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Another round of Caps cuts on the way

Morning Roundup

With Hershey's first on-ice practice scheduled for 10 a.m. Tuesday (per Tim Leone), there will be another round of cuts after two groups skate at KCI. The first practice is underway and the second should conclude around 1 p.m. Who should stay? Who should go?

Here are the players who are on the ice with the first group:

Ovechkin-Fleischmann-Knuble
Laich-Johansson-Semin
Chimera-Perreault-B. Gordon
King-Steckel-Bradley

Alzner, Carlson, Green, Miskovic, Nycholat, Poti, Sloan

Varlamov
Neuvirth

IN THE MINORS
While some Bears regulars are still in Arlington this morning, the rest are reporting for the first official day of training camp in Hershey. (Patriot News)

AROUND THE WEB
Several prominent Caps alumni participated in a benefit game for the Hagerstown Youth Hockey Association this weekend. (Journal News and Herald-Mail)

Can Alexander Semin be a 40-goal scorer again this season? (RMNB)

By Katie Carrera  | September 27, 2010; 10:35 AM ET
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Comments

Sure would have been nice if the alumni game had been posted prior to the event instead of after! I live in Hagerstown and had no plans whatsoever Saturday and would have been there. That just sucks.

Posted by: PhilR | September 27, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Can Semin score 40 again this season, uhh, yeah. He had inadequate centers and still scored over 40. I figure that the centers the Caps have for the 2nd line are an improvement over BMO and Belanger, so I expect more goals, actually. He may even get Fehr on the other wing, so that should also help with a physical net presence.

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS1 | September 27, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

So I had a thought...and I am sure certain "regulars" whose name I will not mention will shoot this down...but heck

We have over 5 mil in cap space, and that just seems like too much extra room...but maybe GMGM has a plan. I truly think our D will be improved from last season with the addition of carlson and Alzner...not saying I would be opposed to a true and gritty SAHD. but we also might need a 2nd line center. That center spot is WAY more crucial than another D man. We have so many possible players that could fill that spot...but none of them may work out...so maybe GMGM is waiting to see who settles there before he makes another aquisition. If we can fill that center spot with MJ,MP or flash then we can move for a top line defender. If not, then we have plenty of cash for a center. Without a solid center we could be giving up upwards of 70 goals. Therefore center is a priority over andother D

Posted by: capscoach | September 27, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

They better not cut Eakin and Hendricks before Tuesday's game...I want to see them play dang nabbit.

@JIMALLCAPS

He scored 40...not over :)

And yes, I agree with you, he should break 40 again. Maybe even 50 if the mystery 2C works well (please no Flash, please no Flash).

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 27, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

The question of whether or not MJ will be on the opening night roster keeps coming up. I can't wait to check him out in person against NHLers and prospects that have made it to the later rounds of cuts this week at Verizon.

Personally, I hope he just settles in as a quality 2nd or 3rd line center, even if not this year. If he is 2nd line center and it is only because we have one of the best in the NHL in Backstrom as 1st line here and MJ would be 1st line otherwise, we are screwed. I say that because we can't afford another Backstrom here in Washington. If MJ proves to be good enough to be a 1st line center he will be doing that in another jersey when his entry level deal is up. Here's to MJ being 2nd line center at best. That way we can retain his services for 3.5mil or less per year 3 years from now.

Posted by: fanohock1 | September 27, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

@capscoach

As tominsocal pointed out a few posts ago, there are quite a few teams that will have to do some last minute deals to get below the cap (ie devils, toronto, van, etc). I am hoping that GMGM is holding out for these to make a swap/steal. If not, having that available cap space could prove useful for mid season trades/deadline deals.

Ideally we would want our roster finalized way before the deadline, so that any new players can become acclimated to our players and system...kind of like Chimera's deal as opposed to the Walker, Corvo, Belanger deals.

We will know for sure though by the 6th. :)

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 27, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

SAOTI - you are correct sir. But his totals were not unusual, a spike year, out of the ordinary -- nuff said.

CC - sorry, I still see the most pressing need being a solid blueliner or two to pair with Green and Poti. The Caps did fine on offense with subpar centers last year. On defense and the PK, the lack of a rugged, smooth-skating, knock out your teeth defender cost the Caps in the playoffs, imho.

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS1 | September 27, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I agree, the more pressing need is a solid 1st pairing d-man...2C is a CLOSE second, but not so much for the scoring potential aspect as much as completing the second line "roles". Semin and "x-other wing" will score plenty with whoever centers. For reference, check last years stats. Our 2C needs to be someone who gets back on D, wins face offs, good puck movement etc. For an example on what NOT to do as a 2C, watch any clip of Flash playing 2C last year :).

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 27, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

@fanohock1 - re: MJ. It's a good problem to have, having a player so good you have trouble signing him. Behind him are Kuznetsov and Galiev, both of whom have legit aspirations to being top line NHL players. Backlog may be as big a problem. (And to think: GMGM is so bad at drafting that the Caps have too many top flight players..)

My feeling is that the Caps will move MP and Flash out of the pipes this year to clear up playing time for Mojo and Kuznetsov, and possible even Galiev further down the line (no rush on him).

Even Semin, good as he is, becomes part of the backlog. Since Semin is part of what helps bring other Russians here, I think they do try to hang on at a reasonable cap hit.

Posted by: RedLitYogi | September 27, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

It's true with did do well with mediocre 2nd and 3rd line centers, but a solid 2nd line center could also help the D...Flash can be horribly irresponsible on D, and a center needs to be better...I am not a flash hater and think it is POSSIBLE flash could learn enough over the next few weeks to become a serviceable center. I can't really blame GMGM for holding off on trades, b/c we really have no clue what we have in terms of D men and centers. I agree we should not wait until the deadline to make a move...BBs system takes time to get used to, but we should at least see what we have before we move.

Posted by: capscoach | September 27, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

BTW, is anyone else a little surprised that the Flyers may have both Zherdev and Lieno playing on their top two lines this year? Zherdev, in particular, is a sniper only. Their top three lines are small and skilled with only Richards and Carcillo having any "physical player" bona fides. I wonder how that shakes out for them..

Posted by: RedLitYogi | September 27, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I also agree that Flash could learn to be a much better center this year. He played last year and has had the entire off-season to train knowing that he will be a center this season. He may not become a good center, but I also think it is too early to dismiss it based only on his first run at playing center.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 27, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

capscoach,

Does that 5m in cap space include potentially 2 of Mackan, MP, AGordon, Beags? Or does that $ need to be backed out for two of them?

Posted by: Steve_R | September 27, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

@SteveR

if two of three MaJo, MP or A Gordon are kept up, there is about $4M in cap space.

Posted by: ThePat | September 27, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I hope they don't send Ovechkin down to The A. He's good. :)

Posted by: j3rockstar | September 27, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

I'm sure you heard about Redden getting sent down to the AHL.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/35289-Campbells-Cuts-Wade-Reddenstyle-demotion-sure-to-be-CBA-sticking-point.html

This(and Nylander and Huet, etc.) has a much bigger impact on escrow than the Kovy contract or contracts of that type. Where are the outcries of cap circumvention for this?

Posted by: sgm3 | September 27, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

quick poll...in 2012/13 both Green and Semin (assuming he is signed for next season) become UFAs...who do we keep...I tentatively vote for semin b/c we have such a strong offense that we don't need a guy like Green...but I also worry that Semin will forever be a headcase and it might eventually bite us in the butt.

Posted by: capscoach | September 27, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

capscoach -
That certainly is a tough one. Both players are game changers when they want to be. I think they both lay it all on the table this season. You don't think we could keep both? I couldn't see Green's people asking for much of a raise as his numbers have all but gone down.

Posted by: j3rockstar | September 27, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I just checked, they have all but gone UP. I am a moron and will sit in the corner and think about my dumbassness for a bit.

Posted by: j3rockstar | September 27, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

capscoach,

Gotta keep Green. He is by far the most dominant offensive D-man in the league. By a very wide margin.

Posted by: Steve_R | September 27, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

sgm,

What impact on escrow from waiving Huet, Nyls, Redden?

Posted by: Steve_R | September 27, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

rockstar...

But sending Ovechkin down could save us 8 million dollars in cap space...

Maybe we can sign Jagr for 12 million (the 4 we have, plus Ovechkins 8)?

lol...

Posted by: SoaringCaps | September 27, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

sgm: I agree, they should fix that the same as fixing the Kovy type deals. There should be a penalty with "send to minors." The Founding Fathers thought they had fixed this with buy-out rules, not envisioning a club sending to minors and paying entire salary just to avoid cap hit.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | September 27, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Steve_R: The sending guys to minors increases the actual total salary payout to players pool. Since players get a fixed percent, this makes all other players get a small amount less. Redden salary $7M over $1.5B players pool as a percentage could cost Ovi as example $42K. The problem is teams overrun the actual cap in payout due the guys in the minors thing.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | September 27, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

@Steve_R

but if carlson develops into even just a good (not great) offensive defensemen...why do we NEED Green? We already have to much offense. We have 3 lines capable of scoring.

Posted by: capscoach | September 27, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

IMO Green knows he has flaws on the defensive end, and will continue to improve his game. Last season he had a lull in points and people in here were all over him, but at the time he was, and said, he was concentrating on the defensive part of his game. He was becoming more physical too. In the middle of the lull he took the major and got suspended for his open ice hit he finished with an elbow. He is probably one of the best PP D-men in the league which are really very hard to find.

Posted by: fanohock1 | September 27, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

@Steve_R

The Rangers(and other teams for other players) are still paying Redden $6M/yr for the next 4 years at no cap hit. Which means their payroll will be significantly higher than the $59.4M salary cap. The league has rules that any amount payroll that goes over a certain amount(some relation to the salary cap) will go to escrow and not the players. This is taken as a percentage of each player's contract.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 27, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

tom,

wouldn't the teams spending the minimum offset that?

Posted by: Steve_R | September 27, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

SoaringCaps-

As much as I would LOVE that, Bettman would never allow us to lock Jagr up for more than 10 or 11 years. :(
Stupid, greedy Kovalchuk.

Posted by: j3rockstar | September 27, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

@capscoach

We keep both. Neither salary will go up in per year cost (much at least). Hopefully they sign Semin for 3-4 for $6.2per (tominsocals prediction of cost @ hometown discount). Green probably wont see much more per year dollars, just more years I would reckon...Im not sure on the comparables. He, assuming we keep doing well, will most likely want to stay too. We cannot forget there is a lot of togetherness/team unity here since they have all been playing with each other for so long.

We can save on their per year raises by replacing over paid 3rd/4th liners with youth from Hershey. They typically are half priced from the current ones on the roster.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 27, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

You have to keep Green. As much flack as he gets, he is a two-time Norris finalist. The guy is a very good player and is improving his overall play. Having a defenseman of his type is very important. Just think of how important Gonchar was to the Pens over the past few years.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 27, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I have seen some talk thata Redden may refuse to go to the AHL which would void his contract and make him a FA again. It is an interesting thought because he would have to walk away from the money he is getting from NY but could sign a smaller contract with a team that would actually use him so he could stay in the NHL. If he does that it would show how much he wants to play in the NHL while other player are just looking for the money.

Posted by: icehammer97 | September 27, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I really doubt we can keep them bothe for more than 2 yrs or so...how many teams have the equivalent in stardom to an ovi, backie, semin, and Green? we are pretty darn lucky.

Posted by: capscoach | September 27, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

@icehammer97

I'd be very surprised if Redden did that. I'm sure he does want to play in the NHL very badly, but $23M guaranteed is a lot of money to turn down. That could set up his family for a long, long time.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 27, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Datsuyk (sp?), Zetterberg, Lidstrom, and Franzen may be comparable BIG names on another team that has been able to keep the core together.

Posted by: PhilR | September 27, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

@sgm

but would his family really struggle with 10mil?

Posted by: capscoach | September 27, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

@capscoach

It's called hometeam discount, home team discount. It's not unheard of either, especially if the guys really do enjoying playing together, the system, the coach, the atmosphere, etc.

It comes down to, are they in it soley for the money or the love of the game. Having said that, if we win a cup or 2, you might see guys leave for money elsewhere. But I got a feeling currently, they want to stay and play here.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 27, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Judging by the history, McPhee is perhaps better off going with his draft picks and trades for younger minor leaguers Hershey then develops.

Because his NHL trades for veterans has netted a very mixed record. Last year deadline deals for Corvo, Walker, Jurcina and Belanger contributed little to the team during the playoffs and NONE of these players was retained from the offseason.

Michael Nylander has been in no-man's land for more than 2 years.

Jose Theodore was a playoff nightmare for the Capitals, wilting in Game 1 of consecutive playoff series over 2 years.

Viktor Kozlov wasn't much of a bargain given his salary when he was in Washington either.

So, you can look back at Sergei Fedorov as perhaps the best acquisition made over the past couple of years since the Caps turned their fortunes around and became a playoff contender.

And Ovechkin almost got down on two knees to plead for Fedorov, so I don't know if McPhee was going to do that deal on his own or got pushed a bit.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | September 27, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

This(and Nylander and Huet, etc.) has a much bigger impact on escrow than the Kovy contract or contracts of that type. Where are the outcries of cap circumvention for this?

Posted by: sgm3 | September 27, 2010 11:57 AM

sending a player to the minors (even one with a bad contract) requires waivers - which means you could lose that player - even more likely if you try and call him back and could still get stuck with 50% of his salary against your own cap.
it is a way to manage the cap - but i do not see their original contracts as circumventing the cap like the first kovi contract was.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 27, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

@Roy

you forgot knuble...he has worked out well...and I unlike some others likes Chimera

Posted by: capscoach | September 27, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

It's called hometeam discount, home team discount. It's not unheard of either, especially if the guys really do enjoying playing together, the system, the coach, the atmosphere, etc.

It comes down to, are they in it soley for the money or the love of the game. Having said that, if we win a cup or 2, you might see guys leave for money elsewhere. But I got a feeling currently, they want to stay and play here.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 27, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse


If BB is still here, Green would sign for a discount. If not, he will go elsewhere. Just my opinion.

Posted by: CTCapsPhan | September 27, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

We'll see how Chimera works out; I don't see that as decided at all. Knuble came over in the off-season and had a full camp with the team; Chimera came over late and played 15 (?) games. The first half of this season will tell the tale of how he fits in.

Posted by: saintex | September 27, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"it is a way to manage the cap - but i do not see their original contracts as circumventing the cap like the first kovi contract was."

Weren't the Kovylike deals also ways of managing the salary cap?

The Rangers(and other teams including the Caps) are paying a plyaer $6M that doesn't count against the salary cap. The initial Kovy contract's worst years were paying him $10.5M while only counting $6M against the salary cap. So only $4.5M more than the team was playing.

So the Rangers are paying $6M that doesn't count against the salary cap while, at worst, the Devils were spending $4.5 that didn't count. If the point of the salary cap was to limit how much a team spends on salary each year then this would seem to be just as blatant of a circumvention as the Kovy contracts. And just like the Kovy contracts there was no language in the CBA that made the moves illegal except the general cap circumvention statement.

The Devils just should have signed Kovy to a 17-year $102M deal paying almost exactly $6M per year. Then the Devils could have "assigned" Kovy to some rollerball team in whatever city Kovy wanted to live in. Then Kovy could have suffered a "concussion" in his first game and not play the rest of the season. So he could have just sat there and collected the rest of his $102M contract. So that would be okay?

Posted by: sgm3 | September 27, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Steve_R: yes, but all other things equal, paying money to players in minors (and that includes guys like Aucoin, too) means less for everyone else. So does LTIR money that puts teams over the cap amount in actual salary payout.

Bottom line: A $9M contract really isn't a $9M contract. It will in the end be +/- up to 10% based on revenues and actual payouts.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | September 27, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I believe we should institute, here on CI, the "Mister Ed Award" to anyone who beats a dead horse that is so dead, and has been so beaten, that it has been reduced to a cloud of dust.

"Wilburrrrrrr."

And the first recipient is sgm3 for 12:53 post.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | September 27, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Chimera played a lot more than 15 games. He came over much earlier than the trade deadline. December maybe?

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 27, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I believe we should institute, here on CI, the "Mister Ed Award" to anyone who beats a dead horse that is so dead, and has been so beaten, that it has been reduced to a cloud of dust.

"Wilburrrrrrr."

And the first recipient is sgm3 for 12:53 post

Posted by: tominsocal1

The second recipient is tominsocal1 for repeatedly talking about "beating a dead horse."

Posted by: sgm3 | September 27, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

BIG difference though that you are missing imo and most important...

Buried player isnt playing for the NHL team, Kovy is. So yes, by burying a player in the minors you are not having his salary count against the NHL roster cap...but then again, you are using his services. Kovy IS playing for the team and they arent paying $4.5 million that they should be. To me, that is a much bigger violation/circumvention. MUCH bigger.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 27, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

The second recipient is tominsocal1 for repeatedly talking about "beating a dead horse."

Posted by: sgm3 | September 27, 2010 1:02 PM

sgm3, please leave the humor to those of us that know what we are doing and are good at it.

Stick with what you are good at, inciting arguements with cstanton1 even though you both "agree to not post on each others comments". :)

And of course stats...which usually leads to the aforementioned other strength. Although there are some of us that dont mind the stats and find them informative.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 27, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

err in my above post..."you are using his services." should have been "you are NOT using his services."

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 27, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

So how do we think Ovie is going to play in his pre-season opener? I almost wish he would just play in the last game...it is scary to think he could get injured before the season starts...he thinks every game has to be fought hard.

Posted by: capscoach | September 27, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

"Buried player isnt playing for the NHL team, Kovy is. So yes, by burying a player in the minors you are not having his salary count against the NHL roster cap...but then again, you are using his services. Kovy IS playing for the team and they arent paying $4.5 million that they should be. To me, that is a much bigger violation/circumvention. MUCH bigger."

So you are saying it would have been okay if the Devils signed Kovy to that exact same 17-year $102M contract that was rejected if it was spread out over the 17 years. Then in year 11 or 12, when Kovy was getting worse and less effective(just like Redden and all others) the Devils "assigned" Kovy to some rollerball team in whatever city Kovy wanted to live in. Then Kovy could have suffered a "concussion" in his first game and not play the rest of the season. So he could have just sat there and collected the rest of his $102M contract. So that would be okay and not salary cap circumvention?

Posted by: sgm3 | September 27, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: sgm3 | September 27, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

In the "Semin over 40 goals" discussion way above, somebody mentioned "and he may even get to play with Fehr which could help his production."

I have also voiced my opinion that Fehr should be the RW on a line with Semin as LW along with Mystery Center. Several other people have also agreed with this general line of reasoning.

But I don't think we've been given any objective reason to believe such a thing will happen. From the constant practice lineup updates we get, it looks like BB is intent on keeping Laich as the 2nd line LW with Semin at RW, correct? Does anybody have any evidence whatsoever that the organization might consider Fehr for the 2nd line? I really hope somebody can dig up a quote from somewhere, or some practice configuration I don't remember seeing. My opinion is that Fehr has earned a shot at 2nd line while Laich has only shown that he can be adequate there. (BTW I am NOT anti-Laich in any way, love the guy but think his potential is maximized at 3rd line center.)

Posted by: struggler | September 27, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Caps signed Matt Hendricks to a one year deal....woohoo.

@cstanton might just have to compliment GMGM on this move

Posted by: ThePat | September 27, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat

Is it a one-way or two-way deal?

Posted by: sgm3 | September 27, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"Mister Ed Award"

i wish to nominate myself - for a yet to be determined 'dead horse' that i will undoubtedly beat well after it has turned to ash and blown away with the wind.
and if so nonimated - i promise to keep beating said horse - even after i have won the award. nothing will deter me - NOTHING I SAY!!!

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 27, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

@struggler

I agree with most of that except I would prefer Laich as 3rd line LW.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 27, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

my guess is its a two way deal...I wish it was a one way deal though because than you'd expect more movement to be coming.

Posted by: ThePat | September 27, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

My feeling is that the Caps will move MP and Flash out of the pipes this year to clear up playing time for Mojo and Kuznetsov, and possible even Galiev further down the line (no rush on him).
...
Posted by: RedLitYogi | September 27, 2010 11:37 AM
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The caps are stacked! There's no reason to rush a prospect... especially one from the most recent draft.

Kuznetsov will incubate in Q and then the AHL before getting a shot... same goes for Galiev.

MoJo might even go back to Sweden or do some incubating time in the AHL before sticking up in the NHL.

MP85 has put in his dues and is ready... sadly, so is Andrew Gordon and I don't think there's room... same goes for Beagle, Hendricks and Pinner...

I really hope some salary goes out before the season in the form of a 2 for 1 trade because man do some of the bottom 6 players look really good for the bottom 6.

Posted by: FrankM73 | September 27, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Good call on Chimera...for some reason I was thinking trade deadline. Man, I'm a STH and he was here for 39 games and I can't remember it being that long? Not much of an impression than...

Posted by: saintex | September 27, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Personally I think Green stays and Semin goes to KHL.

Posted by: bluejeener1 | September 27, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Semin breaks 45 this year. Possibly 50 if he gels with the center or gets Fehr on same line. Semin + Fehr = TheSuck Flash brings.

@sgm3

Dont be going all Cstanton1 on me and start with extremes and skewing for your favor. Kovy deal is wrong and we all know it. It is also not a "typical" contract. Most contracts per year and cap hit are closer in number. I'm opposed to any contract that is blatantly circumventing the cap. Paying someone $10 mil a year and only taking a $6mil cap hit, is just bs. ESPECIALLY when playing. Now if Kovy was getting say $8 mil per with a cap hit of $7-8 ish per...then come year 11-12 they decide to bury him...I could care less. Let them.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 27, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

BTW, anyone remember the old TV commercial I think with Kono and Niko at a diner?

Posted by: tominsocal1 | September 25, 2010 10:59 AM

@tominsocal1:

I do, I do...that would have to be my favorite Caps commercial from that era. Close second: Kolzig comes out to his front porch and blocks dozens of of newspapers thrown at his front doorway before the paperboy finally acknowledeges defeat and rides away.

I guess if you had to name one "downside" of ones favorite sports team being considered as "serious contender", is that a lot of the team's advertising gets so...well, you know...serious. I guess maybe it's because one of the unwritten axioms of sports marketing must be:

"If you can't fill the seats with a great team, at least get their attention with a laugh"

Case in point: Baseball Hall of Famer Billy Martin was brought in manage the struggling Oakland Athletics in 1981. In an effort to bolster lackluster attendance, the team's local TV ads of the time used a lot of humor to get people out to see not mere baseball, but "BillyBall"...

Posted by: Rhino40 | September 27, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Here's a link about the 2-way Hendricks contract as well as Willsie and Greentree on waivers, no surprise, we expected them in the minors but they couldn't just be assigned, they have to clear waivers.

http://www.csnwashington.com/09/27/10/Loose-Pucks-Caps-Sign-Hendricks/landing_v3.html?blockID=319236&feedID=274

Posted by: fanohock1 | September 27, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

And about Hendricks getting a contract...somewhere deep in salmon fishing country, there is the sounds of a man laughing and crying at the same time.

Laughters of joy, joy of seeing that someone he wanted get a contract. Crying, because he must now acknowledge GMGM made a good move. The world stays in balance yet again.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 27, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Man...I'm full of mistakes today... my "=" sign above was supposed to be a " > " sign in this equation...

Semin+Fehr > TheSuck that is Flash.

I weep.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 27, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

@FrankM73

Agreed - no need to rush. In my original post, I meant to say "after this season" which I do believe is true.

I'm hoping A. Gordon and Hendricks stay up but it seems they can't/won't cut any of last season's 4th liners.

@blue-jeener
Yes, with a breakout season, Semin might well find KHL only place that makes sense. But I think he'd stay for 6 mil per in DC. We can afford that. I can't see him working in any other NHL city except one of the LA teams, Buffalo, or the Rangers, and will either have room to give him a home run contract?

Posted by: RedLitYogi | September 27, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Frank, I agree - don't open the wine before it has a chance to age, don't open the Christmas presents before the appointed day, etc. (any more metaphors?). However, I'm hopeful that Kuznetsov sees some time in Hershey after the KHL season ends and starts next year in the AHL. Galiev looks a bit further away, although he does seem to have a knack for putting the biscuit in the basket.

Posted by: zmega | September 27, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Frank, I agree - don't open the wine before it has a chance to age, don't open the Christmas presents before the appointed day, etc. (any more metaphors?). However, I'm hopeful that Kuznetsov sees some time in Hershey after the KHL season ends and starts next year in the AHL. Galiev looks a bit further away, although he does seem to have a knack for putting the biscuit in the basket.

Posted by: zmega | September 27, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"Paying someone $10 mil a year and only taking a $6mil cap hit, is just bs. ESPECIALLY when playing. Now if Kovy was getting say $8 mil per with a cap hit of $7-8 ish per...then come year 11-12 they decide to bury him...I could care less. Let them."

What would the difference be. In both cases Kovy will collect his $102M and in both cases his salary cap hit would $6M each year for the 10 or 11 years he played. I find it odd that you consider one a cap circumvention and the other cap management even though the outcome of both would be identical.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 27, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Hendricks seems to be exactly the type of player we need at our disposal. At this point, we have too many 4th liners. It would be great to dump Steckel at this point.

So is MaJo #2. Doesn't he have to be? Does he go back to Sweden if he doesn't make the NHL club?

Posted by: underpants2 | September 27, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

rockstar...

But sending Ovechkin down could save us 8 million dollars in cap space...

Maybe we can sign Jagr for 12 million (the 4 we have, plus Ovechkins 8)?

lol...

Posted by: SoaringCaps | September 27, 2010 12:11 PM |

@SoaringCaps:

Apostate!
Heretic!!
BLASPHEMER!!!

Posted by: Rhino40 | September 27, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I believe we should institute, here on CI, the "Mister Ed Award" to anyone who beats a dead horse that is so dead, and has been so beaten, that it has been reduced to a cloud of dust.

"Wilburrrrrrr."

And the first recipient is sgm3 for 12:53 post.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | September 27, 2010 12:58 PM

@tominsocal1:

Are you sure we couldn't call that the "Eohippus Award", given to the most outstandiong beater of fossilized equines?

Just saying...

Das Rhino

Posted by: Rhino40 | September 27, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

SeminAllOverTheIce -
You're excited about the season starting...mistakes are made. You're good. Post on!!

Posted by: j3rockstar | September 27, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I think it would be interesting to know if MJ would be willing to start the season in the AHL if the club promised that he would get considerable playing time with the Caps later on during the season.

If Hendricks stays, and no other Cap in the top 21 is moved, it would mean Hendricks will be playing 3rd line or 4th line center for AGordon to make the roster. If Hendricks makes the roster and plays wing I can't see how AGordon makes the roster.

However, after the Belanger incident, I'm notsure anybody will believe any promise Caps management makes,

Posted by: sgm3 | September 27, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

The signing of BGordon becomes even more of a head scratcher and roster blocker as time goes on. Players like Hendricks, AGordon, Beagle, and Pinner are ready to fill in but there is only room for one of them unless someone gets moved or waived. I hope something happens so we don't lose the youth injection to remain status quo.

Posted by: PhilR | September 27, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Majo won't be going back. He has played 2 years in the SEL. From everything I have read he wants to be in North America this year, obviously the Caps if he has his choice. He won't have to clear waivers because of his age and being on an entry level contract.

Posted by: fanohock1 | September 27, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

If you dont see the difference, I have no idea how to draw it any clearer for you, but I'll try ONE last time. If you were paying someone $8 mil per year with a cap hit of $7 mil for years 1-10...and then bury the player at year 11+, you circumvented $10 mil in cap space. Stay with me now. Now if you paid a player $10 mil per year with a cap hit of $6 mil per year in years 1-10, then buried the player at year 11+ you circumvented $40 mil.

Now do you see the difference?

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 27, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

@fanhock1

But Majo just signed his contract in May that gave him an out clause to return to Sweden if he doesn't make the Caps roster. It doesn't mean he will go but I can't imagine he would've had the clause in his contract if he wasn't at least interested in returning for one more year if he didn't make the Caps roster.

Hopefully Majo changed his mind and will stay. But I am curious because I think his intentions will have an influence over who makes the opening night roster.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 27, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

SAOTI,

You are fighting an unwinable battle, the poster you are trying to convince is always right in his eyes.

Posted by: PhilR | September 27, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3...the Belanger comment is your second Wilbur"

Posted by: nimrodrsp | September 27, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

"If you dont see the difference, I have no idea how to draw it any clearer for you, but I'll try ONE last time. If you were paying someone $8 mil per year with a cap hit of $7 mil for years 1-10...and then bury the player at year 11+, you circumvented $10 mil in cap space. Stay with me now. Now if you paid a player $10 mil per year with a cap hit of $6 mil per year in years 1-10, then buried the player at year 11+ you circumvented $40 mil.

Now do you see the difference?"

You missed the point. Think for a second here. If Kovy signs a 17-year $102M contract. In Example A it is for $6M per year for all 17 years. In Example B it is for whatever Kovy's rejected contract was for, about $95M over the first 12 years.

In Example A, if Kovy players 11 years and the gets "assigned" for his last 6 years while sitting on a beach in the mediterranean while "playing" for a rollerball team(the plan all along), Kovy collects $102M for only service but his cap hit was only $6M when it really should have been over $9M. The $102M payment for those 11 years of service were just deferred.

In Example B, Kovy plays 11 year, he collects his $95M of money and then retires. During those 11 years Kovy only had a cap hit of $6M even though he was paid $95M.

So in Example A, Kovy gets $102M for 11 years of service at a cap hit of $6M/year.

In Example B, Kovy gets $95M for 11 years of service at a cap hit of $6M/year.

Are you able to see this? It isn't that difficult.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 27, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Their top three lines are small and skilled with only Richards and Carcillo having any "physical player" bona fides
--------

Did you forget about Scott Hartnell? How about Darroll Powe? He's a relentless checker and will end up playing a good amount this year. And JvR certainly isn't small or skilled either.

time to revisit that statement RedLit!

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 27, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

What happened to Belanger? Did I miss something? I heard his movers accidentally moved his stuff to Phoenix, AZ...so he signed there. :)

@PhilR
Hence I volunteered an explantion that stipulated ONE more time...basically saying, no more circles for me after this one.

Hey kids...Big Ben...Parliment.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 27, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

@nimrodrsp

I didn't know that we are going off the assumption that anything that happened in the past, that has been talked about on this post, has no effect on the future events.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 27, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

@SAOTI

Yes, no more circles for you because you finally were able to see the fault in your initial comments.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 27, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

SAOTI,

Great European Vacation reference, had me LOL at my desk so my co-workers are now staring.......thanks a lot!

And as I told you, he is ALWAYS right in his eyes.....see 2:36 post. Thta is why I just skip right on over most of those posts now, others at least can see anothers viewpoint.

Posted by: PhilR | September 27, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

sgm3:
you're trying to steal my "Mister Ed Award" - aren't you?!?!

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 27, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for this all, but I was mistaken...had to go one last one..

@sgm3

Even in your examples you prove my point.

Example A: Paid him $66 million total with cap hit in that time span $66 million.
A difference of $0. The player was being used, and the cap hit matched his salary, no circumventing during this period. In the later years HE IS NOT PLAYING, ergo I dont care if there is no cap hit and they pay him to retire because they paid the fair share while he WAS PLAYING.

Example B: Paid him $95 million total with cap in that time span $66 million. A difference of $29 million. The player was being used, however he was being paid $9 mil but only being charged on the cap as $6 mil. CLEAR circumvention. When they bury him in roller hockey, they cheated that $30 million since they werent charged for it WHEN HE PLAYED and are now not accounting for it.

The money after the bury years only matters if they werent charged equal salary/cap hit during the playing years. Again, in YOUR example, you circumvented $30 mil in cap space in Example B and 0 in Example A in the 11 years.

Wow you are thick.

Ok all, I'm done with his ignorance.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 27, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

@PhilR

Glad someone caught it. :P

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 27, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

@SAOTI

So you don't care if the money is deferred, as long as the money he receives is not during the 11 years.


Example A Kovy's contract is, in essence, a 11 years $102M contract that is paid over a 17 year period. How can you not see that? Are you really that slow. Your inability to grasp this is amazing.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 27, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

@SAOTI

If you are unable to see how Example A Kovy's contract is, in essence, a 11 years $102M contract that is paid over a 17 year period, I would love to do business with you someday.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 27, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

You are no longer worth my time. I find solace in the fact that your ignorance and stubbornness will prevent you from breeding. Yay Darwinism.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 27, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

@SAOTI

Says the person who is unable to grasp simple concepts.

Oh yeah, the link you didn't bother reading was an article written by Ken Campbell making statements that contradict your narrowminded view. And basically all others who have looked upon this disagree with you.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 27, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Will anybody else be happy when the dead horse that is the Ilya contract stops getting beat?

Posted by: Steve_R | September 27, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton01

>>Did you forget about Scott Hartnell? How about Darroll Powe? He's a relentless checker and will end up playing a good amount this year. And JvR certainly isn't small or skilled either.

Hartnell, yes, but he's smallish, and I think they've got Powe penciled in for 4th line duty. JvR, I've heard, is not a physical player (Fehr might be a good analog to him) despite his size. (BTW, I thought Flyers were nuts to let Upshall go - their hockey IQ seemed to plummet after that move...)

In the event, Lieno and Zherdev on lines 1 and 2 for the Flyers seems like a big change. Not unwelcome, though.

Posted by: RedLitYogi | September 27, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Um, Ville Leino was hands-down Philly's best forward last year in the playoffs - so, no I'm not surprised to see him in the top two lines; it'd be a surprise if he wasn't.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | September 27, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

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