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Posted at 7:32 AM ET, 12/ 7/2010

Mathieu Perreault shines in loss to Leafs

By Katie Carrera
Morning Roundup

If there was one bright spot in Washington's 5-4 shootout loss to the Maple Leafs Monday night, it was likely the play of center Mathieu Perreault. In his fourth game with the Capitals this season on his second call-up stint of the year, Perreault tallied the first two-goal game of his career and third multi-point game.

On his first shift of the contest he headed straight to the Toronto net, which he remained near until he tipped a shot by Tom Poti from the point past Jonas Gustavsson. In the second period, for his second goal of the contest, Perreault gained control of the puck in the left faceoff circle as part of a strong shift with linemates Brooks Laich and Alexander Semin. After plenty of time to take aim, Perreault fired into the top lefthand corner of the net to make it 3-1.

"I felt good [Monday]. It's just unfortunate that we came out with a loss here," said Perreault, who played 1:48 in the overtime session and got one of Washington's shootout tries. "It shows that they have confidence in me and can play me in big situations."

Said Coach Bruce Boudreau: "He brought great energy [Monday], like we thought. He made plays, like we thought. If some of the other forwards had played with as much energy as him, we wouldn't have been in the situation we were in."

What's crucial for Perreault at this stage to show he deserves to remain in Washington is consistency in following up this strong effort. Last year, during an 18-game stint, Perreault recorded six points in eight games but then just one in his final 10 appearances.

"Every time I get called up it seems like the first game, I'm flying," Perreault said. "Now it's just a matter of doing it every night."

Here's video of Perreault's second goal:

FROM THE POST
The game story: Washington can't snap a two-game skid as it blows a three-goal lead in the third period and then goes on to lose to Toronto, 5-4, in a shootout.

Check out Alex Ovechkin and Sidney Crosby joking around at a Vanity Fair shoot.


AROUND THE WEB
Wait, Ovechkin and Crosby were together in a room and the Vanity Fair story was only 290 words? (Puck Daddy)

Japers' Rink takes a look at the Caps' ups and downs this week.

The spin-o-rama that won it for the Leafs. (Globe and Mail)

By Katie Carrera  | December 7, 2010; 7:32 AM ET
Categories:  Mathieu Perreault, Morning Roundup  
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Comments

Leadership will sink us. Not George, Not Bruce...but Leadership on the ice.

We have all the pieces we need. Teams have won with less. There is no excuses outside the locker room.

The wrong messages are being sent when certain players are making the wrong decisions.

Stop blaming management. The money has been spent, the players have been brought in...it's now all on the players.

Crosby is doing it with Malkin...Oveckin has Semin, Backstrom and Green.

Posted by: SoaringCaps | December 7, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Caps just need to learn how to bring their "A" game to lesser teams....b/c as of now, there are only maybe 5-6 teams that can legitimately compete with us! Caps play these average and crappy teams without thinking and putting the effory necessary to sut them down.

All Right...all vented out. BB-give em heck at practice, and lets move on! No sense in dwelling any more on a dissapointing game. We have another shot to show we can actually play agaist a crap team on thursday. GO CAPS!

Posted by: capscoach | December 7, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

With a 4-2 lead and 3 minutes left in regulation you get the puck deep and make them work the length of the ice. Instead we forechecked all of the offense in an attempt to get Perreault his hat trick and it completely backfired. Next time play some defense and give the kid a shot on the empty net.

Posted by: cappies | December 7, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

With a 4-2 lead and 3 minutes left in regulation you get the puck deep and make them work the length of the ice. Instead we forechecked all of the offense in an attempt to get Perreault his hat trick and it completely backfired. Next time play some defense and give the kid a shot on the empty net.

Posted by: cappies

I don't think that's what happened. The problem was that in the last 7 minutes the Caps stopped forechecking and allowed Toronto to gain the redline easily. They sat too far back. They were trying to play more defensively and more responsible but failed in the execution.

The 2nd line forecheck near the end of the game may have been the only shift at the end of the game in which the puck was in Toronto's zone and not the Caps. The opposing team will have a tough time scoring when the puck is in their zone.

@Rainer1

I agree completely with your post in the previous thread. Well said.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

haha wow and these are Caps "fans" we go on a massive win streak last year and people are mad, we lose 3 in a row people are mad we win 2 games in a row but show no fight people are mad.

Well I love my Caps and I love that ovie, semin and yes even green have become more defensively aware. i love that ovie has more assits then goals. i love that semin is 3rd in the league in goals. i love that carlson is being a solid d man, i love that green is blocking shots and hitting bodies, i love that erskine and poti are scoring, i love that we got hannan, i love that a gritty guy like hendricks made the team, i love that neuvy and varly are splitting the #1 job....all in all. I love this team and everything it has changed from last season people say they haven't improved, they haven't changed....well i say to you...you will never be happy

C-A-P-S CAPS CAPS CAPS!!!!

Posted by: capsfan38

well said! It was a tough loss, but certain people on this board are never happy...when a Cup in the only way can be happy, you better be prepared to live a pretty miserable life...one team wins a year!

Posted by: capscoach | December 7, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Did people see what Mike Commodore said about reading blogs, sounds familiar:

“I gave up reading blogs. I don’t read any of that stuff anymore because it’s this never-ending (thing where) we win a couple of games in a row and everybody’s getting ready to engrave this team’s name on the Stanley Cup, and all of a sudden you lose two games in a row, and it’s fire everybody and trade this and trade that. That’s fine, that’s part of being a fan, and it makes for good topics for discussion, but I can’t read that stuff anymore. You can only block it out for so long before it becomes irritating.”

-Mike Commodore of the Colubmus Blue Jackets.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I'm not adding to the "panic" because it's way too early. It's only December folks, relax and enjoy the holidays.

Instead, who are the Caps going to call up now that Schultz is out 4-6 weeks?

Posted by: jwash4472 | December 7, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Horribly disappointing.

My biggest issue in the collapse was the MacArthur goal and Ovi watching. The team is already reeling clinging to a 4-3 lead, the puck is in the corner to Neuvy's left, there are four Caps and four Leafs digging to get it out - the only two players not there are MacArthur whose behind the net and Alex who's 12-15 away in front of the net. There's no defenseman on Alex's point that he needs to watch. Nothing. Dude has got to get lower and cut off the crossing pass or knock someone on their arse. That was horrible play on his part.

That's it. I've over it now. Florida on Thursday,

Missing Schultz for 4-6 will hurt a lot. Schultz haters, standby for misery.

Posted by: saintex | December 7, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

that is to Neuvy's right...

Posted by: saintex | December 7, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

if the Caps were a basketball team, they would be near the bottom of the league in points allowed from the paint.

they have no defensive intimidator/shot blocker who would alter the shots.

Posted by: joek443 | December 7, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Noticed comment(s) about leadership on the ice. Watching Ovie last night was an eye-opener. It might be sacriligious, but Ovie is part of the problem, in my opinion. He does not work hard enough and it trickles down to the others. I think it was Toronto's third goal where Ovie was "helpful" in not getting the puck out of the zone, and Toronto went on to score. Start watching him off the puck and you will see that maybe, just maybe, Milbury has a point or two.

When it comes to the playoffs, the Caps will lose in the early rounds again, and you can look back to these 3 goal gimmees. They will be up by a couple goals, then the opponent will score one by outworking us. THEN our Caps will get scared that they will do what they did A LOT during the season, giving up leads. THEN it will happen.

Last vent: When watching Ovie, and his lack of overall hustle, wonder to yourself if it would be best to trade the guy for a bunch of hungry, active stars .....

Posted by: justaguy43 | December 7, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

lose to the leafs at home... lol... notice the sid the kid bashing has stopped since he has left ov circling in his dust

Posted by: wendel2 | December 7, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

lose to the leafs at home... lol... notice the sid the kid bashing has stopped since he has left ov circling in his dust

Posted by: wendel2

How insightful. LOL. When has anyone recently bashed "Sid the kid?" Nobody here, except for BigGameSid, cares what the Pens are doing. Bigger problems exist, if you couldn't tell. But thanks for the observation.

Posted by: LloydChristmas | December 7, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

HI WENDEL2!!!!

Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

As a Toronto-based Caps fan, that was a painful conclusion to an otherwise good game by the Caps. I am getting an earful from friends and colleagues today - I imagine it's worse from the players. Interesting timing though giving the start of filming for 24/7... I'll be curious to see the footage surrounding this game & postgame.

a couple thoughts:
-Chimera has consistently chased pucks down by using his speed, streaking along the wing. Seems to happen every game. He has nullified many icings and created a few chances/goals. I think this will be a big bonus in the playoffs.
-DJK was impressively disciplined last night. He took very short shifts and changed lines at smart times (while cycling in Leafs zone). He definitely seems to know his role. But I would like to see him a land a few more punches in his fights

Posted by: PSD1 | December 7, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

@Just A Guy...

I couldn't agree with you more...Ovechkin is the best player in the world. However, he is a terrible leader, and his lazy play and lack of showing up for "optional" skates is why this team shows signs of trouble ahead.

Semin follows suit. Again, 2 of the most skilled players in the game...

It would be unreal to trade Ovie for a few young hungry Canadians/North Americans who have the overall passion to do ALL the little things...

However, we will never trade Ovie. I just wish he would start doing the little things and get more hungry...

Posted by: SoaringCaps | December 7, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

"lack of showing up for "optional" skates is why this team shows signs of trouble ahead."

Seriously? That makes no sense whatsoever. Ovie and the Caps played very well right out of the gate and for the first 50 minutes. The morning skate is supposed to loosen you up so you are prepared to play from the opening second. A morning skate has no benefits on how they play at the end of the game. If anything, the Caps showed that the morning skate is useless as they can out more than prepared to start the game.

"It would be unreal to trade Ovie for a few young hungry Canadians/North Americans who have the overall passion to do ALL the little things..."

Thank god you are not the GM.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

A 2 game losing streak in December and people want to trade the world's best hockey player. Unreal...

Posted by: rademaar | December 7, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

saintex: The real question is why the coach would put Ovechkin out in the last minute. Shouldn't we have our checking line on the ice?

Oops, we don't have one.

Seriously, I'm not as bummed as others. I see even CapsFan75 was chugging goat's blood. The Leafs got some shots and scored. It happens. But, it is an alarming thing this year the goals Caps allow in 3rd period.

As good as this team is, Boudreau has lots of work to do. And, despite his detractors, do you suppose we missed Jeff Schultz?

Posted by: tominsocal1 | December 7, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

SGM...

It's the example he is setting.

You know...all I want is 1 stanley cup for the caps before I die.

I am not saying it's over this year, I just would like to see some adjustments FROM THE PLAYERS...

Everyone wants to blame George and Boudreau..how about blaming the players.

Ovie and Semin can be the laziest players on the ice for long periods of time...then, they can be the most talented.

So, what's the problem? Why do they take shifts off?

I agree, the morning skate is useless, so never have one...but when the coach says it's optional...and OVIE 99% of the time CHOOSES THE OPTION TO NOT COME...it's a bad message. Because Semin is always right behind him...and it's not because they carpool.

Say what you like...but Leadership on the ice is our weakest link...

Laich, Knuble, Green, and Erskine would demand more suitable Captains.


Posted by: SoaringCaps | December 7, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Classic Choke!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | December 7, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

@rademar
He aint the best in the world.. lots of talent but a rapidly deteriorating work ethic and passion is flickering...just win baby..........

Posted by: wendel2 | December 7, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

do you suppose we missed Jeff Schultz?

Posted by: tominsocal1 |

Yes I do.

Also, the Ovie line was on for the last goal because there was an icing and BB couldn't switch lines.

People should also remember that Poti is incredibly rusty with all of his missed time and that Hannan has only played a few games here and is still learning to play with his new D partners.

@SoaringCaps

The Caps, as does every team, need to continue to make adjustments and improve on their weaknesses along with their strengths. It is a process that it is supposed to peak in April, May and June. Not December.

The Caps team is trying new things out this year, so it is unfair to say "well it failed last year so it will fail this year"(I know you didn't say that but others have). Let the process work out and lets see where they are at in April. Either way, we can't do anything about it anyway so there is no reason to get upset about it.

In addition, just because they aren't captains doesn't mean that Laich, Knuble, Green and Erskine can't provide the exact same leadership in the locker room that they would with a C on their jersey. They aren't prevented from doing so just because they don't have a C on their jersey.

I thought what Ovie did after scoring the goal and going over to DJK in the penalty box was great leadership. That is the sort of thing that gets the team together.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Listen folks, I can admit when I make mistakes.

I take full responsibility for last nights loss. I didn't tune in to the game until late in the 3rd. Caps were up 4-2, and as soon as I turned it on the Leafs got those 2 goals. Had I just kept doing work and not watched the game- it's pretty obvious they would have held the lead and won.

Apologies.

(And I'm actually being like 3/4 serious)

Posted by: Fro_2 | December 7, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

SGM...

I didn't say scrap it. And I STILL feel we are the team to beat.

AND, I am not nervous, angry, or upset about losing games.

Obviously it didn't bring the team together when Ovie did that, because TOR scored the next 3 goals.

What it probably did was make the guys laugh at Ovie's theatrics and become unfocused.

Ovie's a showman...not a Captain. Sorry, you won't convince me.

But I still want to see him raise the cup in June...

Posted by: SoaringCaps | December 7, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Would you all stop with "Ovie's the best player in the world"? I'm a Caps fan and love Ovie but I also know my hockey and I am a realist... the best player in the world is in Pittsburgh, period.

Posted by: atybat | December 7, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Crosby and Ovechkin play different positions and have different sets of tools. I don't compare them straight-up any more - I wouldn't compare Ovi to Nick for the same reason. Crosby is the best center in the world and Ovi is the best LW. When comparing them within their positions, I do think Ovi is significantly better than the next best LW. Crosby's distance isn't as great from the next center because I think there are loads more centers that are really good: Datsyuk, Sedin, Backs.

Posted by: saintex | December 7, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Was at last nights game...some observations:

1. Scott Hannan is ok. He took down someone by the face (MacArthur) with no penalty. He does seem a bit slow at times. It beats Poti/Sloan etc

2. OT - it was OV & Backs, Semin & MP double shifting except once when he threw out Knuble & Laich. Clearly, both OV&Backs, and MP & Semin were exhausted midway/end of OT. We supposedly have all this depth, let's use it.

3. Mike Green - plays like he thinks he's pretty good...if you know what I mean. He coughed up the puck on the sidewall a number of times simply by playing "fancy" vs. just getting the puck up the boards or to someone. Boudreau plays him all the time, regardless of his play.

4. Depth - Ted touts depth on his blog, we talk about depth from Hershey...yet when games tighten up, Boudreau tightens up and only the superstars see the ice. He's not an elite coach and fails to understand what personell he should leverage to help shut down other teams.

I would still tinker with this roster, and if I could get the right kind of deal for a Semin / Green, I would seriously consider making those trades.

Posted by: Jaymagz | December 7, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

"Obviously it didn't bring the team together when Ovie did that, because TOR scored the next 3 goals.

What it probably did was make the guys laugh at Ovie's theatrics and become unfocused.

Ovie's a showman...not a Captain. Sorry, you won't convince me."

I disagree. The Caps continued to play great after Ovie's goal and dominated the play the rest of the period. They then continued to do so and then played poorly the last 5 minutes.

To think that the Caps players played poorly late in the 3rd period because Ovie tapped the glass is ridiculous. Those sort of actions generate immediate energy, which was more than apparent with the Caps play the rest of that period.

To conclude that the Caps played poor in the end of the 3rd period because of that is about equal to Fro's conclusion that turning on the game is what caused the Caps to lose(I know you are joking Fro). If anything, Fro's turning on the game may have had more of an effect. That's how little effect Ovie's tap on the glass had on the play in the end of the 3rd period.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

One word for all of the people discussing the best player in hockey. STAMKOS

I'm a Caps fan (since '82 and living in CT) and have to admit, Ovi is the third best in the league behind Stamkos and Crosby.

Posted by: jwash4472 | December 7, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

@Jaymagz

I think you should read the Mike Commodore quote about reading blogs, it describes you perfectly.

“I gave up reading blogs. I don’t read any of that stuff anymore because it’s this never-ending (thing where) we win a couple of games in a row and everybody’s getting ready to engrave this team’s name on the Stanley Cup, and all of a sudden you lose two games in a row, and it’s fire everybody and trade this and trade that. That’s fine, that’s part of being a fan, and it makes for good topics for discussion, but I can’t read that stuff anymore. You can only block it out for so long before it becomes irritating.”

-Mike Commodore of the Colubmus Blue Jackets.


Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line on last nights game. Good teams win games consistently when up 4-1. Teams that think they are better than they are will blow the lead more than they should. This team really still has no killer instinct. They tend to play arrogant and coast.

The last 10-12 minutes were awful. Semin kept trying to set up MP for the hat trick when that line was out there. BB dropped MaJo to the 4th line and moved Boyd Gordon to the 3rd line for no reason considering MaJo was having a pretty good game. Ovi was beyond lazy on the second goal.

The good teams play as a team all the time, the Caps play as a team half the time and individuals the other half. That doesnt work.

Posted by: ThePat | December 7, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

sorry, but no one here has ANY CLUE as to what Ovie or any other players work ethic is! I know you all THINK you do based on the fact that Ovie doesn't always do the morning skate (which is not a practice) and often times opts out of an optional practice....

well guess what...he is going to do WHATEVER is best for his game. If he is nursing an injury and would be better served resting it then thats what he'll do...even if he is fine...he knows what he needs to help his game. You all have no clue

I know half the people here think GMGM and BB are spineless esp. in regards to OV, but if there were a work ethic problem they would deal with it! If they really thought he needed to be at a practice they would have him come. He is probably not the best capt., but all the players are adults and he hasn't done anything so bad that it would affect the team...these players can be responsible for themselves...ov doesn't have to hold their hand. His job is to represent the team on the ice, talk to the coaches, and lead team meetings.

And that last goal was just a super play...he faked out everyone not just Ovie.

Posted by: capscoach | December 7, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Trading OVI sounds like the most insane thing I have ever heard of. Trading Semin and Green sounds perfectly irrational. I agree they need something and they seem to miss the killer instinct. The owner of the team putting his ineviatble champion marketing strategy probably hurts the team. Sure it fills up the seats and creates buzz but one has to wonder if the players start believing the hype. I think Ted is a great owner but sometimes I wonder about putting these kind of packaged expecatations on your employees. Keep these guys somewhat humble and hungry.

Posted by: pkme | December 7, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Obviously it didn't bring the team together when Ovie did that, because TOR scored the next 3 goals.

What it probably did was make the guys laugh at Ovie's theatrics and become unfocused.

Posted by: SoaringCaps

That wasn't anything to do with showing off. It was OV paying respect to DJK for sticking up for him.

Posted by: jdove80 | December 7, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

No need to panic until April. These games are window dressing...still, classic choke.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | December 7, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

The good teams play as a team all the time, the Caps play as a team half the time and individuals the other half. That doesnt work.

Posted by: ThePat

no team does it all the time but I get your point...Caps have to play smarter this is true, but we were kicking butt this time last season and look where that got us! Maybe a few speed bumps will work in our favor. It is obvious we have the talent and ability to win...come spring, hopefully everything will be coming together.

The truth is...this is my team, through thick and thin, so while I do constructively critisize and of course hope for improvements...I refuse to have such a negative attitude that I am blind to all the good things this team has done. To not be able to see that this is a fun,excitng, and talented team is sad. To only care about the cup is even kind of sad! One team will win the cup this season...if it is not the caps I will curse and moan for a few hours or a day, but then I will put it in perspective that they play a game and it was a fun season.

Posted by: capscoach | December 7, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

i think MP85 is the personification of intangibles that the Caps' "superstars" seem to lack right now. I don't see unabashed determination (like MP85 has) and I see guys that seem to believe they have been annointed to win the Cup. Sure, MP85 will give all he has for 3 to 5 games and then be done, but the guy is out there playing with everything hanging out. I would like to see the superstars bring half that to their game.

Posted by: doughless | December 7, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

What the team, and I've been posting this since last March, is a checking line.

You need three forwards to put out there when you're up by one goal with one minute left.

Look at baseball. End of the game, they take out the sluggers and put in the closer and the good fielders to wrap up the game. Trying to get a hat trick late in a game is absurb.

Without a shutdown checking line, you can never win 12 let alone 16 in spring.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | December 7, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I refuse to have such a negative attitude that I am blind to all the good things this team has done. To not be able to see that this is a fun,excitng, and talented team is sad. To only care about the cup is even kind of sad! One team will win the cup this season...if it is not the caps I will curse and moan for a few hours or a day, but then I will put it in perspective that they play a game and it was a fun season.

Posted by: capscoach

Well said

Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

OT - it was OV & Backs, Semin & MP double shifting except once when he threw out Knuble & Laich. Clearly, both OV&Backs, and MP & Semin were exhausted midway/end of OT. We supposedly have all this depth, let's use it.
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Probably the best point I've seen made since that disappointing loss last night [at the other end of the spectrum was the "let's trade Ovie for a bunch of hungry Canadians" line some genius recommends] - 4-on-4 is hard enough, never mind after playing 18-20 minutes of NHL-level hockey, and a pretty physical one to boot.

MJ's young and can fly [and responsible in his own end], put him out there with Knuble or Laich or Chimera; just mix it up a little and give those guys a half-minutes to recover.

I disagree [strongly] that Ovie's not a hard worker; however, I can't see how he wouldn't be out of gas sometimes given the minutes he plays and the full two of every single PP. I know the guy's in great shape but he is still human.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | December 7, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I don't see unabashed determination (like MP85 has) and I see guys that seem to believe they have been annointed to win the Cup.

please! after what happened last season? They are learning...much slower than all of you have patience for, but don't pretend you are inside their heads. They have a killer instinct issue for sure! but to think that they are sitting there thinking the cup is theirs and all they need do is hold out their hands is ludicous.

I didn't see a lazy game...I saw a team fall back on their heels and stop playing right. the effort was there...the focus was not.

Posted by: capscoach | December 7, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

@sgm3

Actually no, it doesn't describe me perfectly, because I've been posting on the Caps boards and more recently here for over ten years. I've been critical of McPhail as I'm not aware of any GM in the league who could somehow manage to last as long as McPhee with the record he has over 12+ seasons.

I've seen the "Butch" Cassidy experiment, Doig, Kiwi, Gruden and Ciernek share ice with Jagr and Oates. I've seen Hanlon unable to coach his way out of a wet paper bag, I've seen the 4 year plan, and the sell-off, and the rebuild and the same play-off results.

Semin is a talented enigma. Nobody questions his talent, but he's a bit of a headcase and in final year of his contract. Green - just go to his www.greenlife52.com website and that tells you what you need to know about him. Again, if Green is so talented, why couldn't he crack the Team Canada Olympic roster? He's an offensive defenseman, and dynamic skater, but he's a defensive liability.

I will call it like I see it, and as everyone mentions on here, the dominant teams (see Patriots last night), don't allow the 28th place team to come back from a 3 goal deficit.

I look forward to seeing your comments when we play the Flyers or Pens or freaking Atlanta in the first round of the play-offs.

Posted by: Jaymagz | December 7, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

@capscoach

I think this team is fun and talented team to watch. But that has no bearing on what how I view the team as a whole. I think this team has a lot of work to do and saying the regular season doesnt matter is BS, especially considering the same issues are still here that have been here the last two years. Have they improved the PK and Defense, yes. Is it where it needs to be no, but it can get there. It's been 3 years and they still don't have a killer instinct and to me that is sad as it is not something hard to develop. They should be playing just as hard if not harder when up 4-1 then they did to get to that point. Instead this team mails it in quite frequently when they get there. Do they lose all the time bc they do that no. But it is a bad habit and bad habits creep up in April if they aren't fixed. I recognize they have time to but if they dont by February than I will worry.

I respectfully disagree with your statement that only caring about the cup is sad. That is what every player steps on the ice for. It is every players and fans dream to have their team win the cup. So yes as a fan for 25 years I am at the point where that is all that matters to me. I still go to all the games and want them to win, but the bottom line is the Cup is all that matters.

End ramble, hope it was coherent, haha.

Posted by: ThePat | December 7, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

I agree the Caps need a better checking line(hence my call for John Madden this offseason).

I still think a possible solution would be to have BGordon (who is a good checking line center when healthy as he can win faceoffs, is good along the boards, and is positionally sound) with Chimera or maybe even Hendricks at LW and then have Knuble at RW.

This would require having Fehr playing on the top 2 lines(will probably not happen this year), but I think Knuble is best suited for 3rd line play now along with PP time.

That would be a line that is good along the boards, all players being positionally sound and defensively responsible, a top notch faceoff man, some good size and speed(if Chimera is on it) to get puck in the opposing teams zone.

The players are not perfect, but that would be a pretty good checking line in my opinion.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

capscoach:

didn't say i was in their head, just what i observed. "they are learning"...is that what you call the 3rd period last night?? this team seems particularly prone to falling back on their heels and then stop playing right. it is like a broken record. that said, better to do it now.

Posted by: doughless | December 7, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Fehr is trade bait.

Posted by: doughless | December 7, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

@Jaymagz

What does your length of being a fan have anything to do with Commodore's comment describing you perfectly? Judging by your comments(which is what Commodore was talking about) you fit that description perfectly.

Are you saying that just because Green didn't crack Team Canada's roster that he isn't good? Those players on team Canada's roster were very good and those defenseman on that roster may all be better than Green overall. That doesn't mean he isn't good though.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I woke up this morning, the snow was falling and the world was turning. Quite frankly, missing ****55 for the next few weeks might be the best thing to happen to this team. Time to overcome the adversity and come together.

It's amazing what a good, physical, nasty game can do to team unity and WE MISSED THE BOAT IN A BIG WAY last night. Players should've rallied around DJK and Ovi last night, but after going up 4-1 they decided to mail it in INSTEAD OF KICKING TORONTO IN THE TEETH WHEN THEY WERE DOWN. I'm convinced they didn't try to make TORONTO'S WHOLE TEAM PAY for Orr's transgression (god, i love orr) because we're INCAPABALE of competing in that style of game. (Now do people understand the value of King? Where was Hendricks/Bradley last night? Nowhere to be found because, as i said yesterday, both would've risked SERIOUS PHYSICAL DAMAGE tangling w/Toronto's bangers.)****55 wouldn't have made a difference last night, sorry to inform everyone.

I wrote last night that Toronto won because they played their hearts out FOR EACH OTHER and THEIR COACH. Let's see, how do the Caps not do those things?:
****55 fails to support Ovi in Dallas, nobody showed support for DJK after his beatdown because, well, THEY WERE SCARED THE SAME WOULD HAPPEN TO THEM. (just 2 recent examples, I could think of more for sure). They don't play for their coach BECAUSE HE LETS THEM DO WHAT THEY WANT and clearly EXHIBITS FAVORITISM. I've railed about how BB's statements and actions undermine the value of hard work, dedication, and commitment to winning....DOES EVERYBODY SEE WHAT I MEAN NOW?

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 7, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"I respectfully disagree with your statement that only caring about the cup is sad. That is what every player steps on the ice for. It is every players and fans dream to have their team win the cup. So yes as a fan for 25 years I am at the point where that is all that matters to me. I still go to all the games and want them to win, but the bottom line is the Cup is all that matters."

@ThePat

This isn't meant as a criticism, just a question.

Are you saying that you get no joy out of watching the Caps play and will only be happy if they win the SC? That seems like a lot of time and effort put into something that is supposed to be entertainment.

Yes, you are right that every player dreams of winning the SC. Winning it is the pinnacle of their profession. But that is their PROFESSION. They get paid money to put forth so much time and effort to it.

We are fans. Sports is entertainment. Entertainment is meant to be interesting and to provide happiness, not to generate anger. I don't see why a person would pay money and devote such time and effort into something that they know makes them angry most of the time. I watch the Caps because I am entertained and have fun watching them. If they left me angry, whether they won or lost, then what would be the point. Such as if the Caps got to the SC Finals and lost. I would enjoy all the wins they had and have fun watching. After they loss I would be disappointed but it wouldn't take away from the fun I had watching them win during the regular season and playoff games, no matter how few games they won.

Again, this is not meant to be critical at all. I am just curious because I honestly do not get it.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

SGM,

Not sure if you watched the beginning of the second period, but we got dominated for about 5 or 6 minutes, leafs just didn't put the puck in the net. This team lacks heart and I think it starts with the coach. I'm not going to quit being a fan since I've been one for 25 years, but I'm not expecting much come playoff time unless they make some moves.

Posted by: CAPSHOCKEY2 | December 7, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Not to speak for Jaymagz, but I didn't read his comment as saying that Green isn't talented; clearly he's that. But, to see his minutes and the treatment he gets from BB and GMGM, they act like he's unquestionably one of the top 2-3 d-men in the league, no dispute. Talent-wise he may well be, but clearly not all GMs, and good ones [Stevie Y] at that, don't see it quite the same way as Caps' mmgmt.

The larger point for me is though, whether he deserves to be or not, is he really at his most effective when he's out there for 28+ minutes every game, and the full two of every single PP, every time. I am a strong proponent of having players earn their ice time, a coach's loyalties notwithstanding. And I'm not talking a drastic reduction, just give the guy a breather every now and then, so he's not exhausted when we really need him at crunch-time.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | December 7, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

@sgm3

I enjoy going to the games and watching them play. But the bottom line is do they win a championship when they have the talent to do so. At the end of the season if they dont win the Cup yes I will be pissed off as should any one that is a fan of the team.

Question for you:
What is the highest level of athletics that you have taken part in? And have you ever coached kids at the high school level or higher?

Sports is not just entertainment for me, it is a passion of mine.

Posted by: ThePat | December 7, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

On a positive note, MP played great and I think he's here to stay this time.

Posted by: CAPSHOCKEY2 | December 7, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

@capshockey2

MP played well, but he does this every first game he is called up. So Im not sure he is here to stay. Has to do it over 8-10 games to prove he can be here in my opinion.

Posted by: ThePat | December 7, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Last night's game had Lyle's name written all over it haha. Choking Dogs!

Posted by: LloydChristmas | December 7, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Vermoncaps
leave schilz alone. He is not the problem. You really are piling it on and beating the guy up. He is the player he is and will continue to be that player. Not every one can be Pronger and Stevens. You must be related to Erskine. i like many of your opinions but you really are off on this one. Folks lets just enjoy the team and keep expectations low and may be we will be pleasantly surprised. If you expect disappointment it will not hurt as much. the Caps have a huge problem at the Center position. Look at the teams that win Cups. They are stronger at the Center position than The Cap.

Posted by: pkme | December 7, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

@ThePat

Yes, I played sports at the D-1 collegiate level. I enjoyed playing sports immensely. But watching other people play sports as entertainment and playing sports is different. When you are playing, you are actually competing and can control the outcome of the game.

I don't get why I should be pissed off if the Caps don't win the SC. I will be disappointed for about a day if they get eiliminated in the playoffs, then I move on.

I am a big fan and love watching the games, but I have never seen how getting angry over something is good.

I know you are passionate, but if you get almost no joy out of something you devote so much time to but yet have no control over, I don't see the point in being passionate.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

when did I say I get no joy out of watching the games? Apparently you like to make up stuff a little too much.

And so getting angry over something has never done you good? You need to learn how to channel your emotions better than buddy. Sometimes being angry can be a very good thing, you should know that if you have played D1 sports.

Posted by: ThePat | December 7, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

If I do not read another post about Ovie missing an optional practice, I can die a happy man. The guy gets slashed and hacked every game and plays balls to the wall hockey for 20+ minutes/night. He is consistently among the league leaders in hits (he had over 100 more hits than Crosby last season). That is what he brings to the table that a lot of other elite players do not (and vice versa).

Everyone in that locker room knows how Ovie plays and they do not care if he misses an optional practice - so why should any of you? Knuble misses morning skates the day of the game all of the time and opts out for optionals as well. He is a ~15+ year NHL veteran, one of the most important leaders on the team, and is obviously someone who respects the game. I know no one on this message board has played in the NHL for ~15+ years so just drop this optional practice criticism for God's sake.

One other point and I know this will dilute my argument and you will incorrectly call into question my knowledge of the game against your own, but do you people watch football? Most teams do not run practices until Wednesdays so that players' bodies can recover from the trauma. Ovie plays more like a football player and thus, needs the recovery time to play at a consistently high level and avoid injury/execessive wear and tear.

Posted by: Cherno | December 7, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

@pkme

I LEFT ****55 alone

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 7, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

sgm3:

you enjoy it your way. in general, fans get angry when teams don't meet expectations. do youself a favor and get a dose of the real world. if you think folks here are unique in getting POed about lackluster play by their favorite team, make a stop at 106.7 and listen to the Sports Junkies in the morning. seriously, "disappointed for one day" if the Caps don't win the Cup?? get some passion.

Posted by: doughless | December 7, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

@dougless

I understand that there are more than a few people out there like that. I understand that they are passionate.

But my question is, if it makes you so miserable why are you passionate?

If you do not have any friends or family who are involved with the team, then why are you passionate about something that makes you miserable?

Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

What everyone seems to overlook is that the Caps were fortunate the Leafs didn't have more than one goal heading into the third period. While the Capitals are being pushed to the extreme outside, forcing them to take shots at a 15-degree angle, the Leafs time and again had shots from dead-center of the ice 20 feet out. The Defense completely sloughs off the puck carrier to cover someone else. There were times last night where you could tell even the Toronto player was surprised he was so wide open in the middle. That's probably why they missed the shots.

Posted by: redhotCAPSaicin | December 7, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

@Jaymagz

What does your length of being a fan have anything to do with Commodore's comment describing you perfectly? Judging by your comments(which is what Commodore was talking about) you fit that description perfectly.

Are you saying that just because Green didn't crack Team Canada's roster that he isn't good? Those players on team Canada's roster were very good and those defenseman on that roster may all be better than Green overall. That doesn't mean he isn't good though.
__________________________________________

My lenghth of time as a fan is simply to show you that I've consistently commented on the team and I'm not someone who just showed up when the Caps started winning. I don't come on and post garbage when they lose, or laud the positives when the win. I've been consistent in my criticism and I'm entitled to comment on what I observe as failings of the team/coach/management.

I lauded the Knuble pick up, and letting Fedorov, Kozlov walk. I even liked the Corvo pick up along w/ Scott Walker, and then watched Boudreau never play Walker (until game 7) and Corvo never really found his groove.

You think I'm delusional to even ponder trading a Semin or Green b/c in your eyes, these guys are untouchable. Well, as I said - I'm not questioning their talent level, but if the goal is a Stanley Cup, and if the right deal came along which might help address a few holes, then I would certainly entertain moving one of those guys.

The caps play with a lot of sizzle, I'd like to see more wins with heart and banging and hard work.

Posted by: Jaymagz | December 7, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

@sgm

get over yourself. You are utterly clueless to not get how it makes people feel.

Everyone in this world that is passionate about something ends up feeling miserable and crappy about that in their life multiple times. If you have a significant other that you are passionate it about, does he/she not piss you off from time to time and make you angry?

This dream world that you live in where you think your robotic emotions rule the world is bizarre. Enjoy your god complex.

Posted by: ThePat | December 7, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

And so getting angry over something has never done you good? You need to learn how to channel your emotions better than buddy. Sometimes being angry can be a very good thing, you should know that if you have played D1 sports.

Posted by: ThePat

I agree that getting angry(or passionate) can help when you actually have control over something(i.e. playing a sport). But we have no control over this.

If I was involved with the Caps and had the ability to effect the outcome, then it would be a different story. But I don't. I'm just an observer who has no effect on the outcome of the games. So I don't see how being angry(especially when the Caps win) over the outcome of Caps games benefits me in any fashion.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

i am guessing that sgm3 was a philosophy major in college

Posted by: doughless | December 7, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

sgm3: I am stil royally bummed about the Packers beating the Colts in 1965 on a field goal that actually missed. Also the Colts losing to the Rams late in 1966. Also Colts losing to Jets and Orioles to Mets in 69. Then there's the two Orioles losses to Pirates, Caps losing to Penguins, etc etc.

Get over it in one day? Some things in sports you never get over. I will never get over that loss to Mont last year or especially the loss to Pens the year before. I am over the Flyers playoff loss, almost, the refs stunk that series.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | December 7, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

@doughless

Nope, engineering.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

as caps fans we love being miserable, we offer our undying support because we retain our HOPE, and we'll never quit on them THE WAY THE TEAM IS QUITTING ON BB

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 7, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

@doughless

no he was math or engineering or something like that and his D1 sport was probably fencing or gymnastics.

Posted by: ThePat | December 7, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

sgm3:

my question to you is, why are you a fan?? it is all about the emotion of it and you seem to have little.

Posted by: doughless | December 7, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

thePat:

good guess!

Posted by: doughless | December 7, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

then why are you passionate about something that makes you miserable?

Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 12:17 PM

i'm not sure there is a reasonable answer to this question.

as a caps fan, i choose to not dwell on the past (or possible future) failures of the team. i have no control or say (nor should i) over the management or players of the team. hockey (and all sports) are a form of entertainment - i'm entertained by every caps game. happy when they win and disappointed/frustrated when the lose.
however - if i were laying on my death bed - one of my thought would not be: "i sure wish the caps had won a cup"

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | December 7, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

I was definitely disappointed about the Caps loss to Montreal last year. Absolutely. I still do wish they won that series and will always wish they had won that series. But I'm not angry about it. I am just focues on what is upcoming and hope they can win this year.

@doughless

I have a lot of fun watching the Caps play and love it even more when they win. Especially in the playoffs. So it does give me greater joy when the Caps win. But it doesn't leave me angry when they lose. So there is no negative. So it is either a positive(when the Caps win) or a constant state(when the Caps lose).

@ThePat

Lacrosse

Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Caps fans, cheer up, it's not all bad news today. Wilbon's finally leaving!

Posted by: redhotCAPSaicin | December 7, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

i choose to not dwell on the past (or possible future) failures of the team. i have no control or say (nor should i) over the management or players of the team. hockey (and all sports) are a form of entertainment - i'm entertained by every caps game. happy when they win and disappointed/frustrated when the lose.
however - if i were laying on my death bed - one of my thought would not be: "i sure wish the caps had won a cup"

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ

Well said, I agree completely. I fall in line with this sort of thinking.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I am stil royally bummed about the Packers beating the Colts in 1965 on a field goal that actually missed. Also the Colts losing to the Rams late in 1966. Also Colts losing to Jets and Orioles to Mets in 69. Then there's the two Orioles losses to Pirates, Caps losing to Penguins, etc etc.

Get over it in one day? Some things in sports you never get over. I will never get over that loss to Mont last year or especially the loss to Pens the year before. I am over the Flyers playoff loss, almost, the refs stunk that series.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | December 7, 2010 12:26 PM

for me its miami over the skins in SB VII - i will always despise the dolphins. i, however, do not think about it every time the skins lose. i certainly don't complain about it every time i have a football conversation - although it does come up from time to time.
i don't think there is an issue with what defines any of us as fans of the caps - only how we choose to react to it.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | December 7, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

You are a moron. That is all. Carry on.

Posted by: ThePat | December 7, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

@CaptKirk

"i don't think there is an issue with what defines any of us as fans of the caps - only how we choose to react to it."

I agree with that. Now blame sgm3 for questioning everyones emotions and how they follow the Caps and believing his is the only way to follow a team.

Posted by: ThePat | December 7, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

You are a moron. That is all. Carry on.

Posted by: ThePat

Why do you say that?

Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Who remembers the Mel Gray touchdown "catch" in 1974 or 75?

Posted by: redhotCAPSaicin | December 7, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

here is something to get emotional about: the redskins just suspended Haynesworth without pay for the rest of the season!

Posted by: doughless | December 7, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Now blame sgm3 for questioning everyones emotions and how they follow the Caps and believing his is the only way to follow a team.

Posted by: ThePat

You misinterpreted my question. I never said you can't follow the team the way you do. I just questioned why you did? It was never a quesiton of if you can or cannot. It was only a question of why. How do YOU benefit from YOUR choice.

You don't have to give me the answer, but you should at least think about it and give yourself the answer.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

i will tell you that (emotional) fans of our rivals have no trouble (emotionally) telling Caps fans how we are defined: having not won a Stanley Cup. tell me that you stoic donks don't get seriously pizzed when fans from opposing teams come to Verizon Center and rain all over the parade??

Posted by: doughless | December 7, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

i just cant understand why caps can't play good hockey for 60 minutes. they're so inconsistent. please be consistent in winning games that you're supposed to win. pleaseeeeeee!.

Posted by: capsfan2007 | December 7, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

doughless wrote:

here is something to get emotional about: the redskins just suspended Haynesworth without pay for the rest of the season!

doughless, does that make Haynesworth doughless now?

Posted by: redhotCAPSaicin | December 7, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

@Lloyd

I got my shot in, but left off "Dogs."
Don't really care...it only matters in April.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | December 7, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

that last sentenced you just typed to me is exactly why you are a moron. You come across as arrogant beyond belief. Like I have told you the last two days, you do have a god complex. The way you act on here is like a 3 year old who always ask why? The only difference is they are 3 and know no better. How do your friends deal with you? enjoy your life, hopefully one day you wake up in reality.

Posted by: ThePat | December 7, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

CAPSaicin:

he ain't exactly doughless, but good one!

Posted by: doughless | December 7, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

The last month has shown me that the Caps have not changed from the pass 2 years. Yes, they are 2nd in the league with points but what did that get them last year?

The have the talent to win the cup this year. They don't need to trade OV, Green, Semin, Schultz. The team hasn't learned to finish off teams and develop "grit with desire and passion" as a whole.

I don't need to hear GMGM, BB or any players explain what they need to do to change and to win on a consistent basis. No more words, "just show us through your actions."

Some players need to take a larger role in leadership and grab the bull by the horns. They need to lead better by example and start making their teammates accountable or calling them out (in private).

BB needs to stop showing the perception of favoritism of certain players. Don't say something if your not 100% behind it.

"Killer Instinct", "Finishing Of Opponents" and "Sticking Up for Teammates" - quit talking about it and "just show us with your actions"!

JUST DO IT! JUST DO IT FROM THIS POINT FORWARD!

Posted by: puckman | December 7, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

And to the rest of you, I apologize for going on my rant to sgm3. He is just to over the top for me to deal with anymore.

Posted by: ThePat | December 7, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Since no one else sems abel to say it, I will...

IMO, the main causes of last night's loss to TOR were:

No Jeff Schultz for the entire 3rd period (55%):

Many of the Schultz-haters on this board will of course disagree; they just don't seem to appreciate how many minutes #55 eats up, and how how much more important those minutes are when a team chooses to dress only 6 defensemen instead of 8. And say what you will about his willingness to hit people not being commensurate to his physical size: when a blueliner is in the top 5 in plus/minus over the last 2-3 seasons, he must be doing something right.

Many of the remaining players phoned it in (45%):

...And much of this I attribute to many of the players not having a sufficient sense of urgency in adjusting to the loss of Schultz on the blue line.


Yes I was disgusted at how the Cap seemed to let this one slip away. Nevertheless, it is only one game. In December. So let's all just get over it and concentrate on how we can avoid the same results Thursday gainst Florida. Als, I think a big win against Colorado is important if for no other reason than to validate the Flash-for-Hannan trade.

Posted by: Rhino40 | December 7, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Caps fans, cheer up, it's not all bad news today. Wilbon's finally leaving!
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Now that is something I think we can all get behind; I used to just be thankful the guy rarely wrote about hockey, listening to him impart his genius about football and quarterbacks was quite enough.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | December 7, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

As annoying as The Caps can be they are the best show in town. Every single Capital seems to have more character, guts and maturity than Hatnesworth. The Caps are not a dysfunctional franchise like the Redskins. It gets harder every day to like the Redskins. Snyder has ripped the fiber of a great franchise. Ted will make the Wizards worth watching and the Nationals will become a good team in a few years. We should be thankful for The Capitals. Yes they need to add a gritty two way Center but my goodness but at least they are interesting to watch. And if they really stunk the boards would be empty and so would the stands.

Posted by: pkme | December 7, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Hockey people talk about how talented the Caps are, that their core players are tied up for years, thus making them a Cup contender for years to come. The odds of flipping a coin 10 times and it coming up tails every time are infinitessimally small. However, with each flip coming up tails from the beginning, the odds get better and better that it could happen. Maybe a convoluted analogy, but the Caps have flipped three times so far, and have come up tails everytime. Do you see where I'm going with this?

Posted by: redhotCAPSaicin | December 7, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

redhotCAPSaicin:
st louis cardinals - iirc - the league changed the rule for the next year on controlling the ball for completed passes.
i have to listen to a lot of sh*t being a skins fan right now - but it is fun to tease cardinal fans out here.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | December 7, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Like I have told you the last two days, you do have a god complex. The way you act on here is like a 3 year old who always ask why?

@ThePat

I'm just asking a simple question. I don't get how that means I have a "god complex" and that I act like a 3 year old. You know that asking questions is often a good thing.

Also, my life is great, my job is great, my family and friends are great and I am extremely happy. If waking up to "reality"(as you phrase it) means being miserable then I am quite happy to stay where I am. But thank you for your concern.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Guys I still think OVi and Green have some issues phyiscally.

Posted by: pkme | December 7, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

@ Cherno - Good post.

@ sgm3 - Agree with everything you've said. Well done! There are more of us out there than these boards would have us believe.

@ dougless - Passion for one thing does not have to supercede everything in life. I can be passionate (aka furiously angry seemingly by your definition) about the Caps but still function the next day and the day after.

By my definition (and my husband's), I've always been an extermely passionate hockey/Caps fan but I do not dwell on the negatives in a redundant, bang-my-head-against-the-wall, ad nauseum fashion as is featured here and on most boards/blogs these days. Is my heart heavy and am I cranky about things such as losses like last night's for a while? Yes! Would it be just sickening if the Caps' playoff picture didn't develop like we think it will/should. Yes!! But angry about it to the point of blaming, flaming and shaming anything and everything about the Caps, of which I (and most of us) really know nothing about? No.

I really am liking what Mike Commadore had to say. It would be sad to disconnect from everything but it may be coming. Even if the Caps won everything, there would be those who would be nearly unbearable to be around, if only on the internet, the following year...

Posted by: nena1 | December 7, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

We are big Matty P. fans in our house -- he deserves to be up with the big team.

Okay -- one other thing? Chillax people. Log off and walk away from the device. Things will get better.

Posted by: ljo211 | December 7, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Re my post, I meant @ doughless - sorry!

Posted by: nena1 | December 7, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

@nena1

Thanks. Glad to hear it.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

What keeps me positive is that I remember how pitiful the Pens were a few years ago and then they turned it around and made it to the SC Finals (of course they fired a coach....) And then I think of how great the Caps were last season and how they bowed out so ignominiously to Montreal....so I hope a worse regular season than last will mean a better playoff season this year!

Posted by: Thisistheyear | December 7, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

i think its time the folks on this board who "get it" quit wasting time trying to explain it to sgm. He doesn't get it. Its ok. He thinks the same way about us.

I think the other fans here who typically defend the Caps style of play and mgmt/coaching (i.e. capscoach etc), are more worthy of engaging in a debate. They have a more open mind about things and argue less boorishly than does sgm.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 7, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

re: DJK

His entire usefulness currently can be summed up as
"a warm body who will hold onto and wrestle another team's enforcer and take him off the ice for 5 mins"

That's 5 less minutes one of our guys has to worry about getting abused. Good trade!

They shoulda just held onto Deryk Engelland and let him do the enforcing. He hits more frequently and he fights a lot better. And he can't be any worse at forward than King is.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 7, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton

I know and my original dialogue started with capscoach and it was just that a dialogue that was worth having. Then well you know...

Posted by: ThePat | December 7, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

I wasn't arguing today, I was just asking a simple question. Why would somebody be passionate about a choice of entertainment if it only makes them miserable?

Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Moving on from responding to posts, I will say that it was great to see Matty P play and play well. I thought there were many things done well last night and it's good to see Ovie hitting and scoring goals some more, all the while still assisting (attempting to) his teammates and being a good leader. The last ten minutes of the game were odd and eerily familiar, no doubt.

As you all prob know, Brooks was on EITM (which I rarely listen to anymore because the ongoing cackling almost made me loose my mind/driving capabilities) and he had a lot of interesting things to say. He always does and sometimes it's almost too good but, still, it was an honest conversation from my perspective.

Also, as a LW, if Ovie didn't consistently make himself available for the outlet pass in the Caps' zone, there would be everyone and their brother screaming because he was out of position. This isn't mites where everyone chases the puck/person with the puck. Time and space, read the play, support, take what they give you. All of those thoughts have to be prioritized and translated into action on every play in the Caps' zone. Ovie's main job there is to be available where he can get/skate the puck out, not be muddled down in a scrum in the corner boards.

Posted by: nena1 | December 7, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

What keeps me positive is that I remember how pitiful the Pens were a few years ago and then they turned it around and made it to the SC Finals (of course they fired a coach....)

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The Pens also finished all their checks, had a much gritter all-around team with a better work ethic and better focus on playing defensive hockey. They had many of the pieces in place personne-wise but also adjusted their style of play with the new coach.

Those things won't just simply fall into place for the Caps. They have committed to a certain type of play and personnel. Their goal is to outfinesse any team they play and rely on their talent more than anything else. This is no secret, this is the way it has been going since BB took over the reins. And he has his GM's full support. It has led to some remarkable reg season records which has validated this direction in the eyes of the media, fans, and owner. I think to keep going down this road stubbornly however is a mistake. This direction will lead to limited postseason success.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 7, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Mark my words...no cup appearance...season will be considered a disappointment...even if they win 30 straight and capture the President's Trophy...

Posted by: SoaringCaps | December 7, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1:

Then there is still hope.

After all. "Limited" is always better than "none at all"...

Posted by: Rhino40 | December 7, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Remember: Like anyone else, I enjoy being proven right.

But I enjoy seeing the Caps win even more...even (perhaps especialy) if it means being proven wrong.

Posted by: Rhino40 | December 7, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Blah blah blah, same story for the Caps... I'm not even going to get into the Pens/Caps or Crosby/OV comparison here. You're dellusional if you think one way (which is fine if you wanna be dellusional & biased), and you're a realist if you think the other.

Would be interesting to find the stat of the # of blown leads the Caps have, I bet they are leading in that department in the NHL. Which is very disturbing for a supposed Cup contender and all of the lessons they should have already learned.

Posted by: BigGameSid | December 7, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Capt_Kirk wrote:

st louis cardinals - iirc - the league changed the rule for the next year on controlling the ball for completed passes

Bingo! Someone else remembers! Thanx for the affirmation.

Posted by: redhotCAPSaicin | December 7, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey biggamesid, tell me again who won the Conn Smythe that year? And who ran the PP?

Seriously though, why do you hang out on a Caps blog, if you're such a big Pens fan?

Posted by: Timbo_1 | December 7, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

I wasn't arguing today, I was just asking a simple question. Why would somebody be passionate about a choice of entertainment if it only makes them miserable?

Posted by: sgm3

as painfully obvious as the answer may be to some, it apparently eludes you.

Being passionate about anything in life invariably will include being miserable about it as well. Peaks and valleys. If you choose to be dispassionate about the Caps, that's not a big deal. If you look at everything in your life dispassionately, then you're a sociopath. Or just heavily damaged goods.

Those of us who are extremely passionate about sports or music or the Caps in this instance understand that with the passion comes a price. But it can work both ways. If they turn into the team a lot of us want to see, there comes great joy from that experience. If we were dispassionate about them then both the disappointments and the joys would be more even-keeled. But most of us are unwilling to give up the sheer euphoria that can accompany a highly successful sports season. Ergo, we suffer thru the disappointments and take it tremendously hard. Why I'm having to explain this is beyond me.

Let me ask you this --- if the Caps continue to experience early round exits year in and year out, will you simply stop being a fan and switch your attention to something else? Or will you continue to be a dispassionate fan?

There are some things in life I'm disconnected from and have largely ambivalent feelings about. The Caps may soon become one of them. But currently, I'm still in there. Albeit from more of a distance.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 7, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

If the team can't learn to protect a lead it's going to be a short playoff run again this season. Three goal lead against a team that has basically zero offence unless you hand them the puck or leave them wide open. All you have to do against the Leafs is cover your guy and get the puck out of the zone. They don't have players that can generate offence out of nothing. If you can't shut down that team, you can't shut down anyone.

Posted by: Stu_c | December 7, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1:

Then there is still hope.

After all. "Limited" is always better than "none at all"...

Posted by: Rhino40 |

Well, everyone has some limited hope. Atlanta for example.
But I think the bar in this town is a little higher. Atlanta will consider this season a success if they make it to the playoffs. The Caps have had a much longer rebuild time and much more talent on paper to compare themselves to other teams with some limited hope :)

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 7, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

But I enjoy seeing the Caps win even more...even (perhaps especialy) if it means being proven wrong.

Posted by: Rhino40

so do all of us. Being proven right in a scenario like what we've had around here with the Caps is pretty damn painful.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 7, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

What if Lord Stanley had been named Griswald, and it was the Griswald Cup we were trying to win? Just doesn't have the same ring to it.

Posted by: redhotCAPSaicin | December 7, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

So I was wondering how many trades the armchair coaches and GM's have done this morning as a result of the Caps loss last night and last Saturday, was it? Did any of them manage to score Crosby and Stamkos to replace Backstrom and Ovi and Semin and Green? Oh, that's right, it doesn't matter who they want to trade! I almost forgot. Their raving lunacy doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | December 7, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Yes I was disgusted at how the Cap seemed to let this one slip away. Nevertheless, it is only one game. In December. So let's all just get over it and concentrate on how we can avoid the same results Thursday gainst Florida
--rhino--

really? You think this is all just a reaction to "one" game?
If I keep shaking my head and muttering to myself any more, the men in white coats and butterfly nets will come to take me away. Prolly long overdue anyway.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 7, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

BigGameSid - I'm a Pats fan [grew up in new england, and remember the days when 3 wins was considered a decent year] - and I just realized that what you do is like if I went over to a Jets fan blog this morning and posted there. What kind of person does that, or even thinks to do that?

Posted by: Timbo_1 | December 7, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

See all my above posts for answers to your questions to get a better idea of what I am asking.

If you are a person who actually enjoys watching the Caps win, when they do and are disappointed when they lose. That is fine. I have no issues with that.

It was the comment from a poster that he wouldn't be happy with anything the Caps did unless they won the SC. I don't get this. Again, see my above posts for all the reasoing.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Why would a fan of any team be happy that their team ended the season on a losing note?

Posted by: ThePat | December 7, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Oh, that's right, it doesn't matter who they want to trade! I almost forgot. Their raving lunacy doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan

Exactly.

@cstanton1

See the above post for my questioning about being angry.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

@capscoach

Not sure how anyone could say Semin played a lazy game. He was working hard on every single shift.

About Ovie - to me he looks confused on D, like he doesn't know exactly what he should be doing out there.

Posted by: RedLitYogi | December 7, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Why would a fan of any team be happy that their team ended the season on a losing note?

Posted by: ThePat | December 7, 2010 2:44 PM

i'm pretty sure they wouldn't be happy - unless they had a very large wager on their team losing.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | December 7, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3 -

keep posting the sane stuff, bro!

Posted by: RedLitYogi | December 7, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

@CaptKirk

good point, haha.

Posted by: ThePat | December 7, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

sgm3 and cstanton1, I know a lot of people on here grow tired of the constant back and forth between you two, but I actually find it to be entertaining (most of the time).

@cstanton1- glad to see you posting again but you might want to get a restraining order against hunterforcoach. His/hers continual pleas for your return were starting to seem stalker like. LOL, just messin' with you huntsie. :)

Posted by: FunkyGloveFacewash | December 7, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

For all the King haters, he's just getting warmed up! Orr has had more fights this year than King has had over the last 2. Orr should have dropped his gloves off the face off but he knew better than to square up with King who has serious KO power. Instead he jumped him for the second time this season. The only solid blow was landed by King. Give King time, he will find his groove again!

Posted by: FLDave | December 7, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Not sure how anyone could say Semin played a lazy game.
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Totally. Sasha worked his tail off all game long; he makes Laich a much, much better player and seems to have really good chem with MP. In fact, that goal MP had an eternity in the slot only because Semin was standing his ground in front of Gus and getting manhandled by Komisarek [only time I noticed Kom all night, actually].

Re: Ovie on the point - I think 'confused' might be a bit strong, he's such a tremendous athlete he'll naturally be decent at whatever you ask him to do on the ice; that said, Ovie's been a winger his entire life so why BB insists on sticking him on the point [for the entire two of every single PP] is beyond me, what d-man in the league can outmuscle him down low [without getting a penalty]. He's fine back there but he's just such a force in the corners and physically I don't really understand BB's thinking on that one. I know I wouldn't want to try and win a loose puck battle with that dude!

Posted by: Timbo_1 | December 7, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

@fldave

we know what DJK is capable of...there's no shame losing to orr; hell, orr knocked out Matt Carkner twice last year......DJK hasn't fought well, but he hasn't exactly been disgraced either.....i wonder how ****55 would look if he played 7/28 games spread out over months; can anyone say sloan?

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 7, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

@Timbo

Id use Ovi on the PP much like Dallas uses Richards. If you are going to have him out there for the full 2 minutes. Half at the point and half down low. That opens up more time for Carlson and Poti to be pointmen on the PP.

Posted by: ThePat | December 7, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

One thing I couldn't help remember last night...the Thrashers, who are doing well, traded last year a #2 and 3 pick to the Sabres for Clarke MacArthur. Then they let him go after he won a $2.6M arbitration award. Now MacArthur is playing up to that contract and Atlanta will doubtless if they keep it up have to pay more draft picks March 1 to get one or two players just like him.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | December 7, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

@FLDave- I'm no DJK hater, even though I did post last night that I didn't think he had won many if any scraps while with the Caps so far but also said to be fair he hasn't played enough. Fighting, like any other skill, needs to be done regularly to stay sharp.He does have some serious KO power but unfortunately the rest of his gm needs work and I don't see BB upping his playing time anytime soon.

Posted by: FunkyGloveFacewash | December 7, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Are the young citizens of Pittsburgh required to have grade and high school educations or is it optional? Judging by the posts generated by the Pittsburgh trolls, I would have to believe the latter. Once removed from their western PA geography, that becomes painfully apparent.

Posted by: AADCDERM | December 7, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

When you look at what you want out of a 4th line banger/fighter - he's gotta be able to skate well enough to get in deep on the forecheck consistently. And you want him to engage other players besides just the other team's tough guy. And he doesn't need to win every fight but he should win his share of em and he needs to at least show up in a fight.

Orr does that all the time. He goes and finds other team's skill players and really lays into em. But he also answers any challenge by any other enforcer. Brad Winchester is another player who is a very effective hitter and is a strong middleweight. I would rather DJK be more of an effective hitting middleweight fighter vs being a "heavyweight" who can barely fight and barely hit.

My recollection of King before his injuries were he was more effective on the forecheck than he's showed in a Caps jersey. Since his injuries have been upper body injuries, I can't blame his poor skating on that. But maybe its a combination of rust and the fact he's tentative under this coaching staff. Basically, his coach doesn't put him in a situation to succeed, and he himself doesn't resemble the player he was 2 yrs ago.

Bottom line, we coulda picked up a better player for that role or at worst, an equivalent one way before Brashear outlived his usefulness. And not given up a scrappy prospect like SDR. I don't care if he was a 7th rounder, SDR was too much to give up for the current state of DJKing.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 7, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1

He's played in 7 freakin games man... On top of that on the fourth line which receives the least amount of ice time. You don't hone your skills in practice and participating in drills when your a regular healthy scratch. You need game time, you simply cannot replicate that in practice, he hasn't even warmed up yet. Joe B and Locker even commented on how well he's played with his gloves on last night. Give the guy a chance before trading him for a 'scrappy' guy who'll take beatings. We already have Bradley for that.

Posted by: FLDave | December 7, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

DJK hasn't fought well, but he hasn't exactly been disgraced either..
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who else has looked as bad as him this season in the nhl ? Zack Stortini used to be laughing stock of the enforcer world until he stepped it up last year. This year I think the laughing stock is DJ King.
He looked awful against Trevor Gillies who is a good but not great fighter at the NHL level. King to me looks awkward on his skates now when he fights, he's more interested in locking someone out instead of giving and taking punches. And he's a sloowww puncher.

I'd trade Gordo AND King for Konopka. He's an active fighter. He hits hard and frequently. He's an agitator. He can handle guys like Avery and Carcillo. And he's a great faceoff guy. More importantly, he makes those plays in the def zone along the boards that Boyd Gordon refuses to make. ZK may not be able to handle a Boogaard but then frankly, neither can King despite his one showing. If he takes on Boogey now, he'll get killed. He'll end up bearhugging him and then collapsing with his head buried in Boogey's chest.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 7, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

LeftCoast and SGM3 cannot see things as they are. This team is flawed, plain and simple. We want this team to win, now. Our window is open now, but not forever.

SGM3 will tell you he will be worried if the Caps play bad in April and May, yet forgets about last years disgraceful April, forget about May.

They are both out of their minds, now throw Nena1 into that mix.

McPhee will tell you it's hard to make trades, and he is right. Yet when the off season arrives, and you can sign UFA's, he does nothing.

The elephant in the room here is OV. God knows, we all love him. As fans, he has given us all so much to be happy about. But for some reason, he does not seem interested. What is going on with him? Don't say nothing, his assists are up, it's BS, they aren't really. His goals are just way down. As a fan of this team, it really bothers me watching him play the way he has been. It must be bothering BB aswell, because he benched OV at the end of that game last night.

Another thing, this team needs to acquire someone that has been a "Captain" on a successful team. They need someone on the ice that has been through a successful cup run.

Posted by: underpants2 | December 7, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

FunkyGloveFacewash

King has not won any of his THREE fights, you're correct. Then again he hasn't suffered any damage in any of them. No cuts, no bruises, no KO's, etc. He simply did not win, last night he landed the only solid punch, but was out landed by Orr's meaningless shots. Given ice time and a chance he will improve in the fighting aspect. Again like my comment above on game time, you can't replicate a fight in practice. He simply needs time and he'll win the fans over.

Posted by: FLDave | December 7, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Give the guy a chance before trading him for a 'scrappy' guy who'll take beatings. We already have Bradley for that.

Posted by: FLDave


that's the point Dave. Its not ME that has to give him the chance he needs to possibly turn his career around. Its Bruce. And if you think BB will give King the time and development he requires to MAYBE turn into a productive tough guy, I'd have to disagree.


From day one, the better fit into our lineup was SDR. Even if it was 2 yrs down the road. Bruce has an easier time trying to figure out an SDR than he does a King.

And I'd rather have an Arron Asham type (i.e. SDR) on my roster than an Eric Godard type. I say that as an Eric Godard fan.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 7, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1

I'd love to have an Arron Asham type as well. However I also want a King type too :). Asham is a great role player much like Tootoo, but I believe you need a heavyweight. I've been impressed by King, he's played well despite not knocking people out. He's been responsible in his on end, keeps his shifts short, hasn't taken a minor, etc. I don't see him as a liability on the ice.Let's see how he does in his next fight, the last two he was jumped.

If any of you see him at Kettler tell him to put something slick on the elbows of his jerseys. I used to use a silicon type spray and it kept the other guy from getting a firm grip. You can can easily overcome being locked out in the upper arm/shoulder area, the elbow... thats a tough one.

Posted by: FLDave | December 7, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

FLDave- If given more ice time he might improve in the other areas of his gm but I don't see BB giving him more ice time.
Damn, the site or my computer is running slow today.

Posted by: FunkyGloveFacewash | December 7, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

The elephant in the room here is OV. God knows, we all love him. As fans, he has given us all so much to be happy about. But for some reason, he does not seem interested. What is going on with him? Don't say nothing, his assists are up, it's BS, they aren't really.
---underpants---

no doubt. Very disappointed in who used to be my favorite Cap.

I still miss the way he played in his rookie year. Much better game in and game out efforts. Now you're lucky to see him put in a 60 min effort at all. I think he's gotten better lately but this overall he's been very disappointing. I guess some fans will say he's "maturing" and picking his spots but I do miss the wild exuberance of his first 2 seasons where he'd go all out on every shift.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 7, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Just to answer BigA$$Sid above...

Leading after 1st:
Pit: 8-3-0
Was: 8-0-3

Leading after 2nd:
Pit: 12-1-0
Was: 12-0-1

Might want to check your stats before posting, dipsh!t.

Posted by: yosemite_sam | December 7, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

lets be serious: King is a bust.

Posted by: doughless | December 7, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Asham is a great role player much like Tootoo, but I believe you need a heavyweight. I've been impressed by King, he's played well despite not knocking people out. He's been responsible in his on end, keeps his shifts short, hasn't taken a minor, etc. I don't see him as a liability on the ice.Let's see how he does in his next fight, the last two he was jumped.
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i've always thought that as well. But the Caps are clueless on how to develop King. He'll either become a better skater who gets a few more shifts but isn't as physical as he could be. Or he'll be a part time token thug.

A guy like SDR who can play a more regular shift is easier for BB to figure out how to insert into the lineup. Granted, this regime has zero experience in developing a quality agitator either so who knows :)

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 7, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, my computer is dragging a** and I have to roll now anyway, right when the thread was getting interesting. Will try to check back in later.

Posted by: FunkyGloveFacewash | December 7, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I believe VERY MUCH that this is our year to win the cup! My posting at 11:30 wasn't a knock on ****55 as much as recognizing that the team has hit rock bottom....it's time to sink or swim, and if we're really a TEAM we'll rally and move beyond this forgettable game.

Why i'm even more confident that this is THE YEAR is simple: everyone should recognize that, as a fan, I really don't care that much for the offensive side of the game as i do the defensive. Well, last night was the start of Erskine's exile and what happened? The Hockey Gods have granted me reprieve, and Erskine will be an integral part in pulling us out of these depths of despair...talk about Karma!! (ps...i haven't wished injury on ****55 since last year, so i had nothing to do with his injury last night)

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 7, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

who is SDR? help me.

Posted by: pkme | December 7, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

stefan della rovere

Posted by: doughless | December 7, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

who is SDR? help me.

Posted by: pkme | December 7, 2010 4:16 PM

Here's a hint...former Caps draft pick...laced em up last year for Canadian Under 20 team...traded to StL for DJK...made his NHL debut for StL vs Caps last week.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | December 7, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

lets be serious: King is a bust.

Posted by: doughless | December 7, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse


Go watch last night's fight on hockeyfights.com and read all the comments. Fight fans around the country are wondering what happened to him, thus validating what many here say he can be. Only BB could take a player of his caliber and turn him into..........Alan May

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 7, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

OV is good for at least three things every game:

1. Falling flat on his face with nobody around him.
2. Coughing up the puck, creating an odd-man rush the other way.
3. Completely whiffing/breaking his stick on a good scoring chance with his monstrous slap shot.

I love the guy, but...

Posted by: redhotCAPSaicin | December 7, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Why are we talking about King so much. He does not cost the team that much. Also the other fella SDR for the Blues is not missed by the Caps. To be honest I did not pay that much attention to King one way or another when we aquired him. I still do not. The Caps need a tough guy enforcer and he is cheap. keep him. he is a good locker room guy.

Posted by: pkme | December 7, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Only BB could take a player of his caliber and turn him into..........Alan May

Posted by: vermontcaps

priceless...If I'm reading that right, you and me are the only 2 Caps fans who lived thru that era and thought Alan May was a poser. Or at least he turned into one after he earned a roster spot and got thru his first year. He'd either make himself feel better by beating up on lowly fighters like Bourque or Loney or he'd run away from the likes of Berube, Kocur, and Domi. He probably wished he could fight Neil Sheehy every game.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 7, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

The problem with all of us we expect the Caps to be the best at every single position in The NHL. Not every player is going to be fabulous. Not going to happen. I also think The fans expectations including my own are misguided at times. On another note I think the Caps should be better given there top five or six players. You have to imagine BB is on a short leash. They should still let him finish the season. Mark my words if the Caps continue to play like this through December he will be replaced fairly or unfairly quickly. We will see.

Posted by: pkme | December 7, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

The Caps need a tough guy enforcer and he is cheap. keep him. he is a good locker room guy.

Posted by: pkme

his actions don't really resemble those of a quality enforcer. And the "he's a good locker room guy" line is overused. Most NHL players are good locker room guys. But someone who barely plays can't be any real positive influence in a locker room. Ted may as well be in there every game yukking it up. He'd be just as useful as King.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 7, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Mark my words if the Caps continue to play like this through December he will be replaced fairly or unfairly quickly.

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never happen. The Caps will play well enough to make the playoffs as at least a #3 or #4 seed. Even with the mighty Schultz gone. (These voodoo dolls do work!)

Bruce's future won't be in question until nxt offseason. When everyone around here will scratch their heads and wonder how yet another hot goalie stole a series.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 7, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

The elephant in the room here is OV. God knows, we all love him. As fans, he has given us all so much to be happy about. But for some reason, he does not seem interested. What is going on with him? Don't say nothing, his assists are up, it's BS, they aren't really.
---underpants---

I don't think it's coincidence that he played destructively in the minutes right after the fight, getting that goal on pure want and drive. I think the fight pumped him up and he made the decision that if my teammates are going to take that kind of a beating for me, I can do it for them.

After the initial adrenaline rush and giving props to DJK in the bin, Ovi looked at his mates on the bench. He came to the realization that the fighting support was just a fleeting moment, as he knew this was just a token game and BB would banish DJK soon enough. Ovi knows that without DJK's protection, he'll have to answer the bell and drop the mitts if he reverts back to his rambunctious playing ways; the jackwagon in the dirtiest city in Pa. is further distancing himself from Ovi in that regard, too. The weight of it all overwhelmed him, and he immediately became despondent....

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 7, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

and the sad thing is, the caps thought Sheehy was the man, too .....too funny!! where's john barrett when ya need him?

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 7, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

You mean much in the same way Dino Ciccarelli gave Alan May a huge grin and hug after May took care of Basil McRae who was tormenting Dino.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 7, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it's coincidence that he played destructively in the minutes right after the fight, getting that goal on pure want and drive. I think the fight pumped him up and he made the decision that if my teammates are going to take that kind of a beating for me, I can do it for them.

After the initial adrenaline rush and giving props to DJK in the bin, Ovi looked at his mates on the bench. He came to the realization that the fighting support was just a fleeting moment, as he knew this was just a token game and BB would banish DJK soon enough. Ovi knows that without DJK's protection, he'll have to answer the bell and drop the mitts if he reverts back to his rambunctious playing ways; the jackwagon in the dirtiest city in Pa. is further distancing himself from Ovi in that regard, too. The weight of it all overwhelmed him, and he immediately became despondent....

Posted by: vermontcaps |

Wow. I didn't get that at all. I don't think Ovie became despondent at all.

The team became despondent when they found out Schulz was injured and they came to the realization that they would be forced to play with Erskine for the next 4 to 6 weeks. That's when the Caps play sharply decreased. They were so happy and excited in the first two periods to be rid of Erskinse, but after finding out that they would be stuck with him for 4 to 6 more weeks they were overcome with despair and imploded.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Ted & GM have accomplished their goal, make money, influence NHL policy, get on HBO, Winter Classic. A Stanley Cup would be a bonus but not a priority, they realize in order to win a Cup, they would need to know what it takes. They don't.

Posted by: LarryDavid | December 7, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

and the sad thing is, the caps thought Sheehy was the man, too .....too funny!! where's john barrett when ya need him?

Posted by: vermontcaps

one of my alltime underrated favorite Caps trades. Dumping a soft Darren Veitch for 2 tough hardnosed Detroit defensive dmen. Right before the Isles series. Did you know that that year the Wings really stunk but the Caps played em and got beat like 7-0. And Bryan Murray came out after that game and said his team got intimidated by a less skilled tougher Detroit squad. No secret why then that 2 of the Wings then became Caps - Barrett and Greg Smith. Barrett had quite a battle with Duane Sutter that playoff yr. I remember him being an outstanding hitter.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 7, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

The team became despondent when they found out Schulz was injured and they came to the realization that they would be forced to play with Erskine for the next 4 to 6 weeks. That's when the Caps play sharply decreased. They were so happy and excited in the first two periods to be rid of Erskinse, but after finding out that they would be stuck with him for 4 to 6 more weeks they were overcome with despair and imploded.

Posted by: sgm3

I became despondent just reading that.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 7, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Truth be told, everyone, the cup isn't my main goal as a fan each year. So long as we finish higher than the Flyers or Penguins, the season is a success. It pains me to no end that we can't compete with them physically or if the games were to deteriorate into downright-punchfests. At the end of the day, that what drives me. WELCOME BACK TO THE LINEUP JOHNNY E.!! LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE TO PROVE YOURSELF ONCE AGAIN, GO GET 'EM!!!!

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 7, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

vermontcaps

After you read the King fight reviews go read the reviews of Orr's KO. Several people voted that Orr won that fight. 90% of the people on that site are blood thirsty idiots with very little knowledge of the game. So far King could be considered a bust, so could OV based on what we've seen SO FAR. Again it's been 7 games and 3 fights.

I live through the May era and I recall him taking on anyone. He had excellent technique, could punch with both hands, lightning fast, but he was MAYBE 190lbs and lacked the power of the heavyweights. Those were the glory days in my book with Sheehy, Kypreos, May, Stevens and various other willing combatants.

Posted by: FLDave | December 7, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Are you saying that just because Green didn't crack Team Canada's roster that he isn't good? Those players on team Canada's roster were very good and those defenseman on that roster may all be better than Green overall. That doesn't mean he isn't good though.

Posted by: sgm3

missed this gem.

The reason Green didn't crack Team Canada's roster is because the future GM in Tampa understood that for all of MG's hype, he was very suspect in his own end. And thankfully for Team Canada, they understood that great defense will usually always trump great offense. He basically said that the reason he left Green off the roster was because he had a lot of improvement to make in certain parts of his game. Since MG puts up big #s offensively, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that he was referring to Green's DEFENSIVE game.

The Caps should send Yzerman a giant thankyou card. His snub of Green did more to improve Green's defensive game than anything the Caps coaching staff was able to accomplish. Ahh the sad irony!

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 7, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

that battle w/sutter left him with one hell of a bloody face....boy his nose was a bleeder.

i was working at a gas station around that time, and gaetan duchesne/lou franceschetti/greg adams were all regulars. I was just as talkative then, and man the stories they shared!! I remember asking gaetan to ask stevens to seek retribution against sutter for something in a previous game and sure enough, stevens kicked his a@@!! i'm sure i had nothing to do with it, but i'll take that memory to my grave :)

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 7, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Green has an attitude problem, he's capable of playing a shut down game if he chooses.

This guy is a moron, dumb penalties galore, That's why Team CA. passed

Posted by: LarryDavid | December 7, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Are you saying that just because Green didn't crack Team Canada's roster that he isn't good? Those players on team Canada's roster were very good and those defenseman on that roster may all be better than Green overall. That doesn't mean he isn't good though.

Posted by: sgm3

missed this gem.

@cstanton1

What was incorrect about my statement? All I said was that just because Green didn't make Team Canada didn't mean he wasn't a good player. It only meant that he wasn't as good as the defensemen who made Team Canada. That's all I said.

So what was wrong with my statement that made it such a gem? I can't wait to hear this.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 7, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

"The Caps should send Yzerman a giant thankyou card. His snub of Green did more to improve Green's defensive game than anything the Caps coaching staff was able to accomplish. Ahh the sad irony"

Agreed!!! Being snubbed by team Canada and losing the Norris annually definately lit a fire under his rear end!

Posted by: FLDave | December 7, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I live through the May era and I recall him taking on anyone. He had excellent technique, could punch with both hands, lightning fast, but he was MAYBE 190lbs and lacked the power of the heavyweights.

---dave--

no way man. May was a poser who added very little to the Caps lineup the longer he played for us. He was essentially useless because he refused to go toe to toe with anyone anymore and he stopped hitting. He was a spot picking fake of a hockey player and I had no respect for him. His body language in scrums, the way he'd go looking for a small guy in a scrum, the way he'd go running away from Terry Carkner at the Spectrum, the way he'd consistently bail out of fights and try simply to wrestle his opponent to the ice -- he added ZEERO to the lineup and thats eventually why he got dumped.

I'll take Nick Kypreous over Alan May anytime anyday. With Nicky you got an honest effort and an excellent hitting game and he never came up as a real fighter. He developed that part of his game only to help his teammates out. Alan May was a total fake. He used to moan and groan about how the Kings and the Bruins didn't know what they had when he tried out for them. I think they knew exactly what they had - a fake tough guy.

His best yrs were his early yrs with the Caps where he was less of a spot picker, a more gutsy fighter, and he even got PK time where he'd run around and run over dmen. Added some good energy on the PK unit. He's a classic example of a guy who acts tough when he had other tough guys to back him up. When Stevens left, May's toughness should've increased to make up some of the void. Instead it went the other way. When Kordic came into the lineup, suddenly May's back to mouthing off at players' benches and trying to pick fights. When Kordic exited the lineup, May was back to being a putz.

What Alan May turned into later in his career, even Kevin Hatcher would be embarassed.

You take a guy like Shane Churla and see how hard he played the game despite his injuries and then compare that with a spotpickin stat-padder like Alan May and its just an embarassment. Sheehy and May were two of the NHL's biggest jokes. They played tough at home against weaker opponents and faded into the sunset in tough arenas like the Spectrum or Brendan Byrne arena.
I remember one game Daneyko repeatedly roughed up some of our skill players and May had plenty of opportunity to fight him off the draw but he wouldn't even look at him. Daneyko even gave him some shots with the stick. Just embarrassing. Or the time that Troy Mallette of the Rangers took a lot of liberties with the Caps both on and off the ice (via some comments in the media) and it was Kypreous who eventually threw down the gloves and asked Mallette to fight. I think Sheehy finally got involved in it later as well. But May would have no part of it. Mallette was making fun of him on the ice and offered to drop the gloves and May just kept skating away.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 7, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

@fldave

i'm a DJK guy; i know lots of losers post there, but to us fight fans lots are wondering "what happened" to him....my take is exactly yours, and cstanton1 is right on about BB now, but the organization forever, not knowing how to maximize DJK (wish you could read some of my posts from last nights thread)...so long as he gets a few consecutive games under his belt, he'll be fine (let him play friday, coach: THE FANS NEED TO SEE HIM DESTROY SOMEONE, BRING ON HORDICHUCK)

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 7, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Green has an attitude problem, he's capable of playing a shut down game if he chooses.

This guy is a moron, dumb penalties galore, That's why Team CA. passed

Posted by: LarryDavid | December 7, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I agree wholeheartedly, but what do I know. I can't even remember a fight in a regular season game that happened in 1987. I also like your handle.

Posted by: redhotCAPSaicin | December 7, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

that battle w/sutter left him with one hell of a bloody face....boy his nose was a bleeder.

Posted by: vermontcaps

yep, it happened right on top of the Caps goalie (pat riggin?)
Sutter was being his usual bullying self and Barrett wouldn't let him near the crease. This was in Long Island, game 1 maybe? And Barrett actually won the fight but Sutter's stick cut him before the fight even started. He actually laid a beating on Sutter but the Long Island crowd saw the blood and started roaring.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 7, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

that last post about may was spot on!! the names, the memories....damn, that was downright impressive and awe-inspiring

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 7, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

vermontcaps

I knew several of the Caps players back in the 80's and 90's. I almost got into a fight the first time I saw Neil Sheehy. I was sitting in the stands at Mount Vernon Ice Rink waiting for a pick up game while the Caps practice was wrapping up. Sheehy was firing pucks at the net. He missed about 20 in a row, he turned around and caught me grinning. He came charging towards me and I was ready to go with him. He had just been acquired so I knew nothing about him. At the time I was 6'2" 240lbs (solid) could throw with either hand and would fight at the drop of a hat. Larry Murphy (who I knew from the Penalty Box in Alexandria) cut him off at the pass, so unfortunately nothing happened. That could have been a great story.

Posted by: FLDave | December 7, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

gotta run and pick up my son at his squirt practice....gonna see if i can get him to start somethingon the ice!!! lol, just kidding all...be back soon

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 7, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

cstanton

I know but Ted has too much on the line. King seems okay to me. the best pick up the Caps have made is Hendrick. I really like the way he plays.

Posted by: pkme | December 7, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Here's some Alan May for ya.

Here a 1st liner (all character Wendel) teaches May a lesson about trying to act tough. Earlier that game May was trying to start a fight with Gary Leeman I think but refused to even look at a couple of the other Leaf tough guys. May just crumples.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBk9H3UD0lo

Here he has already mentally checked out of this fight. He doesn't take any shots but he buries his head and tries to bail out. There's better examples of him than this but on short notice ... :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDPOFPqziqI&feature=related

Here he is getting blown up by a young Tie Domi. May had no chin man...the better fighters could take a punch and still keep going. May had no chin for fighting and the longer he played the quicker he would bail out of fights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFVwXMyNwGE

Here for about the 15th time in his career he had an opportunity to go policing Rick Tocchet on the ice. A great tradeoff for us of course, swapping May for Tocchet in the pen box. But he always stayed far away from Tocchet. No self-respecting enforcer should ever pass up a chance to engage Tocchet in a scrum situation esp when Tocchet's acting up on the ice. Its a golden opp to jump in there and engage him.
Finally he ends up having to fight Chychrun who wouldnt let him off the hook. The Flyers were always trying to get our "tough guys" to fight them and players like May were always reluctant dance partners.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUPZI3wjzQE&feature=related

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 7, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

He missed about 20 in a row, he turned around and caught me grinning. He came charging towards me and I was ready to go with him. He had just been acquired so I knew nothing about him. At the time I was 6'2" 240lbs (solid) could throw with either hand and would fight at the drop of a hat.
----dave--

bro, I'd have put all my money on you. Neil Sheehy was a horrible fighter. He had 2 decent showings in his career. One against a non-fighter in Claude Lemieux. And one v I think Mallette, who was more of a power forward type than a fighter. Sheehy was a Harvard boxer who would prefer to mouth off vs drop his gloves. And when he did drop his gloves he would hold on and wrestle. Players like McSorley and Tocchet spent a lot of wasted energy trying to get Sheehy to drop his gloves. I think Tocchet fought him twice and caved him in both times, mostly because Sheehy had no desire to fight anyone who could really throw em

I remember Sheehy's first season here. He was billed as an ultra tough guy because not even Bob Fachet understood that Sheehy's PIM totals were mostly misconduct penalties. And Sheehy tried to get the Caps going by picking on what he thought was a skill player for the Penguins. A guy named Randy Cunneyworth. So Sheehy jumped him and thought he'd have his way but Cunneyworth destroyed him. Not quite the boost the Caps were lookin for..

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 7, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

@fldave

you would've taken sheey, no doubt :)

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 7, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton

i went to school w/Fachet's daughter, anne...in 8th grade she duked it out w/this guy mike (no slouch himself) in an after-school floor hockey game; both got suspended but the gym teacher confirmed it was a good bout.......that was the first time in my life i thought about what i wanted to be grown-up, and i wanted to be the beat writer for team. (also knew and competed against McVie's sons, dallas and denver

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 7, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1

There's no doubt I would have owned him. Murphy knew me pretty well, saw me knock a man out while sitting in a chair one night, I believe he was protecting his teammate not me. BTW, Murphy was a bodybuilder back in the day but simply was not into fighting. Too bad the ignorant DC fans ran him out of town just because he refused to fight. I remember the announcers becoming furious over Murphy not throwing down with guys during a scrum. We traded a HOF player for Bob Rouse just to get some 'toughness'. No offense to Rouse who I knew and liked but he had 1/10th of Murphy's ability.

Oh well hindsight is 20/20. My bigging gripe is our not matching the Blues offer sheet to Stevens. It was a trend breaker (largest contract offered to a D man ever at the time), I sincerely believe we would have had a cup by now if we would have kept him. He was the total package, grit, character, skill, played with broken bones, could hit you like a train, just an awe inspiring player.

Someone mentioned Yzerman earlier. Did you guys know that Poile passed up a straight up trade Kevin Hatcher for Yzerman? It was back when Detroit had laughable teams and they thought bringing in a local boy would boost moral and attendance. I still wonnder how that would have impacted the organization.

Posted by: FLDave | December 7, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pkme | December 7, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

@fldave

nice story about murphy, it was just time to go. SCOTT STEVENS WAS, IS, AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE GREATEST CAPITAL EVER. I never heard about the Hatcher/Yzerman offer, but I'm glad Hatcher turned into Tinordi.....ever since Stevens left, I've been waiting for his tough-as-nails presence to return to the backline. Only Tinordi and Erskine have come close in the scare/mean factor. Stevens looked intense, and he was; Tinordi looked gawky crazy, and he was; Erskine looks tough, and he is; ****55 looks doofy and Carlson looks, well, kinda creepy

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 7, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

This is 2010 folks and has nothing to do with any other season. I have watched this team for 30 years and do not care about any players not on the roster. Ciccirelli was one of my favorites but he is old like everyone else you all mention. Stick behind this team and see what they can do. They will work it out and be a force when it counts. I don't like seeing leads go poof either but if it was easy, everyone would be doing it. The players are here, lets do it.

Posted by: ballgame21 | December 7, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

The players are here, lets do it.

Posted by: ballgame21 | December 7, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

GO GET 'EM JOHNNY E! GO CAPS!

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 7, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

ballgame21

Are you the hall monitor? I don't see anything wrong with talking about players/teams from the past. Maybe I need to read the terms and conditions a little closer?

They may not have been as talented as the players we have now, but they had twice the heart and character. Even with this teams high flying offense I MUCH preferred watching the teams from the 80's and 90's because when the final horn sounded, win or lose, the opposition knew they'd been in a game. They hated playing our team because they left nothing on the ice. Unfortuantely that is a horrible piece missing from the Caps today...

Posted by: FLDave | December 8, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse


Are you the hall monitor? LOL

FLDave- I think your points on DJK are the same as what I was saying(or trying to say). Your Sheehy encounter still is a good story even though you didn't get to scrap, that would have just made it a great story. While only having seen him fight and not you, I would still have put my money on you, he was over rated.

Posted by: FunkyGloveFacewash | December 8, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

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