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NHL draft 2010: Overview of the Caps' picks

One day after selecting a Russian in the first round, the Capitals surprised no one today when they drafted Stanislav Galiev, an Alexander Semin fan from -- you guessed it -- Moscow in the third round.

Click here to read the full story, and then check out this graphic breaking down each of the Capitals' five picks.

By Lindsay Applebaum  |  June 26, 2010; 7:03 PM ET
 
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In case anyone missed it, Tarik joined us on Japers' Rink Radio this morning to talk about the Caps 1st round pick and the Caps strategy this summer to fill some wholes in the roster. The show is available at www.blogtalkradio.com/japersrinkradio and on itunes.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | June 26, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

@ pkme from last thread.

I think part of the Caps thinking is every year there seem to always be a Gil, Hamhuis, Scuderi, Paul Martin, Volchenkov, or Michalek out in Free agency as can be shown by looking as some of the names in the last two years but there is less top talent guys available as a free agent, Kovalchuk is to only top one this year which is why teams are trying to trade for Spezza or Frolov. You can get a shut down D-man in the Free agency but it is very hard to get any top talent forwards or d-men in the free agency.

Posted by: icehammer97 | June 26, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Here's another factor: you don't draft for what you need right then, you draft for the future. Very few draftees are NHL-ready, and almost all of them go top 5. So the Caps did the smart thing - they drafted players that can be part of a future core, and are going to get whatever else they need through trade/free agency.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 26, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Icehammer, Frolov is a UFA.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 26, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

The thing is we already have plenty of third/fourth line pivots (Steckel, Gordon, Beagle, Wilson, Aucoin) what we need is a second liner.

Posted by: Liebercreep | June 26, 2010 6:15 PM |

If you really think any of those guys you mentioned is comparable to Sobotka, you are crazy.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 26, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

My bad Richmond you are right but still that is two then it falls off big time and those two are going to be overpaid. Someone will get one of Michalek or someone similar for a decent price. Gil went real cheap last year and he had just won a cup.

Posted by: icehammer97 | June 26, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

they COULD go after a few of those players whom just about every expert or fan feels that they need to have success in the playoffs. but they won't because they apparently feel that they have enough grit, defense and whatever else needed to win the Cup.

and in the end their opinions are the only ones that MATTER. if they feel that they can just out-dazzle their way in the playoffs, who are we to argue... they're professionals, they know more than us and the rest of the hockey world judging by the way GMGM and BB act.

they sure act like they are smarter than anyone else and they're out to prove that their way works even though they've done NOTHING in the playoffs for the last 12 years.

Posted by: joek443 | June 26, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

What I think the Caps can bank on - although, alas, less so this year - is that some free agents might see them as a potential ticket to a real run at the Cup. Let's hope.

It's interesting that we picked not one, but two, potential 2nd line center ice men. We'll need a pivot to get us through the coming year (Lombardi? Let's hope!) But then Mojo maybe online by then, the the following year one of those two. Maybe Semin decides to stay...

Posted by: RedLitYogi | June 26, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Wow joke, how'd you get all this insider info? Hook me up with those connections!

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 26, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

joke, here's the simple fact: GMGM and BB DO know what they're doing. Each of the last 2 years, they've formed a team that had the necessary pieces to make it through the playoffs and win the Cup. What you are missing is this: THE PLAYERS PLAY, NOT THE COACH AND GM. If the players who have the ability don't live up to their potential, there's not a whole lot the GM and coach can do about it. They can pull players - but you have to have someone to put in their place, which isn't always doable. You can switch lines - which BB did. Other than that, it's up to the players.

GMGM and BB have taken a team who, less than 3 seasons ago, was dead last, and they turned it into a team who got the Presidents' Trophy. Anyone who looks at the situation without an anti-BB/GMGM bias can clearly see that they know what they are doing and would trust them.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 26, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting that we picked not one, but two, potential 2nd line center ice men. We'll need a pivot to get us through the coming year (Lombardi? Let's hope!) But then Mojo maybe online by then, the the following year one of those two. Maybe Semin decides to stay...

Posted by: RedLitYogi | June 26, 2010 11:24 PM |

The Caps could end up following the model Pittsburgh has done - having 3 centers with 1st/2nd line ability. Kuznetsov won't be here until the 2012-13 season, but MJ or Galiev could be playing here before then. Also, having a winger who is proficient at center can never hurt - either in case of injury, or if the center gets kicked off the faceoff.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 27, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Thanks timmy38.
I was just waiting for some1 to tell joke & his gals that they ARE NOT professional Hockey personnel.
There is a reason they have their little jobs in the the real world.

The fantasy GM stuff here is all the input they ever get...wow...virtual powertrippin.
Pathethic.
Grit. Grit is for losers. 1 trick ponies.
I don't ever recall the Oilers or Pinz needing that much grit.

Posted by: Rocc00 | June 27, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Honestly, I think some grit is necessary - but the Caps have it already. Bradley, Chimera, Steckel, Gordon, Laing, Laich, Knuble, Erskine, ShaMo (for now)... all of them have grit. What's needed is a 2nd line center and, if possible, a #1 dman. 2nd line center being the more important.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 27, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Im hoping for an affordable second line center, and I wouldnt mind picking up Madden for a year as a checking/pk guy on the 3rd either.

I would love if the Caps got Paul Martin.

Posted by: BACKS | June 27, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Madden would be a definite upgrade, and Martin would be one of a few dmen I would target. From what I've heard, he expects to test the free agent market. There are a few #2 centers out there, like Lombardi or Koivu, but only 4 or 5 at most.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 27, 2010 12:26 AM | Report abuse

On Pittburgh's chances of signing up Hamhuis:

At the moment, they have about $12.5 Million available. They have 11 forwards, and 3 defensemen and 3 goalied under contract. They obviously need 1 more forward and 3 more defensemen for a complete game lineup and I assume they'll need at least one extra forward and one extra defenseman.

At forward, Geurin, Fedetenko, and Ponikorovsky were with them at the end of last year but are now free agents. I assume they won't keep all 3 and Geurin is getting up there in years to boot. I will assume Pitt would sign two out of 3 of them for about 4 million. Which leaves about 8 million for the defense.

For defense, we'll assume Gonchar is a goner. But they still need 3 more and a spare. I assume, among their incumbents, that Leopold will want a raise to 2 million. Eaton will probably require at least his current salary; i.e. 2 million. Mc Kee is relatively cheap and can be had for a million or less. So the question is, how much of a raise is Hamhuis wanting? The Pens could squeeze him in at $3 Million but no more. And that's assuming 13 forwards, 7 defensemen, and 2 goaltenders are on the roster.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 27, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Hamhuis will take less than $4M - especially not in a case like this where he has all the leverage. That might explain why Philly was willing to trade him to the Pens. Maybe the Pens have some prospects they can move up - I don't know who's in their system though.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 27, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

We all know our immediate needs are for strong defense but the draft is not the way to address that. These picks will not be in DC for several years so our defensive needs have to be addressed via trades or FA aquistions. Take this for what is is folks, the entry level draft. We have the entire summer to trade or aquire strong D so I'm sure GMGM has his crew scouring the UFA and FA market and sizing our trade bait. I might be giving too much credit to GMGM on this but only on opening night next Oct, can we really asses our offseason accumen.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan1 | June 27, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

BernieWolfeFan1 - dead on. Defensemen (more so than most others) usually take a couple years to get to NHL-readiness, so a #1 dman is going to need to be acquired via trade/FA. I would put a #2 center as our most immediate need though - simply due to the fact that we currently do not have one.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 27, 2010 12:55 AM | Report abuse

I think more then a #1 D-man what what we really is another d-man that BB is willing to play in every situation. Having someone who BB is williing to play more so Mike Green isn't out so much that he has no energy late in the season and late in games so he doesn't get beat to pucks like he did in game 7. In the playoffs he was averaging almost 5 more minutes a game more then any other D-man.

In the regular season he was playing 4 more minutes a game more then any of our other d-men until they got Corvo and he started lowing Green's minutes. While many take about how Green didn't make the Canadian team he was one of the players very strongly considered for the team and that shows how good he is. He also has been runner up for the Norris the last two years. What he needs is less minutes and I don't think it matters what kind of D-man we get if he takes minutes from Green then that is a good thing. If is a shutdown guy then great but if he works well with Poti, who he will probably be paired with, then I think it doesn't matter as much is he is a defensive D-man or more of a puck mover and have a solid pairing it would give us three solid pairs with Green-Shultz and Alzner-Carlson.

Posted by: icehammer97 | June 27, 2010 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Timmy, thanks. On that note, have you guys been sizing up our trade bait and see who could, would, should, be traded and for whom? I've been out of the loop since game 7 so I'm open to suggestions.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan1 | June 27, 2010 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Not a whole lot of trade bait. Picks or prospects, Semin, Flash (if he is re-signed), some of the 3rd/4th line players, maybe some of the dmen. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if all the Caps do is a couple free agent signings. There are some good dmen who will be UFA's on July 1 (Martin, Michalek, Volchenkov, and maybe Hamhuis come to mind), as well as a few #2 centers. When it comes to #2 centers, Lombardi seems to be the best choice among the UFA's, although a vet like Koivu could definitely do the job for a season or two. Hasn't been a whole lot of talk about centers to trade for - mainly been FA's getting discussed. I wish I could find the post, but sgm3 posted a great link that listed many of the top UFA's a couple weeks ago.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 27, 2010 1:18 AM | Report abuse

I forgot to mention, there had been a lot of cap calculating going on - but it was under the assumption the cap would be $58.8M, not $59.4M. Basically, the Caps could field this lineup whch would involve only a few moves:

Ovie-Backs-Knuble
Semin-#2C-Fehr/Laich
Chimera-Belanger-Fehr/Laich
Bradley-Steckel-Gordon/Hershey player
Scratch: Laing/Hershey player

Green-Schultz
Alzner-Carlson
Poti-New dman
Scratch: Erskine/Sloan

Varly, Neuvirth

It's just one possibility. I think it had Fehr and Schultz each making slightly over $2M and Gordon making about $1M - tominsocal1 (formerly tominfl1) did the math. It would leave (I think) $7-8M for the dman and center. My numbers might be a bit off though - especially since the cap went up more than most people thought.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 27, 2010 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Again, I think we may have to see trades come in to fill the voids we have, as opposed to FA signings.

Calgary is dumping, along with Carolina and Florida. Chicago still has to dump a bit of space.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 27, 2010 1:29 AM | Report abuse

In case you hadn't heard Caps news in terms of free agents - BMo, Corvo, Walker, and Theo have all been told they won't be re-signed; ShaMo, Jurcina, and Flash all seem unlikely to be re-signed. Talks are going with Fehr, Schultz, and Belanger, and GMGM said the Caps will give an offer sheet to every RFA. I'm pretty sure that's all the news.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 27, 2010 1:36 AM | Report abuse

Chicago's GM said tonight that he's gotten the salaries low enough that he doesn't need to dump more. I haven't checked the numbers, but here's the link:

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Grinder/entry/view/69871/bowman_blackhawks_bloodletting_is_over

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 27, 2010 1:39 AM | Report abuse

He's lying because that's dependent on finding a replacement for Huet, and they still have to make qualifying offers to some RFA's.

But Flash is an RFA, so he will either re-sign or his rights will be traded. I beleive I read somewhere that Juice isn't coming back for sure too.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 27, 2010 1:45 AM | Report abuse

We might need to get some players through trading, but the main gaps can be filled through free agency. The lineup I listed could be done with no trades, but it does depend on who's available. Just have to wait and see.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 27, 2010 1:47 AM | Report abuse

He's lying because that's dependent on finding a replacement for Huet, and they still have to make qualifying offers to some RFA's.

But Flash is an RFA, so he will either re-sign or his rights will be traded. I beleive I read somewhere that Juice isn't coming back for sure too.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 27, 2010 1:45 AM

When I went to a link in that article that went to a Chicago website, they were saying the same sort of stuff as you. They had some number-crunchers along the line of tom, so I'd say what you said is accurate.

I did say Jurcina is not likely to be re-signed - I was basing that on his agent saying that he hadn't heard much from the Caps. Hopefully Flash/his rights can be traded for something useful. He deserves a chance on a team that needs his skills, I hope he gets it.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 27, 2010 1:52 AM | Report abuse

Sigh...yeah wait and see...

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan1 | June 27, 2010 1:55 AM | Report abuse

There's been a few pending UFA's signed/traded in the last few days, but not too many. Still, on Thursday, free agency starts.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 27, 2010 2:01 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, nothing to do now but postulate and wait until July 1st, when the frenzy begins. We'll probably see some movement before then.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 27, 2010 2:22 AM | Report abuse

Flash got a qualifying offer and may be looking for arbitration. I think the Caps want to keep him, or at least his rights for picks. Flash is getting better every year, but, yes he is flashy, as in inconsistent. He has not shown his skills in the playoffs; then again, the Caps were weak at 2nd line center -- which has -something, not everything - to do with Semin and Flash looking weak in the playoffs. I think the Caps will keep trying with their investment in Flash unless they can trade him for a legit 2nd line center or gritty, shut-down blueliner.

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS1 | June 27, 2010 7:39 AM | Report abuse

I was critical of McPhee not being aggressive in going after negotiating rights. It appears it was the right thing to do. As it looks now, most of these guys will make it to UFA.

My opinion, we cannot have both Flash and Semin on this team, one needs to go. Also, if we are in fact gonna get a 2nd line center, then there is no room for Belanger as either MP or MJ should get line 3. That would be a cheaper option anyway.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 27, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

timmy: I am finally into new house, stuff everywhere, don't have the cap spreadsheet, but with 13 forwards, 7 D and 2 goalies, incl Gordo $900K, Flash 2.75 and Fehr and Schultz 2.25 each, the Caps I think were at 55.5M. So, the space available is 3.9.

I live in a canyon and sun is just hitting top of hill right behind the house. Pretty cool.

Anyway, you can swap Flash and Erskine out and you have $7.9M for your #2 center and your #1 D man. But, if you bring back Belanger instead of Gordo for #3 center (highly recommended) you will lose some of that space. So, think of it (with Gordo out) as $8.8M available for #2 and 3 center and your #1 D man. I think if we get solid players, guys like with Knuble, who are at least above avg in most facets of the game, that is all the roster really needs with maybe a tweak on March 1st.

I do agree that these players need "grit." I'm also still in favor of trading Semin if you can get a top echelon center or defenseman. You could maybe keep Flash then, but Flash hasn't shown any reason to believe he would be successful in the playoffs. Fehr has, and Semin has at times (but mostly not).

Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 27, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

The Caps have plenty of players with grit(Steckel,Bradley,Gordon,etc.).However,these players have zero talent.That will be the Caps downfall-no depth when the overhyped #8 disappears in the playoffs.
I love the Steckels of the world but the dude is a career AHLer at best.

Posted by: markfromparkville | June 27, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Gordon is gritty?!?

He may work his tail off, but he's more like polishing cloth than sandpaper. He's anti-gritty.

Posted by: Steve_R | June 27, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

mark, all of those guys have quite a bit of talent in their specific roles. Steckel is one of the best faceoff men around, and has good defensive skills. He is a solid 4th liner, or maybe 3rd liner in the right system. Gordon is also very good at faceoffs and defense, and has more of an offensive upside than Steckel. In my opinion, he is more skilled overall than Steckel and more gritty. Bradley is an ideal 4th liner for any team - he bangs around opposing players, knocks the puck around, just generally creates havoc for the other team. And he's not too bad of a scorer for a 4th liner - his usual numbers are around 7 goals and 11-12 assists per season.

And when it comes to the playoffs, no team has been able to make Ovie "disappear". The problem the Caps have is getting scoring from the 2nd and 3rd lines - this last playoffs, the 2nd in particular, mainly due to lack of a center and Laich not playing in front of the net.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 27, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Timmy, the lack of a solid 2nd center really stifled the 2nd line. If Flash and Semin had a play-making center, instead of shuffling Belanger, Morrison, and ????, then who knows, they may play better in the playoffs. Both of those guys need a little space to score/create and ML gave them none -- without a good center to worry about. Could have Flash and Semin tried a bit harder to create their own space, yeah, esp. Flash. I think it is easier to find a good center than trade away one, much less both of these guys. Maybe Fehr/Laich can step up and take Flash's spot opposite Semin, making Flash good trade bait.

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS1 | June 27, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

MTL*

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS1 | June 27, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Flash got a qualifying offer and may be looking for arbitration. I think the Caps want to keep him, or at least his rights for picks. Flash is getting better every year, but, yes he is flashy, as in inconsistent. He has not shown his skills in the playoffs; then again, the Caps were weak at 2nd line center -- which has -something, not everything - to do with Semin and Flash looking weak in the playoffs. I think the Caps will keep trying with their investment in Flash unless they can trade him for a legit 2nd line center or gritty, shut-down blueliner.

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS1 | June 27, 2010 7:39 AM

Flash doesn't have a place on this team anymore. The Caps have 4 2nd line wingers, and Flash is the worst of them. The best thing the Caps could do is either trade him (which would bring back a 3rd liner at best, not a 2nd line center or a shutdown dman) or let a team sign him as a RFA and get the picks back. You could get more for him in a package deal, which might be the best move - although getting a legit 3rd liner would be worth trading him for.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 27, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

JIMALLCAPS1, that was pretty much what a few of us were thinking - let Flash go or trade him, move Fehr to the 2nd line, get a good #2 center, and that line is set. I would rather see Fehr on the 2nd than Laich, because I feel that he is the better player for right in front of the net - which would give Semin better scoring chances. While he's no Buff, he makes it tough on the goalie - Knuble has been mentoring him in that.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 27, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Gotta agree with you Timmy, Fehr needs to get more minutes. BB loves Flash, I wouldn't mind GMGM trading him just to get some players more deserving of ice time their minutes.

Posted by: Steve_R | June 27, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Why are we drafting another goalie?

Posted by: rjma1 | June 27, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Having another goalie coming up through the system can't hurt - either to be used in the future or traded. Keep in mind, it will likely be 3-4 years until he is NHL-ready.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 27, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

It is always good to draft top goalies and Grubauer probably won't be turning pro for 2 more years. By that time the Caps may have traded one of the 3 they now have (Varly, Neuvy, or Holtby).

Posted by: MReilly9 | June 27, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

1) these draft picks seem hodgepodge, at best
2) enough with the Russians
3) look at the summary of the picks and note the common theme: small and lack of physicality
4) is anyone else tiring of homer timmy38?
5) Caps have glaring holes to fill and, to date, they have done nothing to fill holes

Posted by: doughless | June 27, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

1) Two good centers, 1 possible 3rd line center, 1 goalie, 1 dman - good range of picks, will fill possible needs.
2) Ever heard of Ovechkin, Semin, and Varlamov? We've done well with Russians so far.
3) 4 of the 5 are 6'0 or taller, so not exactly small. Skill players are harder to acquire than physical players, so it makes sense to draft them and trade for physical players.
4) Anyone else getting tired of doughless' useless, negative posts?
5) Caps have 2 holes to fill, which both can be filled via trade or free agency - which hasn't started yet, just in case you hadn't noticed.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 27, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

doughless, before you go calling people homers, you might want to find out what the term means. Because if you knew what it really meant, you would know I'm not one. Or you can stay in your usual state of ignorance - really doesn't matter to me.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 27, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

4) Anyone else getting tired of doughless' useless, negative posts?

_________________________________

He went from negative poster who provides no insight to borderline troll in a matter of weeks.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 27, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

From what I've seen, he's been borderline troll for a year now.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 27, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

doughless is truly a candidate for the Doofus Patrol at this point.

I need someone to patrol behind my house for rattlesnakes, btw.

Maybe Cheef (Colonel, CiC, Doofus Brigade) can send over a squad.

Up the hill, men, and don't forget your boots!

Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 27, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I think that it's natural for some of these posters to be negative. It's not hard to see that everything they look at is looked at in a negative light. I feel for their families. Trust me, WHEN we win the Cup they still won't be happy. The funny thing is I already know what they're gonna say. We got lucky. This Euro formula won't work again. We'll never win another Cup with GMGM, BB or Ted. Blah Blah Blah. I just hope they don't show up for the parade down Constitution Ave and bring it down for the rest of us.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | June 27, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Hey Tom so where in Cali are you? Did you come through Colorado? I wish you woulda let me know. It woulda been nice to meet you if you drove through here. There's actually a bunch of Caps fans out here. We're always well represented when the Caps are in town. The first thing I look for when the new schedule is released is to see when the Caps will be here. Have I told you yet I hate this new post lockout format? They won't be here this year so it's looks like the pattern is every other year which sucks.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | June 27, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

4) is anyone else tiring of homer timmy38?
Posted by: doughless | June 27, 2010 11:57 AM

no - at least timmyv38 is adding content to the discussion


4) Anyone else getting tired of doughless' useless, negative posts?
Posted by: timmyv38 | June 27, 2010 12:08 PM

yes

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | June 27, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Two or maybe three years this draft will look like a total steal for the Caps - getting Galiev in the 3rd round is one thing, he has legit 1st-round talent, but getting the kid we got at #26 was total bank robbery, if that kid were born in Ontario TSN would be admitting he has top-5 talent.

I've been critical of GMGM in the past, but this was truly a remarkable draft. And we got Carlson a couple years back at what, #27? That's incredible.

Grit you can always find, through trade, free agency or otherwise. True talent is rare - and expensive.

Posted by: govtimbo | June 27, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I know I'm in the minority here but I've always liked Flash - whenever he plays with confidence he can be a difference maker. but, if the Caps do move him as seems likely, I hope he winds up in a good place. I'd love to see him alongside Krecji for the B's; scary to think what Krecji would do with a legit finisher [remember, Flash had very similar stats to Knuble this year, # of games [though Knuble averaged more minutes - and something tells me it'd be easier to play with Backs and OV than Semin, just a tad].

The only problem is I can't think of anybody on the B's who we'd want, other than Krecji or Bergeron, who they're not parting with. Chara looked pretty bad in the playoffs, and has a huge contract. Always a step behind the play. And Savard, I don't know - when Krecji got hurt they put Savard in his spot, and he did jacksquat there. Also a huge contract, IIRC.

Posted by: govtimbo | June 27, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Flash is good, but the Caps just don't have a need for him. They have a very good shooter on each of the top 2 lines, and they need a player to go in front of the net for each - Knuble, Fehr and Laich can all do that. That is Flash's weakest area - due to his lack of physicality and his habit of missing open net, point blank shots. I think he could be a legit 1st/2nd line winger for many teams, which gives him some value.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 27, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Just read this about why Philly traded the rights of Hamhuis to Pittsburgh

"In speaking to the Flyers, he wanted assurance that the 4+ million would also land him on the power play and in the top two pairings. I talked to a former NHL player, a rugged defenseman in his day. A one-time captain about this and he was dumbfounded..

"What player says that? You don't negotiate playing time or where you fit! You earn your spot. Your a making 4 ****ing million dollars. Now go show you are worth it. I can't believe an NHL player would bring his role into negotiations. What does Paul Holmgren do? Tell Peter Laviolette you HAVE to play this guy top 4 and PP? His teammates! I mean what the bleep would they say? How would they treat a player in the room? When he makes a mistake, even before, any other hockey player would be all over him..."

Wonder why the Flyers handed their fiercest rival a power play defenseman? They don't think he will sign with the Pens on a bet! In fact, the Flyers actually warned the Penguins about this demand for a guaranteed role..and the Penguins actually plan to bring their coach into the talks we are hearing. SERIOUSLY?? The Penguins know you can't do this as well.

All this points to this playing time issue being used as a mask for something else. And now I can't help but think the Penguins trading for Hamhuis is nothing more than the Penguins trying to get Gonchar to take one less year....because that is what I hear is all that separates the Penguins from what might be their most important player."

Recap for those who won't read a long paragraph. Hamhuis is a headcase who wants his role by contract instead of earning it and the Pens are using the threat of him to get Gonchar to accept one less year in the contract.

Assuming that is all true it makes me hope that the Caps stay away from him.

Finally @ markfromparkville Ovechkin has 40 points in 28 playoff games or 1.43 points per game. In the regular season he has 1.34 points per game which means he actually somehow gets better in the playoffs so don't talk about him choking or whatever in the playoffs it was the support players that didn't show up. The top line had 12 goals while the rest of the team had 10.

Posted by: icehammer97 | June 27, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

icehammer, I can somewhat understand Hamhuis saying that to Philly. With Pronger, Timmonen, Carle and maybe Coburn, Hamhuis might have been pushed to a 3rd pairing. On pretty much any other team, he'd immediately be a top pair dman - so it wouldn't be an issue. It's stupid that he tried that, but I can see why.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 27, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Timmy I understand where you and him are coming from but if he is that worried about how much he plays simplly say I want to play for a team I will have a bigger role on. No harm there it is having it in your contract that you have to play at certain times that is just crazy. You earn your time on the ice.

Posted by: icehammer97 | June 27, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

That's more or less what he's done. And I don't see anything in what you posted about it being in his contract - it said he wanted "assurance". But as I said before, it was a stupid move on his part. With a team like Pittsburgh or Washington, playing time wouldn't even be an issue - he'd be the #1 dman.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 27, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

@timmy - I'm far from convinced Fehr won't continually struggle against good, quick d-men - which by definition he would as a top-6 going against good teams. Guys like Seidenberg, Markov, Timmonen, Hjalmarrsson, - not even #1 shutdown guys, I'm talking about guys on the 2nd pair - they eat him up. Not quick is one thing, slow is entirely another, especially in today's game. People compare him to Knuble - and he does have better hands, to be sure - but Fehr is even slower, and Knuble still disappears sometimes, despite playing with two of the top forwards in the game on his line. And Knuble is much more consistently physical than Fehr, and does much better in his own end. I realize Fehr may start out on the 2nd and even play there for a while due to BB's loyalty [and desire to protect GMGM] but I just don't ever see him being a top-6 forward on an elite team. The WHL is not the NHL, unfortunate as that may be.

Also: no way Hamhuis plays more minutes than Gonchar, not on a good team with a smart coach, anyway. And from all I've read and seen Bylsma is certainly that.

Posted by: govtimbo | June 27, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

@icehammer97

Interesting read on why the Flyers traded away the rights to Hamhuis.

To me, I wondered why the Flyers had traded for his rights in the first place when defense is not exactly their most pressing need.

But when all is said and done about the maneuverings, they ended up getting a 3rd round pick for a 5th rounder.

Now, the question is, will the Pens sign him up? I had calculated that it could be a bit dicey for them to meet his price.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 27, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Fehr is faster and more skilled than Knuble. Knuble is better at playing in front of the net, but Fehr is learning to do that quite well. I think Fehr might have some trouble on the 2nd line at first, but he has the ability to make it there.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 27, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

@icehammer - fascinating: the Pens trading for Hamhuis, not so much to sign him, but to bend Gonchar. It would be a good move and worth it.

@govtimbo - agreed, agreed: talent is the top priority in the draft. You can pick up the grit.

Not sure about Flash - the best reason to keep him would be to give him a shot at #2C. He was good there until he couldn't win the draws. I'm not sure what he needs to do to improve in the playoffs. Is it stamina? I thought he was awful 3 yrs ago but he's gotten better and stronger each year. I'd still try to steal a pivot but if we can't he might be servicable at 2C until...

Posted by: RedLitYogi | June 27, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I would have one huge problem with Flash at #2C - he is the most inconsistent player I have ever seen. It would be better to Perrault or Belanger there - at least you know what you'll get.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 27, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Where are all the posters who said McPhee was asleep at the switch for not getting Hamhuis before Philly?

Oh, that's right, they are on maneuvers with the Brigade this weekend.

Pokerface: I flew. Family drove, but went through AZ. My car, as fate would have it, died in Tombstone, AZ.

That town might be "Too Tough to Die," but my old car wasn't.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 27, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

Appropriately named place, Tombstone, AZ, for your car to die. Good luck with getting it fixed (or a new one).

Speaking of Tombstone, isn't that where the Earp brothers had their run-in with the Clanton gang? (And where Captain Kirk had ancestors from there?)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 27, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

@timmyv38

Fehr's generally been very productive on the 2nd line, when he's there. But 3rd's his spot by default. He's wasted on the 4th, in my opinion.

Now wouldn't you know it, it's my boys who are battling it out for the right wing slots (i.e. my favorite guys outside of Ovi.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 27, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I think 2nd should be Fehr's spot - opposite Semin. He has been good on the 3rd, but I think he deserves more minutes.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 27, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Here is the ESPN insider's take on our draft.

Washington Capitals: A-minus
The high mark rides on landing F Evgeni Kuznetsov. The Capitals might have landed one of the five best players in the draft class at No. 26. GM George McPhee says Kuznetsov has a two-year deal but a reasonable buyout and can land in North America in the fall of 2011. Scouts say Kuznetsov was the best player in the invitational U-18 tournament in Belarus. He was a factor as an under-ager on the Russian team at world juniors. The Capitals also went with a Russian player with their next pick -- at No. 86 they landed Stanislav Galiev, who played with St. John in the Q this year. Central Scouting had Galiev projected as a first-rounder, but it's guilt by association: A lot of GMs are afraid that young Russians will either not come to North America or pull the chute and go back to the KHL at the first sign of trouble. "We haven't lost one yet," McPhee said.

From the sounds of it we got two great forwards late in the first and in the third. Lets just hope that GMGM is right and the oppertunity to play with our Red Army team is good enough to keep these guys from going to the KHL.

@ govtimbo you say Fehr struggles against fast good d-men yet he was our 3rd best scorer in the playoffs this year against the Habs who have mostly that kind of d except Gil. I think more of his issue is going against big d-men who can out muscle him.

Posted by: icehammer97 | June 28, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

I forgot who put the stats, byt Fehr was like 8th in the league or something in goals scored per minutes played.

If I've posted it once, I've posted it 1000 times:

Eric Fehr will score 300 goals over the next ten years. Flash might score about the same in the reg season, but Fehr will outpoint him in the Playoffs. Given the choice, and based on salary vs performance, I'll take Fehr.

At least, this is what the tarot cards say.

S, nostrathomas

Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 28, 2010 1:42 AM | Report abuse

BTW, if Caps got an A- with only five picks and only ONE in like the first 85...

...as I posted earlier, where are the naysayers? On maneuvers or taking early 4th of July vacations?

Fehr and Schultz need to be signed by Wed 11:59 pm and the shoe needs to drop on Flash. Please GMGM send him to Minn w/Erskine for Clutterbuck and a #2 pick and use the free cash for Volchenkov.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 28, 2010 1:49 AM | Report abuse

5) Caps have glaring holes to fill and, to date, they have done nothing to fill holes

Posted by: doughless | June 27, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

hmm.., how many true 2C or top pair defensive defensemen have been traded so far? and dont say hamhuis, cause he's a FA for all intents and purposes. the answer is non because all of the action starts on thursday with free agency. there's been some salary shedding (chi) and disposal of useless assets (horton) for picks but nothing of significance. the caps didnt address their need at top line RW last summer until after FA started. i would expect them to do the same this year once any deal with RFA's have been made (or not) and teams start doing stupid things in FA.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | June 28, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

don't waste yer breath Doughless. Some folks will never "get" it.

I had to snicker when I saw the draft picks. Boy o boy does McPhee excel in proving us right every time.

"Outlook: A puck-moving defenseman with a big shot, he can play in all situations. THE KNOCK ON HIM ACCORDING TO SCOUTS, IS HE DOES NOT ASSERT HIMSELF PHYSICALLY "

it it wasn't so sad it would be positively hilarious.

Other teams get bigger and stronger, the Caps get smaller and weaker.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 28, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Ahh, there is that breath of stale, negative air.

Posted by: _Mark | June 28, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

glad we stocked up on our finesse and skill. We didn't quite have enough of those types in our system.

And since you know, the MOST SKILLED teams are the ones who win the Cup, its a matter of time before we rip off like 3 or 4 in a row. Dynasty is right around the corner, just a lil more patience folks. No way will we be here at the end of next season discussing the same things. It'll be different, you'll see. We've taken all the right lessons from recent playoff defeats.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 28, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Come on now buddy, you have to admit that we have not had prospects with the upside that those Russians have in a while.

I have thought for a while that that level of skill was something missing from our farm system for a while.

The evals on those guys pretty darn good, and I don't think we have seen better since Backstrom (for that type of player).

Those were good pieces to acquire, especially where we acquired them (draft position), for our future.

The "Russian Factor" is looking like a "Caps Advantage".

The offseason, for us, has not yet begun. How it will play out, no one knows.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | June 28, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

All the people who are so negative about these draft picks need to keep in mind that these are 18-19 year old kids. They're not done growing yet, and certainly not done developing their skills and physicality. Not everyone is going to be a John Carlson who was able to step to the Caps at such an early age. A few years down the road, these might look like very shrewd picks.

Posted by: tess2201 | June 28, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

@tominsocal:
congrats on being in the new house

@underpants:
that's a big of you to own up to being outspoken against GMGM not goin after RFA rights. Awesome dude, awesome to hear people act like you just did.

I do agree that having Flash at more than 2 mil locks up too much money that we need for a FA Center and FA D...

I really thought Flash would be gone at the Draft, boy was I wrong. I was alo wrong about Bourque (if reports are correct). I thought he'd make the team after training camp.

@govtimbo:
you nailed it on the head, the top two picks are steals.


Regarding the draft, you take the BPA, because outside of the top 5 of the 1st round, other players won't be contributing for several years...
Well done with maximizing value from the slipping Russian players, I would have liked to seen another D hit or miss prospect get drafted but oh well.
as far as a roster, I could see the following... yes, I know it has 24 players but hey, not sure whom you let go because lord knows we need a Lombardi type and a Mitchell type!

2010-11 NHL Salary Cap Calculator
2010-11 WASHINGTON CAPITALS
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Alexander Ovechkin ($9.538m) / Nicklas Backstrom ($6.700m) / Mike Knuble ($2.800m)
Brooks Laich ($2.067m) / Matthew Lombardi ($3.250m) / Alexander Semin ($6.000m)
Tomas Fleischmann ($2.000m) / Mathieu Perreault ($0.717m) / Eric Fehr ($2.000m)
Jason Chimera ($1.875m) / Boyd Gordon ($0.900m) / Matt Bradley ($1.000m)
Dave Steckel ($1.100m) / Andrew Gordon ($0.700m)

DEFENSEMEN
Mike Green ($5.250m) / Jeff Schultz ($2.300m)
Willie Mitchell ($3.250m) / Tom Poti ($3.500m)
Karl Alzner ($1.675m) / John Carlson ($0.817m)
John Erskine ($1.250m) / Tyler Sloan ($0.700m)

GOALTENDERS
Simeon Varlamov ($0.822m) / Michal Neuvirth ($0.822m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 24; CAP:$59.4m; PAYROLL: $61.032m; CAP ROOM: $-0.782m BONUSES: $0.850m

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 28, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Obviously Montreal felt they needed to move a certain direction after the playoffs ended. They grabbed 3 young players, all of whom have size. And two of them are heavy on the physical scale - Tinordi and Ian Schultz.

There's still "offseason" left for the Caps to make their moves. But just the general trend and direction of this team indicates another early playoff exit. A philosophical shift seems impossible without a regime change.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 28, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Strengths: Offensive instincts, goal-scoring ability

Needs to Improve: Size, discipline with penalties, defensive play
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hmm..this sounds familiar

well, we'll just outscore the entire league anyway so defense schmefense!

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 28, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

cstanton, the draft shows nothing of what the Caps are thinking - none of those players will be ready for a few years. So unless you have some insider info, you have nothing to talk about. Last offseason, the Caps made a big step in the right direction with the addition of Knuble (as well as one that didn't work out with BMo). This offseason, they're going to need to address the #2C, and GMGM will handle that as well as he handled getting a 1st line winger last year.

As for the Caps getting "smaller and weaker", did you already forget Chimera and Knuble - 2 big (or fairly big, in Knuble's case) physical guys? It's not like the Caps draft picks this year are small - 4 of the 5 are 6'0 or 6'1. And it's not also the case that small, fats players can't be successful - look at Montreal.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 28, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

MTL also just traded Jaroslav Halak, so I don't believe we need to start thinking of their new GM as the next Ken Holland.

We got a top-5 talent and a legit 1st-rounder with the #26 and 3rd-round picks - that's pretty damn good.

Defense and discipline can be taught - with Stevie Y serving as example 1A [Tracee Hamilton's account notwithstanding] that guy was strictly a one-way player until Scotty Bowman stapled him to the bench; the arrival of Feds made him play two-way hockey for the first time in his career.

At worst, we at least picked up very valuable assets. True talent is rare.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | June 28, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

This is from an SI article about the draft. The quote from the Western Conference GM shows that that GM thinks GMGM and the Caps scouting staff has done a good job loading up the system:

Crop We May Be Talking About Most In Five Years: Washington Capitals
If George McPhee's rep for mining gems from the deep substrata of the first isn't already set, it could be soon. The Caps' GM, who already hit it big with Mike Green (29th overall, 2004) and John Carlson (27th, 2008), looks like he could have added another jewel to his system with Evgeny Kuznetsov at 26. The 18-year-old winger isn't big (6-0, 172), but he possesses an offensive explosiveness similar to current Cap Alexander Semin. If not for the Russian passport, his skill level likely would have led someone to call his name sooner. "That could be a real value pick," a Western Conference scout told SI.com. "They've got the people in place there [Alex Ovechkin, Semin and others] that should help with [his] transition and a system that he should be comfortable with. [McPhee's scouting staff] have done a good job loading up that system." The Caps also may have found value in third-rounder Stanislav Galiev (86th), a skilled right winger from the Saint John Sea Dogs who some experts predicted could go in the first round, and Phil Grubauer (112th), the German-born goaltender who led the Windsor Spitfires to the Memorial Cup last month. A scout noted that neither player projects as a sure thing, but both have elements that make you think "there might be something special there." "These are both talented kids," he said. "There's no rush on either of them. They've got time and that may be all they need."

Posted by: sgm3 | June 28, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

And it's not also the case that small, fast players can't be successful - look at Montreal.
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Totally - look at Gionta, he's tiny but plays with a ton of heart. Plekanec. Or Gorges, he's not tall but he's a great d-man. Around the league: Marty St. Louis, terrific player. Briere, led all playoff scoring. David Krecji, B's 7-2 with, 0-fer without. Kimmo Timmonen, very effective. Brian Leetch. Height alone - irrelevant. Give me wide, fast and tough over tall, slow and skinny any day.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | June 28, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

lol, ok. I'm venting. I think you guys are so completely off its not worth debating because we'll end up talking in circles. But you'll see what happens. By my count, I was one of about 3 people on this board who were not surprised the Caps had a failed playoff run. So next year I'm sure I'll be in the same minority unless something dramatic happens this offseason. And no, signing the ATrain or Willie is not the entire solution, just a small part of it. Doubt that'll happen anyway but even if it does there's quite a few other moves personnel and philosophy-wise that need to occur for this team to wreak any real havoc in the playoffs. And the chances of all that happening imo is non-existent. It never will under GM and BB.

I wouldn't even consider winning the Cup next season as a requirement to show significant forward progress. I'd be willing to lower the bar to advancing past the 2nd round.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 28, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

and please don't make it sound like the caps drafted hardnosed competitive 2way forwards just to reinforce the argument that size is overrated. We drafted the same type of forwards we usually draft- skilled guys who are projects in terms of strength, tenacity, defensive zone play, intangibles, etc.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 28, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Am I reading correctly, that you will end your organizational hate movement, if we make it to the EC Finals?

There are those who speculate that you wont stop the hate EVEN if we win the cup.

And yup, we drafted skill guys (most of which have displayed a willingness to play both ends of the ice), which are highly valuable pieces whether we keep them or move them.

Assuming of course they pan out.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | June 28, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

And yup, we drafted skill guys (most of which have displayed a willingness to play both ends of the ice), which are highly valuable pieces whether we keep them or move them.
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convenient assumption.

with regards to "organizational hate", this is just you being unable to grasp the simple concept of informed criticism. You know, as opposed to your wildly optimistic rose-colored interpretation about any data (propaganda) that gets floated by the Caps.

hey genius, were you at all shocked and bewildered by the Caps' early exit? lol

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 28, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Two days after the completion of the 2010 NHL Entry Draft and three days before the start of the league’s free agent shopping season, the Washington Capitals got back to business on Monday. The Caps issued qualifying contract offers to nine players for the 2010-11 season.

The list of players qualified is as follows: Jay Beagle, Chris Bourque, Eric Fehr, Tomas Fleischmann, Andrew Gordon, Boyd Gordon, Patrick McNeill, Zach Miskovic and Jeff Schultz. The first six players listed are forwards while the latter three are defensemen.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 28, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"There are those who speculate that you wont stop the hate EVEN if we win the cup."

ooh pray tell me more! its all fascinating, really. Is this an underground movement devoted to predicting my every "hateful" perception towards the front office?

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 28, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

this team will not fill it's current holes through this years draft. so if you think this draft makes any difference as to whether this team will advance in the playoffs you are kidding yourself. as noted by many above, this years draft is all about three to five years from now when every skilled forward but for ov and backs will probably be gone.

teams draft the best player available not based upon current need because what is needed now may be different by the time these guys are ready. by any account, their first round pick was a top 15 pick but for his KHL commitment.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | June 28, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

@dcsportsfan1

I agree completely. These guys are selected to be replacement for skill guys in a few years when the Caps current players get too expensive to keep. It is what has to be done in the salary cap era. Almost every source said the Caps have a lack of top end skilled forwards in the minors and juniors and that was the biggest need for them.

The Caps have also been lauded as having a great draft by both ESPN and SI. In addition, scouts from other teams have been very complimentary of the Caps draft this year.

Galiev was rated the 20th best North American skater by the Central Scouting Rankings. Tha seems like a good risk at 86.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectdetail.htm?dpid=2479

Posted by: sgm3 | June 28, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

i didn't realize that these players weren't supposed to step right in and play for the Caps. Well I stand corrected then. I look forward to seeing this new crop of skilled players flunk their unpolished and unbalanced games at the NHL level.

you know my favorite part of every Caps draft though? Is hearing how every player McPhee was able to acquire was actually wayyy higher on his draft board and how ecstatic he was to be able to get em where he did. He's a genius that guy. I mean, every once in a while a blind squirrel finds a nut. But Georgie pulls off draft miracles in every year every round. Its a travesty he didn't get the GM of the yr award.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 28, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I repeat, all 9 RFA's were given qualifying offers by the team.

This includes Bourque.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 28, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

"The Caps have also been lauded as having a great draft by both ESPN and SI. In addition, scouts from other teams have been very complimentary of the Caps draft this year. "

since sgm is apparently a newbie, maybe someone else can clue him in as to the numerous other drafts the Caps have been involved in where their picks were "lauded" at the time only to fall flat on their faces once a few yrs passed. Drafts are judged mainly on skill level. As is organization rankings by HF although even HF made so many glaring errors over the past 10 yrs when ranking org depth they finally had to re-evaluate what they considered to be their criteria.

If I had a dime for every Caps fan who was gleefully beside themselves over how highly the Caps used to get rated for their prospects.......

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 28, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Informed criticism vs informed optimism. Given my tendencies, I'll take informed optimism.

Posted by: _Mark | June 28, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm still waiting for Oscar Hedman to blossom. McPhee and his scouts pointed to him as the steal of that draft. I'm definitely confused as to how an Oscar Hedman type could've turned into a bust. Makes...no...sense....cannot...compute

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 28, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Informed criticism vs informed optimism. Given my tendencies, I'll take informed optimism.

Posted by: _Mark | June 28, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

so clever
how about informed realism. As in get your head out of..

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 28, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"convenient assumption."

Not an assumption, I've been reading a lot. I am not a hockey world professional so I have to go with what is provided by others. If you are a pro, I yield to your knowledge of the situation. Please enlighten me. I must admit, in matters where I hold now expertise I tend to lean toward the view of the majority. I still reserve the right to judge for myself of course.

"with regards to "organizational hate", this is just you being unable to grasp the simple concept of informed criticism. You know, as opposed to your wildly optimistic rose-colored interpretation about any data (propaganda) that gets floated by the Caps."

There are very few concepts that are beyond my ability to grasp, but I can see why it would suit your needs to make me out to be this "wildly optimistic" fellow. However I see the good and the bad, and will openly discuss both. But this is my team, and I have positive hope for the future. So it is not in my nature to dwell on the negative.

"hey genius, were you at all shocked and bewildered by the Caps' early exit? lol"

Thanks for calling me a genius, but FYI, I am not. But I aint no dummy :) This type of comment doesnt make you look that smart though. I admit that I was a bit shocked by our early exit. Right now though I have faith in the organization that got us this far. Farther than we have been in a long time. I have faith that they will take us even farther. This, I believe is the primary area were we dont see eye to eye.

Dont waste your time trying to goad me into a pissing contest. Its not my style. My comments are reactions to what I read, if you respond in kind, I am down for some intellegent grown up dialogue.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | June 28, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

at least we filled the coffers with some defensive dmen and power forwards. Oops

mother hubbard just checked that cupboard and she is ba-a-a-a-a-re

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 28, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm just passing along expert opinions and letting others judge however they want to. The writers of espn, si, and the hockey news along with team scouts have a little more credibility than people on this board.

Reading articles of varying viewpoints and looking at each with an open mind is the road to a truly informed opinion.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 28, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Finley is going to be able to make a splash at camp again. Unfortunate injury for him last year, I see Finley as being a better "flex" guy, ala Sloan.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 28, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

cstanton knows everything about everything, just ask him, he'll tell you.

I don't know how he has all this time to be posting, every other post to be exact. I'd figure with all the answers, he'd be helping BP stop the oil leak, end world hunger, confirm or deny Elena Kagan's Supreme Court nomination.

Posted by: DaleHunter | June 28, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

nah sorry fehr, no intelligent dialog today. Not from me or anyone else here. This is just good ole fashioned venting. But I'm done and I feel slightly better so peace out :)

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 28, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Reading articles of varying viewpoints and looking at each with an open mind is the road to a truly informed opinion.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 28, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

yes, _________ is truly bliss.

And something tells me that since the only links you ever post just happens to reinforce your own beliefs about what it takes to win or what a great job our front office is doing, you're a picker and a chooser and you don't really expose yourself to "varying viewpoints". If you truly were open-minded about learning, you'd understand that the teams who have been highly successful in the playoffs at least over the past 30 yrs have some overwhelmingly common traits that we lack or that GM doesn't subscribe to.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 28, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

and seriously, any poster with the jewels to take on Dale Hunter's namesake should bring it a little harder than that. How long did you watch Dale play btw? just curious, i'm not making any assumptions.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 28, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

If you will provide links to articles that support your viewpoint I will more than gladly read them.

I enjoy reading expert writers writing differing opinions. I read many articles on different websites, from different writers on a variety of topics. I enjoy it.

So please forward the links to any and all articles you read that support your opinions. It would be much appreciated.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 28, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

you know my favorite part of every Caps draft though? Is hearing how every player McPhee was able to acquire was actually wayyy higher on his draft board and how ecstatic he was to be able to get em where he did. He's a genius that guy. I mean, every once in a while a blind squirrel finds a nut. But Georgie pulls off draft miracles in every year every round. Its a travesty he didn't get the GM of the yr award.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 28, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

yeah. that green pick was WAYYY off base at number 29..s/h been a mid third rounder at best. and carlson at 27 was a waste. varly at 23 and neuvy at 34..might have well have just drafted me instead.

please. the evidence suggests that GMGM has gotten tons of value at late first early second round picks so dont pretend that these guys are lucky picks just to fit your view of his drafts.

clearly the 05 draft is a huge miss for GMGM, but that would seem to be the exception, not the rule. with the exception of franzen, the red wings have had very little contribution from any of their draft picks in the past 5-6 years. and ken holland is the gold standard of GM's in this league.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | June 28, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

nah sorry fehr, no intelligent dialog today. Not from me or anyone else here. This is just good ole fashioned venting. But I'm done and I feel slightly better so peace out :)

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 28, 2010 3:14 PM


Awww come on. Dont make me waste my time like that again. Why dont you label your posts?

Either "im being serious"
or "im being a jackass"

When your being serious, and not spewing hate, I like a lot of what you have to say.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | June 28, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton:
"makes...no...sense...cannot...compute..." was freaking hilarious...

you should sign all your posts "My Capitals Insider posting ability runs on Haterade!" :-)

@everyone:
what does Bourque signing (if reports are to be believed) in KHL mean for his Qualifying Offer and the Caps having him at training camp? Not that his talent level will cause a massive amount of media, but isn't this the same as Radulov going over? isn't a QO mean that he has to play here?

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 28, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I've got the jewels, been watching Capitals hockey since 1980 and own a game worn, signed Dale Hunter jersey.

I've read this blog a long time, and posted some as well. I find your posts to be painful to read because you have an answer for everything, you're always right and anyone who has a different opinion than you is wrong. You're condescending tone and omniscience is only half the problem. You apparently have the skill set to be an NHL GM and have more knowledge than GMGM and anyone else on this board.

There is no point in debating with you because it's a battle in futility. You're right, everyone else is wrong, you've cornered the market in your awesomeness.

Posted by: DaleHunter | June 28, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

@DaleHunter

That was a good post. I would like to co-sign on that.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 28, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

boy sgm, you're just a cheap ho who likes to jump on everyone's bandwagon who isn't me. I'm hurt!

If I had to take a deep breath and dismiss my clockwork orange visions of whipping McPhee as he's tied to a stake, I would say that I wish the Caps would fill their glaring needs via the draft. And not have to depend on free agency or trades where the price tag (as joek helpfully pointed out) is usually too high for our esteemed and sexy GM to ever bite on.


anyway, have a great day everyone. Seriously! Its only hockey. And at least this year I get to hopefully enjoy the Skins.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 28, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

"You're condescending tone and omniscience is only half the problem."

its YOUR. The apostrophe is there to separate "you" and "are"
I didn't think that was a typo.

anyway, carry on Huntsy.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 28, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

If I had to take a deep breath and dismiss my clockwork orange visions of whipping McPhee as he's tied to a stake, I would say that I wish the Caps would fill their glaring needs via the draft. And not have to depend on free agency or trades where the price tag (as joek helpfully pointed out) is usually too high for our esteemed and sexy GM to ever bite on.
---------

@cstanton - not sure I agree, but that was pretty damn funny, even I will admit.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | June 28, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I've got the jewels, been watching Capitals hockey since 1980 and own a game worn, signed Dale Hunter jersey.

I've read this blog a long time, and posted some as well. I find your posts to be painful to read because you have an answer for everything, you're always right and anyone who has a different opinion than you is wrong. You're condescending tone and omniscience is only half the problem. You apparently have the skill set to be an NHL GM and have more knowledge than GMGM and anyone else on this board.

There is no point in debating with you because it's a battle in futility. You're right, everyone else is wrong, you've cornered the market in your awesomeness.

Posted by: DaleHunter | June 28, 2010 3:57 PM

I LOL'ed, literally.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | June 28, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Nobokov to Flyers could really suck for us.

Posted by: LloydChristmas | June 28, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

LOL... you guys and gals just make my miserable existance so much bett... *BLAM*

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 28, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Alanis Morrisette was way off when she sang about "irony"

She should have sung about cstanton defending JoeK.


Timmy:
"Joke, here's the simple fact: GMGM and BB DO know what they're doing. Each of the last 2 years, they've formed a team that had the necessary pieces to make it through the playoffs and win the Cup. What you are missing is this: THE PLAYERS PLAY, NOT THE COACH AND GM. If the players who have the ability don't live up to their potential, there's not a whole lot the GM and coach can do about it. They can pull players - but you have to have someone to put in their place, which isn't always doable. You can switch lines - which BB did. Other than that, it's up to the players."

There's absolutely nothing factual about what you just wrote. And in fact, your opinion is wholly inaccurate because its based on some flawed reasoning. (Yes that's my opinion)


Your first assumption is that because the Caps had a great reg season record, that means we had the pieces in place to succeed in the playoffs. Very naive. Ever heard of the phrase that some may consider a cliche "built for the playoffs" ? Nothing about this team that I saw convinced me it was a playoff-ready team. Even in the midst of extensive winning streaks.

2, This thing about "the players play, not the coach or GM". That's again based on the assumption that the right pieces were in place. Did McPhee construct a team that knows or is willing to forecheck their brains out when necessary? Compare the Flyers forecheck w/our forecheck. Now compare the Flyers PLAYERS with OUR PLAYERS. Finally, compare and contrast their playing style/philosophies with us. Apples and bananas. Two very differently-built teams.

Your argument would only hold water if we had the same kind of roster/philosophy that the Flyers had, and yet failed to deliver.

I have yet to see a team win a Cup without a great forecheck. And the Caps, don't forecheck to the level they need to.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 28, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I don't know that when the Avs and Red Wings were dominating and winning multiple cups their forecheck was all that great, not on their first two lines anyway. But, each team's top-6 played a terrific puck-possession game, with mobile, tough d-men who passed it right on the tape.

Of course, the 3rd and 4th lines of both those teams forechecked ferociously, and were a total pain in the @ss to play against. I love i.e., Steckel's work ethic, but I don't know that he keeps defenders up at night worrying about him bearing down on them.

As for the Flyers, I don't know that 'gritty' is the first thing that comes to mind when describing Briere, Leino or Gagne. But they do put up points when it matters.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | June 28, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1:

Look, you make some truly observant points. In the end, almost everyone here agrees with what you and I and others put, that there is an abject need for some playoff proven players, guys who would rather slice their arm off than lose even a pick-up game, and in particular that a #2C, #3RW and #1D are ESSENTIAL for playoff advancement. We mostly agree that Flash can skate on out of town and we are even like 50/50 on Semin.

Most here agree. What's funny is that you and sgm say they same things sometimes and then you argue like my daughters when one takes the other's underwear.

HOLY F--K would you just stop it and relax? You don't own a monopoly on opinion! Have you ever for one second given thought that you might, just once, be.....wrong!?!?

Most of your points are valid and, often, very enlightening. You are the first person in any medium to point out, that I know of, that the Caps problems on D are due to having all pokecheckers. This was after me pointing out that the O was all snipers (on three lines to boot, ridiculous).

I have a feeling, cstanton1, that if you and I and joek443 were to sit down and have a few beers (maybe like six each) after polishing off some wine with dinner and then tossing down some shots of tequila (please, save the salt, it's bad for you) that we'd find that the world really isn't that bad of a place.

Really, why the hatred you sometimes show?

I don't have the stats, and surely McPhee has done lousy in the later rounds and, yes, every year, we hear the familiar refrain how the player chosen was "way higher on our board."

Now, in defense of McPhee, Jagr was TED"S DECISION! We all know that, it was known at the time and it all came out anyway later. McPhee then did an incredible job of dismantling the team and what he got with the picks. Lang got us Flash and the pick for Green; Gonch got us ShaMo and the pick for Schultz; Witt got us Varly; Bonzai got us Laich.

It is incredible as the sun sets far away somewhere beyond the crest of the west-facing, tan-colored hill behind my house. Sparse; barren; a few hearty bushes eeking out a scrabbly existence; sometimes beauty on Earth is revealed in simplicity.

What I'm telling you cstanton1 is you'd be a lot more believable is you weren't so, in Donald Sutherland's words from Kelly's Heroes, filled with negatives waves. You give no credit for the good, only unrelenting criticism for the bad.

It is far from my station, cstanton1, to judge you; that, surely, will be done by a higher power. I simply wish that someone with so many good ideas could see that is the world is neither black nor white but, in true fact, a thousand shades of gray.

Have a drink. Read some Hemingway. Watch the sun set. Maybe you'll feel a tad better about things.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 28, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

At some point Boudreau and McPhee have to admit that their goaltending and blueline are what is holding the team back and make moves to rectify the holes.

That means trading some of the precious offensive talent the club has drafted and has in the pipeline and on the parent club.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | June 29, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

At some point Boudreau and McPhee have to admit that their goaltending and blueline are what is holding the team back and make moves to rectify the holes.

That means trading some of the precious offensive talent the club has drafted and has in the pipeline and on the parent club.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | June 29, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

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