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Ovechkin: 'No comment'

I caught up to Alex Ovechkin before he boarded the team bus following tonight's 3-2 win in Raleigh, but the star winger would only say "no comment" when I inquired about his knee and the first period hit that resulted in his ejection.

I did, however, get to observe him walking. He had a slight limp, but he did not appear to be wearing a brace and was not using crutches.

Coach Bruce Boudreau said he's more concerned about a potential injury than the possibility of action from the NHL.

"Anytime Alex is hurt, I'm concerned," he said. "He's stiff right now. But I don't know how long he's going to be out, if he's out at all. With these things, the next morning you find out a lot more."

As for the hit, Boudreau said: "It looked like he learned with his shoulder to me. [Tim] Gleason put a good move to the inside and his leg followed through with him."

Carolina Coach Paul Maurice called the hit "dangerous".

"Gleason made a good move and he caught him with his knee," Maurice told reporters. "I don't know how you want to define the play, but it's dangerous for both players."

Ovechkin told me that he was under strict orders not to discuss the injury or the hit.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  November 30, 2009; 10:08 PM ET
 
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Dirty or not, the injury makes me incredibly nervous for this team heading forward.

The fact that he was walking really, really makes me feel better than if he were on crutches.

Posted by: BACKS | November 30, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I guess Ovie walking without a crutch is a good sign. Hopefully we'll find out more tomorrow and not get the lame "He suffered a lower body injury and will be week to week."

Posted by: blushfilms | November 30, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

that was a foolish penalty to take and a stupid hit to take, but it's very good news that ovie's walking on his own and not limping too bad. That doesn't usually happen with ligament tears

Posted by: j762 | November 30, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

As for the hit, Boudreau said: "It looked like he learned with his shoulder to me. [Tim] Gleason put a good move to the inside and his leg followed through with him."

Carolina Coach Paul Maurice called the hit "dangerous".

"Gleason made a good move and he caught him with his knee," Maurice told reporters. "I don't know how you want to define the play, but it's dangerous for both players."
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Bruce is posturing. He would've been livid if the situation had been reversed. He sounds like Pat Quinn. Paul Mo is right, it was a dangerous hit. Ryan Hollweg got a lot of criticism for his determination to make every hit count and he would get caught sticking his knee out here and there. Unfortunately for Hollweg he was just a fringe player. Ovy gets cut a lot more slack for his style of hitting. I don't think Ovy really tried to consciously stick his knee out. He just didn't want to give up on the hit when he had Gleason lined up so perfectly.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 30, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Watching the video, I found myself thinking it was the scariest I'd seen since Joe Theismann's injury. The news that Ovechkin is walking is encouraging but I do hope that the Caps' front office will not behave the way they usually do and will instead give us more information than "lower body injury" and "day to day" or "week to week".

Posted by: greggwiggins | November 30, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

I hope Ovechkin is ok. I hope ANY player is ok. Whatever his orders are to not talk about his injury or the hit, whatever GMGM wants to not say tonight - fine. Tomorrow they need to talk. I agree the lame "lower body injury" stuff is not enough. And OV needs to man-up and explain why he did what he did.

Posted by: caps1974 | November 30, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

I wish the league would just give him 5 to shut all the whiners up.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 30, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

@ cstanton1
"I don't think Ovy really tried to consciously stick his knee out. He just didn't want to give up on the hi"
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I think it was more of a reaction type situation-a reflex if you will. I speculate that it's just one of those unfortunate moments where his body reacted on it's own. human nature..

Posted by: elicea | November 30, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

what does he need to man up for? If he's smart he'll keep his mouth shut so he doesn't get a suspension based on any public comments. We all know the truth. He went for the big hit on a player he has a history with, and he chose not to bail out on the hit once Gleason moved inside. There's nothing more to it.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 30, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

...I do hope that the Caps' front office will not behave the way they usually do and will instead give us more information than "lower body injury" and "day to day" or "week to week".

Posted by: greggwiggins | November 30, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse
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I highly doubt it

Posted by: elicea | November 30, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

wow, I was silently thinking a month worst case. After this report, I am more optimistic.

Lets have Ovie pay his dues and come back soon!

Good win all things considered.

GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | November 30, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

I think it was more of a reaction type situation-a reflex if you will. I speculate that it's just one of those unfortunate moments where his body reacted on it's own. human nature..

Posted by: elicea | November 30, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

frankly I can't remember the last time Ovy has ever bailed out once he has someone in his cross-hairs. Like you said, its in his human nature. He's like a heat seeking missile, once he has someone lined up he has too much inertia going. It would take a monumental MENTAL effort on his part to pass up the hit.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 30, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

I agree the lame "lower body injury" stuff is not enough. And OV needs to man-up and explain why he did what he did.

Posted by: caps1974 | November 30, 2009 10:27 PM |

lol?

Obviously they are going to discuss the injury.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 30, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

on another note, nice to see Fehr keep it going. I was never a Fehr basher, proud to say.

What I liked about his first goal was he backchecked and stole the puck. That got the whole play going with Backstrom. He was also on top of the crease all game long. He's like Knuble jr

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 30, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

what does he need to man up for? ... He went for the big hit on a player he has a history with, and he chose not to bail out on the hit once Gleason moved inside. There's nothing more to it.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 30, 2009 10:29 PM

What does he need to man up for? Putting himself and selfish interest before team. He's on a Stanley Cup contender. Who cares about some petty issue he has with a single player?

Posted by: caps1974 | November 30, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Who cares about some petty issue he has with a single player?

Posted by: caps1974 | November 30, 2009 10:38 PM |
What issue was that?

What are you even talking about?

Ovi tried to hit the guy and the guy was turning. Ovi is dumb for not being aware of what was going on around him.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 30, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

@wtf_e_fehr

I was thinking far more than a month as a worst case scenario.

I still am.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 30, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

The hit tonight was exactly the same as the Gonchar hit - Ovi lined up a player for a shoulder to chest hit, the player dodged, and the resulting collision was knee-on-knee. Allan May made an interesting point - maybe Ovi has a technique problem. May's point was that Ovi needs to go in with his stick down, which would reduce the risk of the knee-on-knee.

Posted by: zmega | November 30, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

I wish the league would just give him 5 to shut all the whiners up.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 30, 2009 10:27 PM

You think that would make them shut up? They'd just complain that he's serving the 5 while injured so it doesn't count. I'm not up to date on the CBA, but I believe if he's not on LTIR the games he misses count.

The whiners aren't going to stop whining nor is Ovechkin going to stop hitting. The best we can hope for is Ovechkin coming back soon having realized that he's been reckless as of late and needs to tone it down.

Side note, ligament tears are still a possibility. I tore a meniscus in my knee once and walked several days (albeit with some minor pain) afterward. I'm still seriously worried that we've lost Ovie long term - knee injuries are bad news...

Then again, I'm a worrier.

Posted by: Raber | November 30, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

"With these things, the next morning you find out a lot more"

the caps will find out a lot more - no one else will know anything additional

cstanton1 said it all in the last post

after ovi's last game misconduct for the boarding - there was a discussion here about ovi needing to be aware of his surroundings and playing accordingly. it would appear that he is not completely in tune with game situations. i think every player in the league is aware of how hard ovi can hit - what ovi needs to learn is that all those guys want to *avoid* those hits. if he hasn't figured out he can intimidate without the big hit - he never will.

i hope he is ok. glad gleason is ok. i can't imagine the league would not suspend him for this.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 30, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

So "doctor" 555, what do you make of, "He had a slight limp, but he did not appear to be wearing a brace and was not using crutches?" Hmm?

Posted by: butcherbaker | November 30, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Everyone needs to chill out. OV was going mach 1 when he hit that guy. This type of incident is bound to happen with players like OV, who gives it their all every night, which is what he's getting paid $120,000,000+ for. I played hockey for 5 years and hits like this just happen.

Posted by: ejohnsto | November 30, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

OK, read closely richmondphil ... Here's what I posted:

He went for the big hit on a player he has a history with...

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 30, 2009 10:29 PM

... Who cares about some petty issue he has with a single player?

Posted by: caps1974 | November 30, 2009 10:38 PM

DId you follow the bouncing puck? cstanton1 said he has a history with Gleason. I asked who cares about some petty issue OV has with a single player? Need Craig Laughlin to get the telestrator?

Posted by: caps1974 | November 30, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

555Mass may still be entirely correct.

The fact that Tarik saw him walking doesn't mean his ACL is not torn.

There is no way at all for them to know the condition of the ligaments in his knee at this point. They haven't had time to even do an MRI.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 30, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

@Raber

It's just beyond ridiculous, I don't even care anymore. Richards and Malkin and other superstars can get the by-pass, but when it's Ovi it turns into a huge "he's the dirtiest player in the league" argument.

Give Ovi 5-10 to (potentially?) shut the whiners up. Please.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 30, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

If I had to guess based on the 35 second mark of the following video and the amount of pain he was in, I'd still guess that he has a ligament injury.

http://www.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?id=52944

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 30, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

if you are one of those people who always cry for more hits from the players then you shouldn't bi*ch and moan when something like this happens.

the fact is that this is how Ovie has always played - if not dirty but always recklessly, right on the edge. Most of the times the style has worked in his favor but tonight it didn't and he'll pay the price. hopefully it won't be too heavy.

Posted by: joek443 | November 30, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil, I agree, just give Ovi 5 games and shut the whiners up somewhat at least as far as Ovi getting preferential treatment because he's a star. It still won't shut up the people who think Ovi is intentionally dirty. But the question is, does he have to be able to come back before he can serve them? How does that work?

Posted by: dfe1 | November 30, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

I assume you were being sarcastic then with your comment in the last thread. I wasn't sure at the time.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 30, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

@tmac2yao:

The fact that he is walking without crutches is no guarantee, but don't you think that if the team believed he had a ligament tear that they would have him use crutches as a precaution?

Any thoughts anyone?

Posted by: ellinwoods | November 30, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

No crutches is a good sign but I do know that you can walk on a knee with one of those ligaments (ACL or MCL) torn but you can't make any sort of cut which still renders you unable to play.

Posted by: NFeKPo | November 30, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

@tmac

The playoffs comment? haha, yeah that was a bit of sarcasm. That was my first comment of the night, so I vented a little bit.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 30, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

@ellinwoods

I would think they would be precautionary. I am surprised he was walking on his own.

At the same time, I simply can't rule out in my mind that there could be ligament injury based on that video and the amound of pain Ovechkin was in.

I can't speak for the Caps but I've seen other professional franchises mishandle injuries in the past.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 30, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Somebody just posted this on the Caps board about his own experience with an ACL tear:

"Guys, speaking from experience, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I was able to easily walk after 30 minutes when I tore my ACL.

I had no problem walking, even had thoughts of going out and playing again, but decided not to to be safe.

It swell up, later on in the day, and I had slight limp when I walked as well.

The thing I can't really judge from the video is, was his knee planted when he got hit on the inside of it?
if it was, then it is more then likely ACL as the angle he got hit on, would put pressure on the outside of the knee if his knee is planted.
Had it been hit on the outside pushed inward, then it is MCL and that isn't serious at all.
If it is ACL though, he won't be the same again for sure.

I hope he doesn't have an ACL injury."

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 30, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

@kcbrichmond (from previous thread)

Actually I don't recall any Semin bashing tonight. I did make the comment that Semin will be even more motivated to come back on Thurday. (I also said that there's a history between Semin and Gleeson.) I also asked the question as to who Semin's line mates would be.

As anyone reading the posts here knows, I'm a Semin booster.

At the moment, there are more inviting targets than Semin to bash at the moment.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 30, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

I agree - I still expect bad news, but I have a glimmer of hope after hearing that he wasn't using crutches.

Also, I am not a medical expert and have never had a serious knee injury, but I do believe that all ligaments are not created equal. I believe an MCL tear is far less serious than an ACL. Don't know about the PCL.

Is 555Mass still here?

Posted by: ellinwoods | November 30, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

@ellinwoods

I would say it's a good sign if Ovi was walking to the team bus sans crutches. I would have thought if there was anything really serious, the team would want him to use crutches.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 30, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

cstanton has it right. We shouldn't tame the lion.

Ovi is into hits. That's a huge part of his game. When he is "sleepy" as he calls it he's not being that physical, but when he is physical he is on fire. And goals happen.

Where he needs to develop his game is to pull back back from the gray area of his aggressive play, to be not as reckless. I'm really hoping that players like Knuble can show him how he can be tough and physical and gritty but control the edge with which he plays and not let it control him.

But he has to keep the physical side of his game. That is who he is. The Caps are very skilled and have wonderful depth, but Ovi is the heart and soul of the team. I'm proud of the Caps for playing the game out so well. They kept their heads in the game.

And I'm relieved that he walked to the bus. But what we know of Ovi that's exactly what he would do. Doesn't mean that he's not still seriously hurt but he can make it to the bus on his feet!!!
He is more secretive of his injuries than GMGM. Russian machine is bent not broke.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | November 30, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Watch the replay on the video posted by tmac2yao:

There is no intention to hurt anybody. It is just shti that happens in hockey. Ovie did not stick his knee out. The refs are idiots, and if the NHL suspends him for THAT - they are even bigger idiots.

Posted by: 8andeight | November 30, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

@tmac2yao

Hopefully, it's not a ACL injury.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 30, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Karma's a female dog, ain't it Ovie McDbag

Posted by: puckheaded1 | November 30, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

What is the rule, technically-speaking, about a player trying to dodge a hit and, as a result, creating the knee-on-knee contact?

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 30, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

@ dfe1

I'm wondering how the suspension works also. Does he have to be physically able to play before the suspension kicks in.

I would normally think that since Gleeson was able to return before the end of the period, the suspension should only be a one gamer. But I think the league wants to make an example of Ovi so it may be more.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 30, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

More specifically, upon video review, if they see a player moving out of the way of a hit and, as a result of that action, actually being the one that brought his knee into the knee of the player delivering the hit, do they conclude that the player delivering the hit was not at fault?

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 30, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

You can walk on a torn ACL so not out of the woods yet. Man I hope this is just a bad bruise.

Posted by: O-V-P | November 30, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

"Watching the video, I found myself thinking it was the scariest I'd seen since Joe Theismann's injury."

Same here, I squirmed. I thought both guys had broken legs after that one.

To me, it looked like Ovie was going for a hip-check and totally misjudged it. That and the Carolina guy made a move to get out of the way and they caught knees.

I must say when I saw the replay I thought Alex was bone head for doing that. Totally in the wrong, and I love the guy.

I definately see him getting fined and probably suspended but that's minor if he's hurt and out for a long time.

Totally wreckless. If there's no damage then he's one lucky kid. If he didn't have crutches that's a good sign. I would be hard pressed to think they would let him walk around without crutches if it was significant but I guess we'll find out tomorrow.

I remember watching the NHL pre-season shows on ESPN and they asked if Ovie would get more then 65 goals this year. Everyone said "no" because they thought Alex would miss time due to injury. You definately don't want him to start playing less intense, but he's got to learn to pick his spots.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | November 30, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Again, whether there is no suspension or a 1-game suspension or a 5-game suspension, etc... and whether it is before or after he returns to the ice, I think it will be fairly insignificant compared to the news we are likely to receive in the next 48 hours or so.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 30, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

@puckheaded1--geez you trolls are out tonight like vultures. I had no idea that jealousy could make such weak pathetic people out of you trolls. You speak of karma--well karma will be paid back to you for taking pleasure in a player's injury and coming onto that message board to heckle. Go back to your team and be a better fan you sad sad person.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | November 30, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

@tmac--I agree. I am far more concerned with the severity of the injury than with suspension. People who hate are going to disagree no matter what the NHL decides.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | November 30, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Joe Beninati just said that when Kasparitis was with the team, he saw him doing wind sprints with a torn ACL (he didn't realize it at the time), so Ovi walking doesn't necessarily mean the injury isn't that bad.

Posted by: dfe1 | November 30, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

He's earned a reputation for these dirty knee incidents. Remember that the next time you're all scratching heads asking, "How come NHL fans don't love our Ovi?" I'll also go back to what I posted a couple of days ago that it is impossible for Ovechkin not to cut his career short with over-physical play. He's like Eric Lindros, but a million times dumber.

Posted by: Jumpy66 | November 30, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

it's NOT about "taming the lion", it's about Ovie playing smarter hockey.

I don't think anyone wants to him have a short career like Cam Neely - the best power forward in hockey before Ovie.

Posted by: joek443 | November 30, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Kasparaitis played for the Caps ? News to me.

Posted by: LarryDavid | November 30, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

dfe1--But he is not injuring it further by sprinting. Maybe walking to the bus, ha, ha, but not sprinting.

Jumpy66--I get aggressive and reckless but why do you say dirty. To me dirty conveys an intent to injure. And that is not Ovechkin.

And as far as I know there are now two such incidents; Gonchar and today. Why do you say it as if he's had numerous occasions. Don't need to understate it but you don't need to overstate it either.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | November 30, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Maybe now Ovechkin will have time to call Heward

Posted by: LarryDavid | November 30, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

@tmac2yao

When I tore my ACL: At the moment it was torn, it hurt like hell but after about 10 mins, I was able to go back in the game (lacrosse) and finish the game.
My knee swelled up, I didn't think much of it. Iced for next few days, it just didn't feel right. Went and saw a doctor, he stuck a needle in my injured knee, drew a lot of blood out. As soon as he saw the blood, he and I both need torn ligament (acl) no need for MRI.

Remember, I was able to go back and play (lacrosse).

Ovie took a direct hit to the knee, could not put any pressure on this knee, you could see him in pain.

Posted by: 555Mass | November 30, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

@capsyoungguns-

like there are all saints on here. fact of the matter is Ovie got what he has been deserving - a self-induced injury from his reckless play.

what about Tim Gleason? Gonchar in last year's playoffs? Patrick Kuleta? I guess these players' careers, not to mention the families they support, don't matter since they're not OV-level superstars

Posted by: puckheaded1 | November 30, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget Heward and the Briere pitchfork near the bench doors.

Posted by: LarryDavid | November 30, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

sorry for typos...it's late.

Posted by: 555Mass | November 30, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Maybe now Ovechkin will have time to call Heward

Posted by: LarryDavid | November 30, 2009 11:30 PM |

Haha..I know you're a troll and I know I shouldn't be laughing, but this had me cracking up.

A+

Posted by: richmondphil | November 30, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Joe--I agree he needs to play smarter and control the physical edge with which he plays--not let it control him. But many posters thought he should take out the physical side of his game, and that would be taming the lion.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | November 30, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

what about Tim Gleason? Gonchar in last year's playoffs? Patrick Kuleta? I guess these players' careers, not to mention the families they support, don't matter since they're not OV-level superstars

Posted by: puckheaded1 | November 30, 2009 11:31 PM |

His track record really isn't any worse than others.

He should be held accountable for his reckless plays, but Malkin, Richards, etc aren't exactly saints.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 30, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Yes, you can walk with a torn ligament. BUT if anyone thought $100 million Ovi had a torn anything, do you think they would let him walk without crutches?

Posted by: butcherbaker | November 30, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Compared to Ovechkin, Malkin is a saint

Posted by: LarryDavid | November 30, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Yes, they deal with ACL injuries everyday, what's the difference at this point, the damage is done.

Posted by: LarryDavid | November 30, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

puckheaded1--huh! Your post to me made no sense as a rejoinder. I said that you were pathetic for taking pleasure in a player's injury and coming here to gloat to that player's fanbase. That makes you jealous and a sad sad person. Nothing you posted has changed your pathetic state of being. What you said about karma--right back at you!

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | November 30, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Methinks there's some sock puppetry going on in this thread.

Posted by: jjhare | November 30, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

LarryDavid--at least you are funny. But really do you get enjoyment coming here? I gather you are a Pens fan given your Malkin comment. Personally I always enjoy Caps/Pens games--great athletes great play. But I wouldn't go onto a Pens message board to gloat after an injury to Crosby or Malkin. I don't wish ill on other teams' players.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | November 30, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

@capsyoungguns-

so by avoiding the issue i raised that's tacit agreement with what i posted. what's the problem again?

Posted by: puckheaded1 | November 30, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

puckheaded1:

or maybe he just don't give a rats what you said?

Posted by: jjhare | November 30, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

@jjhare

you're right. it's not like he bothered posting several replies

Posted by: puckheaded1 | November 30, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

puckheaded1:
based on your comments you must believe ovi is out to hurt people. i'm not trying to change your opinion. i do disagree with "fact of the matter is Ovie got what he has been deserving - a self-induced injury from his reckless play" - but i will say that his style (aggressive) brought this on for himself. at 6'2" ~225lbs - he needs to be able to assess what has the potential to be dangerous and back off of the play accordingly. i've never been *happy* to see any player get hurt - for anyone wishing that or being glad it happened is just sad

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 30, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

my buddy had a torn acl and still walked around everyday until his scheduled surgery.

Posted by: rh71 | December 1, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

This is a very interesting debate, and its unfortunate that it comes such a short timespan after his hit on Kaleta. That fact, in itself, will cause all the Ovechkin haters to call him a dirty player, a goon, whatever.

However, I will say this: I have watched 99% of the games since OV joined the league, and this was definitely his most dirty hit (along with the Gonchar hit). I saw comments elsewhere that said that because he didn't get suspended then, he shouldn't now, and I must say that, although it's a double standard, I completely disagree. The league is not going to suspend the game's best player in the playoffs, pretty much no matter what he does. In this case, however, OV deserves a suspension. Those who say that this hit was not dirty are blindly supporting OV. This is a dangerous hit, and a dirty one. He leads with his knee, and it is painfully obvious. He deserves 2 games, but I suspect he gets 3-5.

Heck of a game by Schultz, Theo and Backs. Flash could have had 3 goals, but he seemed just a bit out of synch tonight. Great win though, given the circumstances.

I still cannot get over the Ballard thing. It is absurd, and he should be suspended (even though it's on his own team)

Posted by: Aldred15 | December 1, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

You're right Jihare--I don't give a rat's about puckheaded1's opinion, but I do think he is a lame individual for coming here and gloating. Makes him a small person. I notice too that he has not addressed my post to him. Must not be a terribly reflective pathetic person.
Capt_Kirk--couldn't have said it better. You are being very classy with the troll.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | December 1, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

@Raber

On Ovi's injury, I'm a worrier too.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | December 1, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

@LarryDavid, he did call Heward, and they talked. You can find a copy of it just about anywhere.

Posted by: dfe1 | December 1, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Bothers me that he did it. I'm extremely disappointed because he's simply the best player in the league and it makes me cringe that others had to watch him do this. Two game misconducts in the last two weeks. Not good.

Posted by: blanknerc | December 1, 2009 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Cheef | December 1, 2009 1:08 AM | Report abuse

As long as there is a threat of a suspension in the air the Caps will not disclose about any injury. Get the suspension over and then discuss the injury. Nobody wants to miss 4 weeks and then have to sit two games out when they come back, and often like with the police arrests what you say can be used against you later....its sports version of lawyering up.

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | December 1, 2009 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Ovie is probably my fav washington player ever (given my age and the Nats being only 5yrs old)

If he wants to maintain his level of ability at 30yrs of age, he needs to STOP hitting people the way he does - He is only asking for a 'Scott Stevens' type of hit.

Posted by: Nats1924 | December 1, 2009 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Having played hockey through college, the hit was dirty. Just as it was last year in the playoffs, just as the boarding hit was. If you haven't played serious hockey, you just don't know. He knows it was dirty, as does BB, as does fat Ted, and every other player in the league. At least we are in the worst division in hockey, so we can survive this. He needs to be careful, once you get the repeat offender tag - you don't lose it.

Posted by: IamThehockeyGod | December 1, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

It seems like I'm seeing a lot of negative posts from users with screen names I don't recognize.

Anyhow, here's how I saw it. Ovechkin went to make a hit. The guy saw him coming and made a nice sharp move to avoid the hit. Instead of letting it go Ovechkin continued to try to make the hit which resulted in a fairly substantial knee on knee collision.

So, let's say that's the case. What's the solution? If the hit is there take it, if not don't. But, these are decisions happening at lightning fast speed and sometimes incidents like this will happen.

Posted by: BetterOffWithFedorov | December 1, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

That sounds like potential good news with Ovi. Although I think he deserves a game or two - even though it was not intentional. If a player skates with his stick in the air, he may not "intentionally" be trying to hurt someone, but he still gets the penalty. I don't want him to lose his intensity becuase that is part of what makes him so dangerous - most forwards in the league don't want to initiate contact like Ovi.

The team has proven they can play well without him if needed. Hopefully Semin will be back for next game.

Posted by: Grape8 | December 1, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

@iamthehockeygod

Obviously you are not if you thought that the "boarding" call the other night was dirty. Heck it was marginally boarding since the player turned into the boards to avoid the hit.

As for last nights...stupid, reckless, inexcusable, and dangerous. Dirty...who knows as we will never know either players intentions.

Posted by: hart2014 | December 1, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

In these sports it is practically impossible to determine "intent". Be it a hit or a high stick or a knee. I really don't think anyone intends to injure anyone - sometimes they do wish to make them feel the hit. The penalties are automatic and the suspensions and the injuries that come out of them are variable. Some players play harder or more reckless towards themselves tend also to apply more vigor against others. The game is partly mental. "Don't try to skate down his side of the ice because he may be physical with you". Its the same in football - a running back will try and run away from Albert Haynesworth if they can. The intent is always to complete the play - anybody would love to have OV on their team with them because he intimidates and changes outcomes of the game. A little more reckless than others - but it gets them thinking and trying to avoid him.

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | December 1, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Ovechkin has been playing this way for years now. It was bound to catch up to him sooner or later. He is playing without regard to the sport - his only regard is to himself. I hope he learns a lesson from this and quits playing so dirty.

Posted by: jonguild | December 1, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

For all his talent, Ovie continues to be one of the dirtiest players in the league. How many players' careers are threatened when their teams play the Caps? That's not how I would want to win the Cup. If you remember last year in the playoffs he tried to hurt Gonchar in the Pens series.

Posted by: notindc1 | December 1, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

@hart: The hit was from behind into the boards, this is the definition of boarding - marginally or not.

And all of you who talk about the speed of hockey, just because a guy makes a move and you miss with your shoulder, DOES NOT mean stick out your knee. It is incredibly dirty and dangerous. BB was watching the nacho vendor if that is actually what he thought happened!

Posted by: IamThehockeyGod | December 1, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

@iamthehockeygod

No it wasn't a hit from behind...He checked him in the left shoulder and Kaleta turned into the boards trying to avoid the hit. Number 1 hockey lesson...Don't turn into the boards to avoid a hit you will get hurt. More and more guys are doing that and getting hurt and more are getting suspended and Penalized for boarding.

Ovi should get minimum of 2 games for being stupid.

Posted by: hart2014 | December 1, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

@Aldred15

If I am the Florida Panthers organization Ballard sits for a minimum of 5 games without Pay. What a moronic thing to do.

Posted by: hart2014 | December 1, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

@hart: Not to get technical, but the number one hockey rule is keep your head up. Number two, keep your stick on the ice.

And you've proven yourself not to have played the game before. The best way to avoid injuries on the boards is to turn just as the hit is coming. Do you know when that is not possible? From behind or the blind side, and what are Ovi's biggest hits... from behind and the blind side. He is just begging to hurt someone or himself.

Posted by: IamThehockeyGod | December 1, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

All of u who are calling OV one of the most dirty players in hockey...please! He made a reckless hit...not dirty! Nobody intentionally knees another player...thats way to risky to yourself as well as the other player! He needs to learn to think more before he makes huge hits. OV definitely deserves a suspension, but when people who are obviously not caps fans say these types of things sound petty and envious. You all know that if he was on your team you would be supper happy!

Posted by: capscoach | December 1, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Who said he was one of the most dirty players? His last couple of games, he has had dirty plays, no matter who does them. And who on here is not a Caps fan?

Posted by: IamThehockeyGod | December 1, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

@iamthehockeygod

Not going to argue with you but hey maybe if Kaleta had of kept his head up he wouldn't have hit his face into the boards

Doesn't matter...everyone who thinks that Ovi is a dirty player should spend a couple of hours watching Avery or Domi or Kostitsyn or Lucic or well you get the point

Posted by: hart2014 | December 1, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

@hart: Please add Hartnell to that list.

Posted by: IamThehockeyGod | December 1, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

@iamthehockeygod

Oh yes...forgot about him. Wish people could just look at this objectively. Has Ovi ever made a dirty hit...Hell yes...See Briere...Is he a "dirty" player...I don't think so. He doesn't go out to intentionally antagonize and hurt people ala Avery. He just plays physically and has total brain farts and does stupid irresponsible stuff...See Briere, Gonchar, Gleason.

Posted by: hart2014 | December 1, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Thats exactly what I just said! He makes exceedingly reckless plays, and that is something that must change, however I classify a dirty play as a play in which a player is intentionlly trying to hurt another. Ex) Ballard ht on Vokoun...crazy reckless...but not dirty

Posted by: capscoach | December 1, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I think there is a fine line between being reckless and dirty. Why is it that these so called "reckless" hits involve Ovie? Why do they typically involve knee injuries? It's not a coincidence folks. We aren't talking about hitting someone hard in the corners. God forbid that Ovie goes into the corners. These are open ice knee on knee hits. He is becoming an embarrassment to the Caps.

Posted by: notindc1 | December 1, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Lots of interesting comments so far so I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents.

1- Personally, I don't think Ovi's knee-on-knit was an intentional/dirty hit, but it certainly was reckless/dangerous. From watching the replay, like others have said, it looked like he had an opportunity to pull off and just didn't. Since the NHL is trying to cut down on dangerous plays, I think they would be right to suspend him as this isn't the first time he's made a reckless/dangerous play. And I'm not talking about the hit on Kaleta the other night, but plays like the Peverley slew-foot (I don't think that play was intentional either, but still reckless).

2- As others have said in the various threads since the hit, it doesn't mean anything that Ovi hasn't received an MRI yet. The swelling has to go down before an MRI would be useful. It also doesn't mean anything that he was walking without crutches as he could still have a torn ACL or other injury.

3- Any number of possible injuries could have occured from a deep bone bruise, a torn meniscus or a torn ligament. IMHO, the probable best case scenario is that it's a bruise or something that will heal on its own with time, but that Ovi will miss at least a month of action. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he's unable to skate for at least a few weeks.

Posted by: cainoo7x | December 1, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

This is his 2nd knee hit...OV gets a lot more attention for bad hits than most players because of who he is. While I despise what he did, he is not dirty and while this incident is embaressing...I hardly think the Caps want to disown him or anything. It is especially unfortunate that this happened right after a boarding call (that was ridiculous). It makes everthing bigger. I am not defending the hit, but I don't think his flaws come anywhere near his benefits.

Posted by: capscoach | December 1, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

IamThehockeyGod;
dude I have been playing competetive hockey for almost 30 years. The Conchar hit, last nights hit and even the boarding the other night happened so f-ing fast. While not smart, dirty would be difficult to believe as he also was turning in with his shoulder. It's not like he threw his knee out there to trip him up. Also the boarding as stated above was similar as the guy turned at the last second. He would have been slammed but not like that had he not turned - which is why he was fined or suspended. And not that it makes it any better but I believe OV was speared not to soon before that which may explain a lot of anger and desire to nail someone. OV is not a dirty player but an extremely agressive player and thus he hits and gets hit. It is actually why I love his game so much cause he doesn't cry when he gets hit, he just gets up and continues same as Bondra did.
The dirty players are the guys who spear you, trip you while you are skating away, punch you in the head during a face offs and so on.
BTW - I once scored on a shift after breaking my knee cap slamming into the baords and didn't know til the next day.

Posted by: Iceman10 | December 1, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

that guy is a classless cheap shot artist and everyone not wearing red knows it.

Posted by: sean1smith | December 1, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

i fear ovy is done for the year.....too much data shows you can even run on a blown acl. oh well. here's to the cup in 2011

Posted by: CF11555 | December 1, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

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