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Posted at 5:45 PM ET, 01/20/2011

Open thread: Capitals at Islanders

By Washington Post Sports Editors

logologo Braden Holtby will start in net for the Washington Capitals (25-14-8) tonight against the New York Islanders (14-23-7) as both Semyon Varlamov and Michal Neuvirth deal with lower-body injuries. Both goalies are listed as day-to-day.


Faceoff: 7 p.m., Nassau Coliseum; TV: CSN; Radio: 1500 AM

Update: 6:38 p.m.
Brian Fahey was recalled by the team this afternoon and although he didn't take part in line rushes it's possible he could play if John Erskine is unable to go. Although Brian Fahey skated in warm-up he's been scratched for tonight's contest.

Based on warm-up here's what the lineup should look like against the Islanders:

Forwards
Ovechkin-Backstrom-Chimera
Laich-Johansson-Knuble
Hendricks-Perreault-Beagle
King-Steckel-Gordon

Defense
Schultz-Green
Alzner-Carlson
Erskine-Hannan

Goal
Holtby
Neuvirth

Scratches: Brian Fahey, Michal Neuvirth (lower body) and Eric Fehr (shoulder)

By Washington Post Sports Editors  | January 20, 2011; 5:45 PM ET
Categories:  Lineups, New York Islanders  
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Comments

LETS GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: ludeman95 | January 20, 2011 5:53 PM | Report abuse

The Lurch Papa said that Boudreau should be fired if the Caps lose tonight. C'mon boys, lay an egg!!!

Posted by: Matt252 | January 20, 2011 5:53 PM | Report abuse

C'MON CAPS!! Giving me something good to write about, #4 & 17 specifically and anyone else in general!! Just listened to "Samson & Delilah" and the boys belted, "If I had it my way, I would tear this old building down!!"

Made me think of hunterforcoach's plea to burn buildings down, and me responding to him that we'd burn Al Arbour's old building down. Coincidence, or a sign from the Hockey Gods that tonight, finally, we'll make love to our tvs instead of huling the remotes at them??

Posted by: vermontcaps | January 20, 2011 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Looks like we can all stop thinking about Nabby.

EJHradek_ESPN EJ Hradek
McPhee has been consistent with that. RT @MattBarnabyESPN: Wash guaranteed won't b the one picking up nabokov! They r happy with their Gs.

I think it is a moot point because I think someone before us takes him since his Cap hit will be just over $500,000.

Also vermontcaps my only need one hand tonight all 7 D took warmups but "Erskine is on the ice for warm up but he didn't look quite right at the am skate, so we'll have to see which defensemen face the Isles." according to Katie.

Posted by: icehammer97 | January 20, 2011 6:39 PM | Report abuse

You guys keep me posted on the game. I'm at work & I can't get the feed.

Posted by: chriscaps | January 20, 2011 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Its so so long overdue...

TIME FOR OUR STARS TO SHOW THE F UP!!!

EARN YOUR FAT CHECKS AND EXTENDED CONTRACTS!!!

GO CAPS!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | January 20, 2011 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Just looking at the line-up, we are HURTING on the right side. Getting back Semin, Fehr, and Bradley will help out tremendously.

That being said, if I hear Boudreau, Ovie, Green, Knuble, etc. say after this game that "We needed to shoot more/ Crash the net more" I would fire EVERYBODY!!!!!

Posted by: Albright4Snapper | January 20, 2011 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Ovechkin has a break out game tonight. He's going to top Gaborik's performance from last night.

Posted by: chrisclarksucks | January 20, 2011 6:55 PM | Report abuse

@vermontcaps

so ur a dead fan huh!! i guess that makes up for some of that crazy stuff u be writing!! Its all good.But whats not good is our goalie situation.With holtby in net i hope our D is on top of there game cause otherwise its gonna be a loooong night.I like holtby and all but hes not NHL ready.I hope he is tonight!! GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: gratefuldid | January 20, 2011 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I like Alan May telling it like it is b4 every game. I think he said "in front of the net" six times in 5 sentences.

Posted by: Dizruption | January 20, 2011 6:57 PM | Report abuse

maybe we need to go "might ducks" on chimmy and break out a carton of eggs so we can work on softening up those hands.

i have to admit the top line did seem to start skating better and generating better chances when he was there.

now i'm not sure if that's because it was the third period and that's the only period the top line plays or if it was having chimmy on that line.

Posted by: natresgroup | January 20, 2011 6:59 PM | Report abuse

vermontcaps is happy #4 is in

Posted by: icehammer97 | January 20, 2011 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Ok what happens first? King fights or Islanders score?

Posted by: icehammer97 | January 20, 2011 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Interesting not only are the Pens playing without Crosby or Malkin but they are starting Jonny (let in goal on first shot). I guess they want every excuse they can get for losing tonight.

Posted by: icehammer97 | January 20, 2011 7:13 PM | Report abuse

NOW THATS WHAT IM TALKIN BOUT!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | January 20, 2011 7:13 PM | Report abuse

New Line!!

Posted by: Albright4Snapper | January 20, 2011 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow...we scored first! Nice!

Posted by: RITdude | January 20, 2011 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Maybe BB is smarter then some think with that new top line.

Posted by: icehammer97 | January 20, 2011 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Time for bb to change the lines again

Posted by: Dizruption | January 20, 2011 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Do these points count for Ovie as a LW?

Posted by: Albright4Snapper | January 20, 2011 7:17 PM | Report abuse

I dont like Hannan's decisions with the puck offensively.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | January 20, 2011 7:18 PM | Report abuse

LOL! I just finished grumbling about Chimera's "worthless rear end" starting on the top line and he scores.

Boudreau should call timeout here and go to his dictionary to make sure everyone knows the meaning of the word "lead".

Let's play hockey tonight, guys, c'mon!

Posted by: fanzee71 | January 20, 2011 7:19 PM | Report abuse

With the 2-man forecheck pressure and D pinching in, it looks like Bruce almost went back to his old system.

Posted by: Albright4Snapper | January 20, 2011 7:20 PM | Report abuse

What we did to Chris Clark we need to do to K-useless

Posted by: Albright4Snapper | January 20, 2011 7:28 PM | Report abuse

stinky work on the pk

lucky to come away unscathed

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | January 20, 2011 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Parros just TKO'd Orr --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-VIyhVu8DQ

Posted by: Matt252 | January 20, 2011 7:29 PM | Report abuse

what an awful sequence leading up to that penalty

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | January 20, 2011 7:32 PM | Report abuse

We have got to stay out of the box. NY had no great chances until the first one and they now have drawn a second one to keep it up on.

Posted by: icehammer97 | January 20, 2011 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Knuble's having a rough start to this game.

Tried to do too much on the first PK and nearly cost us a goal against.

Just now, he failed to clear the puck and that led to him taking a penalty about 30 seconds later.

Posted by: tmac2yao | January 20, 2011 7:34 PM | Report abuse

@tmac2yao Knuble is having a rough end to his career.

Posted by: Albright4Snapper | January 20, 2011 7:36 PM | Report abuse

It's a good sign when Alex draws penalties.

Posted by: Terptwin | January 20, 2011 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I am going to make a sort of bold pick as to who ends up with Nabby. I am going to say SJ beings him back. They only let him go because he wanted so much early in Free Agency and they just put Nitty on LTIR and are dressing a college goalie on a one game try out tonight and their two goalies currently have them out of the playoffs in the West and he has been successfult with them in the past.

Posted by: icehammer97 | January 20, 2011 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Backs is skating and puckhandling like his old self

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | January 20, 2011 7:39 PM | Report abuse

PP
STILL
LOST

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | January 20, 2011 7:40 PM | Report abuse

@tmac2yao Knuble is having a rough end to his career.

Posted by: Albright4Snapper | January 20, 2011 7:36 PM | Report abuse


At least he isn't Favre.

Posted by: icehammer97 | January 20, 2011 7:41 PM | Report abuse

The true value of the K-Bus must show up in the playoffs.

If he doesnt show up then, its over.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | January 20, 2011 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Knuble has been our best F the last 15 games or so. Don't understand what you guys have against him.

On Nabokov someone mentioned that the Red Wings and Devils have an agreement for the Devils to claim him and then give the Devils a pick to make sure they get Nabby

Posted by: ThePat | January 20, 2011 7:49 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat, where did you see that? It is an interesting and good idea.

Posted by: icehammer97 | January 20, 2011 7:52 PM | Report abuse

For those who don't use Twitter. Avs announce Flash done for the season with pulmonary emboli

Posted by: icehammer97 | January 20, 2011 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News --- Flash out the rest of the year with some odd condition. Crazy.

Posted by: Matt252 | January 20, 2011 7:54 PM | Report abuse

From Wiki

"Pulmonary embolism (PE) is a blockage of the main artery of the lung or one of its branches by a substance that has travelled from elsewhere in the body through the bloodstream (embolism). Usually this is due to embolism of a thrombus (blood clot) from the deep veins in the legs, a process termed venous thromboembolism."

I remember at the end of the playoff series against the Pens he had a deep vein thrombosis on the plane ride home. I wonder if that helped cause this. Either way I feel bad for him. I think he took a lot of blame for stuff that wasn't his fault and I home he gets better.

Posted by: icehammer97 | January 20, 2011 8:00 PM | Report abuse

by GOD I think they HEARD ME!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | January 20, 2011 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Finally Backy!

Posted by: icehammer97 | January 20, 2011 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Nice goal but just before that, there was a prime example of 8's weak board work.

Did you see how easily the d-man stripped him off the puck behind the Isles' goal?

8 got to the puck first and had inside positioning and it took a split second for him to lose it.

Posted by: tmac2yao | January 20, 2011 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey Locker, ask 8 if he thinks he's working hard enough along the boards.

19 and 22 are great on the boards while 8 is pretty much awful. I think it's a combination of poor work ethic and technique. I don't think it's just the curved stick that makes him so lousy in that area of the game.

Posted by: tmac2yao | January 20, 2011 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Our top line showed up tonight!

Posted by: Terptwin | January 20, 2011 8:05 PM | Report abuse

that kid is fast

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | January 20, 2011 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Get well soon Flash. Scary condition. Has to be on blood thinners for a few months.

Posted by: ThePat | January 20, 2011 8:05 PM | Report abuse

This is not Flash's first Blood problem.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | January 20, 2011 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Ovie still seems uninterested. Maybe he's having woman problems.

Posted by: Albright4Snapper | January 20, 2011 8:09 PM | Report abuse

That is scary news about Tomas. I seem to recall he had to fight a blood clot a few years back. I'm praying that he enjoys a full recovery.

Posted by: Terptwin | January 20, 2011 8:10 PM | Report abuse

great kill

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | January 20, 2011 8:11 PM | Report abuse

The Canadian Press

2009-09-13 19:30:00

ARLINGTON, Va. - Washington Capitals forward Tomas Fleischmann will miss the start of the regular season with a blood clot in his leg.

The team thinks the clot might have formed during Fleischmann's long flight home to the Czech Republic at the end of last season. Coach Bruce Boudreau said Sunday that Fleischmann is expected to return to practice in early October.

Fleischmann scored a career-high 19 goals last season.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | January 20, 2011 8:16 PM | Report abuse

who was the analyst on post game live before alan may?

Posted by: bagasome | January 20, 2011 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I absolutely HATE it when they keep passing it back to the point when they have it down low instead of just throwing it on goal.

Posted by: Albright4Snapper | January 20, 2011 8:19 PM | Report abuse

@bagasome

Joe Reekie

Posted by: RITdude | January 20, 2011 8:20 PM | Report abuse

We have got to score on that with the goalie out of the net like that.

Posted by: icehammer97 | January 20, 2011 8:22 PM | Report abuse

I hope we dont pay for that golden opportunity with Ricky D out of the net.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | January 20, 2011 8:22 PM | Report abuse

@RITdude

I thought their was someone between reekie and may?

Posted by: bagasome | January 20, 2011 8:22 PM | Report abuse

I could knock Ovie down.

Posted by: Albright4Snapper | January 20, 2011 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Well if ever there was a time to send out King to remind NY that they should think twice before going after Ovechkin it is now.

Posted by: icehammer97 | January 20, 2011 8:27 PM | Report abuse

I imagine the Isles are one of the softer teams in the league and they're still unafraid to target 8 and others.

The Caps are far too soft.

Posted by: tmac2yao | January 20, 2011 8:27 PM | Report abuse

@Hamma

How many times have I told u to stay out of my head!?!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | January 20, 2011 8:27 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat
Knuble has been our best F the last 15 games or so. Don't understand what you guys have against him.

Is this a typo?

Posted by: Albright4Snapper | January 20, 2011 8:28 PM | Report abuse

@Albright I would love to see you try. Even if he stood still so you could catch him you would go straight to the ice. Heck even if he was on ice without skates you would still fall over trying to knock him down.

Posted by: icehammer97 | January 20, 2011 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Poor Flash. Very treatable but scary condition. Heparin, Coumadin, Lovenox, or Plavix (blood thinners) are in his future for a few months.

Wishing him well.

Posted by: nicety251 | January 20, 2011 8:30 PM | Report abuse

8 Seems "uninterested?"

He has 2 points on the teams only two goals. He had a great pass to Chimmy's stick for the first, and he crashed the hell out of the net to open up Backstrom for the 2nd.

What the heck more do you people want?

Posted by: VTDuffman | January 20, 2011 8:31 PM | Report abuse

What would be nice is if in the 3rd, the refs do their job and even up the PP's. And we get 2 PP goals in the 3rd to close this thing out in regulation.

...scenario with STARS included.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | January 20, 2011 8:32 PM | Report abuse

I could knock Ovie down.

Posted by: Albright4Snapper | January 20, 2011 8:25 PM

It's remarkable how he easy to knock off the puck, in open ice or along the boards.

I remember Laich once talking about how hard it is to knock 8 off the puck in practice. Either 8 does a good job of hiding that ability in real games or 21 is just such a wuss that he can't do what some of the kids around the league do with ease.

Posted by: tmac2yao | January 20, 2011 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Thanks wtf_e_fehr.

I imagine Tomas has a predisposition to blood clots. He's very fortunate his condition was caught in time.

I found some good reading about Tomas' condition at the Mayo Clinic site: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/pulmonary-embolism/DS00429

Posted by: Terptwin | January 20, 2011 8:33 PM | Report abuse

@icehammer97 I hope you know I was kidding. I can't even skate.

Posted by: Albright4Snapper | January 20, 2011 8:33 PM | Report abuse

wow, bad news for Flash! Very sorry to hear.
Almost definitely traveled from the embolism he had in his leg. A friend of mine just had one of these - it's life threatening. Let's wish him well...

Posted by: RedLitYogi | January 20, 2011 8:36 PM | Report abuse

There are so many different areas of the game aside from hitting that require hard work and grit.

8 has the rep of being tough but the only area that he ever shows it with any consistency is when he's delivering hits.

Well-timed hits and finishing your checks without taking yourself out of position are great but there are many other areas of the game where you can display strength and toughness.

19 is head and shoulders tougher than 8 in every other area other than hits (work along the boards, using his body to protect pucks, using his stick on and off the puck, etc...).

Posted by: tmac2yao | January 20, 2011 8:37 PM | Report abuse

@bagasome

Hmmm negative. It was Reekie and then May. Perhaps someone did came in between. Couldn't tell you because I was in college in NY the past few years.

Posted by: RITdude | January 20, 2011 8:38 PM | Report abuse

@tmac. The first hit he was had no momentum as he had to wait for the pass but as soon as he got up he got the puck back and had just gotten it out of his feet when he was hit the second time. When the puck is it your feet like that everyone is easy to take off the puck because you are moving your feet in an odd way to kick the puck and do not have a good center of gravity.

Posted by: icehammer97 | January 20, 2011 8:40 PM | Report abuse

I feel bad for Flash but, that trade is looking really great right about now.

Posted by: chriscaps | January 20, 2011 8:41 PM | Report abuse

@tmac, it is hard to really compare the ability to use the body to shield the puck of the two because Backstrom almost never has two or more guys on him like Ovechkin does very often. On the second goal Ovechkin did a great job of protecting the puck as he drove the net and created the goal for Backstrom. A lot of times Ovechkin puts the puck on one side to get around one guy and a second guy on the other side takes the puck. He can't use his body on both sides to protect the puck.

Posted by: icehammer97 | January 20, 2011 8:44 PM | Report abuse

I have an idea gang. How about we leave some good words for Tomas on his team's blog site? I'm sure he could use a boost (during the upcoming days).

http://blogs.denverpost.com/avs/2011/01/20/avalanches-fleischmann-out-for-the-season/5902/#disqus_thread

Posted by: Terptwin | January 20, 2011 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Knuble has been our best F the last 15 games or so. Don't understand what you guys have against him.

Is this a typo?

Posted by: Albright4Snapper | January 20, 2011 8:28 PM

22 had a rough start to this game but I totally agree with you and have made the point several times.

All some people look at our his goal total and don't realize that unlike 8, he provides value in several little areas that don't show up on the scoresheet when he isn't putting up points. He's one of the better players we have along the boards, he's surprisingly decent on the PK despite his lack of speed and he is usually conscious of his positiong on ice.

About the only thing you can say about 8 when he isn't scoring is that because of who he is, he attracts attention which should theoretically open up ice for his teammates. Then again, low end players are having no trouble stopping Mr. Predictable these days and he doesn't work hard enough along the boards and in other areas to make up for his lack of skill plays.

Posted by: tmac2yao | January 20, 2011 8:45 PM | Report abuse

@ChrisCaps

"I feel bad for Flash but, that trade is looking really great right about now."

---

That was my first thought as well.

Hey, where are we going, and how did we get in this handbasket?

Posted by: VTDuffman | January 20, 2011 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me, that was a response to The Pat. Got mixed up with who wrote it. Same point though.

Posted by: tmac2yao | January 20, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

8 should put a pair of skates on his ass cheeks. He spends so much time there.

Posted by: tmac2yao | January 20, 2011 8:52 PM | Report abuse

I just sometimes think that besides leadership, Beagle can do the same thing as Knuble given the same ice time.

GO TERPS!!!

Posted by: Albright4Snapper | January 20, 2011 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Bs call

Posted by: Dizruption | January 20, 2011 8:53 PM | Report abuse

This Penalty stuff is starting to get silly.

I thought the refs were supposed to at least pretend like they were calling the game evenly.

Posted by: VTDuffman | January 20, 2011 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the link to the Avs site, Terptwin. I just took you up on your suggestion and hope others here will too.

Posted by: wocoliz | January 20, 2011 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Have to think next call is on them but who knows at this point.

Posted by: icehammer97 | January 20, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Ovie changes lines at weird times

Posted by: Albright4Snapper | January 20, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Ouch. Not a good hit.

Posted by: Albright4Snapper | January 20, 2011 8:59 PM | Report abuse

So Hillen gets up after the play was stopped because he was "hurt" and goes after Hendricks and still gets nothing? What does NY have to do to get called here in the 3rd?

Posted by: icehammer97 | January 20, 2011 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Are we the softest team in the league?

Posted by: tmac2yao | January 20, 2011 9:02 PM | Report abuse

@icehammer

I was wondering the same thing.

Posted by: nicety251 | January 20, 2011 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I would put King in front of the net and tell him to not move. In fact, I would put the whole 4th line out there.

Posted by: Albright4Snapper | January 20, 2011 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Couldn't the refs at this point just declare the final 10 minutes of the game to be 5 on 4 and save everyone the trouble?

Posted by: VTDuffman | January 20, 2011 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't think we are. If you look at team hits the Caps are 18th, the Nucks are last in the league. I know it is more then just hits but it is not like we are in the bottom 5 we are mid pack. We are also 12th in team blocks. Considering we are I think the tallest team we should be much higher and maybe that is what makes us seem softer but there are other teams that are softer then us.

Posted by: icehammer97 | January 20, 2011 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Wow Ovie. Like I said, uninterested.

Posted by: Albright4Snapper | January 20, 2011 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Locker was watching that whole PK. That was far from textbook unless he was only referring to a single play. We won the faceoff then had 2 prime chances to clear. The second time was just ridiculous. I don't know who it was but he had all day to something with it and he couldn't get it out.

Then 8 tries to go 1-on-3 and we're right back in our end. You'd think we were down a goal with that kind of trying to do too much.

Posted by: tmac2yao | January 20, 2011 9:12 PM | Report abuse

8 with a smarter play there but it was prob cuz he had to get off the ice.

Boudreau shouldn't use 8 when we have a small lead late. That may send him a message about playing harder and smarter.

Posted by: tmac2yao | January 20, 2011 9:16 PM | Report abuse

MJ90 only has 23 seconds TOI in the third. Anyone notice if he got hurt?

Posted by: icehammer97 | January 20, 2011 9:22 PM | Report abuse

8 is just clueless.

How stupid was that wild pass backwards from behind the Isles net?

I don't care what he did after that. That was a dumb play.

Posted by: tmac2yao | January 20, 2011 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Ovie becomes a lot more interested when the other team pulls the goalie.

We didn't look very good against a subpar team. I guess the good thing is the games look exactly the same against the top teams. If we could start getting one or two more goals per game...

Side note: LOL at Al Saunders being Jason Campbell's Offensive Coordinator in Oakland.

Posted by: Albright4Snapper | January 20, 2011 9:26 PM | Report abuse

BB should not have 8 on the ice when we have small leads late. 8 is borderline useless defensively and just plays too risky, regardless of the game situation.

I just don't think BB has any control over 8. He bends over backwards to let 8 do whatever he wants.

Posted by: tmac2yao | January 20, 2011 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Not the greatest game but we were never behind and that is a step in the right direction. Two points in the standings as well. Now is only Atlanta can score in the next minute we will be #2 again for now.

Posted by: icehammer97 | January 20, 2011 9:29 PM | Report abuse

They just can't make anything easy can they? It looks like it's going to be this way all season... Glad they got the win.

Posted by: kcbrichmond | January 20, 2011 9:30 PM | Report abuse

flash out for the year with blood disorder!

Posted by: natresgroup | January 20, 2011 9:32 PM | Report abuse

If you're going to spend the whole game looking for mistakes that a player makes, you are going to find them.

8 was also the only one who could locate and clear the loose puck at the end, when all the other players who play "harder and smarter" had no idea what was going on.

He also scored 2 points on the team's only two goals. You're doing that thing again where you are only critical and give no credit. If you analyze any player in the came as closely as you do 8 looking for every mistake made, you will find them - for every player.

You've made a determination about 8 and your only goal is to prove yourself right, it's weird and obsessive.

Posted by: VTDuffman | January 20, 2011 9:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm talking about the last 2 years not that one play where he got tripped up with the puck in his skates. I saw that play and didn't have any problem with it.

This is a non-stop issue with 8. He is tremendously soft along the boards and in general.

Posted by: tmac2yao | January 20, 2011 9:34 PM | Report abuse

not the best game, but considering the amount of PPs the Isles got...not bad. I saw a couple non calls on stuff that should have gone our way.

Not sure why there is so much Ovie bashing...he really doesn't make that many more bad plays than other players, it is just noticed more easily b/c it's him...and you all really enjoy keeping track.

Congrats to Backstrom! Nice to see Ovie really bulldozing his way around...if he looses the toe drag he'll ne set!

Holtby looked really solid!

Hope Flash gets better soon...terrible luck!

Posted by: capscoach | January 20, 2011 9:35 PM | Report abuse

He also scored 2 points on the team's only two goals. You're doing that thing again where you are only critical and give no credit. If you analyze any player in the came as closely as you do 8 looking for every mistake made, you will find them - for every player.

You've made a determination about 8 and your only goal is to prove yourself right, it's weird and obsessive.

Posted by: VTDuffman

took the words right out of my mouth! well said!

Posted by: capscoach | January 20, 2011 9:37 PM | Report abuse

8 was also the only one who could locate and clear the loose puck at the end...

Posted by: VTDuffman | January 20, 2011 9:32 PM

lol... you mean right after he flung a wild pass backward from behind the Isles net with under a minute left that led to the Isles transitioning back into our zone?

Heh... I compliment him when he makes good plays but when a guy is making nearly 20% of your cap hit, he is held to a higher standard. If he were making $3 mil and playing on the 2nd line, I wouldn't pick on him so much. That is not the case and his low IQ play and lack of work ethic when it comes to the details of the game, offensively and defensively, are going to weight his team down going forward, esp. as his athleticim further declines, if he doesn't get taught by the coaching staff to be a smarter and more complete player.

Posted by: tmac2yao | January 20, 2011 9:38 PM | Report abuse

@tmac

of course he is held to a higher standard, but you are not reasonable...you don't track other players like u would Ovie to compare adaquately.

He makes a couple questionable plays but gets points on both caps goals and has about 4-5 other chances (either him or someone he set up)...that equals a good game!

On the other hand...that MP penalty was deserving of a rest of the game benching! What was he thinking!!!

Posted by: capscoach | January 20, 2011 9:46 PM | Report abuse

"lol... you mean right after he flung a wild pass backward from behind the Isles net with under a minute left that led to the Isles transitioning back into our zone?"

Yes, that play. The one that you intentionally disregarded by saying "I don't care what he did after that."

"Heh... I compliment him when he makes good plays"

No, you don't. That's the point. Your only critical, you ignore or dismiss his positive plays. His play on both goals was great, and was met with crickets from you or more complaining about his board work.

At this point, your comments about 8 are starting to have as much value as people who only post positive things.

Another positive about 8's play tonight was his positioning. He was positioned very well the whole game, and rarely if ever out of position.

You know how I know? Well, not only did I see it with my own eyes, but you didn't post anything about him being out of position like you usually do when he is. It's literally gotten to the point where the easiest way to tell what 8 is doing well on a given night is simply by looking for what you're *not* complaining about him that game.

Posted by: VTDuffman | January 20, 2011 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Ovechkin is worth every penny of his contract. He is as good in every area of the game as any other top line wing in the league. Hossa, Zetterberg and Nash have nothing on him. He's incredibly smart when it comes to his decision-making on and off the puck. He is always in good position on the ice. He has tremendous work ethic on the boards. 19 and 22 and countless others have nothing on him in that area. They need to pick it up. 8 is so deceptive and unpredictable offensively. He has no need to improve in that area, either. I say the coach should just let him do what he wants when he wants because he has such a high innate hockey IQ. Backstrom and Knuble and others need to learn to play smarter and pay more attention to details like Ovechkin.

Posted by: tmac2yao | January 20, 2011 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Those two plays were obviously good. I don't mention them because they are obvious and there are already enough 8 slurpers to do that. The reason I focus on the negatives are a) because he's held to a higher standard for seemingly obvious reasons and b) fans are slurping so hard that they "try not to see" how awful he is in so many areas. The more that fans and the media slurp him and let BB off the hook for not holding him accountable for playing smarter and paying attention to detail, the less pressure there will be for 8 to change. If BB is trying to get him to do those things, he isn't adequately getting the message across or 8 is just uncoachable or determined not to make the necessary improvements. He has not improved much, if at all, on his weaknesses in his entire career. It's hilarious how many people fell for that "improved passing" garbage the media was pumping out simply because he wasn't scoring as many goals and he's one of the faces of the league. He has the same passing skills he's always had. He could always make 1 or 2 high level passes but they would be separated by way too many wild, high-risk bad passes, regardless of game situation.

Posted by: tmac2yao | January 20, 2011 9:56 PM | Report abuse


brooks laich had a HORRIBLE game.


Erskine is better than hannan


Ovechkin is coming back to life

Posted by: chrisclarksucks | January 20, 2011 9:59 PM | Report abuse

8 still has the same positioning issues he's always had.

He may be a tiny bit more conscious of things because of the new system but he's far from where he needs to be in that area.

You don't look at individual plays or individual games to know if a player has acquired certain habits.

Whether it's his decision-making or positioning on the ice or his work along the boards, watch over time and you'll realize that he is weaker in all those areas than not only most players on this team but throughout the league. Nobody is perfect but he's nearly 100% imperfect in certain areas.

Posted by: tmac2yao | January 20, 2011 10:00 PM | Report abuse

I see what you did there, tmac . . .

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | January 20, 2011 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Good games by Holtby, Ovechkin, and Backstrom. We'll take the 2 points *on the road*!

Posted by: Terptwin | January 20, 2011 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Poor Flash. Very treatable but scary condition. Heparin, Coumadin, Lovenox, or Plavix (blood thinners) are in his future for a few months.
-----------------------------------------

Brian Vickers who drives for the Red Bull nascar team had the same problem and has been out since May of last year. He's also the same age as Flash.

He is scheduled to come back in the Red Bull camry once the season starts next month.

Posted by: joek443 | January 20, 2011 10:03 PM | Report abuse

I'll give 8 some credit for saying the right things to the media recently but until that translates to long-term, concrete changes in habits on the ice, it's just talk.

And whether he makes those improvements or not, the blind nut-slurping and hero worship from grown men and women, kids and much of the media will continue, esp. when he gets back to his normal goal-scoring pace. The serious weaknesses in his game will just get swept under the rug, esp. as long as BB apparently continues to treat him with kid gloves.

Posted by: tmac2yao | January 20, 2011 10:11 PM | Report abuse

I definitely feel badly for Flash and wish him the best. He had issues with clotting about 2(?) years ago and missed some time then.

Posted by: eric22 | January 20, 2011 10:11 PM | Report abuse

And you couldn't be more off about my motives. I'd love to not see these things but they are so incredibly blatant if you pay just a little attention to the details of the game and see the things he's not doing compared to others throughout the league. If I don't see these serious flaws in the future, I won't say a word. I hope that happens. I'm not even close to expecting perfection. It's amazing how so many people overlook these things, intentionally or unintentionally. I wish I could pretend I didn't see them.

Posted by: tmac2yao | January 20, 2011 10:16 PM | Report abuse

brooks laich had a HORRIBLE game.

Posted by: chrisclarksuck

I mostly agree. He was decent on the PK though.

I thought 3 of the 4 lines played very well. The 2nd line had a very poor game though.

It's only been for 4 periods, and 3 of those were against the Islanders, so it is very early, but if Chimera can have this sort of consistent impact on the 1st line that all of a sudden makes the Caps considerably more deep.

Now you are bumping up a 4th liner to 1st status(who is helping the 1st line play like an elite line), then all of a sudden you have Laich, Knuble, Fehr, and Semin for wings for the 2nd and 3rd lines.

It is extremely early so who knows if any of this will continue, but hopefully it does.

@tmac2yao

You are ridiculous. I thought Laich had a bunch of bad passes, lazy dump ins, etc. and he was on the ice for no goals and had no points. Why didn't you write anything about his troubles?

Posted by: sgm3 | January 20, 2011 10:21 PM | Report abuse

20 blocked shots
7 by Green

They looked a lot better in front of Holtby than his previous starts.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | January 20, 2011 10:22 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it would be a stretch to say that 8 is one of the worst wings in the entire league at things not related to scoring. Obviously putting up points is his bread and butter and what has made him an elite player but there is a lot more to the game than putting up points. And the truly elite players across the league buy into the need to execute the details of the game even though they are considered skill players. 8 is still pretty young but time is slipping away. There will be a new coach here one day. Maybe that will spark some much needed change in his overall game. He doesn't necessarily need to be great in all the areas I'm always pointing out but to be as bad as he is should be unacceptable if a coach is holding all his players accountable for what should be expected of them at this level of hockey.

Posted by: tmac2yao | January 20, 2011 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Tmac, seriously dude, gotta lose the pretensions of being able to change the player, the coach, the team, the organization, by always saying the same stuff overandovernadoverandover . . .

From Houston. On a fan message board.

We're not against ya, bud. I agree with you in a lotta regards, as always: I think OV is a genuinely better passer this year than in the past, but other than that, we're in broad agreement on tonight's issues.

But these delusions of grandeur, thinking you can change the team or thinking the reason the team doesn't demand more of its star is because the fans on CI don't express their disgust to the same level you do . . .

Wow. That's . . . not healthy, man, and I'm being charitable with that description.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | January 20, 2011 10:24 PM | Report abuse

@joek443

One of the main problems with Flash's situation is that he is required to take blood thinners.

Understandably, you cannot play a physical sport while taking blood thinners. It is too risky(not just cuts, but bruising in general).

Hopefully he heals up fully, but it could possibly be career threatening. All the best for him.

Posted by: sgm3 | January 20, 2011 10:25 PM | Report abuse

POSTGAME THOUGHTS:
Kudos to the new line tonight. I think Chimera has found a new home on the top line. They looked good and both goals in tight on top of the net.

Holtby: Solid work in net tonight.

When I take a step back I didn't realize how bad we were injured on the RW side. Yikes.

Regardless of how bad this team may have lacked in effort for a complete 60 minutes - they'll find out alot about themselves going through this stretch going forward.

While this team has caused me to pull plenty of hair out - I'm proud of their resiliency and here's to them going forward and making things happen.

Trudging a long through a tough stretch. It's north of the border to take down the Leafs.

It's been a two point night.

ICE BREAKERS GOAL SHAKERS :)

Posted by: Jonathan6 | January 20, 2011 10:28 PM | Report abuse

@ joek443

sgm3 is correct. Most times the overall diagnosis is PE but there may be multiple blood clots in one or both lungs. The patient may start out on a heparin drip in the hosp. depending on the severity or just Lovenox injections (usually in the abdomen). The patient has to continue to take blood thinners to not only treat the current clots but prevent more.

The blood clots can move into the heart causing a heart attack or into the brain causing a stroke if not treated aggressively.

Contact sports are not reccommended for persons with blood coagulation problems.

Youth is on his side. Get well, Flash.

Posted by: nicety251 | January 20, 2011 10:34 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it would be a stretch to say that 8 is one of the worst wings in the entire league at things not related to scoring. Obviously putting up points is his bread and butter and what has made him an elite player but there is a lot more to the game than putting up points. And the truly elite players across the league buy into the need to execute the details of the game even though they are considered skill players. 8 is still pretty young but time is slipping away. There will be a new coach here one day. Maybe that will spark some much needed change in his overall game. He doesn't necessarily need to be great in all the areas I'm always pointing out but to be as bad as he is should be unacceptable if a coach is holding all his players accountable for what should be expected of them at this level of hockey.

Posted by: tmac2yao

Ovie's +/- has been one of the best in the league over the past few years. So his play has resulted in many more goals scored for the Caps than goals against. Isn't that the point of the game, to score more goals than you let up?

Every statistical measure shows Ovie's effectiveness over the past few years.

He has been off so far this year, no doubt. He has not been dominant yet this year. But he was the most dominant player in hockey the past 3 years(statistically and according to his peers since he won three straight Lester B. Pearson/Ted Lindsay awards).

In this past game Ovie was on the ice for the Caps only two goals and had the primary assist on each goal. It was his plays that set up two tap ins to an empty net from the crease.

He was on the ice for NO GOALS AGAINST. He was a +2 when the Caps won 2-1. Could he have played better? Sure, but every player in every game could play better. Ovie was extremely effective and was a main reason the Caps won the game.

Posted by: sgm3 | January 20, 2011 10:35 PM | Report abuse

It was announced that Nabakov signed a 1-year $575,000 deal. He goes on waivers at noon tomorrow. He will count about $250k against the salary cap.

Supposedly a team is expected to claim him, but I still wonder if the Caps should. That is incredibly cheap to pick up a very good veteran goalie.

It will be interesting to see what happens. I'd imagine Philly will make a claim for him, but they will have last selection. The Islanders are supposedly interested too. At that price he is very low risk.

Posted by: sgm3 | January 20, 2011 10:43 PM | Report abuse

BB should rip Ovie a new one for the stupid back pass with the empty net. GMGM should rip BB a new one for putting such a poor defensive player out with an empty net just to pad that players stats.
But, of course, we all know this won't happen.
When I saw the 2 coachs on HBO 24/7, I was thinking the whole time...Why couldn't that be our coach? Oh well, I hope we don't have another playoff train wreck.

Posted by: chriscaps | January 20, 2011 10:47 PM | Report abuse

People have been speaking of Semin and when he may return. My guess is that he comes back after the All-Star break.

With only two games remaining after the road trip, they might as well keep Semin out and let him rest through the All-Star break. That will allow him until February 1st to come back. That would seem to make the most sense.

Clearly, if he is unable physically to come back by February 1st you hold him out longer. But even if he is starting to feel a little better now, I would hold him out until after the All-Star break.

Posted by: sgm3 | January 20, 2011 11:13 PM | Report abuse

@vermont
@ tmac

Well we did not burn down Al Arbour's old building, but it feels good to beat the Isles anyway. Especially when you see all those jersey numbers in the rafters of guys who used to burn down our building.

Backy crashing the slot. Good start to a rebound that is a must to even think about "hoisting"

@tmac

I understand your frustration with 8, but the guy has always played with reckless abandon. The guy always hustles, which I can't say for 75% of this roster.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | January 21, 2011 12:01 AM | Report abuse

@hunter

what's up, i'm with you on the win.....new thread

Posted by: vermontcaps | January 21, 2011 12:18 AM | Report abuse

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