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Nylander update

While a number of outlets are reporting that Michael Nylander appears to be headed to Russia, including this report posted on TSN.ca within the past hour, a Caps official just said the team does not expect an update on the veteran center's status today.

I'll post an update as soon as I hear anything else.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  November 10, 2009; 1:14 PM ET
 
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wtf??? GMGM said they will have an update today!!

Posted by: Andoy | November 10, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

shenanigans...just go away please!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | November 10, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

wouldnt suprise me if George is also shopping him at the GM's meeting today.

Posted by: pch49 | November 10, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I'll believe it when I see it

Posted by: MeatSweats | November 10, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Anyone getting the sense that talking about Nylander leaving is similar to talking about a shutout or a perfect game.

Posted by: mattbuckley80 | November 10, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

It definitely makes more sense to shop him around at the GM meeting today. If GMGM can get anything for Nyls, it's better than getting nothing for him. I don't think it's going to happen though, the whole league had a chance on him when he was on waivers and passed. My guess is that we'll hear Russian news around 1pm tomorrow.

Posted by: leacha | November 10, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Since this is ANOTHER Nylander thread - let's talk about Nylander without actually talking about Nylander....

Assuming he goes (good bet at this point I'd wager) what do we do with that sweet $4.35M in cap space?

Save it for a deadline aquisition? Bring up Alzner? What should we do?

Posted by: patrone | November 10, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Please let it end!!!!!!

Posted by: chombie13 | November 10, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Since this is ANOTHER Nylander thread - let's talk about Nylander without actually talking about Nylander....

Assuming he goes (good bet at this point I'd wager) what do we do with that sweet $4.35M in cap space?

Save it for a deadline aquisition? Bring up Alzner? What should we do?

Posted by: patrone | November 10, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

spend it on booze and chicks...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 10, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

KHL offices closed for business today before Nylander made his decision. This time tomorrow the deal will be done and he will be gone. Neither side will confirm or deny until its official, that is why the Caps are saying nothing will be announced today. Has nothing to do with him being offered at the GM meetings.

Posted by: ThePat | November 10, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Found this on TFP (sorry about the plug Tarik)

"I'm awaiting a call back from a contact in the KHL, though all signs point to Nylander heading over unless a last minute trade is worked out during the GM meetings in Toronto today and tomorrow. -- David Pagnotta"

Posted by: pch49 | November 10, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I think we should spend it on lower the cost of beer at the games...

Posted by: SinkingCaps | November 10, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Try 4.875. And ... here we go.

What do we do with that cap space? You could bring Alzner up. You could sign Foppa. You could do any number of things.

But who says we have to do anything at all? What law says that we have to get rid of it immediately? Why not sit on it and build a cushion that will allow injury recalls and LTIR without going into the bonus cushion that will hurt us when we try to resign Backstrom and Semin and Steckel next year? Why not see what is needed at the deadline? Sheesh. If I'm GMGM, I bury that money under a rock for a month or two.

Posted by: kittypawz | November 10, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Finally! A thinking Caps fan! Good call, kittypawz.

Posted by: Greg S. | November 10, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I agree with @kittypawz, although I think I would bring Alzner up for a couple of games just to give the kid some fun. He had a tough break coming out of camp with Sloan getting the call and that has to have hurt his pride a little bit.

Posted by: leacha | November 10, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

OH NO ChickenLittle remembers the last time Nylander had to make a decision about where to play next. OH NO Mrs. Nylander said no to far away cold Edmonton at the last minute (or after the last minute). OH NO hope she is not sleeping on the decision tonight!! OH NO ChickenLittle knows what it's like to be hen-pecked!! OH NO ChickenLittle has never been to Minsk, but it does not sound like Miami Beach to ChickenLittle!! OH NO!!!!!

Posted by: ChickenLittleCapsFan | November 10, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Mr.Nylander Goes To Russia
November 10, 2009, 1:24 PM ET [4 Comments]

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Full Circle


As was expected, rumoured and speculated upon for months and months, the inevitable appears to be on its way towards confirmation.

I am awaiting word on final details, but it would appear that Nylander to Russia is 95% done.

That said, as we all know and as Bob McKenzie and others continue to remind us, this situation has been on the table before and has not seen itself through to fruition, so jumping to the foregone conclusion that this is a done deal is not necessarily so.

Again, I will reiterate that alot of hope hinged on today's GM meetings in Toronto and we are not likely to hear any confirmation of a move until those meetings are over.

That said, given the details I have heard, I would put it at 95% done. Where he wants to play may be all that is left to decide.

This does not mean this is the last we have heard from Mr.Nylander and I fully expect to see him re-surface later on this year.

Regardless of what does happen to Michael, I will be sure to continue monitoring how he does, no matter where he goes.

I will be back with updates and details as I get them(and can release them).

Hey Cap fans...how does that cap space feel? Light on the shoulders? Thought so.


Back with more as I get it.


steven.hindle@hockeybuzz.com
capitalshockeybuzz@live.ca
Go Caps!!!!!

Posted by: Skins28 | November 10, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Let's spend it on bringing Jagr back to the NHL!

Posted by: Raber | November 10, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I agree with @kittypawz, although I think I would bring Alzner up for a couple of games just to give the kid some fun. He had a tough break coming out of camp with Sloan getting the call and that has to have hurt his pride a little bit.

Posted by: leacha | November 10, 2009 1:49 PM |

We have 8 d-man up already. I don't see Alzner getting a call unless we have a few injuries, or if BB likes Sloan on wing that much. (he does have 2 goals)

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

wtf??? GMGM said they will have an update today!!

Posted by: Andoy | November 10, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I wish i was first, but I would've said the same thing. WTF?!?!?!? Hurry up already!!!

Posted by: jwash4472 | November 10, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Here's hoping whatever team he joins will actually play him. Best of luck, Nyls!!

Posted by: CapsChick | November 10, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Raber. I'm going to sick kittypawz on you to scratch you to death for that one. ;)

Posted by: Greg S. | November 10, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I think that cap space is burning a hole in some people's pockets.

Surely not Ted's.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

We have 8 d-man up already. I don't see Alzner getting a call unless we have a few injuries, or if BB likes Sloan on wing that much. (he does have 2 goals)

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 1:54 PM
_________________

Did Sloan outright beat Alzner to a spot on the team this year, or did his salary cap have any say as to who got to stick around as 8th dman? I cannot recall.

Either way, I generally like having Sloan as the 8th Dman, and its just an added bonus that he proves to be versatile. I probably would rather have Alzner or Carlson up eventually, to give them more experience, but I do value that Hershey does give them more time to develop/grow.

I agree with kittypawz that if indeed we do have that nice bit of caps space, there should be no rush to fill it. However, if Foppa is available, and his price is reasonable...JUMP ON IT! He is definitely one of my all time favorites, and his leadership and experience, especially come April, would definitely be worth it!

Things are looking great!

Go Caps!

Posted by: The_Stanley_Caps | November 10, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

wtf??? GMGM said they will have an update today!!

Posted by: Andoy | November 10, 2009 1:20 PM

In a related story, McPhee has not yet formally admitted the Washington even HAS an NHL franchise.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

This does open up some possibilities, though. We don't really need another D-man on the roster, but it would be nice to do some upgrading. With the cap room we now presumeably will have, we can trade for a higher quality blue liner and not really be concerned with the cap hit so much.

Or we could bank it for a rainy day. But there's certainly no rush right now. For now we could bring up some guys to fill in offensively, and give a guy or two a break.

Posted by: Greg S. | November 10, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

don't ever trust Hockey Buzz

Posted by: lylewimbledon | November 10, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

95% isnt good enough. Michael Jordan said he was 99% sure he wouldnt play again. This is starting to turn into another Mats Sundin saga.HUH imagine that both from Sweden and both are bald.

Posted by: washingtoncapitals | November 10, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

@ Tominfl1,

I would officially like to join your "fanclub" (of posters who enjoy your posts, as many posters have admitted over time).

You crack me up every time! Keep up the great posts.

Go Caps!

Posted by: The_Stanley_Caps | November 10, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Spending money for a contract for this season does not effect our money for next season. We are carrying too many defensemen at moment to call up Alzner, maybe GMGM will try to sell someone Poti at the meetings.

I'm not advocating spending money frivolously but if forsberg wants to half of it, by all means take it.

Posted by: JSchon | November 10, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

@Stanley_Caps

Not too sure on why Sloan got the nod over Alzner, but considering we were really, really, really tight at the start of the season, it would not surprise me that salary issues were the real reason why Sloan is up above Alzner.
However, I do like to make this point. Sloan and Alzner were both called up last year in the playoffs, but only one of them played. Something to think about.


I think we will see both of them this year in a Caps jersey. Just gotta wait for the injuries/underachieving to start happening.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Raber. I'm going to sick kittypawz on you to scratch you to death for that one. ;)

Posted by: Greg S. | November 10, 2009 1:58 PM

Too soon? ;-)

I'm going to stay extremely pessimistic until I read that Nylander is on a plane to Russia. This is the song that never ends...

Posted by: Raber | November 10, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Nobody thinks the Caps would blow through the entire available cap room immediately. But if Forsberg is available now, won't be available later, and is considered to be an important addition, that could happen now. Other pieces would fall into place later in the year. I predict that Ted will spend the money at some point this year, unless the team really starts playing poorly.

Posted by: zmega | November 10, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

don't ever trust Hockey Buzz

Posted by: lylewimbledon | November 10, 2009 2:04 PM |

The majority of bloggers at hockeybuzz are reputable and a lot of em work for the team they are reporting for.

Eklund is, in fact, an idiot.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

If you can get forsberg now - do it!

There will be plenty of cap room later as we have an overstock of tradable players.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | November 10, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I know this off topic, but does anyone know if the Caps are wearing camouflage jerseys during warm-ups tomorrow?

Posted by: JD09 | November 10, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Stanley Caps: thx

zmega: I'm all for getting Forsberg at a reasonable price. But look at it this way. We are at game 17. The deadline is around game 62. If we can bank half of Nylander's salary for the next 45 games ($2.45M times half a season), you can then acquire a $5M player for the last 20 games.

This means that exactly the kind of player we all wanted last year, at the deadline, this year we can get.

You can pay Forsberg up to about $1.8M for the rest of the season and the math works.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Is someone from the Post at the GM meetings in Toronto? That is the paper that broke the Watergate conspiracy, right?

Posted by: zmega | November 10, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Spending money for a contract for this season does not effect our money for next season. We are carrying too many defensemen at moment to call up Alzner, maybe GMGM will try to sell someone Poti at the meetings.

Yes, it can, JSchon. An injury callup where the person he's replacing is not on LTIR still counts against the cap. If that callup goes into the bonus cushion, the amount used of the bonus cushion counts against us next year. Because of the Backstrom / Semin things, we don't want to go into the bonus cushion if we can possibly avoid it, which is why having cap wiggle room is a really good idea.

I'm not convinced that we need anything right now, really. I understand fame and talent and all that, but injury issues suggest maybe this isn't as rosy as it first appears.

Posted by: kittypawz | November 10, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

1 - Hockeybuzz is a farce. Anything Eklund or any of his minions posts is all BS. They sit around and come up with the dumbest and most implausible rumors. Furthermore, his "guess" rate was like 3% on the old site, and the ones he got right were the easy, already identified by mainstream media trades/moves.

2 - Completely agree to bank the bucks. Sure Alzner would be nice. But very few current D-men on our roster are on 2-way deals. Just Schultz and Sloan. I am all for sending Sarge back to basic training, but BB likes him a lot, and prob. feels that it would make him go backwards if he went to the land of chocolate.

3 - Sloan should stay. He is versatile, willing, and an extremely hard worker. Plus, you know Gordo, Fehr, and Clarkie are injuries waiting to happen. We will need Sloan on a random lean defense night, or 3rd line grit, or 4th line goal scoring...he's one of the 'intangible' players successful teams need.

4 - GM GM keeps his cards close to his chest...he won't even tell his wife what they're having for dinner until the doorbell rings, and still he'd claim he doesn't know the pizza boy.

5 - 2 to 4 years ago was there even 1% of the Caps chatter there is now?? Nope...this is totally enjoyable even when there are real issues and concerns...good to finally see Washington embrace hockey.

Keep it up guys, it really helps the day go by...and tomorrow night we'll celebrate the end of Nyls (aka "dropping the anchor") by pasting the Isles...

Posted by: netminder71 | November 10, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

This means that exactly the kind of player we all wanted last year, at the deadline, this year we can get.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 2:16 PM |

My vote goes to Volchenkov if;
a) he's healthy
b) he's available

Other possible FA's up for grabs at the d-line?

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Is someone from the Post at the GM meetings in Toronto? That is the paper that broke the Watergate conspiracy, right?

Posted by: zmega | November 10, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

true, but not the day after the break in. re-f'in-lax. it will happen, or it wont, in due time. go about your day. GMGM isnt going to tell the post or anyone else whats going on until it's done. as someone else pointed out, its not exactly business hours in russia right now.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 10, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Fox News is a farce. Does that mean everyone who works there is incompetent?

Again, a few of those guys work for the teams they are reporting for.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

@RichmondPhil

"However, I do like to make this point. Sloan and Alzner were both called up last year in the playoffs, but only one of them played. Something to think about."

Sloan has more proven toughness, and experience, so I was not too surprised to see him get the go last playoffs. I think he was filling in for one of our "tougher" Dman at the time, if I remember correctly, so perhaps his style of play better fit that spot? I think 2 dmen were brought up, because the team was not sure which spots needed to be filled. Glad Alzner was brought up, if for nothing more than to experience the atmosphere of NHL playoff hockey. There is no doubt that he will be in Caps future. And as I said before, being in Hershey is not necessarily a bad thing, its a place for growth and development...Its only a matter of time before Alzner and Carlson crack the lineup and stick in the NHL.

Posted by: The_Stanley_Caps | November 10, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Forsberg is exactly the type of player that every caps fan wants, think Dale Hunter with way more skill @ 36 years old than Hunter ever had. The big question is his foot, let's be real, anyone of these caps could be lost for season with one hit. At $1.5 million for the remainder of the season it's a risk we should all take happily. Btw, of he gets hurt LTIR people. What's the issue?

Posted by: JSchon | November 10, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

There will be plenty of cap room later as we have an overstock of tradable players.

You and I both know better than that, lyle. In order to make a trade happen, you have to have a trade partner who wants what you have and has something you want. Having players you'd like to trade is not enough to make anything happen.

Also, remember that the owners are still responsible for paying Nylander's salary. They may be unwilling to pay any extra salaries right now no matter what makes sense or how much cap room we've got.

Posted by: kittypawz | November 10, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

What about Andy Sutton? $3.5M cap number on NYI.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I think the Nylander situation is a big deal for the Caps' prospects this year, as I have been saying for some time. As a fan, I would like to know more - what the other teams think of Nylander, what offers are on the table, which offers are not taken and why, etc. Alternatively, maybe the name of the blog should be changed.

Posted by: zmega | November 10, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Other possible FA's up for grabs at the d-line?

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 2:21 PM

Lidstrom - but will stay for a year or retire a Wing.

Gonchar - been there, done that, no thanks.

Kubina - not very good, past his prime

Zidlicky - a consideration, but $3.5M annual

Foote - old, but gritty

Corvo - prob. not going to get help from the 'Canes.

Volchenkov - younger, solid, more affordable, may be the best option.

Ward - old, and again, past his prime

Girardi - not a fan, and the Rangers/Caps don't trade well...(i.e. Jagr)

Keith (RFA) - would cost the Caps a lot to get him from CHI, but he's a stud

Stuart (Mark) - another rising talent, but BOS will prob. resign his before the deadline.

Michalek (Zybnek, not Milan) - Good talent on PHO, he's also young...a good possibility seeing as how PHO is rebuilding nicely.

Paetsch - BUF may not part w/ him.

Lebda - w./ Lidstrom aging, DET will not let their better defensemen go anywhere.

Posted by: netminder71 | November 10, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl

The Isles need D with Martinek out, they aren't giving up any D.

Posted by: ThePat | November 10, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Forsberg is/was nothing like Hunter.

They were both defensively responsible..yes.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

This just in:

Nylander is on the plane to Russia but the plane is just circling on the runway...

Posted by: BearsWoooo | November 10, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Forsberg is/was nothing like Hunter.

They were both defensively responsible..yes.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 2:31 PM

Agree...poor comparison. Dale Hunter spent many years making the Caps a better team, and led them in the locker room too. I don't see Foppa becoming a leader, and not even close to the mentor that Feds was...

Damn...we miss Feds...he did the little things and he kept Semin straight. w/o him, Semin has really declined mentally.

Posted by: netminder71 | November 10, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Out of that list, I am only liking Foote and Volchenkov.

Kubina wouldn't be that bad, but definetely not the best either. ATL probably won't swap him to a division rival though. Don't see Stuart or Z. Michalak going anywhere.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

noooo andy sutton please

Posted by: _stevo | November 10, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Kittypawz

Theodore gone -$4.5
pothier gone -$2.5
morrisonn gone -$1.95

$9m off of the books for semin/backs/flash/steckel

please don't tell me that we are going to resign Theodore or pothier.

Posted by: JSchon | November 10, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Since this is ANOTHER Nylander thread - let's talk about Nylander without actually talking about Nylander....

Assuming he goes (good bet at this point I'd wager) what do we do with that sweet $4.35M in cap space?

Save it for a deadline aquisition? Bring up Alzner? What should we do?

Posted by: patrone | November 10, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

spend it on booze and chicks...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 10, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

===================================

For the fans, of course!

Posted by: JohnWWW | November 10, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Resign Theo - NO, oh god no.

Resign Pothier - Depending on his play and the needs of the team (maybe).

Don't forget that the Caps stuck w./ him through the whole almost 2 years of rehabbing from the concussion and eye/brain issues...he'd prob. stay with us at a discount out of loyalty.

Posted by: netminder71 | November 10, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

netminder71: stevo doesn't like him, but you left off Andy Sutton.

ThePat: I'm only talking for March 1st. He is $3.5M and UFA at year end. Isles would do that at the deadline, and we'll likely have the space. I don't watch him much, so I'm asking opinions.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Sutton's been hot recently, but usually he is a pylon. He's somewhat physical sure, but that guy is sooooooooooooooooo slow.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

@ tominfl

I know but they still need D-men now with Martinek out for the year. They are playing well they might not be out of anything in March. That being said I don't think very highly of him to me he makes 2 mill more than Juice and isnt as good.

Posted by: ThePat | November 10, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Money for Backs and the goalies. Maybe get rid of Semin and free up that 5 mil that he's not earning. :P

Posted by: Unleash_The_Caps | November 10, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Of guys that are current year players that will be UFA/RFA next year the annual salary hit is $23.4M

They are: Backstrom, Semin, BMo, Stecks, Fehr, Gordo, Laing, Flash, Pothier, ShaMo, Juice, Sloan, Schultz, Theo.

Will bring back at big raise: Backstrom, Semin, Flash

Will bring back at decent increase: Stecks, Laing, Juice, Sloan

Would bring back at same or discount: BMo, Fehr, Gordo, Pothier, ShaMo

Do not bring back: Theo, Schultz

Posted by: netminder71 | November 10, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

@kitty -Trust me we have an overstock of tradable players and there will be buyers.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | November 10, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I know you guys may not want to hear this, but if Varlamov is not ready for full-time next year, we may very well see Theo in a Caps jersey next year. I had high hopes for Varly as much as everyone else, but he hasn't wow'd me like I wanted him to do by now.

The year is still young though.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

@netminder

you don't think Forsberg made any of his teams better? You don't think he was a mentor to any of teammates? You don't think his career achievements would speak otherwise?

Maybe my example was a poor one, but there 10's of thousands of people that would disagree with you assessment of Foppa.

Posted by: JSchon | November 10, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Not high on Sutton, but thanks for pointing him out...it was a cursory list...to say the least...

Go to NHL numbers and run a free-agent 2010, by position report if anyone wants to see the whole list and the cap numbers currently.

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/freeagents.php

Posted by: netminder71 | November 10, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

2 to 4 years ago was there even 1% of the Caps chatter there is now??

Posted by: netminder71 | November 10, 2009 2:18 PM

A bunch of us were on here talking about how awesome Ovechkin is, but how the rest of the team could barely skate.

Posted by: Raber | November 10, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

@netminder

you don't think Forsberg made any of his teams better? You don't think he was a mentor to any of teammates? You don't think his career achievements would speak otherwise?

Maybe my example was a poor one, but there 10's of thousands of people that would disagree with you assessment of Foppa.

Posted by: JSchon | November 10, 2009 2:49 PM

@ JSchon;

I think Forsberg was one of the best players of the recent era. But we would not be spending cap space on "that" guy.

The current Forsberg is pulling a Brett Favre every year. The media would detract our kids from playing good hockey. It would be more of a hurt than help.

YES - awesome player that has HOF numbers and did so much for the guys around him.

YES - great leader.

But that was then. He is frail, breakable, and has not led a team in the most recent 3-4 years...

The Caps got Fedorov at the right time on the way down in his career.

Foppa wouldn't help, we'd only be burning ice time on him.

And I say this as a huge Forsberg fan over the years...and I'd say the same about signing Sundin now too...

The Caps have a great thing going...we're "almost" there...the one more puzzle piece will be on the blueline...think about it.

Posted by: netminder71 | November 10, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

To once again get in on the F-berg discussion, Foppa has always been a leader. A silent one, but a leader nonetheless. But when you are on a team with guys like Foote, Sakic, etc how much of a leader can you really be?

Foppa/Hunter seemed off to me because they simply did not exhibit the same style of play. They were both extremely gritty and solid defensively, but still..world's apart. I think Foppa can be a great leader, and a great mentor to Backstrom.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Well...the timing is perfect and I am sure GMGM planned it this way.

1. Get Nylander to waive his NMC
2. Let him go thru waiver wire/see if there is any interest.
3. Talk to other GMGM's at meeting to get a feel to who might want/need him.
4. Ship to KHL on loan...worst case scenerio

Posted by: Capsfannmiss | November 10, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

If we go into the bonus cushion this year, our cap for next year DROPS. That's my concern. There's also a question of the term desired by anyone we might sign.

Do we resign Theodore? Depends on how Varly does. Bluntly, Varly has NOT been solid enough to earn the #1 netminding position right now, and do you really want two rookies sharing the crease? Neuvirth's starting to get his groove - maybe he's one of those netminders who starts slow of a season. At the beginning of the season, I thought no way do we resign Theodore either, but right now I'm not so sure.

Do we resign Pothier? Who knows. How about ShaMo? If not, who do you replace him with? Alzner's cal hit is just $300K under ShaMo's, and ShaMo's been a nasty and hard-hitting presence this year.

Backstrom is likely to get a $4m raise or thereabouts. Semin will probably get another mil or so.

Also, just a thought here: what about BMo? he signed for one year at $1.5m, and right now, that is a STEAL. Next year, I doubt we'll be that lucky if we opt to keep him, and if he keeps up as he's going, some other team will pay him more than that.

Consider also who we replace these guys with. We still have to put warm bodies in their place if we let them go, and it'd be nice if they could play hockey. This business isn't that simple and isn't a matter of getting your favorite player. I think it's much more prudent to see what is out there, what makes sense, and consider whether Ted's willing to pay anyone else (he's still on the hook for Nylander's salary whether it counts against the cap or not).

Posted by: kittypawz | November 10, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

The Vikings are like 7-1 though.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

if theo keeps playing like he is now, he's probably going to get a multi year deal from someone, which means hasta la vista. if he starts to stink it up, then he will be gone.

if varly struggles, then maybe the caps try and convince him to sign a one year deal, but its doubtful. i dont see the team wanting him for more than one more year...something about being a contract year brings out the best in theo...surprisingly...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 10, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

FYI Chicago C Dave Bolland(3.375 mil cap hit) is having back surgery. My guess is he is out possibly for the year but no timetable yet. Maybe Nyles gets his wish and goes back to Chicago??? We take back Brett Sopel bc they'd need to clear cap space and then we waive him. Highly doubtful I know but would love for that to happen for Nylander.

Posted by: ThePat | November 10, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Why some of you ppl offering to part ways with ShaMo? Since last playoffs I like him much more =)

And if we are in a race for Volchenkov - what we can offer for Senators in a deal? I doubt if there is no interest in him outside DC. So probably he is the better option for us but only available in summer.

So I'm guessing it's not that easy to get physical stay@home defenseman we want just when we want him.

I would force ShaMo and maybe Juice to make some discount. This will be win-win for us in case of a trade or not.

Posted by: Rambutan_ru | November 10, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Don't cry for Uncle Ted...he's raking in the cash now that Vz Center sells out night after night...his wallet is not the concern.

GMGM's mindset and BB's ability to motivate the underachievers is the concern.


Posted by: netminder71 | November 10, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Giguere- "I'd rather retire than play back-up."


Damn...

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

You know, I don't know why they are playing this so close to the vest. NO one is interested in Nylander, otherwise he would not have cleared waivers. Even at half price no one wanted him.

So what is the point of blowing this up to be such a big deal? Just say, "hey he's not going to be a Capital" or "He's going to stay a Capital but his skates will never see the ice, he'll be in the press box nightly." Why the secrecy? It is not going to matter either way. GMGM is just making himself look like a fool trying to make this such a huge deal.

I have nothing against Nyls. He's just not a good fit for our system here. But this circus is ridiculous!

Posted by: lloydrj727 | November 10, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

And if we are in a race for Volchenkov - what we can offer for Senators in a deal? I doubt if there is no interest in him outside DC. So probably he is the better option for us but only available in summer.

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Volchenkov is a UFA (might be RFA) after this year. If Sens are still struggling, he will be traded at the deadline, not summer.

Also, I am willing to bet that there will be MUCH buzz around Anton come the deadline.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Spending money they don't even have yet....I love the way us Caps fans think!!

Posted by: PhilR | November 10, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

agree w. richmondphil - pool of avail. defensemen is weak this year. also takes longer to develop drafted d-men.

the stock will be high on Anton...price may be too high to get him at deadline...who knows.

Posted by: netminder71 | November 10, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

...NO one is interested in Nylander, otherwise he would not have cleared waivers. Even at half price no one wanted him...


Posted by: lloydrj727 | November 10, 2009 2:59 PM

Waivers is full price. re-entry is half price.

Posted by: Raber | November 10, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

agree w. richmondphil - pool of avail. defensemen is weak this year. also takes longer to develop drafted d-men.

the stock will be high on Anton...price may be too high to get him at deadline...who knows.

Posted by: netminder71 | November 10, 2009 3:07 PM

Pool of trade deadline d-men is always week. Good UFA d-men are hard to come by.

Posted by: Raber | November 10, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

it would be awesome if the caps could sign foppa and call up alzner

Posted by: gocaps01 | November 10, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

You know, I don't know why they are playing this so close to the vest. NO one is interested in Nylander, otherwise he would not have cleared waivers. Even at half price no one wanted him.

So what is the point of blowing this up to be such a big deal? Just say, "hey he's not going to be a Capital" or "He's going to stay a Capital but his skates will never see the ice, he'll be in the press box nightly." Why the secrecy? It is not going to matter either way. GMGM is just making himself look like a fool trying to make this such a huge deal.

I have nothing against Nyls. He's just not a good fit for our system here. But this circus is ridiculous!

Posted by: lloydrj727

Lloyd, the 1/2 price only comes up on re-entry waivers. waiving him OFF of the roster is a full price deal and teams would be on the hook for the whole thing.

Posted by: pkendrick | November 10, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Pool of trade deadline d-men is always week. Good UFA d-men are hard to come by.

Posted by: Raber | November 10, 2009 3:13 PM

*weak

Anyone look at the standings recently? The Pacific & Atlantic divisions are cleaning up.

Side-note: Have other people noticed how the NHL does the shady practice of not reporting OTL as part of a losing streak? They say Carolina's only lost 6 straight when they've in fact lost 12 straight...

Posted by: Raber | November 10, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse


Did it say losing streak or pointless streak?

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

In a related story, McPhee has not yet formally admitted the Washington even HAS an NHL franchise.

Posted by: tominfl1

@ Tominfl1,

I would officially like to join your "fanclub" (of posters who enjoy your posts, as many posters have admitted over time).

You crack me up every time! Keep up the great posts.

Go Caps!

Posted by: The_Stanley_Caps

Count me in as a member of tominfl1's fan club.

Just when we Caps fans get all gnarly and twisted and worse, tominfl1 soothes our disaffected and dissatisfied souls with his wry sense of humor blended with a touch of a calming fact or two, making us feel hopeful once more for our beloved Caps.

We should make a tominfl1 drink to celebrate the success of our lunchpail guys and Ovie's return sooner than his dry wit let on. (when will we ever learn not to take him seriously when listening to Ovie's interviews. He learned much from McPhee that first year in the U.S.)

Nyls news will just be the cherry on the top!

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | November 10, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Did it say losing streak or pointless streak?

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 3:39 PM

"Streak"

Actually, it says STL is on a 3 game losing streak when they're actually on a 5 game losing streak. They've lost their last 3 in OT. Now that I look at it again, it looks like it's just a bug.

Posted by: Raber | November 10, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

If the Caps decide to resign Theodore and Pothier, GMGM should have his head checked. Please be realistic folks. For the same reason you don't want to add salaries is the same reason we WILL not resign Theodore and Pothier, resign backstrom and semin.

You can't argue both scenarios.

@netminder

federov was not really worth $4m, he wasn't. He was great for us, did he win us a Stanley Cup? No.

Do I want Forsberg at $4m? No.

Forsberg at $1.5m is far better than federov at $4m.

Posted by: JSchon | November 10, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_KHL_season

The KHL's regular season ends on March 7th, so there is probably some question as to what happens to Nylander's Capitals cap hit if his Russian team fails to make the playoffs, or doesn't advance past the end of the NHL regular season on April 11th (KHL playoffs can end on April 27th). If the length of the "loan" to a Russian club is dependent on how long that team actually ends up playing, it could dictate that Nylander would be forced to return to the Capitals active roster after the conclusion of his new team's season. Not sure how this was handled when Darius Kasparaitis was "loaned" to a Russian team by the Rangers several years back (story here: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/rangers/2007/10/kasparaitis-headed-back-to-rus.html ). So, there is a chance that the Caps could still possibly be on the hook for a salary cap hit depending on how this plays out.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | November 10, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

JSchon - hopefully the Feds experience tempered fan's expectations and cooled GMGM and Ted down on how much they offer a vet who's main contributions are expected to be the intangibles.

Posted by: superpaqman | November 10, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

i don't know if forsberg qualifies - but the safest bet is an amateur tryout contract - ala stretch

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 10, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

In case this hasn't been mentioned yet, here's a funny post from Dan Steinberg's blog/discussion from earlier today:


"Stockholm, Swe: Could the Washington Redskins find a roster spot for Michael Nylander?
Dan Steinberg: The Redskins are already fine at spinning in circles without going anywhere, thanks."

Posted by: sj9096 | November 10, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

oh no, another afternoon of unsubstantiated reports on: 1)OV, 2)Semin, 3) Nylander and 4) Forsberg. is today really yesterday??????

Posted by: doughless | November 10, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

now about that gin & tonic............

Posted by: doughless | November 10, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

newbiecaps fan: Thanks! I'll be uncorking white wine tonight to go with fish. Red tomorrow for the home game!

MetalCapsFan: That is an interesting scenario. Maybe we can loan them our whole roster during the Olympics so they make the playoffs! Seriously, if this is true we might have to save some space for the end of the season. But, he'll still be gone over half at minimum.

doughless: Glad you got home early today! I'm not one for gin & tonic, but gin, 7-Up and lime juice I like. And my wife makes a Tom Collins with Bombay Sapphire that's outta this world! With lemon juice off the tree out front! Two of them and I start skating in circles!

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

is there anyone out there that really expected any significant update from GMGM today. he provides about as much coherent information as charlie brown's teacher - wa wa wa wa wa

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 10, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Okay, Campers, rise and shine, and don't forget your booties 'cause it's coooold out there today!

Posted by: HeShootsHeScores | November 10, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Pretty sure I'm going to have to re-post this again tomorrow (and a bit off topic), but I was thinking of heading up to Hershey for the Bears/Sens game on Jan. 2nd. Any insight as to close (more importantly- inexpensive) hotels? And are there bars etc. that are walking distance to the Giant Center and back to the hotel? Any info, links etc. would be great.

Posted by: Fro_ | November 10, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Regarding ^^^

Might be easier to email me, rather than clogging up the comments section:
Fro at gmail dot com.

Posted by: Fro_ | November 10, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Doug weight and kyle okposo are out for the isles tomorrow.

Hopefully a win at home is in order.

Roger

Posted by: numero94 | November 10, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Cold? It's still in the 80s. I have th a/c on yet!

You know, I'm noticing that my wine collection is just like the Caps roster - different wines for diff roles at all diff prices!

I have Quintin Laing wines at $5.99 that are great quaffers. I have Brendan Morrison wines at $10 bucks that taste like $20. I have Nicky Backstrom wines that weren't so much now but have great aging potential! Even Micheal Nylander wines that cost a bunch but just don't fit in with any particular food. And best of all the Alex Ovechkin wines! They cost a fortune and you can only afford one or two but they have the power and structure to serve with anything!

My wife is 15 mins late. I got cod on the way home and I am hungry. I picked a Spanish Verdejo (white) to pair. (Yes, the food and wine must compliment like ShaMo and Green.) After one glass, it's a Detroit Red Wing wine (disappointing so far, but likely to taste better later).

Cheers!

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Ok- aaaaaaaaand I forgot I deleted that old email account. Froosh1979 at Gmail dot com. I'll stop now.

Posted by: Fro_ | November 10, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm with doughless--a little gin&tonic is the perfect drink and I prefer Bombay Sapphire above all other gins.

Kittypawz--I'm ordering my copy of Gabby's book now. Hope he gives you a kickback because your discussion of his system a few threads back was fabulous.

Capt_Kirk--very funny indeed--GMGM's "story" is as circular as Nylander's skating--but I do hope there is a resolution soon for EVERYONE's sake. Not that anyone will ever hear the full story. And I don't think wikipedia is going to the place to get that story.

Sinking--you might want to get to know some of the posters before you start to flame them. You will never win an argument with richmondphil with your ranting--he really does know what he's talking about. And he can ALWAYS back up his argument. If you want to get into a back and forth with him, which many other knowledgeable posters do, then you had better get your facts straight first. You don't have to agree with richmondphil but you could certainly learn something from his posts.

And seriously dude that crack about not doing apologies like girls--you really need to grow up. Many of us don't back down either.

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | November 10, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Darius Kasparaitis, there's a name I've not heard in years... I'll take that SOB if he can still play

Posted by: joek443 | November 10, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Someone mentioned holding on to Nyls cap hit of $4.8m if we offloaded him. I think I'm right in thinking we wouldn't actually get the full amount as relief. Because he's been on the roster for a period of time the cap relief is lowered to reflect that.

Also, I mentioned this first thing this morning and someone else has said it too but people (including Tarik - sorry dude) are still getting it wrong - Minsk is not in Russia. Its the capital of Belarus.

Imagine a player from Belarus was being shipped to the Caps and their media was reporting he was off to Canada.

Posted by: DaveUKCapsFan | November 10, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Yeah tominfl1 you are right about that Alex Ovechkin wine. Personally I have had it only a few times in my life, because as you say it does cost a fortune. Aren't we Caps fans lucky to have the Ovechkin wine. It is so worth the money!

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | November 10, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

DaveUK: Several of us have posted that Nyles has already burned up about $1M in cap dollars. He could be replaced in many diff ways. Here are a few scenarios:

1) A player or players making his exact salary or close replace him on the roster immediately. We would then stay right near the cap all year.
2) Nobody replaces Nylander essentially (you can have 22 or 23 active) until say March 1st. You would save 4.875 x approx 57% (the % of the total season bewteen now and March 1st) = like $2.7M in underrun. Then, on March 1st, with 20% of the season left, you can add contracts worth $13.5M at the start of the season ($2.7/.2). Essentially you could add two Prongers at last year's rate.
3) You could add back a Forsberg at $1.5M till the end of the season and that would leave you about 1.2/.2 or you could add $6M in contracts at the deadline.

Naturally there are a million potential in betweens.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Tom, I'm sure it was a post from you that was stuck in my head about the cap relief not being the full amount. Just thought I'd clarify as some regular posters were talking about what to do with the full amount. Cheers.

Posted by: DaveUKCapsFan | November 10, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

newbiecapsfan07/tominfl1:
i prefer beer (laing, steckel, bradley, laich, erskine, etc) over wine - even schultz but not schlitz

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 10, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Darius Kasparaitis, there's a name I've not heard in years... I'll take that SOB if he can still play

Posted by: joek443 | November 10, 2009 5:47 PM |

Pretty sure he couldn't play even when he had a contract, hah.

Anyone remember those old Cap ads or whatever? "Don't catch kasparitus."

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

Found this one amusing
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/43645

Posted by: Fro_ | November 10, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

@doughless

On all the news of today as compared to yesterday.

1) While the Nylander situation is not finalized, the rumors are more substantive.

2) Semin has been proven to be injured. He was wearing a brace on his wrist at practice. (His wrist injury is not the only injury he has at the moment.)

3) Ovi seems better but not yet ready to play tomorrow.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 10, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

As we all probably heard, yesterday was the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall. That, and perestroika, set into motion a lot of things. The reuniting of Germany, Poland throwing off their communist government, Czechoslovakia throwing off their communist government, same with Romania and Hungary. Various republics, like the Ukraine, Belorus, Azerbajan, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia broke away from the Soviet Union. With that, everyone learned that certain cities that everyone thought were Russian cities, turn out not to be Russian after all. Minsk is in Belorus and Kiev is in the Ukraine. (Belorus and the Ukraine had been under Russian control even during the days of the Tsars.) BTW, in the 19th century, much of Poland was under Russian control.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 10, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

@Fro


That's funny. The guy even endorses it himself, look at his "official" site.

http://www.dariuskasparaitis.com/

He's selling his NY Condo!

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1

Enjoy your posts on wines. I'm not as knowledgable in that department. While I don't drink wine, I do prefer red wine to white, on the whole. (But I usually prefer chicken to beef. Beef is essentially the only red meat I like at all. Never liked ham and as an adult, I've liked pork less.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 10, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

@kittypaws

LOL on your cats preventing you from reading. I plan to read Boudreau's book soon (after I finish reading my current one, a memoir on a Star Trek figure.)

Too bad I wasn't able to get my copy autographed at Kettler. I had already signed my husband & I go to a sports collector show.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 10, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

#joek443

Kasparitis. A nice Lithuanian name. Some of them almost sound like diseases. (At least the ones that end in -itis.) Okay, I'd better stop making fun of Lithuanian names.

I wonder how close the Lithuanian language is to the Latvian language; i.e. the language of Art Irbe and Mike Knuble's parents. Wonder if Knuble learned any Latvian when he took his mother there two years ago.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 10, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure Mario Lemieux thought Kasparitis was a disease when the Isles upset them in the 93 playoffs and stopped them from winning 3 straight Cups.

Posted by: joek443 | November 10, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

The one plus side of Kaspar; his devastating hits. Mario and Eric did not like catching Kaspar-itis.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

not that I wasn't glad to see the Pens get bounced off from the playoffs that year but as things turned out had the Pens made the finals that year, it would have been Greztky's Kings vs. Mario's Pens...

it would have been great to see

Posted by: joek443 | November 10, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Capt_Kirk--I like beer too tho' I go for that fancy stuff on tap at Verizon. Definitely prefer Schultz over Schlitz. I pretty much like just about anything except for vodka--started drinking gin instead. But I like both bourbon and scotch. Go figure. We traveled through Scotland about a decade ago and really developed a taste for a fine scotch. But some things--like a hockey game--call for beer. A fine dinner is when I like wine.

I like it when Capsland is a happy place. Hope we don't fall into any dark matter--I like the light. May all trades/loans happen and the Caps keep playing well and with discipline both with and without Ovie!

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | November 10, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Kind of fitting that Kaspar gets brought up in light of the Nyls debacle. Kaspar was "loaned" to Europe as well a few years back.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

$2.595 mil? Not too bad. And I'd consider it if I didn't have this $400 car payment handcuffing me. I don't want to live paycheck to paycheck, just to be on the east side.

Seriously though, for $2.595 mil I expected it to look a lot cooler. Picturing Tom Hanks' apt in Big.

Posted by: Fro_ | November 10, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

@joek44

you sure about that? I'm not sure if the Pens would have survived the Habs that year.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Picturing Tom Hanks' apt in Big.
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Haha

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Scratch that I just re-read your comment.

Would have been nice to see, but no teams were beating the Habs that year, it seemed.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

of all the Russian/Soviet defensemen that came to the NHL during the 90's, I thought Kasparitis and Konstantinov were the most NHL/north american type blue-liners

Posted by: joek443 | November 10, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

CapsFan75: Sounds like you have lots of foods that I eat off your list. Me, I'll give most anything a try and find most foods satisfying. Tonight we had swiss cheese squares and jalapeno poppers for appetizer and then broiled cod with string beans and red potatoes. This with 2008 Shaya Verdejo. The wine at $12 isn't quite my preference (a bit lemony).

Don't get me started on Russian history. Speaking of Kiev, I think it was 1943 when the Soviet Army surrounded and captured 650,000 Nazi soldiers of the wehrmacht in the Kiev Pocket.

I think we can look back at the Berlin Wall anniversary from a hockey perspective. Mogilny was if I recall one of the first defectors, playing in a tournament and then slipping out of his hotel to a waiting limo to wisk him to freedom like in a James Bond movie. Feds also was one of those early defectors along with the defenseman for New Jersey (Fetisov?).

Finally, the NHL had to revise some rules because I think we had a Calder Cup winner who was near thirty but it was his first year in the NHL. So now it has to be your first year plus there's an age limit.

In honor the Wall falling, I will grab the vodka bottle out of the freezer and mix with cranberry juice and OJ.

One day Gorbachev wil be recognized for how much he really helped mankind. Cheers, Gorby!

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

@ richmondphil

not sure if the Pens would have beaten Roy and LeClair's Habs that year easily but had they survived the game 7 against the Isles that year, I think they would have beaten them... the Habs won so many games in OT that year that it was unreal but the Pens were the better team I think

Posted by: joek443 | November 10, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I love Chicken Kiev. I wish the made Pork Kiev. Do they?

Posted by: JSchon | November 10, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Finally, the NHL had to revise some rules because I think we had a Calder Cup winner who was near thirty but it was his first year in the NHL. So now it has to be your first year plus there's an age limit.

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Ah...Sergei Makarov. Wasn't with us though, was with the Flames or Sharks I think.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

tominfl1--you must have a cast iron stomach. Hope you enjoy your vodka cocktail and jalapeno poppers.

The threads discussing how to spend or not spend the money freed by trading/loaning Nyls have been most entertaining to read. Reminds me of how we here in our humble abode can plan on spending a pot of money six different ways. But getting it into savings first is essential. I will be waiting with bated breathe to see what happens.

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | November 10, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

not sure if the Pens would have beaten Roy and LeClair's Habs that year easily but had they survived the game 7 against the Isles that year, I think they would have beaten them... the Habs won so many games in OT that year that it was unreal but the Pens were the better team I think

Posted by: joek443 | November 10, 2009 7:07 PM |

Tough call, but that was one of Roy's golden moments. Don't know if anything could mess with that.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Phil: Off memory, I think the Habs won like 10 of 16 in that Cup run in overtime.

What a year was in playoffs - 1993. Caps go down 3-1 to underdog Islanders then win Game 5 as Iafrate nets hat trick. Anyone else there? They had handed out those clappers and with hat trick fans tossed hundreds of clappers on the ice. Beaupre and the Isles goalie were both hiding back under their nets to avoid being struck by flying clappers. The Game 6 we get Hunter and the Turgeon incident and out go the Caps. The I think Isles beat Pens in Round 2. I remember we were in Ocean City for Mother's Day weekend, watching on the TV. Habs then took out the Isles, no? As for Kings, they were no way a top seed out West. Somebody must have been bounced. I think they beat the Leafs and Dougie Gilmour in the semis, Toronto being in the West until maybe Quebec moved to Colorado. Detroit was probably also a favorite in 93. The Blues made the playoffs every year but never won (take note if you are all O and no D). I'll bet the Flames too were up there, but can't say for sure.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

@Capt_Kirk_in_AZ

Read the post about your birthday arriving (and you turning 50). Makes you a Scorpio (like my sister). And I know of two other Scorpios who turned 50 at the tail end of October: my sister in law and Mike Gartner.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 10, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

JSchon: My wife says they don't make pork kiev. She says you can, though. She says chicken kiev has green onions, parsley, thyme and butter. She just said, "One of the few good Russian dishes."

My wife can cook anything. And, exceptionally well. If she were a hockey player, she would have been Fedorov, working both ends of the kitchen and in all manpower situations.

I agre w/ you though - she's still not worth $4M/year.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

yeah except for the Caps getting bounced off by the Isles yet again in the playoffs, 93 was a pretty good year for hockey... I think it was the year that the NHL came back to ESPN after several years of being in the wilderness known as sportschannel america.

Posted by: joek443 | November 10, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

To answer a previous question, I belive lending nyls to Russia is the equivalent of sending him to the minors for cap purposes. Just because the khl season end earlier than the NHL doesn't mean he goes back on our cap at that point. Theoretically the caps could call him back and then he would be a cap hit again...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 10, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

CapsFan75: I turn 52 on the 24th. I will celebrate with food and drink, like each and every other day. I can't remember if Caps play that day, but it's always nice to have a hockey game on the b-day. I think it was 11/24/93 and all 5 of us went to see Caps and Blues. I believe it was Randy Burridge skating across the center of the ice and a Blues player flattened him with a flagrant elbow for a 5-minute major. It was a nasty, nasty hit and Randy was down for awhile. He was a good player and he could dent the twine as Locker says.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

It amazes me that no team claimed Nylander even at half his salary and cap hit. The word on this guy is that his NHL days are done. I believe he can even be cut next year (in July). His name is mud nowadays. I hope some Russian team does pick him up (and yes I know that Minsk is in Belorussia, but for all sakes it is a puppet state to Putin). I look forward to the Caps sans Nylander's contract.

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS | November 10, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

It amazes me that no team claimed Nylander even at half his salary and cap hit. The word on this guy is that his NHL days are done. I believe he can even be cut next year (in July). His name is mud nowadays. I hope some Russian team does pick him up (and yes I know that Minsk is in Belorussia, but for all sakes it is a puppet state to Putin). I look forward to the Caps sans Nylander's contract.

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS | November 10, 2009 7:34 PM |

Nylander is still a capable NHL player. But, he was never put on re-entry waivers; ie at half his hit. He was only waived, and if a team picked him up then, it would've been his whole hit.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

I still think they should call that team the Minsk Coats.

And all this talk of Belrussia (White Russia) reminds me of Dr Zhivago. That story was more depressing than the Caps playoff run of 1993!

At least when the Caps lost to the Islanders, they didn't all die.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1

Maybe Minsk Cats, in honor of Chekov on Star Trek who referred to the Minsk Cat (instead of the Cheshire cat)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 10, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1 & @JSchon

Enjoy Checkin Kiev (even if Kiev is not "technically" in Russia but the Ukraine). BTW, they served it at a Star Trek convention banquet I once attended. Of course, the Guest of Honor at that convention was the one who played Chekov.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 10, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1 & @JSchon

Enjoy Chickin Kiev (even if Kiev is not "technically" in Russia but the Ukraine). BTW, they served it at a Star Trek convention banquet I once attended. Of course, the Guest of Honor at that convention was the one who played Chekov.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 10, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Well Gang, I guess my typing skills leave a lot to be desired. Couldn't type "chicken". That's what happens when I have Russians like Ovechkin and Chekov on the brain.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 10, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1

You're the true gourmet. My husband also likes just about any food.

Enjoy your birthday. (I don't get hockey for my birthday. My only gifts of anything hocney related concern free agent signings, like Knuble whose birthday is two days after mine. But at least I get baseball.)

On drinks, I hear that the Ovechkin consists of Vodka, Red Bull, and grenadine.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 10, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1

The St. Louis Blues were my favorite team until the Caps came along. Also never have won a Stanley Cup. (I read your post of the 1993 Blues with all O and no D.)

Time for the Caps to end that drought.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 10, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

For everyone (including myself) who is unable to figure out how NHL discipline czar Colin Campbell comes to his seemingly inconsistent supplementary discipline decisions, there is now an easy to understand flow chart which shows there is, indeed, a method to his madness. To wit:

http://www.downgoesbrown.com/2009/11/nhl-suspensions.html

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | November 10, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Any chance that someone here could explain to me how this (or if this) eases the Caps salary cap issues?

My request: Laymans (read: dumbed down) terms...

Posted by: TimDz | November 10, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

On drinks, I hear that the Ovechkin consists of Vodka, Red Bull, and grenadine.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 10, 2009 8:10 PM |

If he were a real Russian he'd drink it neat with a glass of OJ. (as a separate, but equal, part of the drink, not a chaser)

Then again, he IS Russian, while I am not. :)

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Any chance that someone here could explain to me how this (or if this) eases the Caps salary cap issues?

My request: Laymans (read: dumbed down) terms...

Posted by: TimDz | November 10, 2009 8:31 PM |

If Nyls gets loaned to a KHL team, his salary is taken off the cap hit. Not the salary he has already earned, mind you, just the remainder.

However, the Caps still would need to work out how his salary gets paid. An agreement between the Caps and the KHL club. This would not affect the cap though.

This is all spelled out in more technical/specific details in tom's, kitty's, and the likes posts.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl--you have become quite popular. I think we all need to make a road trip to Florida to partake of your fine dining and wine cellar.
@capsfan75--that sounds like a wicked Ovie drink. It's the kick of the Red Bull that intrigues me--maybe like one of his slap shots.
Just read on one of the Japers links how Ovie's injury has been reported and discussed and worried about here in DC far outside the hockey world. Hockey in DC has come a long way. The article even discussed how Ovie has drawn in so many fans--perhaps dissatisfied Skins fans. Close friend of mine who has adored the Skims for over 20 years even asked this evening about Ovie's injury and said wasn't it great that the Caps had such a strong win the other day. She doesn't watch hockey--not yet anyway!

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | November 10, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

with keeping in tradition when the caps get rid of someone and they end up having the best part of there career away from the caps,watch nyles go and score 30 goals for whomever he goes to.I wish him luck but i also wish him away from all this drama.GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: gratefuldid | November 10, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

This is all spelled out in more technical/specific details in tom's, kitty's, and the likes posts.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 8:37 PM
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@ richmondphil: technical/specific= bad and confusing...

Your explanation: concise and playing to my need to be spoken to in aforementioned "dumbed down" terms...

Next round's on me...Vodka, Red Bull, and grenadine for everyone...

Posted by: TimDz | November 10, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Yes, but I just wanted to give credit where credit was due.

I would akin it to how Kasparaitis(mentioned above...for some weird reason) was "loaned" to Europe a few years ago.

(Yeah, I know I spell it wrong every time. Lets just call him Kaspar.)

Posted by: richmondphil | November 10, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

TimDz:

1) dumbed down to the max (Christina Applegate on Married w/Children): What?

2) dumbed down almost to the max (Cheech & Chong) - when the players on your active, NHL roster, dude, make less, man, you have more for the rest of us. Party on, man!

3) dumbed down not quite so much (John Belushi) - we had 23 dudes making $57M and now we got 22 dudes making $52M. Who's with me?

2A) The 23rd dude made $4.875 for part of the season.

2a1) (for tha anal) - 40/193rds of the season

3) dumbed down medium (Captain Kirk, the real one): "Scotty, if you don't get me some cap room, you're fired." "I dunno, Cap'n, I can always jettison Nylander." "Put him in the photon torpedo tube, Scotty, and fire him at the Klingons." Mr. Spock: "Captain, might I remind you, a recent Star Fleet GIDEP alert warns us that the Nylander torpedo, when fired from a starship, often leaves the torpedo tube only to move in circles." Kirk (pounds arm of command chair): "Dammit all! What do I need to do to get RID of that torpedo?! Bones?" McCoy: "I'm a doctor, Jim, not a capologist."

4) Dumbed down a little. The Caps were at 100% of the cap for 20% of the season. 80% of the season remains. If they are now at 90% of the cap for the next 60% of the season, it would be like being at 92.5% of the cap for 80% of the season and they would have 130% for the last 20% to average 100% for all 100% of the season.

5) Einsteinian version. After a bottle of wine and a tall vodka cocktail, I no longer possess that capability.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

tominfl

you had me at yes, you can make pork kiev

Posted by: JSchon | November 10, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

@ tominfl1: I was with you until #4....then my head exploded...

Posted by: TimDz | November 10, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Capsyoungguns: Anyone who comes down to Orlando is welcome to stop by. Let us know, wife can cook to order. I have 100 bottles of wine.

Don't know though how much longer in the Sunshine State. I'm supposed to hear from the recruiters for an opening in Palmdale, CA. (Hint, hint: I'd take up a lot more cap space. Hint, hint: this is a place nicknamed after a smelly mammal.) I'm thinking 50/50 I'm outta here sometime in January.

Tom's Bar & Grill though would then be open in the desert NE of LA. Dude.

I've been here 14 years and I would miss the place. The world is shrinking though and it isn't like the 1800's when you left your family behind - never to hear from then again - and went to the New World.

Sometimes, for a brief period, I am serious. The truth is I would do this for my family. Don't tell them - I don't want them to think I've become soft-hearted. My grown children in their 20s, still living with us, and my wife, really want to go. I can be happy there because I love the SW. And hockey will be on TV just the same.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Hint, hint: this is a place nicknamed after a smelly mammal
Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 9:20 PM
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Your moving in with Rosie O'Donnell?

Posted by: TimDz | November 10, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

@gratefuldid

Nyls is now getting up there in years so I doubt if he'll suddenly become a 30 goal scorer.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 10, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1

Of course, the question is ---- when in January will you be gone? Before or after the time the Caps play there?

(I'll have to get my act together to get my flight reservations for Fla.) I had gotten my hockey tickets already. Now the rest of the trip.

I also wonder if they'll do the annual Caps dads trip that they do every year for the Florida road trip.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 10, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

By the way, everyone. The Pens were dumped today -- by the Bruins. Crosby a minus 2.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 10, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Orprick has less than 3 minutes of ice for the Pens. Is he injured now?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 10, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

JSchon: If you stop by, she will make, most definitely, pork kiev. I'm curious now how it tastes, and it will go great, I'm certain, with Kim Crawford 2008 sauvignon blanc. As you would imagine, we have several pork loins in the freezer, ready to go.

Just don't tell her, please, that I said she's not worth a cap hit of $4M. I'm trying to sign her to one of those sneaky, long-term deals, like w/Hossa, with a lower cap hit when she's old and in dentures.

TimDz: OK. I was just thinking, I forgot to put the Three Stooges version...

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Orpick went out early. Boston won 3 - 0.

Posted by: gonchpup | November 10, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

@gonchpup

Yes, I noticed that Orpik's TOI was less than 3 minutes.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 10, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I especially loved Boston's empty-netter while the Pens were on the PP at the end of the game. Even Bill McCreary couldn't save them. Ha ha ha!

Posted by: wocoliz | November 10, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Your moving in with Rosie O'Donnell?

Posted by: TimDz | November 10, 2009 9:28 PM

You got me on that one.

CapsFan75: They are supposed to call this week or early next to schedule fly out for interview. Start date is highly speculative. I doubt starting in mid-Dec because right away you have Christmas break. I am looking at calendar and thinking a logical start date out there is 11 Jan, so I would indeed miss that trip. But, it's all speculative. You make your plans based on your needs. Cue Doris Day: "Whatever will be, will be."

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

@gratefuldid

That is my fear if the Caps get rid of either Semin, Green, or Schultz. That they'll come back to haunt us later.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 10, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

I hope our boys get well. (Ovi, Semin, Green, Schultz, Boyd Gordon) Sloan with a minor injury.

Among our guys, I assume that Green will be back and that Semin will play tomorrow. (Sloan too.) The others .... well, we know they'll be out.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 10, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

THIS JUST IN :

Nyls called Favre and neither can decide if Nyls is going to get on the plane or not!!!!!

Posted by: FishCaps | November 10, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat

Are you secretly Pat LaFontaine or Pat Flatley? You always seem to want to dump the Capitals players on the Islanders.

The Islanders will have little to no interest in any of the Capitals defensemen. They have a blue chip prospect in Calvin De Haan. Also, I figure though the Islanders are hanging in there, I've also got to figure at some point soon someone out of Boston, Ottawa, and/or Montreal might start to play decent hockey again. I'd love to see the Islanders make the play offs, but I'm not getting my hopes up yet. They have a lot of weaknesses.

That being said, my family will be at the game tomorrow. I'm torn as I split loyalty to both teams. The missing story in all the doom and gloom of Caps blogger attitude is that if the Caps win tomorrow, then they stand alone as #1 in the eastern conference. So, I'll be hoping for another 3 point game with the Caps on top.

Posted by: lornemyoung | November 10, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I don't want to dump anyone on the islanders. They are just a team with cap space and a need for defenceman. Could care less who we'd make a trade with if it happened anytime soon bc u doubt anything more than picks would be coming back from any team. I doubt we add a player via trade until mid January at the earliest

Posted by: ThePat | November 10, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

lornemyoung: Well, I just called out to Vegas and put $500K at 4 to 1 odds on the Caps not only not covering the spread vs Isles, but losing outright.

I did this because it is wholly inconceiveable for a team with such lousy goaltending, with such rotten glove hand and rebound control; and such crappy defensive play, where every defenseman including the Norris runner-up is hardly fit for duty in Hershey, much less DC; and such lazy and injury-prone forwards, none of whom backcheck or play any defense; and such a stupid GM, who can only draft a decent player when he gets the first overall pick handed to him by luck; and such a meddling owner - could possibly ever be first in the conference.

Riches, I will have - beyond my wildest dreams.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Orpik hurt his ribs thankfully may be out for a while.

Posted by: zcxnissan | November 10, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

The Islanders don't need anything if they aren't going to contend though. Also, Charles Wang is personally losing multiple millions of dollars as the arena deal circles around the bowl, so while the Isles have Cap space, they aren't likely to spend. They are sticking to a plan. The D is developing. De Haan and Ness are on the way. Streit is a stud defensemen. Hillen and Gervais are both 25 or younger. Harmonic, Katic, and Donovan have potential. The Isles have been focusing on defense in the draft for a several seasons now.

The one D-man I think would strive on the Island as he is so under appreciated around here though is the big double nickel. I'd take 55 on the Island in a heartbeat. Keep knocking him down and run him right out of town and watch him become a star elsewhere.

That all being said, go Caps tomorrow. Take #1 in the east. It is there for the taking.

Posted by: lornemyoung | November 10, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

also, Tom in Florida cracks me up.

Anyone know if the Caps got anything special for veterans tomorrow?

Posted by: lornemyoung | November 10, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully a win!

Posted by: dfe1 | November 10, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know if the Caps got anything special for veterans tomorrow?

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I know that the past couple of games, they have been asking fans to send in pictures for a special video montage they are putting together, I am assuming to be shown at the game tonight. Other then that, and reserving a section for Vets, I am not sure what else they may have planned for tonight. But I agree with dfe1, a win would be nice too!

Go Caps!

Posted by: The_Stanley_Caps | November 11, 2009 6:37 AM | Report abuse

Re Veterans Day - as The_Stanley_Cup stated, the Caps have asked for photos for a montage. Also,Courage caps and t-shirts go on sale today with proceeds to benefit the USO. The Caps website has a video clip of Clark, Pothier, Knuble, and Steckle helping to assemble gift packs for the troops so they might show that video at the game. The written article accompanying the video also mentioned that the USO-Metro hospital services team brought the wounded warriors “Sled Dogs” team from Walter Reed Army Medical Center and the National Naval Medical Center to Kettler where they scrimmaged on the ice after the Capitals’ practice. The Caps players met and took pictures with the wounded warriors. Maybe they will show a video of that event at the game.

Posted by: NovaCath | November 11, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Pierre LeBruns ESPN article about GM meetings mentions several teams interested in Forsberg but Caps are not mentioned...

Posted by: jeets | November 11, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Concerning cap space should something happen with the Nylander situation:

Having cap space is a luxury. It's a good thing. With the injuries to Green and Schultz you bring up Alzner and Carlson. Is Alzner the answer to the Caps defensive issues? Perhaps not, but it gives you the opportunity to see what you have and how he has developed. And, it allows you to leave Sload at LW on the 4th line. When the 4th line is scoring and not getting scored upon you don't want to mess with that. Chemistry is a funny thing. Should Green be able to play tonight as is projected you still bring up Alzner.

Later at the trade deadline having cap space allows you to be able to aquire a player or players that may put you over the top. The right players can make the difference between second round and out and the finals.

As far as which players you re-sign and which you let go, let the season play out and the answers will probably become more apparent.

I want to see the Caps win tonight and be in first place in the conference. Perhaps I'm selfish, but I want to look at the conference standings and see Washington at the top.

Let's go Caps!

Posted by: WVCapsFan | November 11, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

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