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Morrisonn's Arbitration Hearing Scheduled for Tomorrow

No news of Shaone Morrisonn agreeing to a new contract, so that means he's going to let an arbitrator determine his pay for next year. Decisions must be announced within 48 hours of the hearing. If a team doesn't like the awarded amount it can walk away and the player can declare himself an unrestricted free agent.

Arbitration, as many of you know, can be brutal for a player, who gets to listen to team officials rip him apart during the hearing. Here's a bit of a refresher course in case you misplaced your handy copy of the CBA.

Things that are brought into consideration according to the CBA: pure statistical performance, injuries, "leadership qualities" and "public appeal." Both sides typically use player comparisons as a significant portion of their argument. The arbitrators aren't allowed to consider the financial situation of the team, the team's salary cap room or lack thereof or newspaper columns.

Morrisonn earned $900,000 last season when he ranked third among Caps defensemen in ice time, averaging more than 20 minutes per game. In 76 regular season games, he recorded 10 points (1G, 9A), 63 penalty minutes and was a plus-4.

Update: The Capitals just announced that they will open regular training camp at Kettler on Saturday Sept. 20. There will be a rookie camp the week before, beginning on Sept. 14 that wraps up with a game against, you guessed it, the Flyers' rookies at 3 p.m. on Sept. 18 at Kettler.

By Katie Carrera  |  July 23, 2008; 12:01 PM ET
 
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Comments

I never got to play because I plugged GMGM's daughter in the rear.

Posted by: steve Mnger | July 23, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I'm Moe Green.

Posted by: kevbpgc | July 23, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Are we taking over-unders on salary?

$1.5mm?

Posted by: keef | July 23, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I am predicting 1.75 for Mo.

Posted by: Sombrero Guy | July 23, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

1.5 million for mo

Posted by: wanax | July 23, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I thought it was on thursday, the 24th?

Posted by: oo7 | July 23, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Tomorrow is July 24th and a Thursday....Did you skip a day or something?

Posted by: #94 | July 23, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

what a brutal process indeed, a player has to listen to team officials rip him. he's a solid player in my book, I wonder what Caps officials will say during the arbitration:

"He spells his name really weird. He snores really loud. He's a lousy dresser. He smells. He drives a crappy car. He likes to eat liver. He listens to Britney Spears...."

Posted by: CapsFanInHollywood | July 23, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Arbitration only works for a one-year contract? In other words, they won't be working on, say, a 3-year, $5 mil, deal. It would be 1-year, 1.67 instead.

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | July 23, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Katie: Who arbitrates these cases? Are we talking actual judges, in actual courtrooms? Judges in private settings? NHL officials? Someone random?

Posted by: Ben | July 23, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Arbitration hearings are held at Denny's, usually with hand puppets and random slug riders.

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Anyone know if the arbitration hearing transcripts are made available to the public afterwards?

Posted by: Fro | July 23, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Hey Jschon,

I remember you came up with a list of the top eight teams you thought would make the playoffs next season but I dont know where to find them. Can you repost that thought and give me some explaination. I am intrigued with some of the move the East are making.

ANY BODY ELSE CAN DO THIS ALSO. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EVERYONE'S EAST PLAYOFF TEAMS WITH DIVISION WINS TOP THREE AND THEN WELL YALL KNOW HOW TO DO IT.

I am gonna think of mine and do a little research.

Posted by: #94 | July 23, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Arbitration doesn't always have to be a brutal process. Sometimes it goes that way, but if the team says "Mo is on par with players X,Y,Z that is why we are offering 1.5" and Mo says "i am more like players A,B,C that is why I am asking for 2.5" then its up to the judge to decide. Hopefully there aren't hard feelings.

Posted by: Sombrero Guy | July 23, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I will take rips from my boss all day long if they want to pay me 1.75 mil.

Too bad if ShaMo's feelings get hurt.

Posted by: Cry me a river | July 23, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

it will be nasty. the people who argue these cases are not going to be nice they will do everything they can to win.

Posted by: 68 | July 23, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

East:

1) Washington
(2 - 15) Everyone else!

West:

1-15) Doesn't matter. They'd all lose to CAPS in SC finals.

AAAAAAIIIIIIIIEEEEEEE!!!!!!

Posted by: ilikecaps | July 23, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

08/09 Eastern Conference playoffs teams

Washington - In Boudreau we trust
Montreal - Young guys, only going to improve this year. Awesome PP
Pittsburgh - They struck a deal with SATAN
New York - Gomez and Drury wake up, Lundqvist amazes
Buffalo - They're a solid team
Philadelphia - Bastards
Boston - Chara is good and Bergeron will be there to score goals. Also, Kobasew
Carolina - These guys always seem to be close, so I figure they'll beat out the Lightning for the last spot

Posted by: Jordan | July 23, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

1) Pittsburgh - Losing Malone, Hossa, Roberts means nothing if Cindy and Malkin stay healthy.
2) Washington - #1 seed not out of the question in my mind.
3) Buffalo - Bounce back year. They're talented, well coached, and play well together. They were better than their record last year, too.
4) Montreal - Last year was not a fluke, this team is young fast and skilled.
5) Philly - I see them occuppying the 4-6 seeds for the next 5 years.
6) Rangers - No Jagr = Addition by subtraction. This is Drury/Gomez's team now, no ifs ands or buts. Dubinsky is going to be good too.
7) Carolina - Snooze
8) Atlanta - Sleeper team. A full year with Christiansen, Armstrong. Enstrom developing. Esposito could be a surprise call - up. This is my "ballsy" pick.

Posted by: Ben | July 23, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Morrisonn really is a completely ho-hum defender, but thats not a bad thing. I mean if you look at his numbers, they have been very consistent.

He is going get you about 15 points a year, tops.

He is going to average 1 penalty minute per game.

He is going to register a little more than a hit a game and slightly less blocks per game.

He has been in the league for 5 years and has played a total of 278 games.

Morrisonn should get about $1.7M to $2.0M for 1 year.

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Jordan,

With Streit departing from the Habs, what does that do to their PP?

Posted by: Steve R | July 23, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Who should wear the "C" next year. I think Federov with Ovie and Poti as alternates.

Posted by: wanax | July 23, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Well it can be meaner than the team thinks he's like X,Y, and player thinks he's worth as much as A, B, C. If I correctly read that summary on Japers' each party submits a list of who they think they are comparable to which is narrowed down by the judge, then the details come out why the player is better or worse than the aforementioned alphabet players. When phrases like "he's a much lazier player than X" or "he doesn't pack the stands like player A," or "he's nowhere near the all-star calliber of B" then it starts to hurt. The judge doesn't just accept the lists from each side of who they're comparable to they break down whether they accept the comparison and why.

Posted by: Backstrom's Hair | July 23, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

1. Montreal - The Canadiens are good and have a very solid blueline. Price comes into his own this season. 106 pts

2. NJ - I really like the addition of Rolston. Add him to Parise, Elias, Gionta, Madden and Zubrus. Brodeur isnt slowing down. 105 pts

3. Washington - The scariest team in the East. Easily the best team in the SE, could represent the East. 105 pts

4. Pittsburgh - Malkin and Crosby are the best 1, 2 centers in the LEAGUE. MAF becomes one of the top 8 goalies in the league. I hate them. 103 pts

5. Philadelphia - A very good team, I hate them. 97 pts

6. Ottawa - Another good season, only to be wasted by a very soft team in the playoffs. Might still have the best line in hockey. 97 pts

7. Boston - Bergeron back, Fernandez back. Still a very good team. 96 pts

8a - Buffalo - They put it together this year. Signing Miller to an extension was big for franchise. 93 pts

8b - Carolina - Can't count them out. 93 pts

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Atlanta is not making the playoffs, especially not over Ottawa, Boston, and New Jersey. Florida would be a better sleeper pick than Atlanta in my mind. At least Florida has a goalie that can carry a team.

Posted by: nhcaps | July 23, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

@Steve R,

I dunno, they probably have somebody that can step up on the blueline. Kovalev is a monster on the PP though, and the Kostitsyns are on a huge upswing. They'll be fine. The only questionable part is Price.

Posted by: Jordan | July 23, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Plus they still have Markov, who is almost as good as Lubo when he's on his game.

Lubo of course being the standard against which all offensive defensemen are compared.

Posted by: Jordan | July 23, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

1. Tampa Bay - Best team in the league, hands down. I mean, did you see the moves we made this offseason!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?

2-15 A bunch of practice squads for us

Posted by: Lightning owner | July 23, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

nhcaps,

I don't know dude, Lehtonen can sure stand on his head at times.

Having said that, neither Fla nor Atl is making the playoffs.

Posted by: Steve R | July 23, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Florida doesn't have anybody to score goals anymore, what with the departure of the infant-faced Olli Jokinen.

Posted by: Jordan | July 23, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Streit's production

13-49-62

7pp goals

Posted by: Steve R | July 23, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

1. Montreal - They are bringing back most of the same players as last year and if you look, they were a very young balanced team as well. Lets see if the "Price" is right for them this year or he crumbles like in the playoffs.
2. Washington - What can you say, I think Semin has a career year and all 4 lines roll. The Caps could win the Cup if their D and Goaltender can allow less than four goals a game.
3. Pitt - Not the same team as last year. Their forward lines are massively depleted bt their D and goaltender looks better.
4. Philly - I think they lose to Pitt by a point or 2 just off experience in the Division. Hopefully they have a lot of injuries like last year.
5. Carolina - Always a hard team to play. With Brind'amour back they will be a much better team. The team goes as Cam Ward goes.
6. Buffalo - Great goaltending, great young talent but they lack a superstar. If Vanek plays well, they move up.
7. New Jersey - The trap stops working because of the new young high flyers in the NHL. Brodeur single handedly carries them into the playoffs.
8. NY Rangers - I did have them missing the playoffs but I forgot about how bad Tampas D was and how big Olie 5 hole is getting. They barely squeeze in though.


9. Boston - They play the most ackward game of hockey ever. And I'm pissed about the Caps losing that game when they dominated for 58 minutes.
10. Ottawa - I think this year it will show that a one trick pony will go no where.
11. Tampa Bay - What do you get when you have new owners that think big named played whos primes were 10 years ago win you the Stanley Cup....You guessed it.
12. Atlanta - Kind of my dark horse because they made a great trade for Hossa to get some young talent. But I don't think they have enough scoring.
13. NY Islanders - Franchaise goaltender? Where? I am confused about where this team is going under Mr. Snow.
14. Toronto - No Sundin, no Tucker, no chance. Who else will score on this team?
15. Florida - Voukoun might keep them in some games but not enough to get out of the cellar.

Posted by: #94 | July 23, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Form the Caps website:

Capitals to Open Training Camp Sept. 20 at Kettler Capitals Iceplex Team will host Rookie Camp beginning Sept. 14; rookie game vs. Flyers set for Sept. 18Jul 23, 2008, 11:42 AM EDT ARLINGTON, VA., - The Washington Capitals' 2008 training camp will open Saturday, Sept. 20, at Kettler Capitals Iceplex in Arlington, Va. A group of the team's young players and prospects will take part in rookie camp the week prior to the start of training camp, with those workouts beginning Sunday, Sept. 14. All on-ice sessions during rookie camp and training camp are open to the public and free of charge.

Rookie camp will conclude with a game against the Philadelphia Flyers rookies on Thursday, Sept. 18, at 3 p.m. at Kettler Capitals Iceplex. The game will be free of charge but will require a ticket - the Capitals will announce details on obtaining tickets at a later date.

Several special events and promotions will be featured throughout training camp. A full schedule of those events, practice times and rosters for both camps will be released in the coming weeks.

Wow, that seems really, really far away!

Posted by: BearsWoooo | July 23, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Ugh, that is really far away.

Can't wait! Gotta watch the Caps youngins hammer the Phailers rookies.

Posted by: Jordan | July 23, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

@keef (from previous board)- didn't mean to strike a nerve about Feds or Jurcina for that matter - never mean any dis-respect on this blog, I just wanted to know what you were thinking. Both JSchon and I said we thought it was a steep price but at 18mpg and .75ppg that equals 62+/- guaranteed points which gives us 10 additional wins for the year(or more), I think that is money well spent - and as for the captain, you may just see him with the "C" on his chest, you never know, but we did not re-sign him to be captain/babysitter as you say, we re-signed him to clean up the leadership lacking qualities from Clarkes absence, not to mention his good character and experience, mentoring not babysitting!
And lastly, as for Jurcina, when he starts playing NHL caliber hockey, I will get off his back, but I'm sure most fans here on this blog will agree, when you play with the big boys you need to step up to the plate and when you suck you deserve scrutiny/bashing whatever you want to call it, I just expect better period from a guy like him with that size otherwise he can be gone! No loss as far as I'm concerned! What will we get for him - Nothing because he isn't worth even a bag of pucks(as stated on previous blog)!!!! Sorry that is how I feel and I would love for him to prove me wrong, but I feel pretty safe based on last years performance.....If you can't find the passion to play for guys like Ovie,Feds,Backie,Laich,Kozie etc... and on down the line in a playoff push like the CAPS had this past season, then something is def. wrong - I see it and so do others - he doesn't belong in the NHL, it is a waste of a body and money!


Posted by: Greenie | July 23, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Calendar marked for that September 18th date.

Posted by: is it september yet? | July 23, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

@ JSchon
what is your take on the Rangers this year??...just wondering, because they didnt make your top 8/9?
I think it will be a long year for the Rangers, I don't like N.J. as much as you do....

Posted by: Capfannmiss | July 23, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Montreal - Rangers

4-2 Montreal - Too many weapons and Rangers have no tough guys to knock them around.

Washington - New Jersey

4-1 Washington - Caps dominate but Brodeur stands on his head one game at home. Caps seal it in the phonebooth in Game 5 with a 7 goal output.

Pittsburg - Buffalo

4-3 Buffalo - A year after making the show, MAF chokes and Crosby and Malkin can't score enough. Miller is MVP of the series.

Philly - Carolina

4-3 Filthy - This is the most entertaining series will fights, big hits, sort of like Wash-Filthy 2008. Philly wins the physical and sets up a rematch of this year.

Posted by: #94 | July 23, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Boston sold us a lemon in Juice.

As much as Erskine sucks, Jurcina is worse.

Posted by: Steve R | July 23, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

@Steve R
Thank you!

Posted by: Greenie | July 23, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

@Greenie

No nerve struck here - not sure if you saw my reply but I mentioned why I felt Feds was overpaid and I'll be the first to admit that Juice has not lived up to his potential.

Give him one more year and then show him the boot.

Posted by: keef | July 23, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Keef,

I'm wondering if he'll actually get a full season. If he's stinking up the joint... Waivers? Somebody might pick him up. Or trade him for a bag of pucks.

Posted by: Steve R | July 23, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Montreal - Buffalo

This one is great!! Two divisional rivals with similar styles of open ice play, playing hockey the way it was meant to be played. I see this one being the closest of the two. It comes down to I think, which goalie plays better and who is more physical. I have to go with Buffalo on both.

Buffalo 4-2


Wash - Flyer

Vengence Later!!!! This one is more physical then last years but no Umberger and with Richards chasing around OV, the scoring is in the hands of Lupul, Carter and Hartnell. Caps have learned their lesson on slow starts and because the Flyers went seven in the first, they are not ready for a rested Caps. OV kills Briere, Brash knocks Cote's brain out his ear.

4-1 Caps

Posted by: #94 | July 23, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Greenie,

You're welcome.
What did I do?

Can't wait for training camp to start.

Posted by: Steve R | July 23, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

@canfannmiss

Just not a fan of the Rangers offense at all. They take a nose dive this year IMO. They will lose a lot of 2-1 games.

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

@ Ben

I have Atlanta on the up and up also but you scare me when you don't have NJ who has made the playoff for the last million years. I think also a good play on Buffalo. This year was an off year but they always seem to be there.

Posted by: #94 | July 23, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

@ #94:

I was wavering between NJ and Carolina for the 7 spot. I really should have but Carolina/New Jersey, because both teams could make it and are completely boring and irrelevent to me at this point.

Posted by: Ben | July 23, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Washington - Buffalo

Haven't we seen this before :) Caps have home ice in the ECFs and pull out to a quick 2-0 lead with the red curtain completely destroying the ears of everyone inside. Buffalo strikes back twice and the series comes back to the both tied 2-2. Theodore steals game 5 and earns the paycheck and Greenie has the hattie. Miller stands on his head in game 6 but OV stands on it longer. OV has 2 third period goals and the Caps go to the Cup Finals to meet ..............................


Caps 4-2

Posted by: #94 | July 23, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Who do the Caps have to replace Juice at this point? Alzner will replace Pothier and send the sleastak (Erksine) to the stands most nights. Will some other young blueliner come up and make the squad? I think that Juice was part of the the ShaMo for Gonchar fire-sale trade, but I'm not sure. Still I think that Juice is a servicable 3rd pairing.

Posted by: JIM | July 23, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

@JIM

I dont see us making any moves for a defensemen this season until maybe the trade deadline.

We are going to see a lot of Jurcina.

And I hope we see more Lepisto than Erskine.

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

# 1 New Jersey - bringing back Holik is going to be huge for them, they regain their form

# 2 Montreal - Same team but not tops in the East this year

#3 Washington - Takes the SE, just like last year

#4 Philly - Going to lose the East by just 1 point

#5 Pitt - Crosby and Malkin make a late season push to get them in

#6 NY Rangers - Drury, Gomez, and King Henry single handily do it

#7 Carolina - They dont make the same mistake as last year, they squeek in

#8 Buffalo - They return to the playoffs, but this is as far as they go

1 vs 8 NJ vs Buff

NJ 4-1 Buff takes game 3 at home

2 vs 7 Mtl vs. Car

Mtl 4-3 'Canes come back from being down 4-2 and force game 7

3 vs. 6 Caps vs. NY

Tough call, depends on goaltending. Rangers take it 4-3, Henrik stands on his head, Jose lets a softy

4 vs 5 Philly vs. Pitt

Philly 4-2 Its Pitts worst nightmare, Flyers in the first round

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

@Jschon

I agree that Jurinca will be a regular for the Caps 3rd pairing and that Sami warrants more time than Erksine. I was reacting to some Juice bashing.

Posted by: JIM | July 23, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Holik won't make that much difference. NJ will not be a top 3 seed in the east -- more like 5-7. NYR is like a 7-8 seed along with the Canes.

Posted by: JIM | July 23, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

@JIM

Jurcina isnt great, he isnt horrible... he was bad in the play-offs... but so was everybody else except Green and Eminger... Green was bad in game 2.

At least Jurcina hits... he uses his body fairly well... and he is 3rd pairing guy... 12 to 14 minutes per game.

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Holik is what NJ has been missing.
He is a big slow guy who thrives on the trap style.

His addition brings back some of the park they had a few years ago..


watch..and you will see

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

The darkhorse is Toronto with Wilson -- he makes the TML much more compeititive.

Posted by: JIM | July 23, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

prediction

caps falter on bad goal tending down the stretch and miss the playoffs...returning them to the form we are all used to seeing.

Posted by: . | July 23, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

oh yeah, and OV gets hurt in November

Doesnt return till Feb

Posted by: . | July 23, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

@Jschon

Green had 2 highlights in game 1...2 goals

That was it..rest of the time he was terrible

Posted by: . | July 23, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Oh no there's a troll on the blog! Whatever will we do?

Posted by: JIM | July 23, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

7 points in 7 games... and 1 stinker... he had a hip flexor for game 7...

He was all over the place except for game 2 and 7...

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Woah woah woah woah woah........What the hell.....

Hey Chief Jr. GO STICK YOUR HEAD IN THE TOILET...

HEAD IN THE TOILET!!!!

Remember tough guy.....RUSSIAN MACHINE NEVER BREAK!!!!!! OV WINS MVP AGAIN

Posted by: #94 | July 23, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

If we could trade poti and kozlov for a legitimate shutdown guy, would it be worth it.

Posted by: 68 | July 23, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

big deal 7 pts in 7 games

he was brutal in game 1. If he didnt score, you'd be crucifying him for that game as well.
that was his only bright spot.

Posted by: . | July 23, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Why is it ok for everyone to say they hope that other teams have injuries, but nobody can predict one of the Caps gets hurt?

Posted by: . | July 23, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

if you are going to predict or hope that someone will get hurt, choose Jurcina or Flash.

Posted by: wanax | July 23, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

hahahahaha..

If he didn't play well, you'd be saying he sucked! Logic! Can't beat it!

Posted by: Jordan | July 23, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

@68

You're my new best friend...

I've been trying to trade Poti for months...
Kozlov, I like him, but I want Fehr to develop... and he is in the way...

Kozlov is a UFA at the end of the year, so hopefully he is gone after this year...

Poti is on the books for 3 more years... I'd love to trade him, hopefully to sooner than later...

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

@JSchon - Do you really think Jurcina is worth something? I'm totally lost with that one? - I think he is horrible - one of the worst I've seen in years......
@Steve for......."Boston sold us a lemon in Juice.

As much as Erskine sucks, Jurcina is worse."

Posted by: Greenie | July 23, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Who in here predicted or wished an injury to anyone?

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Aside from his 2 goals in game 1, what did he do right?

Nothing..he sagged back so far on Prospal's 2nd goal that he was sitting on Huet's lap..it was a 2 on 2, take the man.

Seemed like he wasnt willing to take the body in the corner and all of his outlet passes were terrible

Game 3 He coughed the puck up so many times on failed clears

Game 4, he stood with his thumb up his ass while Knuble score the game winner

I can go on and on

He was terrible most of the series, he lacks defensive ability. The man should be a forward.

Posted by: . | July 23, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

@Greenie

He is 25, doesnt take dumb penalties and hits and punishes people. He needs to work on clearing passes.

Erskine is the same guy but takes dumb penalites...

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

scroll up in the prediction standings, someone said that they hope another team has a lot of injuries

im not even trying to press buttons with predicting OV gets hurt.

He goes in for a hit, D man sidesteps, OV catches a rut in the ice and blows a knee

MCL out till Feb

Posted by: . | July 23, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

@Jschon

I don't have a big problem with Poti but I maybe someone is out there that will be a better fit.

We keep bringing in "puck moving" defenseman who supposedly can contribute on the PP. Pothier and then Poti. Neither one of them has lived up to expectations. Poti is a good defenseman and but he isn't a pp guy or goal scorer. We have green and now lepisto and hopefully godfrey at some point. All offensive dmen. Maybe we should try to send poti and a forward and maybe a pick to someone for a shutdown guy.

Posted by: 68 | July 23, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

@ Jschon -- just some cowardly anonymouos troll predicted injuries. The tool just wants to get a rise out of folks, probab;y from worthless town like Tampax, Philthy, or Pissburgh.

@ Greenie -- Erksine is too slow and clumsy to be effective. Too many out of position fast breaks and penalities.

Posted by: JIM | July 23, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

but I guess that shouldnt matter, because apparently the team is the greatest ever and missing a 65 goal scorer wont matter

right?

Posted by: . | July 23, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

@JSchon....that was the Jurcina before last season. Maybe I didn't focus on him, I'll give him this year, but that is it, no free-bee's he must be perfecto this year!
-Someone get rid of the "Troll"
Also Erskine is another bag of "PUCKS" what a waste..
How come we get the duds?!????

Posted by: Greenie | July 23, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Mindless babble...

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

No matter what, we'll be unstoppable with the centers we have.

Posted by: Jordan | July 23, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

send jurcina erskine and flash to islanders for witt

Posted by: unday | July 23, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Witt?

Oh geez... lets get band back together...

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Whats the backup plan when Jose starts stinking up the Booth and Johnson has to start the majority of games?

Unproven prospects?
An AHL goaltender.
golf?

Posted by: . | July 23, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

@ Greenie -- can you say, rebuilding leftovers for Juice and Erksine. They are affordable placeholders until Alzner, Godfrey and others emerge as NHL ready. I think Juice has a better upside than Erksine (a career AHL'er in my book).

Posted by: JIM | July 23, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Isnt that logic applicable to any team?

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm a troll and i want to lick cindy crosby's grundle.

Posted by: . | July 23, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

So without OV

Backstrom has nobody to feed the puck to
Kozlov wont benefit from the rebounds
Nylander, although injured last year, still wont do much this year
Feds is aging
Semin is lazy
Laich's 20 goals were a fluke
Green will score a few, but not enough to make a difference
and goaltending will be swiss cheese

I sure hope Brashear finds the scoring touch

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey what if Brodeur gets hurt and Weekes has to play the majority of the games?

Unproven prospects?
an AHL goaltender?
The Borgota?

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

That wasn't me! Some one else said that about Crosby. Stop it! Do NOT post usning my "."!!!

I am warning you!

Posted by: . | July 23, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

of course it is Jschon, but I think fans of all other teams actually realize if their best player goes down then they are finished

not here, people live in fantasy land thinking no matter what, because BB is being the bench and OV is on the team, they are going to make the playoffs when they barely made it last year.

Posted by: . | July 23, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

yes Jschon, if Brodeur goes down and Weeekes plays then NJ is finished, no matter how many goals they score or how much trap they play

Posted by: . | July 23, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I havent seen a poster in here say we are invincible with or without OV. Where did you read that?

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

its the attitude of everyone here, its almost assumed by most of the people here, with the exception of the educated hockey fans - I have nothing against those fans - that the Caps are a shoe in for the playoffs.


Posted by: . | July 23, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I see a bunch of predictions with varying results. Honestly, the Caps have as good a chance as any team to reach the ECF. So whats wrong with that.

I actually have you knuckleheads in NJ going to SC.

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

People seem to forget that we had like the second best record in the league for the last 2/3 of the season, and we charged into the playoffs. It's not like we were Carolina who almost made it due to inconsistency the entire season. We just had a crap start with a lame coach.

Posted by: Jordan | July 23, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I hope they dont hurt Mo too much I mean this guy had his jaw wried for what 2 weeks for the caps? and didnt he have a broken shoulder or somthing

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Yes... This is a Capitals Blog. What did you expect when you decided to visit us?

As far as the Capitals making the play-offs... When all the so-called Hockey geniuses come out with their predictions, I guarantee 90% of them have us winning the SE.

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

NJ will go deep. After all they have a fedorov on their team.

Posted by: 68 | July 23, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I ask the question, seriously, what if the caps do not make the playoffs?

How will everyone feel about BB and GMGM and TL then? How? Will the love affair go away and everyone go back to hating them and will the Phone Booth once again be empty?

I think people need to step back and see that there are 29 other teams competing for the cup and the thought that Washington will win a cup within 3-5 years is absolutely ridiculous. The only way that happens is with a complete overhaul of the D and a solid goaltender that will stick around for more than a year or 2.

Look at Detroit, how long had it been since they actually made any real noise in the playoffs? Years. Each season they would get in then didnt have what it takes to make any ground for the SC.

Thats the Caps, they have what it takes to be exciting but they do not have the personnel to make any noise in the post season. They may win 1 round but wont get past the 2nd round with what they have now.

Posted by: . | July 23, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Who said anything about being from NJ?

Id shoot myself if I lived in that wasteland just so they could airlift me to NY

Posted by: . | July 23, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Its not just us in WAS taking notice Mr. Boardwalk Fries that the Capitals are a very good team.

No one bases their predictions on injuries, maybe age but not injuries that arent there.

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

And dot-boy proves his lack of hockey knowledge by plainly telling us he doesn't understand why we signed Jose to only a 2-year deal.

Posted by: Jordan | July 23, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Jordan,
What was the caps record against playoff bound teams in the last 2/3 of the season?

If I recall, it wasnt that wonderful.

Posted by: . | July 23, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

That's exactly what people said in 2003 and 2006... when the Hurricanes and Lightning won...

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

No, I said that they need a SOLID goaltender that will stick around for more than a year or 2

JT is far from solid and was a terrible signing. Huet is on the same level as he is. The goaltending situation is a direct result of management not wanting to make Kolzig upset in the last few years.

they they would have just played business and gone and gotten an impact goalie, there wouldnt be this problem

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

If I recall? Look it up if you want that argument to carry any weight.

Posted by: Jordan | July 23, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

dot boy

we had something like the second best record in the league the last 2/3 of the season

Posted by: 68 | July 23, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

WTF are boardwalk fries anyway?

Posted by: . | July 23, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, losing back to back games in regulation only once or twice. How many teams could say that?

Just the one.

Posted by: Jordan | July 23, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

dot boy, boardwalk fries are a staple of every piece of trash resident of the garden state

Posted by: 68 | July 23, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

dot boy, boardwalk fries are a staple of every piece of trash resident of the garden state

Posted by: 68 | July 23, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Osgood is an impact goalie?
Fleury is an impact goalie?
Biron is an impact goalie?
Turco is an impact goalie?

Not one of those guys ever was nominated for the Vezina... All four were in the Final 4.

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

So, the CBA doesn't allow them to use this blog an our comments as evidence? I'm shocked. Maybe it could be used as evidence of "public appeal".

My over/under: 1.4

Posted by: old time hockey | July 23, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

So in order to be an impact goaltender you have to nominated for a Vezina?

Posted by: . | July 23, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Impact goalies...

Brodeur, Lundqvist, Nabokov and Kiprusoff all watching the playoffs on TV.

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

under 1.5 for mo

Posted by: unday | July 23, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Maybe if we had a sweet goalie like Vokoun or Luongo or Kiprusoff or Leclaire maybe then we could go far in the playoffs.. because they're carrying their current teams there, rite?

Posted by: Jordan | July 23, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

My point...

Its not necessary to have an impact goalie to win the SC, it helps but its not needed...

You need a complete team effort...

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

19-7-3 for the last 2/3's of the season against playoff bound teams.

"If I recall, it wasnt that wonderful"

What do you define as "wonderful"?

Posted by: Steve R | July 23, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

dot boy, theodore is an impact goalie and so was huet.

and varlamov, neuvirth, or holtby might turn into an impact goalie.

Theodore was the best option and the only real option that gmgm had at the time.

Posted by: 68 | July 23, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

My point is that you do not need to be a Vezina candidate to be considered 'impact.'


You need a goaltender that will give you a consistent effort and can steal a game away.
We saw that in Game 7 of the playoffs against Philly.
Biron stole the game for them. If not for him, Philly may not have won that game.

You dont need a Vezina to be considered top notch.

Posted by: . | July 23, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

goaltending situation is the fault of whom

Midget

CHIEF
...................

Oh yeah, thats me

too easy to get you all going

Posted by: Chief. | July 23, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Ok.. Biron is an impact goalie...

I'm done with you.

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

The only thing that can derail the Caps Train is injuries. In that case, can't blame BB, or GMGM.

Any "knowledgeable" hockey fan would realize that the Caps are a damned good team. Do you need a tampon there, "period"?

Posted by: Ben | July 23, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Hey JSchon,

Who was it that was in goal when the Flyers went on their TEN GAME! losing streak? I forget.

Posted by: Jordan | July 23, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

i am so negative because i have sand in my pink taco

Posted by: period boy | July 23, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Where would we be right now if we gave Huet $5.6M over 4 years?

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

We'd be sitting on an AHL team bursting with pissed off goalies.

Posted by: Jordan | July 23, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Dot girl.....Here's a quote from Snatch that define what you just walked into...

"So, you are obviously the big d*ck. The men on the side of ya are your b@lls. There are two types of balls. There are big brave b@lls, and there are little mincey f@gg*t b@lls. Now, d*cks have drive and clarity of vision, but they are not clever. They smell p*ssy and they want a piece of the action. And you thought you smelled some good old p*ssy, and have brought your two small mincey f@gg*t balls along for a good old time. But you've got your parties mangled up. There's no p*ssy here, just a dose that'll make you wish you were born a woman. Like a prick, you are having second thoughts. You are shrinking, and your two little b@lls are shrinking with you. And the fact that you've got "Replica" written down the side of your gun... And the fact that I've got "Desert Eagle point five O"... Written down the side of mine... Should precipitate your b@lls into shrinking, along with your presence. Now... F*ck off!"

Hahahahahahaha


GET A CLUE!!!

Posted by: #94 | July 23, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I think Poti did a fine job in the playoffs and logged lots of minutes. He was consitent in a Calle Jo kind of way. I would however like to get a guy like Regehr or Bouwmeester. Poti and Kozzie would not get you Regehr I think. How much more would it take than Semin to get Bouwmeester? The only player the Caps can dangle for a really good D-man is Semin, given OV and Backstrom are "untradeable?" Otherwise the best you can do is Poti and Kozlov for someone slightly better than Poti. And the $3.5M for Poti isn't bad when you consider Orpik gets more. Would you trade Poti for Orpik?

Posted by: Tom in FL | July 23, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

"Do you need a tampon there, "period"?"

Funniest quote of the day so far......

Posted by: hipcheck | July 23, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

so dot-turd how about that 19-7-3? no response to our record against playoff teams in the last 2/3 of the season? sheesh you suck.

all you guys/gals that are season ticket holders:

this is my first season with tickets, (all 44 including preseason) where are the best places to drink/eat in the area before and after games?

eastern conference prediction:

1. Ottawa
2. Washington
3. Pittsburgh
4. Montreal
5. Philly
6. Boston
7. New Jersey
8. Carolina

Posted by: pat | July 23, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Poti is fine, Kozzy is a beast. Our D isn't as bad as everyone thinks, except for the old J&E Express who can easily be replaced by guys already in our system. I think we all need to relax on the D front.

Posted by: Jordan | July 23, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Trade Poti for Orpik...

In a NY minute

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

@ Pat

Depends on what you are looking for. If you want a sit down with Super and the wifey, go to Clydes :)...If you are looking for exotic beers, RFD's is always good. IF you want to get sh*tcanned and be awesome, come to the Green Turtle and take shots with the boys on the right side. Its where all the magic happens.

Posted by: #94 | July 23, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

As of right now we have too many forwards (if clark is healthy).

What are your forward lines.

ovie - Backstrom - Kozlov
Semin - Federov - Laich
gordon- Nylander - Clark
Brashear - Steckel - bradley

Flash and Fehr in the pressbox
Laing in Hershey

Posted by: wanax | July 23, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

@ Pat

Errrr.. Ottawa at #1, I would seriously rethink that buddy...Other than that I like the picks

@ Jschon

What idiot would trade Orpik for Poti??? What does Orpik make again? Come to think of it but I might take some flack for this but I wouldn't mind a Poti for Hal Gill swap.

Posted by: #94 | July 23, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

OV/Back/Kozlov
Semin/Nylander/Laich
Flash/Fedorov/Fehr
Brashear/Stecks/Bradley

Clark wont be ready to play me thinks... You could also put Fedorov as RW on the 2nd line and have Laich C the 3rd line.

Flash/Laich/Fehr had some really good chemistry...

if Clark is healthy... then 3rd should be Laich/Fedorov/Fehr

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Lines, I think we've done these before. Oh well still fun.

Ovechkin - Backstrom - Kozlov
Semin - Nylander - Clark
Laich - Fedorov - Fehr
Brashear - Steckel - Bradley

Flash and Gordo assist Tarik in the pressbox and get in the lineup when Fehr and Brash/Brads have trouble.

Posted by: Jordan | July 23, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I just thought of this but I really wish Pothier was playing. I think he is a deal at 2.5 mil a year and then Poti would definitely be expendable.

Posted by: #94 | July 23, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

@wanax

Boyd Gordon cannot play LW, he's a natural center and an ok RW. Other than that, not bad. I like seeing Bradley on the same line as Steckel, they played well together last season.

Posted by: captnclark | July 23, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

dot boy:
"the thought that Washington will win a cup within 3-5 years is absolutely ridiculous" Really?!? Please ...

Posted by: Boo! | July 23, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Federov definitely needs to be with semin if only for defensive purposes. When nylander was the line 2 center with semin, that line had an awful +/-.

Posted by: wanax | July 23, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

OV - Backs - Fehr

Kozzie gets traded for season tickets for Jschon and a lifetime free beer voucher at the Phone booth for me.

Semin - Nylander - Laich

Flash - Feds - Clarkie

The Flash Experiment is almost over.

Brash - Stecks - Brads

Posted by: #94 | July 23, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

or

OV - Backs - Fehr

Semin - Feds - Kov

Laich - Nyls - Clarkie

Brash - Stecks - Brads


I pity BB for what he has to do. The lines could really be anything.

Posted by: #94 | July 23, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

About Nylander's +/-,

He had ONE ARM! He's been a plus player pretty much his whole career.

Posted by: Jordan | July 23, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Ovie - Nylander - kozlov
semin - backstrom - fehr
laich - federov - clark
brashear - steckel - bradley

OR

Ovie - nylander - kozlov
semin - backstrom - laich
flash - federov - clark
brash - steckel - bradley

Posted by: 68 | July 23, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I realize nyls only had one arm. And he is usually good in +/-.

But Federov and even backstrom are much better defensive centers. Nylander is an attacking center that can play pretty good defense. But he will always think offense first.

As much as I am a fan of semin, he won't be up for the Selke any time soon and a more responsible center might help his +/-.

Posted by: wanax | July 23, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, maybe. I like Fedorov on line 3, though. That's all.

Posted by: Jordan | July 23, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

@wanax...........that's because Nylander was injured - he played only 80% tooooooo long and his +/- suffered, I think we see a different Nylander this year. As for the most exciting player to watch that I get excited about every game - Laich - I think we really got something in him and I think he gets even better this year - here's to hoping!!

Posted by: Greenie | July 23, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

what about nylander centering ovie and kozlov?

laich - backstrom - semin

flash - federov - clark

brash - gordon - bradley

Posted by: unday | July 23, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

What the????????????????

Gordon over Steckel?

Posted by: #94 | July 23, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

thats right gordo over steckel

and flash over fehr

Posted by: unday | July 23, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Unday thinks it's opposite day.

And you gotta keep Ovie and Backstrom on the same line. They're going to be playing here for a long time, might as well let them stick together.

Posted by: Jordan | July 23, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

why does backstrom have to be on ovie's line?

that line was fine with federov at center and the semin laich backstrom line was strong against philly.

mix it up a little who know what might happen with a healthy nylander on line one

Posted by: unday | July 23, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

sombrero or anyone else

what does the cap hit look like with:

OVIE - NYLANDER - KOZLOV
SEMIN - BACKSTROM - CLARK
LAICH - FEDEROV - FEHR
BRASH - STECKEL - BRADLEY

SCRATCHES
FLASH
GORDON

MORRISON - GREEN
POTI - SCHULTZ
JURCINA - ERSKINE


alzner and laing in minors

Posted by: 68 | July 23, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

using 1.5 million for Mo's salary

Posted by: 68 | July 23, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Why would the cap hit be any different than what Sombrero's been telling us. We'd be about 500k over.

Posted by: keef | July 23, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

We'd be so screwed if the cap didn't go up. We'd have to use Varlamov or something to make it work.

Posted by: Jordan | July 23, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Who would win between the Caps and a hurricane?

The Capz

What if the hurricane was named Coach Ditka?

Posted by: 828 | July 23, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

If you think they are going to split up Backstrom on Ovechkiin - you are crazy. Those two will be on the same line for a long long time.

Posted by: 828 | July 23, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I didn't remember what he told us before or who was included on the roster.

If we are 500,000 over and clark is healthy and we are forced to waive someone, who would you choose?

flash, fehr, gordon, steckel, etc.

i think unless flash has gotten alot stronger and has a great training camp he has to be the guy.

Posted by: 68 | July 23, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

@828

I don't think any of the lines are set in stone. If nylander is better on the top line then that is where he will play.

Posted by: unday | July 23, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

828,

Coach Ditka from the Bears or Saints?

Posted by: Steve R | July 23, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

@ Polka Dot
I was going to ask if you were related to the Chief, but now I can see that answer. Please do move to Jersey and put your self out of your (our) missery.......

Posted by: Capfannmiss | July 23, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

is new jersey more or less disgusting than the city of philadelphia

Posted by: unday | July 23, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

This trade Poti talk is nonsense. Especially for Orpik, who is supremely overrated after the playoffs, and Hal Gill, who is 56 years old and slow as a donkey.

Poti was our steadiest D-man all last season, and he played with a broken shoulder half the season. Which leads people to forget: HE HAS OFFENSIVE UPSIDE.

Posted by: Ben | July 23, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah and by the way, he's a bargain at $3.5 million. That's Jeff Finger money these days.

Posted by: Ben | July 23, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Philly is much more disgusting. They put cheeze whiz and velveeta on cheese steaks for God's sake.

Posted by: Steve R | July 23, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Plus North East Jersey has some seriously kick-a@@ pizza.

Posted by: Steve R | July 23, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to stir things up! I really just want Crosby to pump me in my @ss! I love that boy so much I kiss his fat head good night every night.

Posted by: . | July 23, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

@unday
New Jersey & Philadelphia are equally as disgusting - don't think there is a difference! Not sure why they actually put a state line there - no difference!

Posted by: Greenie | July 23, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

@ 68
We could option anyone down to Hershey and still pay them the salary, but they would have to clear waivers, I don't think anyone would go after Steckle, or Flash.
It does have some risk, but you can actually be over the number that way.

@unday
For the most part , I believe you will see Backs with OV.....for obvious reasons

They may mix things up, if things are not clicking. There are SO many options with the talent/depth we have.

I don't think our D is as bad as everyone is painting it to be. Lets see how things pan out with what we got, before we start making drastic changes. Someone mentioned trading Semin? I don't see that happening......this guy has more natural talent than anyone on our team (including OV), he has a sick amount of talent, he likes it here, wants to stay here. This is gonna be a magical year for him if he can stay healthy and stay motavated the whole season.

Posted by: Capfannmiss | July 23, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

@Pat -

For drinks, I have always been a fan of Rocket Bar. They have nice long bars (multiple) pool tables, skiball, shuffleboard etc, and its right across from the MCI center. Green Turtle is fun too but it gets a little too packed sometimes.

Posted by: Sombrero Guy | July 23, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see OV-Feds-Semin for at least a little bit this year. Seemed to work pretty good at the worlds.

And what street is Rocket Bar on? I dont think I have ever seen it.

Posted by: Tim | July 23, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

For arbitration purposes, the club can ask for a judgement for either a 1 year or 2 year contract and then decide if its the number that works for them. If the club doesn't accept the amount, then the player is a Free Agent & any one can swoop him up. No matter what the terms of the contract, most guys that go the arbitration route are gone in a few years. so let's all say bye to Mo!

Posted by: arbi | July 23, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Mo won't be unrestricted for two more years.

Posted by: 68 | July 23, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

@capsfannmiss

Why the hell did you ask the troll back, he had been quiet since the entire blog showed him that he was an idiot. Lets use our heads here.

Posted by: #94 | July 23, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I think the big question is, where are we gonna go for away games....I think Summer's was working well, Bailey's also did pretty well.

Super has a place next to him that is awesome I heard, Gorgous George's.

Posted by: #94 | July 23, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

If the Caps pass on the salary required via arbitration, then Mo becomes a UFA.

Posted by: keef | July 23, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Bugsy's is a good joint for away games as well.

Wouldn't mind having good pizza with my beer.

Posted by: keef | July 23, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"sombrero or anyone else

what does the cap hit look like with:

OVIE - NYLANDER - KOZLOV
SEMIN - BACKSTROM - CLARK
LAICH - FEDEROV - FEHR
BRASH - STECKEL - BRADLEY

SCRATCHES
FLASH
GORDON

MORRISON - GREEN
POTI - SCHULTZ
JURCINA - ERSKINE


alzner and laing in minors

Posted by: 68 | July 23, 2008 3:06 PM"


@68

That roster would leave us with 20 skaters and 2 goalies (i added Johnson and Jose for ya) so we would be one short of the 23 man limit, which is allowed.

Under that set of circumstances, we would have a Cap Number of $55,506,101 with $1,183,899 left.

Alzner's cap number is $1,675,000 BTW, and as long as he is in Hershey, it doesn't count against us.

Posted by: Sombrero Guy | July 23, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Sombrero, your cap longer all along has included Alzner in the lineup?

Posted by: keef | July 23, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

The best place to watch a Caps game is at The Penalty Box.aka Bugsy's in Old Town.

They always have sound, and a siren when the Caps score.

Posted by: SA_Town | July 23, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

...not sure where that "longer" came from. :)

Posted by: keef | July 23, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Rocket Bar is actually underground, their Door entrance is right next to Ruby Tuesdays if I remember correctly and the bar itself is underneath.

http://www.rocketbardc.com/

and no, I don't work there. Just found it to be a favorable meeting place before or after caps games

Posted by: Sombrero guy | July 23, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I like to watch away games at Ovechkins house. I know where he hides his keys, and it's always empty.

Posted by: Stalker | July 23, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

@Keef

Yeah the Penalty Box is definitely nice.

I think we should vote on a game a week to go somewhere for if there arent too many home games and pick a new place each time. Call the place and say we are gonna have X amount of people, can we get a discount. I do that for my office happy hours all the time. I think Super even planted the seed at Gorgous Georges and I am sure if we called Mr. Watson and Summer's they would hook it up.

Posted by: #94 | July 23, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

@Keef

Yeah, My Cap number all along was assuming a 23 man roster, with Alzner making the team. U generally listed the players from highest to lowest cap number.

WITH Alzner, and without Mo, we're currently at 55,681,101
leaving 1,018,899 under the cap.

The post I made at 4:22 shows Alzner in the minors and Mo signed at 1.5 (i think it will be more like 1.75)

Posted by: Sombrero Guy | July 23, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh, OK - thanks. So I was ok, Mo added to that mix at 1.5mm would get us ~500k over the cap.

Posted by: keef | July 23, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

@Keef - Yeah, $481,101 to be exact.

One thing I am not sure about is how Alzner's cap number would get pro rated. 800K of that is potential bonuses, and 875K is salary.

If Alzner is on the team for half the season, does his cap number move down to 800K (bonuses) + 437,500 (half of 875)= $1,237,500?

Or does the cap number go in half down to $837,500 (1,675,000/2)?

Posted by: Sombrero Guy | July 23, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

thanks for the info on pre/post bars Sombrero and #94...gonna have to check out rocket bar. and bugsys for the away games

i like ov with backs on line 1, still cant make up my mind whether to put feds or nyls with semin on line 2. maybe i'll just change it up when the new nhl game on ps3 comes out and see which combo plays best. i'll keep you all updated :)

Posted by: pat | July 23, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

4 minutes to happy hour! Yeah! and one less day until hockey season!

Posted by: Greenie | July 23, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Trade Poti for Orpik...

In a NY minute
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jesus christ jschon, GIVE IT UP!!!. If you still cant see the value in having a player like poti on your team, especially at a VALUE price (he would have signed for AT LEAST 4 mill this summer), Im beginning to question you hockey insight, well, not beginning, that actually started a while back.

Posted by: TAKE DOWN YOUR ORPIK POSTER NOW!!!!!!!! | July 23, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Sombrero Guy, I just tried reading the CBA and there's a lot of lawyer talk there. I think performance bonuses count against the cap until they become unachievable. But there's a lot of "except as in accordance in Article xxxx" wording in there.

Posted by: tallbear | July 23, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

@sombrero,

And the annoying/intesting thing about the bonus moeny is that if he's only on the team for half the year, odds are he isn't getting much of that bonus money, since I think they are all tied to points/goals and awards or nominations.

Posted by: old time hockey | July 23, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

bte, orpik sucks (overrated and more expensive than poti)

Posted by: Anonymous | July 23, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

@Old Time

Thats why in years past, teams could exceed the cap by a certain percentage to account for the "bonus cushion" provided in the following season, the team is under by any amount they exceeded in the preceding season.

Until the NHLPA ratifies and extends the current CBA, this is technically the last year of the CBA so there is no bonus cushion.

I think I have posted this before but here is an article that explains it....

http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/bob_mckenzie/?id=242079

Posted by: Sombrero Guy | July 23, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Dudes, this sucks.

59 days until training camp (52 for rookie camp).

79 days until our 1st game.

80 days until our home opener.

I need a beer.

Posted by: Steve R | July 23, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Steve:
I don't even drink beer and I need one ...

Posted by: Boo! | July 23, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

My son WILL win the Vezina and the Stanley Cup...this season!

Posted by: Theodore's mom | July 23, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Alzner and Katie on WaPo Live - different segments though.

Stein's butchering his interview with him.

Posted by: keef | July 23, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I'll take Poti over Orpik. I like the full effort Poti gave in the playoffs.

BTW, NHL Network at 7 pm tonight has Caps - Flyers Game 3 from this year. We can hope the results change, but it's doubtful

If they leave Alzner down for half the season, the bonuses would very likely be unachieveable and the club would save the money. I haven't read the CBA, but the bonuses probably drop out of the equation like someone just said when they become unachieveable.

I like Backie w/OV and Nyls w/Semin. OV creates his own chances and Nyls I feel will be better served setting up the SNIPER (Semin) on a silver platter (like Nyls did w/Jagr). I'll put Feds w/Clark for even strength so they can play less mins and be #1 PK unit, with Laich and Steckel #2 PK unit. That means Laich is LW w/Feds & Clark.

Posted by: Tom in FL | July 23, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I gotta think with what Sombrero Guy has posted that the club will be hit with $1.675M divided by 186 days in the season for every day Alzner is with the big club. In my head, that's like $9K per day. Now, somewhere in the CBA tehre's probably a cluse that says when the bonus can't be met, it comes out of the equation. However, any bonuses like rookie-of-year and rookie all-star team wouldn't dissapate until after the season. Even, "Leads Rookie D-Men in +/-" would not go away. Only, "Games Played" and the like would. I hope he's good enough to make the club, which means the Caps are a better team.

Posted by: Tom in FL | July 23, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Predicitions on Mo?

Posted by: Boo! | July 23, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Predictions for Mo - above I read $1.5 - $2.0 ... I'm guessing $1.25 (taking the Price is Right approach - I don't want to be DQ'd for guessing over! ;-)).

Posted by: Boo! | July 23, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Here are cap figures for all D-men. Go to the lower right and hit the double arrow to get those under $1.5M:

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/sort.php?pos=D&type=nextcapnumber&order=DESC&i=50

Here is Klesa, same age, $1.65M, better numbers:

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app?page=PlayerDetail&playerId=8468484&service=page

Anyone can make a comparison just like what the club is doing.

Posted by: Tom in FL | July 23, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I have not read how many years are be arbitrated. Does anyone know if Mo filed for a 1 or a 2 year arbitration? I hope it is a 2 year deal so we don't need to do this again next year.

Posted by: Bob | July 23, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Also, game 2 of Caps - Flyers is 7 am tomorrow and Game 4 is 7 pm tomorrow night. I'm guessing then the rest of the series will be on later in the week.

Posted by: Tom in FL | July 23, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

No need to question my hockey insight... I question my own...

Orpik and Poti are two different players.

Orpik is a S@H with a bit of a mean streak.
Poti is an offensive minded join the rush guy.

Ask yourself who did a better job at expertise...

Orpik 239 Hits/ 125 Blocks/ 11 points/ +11
Poti 2 goals/ 27 assist/ +9/ 49 Hits/ 119 Blocks

Look, I admit, I DO NOT like Poti for a lots of reasons.

1. We have plenty of blueliners coming into the fold, and he is on the books for 3 more years @ $3.5M

2. He took two really stupid penalties in game 7 vs Philly.

3. We have plenty of scoring between M.Green and our forwards, it would be nice to have someone who can pass out of our zone and hit someone.

4. I could care less if its Orpik or anyone else who fits the bill. Someone just mentioned Orpik.

5. I was the one who said that Orpik doesnt make us an instant contender.

6. I really want Mike Komisarek this next summer, but he will cost $4M + and you cant have Green @ 5.25, Komisarek @ 4.5 and Poti @ $3.5.

So question my hockey acumen all you want, I dont care. It doesnt really matter to me.

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

I think Alzner's bonus is probably almost guaranteed. I think the bonuses are used for the high draft pick guys to defeat the maximum rookie salary in the CBA. The bonuses are also capped but this gets the salaries up and gives and incentive for these guys to sign.

If he makes an appearance in the NHL this year, I would be willing to bet that the entire bonus will count toward the cap on a pro rated basis. There are 182 days in the season and each day he is on the roster will count towards the cap. But you could send him down on off days which would basically be a paper transaction.

Posted by: wanax | July 23, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

It was I who brought up Orpik vs Poti, because their salaries are close. BTW, you forgot to give Orpik the advantage of age. And, one of those "stupid" penalties to Poti was completely bogus. Anyway, it comes down to do you want the grittiness or the offensive skill. Poti also has fine leadership. I'd love to have added Orpik but I'm not sure at the money. It's too close for anyone to get criticized for wanting one over the other.

Posted by: Tom in FL | July 23, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

So if pothier's salary gets taken off and Alzner is in the minors we can keep everyone. Even Laing.

I guess we keep erskine and jurcina and give them some more time to prove themselves. If that doesn't work, we can call Alzner or someone else up and try to trade someone or waive them.


Erskine is cheap so I guess that puts Juice on the hot seat along with a few of the forwards who need to improve (flash and fehr).

Posted by: 68 | July 23, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

McPhee owned Brendan Witt in his hearing and the result wasn't good for either the team or Witt. Well financially it was good for the team but he seemed to lose some spark after that.

Posted by: Justin | July 23, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

@Pat

If you want a good quick meal, go to Potbellys! They are located on 7th street. Great sandwiches and they also have shakes. I think some of the Capital players go to Clydes after the game. There are a lot of restuarant on the 7th street side of the verizon center.

Posted by: Erin | July 23, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Game 3 notes: Briere beat Erskine BADLY on the first goal. Great presence by Fehr in front of the net to tie it. The Jurcina giveaway was one of the worst plays in hockey you can see.

Posted by: Tom in FL | July 23, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

It says on TV Boston put Glen Murray on waivers with one year, $4.125M to pay. Here are stats:

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app?page=PlayerDetail&playerId=8458532&service=page

Do you want him? I'd say "No."

Posted by: Tom in FL | July 23, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

No... to Glen Murray...

Posted by: JSchon | July 23, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Bet he ends up in Russia.

Posted by: Jordan | July 23, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

I forgot Green got a "Gordie Howe Hat Trick" in Game 3. Got in a fight defending Mo who was a victim of a cheap-shot elbow.

Posted by: Tom in FL | July 23, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Glen Murray was good 3-4 years ago, but now is well past his prime. 4.25 -- no one bites and he'll be a UFA for a lot less money. He got screwed by Boston because most teams have too much money already tied up or the cellar dwellers have enough money to sign him. Ugh, imagine finishing a career in Columbus or Atlanta -- yuck!

Posted by: JIM | July 23, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

think part of the mo cost issue is gonna be what would it cost 2 replace him.. this season is a mess for that.

Posted by: jim* | July 24, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Just a clarification before the new thread comes out.

Not Gorgeous Georges, but Thirsty Bernie's.
-Lots of Flat Screens and I spoke with the owner and he said that he intends to show all of the games.

-I think that early preparation will help out with finding spots to watch away games.

Cant wait...

Posted by: Super | July 24, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Super:

I have not been to Thirsty Bernie's but friends who have worked for the chef in other restaurants say that he puts out very good food.

Posted by: uncatim | July 24, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

I'm worried about the Rangers. They lost Jagr, which will definitely help them b/c they won't be bringing their crutch to the rink every game. But they also picked up Markus Naslund from VAN a few weeks ago, and that scares me. I say NYR makes a 5-8 spot in the playoffs.

Posted by: Tex | July 24, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

@Tex,

I feel the rags could either be this year's surprise, feel good story or they will tank mercilously. I think it depends how Marcus and Gomez do. I'm still amazed with Drury so I can't see him not doing well but we'll see.

Posted by: MetalCap | July 24, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

@Super

I've never been to the place, but I really like the name...

Posted by: JSchon | July 24, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Slow day @ work. Any suggestions on the best hockey blogs to check out?

Posted by: Husky Hockey | July 24, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

@Tex

Trash Jagr all you want for his regular season play last year but you have to admit that he came to life in the playoffs.

I can't believe I just typed that.

Posted by: keef | July 24, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

My question to all is this. What is Mo worth on the open market. Would it not be smart of him to reject what ever the arbitor gave him and see what the open market would get him? Unless he got 2.5 mill or more. I am not sure what other teams have available cap wise, but 3.5 mill in this market does not seem unreasonable.

Posted by: Rich C | July 24, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

RichC, players have no walk-away rights.

Posted by: tallbear | July 24, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Mo would get anything like $3 million. Outside of Washington, I don't think too many people are familiar with him. NHL channel on XM for example has been talking about arbitration cases all week and you NEVER hear Mo's name. And there aren't that many cases to talk about!

Posted by: Jordan | July 24, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

@ uncatim re: Thirsty Bernies

I don't know where else he was a chef, but I will attest that he does put out awesome food and as a polock I will say that the Kielbasa sandwich and Pirogies are very good, not quite what Grandma used to make, but very good no less. They also have lots of drink specials. Hopefully they won't let me down on the hockey showing.

Posted by: Super | July 24, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Husky Hockey,
Check out japersrink.blogspot.com. He's got links to other blogs and a 1500+ blogroll to peruse on slow days.

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | July 24, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Here's a guy making $1.1M who put up Morrisonn kind of numbers but only played 39 games. Same age. Caps might use this guy to argue for the $1.1M:

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app?page=PlayerDetail&playerId=8469477&service=page

Posted by: Tom in FL | July 24, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I was reading about Philly's rookie camp this past week and they did this thing called 'Trial on the Isle.'

Where the rookies and current players that are in the area took part in a triathlon at the Jersey beach. It was actually pretty cool. It consisted of Biking Kyaking and Running I believe. It was all open to the public to come check it out.

It'd be cool if the Caps did something like that during their prospect camp next year. Its neat to see the players in an environment other than hockey.

Posted by: TJLAVS | July 24, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

When people talk about lines, and miss the cap, it becomes clear to me that we will need to dump around $2.5M based on Mo's results.

If Pothier isn't healthy, his $2.5 helps. however, that leaves us 6 D-men, and puts our 7th in Schultz.

The only other option (which is unpopular) is to trade Clark.

My lines:

Ovy - Backstrom - Koz
Ovy and Back together for consistency
Laich - Nylander - Semin
Semin on RW during Ovy's long shifts
Flash - Fedor - Fehr
Feds with less 5-5 but on top PP and 2nd PK. Like the 3F line.
Brash - Steckle- Clark

Gordon & Brads sit.

Posted by: fricknoutstandin | July 24, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

@TJLAVS

Have you seen that show 'Wipeout?" Maybe they could set that up.

Philly fans are such trash. Im surprised they didnt make them do an Ultimate Fighting Championship tourney.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

@ jmu_capsgirl I read Jasper's Rink all the time. Didn't even't think about the blog roll. Thanks for the info.

Posted by: Husky Hockey | July 24, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

@Tom in FL

Only problem Tom is that he is up for his second contract just like Morrisonn. You need find a player that already has his 2nd contract.

The two of them are in the same boat just a year apart. Mo this year, him next.

Posted by: JSchon | July 24, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Not a problem. Its kept me sane through some really awful classes the past semesters. Glad I can help alleviate somebody else's boredom.

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | July 24, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

OV gets cake in the face

http://kp.ru/video/7360

Posted by: Steve R | July 24, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

And in case anybody cares, the banners on the Randolph side of Kettler are Bondra, Gartner, Backstrom, Semin, Hunter, and Clark.

Posted by: Jordan | July 24, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

@Jordan

They need a giant inflatable blimp of Boudreau above Ballston if they really want to get some attention

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Opppppppsssssss

Thirsty Bernie's it is....How the hell I got Gorgous George's is behind me. I just figured it was some gay bar Super likes to hang out and I was like what the hay. If us being around makes him comfortable enough to come out the closet then it is our duty to help this gay bastard out.

Posted by: #94 | July 24, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Opppppppsssssss

Thirsty Bernie's it is....How the hell I got Gorgous George's is beyond me. I just figured it was some gay bar Super likes to hang out in and I was like what the hay. If us being around makes him comfortable enough to come out the closet then it is our duty to help this gay bastard out.

Posted by: #94 | July 24, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Why is everyone (well not everyone) throwing Alzner in the "show" already? Has anyone seen him play against NHLer's at this stage of his career? I haven't. Lets wait until Sept before giving this kid a starting job. My feelings are that he will start in Hershey.

Posted by: #94 | July 24, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Alzner got some pre-season action last year, so he has been out there with/against NHLers but obviously not in a game situation.

Posted by: keef | July 24, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

JSchon: Ok, so this guy (forget his name) is making 1.1 this year whereas Mo got 1.0 last year. So this guy will use Mo results next year rather than vice versa. It's hard to tell exactly where they are in the contract years. You obviously did extra research. So the only way to compare is find someone who has completed five contract years, is the same age, has played a similar number of games and has already signed for this year. I think I posted a player last night who had better numbers and was $1.65M. I was searching for a second comp.

Posted by: Tom in FL | July 24, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

@Tom in FL

Someone way smarter than me already did the research on Mo. From what I can remember his number based on 3 comparables was around $1.7 to $2.3M. This sounds like an appraisal...

Posted by: JSchon | July 24, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

@94

Alzner hasn't seen NHL action yet.. but that's no reason to not expect him to this year. The kid was scouted to be one of the most NHL-ready kids out of the draft last year. Although I am a supporter of letting young defenders mature, I happen to believe what i've read that he's capable of handling the NHL style of play.

If St. Louis started Eric Johnson in '06 and let him play 69 games last season, is it unreasonable for us to use Alzner this season? Especially when you look at the '06 top 5 of Johnson, Staal, Towes, Backstrom, and Kessel. All had roles last year for their teams.

That and add the fact that BB is probably one of the best coaches for young players, I think it makes sense to bring Karl up this year.. let him see what he can do, and then move him back if need be. But I'd give him a serious look at having a spot this year.

Posted by: fricknoutstandin | July 24, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I haven't participated in a fantasy league before and was wondering:

1. What site do folks recommend I join?

2. Are enough people here interested in getting a league together?

Posted by: keef | July 24, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Here's a player, Christoph Schubert, is 25, has played three years and is two years from UFA, similar to Mo. His stats are slightly better and he's making $900K this year and next:

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app?page=PlayerDetail&playerId=8469575&service=page

The comparibles are all over the place.

Posted by: Tom in FL | July 24, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

@frick

I look at it the other way. Because of his cap hit, I would start him in Hershey to get some real playing time.

The guys you are referring to played on garbage teams. St Louis has had a winning season in ages and in Chicago, the best forward other than the two rooks was a 40 yr old Robert Lang. Two Garbage teams.

Also, it is easier to introduce a rookie who is a forward rather than a dman. That is why you have only heard of a few dmen ever going straight from the Juniors to the show. The guys are alot bigger, faster, and the game speed is not even close.

I am not saying he might not be ready later in the season, but I would rather have him playing 23 minutes a night in Hershey not hurting our cap then 10 to 12 minutes a night with the big club making 2 mil.

Also, BB is good with young players but he is no longer a farm team coach in bumf*ck. He is up with the big club and I imagine he will understand that molding a NHL dman at 19 in the big show playing 10 to 12 minutes a night is doing more hurt than good. Especially on a team this good.

I pretty sure he will be in Hershey with Godfrey.

Posted by: #94 | July 24, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Before we place Alzner anywhere, we need to how he plays with NHL level talent. He may have impressed during developmental camp, but that was against other youngsters. Let him go against OV a little in practice, then we can tell GMGM where he needs to go

Posted by: Leeguru | July 24, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

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