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Morning Reading List: Bears Celebrate No. 10


(Chris Knight - The Patriot-News)


In case you hadn't heard, the Hershey Bears won an AHL-record 10th Calder Cup Friday against the Manitoba Moose, closing out an exciting series.

"You look at the buildings, the media, the atmosphere," Bears Coach Bob Woods told the Patriot-News' Tim Leone. "It had all the makings of a great series. It was almost like you were glad it was over but you were sad it was over because it was a lot of fun to be a part of it."

Check out a photo gallery from the Bears' homecoming here.

Check out highlights of the victory here.

Majority owner Ted Leonsis asks, what does the Penguins' Stanley Cup victory mean to the Capitals?

And here is my answer: It means absolutely nothing to us. This year's version of the Penguins was the best team in the NHL. They proved it outright and they deserved to win the championship. That we played them well in our playoff 7 game series offers me zero solace. We lost and they won. Next slide. There is no consolation prize in sports. We don't get graded on efforts just on outcomes. We want to win a Stanley Cup. We didn't get it done. The Penguins won the Cup and deservedly so.

The big winner (other than Pittsburgh) in the Stanley Cup finals Friday night was NBC. From the New York Times:

NBC's Game 7 Red Wings-Penguins broadcast easily topped the U.S. overnight figures for Friday night, averaging an estimated 7.51 million viewers nationwide. The biggest audience, an estimated 9.07 million, tuned in to watch the end of the game and the victorious Penguins lift the Stanley Cup.

By Lindsay Applebaum  |  June 15, 2009; 8:50 AM ET
 
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Comments

GO BEARS!!! :-D

Mark:
I responded to you on the previous thread. :-)

Posted by: --Boo-- | June 15, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Nothing left to do but wait & ruminate.
Congratulations Bears & Stingrays!
Sigh.
When is development camp?

Posted by: uncatim | June 15, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

uncatim, Cheer up! The draft is only two weeks away!!!

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | June 15, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Just out of curiosity, has it ever happened before where both the ECHL and AHL affiliate of an NHL won their respective championships in the same season?

Posted by: geauxcaps | June 15, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

NHL awards is thursday.
GO OVIE!!!!!

Posted by: majiksea | June 15, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

9.07 million saw Crosby chump an all around winner in Nik Lindstrom and not shake hands..

Posted by: SA-Town | June 15, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Good quote from Ted.

Posted by: superpaqman | June 15, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I'd shake Nik Lidstrom's hand even as he was exiting the men's room, I have so much respect for him.

Posted by: thiazzi | June 15, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Those that had a negative opinion of Crosby, and you gotta know that is a huge number, have even more reason to dislike the guy after Friday night. Bettman marketed him and pushed him as the face of the league and he now has the cup. But, Crosby will be remembered by many of us as the guy that was immature enough to not show respect to one of the great traditions in hockey, the handshake line that sets our sports playoffs apart from any other sport. He will be remembered for complaining about how long the hats in Ovie's hat trick celebration took. He will be remembered for jumping a defenseless guy in a faceoff, and for attacking another from behind and nut-punching him. Real nice face of the NHL.

I don't know how he could have been overlooked for the Conn Smythe trophy.

Posted by: _Mark | June 15, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

From the PennLive article cited above:

Woods is expected to be a candidate for an assistant coaching job with the Washington Capitals, but he declined to comment on the matter. Neuvirth faced 633 shots in the playoffs and stopped 590 of them (.932).

I like Woodsie, but I'm not sure I want him here instead of Hershey. He did play Defense, so it would be a logical choice. Also, he knows most of the players, and certainly knows the system. He may be more valuable in the AHL grooming prospects than working in DC.

And bless our stars! Looks like we have goalies for a change!

Posted by: Greg S. | June 15, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

_Mark, agree. He's an astonishingly gifted player who consistently ruins whatever goodwill people may have towards him by his immature and self centered attitude, displayed on and off the ice. His attempts at spinning events to make him look like the good guy (for example, the tussle between him and Ovie in DC in February) and generally refusing to acknowledge the achievements of others (too many to list!) make him look like a third rate politician who need a better PR firm.

I think when Mike Milbury called that one guy "a self centered little dink" he really meant it about Crosby.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 15, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone look at the Yahoo Sports article about the pens winning. The article isnt all that great but the comments are. You know its bad when Pens fans are talking trash to people about not having jobs. What a worthless city.

Also, I hope it means something to Ted. Cause we need some speed and defense to compete. Otherwise we are right back where we are now.

Posted by: CapsFan44 | June 15, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I turned off the TV the nanosecond that the horn sounded (and then threw the remote across the room). Did Crosby really not shake hands?!?!?

Posted by: Baildog | June 15, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

In all seriousness, the NHL has a real problem on its hands. It's designated golden boy has proven to be a) not as good as advertised and clearly not even the best player on his team, b) a whining, self absorbed punk, c) someone with absolutely zero personality d) someone who seems to be universally despised by fans outside of Pittsburgh and disrespected by players around the league. Crosby's actions in not shaking hands were just the latest sign of his immaturity and self absorbtion. Do I think that he intended to snub the Red Wings? No. But I think that he was so full of himself that he didn't even think about it. Time for the NHL to find a new golden boy.

Posted by: dcsportsdude | June 15, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

woo Go bears! awesome job. they are all such a great group of guys. check out photos from the celebration at Ginat Center

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/album.php?aid=2027113&id=64200489

http://www.facebook.com/s.php?q=molly&init=q&sid=0#/album.php?aid=271279&id=684080633&ref=mf

can't wait for development camp, a lot of these guys can earn a spot. amazing!

I'm leaving tomorrow for vegas for the awards show, woo Go ovie!!!

Posted by: capsfan387 | June 15, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

The TV ratings news is absolutely awesome. Who the heck cares about who was playing. A hockey game winning the prime time ratings battle is HUGE. The sport is definitely on the way up in this country. The evidence is becoming overwhelming.

Posted by: blackandred777 | June 15, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Baildog,
Some of the Penguins were still celebrating when the handshakes started. Crosby wandered in to line after some of the Red Wings had already gone through, tired of waiting for the chosen one, and headed off the ice.

Posted by: _Mark | June 15, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I don't know how he could have been overlooked for the Conn Smythe trophy.

Posted by: _Mark

He was overlooked because the Conn Smythe went to the player that had a mandatory suspension -- that the NHL rescinded because they couldn't "take the best player off the ice in the finals."

I don't care what rules we play under, so long as the rules are known and enforced equally. The ice wasn't a level playing field. Brash gets a 1-game suspension for touching a Ranger before the game and Malkin gets nothing for whaling on a Red Wing after the horn blows. If Bettman shows up for another ice talk next season, I am definitely asking him to explain that one to me.

Ted, I respect and admire you so very much, but I must respectfully disagree with part of your assessment: Yes, the Pens win means nothing to us (except that it will be sweeter to take it from them next year), but the better team did not win. After the show they put on, I now call them the Piguins. They have no honor and will go after a win at any cost, rules be damned. Detroit is the better team. They didn't win, but they are a better team. I understand why you have to say what you did, but that's putting lipstick on a pig.

I used to think the saying "NBC=Nobody But Crosby" was overboard, but I have to rethink that now.

Posted by: bubblegirl1 | June 15, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

That's unfortunate to hear that even to the end, Crosby doesn't get any credit for being a selfless hockey player, who exemplifies the best of humanity and sportsmanship, to which all of our children should aspire to possess. Oh, oops, that's right. He's none of the above. Never mind.

For this year, the winner of the Stanley Cup is inconsequential. Irrelevant. It's the year that showed that even hockey could be as scripted as wrestling. At least in wrestling, there isn't a lot of whining. Though, they do use tights and the occasional splatter of glitter and sequins. Might be something Crosby and maybe even Avery might be interested in...

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | June 15, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

My utmost apologies for not sending my congratulations to the Hershey Bears and the South Carolina Stingrays for their Cup wins. They did us all proud and makes me hopeful that our Stanley Cup dreams are within the next couple of years.

Good luck to Ovi and Green on Thursday's NHL Awards!

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | June 15, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Are the trolls finally gone around here?

I'm with you, bubblegirl and leftcoast; The only way for the penguins to lose was to implode. The refs made sure they were always in the game, except for the 5-0 debacle, and even then nothing for 'message sending' which just simply 'won't be tolerated'. Its BS.

Posted by: oo7 | June 15, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I know many people are joking about conspiracy theories and such (and I'm one of them) but the NHL keeps making it more and more difficult to regard it as a joke.

Rules of the game were picked and chosen randomly depending on the situation and the officiating was inconsistent at best.

The Pens are obviously a talented team but anyone who sits there and says they were not helped along the way (on purpose or not) has not been watching the playoffs.

There is a consolation prize however. Fans really hate when other people question ligitimacy of a championship (see Patriots, New England) which is what I plan to do whenever I come across a Pens fan. It's not much but it's something.

Posted by: Moose33 | June 15, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Greg S -

You do realize Woods was Bruce's assistant in Hershey, right? Hence, him being a logical candidate. They won a Calder their first year together. They know how to work with each other, and Bruce is obviously comfortable with him. I'm not saying hand the guy that job, but I do agree that he's a pretty strong candidate considering that the last head coach he worked under was Boudreau, and that he's got the ring to prove it.

Posted by: OverTheBoards | June 15, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Those are some great shots of the celebration at Giant Center. Congrats Bears. My entire family had a great time up in Hershey hanging out together and going to last week's games. Hershey fans are a fun group, enjoy the championship.

I was encouraged by Ted's response. Maybe I am interpreting his response wrong but IMO he is saying he doesn't care that we only lost 4-3 to the eventual SC Champion, ownership and management will work together to get US there next season. Sounds to me like someone wants to win a championship rather than just sell tickets. He's already accomplished the selling of the tickets piece because the last I heard, from Ted during his chat session, is that the season tickets are basically sold out and about 2,000 tickets are being held for availability to non season ticket holders.

As fans we've been going back and forth, some of you with great Cap ($) information, some of us with information that has had holes punched in it (namely me), but what it boils down to is we are fans that really want more. We want to finally be able to respond to a Rangers, Flyers, or Pens fan when they ask how many SC's our Caps have won rather than just have to suck in a "F" you word back in. Finally want to stop having to defend our beloved Capitals from being ridiculed by hometown fans that have too often tasted defeat and have become understandably pessimistic. Many here are tired of hearing that the Caps will choke, and have choked again. Some here are brand new fans to hockey, or have returned because the Caps are exciting, and both are cool to have around.

I guess now we just sit back and see if Ovi can pull another Hart and/or Pearsson, and if Green can be the first Caps Norris trophy winner since the legendary Rod Langway. As for next season and the trade deadline, I am sure that GMGM is busy as heck trying to sort out Feds, Koz, and Brash, once and for all and shopping Theodore and Nylander as much as he can, to insure we have an even better Caps team on the ice next season.

There are some Bears that will be given their shot with us, or maybe even part of a trade to be given a shot on another NHL squad. It will be fun to shoot over to Kettler to watch all the Camps.

I am as guilty as the next one as far as getting my panties in a knot arguing with fellow Caps fans. Besides the trolls, and we pretty much know who they are by now, we are all Caps fans in here and are all welcome to our own opinions. We (I) need to remember that. Have a great summer fellow Caps fans.

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 15, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I was actually on a cruise to Bermuda the past week, so I missed games 6 and 7. During game 7, about 20 or so Penguins fans were huddled around a computer at the internet café on the ship watching the game. When I had the nerve to go up and ask what the score was, someone identified me as “The Capitals Fan” (I had been wearing Caps gear around the ship for a couple days of the cruise), so one of them gets in my face, and crosses their arms like a tough guy. So, I said whatever and walked away. Why would they need to be pricks when everyone is on vacation, trying to have a good time?

I think one of reasons that the Pens are so universally despised is that the lack of class extends not just from the team, but all the way down to their fans.

Posted by: TwoBuckChuck | June 15, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I was going to come and gloat, but it isn't even worth it. You all are still complining about the refs. As the 2 seed you were taken to two game 7s, and last year as the 3 seed a game 7. Beat the lower seeds and move on, or just keep being soft, complain about the calls and let the entire series be played in your end. Get Green off D, since he isn't one (it isn't surprising that both the Rangers and Penguins focused on him), and get someone other than Ovie to hit someone.
But keep complaining about refs and spouting about conspiracies is easier so keep doing it. Washington fans are known for doing it best!

Leftcoastcapsfan: name-calling went out of style in third grade, so grow up. Although if I still lived on the Least coast I would complain also.

He may be a girl, cheater, whiner, diver, complainer, but he will have his name on the cup, hope Ovie can match it! Hockey Forever!

Posted by: penscapsNOTarivalry | June 15, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

OverTheBoards

I definitely see the appeal of Woodsie standing next to Coach B next year. I gave some of the same thoughts to my post that you did in yours, though not nearly as eloquently as you did.

The issue remains what to do in Hershey if you do bring him up to become Assistant Coach. The system works so well in bringing in Bears to the Caps that I'd hate to break up the brain trust there (Hershey).

Posted by: Greg S. | June 15, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

It disturbs me that Ted thinks the Caps played the Pens well in the series. I couldn't disagree more.

It makes me wonder how the Caps will fare going forward if ownership and management are still wearing the rose-colored glasses.

Posted by: CapsChick | June 15, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

penscapsNOTarivalry: If the Caps vs Pens are not a rivalry, why do you keep coming back here? I haven't logged on to any other teams boards, I don't have to, because you all flock here. Go enjoy your Stanley Cup, your Penguins won it, so leave. It's like coming to my house for poker night, winning, and then refusing to get the F out of my house. Yup, I'm a sore loser and losing to the Pens is like losing to the Cowboys.

Now it's time to see who gets retained by the contenders and who moves on. Have a good summer.

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 15, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

@kittypawz from the last post:
I think it could be that with a healthy captain, the Caps will win. The past two Calder Cup years, the Bears had two captains that had been healthy for a very good chunk of the season, and occasionally those captains were called up by the Caps, yet the assistant captains were right there being leaders to the team. A stand out point for the leadership really being leaders in the Bears organization, in my perspective, was in 06 when Lawrence Nycholat had pulled the whole team over and screamed at them for almost blowing a series in a no-coach team meeting. I wish that the Caps would try to sign him again, because he'd probably fit right in and he'll probably be cheaper. But then, I just want to see Nych playing within a reasonable distance again. (cheesy grin)
Bourque on Ovechkin's line... That'd be interesting to watch. I remember a time where Bourque was on Steckel's line, and those two flourished, but since Stecks has proven himself to be a good third liner, it'd be tricky to see him and Bourque be on the same line.
Pinner as a pest. Never occurred to me, but then I was probably watching someone else on his line. But, I'm a person that sees the prime example of a pest be Louis Robatille, so that may be why.
Goalie situation, in my rational perspective, would be finding a way out of Theo and getting Johnson. That way they can season both Mikey and Varly for another season, while Holtby sits on the bench. My dream way is not having Theo or Johnson so I can watch Braden play :) But that's not rational, is it?

Posted by: 4RBears | June 15, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Pens still blow!! And who was the Pens player who single-handedly assured their victory: no, not Crysby or Malkin. Max Talbot. I guess Fleury was another, but the big names were inconsequential.

Posted by: doughless | June 15, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Fanohock1: That is the most intelligent post I have read from you. I will leave, congratulate you on a good season, and see you next year.

Remember, this is NOT a team's blog, this is the Washington Post. I have not ever posted on another team's blog. But this is the paper I read, and the conspiracies and ref bashing is insane.

Nothing is like losing to the Cowboys (Super Bowl XXX)!

Hate him all you want, Crosby and Ovechkin are the faces of the NHL and we have to rely on these guys to bring hockey to the masses.

Posted by: penscapsNOTarivalry | June 15, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

It is funny that they feel compelled to come here and "gloat" but then say it's not a rivalry.

How else would they define it?

Posted by: Greg S. | June 15, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

@ Tarik,

Next time you speak with GMGM or Bruce would you kindly ask them if they have assembled a short list to replace the Assistant Defensive Coach for next season? If so how many individuals does that consist of and from what markets (West-NHL, East-NHL, W-AHL, E-AHL, other)?

Curious minds want to know

Posted by: caps28fan | June 15, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

@notarivalry - of course this is the paper you read because just like everyone else from Pittsburgh, they move to DC - a much better city. They might as well have a parade for the Pens in DC because there are more Pittsburgh Yinzers here than in there own city. What a joke.....

Nice work by Crysby in shaking hands after half the Wings were already through the line and heading to there locker room. The actual face of the Pens - Malkin - didnt have a problem shaking hands with everyone.

Posted by: capsfansince74 | June 15, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't want Malkin being the face of the Pens, either, not after the finals and the regular displays of truly upstanding character he showed....

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 15, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I do agree that he's a pretty strong candidate considering that the last head coach he worked under was Boudreau, and that he's got the ring to prove it.

Posted by: OverTheBoards | June 15, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

You know who else has a ring...

Seriously, stop talking about conspiratorial officiating and post-series celebration protocol. This blog is starting to sound like the guy that everyone mocks for being a crybaby.

Move on. Let it go. It's over.

Posted by: Section117 | June 15, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Mark:
Exactly. Frankly, I am surprised that the Flyers picked up Emery when they have not signed Biron - I would think they would go after Jose before Emery. Surely they can't be thinking of him as their #1?!? Anyway, hopefully someone will take him!

Posted by: --Boo-- | June 15, 2009 8:56 AM

No way Boo. Biron has about 1/10th of the skill that Emery possesses. Dude is a serious headcase, but he is still an amazingly sound goalie. Flyers made a great decision in going after non-Biron and Nittymaki goalies (Emery, Esche, and Backlund). I think it is pretty obvious that Biron is never, ever going to win the Cup as a starter.

I wanted them to go for Jose too, but that wouldnt help them gain anything over Biron. Emery is on another level compared to both Biron and Jose.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

And I am just going to say this for the last time. Ever.

Pens/Caps may not be a rivalry now, but anyone who tries to deny the sparks felt in the 90s is just being ignorant. That is like trying to tell a Jew the Holocaust never happened.

If you try to give me the "drubbing" argument, then you don't know anything. Newsflash; ANY team that faces ANY OTHER TEAM 6 times in 10 years in the post-season = rivalry.

Also, the sheer fact that Pens fans come on here to gloat shows that there is something between these teams. Granted, this is a two-way street but I don't really see anyone who posts here who I atually read and take into consideration when they post going over to some Pens blog to troll.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I find it interesting that there is so much more venom coming from Cap fans after the Pens won the Cup, than when the Caps lost to the Pens.

Posted by: hockeypuck1 | June 15, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

ok, seriously, comparing denying the long-standing rivalry between the Caps and Pens to denying the Holocaust? Too far. waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too far.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 15, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

@penscapsnotarivalry: Denial is such an ugly color on you. I echo the sentiments of others on the Capitals board who actually have a life other than the one you pass off as one: why bother coming onto our boards after your team won the Stanley Cup? Nothing better to do?

It's a shame. I think this is what's wrong with society today. All that testing on monkeys resulted in people like penscapsnotarivalry and...Crosby being born.

Here's a new concept: try getting a job, penscapsnotarivalry. You'll notice how much time goes by faster and you won't need to belittle yourself riding on the coattails of a hockey team that could care less whether you go on another team's message boards or deny that there's a rivalry. If there wasn't a rivalry, you wouldn't be on here. No offense, buddy, the rest of us went back to our lives after the Cup. You might want to think about that. I'm sure they miss you at the drive thru window.

Leastcoast...*sigh* Grow up, dude.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | June 15, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I'd say Pens-Caps is something of a rivalry now because of the Crosby-Ovie comparisons. In the '90s? Not so much: it was really more of a one-way street in those days, wasn't it? Pens-Rangers was more of a rivalry because of their heated playoff battles, and Pens-Flyers was, is and probably always will be a rivalry not only because of the bitter history between the two teams, but also because the teams reside at opposite ends of Pennsylvania.

Posted by: Jumpy66 | June 15, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Phil:
What are you basing your assessment on Emery on? If you look at the stats for Emery, Biron and Jose they are similar (in fact, both Biron and Jose have better GAAs for the past two seasons, not that we have NHL stats for Emery last season). Add to that the fact that he melted down (if memory serves) at the end of the 07-08 season and is just unpredictable in general (as you said, a head case), I think he would be a huge gamble as a #1. Back-up, maybe, but #1? I wouldn't do it unless I didn't have another option or was rebuilding and didn't feel I had a legitimate shot at the Cup.

Posted by: Boo- | June 15, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I'd say Pens-Caps is something of a rivalry now because of the Crosby-Ovie comparisons. In the '90s? Not so much: it was really more of a one-way street in those days, wasn't it? Pens-Rangers was more of a rivalry because of their heated playoff battles, and Pens-Flyers was, is and probably always will be a rivalry not only because of the bitter history between the two teams, but also because the teams reside at opposite ends of Pennsylvania.

the bitter history between the two teams? Examples, please.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 15, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

If Pittsburgh is so great, why do so many locals leave? It's just insane to think of the mass exodus that takes place in Western PA.

Posted by: SA-Town | June 15, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Funny, more people tuned in for the cup presentation? That's when I turned my TV off.

Posted by: Whitermage | June 15, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Section117 - A-freaking-men. People wonder why trolls come here so often, because everyone keeps pissing and moaning about how unfair something was. Guess what game is over, time to get ready for next season.

Posted by: superpaqman | June 15, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Birdie, coupla things: I left D.C. (Annapolis specifically) for Pittsburgh. And what history between the Rangers and Pens? Are you serious? Try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqvxQcnZy2Y

Go to the 1:20 mark for it in slow motion. Mario missed a few games with a broken wrist, but came back in the series.

Why concern yourselves with the '90s now? Pens-Caps is now bigger than Pens-Rangers.

Posted by: Jumpy66 | June 15, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Jumpy - here is a much better Lemieux clip. He was quite the tough guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XDaCrCTrXM&feature=related

Posted by: capsfansince74 | June 15, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I'd say Pens-Caps is something of a rivalry now because of the Crosby-Ovie comparisons. In the '90s? Not so much: it was really more of a one-way street in those days, wasn't it? Pens-Rangers was more of a rivalry because of their heated playoff battles, and Pens-Flyers was, is and probably always will be a rivalry not only because of the bitter history between the two teams, but also because the teams reside at opposite ends of Pennsylvania.

Posted by: Jumpy66 | June 15, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Jumpy, that is like saying until about 5 years ago the Yankees and Red Sox were not a rivalry. Rivalries are built up for many reasons and not just because of an equal back and forth.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | June 15, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Ugh, I miss hockey already. :( What I really hope is that next year, the postseason is as great as it was this year. This year's playoffs were so fun to follow, just wish we won, but we'll be there next year I'm sure. ;)

Posted by: rachel216 | June 15, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

The Bears celebration was absolutely awesome, and boy was Giant Center packed! I had a great time, met some of the guys, and I'm looking forward to next year for all three teams! :-)

Posted by: irockthered | June 15, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Ugh, I miss hockey already. :( What I really hope is that next year, the postseason is as great as it was this year. This year's playoffs were so fun to follow, just wish we won, but we'll be there next year I'm sure. ;)

Posted by: rachel216 | June 15, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Optimism! Yes! That's a key in winning, keeping the optimism up!
And I know what you mean about missing hockey. My #1 team just won their respective Cup and yet I still miss hockey... And I'm impatient for rookie camp.

Posted by: 4RBears | June 15, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Jumpy, please read my post. I specifically asked about the statement you made about the "bitter history" between the Pens and Flyers. I asked nothing about the Rangers. If "bitter history" can onyl be forged through the playoffs, then I'm curious as to your reasoning because prior to last year, the Penguins and Flyers had only met twice, and both times the Flyers were the victors. Therefore, under your reasoning, there would be no rivalry between the two clubs. Now, these past two season, the Pens and Flyers have again met. But this time the Penguins were victorious. So, again, no rivalry, at least according to your standards.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 15, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Pens winning the Cup SHOULD mean something to Ted. It means he (and his GM) have no idea how to put together a decent playoff team. I predict more of the same if we keep (are stuck with) the likes of Feds, Fehr, Flash, Schultz, Nyles, Theo, etc.

Posted by: FancyDan | June 15, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

FancyDan,

I have no way of knowing if you just hopped on the Caps bandwagon these past two years, but the last time the Caps lost to the Pens in the playoffs (2001), Ted decided he could not beat the Pens, so he chose instead to BECOME the Pens by acquiring Jagr and several others black and gold players. That was the beginning of a very Dark Era in Caps history. Ted is still learning, but he is a smart guy, and I think he will make the the right moves for 2009.

Posted by: hockeypuck1 | June 15, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Why wouldn't the Flyers sign Emery? They have a goalie and enforcer all in one.

Posted by: capsfan01 | June 15, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Oh, sorry Birdie. You're asking about the Flyers? They were the "Broad Street Bullies" and routinely kicked the behinds of the Pens from the mid-70s until the early 1990s. That is a true rivalry, and unlike the Pens-Rangers or Pens-Caps, it has nothing to do with playoffs or who is wearing the sweaters. It's all based on geography, which doesn't change. Are Pens and Caps rivals now? Sure. But overlooking the Pens-Flyers rivalry is like a Baltimore Ravens fan overlooking the Steelers-Brown rivalry, which goes back decades and is a bitter matchup regardless of the respective records of the two teams.

Posted by: Jumpy66 | June 15, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Phil:
What are you basing your assessment on Emery on? If you look at the stats for Emery, Biron and Jose they are similar (in fact, both Biron and Jose have better GAAs for the past two seasons, not that we have NHL stats for Emery last season). Add to that the fact that he melted down (if memory serves) at the end of the 07-08 season and is just unpredictable in general (as you said, a head case), I think he would be a huge gamble as a #1. Back-up, maybe, but #1? I wouldn't do it unless I didn't have another option or was rebuilding and didn't feel I had a legitimate shot at the Cup.

Posted by: Boo- | June 15, 2009 1:13 PM |

I am basing this off Emery being a better goaltender.

Emery is an amazingly good goaltender, and is capable of carrying a team to the Cup. Jose and Biron? I don't think so. Like I said, he is just a headcase, but a very capable Goalie. I would much rather have Emery than Jose in my net. (barring being an idiot on and off the ice aside; skill for skill)


I'd say Pens-Caps is something of a rivalry now because of the Crosby-Ovie comparisons. In the '90s? Not so much: it was really more of a one-way street in those days, wasn't it? Pens-Rangers was more of a rivalry because of their heated playoff battles, and Pens-Flyers was, is and probably always will be a rivalry not only because of the bitter history between the two teams, but also because the teams reside at opposite ends of Pennsylvania.

Posted by: Jumpy66 | June 15, 2009 1:10 PM |

I have already addressed this about 234523452345 times.

Once again, just because you are beaten 5 out of 6 times means you have no rivalry? So the Flyers beat the Pens every time in the 90s, and they have a rivalry bigger than the Caps/Pens, because it was "one-way street." (hey, exactly like philly!)

I don't really care what you guys have to say, you ask ANY Pens fan during the 90s and they will admit that the greatest rivalry was with the Caps in the 90s. There is no way around it. Playing a team 6 out of 10 teams in one decade = rivalry.

Pens/Flyers, who played each other 3 times in the 90s and the Pens lost everytime was a bigger rivalry because of geography? Lol..okay. I'm done arguing about petty "rivalries", who really cares? Pens/Caps were one of the greatest, if not the greatest, rivalry in the 90s. Anyone who tries to say otherwise must only have Ovechkin jerseys or something.

Lets talk about Emery and Robert Esche.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Pens winning the Cup SHOULD mean something to Ted. It means he (and his GM) have no idea how to put together a decent playoff team. I predict more of the same if we keep (are stuck with) the likes of Feds, Fehr, Flash, Schultz, Nyles, Theo, etc.

Posted by: FancyDan | June 15, 2009 2:47 PM |

What the hell are you talking about?

Go watch the nats or skins or something.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

@Birdie

They actually met 3 times prior to last year. But thank you, I have been arguing this dumb point with people forever.

I really don't see how anyone is trying to tell us otherwise. I mean really, is this simple sentence not enough?

"Out of a possible 10 total meetings between two different teams, they met in the playoffs 6 times."

How and What world is there when this doesn't equal a rivalry?

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Phil:
"I am basing this off Emery being a better goaltender."
How are you defining "better"? Can you quantify that? If not I will have to respectfully disagree (especially with a GAA of 3.13 and a losing record in his last NHL season). Besides, he's not worth the drama. That stuff does not only impact the player's performance, it impacts the entire locker room. Thanks but no thanks.

Posted by: Boo- | June 15, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Also, just to mention it again, we were in the same division as the Pens at one point. This easily carried over into the re-formatted divisions in 93.

In fact, this is why I think most Caps fans feel inclined to rag on the Pens now. Sure, the newer people just focus on bashing Crosby, but at least for me and other people I know who have been long-time Caps fans, our hate for the Pens stem from the Patrick and the 90s.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

The South Carolina Stingrays who just won the ECHL Kelly Cup have just announced that they are selling the game worn blue jerseys on eBay.

These are the actual jerseys worn the night the Rays won the Cup!

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/stingrayshockey_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZ

Posted by: newtocharleston77 | June 15, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Phil:
"I am basing this off Emery being a better goaltender."
How are you defining "better"? Can you quantify that? If not I will have to respectfully disagree (especially with a GAA of 3.13 and a losing record in his last NHL season). Besides, he's not worth the drama. That stuff does not only impact the player's performance, it impacts the entire locker room. Thanks but no thanks.

Posted by: Boo- | June 15, 2009 3:30 PM |

Ah, come on Boo. I don't really want to look up numbers and break down a bunch of crap, like comparing the "what the hell is defense?" Sens to Jose's or Biron's teams, SF/SS ratio, Emery's unbelievable numbers in the hyper-offense KHL, etc

Emery is a better goaltender. Just watch videos of all three of them, it is very clear. At least it is very clear that Emery is much better than Biron. might be harder to make a case against Theo, though Theo's performance this year is probably swaying everyone from even considering his flukey Vezina year.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Also, I am trying to avoid having to look up stuff to defend Emery, but I am almost positive that his last year in the NHL he had surgery all summer, and was then completely unconditioned for training. In fact, I believe Gerber beat out Emery in camp.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Here is an interesting rumor, to say the least...


To Los Angles:

LW Dany Heatley
D Jason Smith
1st Round Pick Pick (9th Overall)

To Ottawa:

LW Alexander Frolov
D Jack Johnson
1st Round Pick- (5th Pick Overall)

Three major "ifs":
1. Heatley would have to accept the trade ofcourse
2. The Kings would take on the 4M bonus (July 1st)
3. Smith status for next season and whether he will honour his last year or retire.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Oh, sorry Birdie. You're asking about the Flyers? They were the "Broad Street Bullies" and routinely kicked the behinds of the Pens from the mid-70s until the early 1990s. That is a true rivalry, and unlike the Pens-Rangers or Pens-Caps, it has nothing to do with playoffs or who is wearing the sweaters. It's all based on geography, which doesn't change. Are Pens and Caps rivals now? Sure. But overlooking the Pens-Flyers rivalry is like a Baltimore Ravens fan overlooking the Steelers-Brown rivalry, which goes back decades and is a bitter matchup regardless of the respective records of the two teams.

Posted by: Jumpy66 | June 15, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Your logic is really all over the place. The Flyers routinely dominated the Penguins, but that's a rivalry. And you have previously claimed that rivalries are born during the playoffs, but throw it out the window when it suits you. Ok......

Don't speak down to me, please. I'm quite well aware of who the "Broad Street Bullies" are and the the Flyers well-earned reputation for being nasty thugs during that time.

Geography....well, Pittsburgh to Washington (or Landover back in the day) is about the same a Pittsburgh to Philly. Actually, the driving distance between DC and Pittsburgh is slightly shorter, by about 30-40 minutes.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 15, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Phil:
Unbelievable numbers? He was in the KHL - I hope his numbers would be better in the KHL than when he was in the NHL. All I know is that (I believe) Jose and Biron had better numbers than him (GAA and SV%) in 07/08 - that is the most recent/relevant information I have to go on. So I suppose we will have to agree to disagree. Regardless, I don't care how good he is, I would not gamble on him being a #1 seeing as he is a "head case" (your words - not mine). I certainly don't see the Flyers riding him to the Cup.

Posted by: Boo- | June 15, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Phil,

I gotta side with Boo. Emery was an average goaltender at best. now he's a nutjob. He may make a flashy save, or have a good game, but he has never and will never take a team to the Cup

Posted by: Leeguru | June 15, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

When you are on the winning side of a rivalry and can't even be gracious enough to admit that there is one...would you say that makes you a good sport?

How about when your team wins it all and within days you are on your "non-rival"'s message boards trying to rub it in?

Aren't there parades or something?

Posted by: megatroll1 | June 15, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I am not saying he will ride a team to the Cup, but he is;

a) better than Biron
b) cheaper than Biron

Go look up his KHL numbers. His backups, nor any other goalie in the KHL put up anywhere close to his numbers. I sort of knew you would say something like that, but it doesn't really matter when your backups didn't produce anywhere near the same numbers as you.

Like I said, he was injured in 07/08, and was not conditioned for training camp so use the numbers all you want I guess...

Emery being a better goalie than Biron is really something that should not be debated. It's clear-cut to be honest with you. But lets talk about something else....

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

but he has never and will never take a team to the Cup

Posted by: Leeguru | June 15, 2009 3:47 PM |

Yeah, he's never won a Cup, but you might want to re-google your info.

06-07.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

wasn't he just on the team, not the starter? I never base my info on facts, just my gut feelings and a magic 8 ball

Posted by: Leeguru | June 15, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

The "injury argument" can be used for our guys like Fehr and Lepisto, but when talking about other players I guess it gets thrown out the window.


Emery > Biron. If I was a Flyers fan, I would be happy. It's not like the Flyers aren't used to dealing with nutjobs.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

@Lee

Nope, he played in all 20 games that year.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

in 2006-2007, Ray Emery played 58 games in net for the Senators during the regular season. He played 20 games in the playoffs that year (I don't know if that is every game the Sens played that post-season or not)

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 15, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

stupid facts getting in the way again

Posted by: Leeguru | June 15, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

@RedBirdie

Yes it was. 5 game series against...Buffalo...Pens..and..? My mind is blanking out.

Then lost in 5 to the Ducks.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

All I remember was that being an anomoly, and everyone was surprised when the Sens brought back just gerber and emery to be the starters.

Posted by: Leeguru | June 15, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Phil:
Clear cut? Not to be debated? I don't think so ...

Posted by: Boo- | June 15, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Lee/Phil:
Emery has never won the Cup.

Posted by: Boo- | June 15, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Huh? What was an anomaly? The Sens run? The Sens were one of the hottest teams for like 10 years. they were the hottest team entering the playoffs that year (sound familiar, Pens?), and like I said beat every East team in 5 games that year.

Giggy beat Emery, no doubt. But is it really that surprising?

And just to point out, the Sens brought in more than just Gerber and Emery, but they had absolutely no cap space for anyone good. I will point out again that Emery was injured that year, and is why he had poor numbers in his last NHL year.


I am sick of defending Ray frickin Emery. I personally think that the Flyers made a smart move in signing a better and cheaper goalie in Emery than in Biron. I am not calling him elite...or Hasek...or that he will carry the Flyers, or any of these weird inferences you guys made.

I am simply calling him a better goalie than Biron.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Phil, found it:

Ottawa (4) def. Pittsburgh (1)
Ottawa (4) def. New Jersey (1)
Ottawa (4) def. Buffalo (1)
Anaheim (4) def. Ottawa (1)

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 15, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Interesting factoid: The Sens were the #4 seed. They had to eliminate both the #2 (NJ) and #1 (Buffalo) to reach the finals. Impressive.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 15, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Interesting factoid: The Sens were the #4 seed. They had to eliminate both the #2 (NJ) and #1 (Buffalo) to reach the finals. Impressive.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 15, 2009 4:17 PM |

And to add, that at one point the Sens were in LAST PLACE that year.

Also, since when did the Sens start becoming a doormat team and not an East powerhouse? The same year they let Emery go.... They also kept the CASH line, kept volchenkov, kept every other piece that were with them..except Emery. Now, the Sens are considered a nothing team. Doormat, etc. They still have the CASH line. They still have the same top 4 d men....hm....

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Suffice to say, we (especially me) are getting a bit off course here. I personally think the Flyers made some smart moves to get a solid #1 without having to compromise any of their players. (Emery, Backlund, and rumors are now that they are looking at Robert Esche..which is sort of funny) Keep in mind, the Flyers have/had probably the worst Cap situation in all of hockey last year. (They traded Upshall for Carcillo JUST so they could keep Giroux up under the cap)

If they had to re-sign Biron, for undoubtedly more money, they would be even more screwed by the Cap.

Whether or not Emery is a better goalie ( I think it is pretty clear, others seem to agree), the Flyers had to do something to fix their Cap. Either resign Biron and trade their players or go for a cheaper #1 (and potentially better) and not trade their players.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Can someone explain to me why the Penguins were in 10th place come February if they were so good?

Posted by: SA-Town | June 15, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

*They had to make that trade to fit Briere in under with Giroux, since Briere came off LTIR.

*I meant to say "others seem to disagree"

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

because the MVP of the Penguins aren't Crosby and Malkin, who couldn't get the team into the playoffs on their own. Guerin, Gonchar and a coach that not everyone hates turned out to be more important than the Wonder Twins (of playing dirty when it comes to fights). If they don't change coaches, if Gonchar doesn't recover, if Guerin doesn't get traded, that team is dead in the water.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 15, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

i keep waiting for Richmond Phil to say "just kiddin"

Posted by: SombreroGuy | June 15, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Can someone explain to me why the Penguins were in 10th place come February if they were so good?

Posted by: SA-Town | June 15, 2009 4:27 PM |

Dan Bylsma.

I'm not really buying this whole "Pens were the better team" thing going on though. I mean, of course, since they won the Cup, but lets be honest here; Caps, Canes, and the Wings all could have beaten the Pens. It is not like the Pens dominated the majority of the games in any of the series. They won two OT games against us on flukes. They were ousted by DET in game 6. All indicators that a different bounce could have meant a whole different scenario right now.

All it tells me is that the Cap is working, to a degree. More teams are having a even chance to go all he way.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Can someone explain to me why the Penguins were in 10th place come February if they were so good?
____

They weren't then. They made two significant trades, bringing in Bill Guerin and Chris Kunitz. More importantly, they fired coach Michael Therrien and replaced him with Dan Bylsma, who implemented a completely different offensive scheme with more aggressive forechecking and defensemen jumping in from the neutral zone. Not to mention that Bylsma brought a much more relaxed style to locker room, when compared to the disciplinarian Therrien. The results speak for themselves.

Posted by: Jumpy66 | June 15, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Phil, interesting rumor, but if it turns out to be true, either LA has lost it or Ottawa better jump on that as quick as they can.

Posted by: superpaqman | June 15, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

The Pens blew out the Canes, sweeping the series. And Game 5 is the one where Detroit laid down the law and the Penguins completely unraveled and turning into a band of temper-tantrum throwing 3 year olds on skates.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 15, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse


Phil, interesting rumor, but if it turns out to be true, either LA has lost it or Ottawa better jump on that as quick as they can.

Posted by: superpaqman | June 15, 2009 4:35 PM |

I see it as a definitive advantage to the Sens as well. Though, Heatley is at the peak of his career and is very capable of putting up 50+ goals. But Sens win with Johnson over old man Smith.


Also a Brown-Kopitar-Heatley line kind of scares me..at least for the West teams.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

The Pens blew out the Canes, sweeping the series. And Game 5 is the one where Detroit laid down the law and the Penguins completely unraveled and turning into a band of temper-tantrum throwing 3 year olds on skates.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 15, 2009 4:38 PM

Ah, I confused the Pens/Canes series with Canes/Bruins. Forgot they got swept..haha.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

why did the pens get so much better? 1)Coaching change

2) Getting Gonchar back from injury was huge That's basically a trade deadline acquisition without costing the team any assets.

3) Adding Guerin and Kunitz made them gritier up front, with playing styles that fit the playoffs.

It'll be more difficult for the Pens to accomplish these deadline moves moving forward. Malkin's new contract kicks in, so his cap hit is going to baloon from around 2.5 million (including bonuses and incentives) to 9 million.

Posted by: SombreroGuy | June 15, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

and I don't think Guerin is coming back for next season. Unless he takes a huge paycut. The Pens have over $20 million tied up in Crosby, Malkin, and Staal alone for next season.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 15, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Explain Crosby's Leadership under Thierrien..and compare that to his leadership under Bylsma.

Posted by: SA-Town | June 15, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Pens have 22.45 mil in 4 centers alone for next year.

Yeesh.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Acquisitions like Guerin can be had by the Pens (or Caps) every season. The Iles knew Guerin was a goner, so all the Pens had to give up was a conditional draft pick, which turned out to be a third rounder. I've been critical of McPhee for not making these kinds of moves.

Posted by: Jumpy66 | June 15, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Acquisitions like Guerin can be had by the Pens (or Caps) every season. The Iles knew Guerin was a goner, so all the Pens had to give up was a conditional draft pick, which turned out to be a third rounder. I've been critical of McPhee for not making these kinds of moves.

McPhee couldn't make that exact move for the following two reasons:

1. The Caps were at the 50 NHL contract maximum. The would have to move a contract, not just a pick.
2. The Caps were also hard against the Cap. Again, need to move enough contract(s) to get enough space to take on Guerin.

So, the Capitals could not make the exact same move, and that point has been hammered on about a million times, and yet people are still insisting that Guerin could have been had if the Caps were willing to part with a draft pick. Not the case at all.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 15, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Geurin was very close to coming here guys. Our inability to move any worthwhile contracts (read: Nyls) forced him to not make any moves.

(YES IT IS TRUE THAT THE SITUATION WAS CAUSED BY GMGM IN THE FIRST PLACE. WE KNOW THAT GUYS, THANKS FOR POINTING IT OUT EVERY SINGLE TIME.) I'm no soothsayer, and I am sure GMGM isn't either, so I don't think anyone could have predicted for Nyls and his 4.5 to bomb like he did this year making him essentially un-tradeable. Sometimes teams get stuck with bad contracts..it happens. (see: Dustin Penner)

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

@superpaqman

On further inspection of that trade, the Kings jump up 5 spots on a very, very deep draft.

Losing Johnson is horrible, but they also have tons of up and coming d men who play like him.

Heatley > Frolov obviously.

Maybe not be as Sens sided as I first thought.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

@fanohock1

Glad you enjoyed the trip to Hershey with your family this weekend.

By the way, I think your posts are intelligent and well reasoned (even if certain other fans here don't.)

Ted is happy the Caps got further. He probably doesn't want to be too negative about the team in public even if he privately thinks there are issues. (And has too much class to say stuff about the Pens.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 15, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the Pens are a rival of the Caps, even if it's one sided.

Pens fans did NOT like the Caps in the 90's after the Dale Hunter incident even though the Pens got much deeper in the playoffs.

Yankee fans did NOT like the Red Sox even when the Red Sox could not win the big ones against them.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 15, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Woods would be a logical choice to be defensive coach of the Caps. Given that Defense is his strong suit and the fact that he and Boudreau work well together. Woods does deserve a promotion of some sort for his work with the Bears.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 15, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

And, no, we couldn't trade for Guerin since we couldn't afford his salary with the Caps and we were and are still stuck with Nylander. (From now on, Caps, don't EVER sign a guy over 32 to a contract of more than 2 years. Okay, maybe if a guy is doing well for the first year it, they can sign him to a 1 year extension.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 15, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

@hockeyweasel (from previous thread)

I know you made the crack that every Pitt player's name translates to weasel (and that the Pens are certainly weasels).

Kunitz' last name is Slavic for "marten" which is a form of weasel. How appropriate!

When the Caps dumped everyone, I couldn't really have blamed Gonchar for wanting out. All the guys he know were being traded; etc. Yes, my daughter wanted to leave her swim team when they had a bad coach and her friends were all leaving too. (Note: she switched for one year but returned to her old team when she became a coach but this year she's just swimming, for her original team.) Kolzig was the only one of the bunch who stayed. Too bad, he lost his skills when the Caps got good again.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 15, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil

Thanks for that on Nylander. I've been arguing most of the season on this issue. At the time, it was a stupendous deal. Unfortunately, the game's passed his style by - at least on this team. Now it just seems stupid. There was no one on this board last year saying he was a waste of money/position when he went down with a shoulder injury. He was almost a point a game up to that point, and was more than that for the Rags. What a coup!

Everyone blames GMGM for that. Why didn't he trade him at the deadline? I read in one of TEB's posts back in late January early Feb that GMGM asked if he'd be willing to be traded and he selected certain teams (10 sticks to mind). No deal could be made.

That's gotta hurt not only GMGM but Nyls, too. This is the main reason why I don't think that Nyls retiring is out of the question. The question then comes to where would he play next year (obviously not in the N/A/I/ECHL as they're all governed by the CBA or have recipricol agreements with the NHL. The question becomes would his wife move to Europe or Russia?

Posted by: Greg S. | June 15, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

The Steelers are rivals to both the "original" Cleveland Browns who are now the Ravens and to the current set of Cleveland Browns.

While I'm no fan of the Steelers, by any stretch of the imagination, they are good for dumping the Dallas Cowboys in the Superbowl. (Plus, they're in the opposite conference from the 'Skins.)

(Luckily, the Pittsburgh Pirates are terrible but I used to hate them when they were good which was the beginning of my ill-feeling towards teams from that city.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 15, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Here's a trade rumor I've heard. Chris Pronger was to be going to the LA Kings for Jack Johnson and a 5th round pick.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 15, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Just throwing this out there, but I am a cowboys fan. :) Family is from Oklahoma, sorry.


@CapsFan75

I heard that rumor too. Looks the Kings are done with the rebuild and its time to trade some of their young talent (since they have a surplus) for some top guns, like Heatley and Pronger.
I remember you saying something about Petr Sykora last post. Although on paper he seems to be a good fit for us, I think we have the players that play his role. He is mostly a pure goal scorer, and he just fell asleep in the first two rounds (hence, Satan's call-up). I think we have people like him already who are capable of putting up comparable numbers. I would like to see us go for a forward that does everything we don't do already, and it seems we are already good on the finesse goal scorers. Now if Sykora got his 25 goals by crashing the net/standing in the crease instead of wristers like Semin, Flash, Ovie, etc, then maybbe I would see him as a better fit for us.

To be honest, I'd much rather steal Fedotenko away from them then Sykora, but I think Feds, along with Scuderi, are at the top of their list to resign.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

FWIW, on XM today they said the Pronger rumor was not true.

Posted by: Boo- | June 15, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

With that said, Hudler is going to be a RFA. If Wings go for Hossa, he probably will not be re-signed.

Hudler anyone?

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

Fedotenko has the virtue of being younger than Sikora, if nothing else. Generally a 15 goal, 25-30 assist type of player. If he's a net crasher, all the better. He had a positive Plus/Minue for the Pens

I'm guessing that Sikora is more of a net crasher than a Ovi/Semin type shooter being as he got hurt blocking a shot. He did do poorly enough to be a healthy scratch for most of the playoffs. He is not good at defense.

It would certainly be nice to get Fedotenko. He seems like he would add value to the Caps.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 15, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Ew Cowboys fan! :(

Posted by: rachel216 | June 15, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

To be honest, I don't care much for football, americanized or not. Never did. I just go with the Cowboys since my Father is a Cowboys fan, because he was raised near Tulsa. But, his Mother (meaning my Grandmother) is a huge Redskins fan, since she grew up herself in Reston. Creates a fun Thanksgiving. (especially if they are playing!)

Caps and O's are really the only two pro teams, and consequently the only two sports I really care about.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

In all seriousness, the NHL has a real problem on its hands. It's designated golden boy has proven to be a) not as good as advertised and clearly not even the best player on his team, b) a whining, self absorbed punk, c) someone with absolutely zero personality d) someone who seems to be universally despised by fans outside of Pittsburgh and disrespected by players around the league. Crosby's actions in not shaking hands were just the latest sign of his immaturity and self absorbtion. Do I think that he intended to snub the Red Wings? No. But I think that he was so full of himself that he didn't even think about it. Time for the NHL to find a new golden boy.
Posted by: dcsportsdude

I responded to this the last time you posted these very words. Seriously, you are giving Caps fans a bad name by saying the same wrong stuff over and over again, especially when it comes to your comments on the playing ability of other teams and their players, not just the Pens.

Posted by: Dalliquippa | June 15, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Ach! Football is a great sport - for about 4 seconds. But then they stop and stand around for an hour and talk about what happened and what to do next.

I'd much prefer to watch Rugby or Lacrosse. That is if I'm not watching hockey.

Posted by: Greg S. | June 15, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Greg:
Hey stranger! Where you been hiding?

Posted by: --Boo-- | June 15, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I've been on here sporadically today. We just missed eachother. I have 4 major and 1 minor proposals to get out by the end of the month. Just got home 'bout an hour ago.

Posted by: Greg S. | June 15, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil, I know you actually think Emery has talent, but take a moment to enjoy the chaotic hilariousness that is Ray Emery.
http://fiveforsmiting.com/2009061064/2009-articles/june/a-handy-user-guide-for-flyers-fans-emery-20.html

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | June 15, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Greg:
Nothing like coming home from a hard day's work to a ... hard night's work. :-/ I don't know how you do it. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help! BTW, did you get my email (or was it lost in the sea of "the other" emails)?

JMU:
I love it! :-) For some reason I was especially amused by, "My Emery Model 2.0 will not interface with Biron 7.2.1. Suggestion -- The two systems are incompatible. In order to ensure proper performance of Emery Model 2.0, all versions of Biron must be uninstalled. Motherland Antique Restoration And Heavy Industries' engineers are currently working to solve the problem. Ensuing property damage will not be covered under warranty."

Posted by: --Boo-- | June 15, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Boo, I sat there chuckling for 5 minutes before I even thought to post it. As soon as I stopped laughing, it would hit me again.

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | June 15, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Yes I did. I think I replied. Maybe mine got lost in your emails from all your other b'friends. :)

Posted by: Greg S. | June 15, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

JMU:
lol! Can't blame you for that! :-D

Posted by: --Boo-- | June 15, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Greg:
lol! No you didn't! I just checked again - no email. *sniff-sniff* :-P

Posted by: --Boo-- | June 15, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Ah, but I did, fair maiden! But alas! To no avail!

I resent my extremely brief reply. Basically, the answer is "no."

Posted by: Greg S. | June 15, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

And I'm SOOOOOOO Glad we didn't get the Emery Model 2.0.

That's great stuff there!

Posted by: Greg S. | June 15, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Greg:
There you go being verbose again!! ;-) Well unfortunately I did not get either - dropping you a line to make sure you have the right address.

Posted by: --Boo-- | June 15, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

JMU:
Did you read any of the articles that Emery 2.0 linked to? Yowza! Here is one of the lighter moments:

"So let me lay it out for you. You don't like being the backup? Fine. How about you don't suck? How about not giving up 10 goals on 80 shots in your last three full games? How about not pulling yourself out of game five minutes in because you suddenly felt a "twinge" in an old injury you swore up and down to your coach not seven days before was fully healed? And while we're on the subject, how about not scheduling off season surgery so late in the summer that you miss most of training camp? Oh that's right, I forgot. Superheroes such as yourself don't need training camp."

Phil:
Are you reading this? It's from a Sens fan!! :-o

Posted by: --Boo-- | June 15, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Just out of curiosity, has it ever happened before where both the ECHL and AHL affiliate of an NHL won their respective championships in the same season?

Posted by: geauxcaps | June 15, 2009 9:25 AM


To answer your question, yes it has. During the lockout (2005), the Philadelphia Flyers' farm teams, the Philadelphia Phantoms and Trenton Titans won the Calder and Kelly Cups respectively.

As for the Stanley Cup, folks it was wired to the Penguin Scum and anybody who tries to argue should be forced to explain how in the world the Penguin Scum were not only allowed seven players on the ice for 21 seconds in Game 3, but why in the world the NHL NEVER publicly reprimanded the officials who clearly, obviously, and blatantly botched that call.

It ain't "hatin" it's a fact. The Cup, just like the Lombardi, was handed on a silver platter to Pittsburgh and the NHL was even less subtle than the NFL was.

Posted by: CapsNut | June 15, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

i dont like crosby or the pens but fact is they have been in the finals 2 years in a row.....lost then made changes and put on a huge run to win....we can either persist in making assine accusations about collusion or give them their dues and figure out what they are doing to beat us 2 years in a row

Posted by: wendel2 | June 15, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Boo!, No, but I love the "weeks of enjoyment" part. I'm hoping its only weeks before he blows his first gasket. (Off-topic, but who's on the left in that, uh, awkward, Pens celebration picture? I can't for the life of me figure out who it is.)

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | June 15, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

I think what amuses me the most about Emery is he's so young. I always think he's so much older than I am. There's *years* of crazy left in him!

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | June 15, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

If you don't want the Pens fans to come on here and gloat then stop talking about the Pens and Crosby so incessantly. Half the posts on here about them, sometimes I wonder if you all are Caps fans or Pens/Crosby haters.

if you wanna be angry about something, get angry at the Caps management for not getting it done.

Posted by: joek443 | June 15, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Philly checked Emery's work in Russia before they signed him. Did they check YouTube?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG7rGiOR4CM

Posted by: Greg S. | June 15, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

@Boo and JMU

Suffice to say, we (especially me) are getting a bit off course here. I personally think the Flyers made some smart moves to get a solid #1 without having to compromise any of their players. (Emery, Backlund, and rumors are now that they are looking at Robert Esche..which is sort of funny) Keep in mind, the Flyers have/had probably the worst Cap situation in all of hockey last year. (They traded Upshall for Carcillo JUST so they could keep Giroux up under the cap with Briere off LTIR)

If they had to re-sign Biron, for undoubtedly more money, they would be even more screwed by the Cap.

Whether or not Emery is a better goalie ( I think it is pretty clear, others seem to disagree), the Flyers had to do something to fix their Cap. Either resign Biron and trade their players or go for a cheaper #1 (and potentially better) and not trade their players. It seems to me they made the better choice.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 4:27 PM |

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

@richmond

Pens have 22.45 mil in 4 centers alone for next year.

Yeesh.

I agree, but OV is 10 mill a year. How much do you think Backs and Sasha will cost in a few years??

Posted by: hardyboys0 | June 15, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

They will cost alot, but I am failing to see your point. I was making a simple observation.

Backstrom is obviously the priority, we can go from there.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

I guess I just don't agree with everyone saying our cap situation is so much better...

Top end core players for both teams, will cost about the same.

Posted by: hardyboys0 | June 15, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Our cap situation is better for next year, but then we have to resign both Semin and Backstrom. Depending on how both they do next year will ultimately determine their price, but it is fair to say that Semin might not be resigned/traded, as much as I love him. Semin's increase will not be that strenuous either way, but Backstrom's hit will skyrocket.

The thing is, with Nylander, Theodore, and possibly trimming some others off the payroll, we actually would have the space to sign Semin and Backstrom potentially. (Barring any significant FA signings/trades)

It will be a fun off-season, I think.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 15, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Hey Tarik or other posters, any info on Brash re-signing yet?

Posted by: capsfan01 | June 16, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Phil:
Do you physically feel pain when you are painfully wrong? ;-)

Posted by: --Boo-- | June 16, 2009 6:50 AM | Report abuse

This is the whiniest post I have ever read and can not believe that my fellow Caps fans resort to complaining about the refs and bemoaning the Penguins/Crosby. We had a great year (2nd in the east, 2nd round of playoffs) and you try to create conspiracies, is it like this here all year long. Give the Penguins their due and MOVE ON. We have a great chance next year, look forward to it. This whole post turns my stomach, what babies most of you are. And, I can tell that not a single one of you has EVER "laced'em up" and played a single minute of organized hockey as none of you have any idea of what is clean/dirty or classy/unclassy. And to be brutally honest, dirty is the knee-to-knee Ovie but on Gonchar. He was remorseful in his interview because he knew it! It is a shame that you have to watch this great sport through conspiracy goggles. I feel for all of you and if you want, I have season tickets and would be glad to explain the game to anyone who asks. Get over it and look forward to next year.

Posted by: stop_it | June 16, 2009 7:38 AM | Report abuse

@stop_it: You have no idea how many of us have played competitive hockey. Your blanket statement makes you totally incorrect because I HAVE. The conspiracy theory is just a bunch of fans wondering where the level playing field is, and kept waiting for it to happen and it didn't. Not until the finals where most fans in the West feel the Red Wings get the same preferential treatment.

To point out Ovi's hit on Gonchar proves that you aren't a Caps fan because the Pens had two of the same type of plays (Cooke and Eaton I think) that went without a call. Cooke went flying through the high slot and hit Cole with a knee on knee when he didn't even have the puck. Ovi's was a borderline 5 minute major based on the rule but to call it dirty is ignorant. It would be interesting to see who you really are because you obviously selected a new screen name to submit your arrogant post. Oh, and "lacing them up" for a men's "C" league game doesn't qualify as organized hockey just because there are beer belly referees.

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 16, 2009 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Oh look, the summer trolls are out in force. AWESOME. It's definitely the off-season here.

Well, screw that. Hey guys, if you see this before 3 PM Tuesday Jun 16, hit this link for instructions on how to add your thanks and comments to the Bears for winning their 10th Calder Cup. They're going to run a commemorative section in the Patriot News in Harrisburg for the Bears tomorrow.

Posted by: kittypawz | June 16, 2009 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Fanohock1: You couldn't be more incorrect. Obviously, moron there are other "dirty" hits. The point being that these "fans" of this post are sitting back and only point to other teams as dirty or unclassy. The Caps, and do not call out my fandom, I have been here since the mid 80's, are just like every other team, trying to win the Cup... at all costs. I WISH I could play against you. I may not have been good enough to play professionally, I admit that, but do not underestimate the abilities of those you do not know.
MY Caps have a sunny and bright future, can you say the same for yours or are you just out to bi**h?

Posted by: stop_it | June 16, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

You claim to have been here reading all season. If you had been you would have seen by reading my posts that I am one of the biggest homers that always see the bright side of things when it comes to the Caps.

I bet people on this post when the Caps were down to the Rangers 3-1 that they would come back and win. I stood in front of the same seat that I sat in for 40 hockey games this season and cheered as time dripped off the clock during Game 7 against the Pens a month ago. I never bi''h about my Caps because I am one of those fans that have gone to see them play through the good and bad. It is awesome to see these guys getting this turned around because the final game of the 06-07 season against the Sabres was gut wrenching for all of us fans that attended. We had to listen to thousands of Sabres fans, in our own damn stadium, chant SEASONS OVER, OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

I was also at the playoff game that the Caps pulled Carey against the Pens, Olie (#2 at the time) came in and blew his knee out after 1 save. The Caps ended up losing game 6 7-1 and the series 4-3. Why do I bring up the painful history? Because I appreciate what we have here now. We have a true contender that needs a few tweaks and correct plug-ins from the Bears. I won't pretend to know who we need exactly, but I can tell you that I will be back in the same seats that have my butt inprints, all 4 seats. Thank GOD I was financially capable of securing those seats before other fans in the area decided they wanted in on the best game in town.

Calling me a moron was totally unnecessary. The hatred towards the Pens have definitely turned many Caps fans into bitter bitter fans. Like I said in my last post, fans from the West feel the Red Wings get away with calls too. Before the Pens/Red Wings series started my circle of hockey fans ended up making a call that ended up being dead on. We said the penalty calls would be even up, and when penalites became excessive it would be at a point when it would not impact the game. The end of Game 2, and the end of Game 5 were perfect examples of that.

Sorry, playing me now won't prove anything. I'm in my 40's, have had 3 knee operations, been rode hard and put away wet way too many times after a 20 year career in the military. I'll have to take your word that you are a good player.

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 16, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

With the recent trend of promoting AHL head coaches to NHL head coach positions, I wonder if Woods prefers staying at his "more visible" place in Hershey.

@fanohock: Had to admire Kolzig for wanting to stick around. After the fire sale, the young defense certainly made him show his age (and probably rapidly aged him). By the time we were finally decent again, he was in denial, thinking he was still a #1, when he was only of back-up quality. Still a class act.

Posted by: hockeyweasel | June 16, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

@hockeyweasel: Absolutely. I totally supported BB putting Olie on the bench once Huet came here and caught fire but Olie was still upset because as you said, I believe he still thought he was #1 quality. As a matter of fact Brent Johnson was playing better hockey than Kolzig when Huet came over. The Caps definitely showed him loyalty by not having him go to #3 during the playoffs and stretch run last season. It's too bad he left on such a sour note because if he is interested it would be nice to see him in the system as a coach or scout.

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 16, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

fanofhock: I apolegize for saying that, you are correct, it wasn't necessary. But I wasn't going to list every dirty or illegal hit to make my point, just that ALL teams do it. I only read this post not all year so I will take your word that you are positive. We need more fans like you to boost this team above the crying, name-calling that goes on. I am sorry, this post is a small sample of the posts and I shouldn't assume that all posts are like this. I still play/love hockey and hate that the complaining about refs and conspiracy theories is starting to rival the NBA!

Posted by: stop_it | June 16, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

@stop_it: You might want to understand that during the regular season, for the most part, the Capitals Insider is a very positive arena. You're popping in when there have been clear indications that something was not right with the refereeing and there hasn't been a level playing field with some of the calls that were "not seen".

fanohock1 provides rational insight on the game(s) and is worth reading. You might have jumped the gun when you called him a moron and accused him of b*tching.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | June 16, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Pittsburgh is getting pretty good at this victory parade stuff. But then, practice makes perfect.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09167/977634-61.stm#ixzz0IcZG3aQC&D

Posted by: sean1smith | June 16, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

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