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Nylander update

Here's an update from Slava Malamud of Russia's Sport-Express on the Michael Nylander situation:

The ever-changing Michael Nylander-to-the-KHL story may or may not be nearing its conclusion, with more information leaking out by the day. As Tarik reported yesterday, CSKA Moscow (better known in the West as Central Red Army in the olden days) has joined the Belarusian team Dinamo Minsk in its pursuit of the Capitals forward. Today's issue of Sport-Express informs that the talks were "nearing completion" and a deal could be signed very soon. It is however, far from certain, as indicated by some new reports from Russia about the ongoing negotiations.
According to a source close to CSKA, the two sides had almost agreed on a deal - until the Moscow club balked at one of the clauses proposed by Nylander's agent. The clause, the source tells us, was Nylander's ability to walk away to another team in the middle of the current season should he get a more lucrative offer. CSKA is reportedly dead set against it and insists on a standard binding contract through the end of the 2009-2010 season. The ball, according to the source, is now in Nylander's court and things seem to hinge whether he agrees to throw the clause out or not.
If true, such a clause would allow Nylander to effectively use CSKA to shop himself around to a better (and/or richer) KHL squad. It has, of course, been confirmed that Nylander's agent had already approached two such teams (Dynamo Moscow and Lokomotiv Yaroslavl) but both showed only lukewarm interest due to Michael's lack of playing time lately. CSKA Moscow, while a legendary team from the Soviet times, is not exactly one of the KHL's monied elite.
Stay tuned as the negotiations continue.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  November 13, 2009; 4:09 PM ET
 
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Thanks for the update. Will this drama never end? *sigh*

Posted by: wocoliz | November 13, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

ugh...this is painfully brutal...I've got nothing else to say

Posted by: capfanforsure | November 13, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

wow, nylander wants to be able to bail on the club for a better offer? i thought his deal was his deal...he gets paid his $5M salary (some or all of it coming from the caps). is he angling for more cash? really? performance bonuses...

i guess it doesnt hurt to ask, but that seems like a pretty ba11sy move. hope he realizes in the long run that actually playing the game will be more lucrative than sitting in the caps press box....

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 13, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

The clause, the source tells us, was Nylander's ability to walk away to another team in the middle of the current season should he get a more lucrative offer

i would think it could only be more lucrative for the caps. i'm sure the parties can come to any agreement they want - but the caps are loaning nyls out - they pay him his 5.5m this year and get whatever they can for him. it seems that any additional money from another team would go to the caps to cover his salary.
if the payment for his services were to be more than 5.5m (US) then i could see that going to nyls.
if any team (in any league) were willing to pay more than his current salary - you would think he'd have been gone long ago.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 13, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

AAARRRGGHHH!!!!!!!

Posted by: zmega | November 13, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I don't want what's left of Nylander's career ruined, and I wish him well wherever he ends up, but I'm SO ready for this issue to be resolved so we can get on with making the most of the players we have that we WANT to play.

I really hope that whatever happens, 8.5 can stay up--I love the spark he's brought to the team and, being of smaller than average stature myself, I always root especially hard for smaller players (except Martin St. Louis).

I'm so ready for the game tonight. GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: wocoliz | November 13, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

This is very misleading. Would you join a team that has been known to reneg and not pay their players according to their signed contract? Yeah, I am sure that none of us would. There's always two sides of the coin.
I am sure that there is a good and valid reason why Nylander would want some safety net.

Posted by: atybat | November 13, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

@atybat - If Russia has any kind of normal contract law, if the team fails to pay according to the contract then the contract is breached. Presumably Nylander would be free to play elsewhere at that point. I can't imagine he would have to keep playing for a team that fails to pay him - sounds like slavery to me.
Of course, I am not exactly an expert on Russian law. But I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express.

Posted by: zmega | November 13, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

To be a little more clear. Let's say that the Red Army is signing him for $2.5 M (the Caps are paying him the other $3.0M). Comes the end of the season, the Red Army has paid Nylander only $1.8M out of his contract and they are not willing to pay him more (they have a history of doing this). Nylander would have little recourse recuperating the left over. The Caps would surely not be responsible.
I am sure that Nylander wants to be paid is agreed salary and play hockey, nothing more and nothing less.

Posted by: atybat | November 13, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

aybat, i didnt read it that way. sounds like nyls wants the option to negotiate with another KHL team. i'm guessing if the team he signs with doesnt pay him then he's free to sign elsewhere as that team has breached their contract. not sure how russian law works. besides, i'm guessing that the caps will be paying most of his salary anyway. if the KHL team doesnt pay him, i'm sure the caps will be on the hook for it.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 13, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

For all the Nylander defenders out there - if this doesn't convince you that Circles is the stuck pig, I don't know what would. He's old and lost a step (or three) and yet $5 million -- which is far more than he should be making -- isn't enough for him?

Posted by: ralph4100 | November 13, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

atybat, again i'm no expert, but nyls contract is with the caps. the caps and his khl team have an agreement to take on some or all of his salary. i'm going to guess that if the khl teaam doesnt pay him, the caps will. could also be that he gets paid by the caps and the khl would have to reimburse the caps...not sure...details...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 13, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

@zmega
Russian business is run, let's just say, very differently than what we deem customary here. I know of two guys who played over there and came back without having been paid what they were under contract for. Both of them were warned not to talk about it. One of them is my cousin (in case you were going to ask). If I was a North American, I would not go to Russia to play hockey, I would go to Switzerland, Germany or Sweden. I played 10 years in Switzerland and Germany; made good money, had a great place for my kids to be in school; I had car and house provided, felt safe, etc...

Posted by: atybat | November 13, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

There's a team named Lokomotiv Yaroslavl and I'm just learning this now? Best. Name. Ever. Googling that now.

Posted by: cao091402 | November 13, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

At some point, isn't the team going to be faced with the same problem they faced with Aucoin?

If they keep Perrault up, he'll eventually hit the point where he'd need to clear waivers if sent down.

Then again, maybe that's not as big of a deal of Nylander's roster spot is freed up.

Posted by: JohninMpls | November 13, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

@dcsportsfan1
I don't think you are correct. The Caps would be responsible only for the part that the Russian doesn't agree with. The Caps would not be responsible for the contract with the russian team. It was that way with Kasparaitus.
A solution could be that the Caps sign an agreement with Nylander stating that they are on the hook for any $ not versed to Nylander under the russian agreement. It would be complex because in case of breech of contract, this would probably be subjected to international laws, which the US does not abide by anyways.
Anyways, I guess we will have to see what happens next.

Posted by: atybat | November 13, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Nyls, Nyls...

What are we going to do with you?

The +/- discussion was fascinating. I love stats. (+/-)/games played * atoi

Ovi averages +.0325 per minute played.
Backs - +.0157
Knuble - +.0325
Morrison - +.0238
Schultz - +.0333

Posted by: JSchon | November 13, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

@JohninMpls - The Caps won't have to put Perrault on waivers when they send him back down because he's still on an entry-level contract. They didn't have to put him on waivers when they brought him up, either.

Posted by: DC_BCF | November 13, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

if the caps are only responsible for making up the difference of a khl contract - nyls has no incentive to negotiate any salary at all - he knows he'll get his nhl salary. if he is concerned with getting a paycheck from a khl club - he should make sure it is for the smallest amount possible - not look for a bigger khl deal.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 13, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

The way the article reads he wants to be able to use this team to showcase his abilities then move to a better team elsewhere, probably one of the teams that is as it says above is currently showing lukewarm interest.

So if this interpretation is correct I've lost any interest I had in his welfare. I taken a position of not assigning blame to any of the parties involved in the Nylander saga, from BB to GMGM to Nyls himself. But he really is at a crossroads here. He has to be able to commit to a team. He can't really expect to play for a couple of months, show he still has some moves, and then abandon that team for another more prestigious one.

It's not fair to any of the teams involved, including the Caps.

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | November 13, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Aucoin isn't ever coming back unless there is a need due to injury. Perreault is here for his look and will stay only long enough to determine that he can deliver at the same pace on a consistent basis, in the event he is also needed on emergency call up. He's a year away, maybe two; we will see him again this year along with the rest of the parade from the minors like Beagle, Alzner, Collins. There's simply no room for permanent call up until Nyls situation is finished or other trades occur.

Posted by: rockdaredlangely | November 13, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I thought that the loan agreement was between the Capitals and the KHL team. That Nylander would continue to be paid by the Capitals for his full salary, and the KHL team would pay the Capitals for Nylander's services. Any difference in the two amounts would be absorbed by the Capitals. But I could very well be wrong.

Posted by: Brute | November 13, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

In other words it may not be about money but about prestige.

As for whose liable for his salary-depends on the contract is my guess. And from what I've read and heard the Caps are liable for his salary. The negotiation with the other team is over what portion they would be willing to pay. And I'm quite sure Nyls could include in his contract a clause holding the Caps responsible for any portion of his salary that remained unpaid.

The contract could have any number of points that we can only speculate about.This is why I think it's about something other than money.

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | November 13, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I never post on these things. The record needs to be set straight about Nylander. First those who say he is a class act do not really know that for fact. Pay me five million to do absolutely nothing and I will show you class. Second he is not that good anymore. At one time he was above average. The Caps negotiated a bad contract that certainly favored NYLS. He really must have locker room issues, teamwork issues and obviously does not have a strong work ethic. Also does not listen to coaches either. Otherwise he would be productive. Did anyone see how horrible he was in the playoffs? Stupid signing for a weak lazy player. If he was a hard worker a team would have taken a gamble. He stinks. Throw his past stats away.

Posted by: pkme | November 13, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

@brute--that is how I understood it as well. However, I'm sure a contract could have certain monys going directly to the player rather than reimbursement of the Caps. I'm sure the contract could say just about anything within reason--it's the breaching of the contract that one wants to avoid.

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | November 13, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

GM is a 100% to blame.
His contract, his deal.

Posted by: LarryDavid | November 13, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Who thinks Nylander will still be a Capital after the trade deadline?

I do.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 13, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe he's a bad person. And I don't get the impression that he's been a bad influence on the team. Rather that he has helped Backs' quick development. And that he is a cautious person. And that he is not a fit for this teams system. So far fine. But....(and I would normally never use curse words) but it's time for Nyls to "s*#t or get off the pot." He simply cannot stay in this limbo. He should realize that.

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | November 13, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

The Nyls news is a classic case of a little information being dangerous. We don't know much, and we're getting only a slice of what's true, and on top of that perhaps false information slipped in by those with a stake in the outcome.

The only thing for sure is that what happens will happen.

@pkme -- I'd stick with your opening line "I never post on these things." You're entitled to an opinion, but I don't think your hyperbole really "sets the record straight."

Posted by: Sonyask | November 13, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

@larrydavid--GMGM is partly to blame, but so is BB and absolutely so is Nylander. There was no reason to believe that the signing would have ended like this. And Nyls absolutely bears a portion of the blame. When looking at the history of anything, one has to put it in context. NMC were used in earlier years and he was desirable. This is not excusing GMGM but it is unrealistic of us to expect to be able to read the future. He was suppose to be the center for our young star Ovi and help mentor him. I personally think he mentored Backs (how much is only a guess). But he is does not now fit.

Moreover, we don't know how often GMGM has tried to resolve the issue but have Nyls refuse the deal. Most posters have assigned blame to management. However, really none of us, including atybat, know enough to say with any certainty how we got to this point or know what steps have been taken by all the parties involved to resolve the issue.

However the ball is squarely in Nylanders court to use a cliche and he had better hit it back. If he nixes a move now then I will blame him for the conclusion of the Nylander saga--no matter how messy it becomes.

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | November 13, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I can see why the Russian team balked at that. But, if carefully drafted, its about as likely as me getting a more lucrative offer. In other words, if "more lucrative" literally means more money right now, I think we would all agree that's pretty unlikely and CSKA could probably decide that it is as highly unlikely. But, if "more lucrative" means more money over the course of the remaining contract, or isn't in Russia, or is just somewhere else, then they would have reasib to object. If someone else wants to pay Nylander $10 million, let them.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | November 13, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

This is a strange situation and we certainly don't know the whole deal. However, from a purely business sense, if I were trying to sell or showcase something, I wouldn't keep it out of the public's eye. I would put it out there as much as possible. Same for a player. Caps are to blame in a way for shooting themselves in the foot. The more lucrative Russian teams are leery to take him on because he hasn't played. If the Caps had been smart, they should have played him as much as possible during the pre-season and early season games. How else would any team gauge its interest (and money) on a guy? Caps management definitely took a wrong position by keeping him off the ice. I can't say I blame Nyls for this situation. If I were him, I'd just sit here, in the USA and collect my money. If someone were stupid enough to pay me not to play, so be it. It's on them. Who would want to go to the outlands of Russia?

Posted by: Puckdawg69 | November 13, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

alexovetjkin tweet:
tj_ovetjkin: CSKA Nemchinov on Nylander & Foppa: "I hear it for the first time. As of Foppa we'd have to sell half of a team to sign him"

Nemchinov is a Head Coach of CSKA. It's strange that he was not even informed about Nylander.

Posted by: CodePoetry | November 13, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

here's one record that will never be broken in the NHL... held by Bobby Orr

1970–71 Boston Bruins NHL GP78 G37 A102 Pts139 PIM91 +124

Posted by: joek443 | November 13, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

LEAVE!

Posted by: NatyBG | November 13, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Bobby Orr played 657 regular season games and was plus 597

Posted by: joek443 | November 13, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I just checked out the CSKA roster on Wikipedia, and its nearly all Russian and I don't recognize a single player on the roster (Nemchinov, of course, I've heard of), although I didn't look that closely. Most of the other KHL teams have a few former NHLers and some foreigners. Nylander might be completely miserable there.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | November 13, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

just tell us when its over!

Posted by: capsfansince74 | November 13, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE JUST GO AWAY!!!!

Posted by: bseastwood | November 13, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

CSKA is financially very poor hockey club compared to others. This is the army, not Medvedev's Gazprom company.

Hard to believe they'd pay a lot of money to Nyls.

Posted by: CodePoetry | November 13, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I looked at Wikipedia and Mark Hartigan plays for them. He is not a top notch of course, but he had Stanley Cup with Detroit. CSKA has 2 Canadians and 1 American. The limit on foreigners is 4 in KHL.

Posted by: CodePoetry | November 13, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

what ever happened to playing for the love of the game?no matter what these days an athelete is gonna get paid pretty good money to play there sport.so to be playing a game that you love and getting paid good money whether its 500k or 5m is an honor.i just dont see how they can be so greedy when it comes to being paid for a sport that they so call love.i guess thats why greed is one of the seven sins.me,id take 50k just to play a game but hey i guess i just love the sport more.i hope this gets resolved soon and we all move on.GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: gratefuldid | November 13, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

CSNHD on Cox..Channel 734...is showing My Life 365, The Gary Williams Show and college basketball instead of the Caps?? WTF!!! grrrrrr.

Posted by: curunduraj | November 13, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Ok seriously. I've been in your court for a long time Nylander. I've said you were a class act and that you deserve to end up on a team where you're respected and wanted. I don't think that team is the Caps, and though I don't think you're as good as you used to be, I still have respect for you as a human being.

That all changes if this report is true. You're already being paid to not play hockey. If you seriously want the power to switch teams to get paid more and that clause keeps you from leaving the Capitals, then you are on my **** list. I'm all for getting paid to do your job, but that clause is like saying to an employer "you're not allowed to let me go and must pay me my salary even if I'm not earning it (*cough cough*, like now). Oh, but I'm allowed to leave whenever I want if someone pays me better."

Man up and take the best deal you're going to get, assuming you actually even want to play hockey professionally.

Posted by: Raber | November 13, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

When the dust finally settles on this sorry saga of Michael Nylander, I hope the Post does an article similar in scope to the Brashear article. An elite NHL player, traded to the Caps, new coach/system, injuries, frozen out by the Caps, exile in Grand Rapids, etc. I, for one, would be very interested to learn the full story, told from all perspectives.

Posted by: zmega | November 13, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

@curunduraj, the game tonight (and tomorrow) is on CSN+.

As for Nyles, I don't blame CSKA for wanting that clause removed. Look what he did to Edmonton to come to Washington. I am seeing a trend. If he isn't gone from Washington before the end of the season I would bury him in the ECHL next year.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | November 13, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

@CodePoetry,

Are you the max is 4? Di(y)namo Minsk has almost a dozen, mostly Swedes and Finns. Yes, its mostly Belorussians, but its way more than 4.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | November 13, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

to sonyask

Well what can I say. You have supposedly a healthy player making 5.5 million a year and they do not play him. Obviously he is not good which is why they do not play him If he could contribute at a high level they would of started him in the beginning of the season and showcased him and then got maybe some interest. BTW, everyone on here has some opinion. That is what it is about last time I checked.

Posted by: pkme | November 13, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

There is a lot of people not knowing. OK.
There is a contract. OK.
This is not about hockey. It is a teambuilding issue and not telling people what is happening ain´t good for the team.
Caps in second place and soon to be in first. That is good and what we should talk about.

Posted by: Hookey | November 13, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Is he gone, yet? If he really wants to play hockey, IT'S TIME TO GO.

Posted by: NHLObserver | November 16, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

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