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Updates on Walker, Gordon and last year's steroids case (updated)

Here's the latest on a busy day out here at KCI:

*Brooks Laich is off to the hospital to get the left side of his face checked out. He's got a cut underneath his left eye after being struck by a puck off the crossbar. Hopefully we'll know more this afternoon.

*Scott Walker (knee) skated on his own after the team session and could be ready to join the team for their next practice, according to Coach Bruce Boudreau. The team is still calling it a knee injury, but Walker, who has a history of head injuries, sported a huge bruise on and around hisleft ear, which is where Zenon Konopka landed a stiff right jab Saturday night.

*Boyd Gordon (back) did not practice and Boudreau couldn't say for sure when he'll be back.

*There's been another arrest near Tampa with connections to the steroid case that made mention of the Caps and Nationals last year.

Polk sheriff's detectives and federal agents today arrested a Virginia chiropractor with ties to the Washington Capitals hockey team and the Washington Nationals baseball team on charges he involving distributing steroids.
Dr. Douglas Owen Nagel, 50, of Reston, Va., is charged with one count of conspiracy to deliver a controlled substance and seven counts of solicitation to deliver a controlled substance, according to the PCSO.
Nagel is listed a chiropractic consultant to both the Capitals and the Nationals on a list of doctors speaking at a January 2009 event called the Annual Baseball Team Medicine Conference.

Check out the whole story here.

Update:AOL FanHouse is reporting that investigators from the Polk County Sheriff's department and U.S. Marshals came to KCI today in connection with the arrest in Florida.

"We are looking to talk to a few players," an investigator from the Polk County Sherriff's office said before they entered the Capitals office building that is attached to the team's practice rink.

As I said before, this happened while practice was underway. I don't see any law enforcement vehicles outside at the moment, so it's possible that investigators have already left the facility.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  March 23, 2010; 12:35 PM ET
 
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Sounds like Brooksie is going to be ok. That's a relief. Hard to believe that any Caps could have been involved with steroids.

Posted by: ccCapsfan | March 23, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Also...Neuvirth re-injured his re-injury in practice today: http://blog.pennlive.com/patriotnewssports/2010/03/neuvirth_exits_hershey_bears_p.html

Sigh.

Posted by: JillC | March 23, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Im hoping for speedy recoveries and that nothing comes of this steroid thing.

Note to the editors at the linked Florida paper: "...on charges he involving distributing steroids" is in the very first paragraph.

Posted by: megatroll1 | March 23, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Now we know how Juice got his nick name...

Posted by: RichC3 | March 23, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

hope Walker is ok. He's got a history of concussions anyway. One courtesy of a Matt Cooke elbow believe it or not.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 23, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

"Hard to believe that any Caps could have been involved with steroids." ..even though Ovechkin is a freak of nature...

I agree that it seems out of character but I wouldn't be totally shocked. Fleischman also got real big, super-fast over the summer. You just never know these days what's real, sadly.

Posted by: megatroll1 | March 23, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Way to live up to your name, megatroll.

Hockey players have no reason to take steroids. The smoke/fire is around baseball, where steroids are/were rampant and actually help the player at the sport.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 23, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

what steroids does is help recover from injuries and workouts faster so it can help just about every athlete and yes hockey players as well

but I have a hard time believing Ovi would be involved with this thing because if he was gonna take steriods, I'm sure he could do so in Russia a lot more easily

Posted by: joek443 | March 23, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

The argument that hockey players have no reason to take steroids is as dumb as the argument 10 years ago that baseball players had no reason to take steroids. Are you saying that having increased leg strength or increased healing wouldn't be beneficial to hockey players?

Any professional athlete has a reason to take steroids, in any sport. Be it hockey, baseball, football, basketball, soccer, etc.

Steroids improves stength, endurance, and healing. All are useful in every sport. Steroids do not have to be used in a way that has people end up looking like body builders.

Just because steroids could be beneficial doesn't mean anyone is guilty. Hopefully no current Caps were or are involved in steroids. But this guys ties to the organization will rightly lead to more questions.

Posted by: sgm3 | March 23, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Hockey players have no reason to take steroids... Really? Please remove head from sand.

Posted by: Gooooner | March 23, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

$20 says Carlson hit Laich with a shot during "gatorrade boy" the game where they try to shoot pucks through the top corners with sticks forming tiny triangles to shoot through. they play it everytime after practice, crossbars, posts and broken sticks (one of which i got after practice one time) is a common occurance during that game.

Posted by: capsfan387 | March 23, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

@joek443

I agree that if a European player was going to take steroids it would make much more sense for them to do it in there home country. Especially in Russia, given the greatly decreased chance of them getting caught.

Posted by: sgm3 | March 23, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

You guys must be unfamiliar with Moriseette, and the plethora of other material out there.

I am in no way saying hockey players don't take steroids. What I am saying is that the benefits from it aren't going to help you at all, or very marginally, in hockey.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 23, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

in answer to my own question a few posts back...(from Japers)

If you read this morning’s Pittsburgh papers, one could come away with a slightly different viewpoint from the CBC article. The Post-Gazette and the Tribune-Review ripped the Pens for being a shadow of their former selves. And for those touting Crosby for MVP consider this gem:


Although Malkin’s numbers this season are down from the lofty standards he has set, his value is becoming increasingly clear. The Penguins are 3-7 in the games he has missed.
Perhaps more alarmingly, Crosby, who is tied with Alex Ovechkin for the NHL goal lead with 45, has produced zero goals and only three assists in the 10 games Malkin has missed.
-Tribune-Review

Posted by: jeets | March 23, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, Eric Cairns comments as well.

I've been following this "story" since I've been a fan of hockey, and I will tell you that doctors and former players who have used will both tell you that the use of steroids does not benefit a professional hockey player.

Take it for what you will.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 23, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Any professional athlete has a reason to take steroids, in any sport. Be it hockey, baseball, football, basketball, soccer, etc.

_______________________________________

Yeah, that's why tons of former hockey players have gone on record saying it doesn't really help.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 23, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

How can increased leg strength (which leads to more power, greater strength on the puck and more speed) and speedier recovery (which leads a player to be much fresher throughout the season) not be greatly beneficial to hokcey player?

Aren't those the qualities they train all offseason to obtain? If so, then how can something that will give you greater results in both not be beneficial?

Posted by: sgm3 | March 23, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

if steroids can help baseball players which is more of a skill sport than physical sport, don't see how it couldn't help hockey players just as much if not more...

Posted by: joek443 | March 23, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Sure. I'll agree with that.

But can you explain to me why former players who used have gone on record saying it doesn't help?

Posted by: richmondphil | March 23, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

And taking it for recovery is a bit different. When I said my first comment, I specifically had in mind taking it for increased stamina, bulk, etc.

Taking steroids for injury recovery is going to help anyone, hockey player or not, of course.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 23, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

@capsfan387

You'd lose that bet.

Posted by: capshockeygrl | March 23, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

The same reason people like McGwire and Giambi go on record and say that it didn't help (when statistics prove otherwise). It's why football players say it doesn't help (do you believe that). I think Ben Johnson also said it didn't help him (don't believe that either).

If they say it didn't help then it makes them look better. That everything they achieved would have been achieved even if they took no steroids. It's an ego boost for themselves. Otherwise they are basicaly saying they may have not even made th NHL without steroids.

Pretty much all of those quotes are worth a grain of salt.

Posted by: sgm3 | March 23, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

That's an ad hoc tactic if I've ever seen one.

Go read some books about steroids in hockey. Then go read some books about it in other sports. It's not the same at all.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 23, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Just saw the Penguins working out at the Sports Club LA. They were playing basketball, of all things. Crosby was one of the first to finish. Talked to Matt Cooke for a second (just to confirm it was actually the Penguins).

Posted by: Steph22 | March 23, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Well dismiss steroids reports but folks apparently were at Kettler today.

http://nhl.fanhouse.com/2010/03/23/steroid-investigators-target-capitals-training-facility/

Posted by: rbluesw | March 23, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

You still haven't answered the question:

If players spend all offseason lifting to get increased leg strength (Ovie clearly did as well as others. Jagr was known for having amazing leg strength and worked constantly at it), then how would taking a substance that would provide greater results in those offseason workouts not be beneficial? If it wasn't beneficial then why do hockey players lift weights at all?

Posted by: sgm3 | March 23, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

@Sgm3

Why not go ask the players who took the steroids and said it didn't help them much? Oh wait, because they were just saving "face", right? Like the football and baseball players, who's cases are so similar to that of hockey players, we can just compare them to each other. Even though the wealth of information on the topic on all of these sports all signify a different pattern, different response, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

right?

Posted by: richmondphil | March 23, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

That must be the reason we score more than anyone else in the league. The roids factor.........gmafb

Posted by: Capsfannmiss | March 23, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

You still haven't answered the question:

If players spend all offseason lifting to get increased leg strength (Ovie clearly did as well as others. Jagr was known for having amazing leg strength and worked constantly at it), then how would taking a substance that would provide greater results in those offseason workouts not be beneficial?

Also, when were those books written?

Posted by: sgm3 | March 23, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

If it wasn't beneficial then why do hockey players lift weights at all?

Posted by: sgm3 | March 23, 2010 1:49 PM |
If what wasn't beneficial?

If you mean steroids, then I don't even want to deal with the question.

If you mean lifting weights, then you basically just akin-ed taking steroids to lifting weights, based on them providing benefits. Really?

Posted by: richmondphil | March 23, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

And you answered mine with some ad hoc garbage about every sport using and reacting to steroids in the same manner.

So, I guess we will both go one not answering each others questions.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 23, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

@richmodphil

Seriously? If the results of weight lifting is beneficial to hockey players then taking steroids in addition to lifting weights would also be potentially beneficial since the results could be greater.

Posted by: sgm3 | March 23, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Brooks got hurt after the Gatorade game. The guys were just shooting at the goal and he shot bounced off the crossbar. My kids were happy, both got Poti, Green, and Knuble's auto's, my son got his idol's, Ovid! All and all was a good day. I did see he cops in the office space at kettler.

Posted by: hbcapsfan | March 23, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

And if you want to know when these books were written, why don't you..you know..go read them? Educate yourself on why steroids in the NHL has been different from other leagues. Maybe then you wouldn't seem so ignorant on the issue.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 23, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Given the proliferation of steroid use in a variety of other sports and the head-in-sand attitude of pro sport league management, I'd be shocked if a significant number of NHL players had not used steroids or HGH or both. We sure don't need this issue now. The haters would love to be able to claim that the Caps' success was due to performance enhancing drugs.

Posted by: zmega | March 23, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

Give me the titles of these books so I can go find them and read them.

Posted by: sgm3 | March 23, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Seriously? If the results of weight lifting is beneficial to hockey players then taking steroids in addition to lifting weights would also be potentially beneficial since the results could be greater.

Posted by: sgm3 | March 23, 2010 2:02 PM |

And not eating red meat will be potentially beneficial since you will have a less likely chance of developing heart congestion.

Again, you just basically said two acts are the same because they both provide benefits. Screw it..why not take steroids, right? It's beneficial!

Posted by: richmondphil | March 23, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Are hockey players drug tested? I'm sure the ones at the olympics must have been.

Posted by: jfwil | March 23, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

@zmega:

If they say the Caps' success was due to drugs, what about the Nats? Supposedly this guy treated Caps and Nats players - and we all know how good the Nats have been!

Posted by: DevilsCapsGal | March 23, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

@megatroll1

Flash actually got real small over the summer. Missed about two months with his blood clot. So, don't implicate Flash. That's just not cool.

Posted by: lornemyoung | March 23, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Flash actually got real small over the summer. Missed about two months with his blood clot. So, don't implicate Flash. That's just not cool.

Posted by: lornemyoung | March 23, 2010 2:11 PM |

Well duh..isn't it obvious?

he took steroids to recover and bulk up afterwards. It was beneficial to him.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 23, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Wednesday night boys...the game of games. No, not the Pens/Caps game.

I'm talking about the 3-D extravaganza presented by MSG between the Islanders and the Rangers. Yes..the game is going to be broadcast in "3-D."

Posted by: richmondphil | March 23, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

trying to suggest a hockey player wouldn't benefit from steroids is just idiotic, anything involving muscular performance is aided by roids, they allow you to get bigger, stronger, faster, quicker, as well as decreasing the amount of time it takes to recover from injury and in many cases they allow athletes to achieve results that their body would've been incapable of reaching without their assistance, so do you believe barry bonds when he said steroids wouldn't help a baseball player? guess how many people broke maris' 61 home run record without roids...0, three (bonds, mcgwire, sosa) have done so with roids and and they helped brady anderson hit 50 one year too

Posted by: bford1kb | March 23, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Another analogy to a different sport. Great. As far as Bonds and Mcquire's quotes on the steroids not helping, they broke records.

Steve Morissette, Eric Kairns, etc..the hockey guys who had quotes on steroids not helping...didn't do much of anything.

They don't have the same pressures to "lie", had they lied. If it is revealed in years to come that the great hockey players, or the overtly physical (Lindros, Neely, Gretzky, Jagr etc) took steroids, then sure. I will gladly eat crow.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 23, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

This tabloid coverage of the "steroids" issue re the Caps makes me sick. Just because investigators are at Kettler is interpreted by some that Caps players used steroids? Remember all the furor when that dirtbag steroids dealer in Florida was arrested and bragged that he sold to professional athletes including Nats and Caps? Both leagues investigated and found nothing, but reputations were clouded nonetheless.

Now it is clear where the dealer's claims came from - he sold to a chiropracter who may have treated some Nats and/or Caps. So again the issue is resurrected, with ideas of guilt being suggested by the media, especially the blogosphere. The fact that sheriff's representatives from Florida, who were here to arrest the doctor, came to Kettler in their investigation means nothing. They are following up on their investigation and nothing more.

It seems that we have forgotten the cardinal rule of Constitutional criminal law - one is innocent until proven guilty. Yet posters here - and I'm sure on Pens blogs everywhere - are writing as though it has already been proven that one or more Caps players 'used.' Remember too that this dealer was arrested in May 2009 - it's old news.

Let's be fair to the names and reputations of these players and not assume they're guilty of anything until there has been some evidence? Right now there's nothing more than the arrest of a chiropracter and questions at Kettler by investigators. No reason to start speculating about guys body mass or muscle development - that's how unfounded rumors start and in this world of the Internet, they never go away.

Posted by: DevilsCapsGal | March 23, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"Some of the names of Dr. Nagel's patients included both current and former Capitals players," Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd told FanHouse in a phone interview. "We need make it clear that we don't know at this point, that we don't have conclusive proof any of these players have purchased drugs from either Nagel or Thomas. That's still under investigation."

Is there inconclusive proof? Or is Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd just smearing the Capitals so he can get some press?

Posted by: uncatim | March 23, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

My ultimate conspiricy theory:

Remember the "slump" Ovie and Backstrum were in upon their return from Vancover, which was blamed on fatigue? Well mabye they had to "clean up" for a few weeks due to Olympic drug testing. And now they are back on track...

Posted by: hockeypuck1 | March 23, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Haha..that's actually supposed to be Dave Morissette.

Cross-wired with the Smiths/Morrissey there..

Posted by: richmondphil | March 23, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"Some of the names of Dr. Nagel's patients included both current and former Capitals players," Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd told FanHouse in a phone interview. "We need make it clear that we don't know at this point, that we don't have conclusive proof any of these players have purchased drugs from either Nagel or Thomas. That's still under investigation."

Is there inconclusive proof? Or is Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd just smearing the Capitals so he can get some press?

Posted by: uncatim | March 23, 2010 2:30 PM

That's exactly my point - that is the same sheriff who made those same type of statements when the dealer was arrested last year. Do we think he'd get any publicity if he just arrested a chiropracter who was involved with a steroid dealer? No - but everyone's going to listen and have him on tv if he mentions professional athletes!

Posted by: DevilsCapsGal | March 23, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Remember the "slump" Ovie and Backstrum were in upon their return from Vancover, which was blamed on fatigue? Well mabye they had to "clean up" for a few weeks due to Olympic drug testing. And now they are back on track...

Posted by: hockeypuck1 | March 23, 2010 2:31 PM |

Spot on. That's why Ovechkin couldn't hit anyone like he normally does. Oh wait, sorry Jagr...

Posted by: richmondphil | March 23, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

richmond you are a moron, it's about the muscular performance, the fact that baseball is the sport that has been exposed means they are the examples we have of increased performance due to roids, or how bout the endless list of sprinters that have been stripped of their world records? or tour de france riders? steroids help muscular performance, and surely muscular performance is not involved in hockey right? I'm not saying any hockey greats used them bc guess what nobody knows, but to say that steroids would not help a hockey player is just plain unfathomable stupidity

Posted by: bford1kb | March 23, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

and honestly I bet it's more the fringe players fighting for a job that succumb to the pressure and do any and everything they can, including roids, to try and gain an edge

Posted by: bford1kb | March 23, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I guess I'm a moron. I'll gladly take the word from insiders, former players, doctors, former coaches, etc over a few guys on some blog.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 23, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately this seems like it could have the makings of being a huge distraction during the playoffs if there is an increased investigation.

Hopefully it will blow over and not be a distraction, but the public comment that current Caps were on the Dr.'s list could generate some nervous feelings in the dressing room (unless everyone is innocent which hopefully they are).

Posted by: sgm3 | March 23, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

And again..telling me that steroids will help someone at something physical is like telling me the sky is blue. No crap.

When you weigh out everything, it marginally helps. And until it's proven that a player turned his game around from shooting steroids (like it has been proven in these other sports you guys love to mention), or that a superstar used them, I will quote former players on the issue.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 23, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I assume Ovie, Semin, Backstrom, Flash, Juice and Varly all got tested for steriods anyways during the Olympics....

Posted by: adamkatzen | March 23, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

Almost every doctor (my father and two brothers both being doctors along with all of their friends all agreed) will tell you that taking steroids and/or HGH would be beneficial to an athlete in the short term if taken correctly.

Increased strength(leg strength for hockey players), speedier recovery, and increased energy levels during workouts (and games) benefits any athlete.

Posted by: sgm3 | March 23, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Brooks got hurt after the Gatorade game. The guys were just shooting at the goal and he shot bounced off the crossbar. My kids were happy, both got Poti, Green, and Knuble's auto's, my son got his idol's, Ovid! All and all was a good day. I did see he cops in the office space at kettler.

Posted by: hbcapsfan | March 23, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

@adamkatzen

Ovie definitely did.

Posted by: sgm3 | March 23, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

No crap. It's a freakin steroid after all.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 23, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=522369

Great article on A. Gordon. Guy was getting a lot of love here a week or two ago, if I remember. NHL recognized him as well.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 23, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of what my user name may be, I honestly believe that if there were one Cap over the past three seasons who would use steroids it would have to be...

CHRIS CLARK.

He saw a substantial decline in production. Battled through injuries. He probably just wanted to get back to his 2005 form.

The only problem was that...he sucks at hockey, and steroids don't really help your performance in hockey.

Posted by: chrisclarksucks | March 23, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

"When you look at my numbers, I'm having a good season, but I don't really consider myself to be an elite scorer or an elite playmaker," Gordon said. "I win puck battles, try to get to the front of the net. You take some abuse doing that, but at the same time it pays off. I score a lot of goals from within two feet of the crease."

Knuble replacement in 1 1/2 years?

Posted by: richmondphil | March 23, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

There is no proof of anything at this point. But given recent history, it makes me nervous. Remember when Jose Canseco made all of his allegations, and everyone wrote those off. It turns out he was right more than wrong. I hope and pray there is nothing here, especially with current players.

Posted by: zmega | March 23, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I'd think Gordon will be given a good shot to make the Caps roster next year as a bottom 6 forward. Not sure who will be gone but my guess is that one of the veteran forwards may have to go for salary cap reasons (probably trading Flash or Fehr).

Posted by: sgm3 | March 23, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Good thing Ov never really tried to win the fastest skater or the hardest shot contest during the All Star Break. Somebody may have figured it out. He used all his strength from "juicing" in the event where nobody would even think to look, the Shootout Contest. Man he is alot smarter then we think!

.....end sarcasm

Posted by: ludeman95 | March 23, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Forwards is a mess right now..in a good way. I doubt we'll see that much turnover up front.

Playoffs are my focus, but it's a bit exciting to think about the d pairings next year. Lots of turnover, lots of different ways for GMGM to go.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 23, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Yawn. The NHL tests athletes and no Caps have ever been busted. The league looked into this in November and found nothing to substantiate anything.

The guy who was pinched was at one time listed as the Caps chiro. It's only natural that the Caps at least be interviewed. If they were really doping it would have come out by now.

Posted by: southside721 | March 23, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

sorry about the above post I made, it was from my Droid. Meant to say that my son got Ovi's auto, not Ovid... :) As for Laich, it was a nasty shot. He was to the right of the goal and Carlson took a hard slapper from the left side. Everyone in the crowd gasped when it happened. I asked Poti when he was signing my hat if he was going to be OK and he said that he is going to need at least stitches....

Also, I asked Green if we would be kind enough to hit the crap out of Cindy tomorrow, He chucked and said sure.... Love these Caps!!!

Posted by: hbcapsfan | March 23, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Is that how he scored a goal with a left-handed stick? :)

Seriously, as goofy as it was....he did score with a left-handed stick.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 23, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

darn, the steroid could over the caps again...
I really hope none of the core players is involved in this mess,especially Ovi. I dont think Ovi reputaion could survive this.

Posted by: guer_j | March 23, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

southside721: I agree, but remember NY State Judge Sol Wachtler's aphorism: "Even a modestly competent district attorney can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich."

Posted by: uncatim | March 23, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm focused on the playoffs too but it sometimes is hard not to get our GM hat on and start figuring out roster possibilities for next season. Especially given the Caps plethora of talented prospects in Hershey.

Clearly a lot will be determined on who leaves but I would think that if Gordon (24 years old) is not able to make the Caps lineup next year (at least as the 13th forward) that they may end up trading him for a pick.

This would benefit both since the Caps would get something in return for a player who is unable to crack their roster and Gordon would get an opportunity to play in the NHL.

But I would like to see Gordon get an opportunity on the Caps next year.

Posted by: sgm3 | March 23, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Simple fact about steroids in hockey - why would it help? The best players in hockey are rarely the strongest, they are the ones who are most skilled - something that steroids would do nothing to help. The best hockey players are the ones who have great body control, fast reactions, and accuracy - none of which would be helped by steroids. In baseball, the guys who take steroids are usually the home run hitters - where strength is a major asset.

Posted by: timmyv38 | March 23, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Aren't NHLers, like people in the transportation industry, randomly checked?

Posted by: OvechkinFan92801 | March 23, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

The Polk County Sheriff's Office press release on today's arrest brings up the unsubstantiated allegations from last year's arrest of Thomas, but then gives the disclaimer that "The Polk County Sheriff's Office has no conclusive evidence or proof that Nagel has provided any steroids to any professional athletes." So like last year, that office has no problem with putting the smear out there without proof. Based upon a Tampa Tribune article, the indictment on which Nagel was arrested does not appear to contain charges related to actual distribution to specific athletes or to any specific person; the indictment charges seven counts for solicitation to deliver a controlled substance and one count of conspiracy to deliver a controlled substance. While Nagel's office sign (photo by Tarik on Twitter) lists him as Chiropractor, Washington Capitals, the Caps media guide does not list an official chiropractor. A quick Google search came up with two other chiropractors who claim to be the official chiropractor of the Capitals. So who knows if anyone on the Caps or the Caps staff actually is or was a patient or if his sign is based solely upon his office being near Kettler?

Posted by: NovaCath1 | March 23, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I've laid to rest the steroids discussion, though what timmyv38 expresses is somewhat similar to what I was trying to express.

Juicing up in the NHL has been documented for a long time. It's nothing new. It's really just not the same as in other sports. Again, when you weigh everything out, not just the benefits from the steroids, it seems to be marginally beneficial, as noted by former players.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 23, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I think the guy was more so connected with the Nats. In what way, as a honest chiropractor or a hormone peddler, who knows.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 23, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Steriods do not help cardiovascular fitness which is why you don't see much use for steriods in hockey, basketball, lacrosse and cardio sports(tennis, bike racing, cross country).

Endurance requires a different set of doping techniques like blood infusions,nsaisds, etc.

Steriods will help recovery from injury and from workouts. So in lifting weights and adding strength, big improvements can be reached from steriods. Steriods would help if you wanted to practice 3 times a day, but during a season the game grind is too intense to practice hard enough where steroids show any siginficant inseason gains. offseason is a different story.

Steriods help your body recover post workout to allow more intense and more frequent sessions, which yields more gains.

Beer-roids (which were legal under NCAA testing rules) help also. You get a little buzz, then you will be willing to work harder and longer during a workout. Make sure you hydrate or the hangover is a beyatch.

Posted by: cadlecreek1 | March 23, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil: There is this nasty quote from today's NY Times, "Nagel's wife, Jan, said in a brief phone interview that her husband did not sell steroids. She denied that he ever treated members of the Nationals and declined to comment on whether he had treated any Capitals."

Posted by: uncatim | March 23, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

@timmyv38

While everyone thought that only homerun hitter would have been the guys taking steroids in baseball it turned out many pitchers were taking them too. For increased leg strength and better recovery.

Leg strength is extremely important in hockey. Like almost every other sport, skill is also necessary and important. PEDs won't improve a players skill, but if it improves an already skilled players strength and speed then it improves the player since strength and speed are important.

Look at Ovie(I'm not accusing Ovie of anything so do not get any implications from this statement. I actually think Ovie is just comes from very good bloodlines.). One of the main reasons he is considered to be better than everyone else is his great speed and strength. The strength in his legs allows him to power through people and skate by people. Obviously, his great skill combined with that physical prowess is what makes him so great. But skill wise, I don't see Ovie being much better than Semin or Gaborik but it is his size and strength that sets him apart from those other top players.

All I'm saying is speed and strength (leg strength not necessarily upper body) are very important in the NHL and being the best in the league at speed and leg strength can only improve a player's game.

Posted by: sgm3 | March 23, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil,

You're argument is confusing. You say that 'tons' of former players and doctors say that steroids aren't beneficial to hockey players. You're first post on this topic is 'hockey players have no reason to take steroids'.

Then you mention Dave Morissette, who himself went on record in 2005 and said that he believes steroids are being used in hockey, as well as abuses of stimulants like sudafed and ripped fuel. The latter two have been know to be commonplace in dressing rooms for years.

Your condesceding tone when talking about Dave Morissette is great though, he played all of 11 NHL games back in 98 and 99. You mention him as if he were a household name.

Ever hear of Sean Hill? Defensemen, New York Islanders. 20 game suspension for violating the NHL steroid policy. Don't have the exact date, but I think it was 06 or 07 when it happened.

Point is, hockey players have every reason to take steroids. Take your head out of you a$$.

Posted by: Fletch22 | March 23, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

southside your comment is the only one out of the lot that is on the money. the NHL test players randomly common sense says that by now someone would have been caught if any NHL players were using. the sky is falling everyone duck and run..

Posted by: ags38 | March 23, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Unbelievable how some so-called "fans" want to contribute to the ongoing smear campaign against the Caps by making baseless suppositions against specific players. Totally subjective assumptions that only help those who hate the Caps and try to start polemics and rumors. I would not want you as friends nor fans. There is something called "loyalty" which is an implied pre-requisite for being a true fan. Unless there is convincing evidence to the contrary; you should assume that the Caps players are clean. How's that for starters?

Posted by: Irreverent_inDC | March 24, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

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