else see the KHL awards?

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Here's your daily NHL player to KHL rumor:

It took a while for our super computers to translate, but the Czech website Deniksport.cz is reporting that Caps forward Michael Nylander and Carolina defenseman Frantisek Kaberle might jump ship to the KHL's Avangard Omsk this season.

"I heard this information, but it's premature to talk about anything," Kaberle's father told Deniksport (via Japers Rink). "I know he wants to remain in the NHL. But, of course, you can't discount anything from happening."

Both Nylander and Kaberle are players that their respective GMs want to unload through trades this offseason. Nylander will cost the Caps $4.875 million and Kaberle has been dangled as trade bait -- to no avail -- for the entire season.


Via ESPN

Posted by: Boomer80 | June 2, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm starting to wonder if the people in here are having a tougher time than the actual Caps learning to relax in the off-season. We need a Caps methadone clinic or something.

Re: Bourque

I love watching him play. He really just seems to go all out, he's like a little worker. Yea he's on the smaller side but I think he more than makes up for it. You don't have to be a giant like Chara to be effective. Like him, wouldn't mind seeing him in Caps gear next year. I think considering his work ethic we would see good results from him no matter how much play time he gets.

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Any thoughts to Komisarek on D? Doesn't roam away from home too much, isn't afraid of pushing guys into the 3rd row seats and will drop 'em. Could fill a need. He's UFA at $1.9 M, 6'4", 240 lbs, 27 yrs old. I don't think he'd break the bank, either.

Posted by: Greg S. | June 2, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

@RedBirdie
You mean the dragon that they gave out to the MVP?

Posted by: koalatek | June 2, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and another thing on Komisarek is that he was in the ASG this year - so he must be good, eh? ;)

Another possible is Kyle McLaren of SJS. He was supposed to be traded to Philly, but he didn't pass the physical (injured hand). We may be able to get him on the cheap since he was in the AHL most of this year (even at $2.5 M) because of cap reasons. He may jump at the possibility of playing with the Caps.

Posted by: Greg S. | June 2, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

yeah, Koalatek, that one!

Nylander-to-KHL popped up on JP's not a week ago, but I thought it was just fan speculation. Maybe some Czech paper took it as gospel and re-printed it?

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

It's really too bad that KHL rumor is from ESPN. That's about as reliable Bettman's interpretation of the NHL rulebook.

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

what, you means its as reliable as their "Mike Green Suspended" report?! And here thoguht ESPN's reporting was impeccable.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

@Greg S: Komisarek for ShaMo at an even cap-hit trade? Hrm. Could be interesting, depending on how long of a contract he wants.

Posted by: kittypawz | June 2, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

caraveli, and all...
I have wondered what it will take also. Would you say that SJ was that much better because of Todd Mclellan and the staff he brought in? (I think so, regardless of running into Anaheim) moving on...
Reading his bio: http://sharks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NHLPage&id=22654
it would seem he and BB share a similar history. I believe he will take SJ deeper this year than last.

So then if we take a look at the defensive coach Todd brought in: http://sharks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NHLPage&id=29013

I wonder if we need to bring a "western conference" mindset into the mix.

The reason I say that is because BB is a players coach, maybe we need a hard @$$ on D? (Mike Keane is available - j/k)

One last thing, Mike Babcock said yesterday, we don't rush our kids up (they play 2-3 years on their minor team) so that they can develop and gain confidence. That way they don't reach a ceiling early or we pay them a lot of money early. They can continue to contribute when they do get up and continue to improve. The one thing he specifically stated was "We teach them how to hit. It's the easiest thing we can do as coaches is to teach them down there so when they do get their chances up here they make an impact." umm...Darren Helm anyone?

I love BB and I know he can take us to the holy grail, but Babcock perennially and deservedly so is the best coach in the league. Maybe some additional pages from his book are needed to be read...

Posted by: caps28fan | June 2, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Komi's a UFA this summer. ShaMo is RFA*. We'd have to nego with either of them even if the trade when through. Still, I wouldn't mind being rid of ShaMo

Posted by: Greg S. | June 2, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

@Greg S: Frankly, at his cap hit, I think ShaMo's worth more to us for the draft picks.

Posted by: kittypawz | June 2, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

If ShaMo goes to arbitration and is awarded, say, 2.6 mil, do the Caps get compensation if they walk away from that? Or only if he is offered that by another team?

Posted by: GusDaMan | June 2, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

GusDaMan, I believe if Morrison were to get awarded compensation that the Caps felt was too high (for whatever reason), the Caps are welcome to walk away from it, but that means they then don't get any sort of compensation. I think it would then make ShaMo a UFA, but I'm a little sketchy on that point.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

So, apparently Malkin's questionable behavior wasn't just at the end of the game. Check out this piece on Malkin's pre-game antics, including slashing Chris Chelieos: http://www.japersrink.com/2009/6/2/896286/malkin-vs-brashear

You know, last time I checked, such things were punishiable with an automatic one game suspension.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Although I'm a huge Caps fan, I've seen the replays of both Zetterberg plays in the crease and it appers than the Pens got the short end of the stick in Game 1 for sure. In reading the rule as it is currently written, there should be no reason for a player to even try to make contact with his hand on a puck in the crease. That said, it appeared that Zetterberg attempted both times to stop or move the puck using his hand.

If either of these situation had occurred in Pittsburgh, I seriously wonder if the refs would have called a penalty shot. It seems to often in the playoffs that the refs are very biased to the home team which makes for some unevenly officated games.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 2, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't clear on my post. My bust.

If a trade were made ShaMo for Komi, we'd have to come to terms with Komi. Montreal would have to do the same with ShaMo, although they'd get picks if it didn't work out.

That's what I meant by "we'd" - the Caps and MON - would have to do a nego with them.

Poor wording.

Also, I wouldn't do a trade like that unless Komi was close to agreeing to terms with MON. That way, I'd be the only one talking to him until 7/1.

Posted by: Greg S. | June 2, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

RedBirdie

Only if your name's Brashear.

Posted by: Greg S. | June 2, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

hate when I make a type-o.. mike keenan

Posted by: caps28fan | June 2, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Anyone think that JayBo goes to Montreal now with Martin becoming their new coach?

Posted by: caps28fan | June 2, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"Although I'm a huge Caps fan, I've seen the replays of both Zetterberg plays in the crease and it appers than the Pens got the short end of the stick in Game 1 for sure." -Wiz

Honestly its about time they get ONE bad call (if you believe it was a bad call, I'm not even going to start that argument up again). The Red Wings were robbed of a goal this playoff season, and that was about a trillion times more absurd that Game 1's call. Intention to whistle my @$$.

The Pens should be thanking their lucky stars they even had Malkin. I totally missed his pregame tap, how he doesn't warrant some punishment for that interaction and Brash got a game suspension for the same thing, I just don't get it. Its like they are using a Ouija board make in Pittsburg to decide these things.

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

RedBirdie/Greg:

"You know, last time I checked, such things were punishable with an automatic one game suspension."

"Only if your name's Brashear."

That SO gets my goat ... >:-|

Posted by: Boo- | June 2, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Catching up on the day's chat and I've got a few random comments:
1) We have to offer ShaMo what he made last year in order for it to be a "qualifying offer". If you don't make a QO to ShaMo, he automatically becomes a UFA and can deal with whoever he wants. I'm not sure if you can get a pay cut through arbitration, but I don't think any judge in his right mind will award ShaMo more than he's making now, especially with the future state of the cap uncertain. I don't think any other club would extend an offer sheet on him, but who knows? So do you let him walk or take a chance and maybe hope someone does? I'm going to read up on player- and club-elected arbitration tonight to see at what case the Caps can walk away. My gut says one they can, one they can't, but I'll check.
2) Kittypawz/CapsChick, I'd be in. Email's jmu.capsgirl at gmail.
3) Big Os will be answering fan questions on theahl.com on Thursday. Questions can be submitted through a link here: http://theahl.com/headlines/index.html?article_id=10164

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | June 2, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Catching up on the day's chat and I've got a few random comments:
1) We have to offer ShaMo what he made last year in order for it to be a "qualifying offer". If you don't make a QO to ShaMo, he automatically becomes a UFA and can deal with whoever he wants. I'm not sure if you can get a pay cut through arbitration, but I don't think any judge in his right mind will award ShaMo more than he's making now, especially with the future state of the cap uncertain. I don't think any other club would extend an offer sheet on him, but who knows? So do you let him walk or take a chance and maybe hope someone does? I'm going to read up on player- and club-elected arbitration tonight to see at what case the Caps can walk away. My gut says one they can, one they can't, but I'll check.
2) Kittypawz/CapsChick, I'd be in. Email's jmu.capsgirl at gmail.
3) Big Os will be answering fan questions on theahl.com on Thursday. Questions can be submitted through a link here: http://theahl.com/headlines/index.html?article_id=10164

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | June 2, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Ugh, sorry. Even my computer hates the off-season.

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | June 2, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

With all this arguing about Zetterberg ..shouldnt of Malkin been suspended or miscounducted? At least with his jersey not being tied down? As Semin got a miscounduct against the Rangers?

Posted by: Blevinsand3 | June 2, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

@caps28fan:

You make some excellent points. The articles you sent also show how very specialized the members of a coaching team are and how coaching choices reflect long term strategy. I don't know who the Caps assistant coaches are (beyond their names) and I haven't heard anything about strategy in going forth--other than "all we need is a little fine tuning." This worries me. Should it? After all maybe coaches don't openly talk about their strategy.

Watching round 3 and now the finals is making me feel both happy at how close the Caps are to the top AND frustrated by the distance I see. For example, I see how teams can perform consistently without the huge lapses the Caps have (both within a game and in a season). And I see how deep, tough, aggressive and finely coordinated a team has to be to maintain dominance through -- not just 1 or 2 games, but at least 16 consecutive games (and possibly as many as 28) through 4 rounds of playoff games. And last but not least, I see the kind of goalie needed for such a long haul. When I look at the Caps from this perspective, I am very unsure about whether they have the skills, coaching and whatever other ingredient is needed to go all the way. I need some nuggets of hope here.

Posted by: caraveli | June 2, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

caraveli, Ovechkin's signed for another 12 seasons? Only 2 teams in the league have fewer NTC/NMCs than us (2)? And Nylanders expires after this season and Ovi's doesn't kick in for another five?

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | June 2, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Maybe those new awards shouldn't be made of those heavy materials. They should be light and airy. Something maybe in toile, some silk, and have a nice, lavendar scent to it all. It'll coordinate better with Crosby's dress too.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | June 2, 2009 3:04 PM

@LeftCoastCapsFan:

LOL.LOL.LOL.

I say Don "I Hate the Caps" McCreary" and that other guy (who's actual name I can't recall, but who's nickname should be " It's only a penalty if a Penguin fall/complains/fails to score/all of the above") should never ref again in the NHL.

Posted by: Rhino40 | June 2, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Kerry Frasier? Dan O'Halloran? Paul Devorski? (Koharski has retired, thank god)

hey, at least the Caps haven't been screwed by Brad "Intent to Whistle" Watson.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

I marvel at how Detroit does not seem to have the talent of Washington, yet they completely out play these other teams. All you need to do is watch one period to see their team work and determination

Posted by: SarahKate | June 2, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

I love the Caps, but the Wings are so obscenely talented its not even funny. Even their grinders have talent leaking out of every pore. They're talented, they're hyper-competitive, and they want to win so bad its all they think of. And for many for them, its not about winning for themselves, but winning for the organization that believed in them when no one else did and has shown them loyalty and support since the moment they were drafted.

(in that same vein, when Crosby thinks about winning the Cup, do you think he's thinking about himself or the Penguins? Yeah, I think the former, too)

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Caraveli,
I was not trying to present doom and gloom. Far from it and Quite to the contrary. Our offense can be as good as any other team or better when we finish maturing.

All I was trying to share was more of a point of view saying let's bring in a defensive specialist. Let's get 2 actually, send one down to Hershey also. You picked up on that point, thank you. Some defensive mastermind that could be had, and should. We have such depth right now in the organization on D. It will only serve us to focus on that for a while to counter balance our potent offense.

Teach our kids like Detroit does for a while. (And I do think that Alzner needs half of this year down in Hershey and Carlson needs this year and most of next) Begin to round ourselves out now. We know the 2 way game can still be exiting, heck make it a game what defensive core keeps the lowest sustained opposing team offense in their zone and use that as the hard hat number this year.

Detroit doesn't beat itself, they commit to their system and they just make sure you pay when you do screw up on yours. All is not lost, our core of talent and prospects are deeper than any in the East, only Detroit and Chicago are ones that worry me...but we must develop them properly

Posted by: caps28fan | June 2, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

what is Edzo smoking?! Malkin and Crosby putting forth the effort needed to win? huh?

Emmerick really needs to lay off whatever drugs he's doing, too. Jesus, that smile is terrifying.

Be the leopard seal, Red Wings!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

all that said, please for the love of all that is holy, Let the Wings sweep our most hated opponent.

Go Caps 09-10

Posted by: caps28fan | June 2, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

I see that Penguins fans are once again clothing challenged and need freebie to shirts to be color coordinated.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

oh, and now they guy who proved he has no class or integrity! (is it any wonder that the rest of the organization doesn't, either?)

What is with these commentators and the Captain Obvious comments?

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

RedBirdie: Hopefully they'll need those shirts later tonight to wipe away their tears.

Posted by: tess2201 | June 2, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Piitsburgh is desperate. They're sticking out Crosby, Malkin, Guerin, Gonchar, and Orpick at the same time.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

wow, Pittsburgh is jumping early on the face-off (surprise surprise)

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Per John Walton in the Bears pregame, both games Sat and Sun are close to sold out, so if you don't have tickets yet, don't procrastinate.

Posted by: tess2201 | June 2, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

stupid penguins.

ah well, karma will come back and bury the flightless, cheating floppers.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Hank Zetterberg, bringing sexy and Stanley Cups back to Detroit :)

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Grr! Wings down 1-zip. Wait, they came back from a 1-zip deficit yesterday. Go Wings, bury the Pens.

One of my co-workers (who normally likes the Caps but likes the Sabres better than the Caps but also like the Pens but supports the Caps more) was rooting for the Pens after the Caps were done. But says he'll switch his allegiance if Malkin repeats his antics from Sunday today.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Zetterberg wasted no time tying it up. Go Wings!

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Pens fans were staking out their lawn spots at 9 am?! well, ok, I guess when you have no jobs to go to.

wow, are you seeing these dirty hits by those classy Penguins?

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

made them pay....

Posted by: caps28fan | June 2, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Edzo is such a freaking homer. Complaining about every single slightest perceived infraction committed by the Wings, and not a single word about the outright dirty hits by the Fowl.

MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULE!

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

well, and apparently Pittsburgh's just going to outright cheat and use 6 skaters+goalie.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

6 me on the ice and no one called it for 20+ seconds... How do 4 refs miss that...along with the Detroit bench?

Posted by: caps28fan | June 2, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

6 men...i only wish 6 me's were able to be out playing hockey right now :)

Posted by: caps28fan | June 2, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

seriously, holding, after everything that hasn't been called?

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

another penalty?????????

Yeah, this isn't fixed or anything. the ref'ing is about as reliable as ESPN's reports on Greenie's suspension and Nyls to KHL.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

hmm, biased much are we Refs?

Posted by: caps28fan | June 2, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

jesus bettys......too many men then craig adams dove like he was freaking taking sniper fire.....keep helping them out bettman

Posted by: _stevo | June 2, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

how is there no call for close to 20 seconds with 6 guys on the ice???? I don't think the refs can count?? I think Bettman called down to the refs and said.....make sure Poopsburg wins.

Posted by: kyle_woodruff | June 2, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

What is 8" long & hangs in front of an **sho**?

gary bettman's tie!

Posted by: uncatim | June 2, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Giroux! Bears 1-0

Posted by: uncatim | June 2, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I feel my IQ dropping for each minute I watch these fools.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

damn giroux is tearing it up, he is like the polar opposite of crosby in the finals....go hershey

Posted by: _stevo | June 2, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

thinking back on the beginning scenes before the game started...Babcock was talking to Hossa for a few seconds...
Wonder what was said?

Babcock: Hey, ready for all the boo's?
Hossa: Yeah
Babcock: (insert next line here:)
Hossa: (insert response)
Babcock: ......
Hossa:....

You could tell Hank was annoyed with the guy questioning him during the intermission...(shut up little knat was the face he made while he walked off)

Posted by: caps28fan | June 2, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Kris Leetang looks like some crybaby EMO boy.

Wow, Versus, way to hide your glee at the fact that the too many men didn't get called.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

if Ovie was in the finals and had the non-existent production like Crosby and Malkin, they'd be all over him. I can't believe how blatant this favoritism is. They don't even try to hide it any more.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

1) LETS GO BEARS!
2) LETS GO RED WINGS!
3) Can we get Zetterberg? Seriously. That would be sweet.
4) DID THE PENS CALL THE LEAGUE TO CHANGE THE NUMBER OF PLAYERS ALLOWED ON THE ICE? The refs/NHL/Pens are taking away any credibility the NHL might have, this is just crazy how often they have been wrong this playoff season.

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

RedBirdie:
"I see that Penguins fans are once again clothing challenged and need freebie to shirts to be color coordinated."

HA!! That has always cracked me up - with them and Philly. Are Caps fans the only ones who are willing to pony up for red gear? And the whole white thing at home?!? Silly Pens fans.

Posted by: --Boo-- | June 2, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Calgary used to do "Red Outs" (they probably still do) but I don't know if it was something that spontaneously started with their fans all showing up in red, like in Washington, if the team requested everyone wear red and everyone did, or they handed out red shirts at the gate.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

get back to the farm kennedy...you look like a stuck pig

Posted by: _stevo | June 2, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Cooke's hit on Kronwall looked like borderline boarding.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

The "C" of Red. I think they might have been the team that started the trend of "[color] outs".

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | June 2, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Trying to catch up on the responces. It's rumored that Komisarek it looking in the 4-5 million $ range. He is rumored to be going to toronto too, as far as rumors go.He would be a great fit here, perfect type of player we need.

Posted by: Capsfannmiss | June 2, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

re: free shirts

HA! TELL ME ABOUT IT! As if people at home dont have a WHITE SHIRT. It's really just that they can't be trusted to remember to bring it, that level of dedication could never happen... oh except in DC. What posers.

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

does anyone find it hilarious that all these pittsburgh homers are crying about the springy boards in Detroit? The Igloo had the more notorious bouncy boards in all of hockey in the 1990s.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

damn that post!

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

RedBirdie...
not sure how accurate this is, but check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calgary_Flames

Check out The red mile and the "C" of Red.

Posted by: caps28fan | June 2, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

jesus EDDIE O... give samuelson some credit... he hit the post....fleury was not in the reason he missed

Posted by: _stevo | June 2, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

As per previous post, they need to wear white so the stain will show up:

Looks like science has confirmed how most follow the Pens:

http://news.aol.com/article/penguin-poop/508025

As Caps fans, we already knew this.

Let's Go Red Wings!

Posted by: btcg | June 2, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: uncatim | June 2, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

BTW- I love how the versus commentators went on and on about how the Pens fans stayed silent about the 6 men, and therefore helped their team.

Um. Aren't refs supposed to do their job without being told by the fans whats going on? I. just. dont. understand.

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

thanks, caps28fan! Sounds like something fans started doing that a smart marketing department latched on to and promotes.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

mrszilla, didn't you see the new NHL rule? Refs are to only call penalties when requested by the Penguins bench or fans. If an infraction is committed by the Penguins, refs are only to call it if requested by Pens fans or bench. As the Penguins bench and fans would never actually want a penalty called against them, no penalties shall be called against the Penguins.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

good god, they're interview Tavers (or however its spelled) and they still managed to bring up crosby.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

um, last time I checked, tackling wasn't allowed in hockey. Did I miss a rule change?

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

mrszilla, didn't you see the new NHL rule? Refs are to only call penalties when requested by the Penguins bench or fans. If an infraction is committed by the Penguins, refs are only to call it if requested by Pens fans or bench. As the Penguins bench and fans would never actually want a penalty called against them, no penalties shall be called against the Penguins.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

I knew I was missing something! Thanks for the clarification!

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

um, last time I checked, tackling wasn't allowed in hockey. Did I miss a rule change?

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Bettman and Campbell are rewriting the rules by the minute, we'll all get the memo after each game explaining why we can barely recognize the sport anymore.

Aside from the blatant biases, this is a very exciting game to watch.

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how much of the Penguins operating budget is devoted to paying USA Diving for those excellent lessons?

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

no worries, like I said have no idea how reliable Wilipedia is, but Randy Pausch didn't bash it and he was way smarter than I.

Posted by: caps28fan | June 2, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

the refs seem to be very conveniently positioned to always make life extra difficult for the Wings.

Nothing as bad as the open ice tackle made on Morrison (by Brad "Intent to Whistle" Watson, so less) a while back, but still noticeable.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Tavares already looks older than Kane and Crosby.

Refs continue to amaze me...

Posted by: richmondphil | June 2, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

round of applause for the refs....you called your 5th penalty in 3 games against the pens

Posted by: _stevo | June 2, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Bears give one up on PK. 1-1 7:59 left in 2nd

Posted by: uncatim | June 2, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Bears can't stay out of box. Another PK.

Posted by: uncatim | June 2, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

wings are just getting mugged, constantly.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Red- At least its Detroit, maybe they're used to it?

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

That is funny.

Posted by: uncatim | June 2, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I hope the Wings can do something against the Eudyptulae in Period 3. Note: Eudyptala is a genus of penguin that translates to "good little diver". (So that's the scientific classification of Crosby and company.)

Period 2 looked like Detroit had jillions of shots on goal and nada.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

In the department of coincidences, I had gone out to the store about an hour ago and ran into some acquaintances of mine. (My elder daughter had taken piano lessons with the same instructor as their sons.) I recalled that the younger son was a few months younger than my daughter and that his birthday was in September but couldn't remember the exact date. So, I asked them to refresh my memory. So, guess when his date of birth turns out to be -- the same as Ovi's. No kidding!

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

@uncatim

What's funny?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

capsfan75, that's awesome...and their little blue penguins or called fairy penguins to boot!!!

Posted by: caps28fan | June 2, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

oh, poor widdle Sregei Gonchar, his poor widdle knee is still hurwing because of big mean Ovechkin.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

@caps28fan

Yes, fairy penguins and little blue penguins are species of Eudyptula.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Muggings in Detroit. I think my Gary Bettman joke is funny too (I've been telling it for years) but I might be the only one.

Posted by: uncatim | June 2, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

@RedBirdie

I'm sure that if the Pens lose the series, the Pens and their fans will blame it on Ovi injuring Gonchar's knee.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Bears 1-1 end of 2nd.

Posted by: uncatim | June 2, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

@RedBirdie

I'm sure that if the Pens lose the series, the Pens and their fans will blame it on Ovi injuring Gonchar's knee.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Oh man, I wish Ovie was to blame. That would be awesome, a small personal win!

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

@uncatim

You're obviously not the only person who saw that article, the one that AOL said that scientists track Penguins based on their excrement.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Why in the heck does Gil get away with the pre-lockout interference every time a Red Wing player dumps the puck. He doesn't even try to mask it. Call the damn interference. Gil is a UFA I believe, I hope to GOD we do not go after him. The ONLY reason his slow @$$ isn't in the box is because he's a Penguin. He dons a Cap jersey it's minor penalty city.

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 2, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

ooh, Messier, I wonder if he'll cry.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

well, there's almost no way that the Pens can possibly resign Gill unless he takes a serious pay cut. Not that I want to see him as a Cap, but every time I look up the Penguins payroll situation, I laugh a little.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm seriously thinking of writing a science fiction story where a landing party lands on an antarctic like world and encounter a hostile race of intelligent Penguins. I plan to name one of these Penguins 'Bropik' in honor of guess who.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

If Cindy was up for an award named after me I would cry like a... well I'd cry like Cindy.

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Come on, Wings! Please score! Don't let Fleury look like Brodeur or Patrick Roy at their best!

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

oh, imagine that, a highly illegal and very very dangerous by Kunitz.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

my lights are flickering. If I lose power, good god, I'm gonna be seriously upset.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

I know this is a strange comment. But the Red Wings logo with wings on a wheel makes me think of the classic rock song that goes "Wheel in the sky keeps on turning...." That song is running through my head at the moment.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

If I hear the VS Announcers again announce that Pittsburgh is getting lucky with these calls...I might just lose it. You don't get lucky that many times in a game......

Posted by: kyle_woodruff | June 2, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Kunitz with a solid cross-check to Franzen's ear.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 2, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

lucky, if we redefine lucky as getting blatant help from the refs

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

And, of course, the refs don't call a penalty on that weasel.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

I have a terrible feeling that the Penguins are going to play reallydirty the rest of this game in hopes of causing injuries to the Wings. And of course they'll get away with it.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

what sort of BS penalty is that?

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I dont remember who said they wanted the Caps to look at Kunitz for our team.
A) No. Not. Interested.
B) If he does I say Varly gets a free shot to his nuts with his choice of hockey equipment.

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

WOW now they are going to call an interference penalty???????

Posted by: kyle_woodruff | June 2, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

@RedBirdie

They'll get blatant at the end of the game and then the refs will finally call something.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Pens are you on the powerplay. Shock and awe.

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

whata cheapy call

Posted by: _stevo | June 2, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

And now Erickson has to go to the box for Detroit. Just what we need. Detroit on PK.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

wow, Babcock's going to FLIP after the game.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

And they score. Glad at least Bettman will get to sleep soundly tonight.

Think the Red Wings will at least get one more PP to "even things up"? I'm assuming no but hey a girl can dream.

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Weak goal on a weak call. How am I not surprised?

Posted by: Desu | June 2, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

And now Pitt scored. It's the pitts. Note: Erickson was born the day before Semin. (Hasn't played as many games as Semin, though.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

The Pens got two goals on complete BS calls. I mean, if they win, they didn't deserve to, not with those BS penalties and the complete lack of call on the 20 seconds with 6 skaters on the ice. The refs did everything in their power to make sure the Pens got their chances.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

wow, Babcock's going to FLIP after the game.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

CANNOT WAIT! Hope he really goes off.

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Tim:
You are ALWAYS funny!! ;-)

CapsFan75:
Thank you for not only putting that song in my head now, but whenever I see that logo in the future ... :-P

Posted by: --Boo-- | June 2, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

another quickie fact about Ericsson: he was the LAST pick of the 2002 draft, #291. simply stunning.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

God, Detroit's looking like the Caps!

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't like blaming officials, and I'm not going to do it here. But I'm still perplexed as to why the refs really don't call the Pens for many penalties. This was not that disciplined a team during the regular season, then all of sudden they are in the playoffs. I don't think so. So far, the refs have missed at least three calls I've seen: too many men on the ice (blatant), a dive on what was called a trip and a cross check to the face from Kunitz. Refs have to do better. I don't think there's some conspiracy, but it is confusing as to why the Pens stuff isn't called, but the refs call a cheapie trip and interference on the Wings.

Posted by: CDon | June 2, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

@mrszilla

If Babcock flips, I hope it doesn't earn him a suspension.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

nah, Babcock flips out in the angry but under control but might snap and any moment of kill you with his bare hands way in his pressers. He's fabulous.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

@CDon

I've been wondering that myself. During the regular season, the Pens and Caps had about the same number of penalties. While in post season, the Caps were called for twice as many penalties.

And, during the regular season, Detroit was a very disciplined team, more so than Pitt and Washington. And now....

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

nother tackle goes uncalled.....

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

And, during the regular season, Detroit was a very disciplined team, more so than Pitt and Washington. And now....

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

And wasn't Carolina one of the least-penalized teams in the regular season? Funny how once they were up against the Penguins they were SUDDENLY UNDISCIPLINED.

Posted by: Desu | June 2, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Bettman wants his longer series. And why does he love the Pens so much?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

thing is, I don't think detroit and Carolina were/are any less disciplined in the playoffs. I just thing they're playing a certain team who seemingly never gets penalties called against them in Bettman's Quest to get Crosby the Cup By Any Means.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

The Wings have not looked too good this period. I hope they have better luck than the Caps did in Round 2. God, I don't want a repeat of that fiasco.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Crosscheck to Hossa that wasn't called. Ridiculous. But as someone else mentioned, as well, the Wings look more like the Caps in this game. They're not that sharp tonight with their passing as they enter the offensive zone. Their PK is playing weak at the top, as the forwards circle away from the guy shooting from the point. They're making stupid passes in the defensive end. The Red Wings are owed at least one more PP chance, but it ain't coming, that's for sure. I was hoping Detroit would lock this thing up after tonight. But a loss in Game 3 will most likely only energize the Wings for Game 4.

Posted by: CDon | June 2, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

that missed too many men call..... The NHL is going to have to explain how that was missed, and publicly.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

UGH. This whole thing just irks me beyond belief. It was much better for my mental sanity when I basically stopped watching once the Caps were out of the playoffs (so basically I wouldn't watch any). Now that I care I'm just as upset that the Red Wings are being robbed, otherwise I'd be calm and happy.

I of course would watch some but can everyone agree this has been one of the worst years for calls?

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

whata joke this series is......how the hell is malkin even playing?

Posted by: _stevo | June 2, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Pens fans, the entire organization, and the TV crew must be collectively sucking off Bettman and the refs to get this outcome. Completely unacceptable.

I feel like throwing stuff.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Boo: Thanks.


That is a drag. I didn't want pgh to get swept in 4, I wanted them to capitulate after 3.

Posted by: uncatim | June 2, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

@CDon

I hope you're right in that the Wings will be more energized in Game 4. But that's what I thought about the Caps.

And now an empty net goal for Pitt.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

exactly, _stevo. Malkin shouldn't even be out there. Kunitz should have been penalized for that headhunting crosscheck. The Pens should ahve been penalized for too many men. Eddie O should be thrown off a bridge. Bettman should be shipped to a Burmese prison.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

pens fan should be happy.....they barely beat a team without their beat player (datsuyk), like beathing the caps without ovie

Posted by: _stevo | June 2, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Figured this wouldn't be a sweep, but I really hoped it wouldn't be the refs who would make the difference. Think the Red Wings momentum and confidence just ended up crushed, they did end up playing like the Caps when we are in a panic. Not good.

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I bet all the coverage will be wildly celebratory about the Penguins while pointedly avoiding any discussion of the obvious missed calls, one of which could have caused serious injury.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Bears are still tied, with like 6 to go in the third. Wish I could watch!

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Pens still have not outplayed the Wings in 1 period.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 2, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

@RedBirdie

Why do the refs love the Pens so much? Ignoring 6 men on the ice and a cross check. (Come to think of it, Pitt has more men on the ice than Detroit. We need to count the refs in that total.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

the refs love the Pens because Bettman signs their paychecks.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

@ mrszilla

I hope the Wings are crushed -- only for this game and do better tomorrow.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Amen to basically everything people have said. Guess versus isn't playing post game commentary... guess I'll have to see on here/youtube if the wings coach does in fact flip...

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse


Nothing like Ericcson being the Semin of Detroit. Okay, he plays defense and not forward and is Swedish instead of Russian.

Of course, I seem to like guys like Semin for some reason. I guess I'm a sucker for hard luck cases.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Will Pavel be back tomorrow? Or will it wait until Game 5. Please come back, Pasha, where ever you are. And be healthy. (We don't want Pavel looking like Oisk and Poti did in our series.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

anyone got a bears update?

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Whoops! I screwed up. The next Wings-Pens game is not tomorrow.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Babcock won't flip, but there will be cleverly disguised overtly obvious jabs.

Posted by: caps28fan | June 2, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Bears game is still tied... 1 min left in the 3rd....

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Last I head, Pasha keeps trying to practice, but doesn't last very long. He's in a boot off the ice :(

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

um. jk. website just loaded. now 2-1 Moose. damn. like 47 sec left

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

moose just went up 2-1 with less than a minute to go

Posted by: uncatim | June 2, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Manitobe 2 Bears 1 with :47 seconds left

Posted by: caps28fan | June 2, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

At least the baseball news is better. Nats came from behind to win. O's are winning. (And, although I'm probably the only St. Louis Cardinal fan here -- they won.) Okay, there's one cloud -- the @#@#@# Yankees won.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

um, so looking for silver lining......

at least the Nationals won?

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Not a great night for us in here. Might have to pretend I don't remember when the next games are... its bad enough reading about bad calls, watching a whole game of missed goals and refs twiddling their thumbs... I'm not sure how much more I can take this year.

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

The orioles are losing to Seattle, 2-0 in the top of the 3rd.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

neuvy pulled, Moose 3, bears 1

Posted by: caps28fan | June 2, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

@RedBirdie

Where'd you learn that Pasha wears a boot off the ice? I bet his foot is broken. Do you?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Baseball provides no silver lining for me. Yuck.

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

WOW. Moose 3-1. Ok, im done. Catch you all later.

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

3-1 moose final
misconduct Bourque

Posted by: uncatim | June 2, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

And 3-1 with a hat trick. Ugh.

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

CapsFan75, some wings blog had it (can't recall which). Pasha took a puck off the foot, so I figure break or bone bruise is a good guess.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 2, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

@RedBirdie

Oops, I misread the box score. (I was so happy to see the Nats and Cardinals on top that I goofed.) Okay, on the baseball front, I'm doing well in the National League; lousy in the American League (O's losing and Yankees winning).

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

wtf? First, they don't suspend Malkin though he broke two rules that previously resulted in suspensions. Then, they let the period go on long enough without making a call, just to nail Detroit with a soft call and hand the lead over to the Pens. Are we really seeing this? Is this a joke? This can be justified? I'm confused.

Posted by: oo7 | June 2, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Was Pasha injured worse than our guys (Oisk and Poti) who actually played, with Oisk missing one (or two) games and Poti not missing any?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I guess calling up the Hershey guys won't help us in the discipline department (except Alzner). Bourque's worse for getting penalized than our current people.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

@mrszilla

I must admit this year is the least I've gotten fired up about baseball since the Nats and O's are both so bad.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm one of those few Americans who wishes Hockey was our national sport. Nothing about baseball fires me up (and yes I've been to live games, Yankee stadium, Fenway, Baltimore. I've tried it with beer and without. Nothing works).

Crashing, gnight my fellow hockey-obsessed individuals. Catch you all later.

Posted by: mrszilla | June 2, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Good night, Mrs Zilla. Sleep tight.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Truly a bad day at black rock -- on the hockey front. Bears lose at the VERY end and the Wings lose on a costly penalty.

Ericcson has earned his pay in previous games of this series (as did his counterpart on the Caps).

If Ericcson were a Cap, he'd probably be getting bashed on the boards a lot. (This the same guy that came back so soon from appendicitis.) And, of course, I like the guy.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 2, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Ok, what the hell. 3 HUGE calls missed today against the PENS-

1. 6 men on the ice for over 20 seconds

2. High cross check to Franzen's heand by that p-o-sht Kunitz

3. Late in 3rd, I think Orpick, cross checked Hossa from behind and he went right into the boards head first.

0-3. I just don't want to believe there is a conspiracy. Maybe they totally missed the too many men, but the Kunits hit on franzen, and cross check on Hossa, one of those HAS to be called.

Posted by: floms | June 2, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Still not that strong a game by the Moose but they somehow managed to pull it off. Still waiting for them to get going in this series and stop making bad decisions with the puck and turning it over. Hope it goes to 6 so I can catch the next game.

Posted by: Stu_c | June 2, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Let's go Hershey!

Role call for Saturday's game.

Section 109 in the house!

Posted by: ejohnsto | June 3, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Aucoin is also making a strong case for 2nd line center

I don't understand the fascination with having midgets be our centers. Have we not seen what the big bad penz did to us & carolina?

Posted by: Rocc00 | June 3, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only 1 who thinks that Neuvirth is the real answer is if Varly can't take the pressure?

Posted by: Rocc00 | June 3, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

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