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Ovechkin fined $2,500 for slew foot (updated)

Sources have told me that Alex Ovechkin has been fined by the NHL for his slew foot of Atlanta's Rich Peverley in the closing seconds of Thursday night's 5-4 victory over the Thrashers at Philips Arena.

Ovechkin, who was whistled for tripping, was docked the collective bargaining agreement maximum of $2,500. The two-time MVP will not face a suspension, the sources said, because the puck was in the area, it was a close game and Ovechkin did not appear to intend to injure Peverley, who was not hurt on the play.

Dallas' Matt Niskanen was not so lucky earlier this week when he was slew-footed by Anaheim's Evgeny Artyukhin. Artyukhin, a repeat offender, received a three-game suspension for the incident. Niskanen suffered a head injury.

Update:Colin Campbell has since confirmed Ovechkin's fine.

It is unfair to draw any parallels [about the two slew-foot incidents] other than the players that [Ovechkin and Artyukhin] tripped both fell down," Campbell told NHL.com.
In contrast, Campbell said, Ovechkin is "not a repeat offender" and he was pushing the player's feet out trying to get the puck late in a close game. There was no injury to Peverley.
"We categorize that as a hockey play, but it is dangerous and that is why we fined him," explained Campbell. "And we still don't like either play."

Read the entire story from NHL.com here.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  October 23, 2009; 4:08 PM ET
 
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wow what really, i watched it happen and have seen many replays since and this was not a "slew-foot" incident. he got the inside lane on peverly and then used his upper body strength to get peverly down, ovie already made his claim to the inside so this is just dumb, whatever glad he isn't suspended but now everyone is going to say ovie wasnt suspended because his name is ovechkin. this is dumb

Posted by: capsfan387 | October 23, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

i didnt' see it, was it fairly similar to what Arthyukin just got 3 games for?

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 23, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else remember when Malkin-Lindros intentionally slew footed a Ranger in MSG?

Our memory is a bit hazy, but what was the fine for that action???

Posted by: CapsNut | October 23, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Good to have good sources, Tarik!

I'm going to bet that Pens are going to sink tonight w/o Gonchar. Yeah, Panthers are not the top NHL team, but Pens are doing down.

Amen.

Posted by: CodePoetry | October 23, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

no it was nothing like arthyukin's, in that case arty swept his foot purposely to bring down his opponent. in ovie's case at least from what i saw the puck was going lose to the offense side board peverly and ovie both went for it, peverley got to the puck a little before ovie peverley kinda had his back to ovie and ovie skated to the inside so both of ovie's feet and body position was to the inside lane of where peverley's body position was and then ovie used his shoulder and upper body to plant his feet and taken peverley down with his upper body not his foot, but because his feet were on the inside of peverley's body position i guess one could argue his foot brought him down not his body.

i dunno like i said even after i saw it happen and the replay right after i was confused. and i was right everyone says ovie isn;t getting suspended because his name is ovie, which is bs

Posted by: capsfan387 | October 23, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Arthyukin's was plain cheap, puck was out at center ice and he came from behind Niskanen and knocked him over. 3 game suspension was warranted. If anyone wants a guide on how to slew foot, find some tapes of Malkin at the end of the last game of the Rangers/Pens series in his rookie season, 2 blatant ones that led to a bru ha ha and the final stake in Pens' coffin that year.

Between that one which Ovie did have inside lane on Peverly and practically knocked him on his butt being a little bigger than him and the one breakaway that Antropov practically slowed down to grab Jurcina into him for the holding penalty in 2nd period were dicey calls at best.

Well, at least no suspension and 2 points for a regulation win in division is something that can be built on!!!

GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: BBDwrestling | October 23, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Aren't you tired of those headlines:

The Pittsburgh Penguins are showing no signs of a Stanley Cup hangover.

They will. Tonight. Mark my word. :-)

Posted by: CodePoetry | October 23, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Ovechkin makes $2500 in a... wait... there it was, he just made $2500. No big deal.

Posted by: matucker | October 23, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

it was a slew foot. not vicious, no intent to injure and he's not a repeat offender, so a fine is in order. but no doubt it was a slew foot.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | October 23, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Here is a decent summary of the penalty with a replay
http://watch.tsn.ca/nhl/clip226784#clip226784

let the "ovechkin is reckless" begin from non-caps fans...

Posted by: joshuablonz | October 23, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

How about a fine for the defender for the Thrashers who took his stick and did a two handed slash on Brooks Laich ankle/foot? If you watch that slash closely he wasn't playing the puck at all and he easily could have shattered Laich's foot or ankle. The Ovie hit looked clean but to fine him is a joke. Just my 2 cents.

Posted by: DCSportsFan28 | October 23, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Thanks josh for posting the link, the announcers did a good job of explaining/showing it and another example of the guy who got suspended three games for slew footing. Ovie was at least playing the puck. Speaking of Ovie and penalties. He has got to be the most abused superstar in the history of hockey. Because he plays so physical, maybe he is looked at as "dishing it out" so he can take it. Cindy Crosby is so protected, you would think the refs name when he plays is named Gambino. How can Ovie be so relentless going to the net and go full bore and not draw alot more penalties? Hardly any penalties called against him! FEEDBACK ???

Posted by: klangley69 | October 23, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

it was definitely a slew foot.$2500 not a problem for 8 but it is a dirty play

Posted by: wendel2 | October 23, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

My first thought is "whatever, $2500 is in the change drawer of his cars", but I am kind of annoyed by this. OV did trip him and it was kind of dangerous, but its two guys jostling for position going for the puck. Yeah, its a penalty: OV clearly hauls him down after the got tangled, but its kind of a weak fine. In the same way that accidently hitting a guy with a high stick is a penalty, this is a penalty. But a fine? Presumably, OV budgets for these.

Part of the joy of watching OV is the fearless with which he plays, lets hope that Campbell doesn't beat that out of him.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | October 23, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

dreger should pay this -- never knew you can throw a slew foot with your upper body

Posted by: capsgary | October 23, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

@kittypawz from previous threads

Kitty, my problem with Schultz is that he is big and has the size to hit more and clear the crease but rarely do you see him do it. (over his career, last night he was good) He does provide a lot of bang for the buck and is only 23 so he has a ton of time to develop still. I don't need him to make open ice hits but he does need to clear crease more often and get nastier after the play. I don't like him because I think he is wasting his talent but I wouldn't release him either.

BTW Locker's comment comparning him to Murphy was pretty funny.

Posted by: caps512 | October 23, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Pocket Change indeed - Atleast the Caps got 2 points on a night when there top line was the worst one on the ice. I will assert that the troubles on the power play were in part caused by who BB chose to be out there. In part by Nicky and OV having an off night. ie: in the 3rd ov comes down with Backs and one other - 3 on 1 and passes it too far in front of nick and made the defender look good. Any other night - OV shoots that puck and scores! Lets take the 2 and move on. As the predators proved there are no nights off any more.

Posted by: psugolf | October 23, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

@Capsnut.
Re: Malkin slew foot.

Here's a link to the tape of Malkin slew footing Paul Mara of the Rangers two years ago in the playoffs. Pretty sure there were no fines/suspensions to Malkin despite his clear intent. Yet Ovie gets fined $2500.?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN99_E0tLhg

Posted by: sj9096 | October 23, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I don't need him to make open ice hits but he does need to clear crease more often and get nastier after the play. I don't like him because I think he is wasting his talent but I wouldn't release him either.

BTW Locker's comment comparning him to Murphy was pretty funny.

Posted by: caps512 | October 23, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

you don't NEED him to do anything because you are NOT part of the team.

Posted by: joek443 | October 23, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

WEAK!! Yes it was a penalty, but it wasn't intentional. OV does NOT need to slewfoot someone to get position. He was battling for position and tripped the guy.

Posted by: asdfasdfasdf123 | October 23, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I am seeing this through rose coloured glasses, but I didn't think that was a bad play at all. You could tell he was doing everything he could to try to get a goal (after Kovalchuk netted his second) and I think he was just battling to get to the puck. I know 2500 isn't a lot for Alex, but I still didn't think it was that bad of a play.

Posted by: Aldred15 | October 23, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

For those who are confused on what constitutes a "slew foot" here you go:

http://www.afterthewhistle.com/en/Rules/20022003/slewfooting02.htm

IMO, Ovie derserved a penalty, but I think the fine was questionable. Seems to me, and I AM a homer, but he was simply skating like a bat outta hell (like he always does) and was making a play for the puck and the type of contact he had with Peverely was rough but not intentional. They both converged so quickly on the puck that the collision couldn't have been really manipulated by either player. Ovie is bigger and Peverely went down.

Oh well.

Posted by: SkinsFanInNYC | October 23, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Well, if Mike Keenan were coach of the Caps, Ovi would probably be benched against the Isles. (Bad penalty at end of game.)

While having good self discipline is certainly helpful for achieving one's goals, the disciplinarian coaches are not always the ones who get the best results. I saw that with the Mets of the mid-late 1980's. The Mets had been terrible for years, hired Davey Johnson to be their manager, and the team started doing much better and became a perennial pennant contender. Davey was a players' manager, so to speak, and not a disciplinarian. (Granted, I hated the Mets in those days since I rooted for their main arch-rival.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 23, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Hope Semin is okay by the time we play the Flyers. I'm sure it's no fun to be both sick and injured at the same time.

I doubt if his absence was disciplinary in nature, contrary to what some people might think. He played last Saturday. Okay, he didn't score but he didn't make any glaring mistakes either. (The second line just wasn't hitting anything that day.)

He missed Monday's practice and was sent to the doctor. But came back on Tuesday. (Maybe going to that practice was a mistake, as he either got injured or relapsed.) And, after that, he's been out. (Even though he was apparently skating with Fleischmann at Kettler today.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 23, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't know where all this new term like slew foot came from but I really don't know what is or isn't a legit penalty in the NHL anymore. I'd say more than half the penalties being called right now wouldn't have been called before the lockout.

I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing but some of the penalties being called now just make you scratch your head. they're just as perplexing to me as some of the roughing the passer penalties being called in the NFL. They have gone too far in the other direction IMO.

Posted by: joek443 | October 23, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Slew footing is just a type of trip and has always been a penalty just not with it's own nAme. It's a dangerous maneuver and is a good penalty to have on the books... Like kneeing.

Posted by: ChickenLittleCapsFan | October 23, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

ChickenLittleCapsFan:
i so look forward to the "OH NO!" posts - keep it up

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | October 23, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I mean OH No ovie got fined $2500!! How will he be able to afford a tank of gas for his Benz? Oh NO he'll go hungry!!

Posted by: ChickenLittleCapsFan | October 23, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that this whole incident was instigated by Darren Dreger, who obviously has some sort of vendetta against Ovie. It was a fight for the puck, where Ovie was called for a 2 minute tripping. But then Dreger puts it out on Twitter that it was a slew-foot and that he should be fined. Dreger then follows that up with an hour on NHL On-the-Fly saying the same thing, then on TSN, and today on his radio show on AM640 Toronto. Dreger made it into a story, nothing more. Maybe it’s an Anti-Russian bias, or that he’s still pissed off that Ovie took Komisarik’s number at the Montreal All-Star game. Whatever the reason, Dreger made it his mission to bring him down today, and he succeeded. It just reeks.

Posted by: bagace | October 23, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

nice - thanks

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | October 23, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I wish I had another angle on the penalty. It probably was a slew foot but Peverly was knocked off his skates from the upper body hit, not Ovechkin's leg. I'm almost glad they're fining OV for it though, because it means he's less likely to take a stupid penalty with 30 seconds to go.

BTW, how lucky are we that the Thrashers scored on the PP seconds after the 5 on 3 expired?

Posted by: Raber | October 23, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

for those not watching...Griffins & Heat tied 2-2 after 1, Nylander gets assist on Griffins 2nd goal (PP).

Posted by: pachanga74 | October 23, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Tarik gave me a heart attack!!

"Update: Colin Campbell has since confirmed Ovechkin's **suspension**."

Posted by: sargeantmofo | October 23, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

hey chickenlittle--I read your comment and thought "Oh No" he's gone serious on us. Thanks for your snappy "Oh No" comeback.

BTW I keep watching and I still can't see the slew foot--I wish I could see the contact from another angle. Sometimes I think that refs believe that Ovie is talented enough that he should be able to avoid that kind of contact, and that's why he got fined.

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | October 23, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

I realize of course that Campbell fined him. The refs just called it tripping.

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | October 23, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

@capsfan387 - Actually, by the rulebook, that was slew-footing.

Here's the rule in question:

52.1 Slew-footing - Slew-footing is the act of a player or goalkeeper using his leg or foot to knock or kick an opponent’s feet from under him, or pushes an opponent’s upper body backward with an arm or elbow, and at the same time with a forward motion of his leg, knocks or kicks the opponent’s feet from under him, causing him to fall violently to the ice.

Now, while the "fall violently to the ice" part wasn't quite met, the rest was exactly as-described in the rule, and I was very surprised that the referees called it as tripping. They need to review the rulebook. Really.

@DCSportsFan28 - The difference between slashing and slew-footing is that slashing is characterized as a "stick foul" and slew-footing is a "physical foul." Should it be this way? Probably not, but that is the way it is. Neither penalty, for the record, has an actual fine or suspension associated with it. You can't get a minor for slew-footing; there is only only a major (+ automatic game misconduct) and a match penalty.

Match penalties in both cases are handed out when deliberate intent to injure is perceived.

Slashing comes with a minor penalty, a major penalty (+ automatic game misconduct), and a match penalty version, depending on the intent and the severity
of the slash.

Posted by: irockthered | October 23, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

nhl.com has a video clip of the 'slew foot' on perverly
http://www.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?id=49489
based on the definition - it would appear that it was.
it looks like ovi was trying to get position on the puck along the boards, he got his upper body in front of perverly but not his legs. when they make contact ovi's left leg comes up off of the ice for balance, then with his left arm/elbow in front of perverly his lifted left leg takes perverly down.
in no way does it look intentional


from SkinsFanInNYC above:
For those who are confused on what constitutes a "slew foot" here you go:

http://www.afterthewhistle.com/en/Rules/20022003/slewfooting02.htm

IMO, Ovie derserved a penalty, but I think the fine was questionable. Seems to me, and I AM a homer, but he was simply skating like a bat outta hell (like he always does) and was making a play for the puck and the type of contact he had with Peverely was rough but not intentional. They both converged so quickly on the puck that the collision couldn't have been really manipulated by either player. Ovie is bigger and Peverely went down.

Oh well.

Posted by: SkinsFanInNYC | October 23, 2009 6:12 PM

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | October 23, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I'll be honest -- I had never heard the term "slew foot" before last night.

Anyone else?

Posted by: Cerealman | October 23, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

It looks like Ovi was trying to get position on the puck along the boards. He got his upper body in front of Perverly, but not his legs. When they made contact Ovi's left leg came up off of the ice for balance, then with his left arm/elbow in front of Perverly, his lifted left leg took Perverly down. In no way does it look intentional.

That's my take on it as well, Captain Kirk. Totally agreed. By the letter of the law, it was slew-footing. It wasn't an intentional slew-footing by any stretch of the imagination.

Posted by: irockthered | October 23, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Nylander now has two assists for Grand Rapids.

Posted by: icehammer97 | October 23, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

The Penguins - easy to have a nice record when you play Toronto, the Isles and Phoenix all month. Let's see what their record is at the end of November. Then we'll talk.

Posted by: CAP-lanta | October 23, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Cerealman:
Glad I'm not the only one! ;-) And I've follow hockey forever.

So how was the game last night? Any interesting observations from being in the house? Was it as empty as it looked on TV?

Posted by: --Boo-- | October 23, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

@SkinsFanInNYC
@Capt_Kirk_in_AZ

Thanks for the info, very informative

Posted by: ralCapsFan | October 23, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Cerealman:
same here - never heard it before yesterday

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | October 23, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

for anyone that is interested in tracking nyls' progress tonight
summary:
http://theahl.com/stats/game-summary.php?game_id=1006156
game sheet:
http://theahl.com/stats/official-game-report.php?game_id=1006156
and text version of game sheet:
http://theahl.com/stats/text-game-report.php?game_id=1006156

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | October 23, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

or you could just watch the game as it's freebie preview night on AHL Live. Unfortunately, the Bears game is not a fun one to watch though

Posted by: pachanga74 | October 23, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Pachanga,
The Bears game is crazy if you like scoring. Five goals in three minutes. Bears putting on the pressure.

Posted by: ekays | October 23, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

thx for heads up. got caught up watching griffins (?) and didn't realize Bears were coming back.

Posted by: pachanga74 | October 23, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

@Capt_Kirk_in_Az
if you saw the slew foot on Jagr by Igor Ulanov when Jagr was a Cap, you would understand how dangerous a slew foot can be. Jagr was injured by the slew foot. While Ovie did not have an intent to injure, it was a slew foot. Hopefully, this will make him more aware and he doesn't do this again. Also, Nyls is looking good in the Griffins game. (It is free preview night on AHL Live.)

Posted by: NovaCath | October 23, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

so far it looks like nyls is what we need to boost the PP :)

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | October 23, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

NovaCath:
i agree it dangerous. i watched a clip of malkin do that to mara of the rags from the 08 playoffs. malkin chased him down then clipped maras right skate with his left skate in open ice nowhere near the puck - don't think the refs saw it as it happened though.
i don't have a problem with the fine, sends the message to all players that they need to be able to control themselves while on the ice. i don't think it would be a bad idea to review high sticks too. if a concussion is bad, losing an eye would be worse.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | October 23, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Bang bang play with Ovie wanting an empty netter bad. Part of it was payback for Peverly's high stick to Ovie's grill last season that the zebras missed that had Ovie going after the first Thrasher he saw

Posted by: vsmartin007 | October 23, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

the grand rapid nylanders win 5-3
nyls with 3 PP assists - the last one being an empty netter

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | October 23, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey Cap-lanta you named 3 of the 9 teams the Pens have played how have they played them all month? If they lost those games then everyone would say wow they suck.

Posted by: cocorules | October 23, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

How about a fine for the defender for the Thrashers who took his stick and did a two handed slash on Brooks Laich ankle/foot? If you watch that slash closely he wasn't playing the puck at all and he easily could have shattered Laich's foot or ankle. The Ovie hit looked clean but to fine him is a joke. Just my 2 cents.

Posted by: DCSportsFan28

your absolutely right, its ridiculous. from watching the replay numerous times it was a trip but he didn't use his foot to take Art down. Plenty of serious missed calls in every game, and this one gets targeted. Why? Because its Ovi and Bettman has been listening to a certain...fruity hockey analyst.

A bit of a rant but between the 2 handed hook on Laich this game(could be taken as intent to injure, 5 min penalty) and the 2 handed high sticking on Poti a few games ago(at least a 5min penalty) in which they stopped play to clean his blood. . .absolutely ridiculous.

Posted by: breaklance | October 23, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

the grand rapids nylanders ... HA! :-D

Posted by: --Boo-- | October 23, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Malkin to Crosby and he scores SHORTHANDED to tie the game at 2 late in the third against the panthers...

that's a weapon that the Caps simply don't have when they're on the PK.

Posted by: joek443 | October 23, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

And now Crosby has a shootout goal. Gee whiz.

Florida can't hold onto leads against the Pens. I am pretty much resigned to the fact that the Pens will win the President's Trophy this year. They are just so much better than anyone else this year.

I think it would be funny if the Pens won the President's Trophy and then got dumped in the first round of the playoffs a la San Jose.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 23, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

@joek443

On shorthanded goals -- I just settle for the Caps not giving up a goal while on PK.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 23, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

@irockthered

I see you're keeping Spock's old line from Star Trek alive on your blog in referring to Semin's absence. "his absence was keenly felt."

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 23, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

@ CAP-lanta

Love your comments on the Pens. Easy to build a fat winning percentage when playing weak sister teams. (Not that I'd guarantee that the Caps could do the same.)

Last year, the Caps had a great track record in beating Tampa Bay and the New York Islanders. Although they did have to go to overtime to beat the Islanders at least twice. Their track record against Toronto, Ottawa, and the lousy teams of the Western Conference left a lot to be desired.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 23, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

I know Joek (joke). OV, Backs and Semin suck b/c they can't skate 60 minutes a game. We should trade them.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | October 23, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

@Capt_Kirk_in_AZ

Why didn't Nyls boost our PP last year?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 23, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

@ CapsFan75,

I don't think that's good enough if they're gonna challenge the pens and win the cup. when you're down late in the third, you gotta take chances even if you're shorthanded.

Great offensive teams in the NHL have always had that threat even if they're shorthanded.

Posted by: joek443 | October 23, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

pokerfaceI208, you're the one who SUCKS.

Posted by: joek443 | October 23, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

@ joek443

Unfortunately, first you have to be able to kill penalties before we can worry about scoring while short-handed. (Of course, everyone seems to get short handed breakaways vs the Caps.)

BTW, is there ANYONE in the league who can challenge the Pens this year?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 23, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

At least we probably don't have to worry about Nylander joining the Penguins and haunting us since they have more centers than they know what to do with.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 23, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

CapsFan75:
The Caps can take em. It's early - they'll get theirs ... and the Caps will only get better.

Posted by: --Boo-- | October 23, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

@ CapsFan75,

the point is who's out there killing penalties. When you have Malkin, Crosby or Datsyuk out there instead of Steckel and Bradley, you will have better chances of scoring shorthanded while NOT sacrificing on defense.

Posted by: joek443 | October 23, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

that's the only problem I have with BB... he says all they ever talk about is DEFENSE and they never talk about offense. But he never puts his best player out on the ice when they're on PK.

unless OV really sucks at PK and can't do it, he needs to be out there on PK even if that means sacrificing some offense. Then I will believe BB when he says he really preaches defense all the time.

Posted by: joek443 | October 23, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

@--Boo--

Great spirit! I hope the Caps are getting their "bad vibrations" out of their system early in the season. And have their act in gear for the playoffs this year.

I must confess I'm feeling annoyed since the Penguins had a come from behind victory. (Maybe the Caps should be forced to watch tapes of that game, especially when preparing to play Florida.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 23, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Putting Ovie out for any about of minutes on the PK seems foolish given the amount of ice time he already gets and the long shifts he takes. Unless they're going to reign him in and not let him play the full 2 minutes on the PP it would be silly to increase his minutes.

You can be the best player on the team without being the best person to put out there on the PK. Ovie is the type of guy who will try to block shots but is that really a smart idea for the team going forward?

Semin had been seeing a decent amount of PK time and that is offense enough when he's out there with a Laich, Knuble, or BMo. I could care less if we ever score a shorty all year if the PK success rate is around 85%.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | October 23, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

CapsFan75:
Why didn't Nyls boost our PP last year?
i'd guess nyls didn't get a whole lot of PP time for the caps last year. i couldn't find any stats on nyls ice time for PP - but he did have 4 of his 9 goals and 6 of his 24 assists on the PP.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | October 23, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

@ joek443

You have a point there. We put our defensive guys out on PK for the most part, although we do put Semin and Backstrom there, too. (We've had an occasional breakaway but no shorties yet.)

Ovi plays so many minutes in general that Bouds doesn't probably want to "waste" him in a PK situation.

Since our PP is so bad, should we give Stecks and Brad a chance there? Or Giroux and Aucoin? I do remember Giroux getting a breakaway in a PK situation but he wasn't able to finish.

Yes I know I'm making crazy suggestions on who to put on the Power Play but the current cast of characters is just not working out. We need to try something different.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 23, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

@Davethecapsfan

You expressed it well -- on not using Ovy in PK situations.

(Of course, we now can't use Semin at the moment 'cause he's out with the flu and/or injury. I assume he'll be back against Philthy but no tomorrow.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 23, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

here's a question for all those who think it's a bad idea to put OV on PK...

is OV's point total really as impressive as that of Crosby and Malkin considering the fact that he doesn't have to worry about killing penalties?

Posted by: joek443 | October 23, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Malkin and Crosby don't always kill penalties, being behind for the whole game I'd figure they would throw them out there on the PK to try to generate something. We've done the same thing in the past with Ovie and Semin on a PK. We put guys like Semin, Backstrom, Laich, and Knuble out there those are guys who can make plays and generate odd man rushes the other way.

You're likely to see the guys like Crosby/Malkin/Ovie/Semin a lot more on the PK early in the year...later on those guys probably wouldn't see that much ice time while teams are gearing up for the playoffs. This is even more true this year with all the extra minutes those guys will be playing in the Olympics.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | October 23, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

joek443:
i'm not sure crosby and malkin should be mentioned in the same sentence as ovechkin
hahaha

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | October 23, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

joek443, I'm pretty sure that Malkin and Crosby normally don't kill penalties, but Bylsma probably had them out there 'cause he needed them to score--he needed that short-handed chance and they were the two best players to get that accomplished.

I will agree that I'd like to them put Ovi out there on the PK from time to time. I don't think he's as good as Semin or Backie, but it's worth a try.

Posted by: dfe1 | October 23, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

CapsFan75, I'm as annoyed as you at the Pen's come from behind victory. But that's what winning the Cup will do to your confidence.

Posted by: dfe1 | October 23, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying OV should be out there as one of their top 2 or 3 penalty killing forwards but when they're down late in a game and can't afford to just think defense even on PK, I'd like to see him out there.

Also he's gonna be one of the alltime great plyers such as Gretzky, Yzerman, Messier and Mario, NOT just an alltime great goal scorer, he needs to contribute on PK as well as other parts of the game. 7 to 9 percent of the goals those 4 alltime great players scored were shorthanded goals.

1. Gretzky - 73 shorties outta 894
2. Messier - 63 outta 694
3. Yzerman - 50 outta 692
4. M. Lemieux - 49 outta 690

all these guys faced the same risk when killing penalties as any other players.

Posted by: joek443 | October 23, 2009 11:59 PM | Report abuse

@dfe1

Unfortunatly, 'tis true. The Pens have the swagger of the winner since they won the Cup last year.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 24, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

I didnt want to do it, but I have to....

Of course there was no fine for this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wqR17KrLKw

Posted by: sk8ersublime | October 24, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

joek443, if I remember correctly from last season, Ovi wanted to be on the PK and BB put him out there during the preseason and perhaps the first couple of regular season games. I think he might have had a short-handed goal or two during the preseason, but I guess during the beginning of the regular season, maybe he didn't do so good, so BB took him off of it.

But I'm all for putting him on it again. I know someone said they didn't care if we had any shorthanded goals as long as our penalty kill was good, but why can't we have both?

Posted by: dfe1 | October 24, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

I hear it was a bad night for the Hershey Bears. Who was in goal for them?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 24, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

@dfe1

Yes, I said that. (Settling for killing the penalty as opposed to getting short handed goals.)

I do say short handed goals are very nice. I'd like us to get some. But, of course, the priority is to kill off the penalty so our primary mode is defensive.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 24, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Somehow I doubt those players faced the same "risks" that new technology has brought in the form of harder shots in recent years.

The game was far more wide open and teams in the mid 80's (especially the Oilers during their dynasty years) put up insane totals for shorties in a year.

Notice as well the 4 players you list are the ONLY ones out of the top 30 goal scorers of all time to be at that 7% or more mark of their goals as SH ones. The next closest is (surprise, surprise) Jari Kurri who was a member of those wide open and aggressive Oiler teams.

Also when you notice the list of most SH goals all time, only 2 of the top 30 began their careers after the 1992-1993 season. Those 2 are Brian Rolston (94-95) and Martin St. Louis (98-99).

Considering that Ovechkin also has currently more career SHG than Malkin and Crosby combined...I think he has seen plenty of time on the PK.

Numbers are nothing without context.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | October 24, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

CapsFan75, but I still don't think we're doing that great a job in killing penalties either. Is there a reason we're not as aggressive as other teams?

Posted by: dfe1 | October 24, 2009 12:38 AM | Report abuse

You do realize we're like 8th in the league in PK % right? We finished last year 17th. A jump in % too from 80.6 to 83%. I know it's early but I can't exactly complain with either of those numbers personally.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | October 24, 2009 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Dave, good point. And I guess maybe you've gotta start slow and work from there, do the little things right. And certainly our PP needs a lot of help so maybe that should be the first priority.

Posted by: dfe1 | October 24, 2009 12:46 AM | Report abuse

The PP has been weird...not having Semin really took some of the flow away against Atlanta. Also they were just having a real hard time gaining the zone and setting it up. There's also been games this year when the results weren't there on the PP but we were getting 3-6 shots on a single one and it looked dangerous the entire time.

Sometimes that happens though, too much talent out there for it to NOT start clicking eventually.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | October 24, 2009 12:49 AM | Report abuse

@Davethecapsfan

I'm glad they've improved their PK percentage. It's amazing at how the rank in PK changes with just a seemingly small increase in percentage -- a little under 3%.

(Of course, our boys seem to go into the box an awful lot.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 24, 2009 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I know. I remember when we had won the first 2 games against the Pens and the Pens fans were bemoaning their PP and wanting the PP coach to be fired, etc. Then all of a sudden, boom, they were getting PP goals left and right and they haven't let up since, so maybe it's just a matter of time for us.

I just don't like all of the short-handed attempts (and especially goals) that we're giving up.

Posted by: dfe1 | October 24, 2009 12:53 AM | Report abuse

here is a poll i'd like to see on CI.
Which one of these two events would you have thought would NOT happen this year? (considering most of us realize that 'Stars' are not awarded at practice)
Jeff Schultz #1 Star (1G, 2A, +3)
Michael Nylander #2 Star (3A)

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | October 24, 2009 2:17 AM | Report abuse

HERE'S TO 'SLEW FOOTING'!!! GO OVI,GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: gratefuldid | October 24, 2009 5:50 AM | Report abuse

You do realize we're like 8th in the league in PK % right? We finished last year 17th. A jump in % too from 80.6 to 83%. I know it's early but I can't exactly complain with either of those numbers personally.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | October 24, 2009 12:42 AM | Report abuse

2 of those games have been against teams with bottom 5 PP units; give it a couple more weeks.

Posted by: Section117 | October 24, 2009 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Can anyone tell me why Aucoin did not get an assist on Clark's goal Thursday in Atlanta? He won the faceoff clean right to Green, who passed to Clark who scored. It was scored Clark from Green. I thought the faceoff man gets an assist in that situation. Thanks if someone can clear this up for me--my favorite player needs all the points he can get.

Posted by: ijamsman | October 24, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

I am pretty much resigned to the fact that the Pens will win the President's Trophy this year. They are just so much better than anyone else this year.
Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 23, 2009 10:26 PM
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@CapsFan75:
Please, we're not even ten games into the season. Don't go anointing the Pens with anything yet. You'll start to sound like all the other doomsdayers on here. Pittsburgh could lose players to injury (Gonchar) or hit a major mid-season slump or just get overconfident and have it come back to bite them. Don't even start talking about the President's Trophy till at least March.

Posted by: tess2201 | October 24, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

I hear it was a bad night for the Hershey Bears. Who was in goal for them?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 24, 2009 12:13 AM
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Despite allowing five goals, Neuvirth (28 saves) had a solid game. He was victimized by screens and Penguins left unchecked in scoring areas.
"The score wasn't indicative of his goaltending," Bears coach Mark French said.
"I thought we worked hard. I don't think we worked appreciably smart, especially defensively sometimes."

http://www.pennlive.com/hersheybears/patriotnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/125635740814280.xml&coll=1

Posted by: tess2201 | October 24, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Ijamsman,
assists can be pretty subjective. I think aucoin doesn't get that assist cause 1-the game was in atl and 2- green shot the puck (it wasn't a pass) and Clarke scored on the rebound. If green's shot goes in than aucoin gets the a. Since it was more of a flukey rebound I think they would deem aucoins face off win as incidental to the goal. If aucoins name was Crosby, he probably gets the assist caused it would have been considered a "brilliant play".

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | October 24, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

@tess2201

I certainly do hope the Penguins get overconfident and that it will bite them (in time for the playoffs).

Actually, that scenario would not surprise me. 1) Pens have fantastic regular season. 2) Pens get overconfident. 3) Pens get dumped in Round 1 or Round 2 of playoffs.

(Even if I may have "annointed" the Pens with a Presidents Trophy, we all know how much it bought the San Jose Sharks. Nada. Zippo. They still got bounced in Round 1 of the playoffs.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 24, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

@Capt_Kirk_in_AZ

Of course, scenario #2 (with Nyls being the 2nd star) did not happen with him being a member of the Caps but rather with the AHL Griffins (sp?)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 24, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

@dfe1

I am hoping the Pens get so overconfident that it bites them this year -- in the playoffs.

Speaking of evil teams, go Angels, beat the Yankees!

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 24, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I haven't watched the baseball post-season games at all. I'm an Orioles fan, and we all know how long it's been since we've had a postseason. That being said, I hate both the Phillies and the Yankees, so my ideal scenario at this point would be for the Angels to knock off the Yanks now and then sweep the Phillies in the Series.

Posted by: tess2201 | October 24, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

From the Grand Rapids paper Sat AM: FYI

Williams tied it 90 seconds later on the power play after taking a nifty pass from Michael Nylander.

Nylander, who is under contract with the Washington Capitals and playing with the Griffins during a two-week conditioning stint, added three assists, all on the power play.

"He's an NHL player, and you can see why," Fraser said. "His poise with the puck is terrific. He's the guy that got the power play going."

Posted by: RichC3 | October 24, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

DirecTV gave me six months free of their sport pack. ( must be because that won't sign the Versus contract and afraid they'll lose subscribers) Anyway, I watched the Pens/Florida game 3 2 Pens in Shoot out. Brent J was in goal. Chris Borque was on the Power Play (must be doing something right.) Crysby got two.
But Florida led 2 -0 through most of the game. Fl. is fast , very fast. we should not take them lightly. Vokun was very good.

Posted by: billd2 | October 24, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Can anyone tell me why Aucoin did not get an assist on Clark's goal Thursday in Atlanta? He won the faceoff clean right to Green, who passed to Clark who scored. It was scored Clark from Green. I thought the faceoff man gets an assist in that situation. Thanks if someone can clear this up for me--my favorite player needs all the points he can get.

Posted by: ijamsman | October 24, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure it's because an Atlanta player touched the puck after the faceoff, but I'd have to go back and watch it again.

Posted by: CapsChick | October 24, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Actually having the Penguins win the President's Trophy might not be a bad thing. Like the previous bloggers mentioned, let them waste all their energy trying to live up to their dynasty hype and then exhaust them for the playoffs. I would really like to see how "hungry" they remain after winning the cup already. Besides, having the Penguins be the number 1 seed and if the Caps can get the number 2 seed will ensure that they do not meet until the conference finals, as long as both teams beat their respective opponents in the playoffs. Finally, Sergei Gonchar is a huge key to their playoff run and to their fast start this year. When he was hurt for 56 games last year, the Pens were floundering and lost. Once he came back, Gonchar gave them another scoring and stabilizing option from the defensmen. It is "admirable" that Crosby had an "Ovechkin" moment last night, but it is obvious the chaos is just starting for them. Now all GMGM has to do is to come up with a "Kunitz"-like trade later.

Posted by: JohnWWW | October 24, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

@tess2201

For baseball, I'm primarily an Orioles fan in the AL and a fan of the Cardinals and Nats in the NL. However, unlike you, I don't hate the Phillies. (That's what happens when I marry a guy born 30 odd miles south of Phillie.) Hence, the Phillies are sort of secondary rooting interest in our household. We used to occasionally go up to Philly over long weekends, see games, and do other stuff.

One way or another, I want the Yankees dumped, either by the Angels or Phillies. On the Angels, they are the one and only team I ever rooted for who I did not initially have any geographical connection. (But my parents later moved to SoCal.) They had a guy, born the day after me, who wore #40. (No wonder I feel sentimental towards Varly in spite of his recent troubles.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 24, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

@JohnWWW

Who will be the Pens' Kunitz of this year?

Will Gonch's loss this time throw the Pens into disarray, like it did last year, as some people are saying?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 24, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Kitty, my problem with Schultz is that he is big and has the size to hit more and clear the crease but rarely do you see him do it.

I'm sorry, this is STUPID. He is big, so he has to hit to be a good defenseman? Puh-lease. Not to mention, have you ever been up close to Schultzie? He is a beanpole of a man, which means that the height does not always translate into great raw strength. He's stronger than he was last year and has been hitting and clearing the crease more than in past years (and doesn't screen his own goalie anymore).

Not to mention, if you talk about not clearing the crease, he is HARDLY the only offender on that count. Picking on him for that because he's tall is just dumb.

I don't need him to make open ice hits but he does need to clear crease more often and get nastier after the play.

This could be said of a lot of guys. I'm sorry, I think your reasoning is stupid and that you're just following a meme. Clear your mind of the chatter and watch him play this season. You might just be surprised.

Frankly, from what I have seen this season, I don't think we need another defenseman or another forward to do this, that, or the other. You watch them against Boston or San Jose, or even Philly - this team can tangle with ANYONE and come out on top. If Varly's not in that net, we win that game against Philly. The only personnel change I can see is to swap with Hershey - Varly for Neuvirth - and even that might be premature. For the rest of it, it's all a mental issue of focus, discipline, and consistency. If Bruce can break the lazy and brain-dead habits and get them all flying right, I see no reason why this team can't hoist Lord Stanley's hardware in June. So will everyone please stop with the "X sucks?" Each and every one of them is a far better player than you or I will ever be, and don't kid yourself into thinking otherwise.

Posted by: kittypawz | October 24, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

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