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Ovechkin skates, new lines

With Ovechkin out of the lineup, Coach Bruce Boudreau has adjusted his forward lines. Here's what they look like at the moment:

Laich-Backstrom-Semin
Fleischmann-Morrison-Fehr
Giroux-Perreault-Clark
Sloan-Steckel-Bradley

Wearing orange jerseys are:

Ovechkin-Beagle-Knuble

The only defenseman not skating is Shaone Morrisonn, who is taking a few days off from practice as he recovers from a concussion.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  December 2, 2009; 11:04 AM ET
 
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Comments

I didn't know Beagle was hurt. What happened?

Posted by: uncatim | December 2, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Great to see....especially after what we saw as he was helped off the ice.

Go Caps!

Posted by: rdiehljr | December 2, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

BetterOffWithFedorov: I hope you do not officiate any games that I coach. Yes, the minor is assessed based on the leg trip, but the 5 minute major and game misconduct are supposed to be based on intent. Was the intent to injure, or did they just get caught out of position? In youth hockey a game misconduct also means they automatically miss the next game. In the NHL intent determines suspension. Again, I hope you don't officiate any of our games because if you hand out 5 minute majors and a game misconduct for a basic leg trip you are not applying rules properly.

Posted by: fanohock1 | December 2, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

From previous short thread:

This is the kind of crap being spread on the TSN boards: "If you took away Ovie's skill and his status in the NHL and just watched him skate around and throw body-checks he would be a Russian version of Patrick Kaleta. No one likes Kaleta they say he is a pest that hits to hurt....his checks are exactly like Ovie's just the league and the fans look the other way bceause Ovie is a superstar. Since day one in the NHL every single check AO has delivered could be flagged for Charging or Boarding."

"If you took away Ovie's skill and his status in the NHL and just watched him skate around and throw body-checks he would be a Russian version of Patrick Kaleta." WHAT THE HECK? The only reason he has the status in the NHL he does have is because of this skill. If you take any player's skill away they become expendable. I can't believe some dislike Ovi this bad. Um, dah, if you take Crosby's skill away, he wouldn't be a good hockey player, dah.

Posted by: fanohock1 | December 2, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

uncatim, I don't think Beagle's hurt, just centering the line and likely to be scratched/sent down.

Posted by: koalatek | December 2, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Also from previous short thread:

To piggy back on roccky's complaint about Cooke. Not only did he not receive a penalty or suspension for ending Donovan's season (possibly career they are saying too), followed up by a knee on knee to Erik Cole the very next night, and nothing.

The ONLY reason I am OK with Ovi getting a suspension is maybe non-Ovi fans will get pacified and he can just move on. I don't think he will change his game, nor should he. He is an exciting hockey player. Joe B said that it looked like the Beatles (famous rock n roll band for you really young people) were staying in Ovi's hotel in Montreal. Joe B even said people were chanting his name on the street

Finally, I don't agree with it, but maybe, just maybe, the NHL has chosen to take this opportunity to send a message to the rest of the league by suspending one of the biggest names in the league. There have been a lot of superstars knocked out of line-ups by questionable hits this season. For the record, I believe Ovi's calls were subjective ones that could have gone either way. I DO NOT think Ovi is a dirty player. Just a player with dirty and sick skills.

Posted by: fanohock1 | December 2, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Thanks koalatek.

Posted by: uncatim | December 2, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

So is Semin playing on Thursday or not?

Posted by: BACKS | December 2, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

@fanohock1 - Untrue.

Severity of the hit is what determines major/minor penalty in this case, NOT intent. Intent does not come into play until match penalty is called.

The game misconduct is automatic with the major penalty, as it is in several other instances in the NHL rulebook.

The match penalty's time portion is 5 minutes; the player is charged 10 minutes for a match penalty. The difference between a game misconduct and a match penalty is that the match penalty carries the 5 minute shorthanded portion. Of course, this is covered when a game misconduct is issued concurrent with a 5-minute major, so I'm not sure of the difference there... gonna go ask now.

Rule 50 - Kneeing

50.1 Kneeing - Kneeing is the act of a player leading with his knee and in
some cases extending his leg outwards to make contact with his opponent.

50.2 Minor Penalty - The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a minor
penalty, based on the severity of the infraction, to a player guilty of
kneeing an opponent.

50.3 Major Penalty - The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a major
penalty, based on the severity of the infraction, to a player guilty of
kneeing an opponent (see 50.5).

50.4 Match Penalty – The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a match
penalty if, in his judgment, the player attempted to or deliberately injured his opponent by kneeing.

50.5 Game Misconduct Penalty - When a player has been assessed a major penalty for kneeing he shall also be assessed a Game Misconduct.

50.6 Fines and Suspensions - There are no specified fines or suspensions for kneeing, however, supplementary discipline can be applied by the Commissioner at his discretion (refer to Rule 29).

Posted by: irockthered | December 2, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

"In an informal poll, TSN asked 25 NHL players whether they viewed Ovechkin as a hard-hitting player, or more often as a reckless and dirty player.

Eight of the 17 players who responded to the question said they regard Ovechkin as a very good, hard-hitting player, while seven consider him to be both reckless and dirty.

Two NHL players said he is normally very hard hitting, but that recently he has been reckless.

Detroit Red Wings forward Brad May is one of the 17 players who participated in the anonymous poll, but May asked that his opinion on Ovechkin to be revealed.

He said he saw no reason for the NHL to suspend Ovechkin for the hit on Gleason.

"Incidental contact! Remember, it's a physical game," said May. "People forget that. I have no issue with him. He's fast and aggressive and stuff happens.""

Posted by: richmondphil | December 2, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

NHL player's opinions >>>>>> fans opinions.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 2, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

irockthered: Anything left to an officials discretion means that intent has to be determined. For example the knee on knee is an automatic 2 minutes. How many times have you seen players helped off the ice and a 2 minute minor assessed? The answer many. Cooke has already gotten without a major twice in the last two weeks. To jump from 2 to 5, the official will decide whether or not the intent was to simply trip, or cause injury. No Colonel Sanders, you're wrong.

Posted by: fanohock1 | December 2, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Is this the year Fehr knocks Clark out of the top-9?

Ovechkin, Laich, Flash at LW.
Knuble, Semin, Fehr at RW.

Peace and harmony. This ship is about to sail without the captain.

Posted by: VladG | December 2, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

RichmondPhil, I have a lot of respect for May for not concealing his identity.

For all of those who skate and play hockey, can one explain to me exactly how you turn hard right, keep both skates in contact with the ice and not lead with the right knee??? I am by far not that great of an Ice skater, but it seems to me, that in order to turn right or left, you must lean your body in that direction to counter act inertia. I can figure out, as I must be doing something wrong, how you lean to the right or left and keep both skates on the ice without bending your inside knee?

And with that knee bent, it has to be in front of ("LEADING") the other one since our knee only bends one way???

I can see if Ovi extended his right leg so that it was straight and cause the guy harm, but he seemed to be turning rather hard to the right to hit the guy and I can't see how he would do that with out his right knee leading hist left knee and not being bent.

Explanation would be great!

Posted by: hbcapsfan | December 2, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Florida is going to be dragging into town tomorrow.

Monday @ Atlanta where their goalie gets a baseball bat to the dome from his own guy.
Tonight vs. Colorado only to jump on a plane right after and head to D.C

Caps have 2 days rest...they "should" dominate play...

Posted by: SA-Town | December 2, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I like that orange jersey line, that's a BIG line and Beagle would be in hog heaven if he got the opp. to center that line one day

Posted by: BBDwrestling | December 2, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I played a lot of hockey.

I whole-heartedly disagree that Ovi intentionally stuck his knee out. He was simply doing as you said; leading with his right knee. Gleason turned, and they connected awkwardly. "Incidental contact." That said, Ovi could have been able to have avoided the collision in this manner, had he decided to play it a bit smarter and not just go in for the hit. (Presumably, because Gleason hit Backstrom 15-20 seconds earlier)

I thought Ovi was going to get suspended, and I was actually expecting more than 2 games. However, to even think that he just stuck his knee out, ala Laraque, is a laughable argument.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 2, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

@fanhock, re: what people right on the tsn boards and other boards, first, 99% of the time, they're pens fans. They're always saying that superstars aren't supposed to play "rough". They just can't seem to figure out that that's what makes Ovi so unique.

Posted by: dfe1 | December 2, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Ovi is NOT a dirty player. People around the league and non-Caps fans are just jealous. Everyone is quick to knock the top dog.

Posted by: capsfan01 | December 2, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Are any of you at Kettler today? Does Ovi look OK? Is he skating hard and making hard cuts? Basically, does it look like he'd be able to play tomorrow if he wasn't suspended?

Posted by: fanohock1 | December 2, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I've been rocking the red for two full years, so I know hockey.

I'm glad to see that Ovie's all right, because he was sure writhing around on the ice for a long time, like he had been shot by Claudine Longet.

Maybe Ovie can use some of that reckless energy to play defense now...

Posted by: sloth10k | December 2, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

With Ovi suspended, is he allowed to wear a suit and be on the bench? That would prove useful at least in the Flyer game, because he could yell at Richards all night.

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 2, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

the issue i saw with ovie's move on gleason is that he came in gliding with a wide stance. not sure why ovie does this, but it does help with balance and helps absorb a hit. with a wide base, it is a bit harder to make quick turns and since your weight is usually pretty evenly distributed, it's harder to pull a leg back and avoid contact. this is why it's clear that ovie didnt stick his leg out to initiate contact, but he sure didnt pull it back to avoid the contact once gleason moved to the inside.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 2, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

@fanohock1 - Sorry, dearling. Read the rules. I assure you I did, and I also asked the NHL Officials' Association.

INTENT is used in the match penalty only. NOT in the 5-minute vs. 2-minute.

Now, I cannot speak for an individual referee, and I know that the pair that were on the ice for this particular game have a pro-home-team bias that is greater than the average, but it is SUPPOSED to be called based on the severity of the hit.

Knee-on-knee does NOT constitute "Kneeing" per the rules.

LEADING WITH THE KNEE is what constitutes Kneeing.

Do I personally think this was a 5-minute major kneeing penalty, based on the many different angles I've seen it from? It depends on the angle. From some angles, YES, absolutely, 5-minute major. From others, maybe a 2-minute minor, maybe no penalty at all, like with the Gonchar hit last year.

The referee has ONE angle to see things from, and ONE chance to see it right or wrong. Do I believe the NHL was deliberately looking for Ovechkin to mess up so that they could suspend him? Maybe not quite that far, but I do believe they watch certain players more than others, and Ovechkin, with his recent "5-minute boarding major," which by all accounts was no such thing, has just made the NHL's Most-Wanted list.

@hbcapsfan - The bent knee, yes, is the leading knee. As I see it, when you skate forward with your knee bent, and drive it, patella-first, into another player, that is "leading with the knee".

From what I saw, the contact was between the front of Gleason's knee and the side of Ovechkin's. That, IMO, does not constitute Kneeing in the sense of the rule. The official on the ice may have seen something I did not - it's what they are trained to do.

I do need to clarify whether it has to be patella-first contact to count as Kneeing in the penalty sense of the word. I'd originally thought Kneeing was like kicking, in that you had to have your foot off the ice to execute the move, but that does not appear to be the case, given the way the rule is written.

Posted by: irockthered | December 2, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

@RichmondPhil;
I mentioned somehwere else but I'll reiterate -
I have played competetive hockey for almost 30 years. YES your knee turns out in the direction you go. That hit happened so dang fast it was a natural reaction for OV to turn with the player he was trying to hit plus he was leading with his shoulder which shows no malcontent. However if he had lead more with his stick that wouldn't have happened or at least not so dramatic. With all that said, when I was watching the game I figured a 2 minute was all he was going to get, then when he was tossed I was like WTF?? Same as in the last game as the guy turned at just the last second else that would have been a great check.
I always kind of laugh when people say he can do whatever cause he's a superstar, I recall sitting in the stands the year after the lockout in my new Season Tix and talking to everyone around me...who the HEll is that guy, he's awesome!

Posted by: Iceman10 | December 2, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

sloth10K: First of all the fact that you have been watching the Capitals since they became competitive does not grant you enough experience to proclaim "I know hockey." Second, Ovi is tied for 5th in the league in +/- at a plus 13.

Not sure why many of you still knock his defensive effort. I have seen Ovi backchecking so hard on odd man rushes this season that he is often the 1st forward back. Those of you that have DVR's and think that Ovi just cherry picked for a breakaway, I challenge you to rewind and watch slowly. He just sees the game a play of two ahead of most hockey players. He will usually be in his defensive position see the puck going to a team mate and break like a bat out of he double hockey sticks and get hit with a pass. That isn't cherry picking that is applying hockey sense that is not taught.

Posted by: fanohock1 | December 2, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

The best news is that Ovi's out there skating. At that game I was worried about his possible injury. Not possible suspension. As for the suspension it is what it is--deal with and move on. But thank goodness that Ovi will be back in the lineup soon.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | December 2, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

sloth10k, You have just been recruited by the Doofus Brigade newly formed Battalion "O".....you are to report immediately with your vast two years of hockey knowledge. Ovechkin turns on his two way game when he needs to, playoff time. Now pick up your Don Cherry style Doofus uniform and fall in line soldier.

hut, two, three, four......

Posted by: PhilR | December 2, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

irock, the rule stats that kneeing is leading with the knee not necessarily contact with the knee. there is no requirement that the top of the knee has to make contact first. nor does it make the distinction between skate being on the ice vs off. however, i would suggest having your skate off the ice suggests worse intent than having your skate on the ice.

if you stick your leg out, not knee first, and make contact, it's tripping. the distinction in the rule is there because kneeing, as we have seen, can be particularly dangerous to both players.

it was a penalty based upon the rules, and it should be. you can argue about major or minor. but with two guys on the ice in pain, its not a stretch to see why the refs felt it was a severe infraction at the time. did the fact that it was ovie and he had just incurred a major/misconduct two games ago come into play...probably.. but i think it was still the right call at the time.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 2, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I've been rocking the red for two full years, so I know hockey.

I'm glad to see that Ovie's all right, because he was sure writhing around on the ice for a long time, like he had been shot by Claudine Longet.

Maybe Ovie can use some of that reckless energy to play defense now...

Posted by: sloth10k | December 2, 2009 12:20 PM |

Wow.....two full years? your light years ahead of most of us then. I stayed at the Holiday Inn Express last nite...I know EVERYTHING!

Posted by: Capsfannmiss | December 2, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

@dcsportsfan1 - I believe that's pretty much what I said. It isn't the knee-on-knee contact part that makes this a Kneeing penalty of any stripe. It's the leading with the knee part.

Ovechkin could have hit Gleason in the butt with his knee, and it still would be leading with the knee, and a kneeing penalty (albeit an amusing one).

You can be called for tripping with your leg, your stick, your hand... your nose, if it's big enough and in the wrong place. Kneeing is ONLY a hit with the knee.

I have to assume it means patella-first. Nobody would hurt someone else hitting them with the side of their knee, and the reason it's a penalty in the first place, and in the physical category, is the potential for injury.

My argument for whether or not it is a penalty is based SOLELY on the one angle I saw it from initially. In later views, it clearly does appear to me that Ovechkin led with his knee, albeit unintentionally, and most probably in large part due to his wide stance (something that Perreault also does). Had the referee been standing someplace else, he might not have called a penalty at all.

The referees get ONE shot, at speed. We have the benefit of multiple views, instant replay, frame-by-frame... I believe I said that if I'd seen it from the angle I saw it in replay later (which is the most likely angle for the referee to have seen it from), then I would probably call kneeing, too.

Posted by: irockthered | December 2, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

@PhilR - I believe the O Brigade has to wear maroon velvet, right?

Posted by: irockthered | December 2, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Now, I cannot speak for an individual referee, and I know that the pair that were on the ice for this particular game have a pro-home-team bias that is greater than the average, but it is SUPPOSED to be called based on the severity of the hit.

@irockthered,

Just curious, how do you know that the pair of refs have a home-team bias? Would love to see that kind of database.

Posted by: CTCapsPhan | December 2, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

irock, i hadnt thought about it being a penalty for kneeing someone in the butt, but i guess its possible per the rules. maybe something crosby would get penalized for (although then it would probably be kneeding or needing vs kneeing)...

i think based upon a typical hockey players physiology, it would have to be kneecap first. ovie is amazing, but i doubt even he could lead with something other than the front of his knee!

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 2, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

@CTCapsPhan--go to the link above to Japers--they did an analysis of the refs's calls across the league and found that there was significant statistical disparity across the league among refs showing favoritism towards the home team--there were a few not so surprising refs (including the one we all love to hate) that were nearly double in their favoritism. But it wasn't necessarily preferential treatment for a particular team, rather it was for the home team. Interesting read. Refs are human too.

However, having said that I hope the refs now stop with the overcalling on Ovi. There has been an assumption of guilt on the part of the refs in the games that Ovi's conduct warrants majors which led to he suspension. One can start a fire by fanning the smoke. Now that Campbell has thrown water on the whole affair, I hope that the refs' attention moves to other more suspension worthy players who have been getting 2 minute minors instead

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | December 2, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Now now, we don't need to be making fun of people for only being two years into the sport. I recall a number of regulars here who didn't know the intricacies of +/- calculation not so long ago.

On the other hand, I'd never claim 2 years of watching hockey is vast experience, either :-p

I tire of people claiming Ovie doesn't play D. Also, as many people have pointed out, this is purely a freak accident due to aggressive *skating* technique and not malicious. Try making a high-speed tight turn on the ice without leading your inside knee. It's not physically possible. Should he have given up on the hit as Gleason ducked away? Maybe... but to me this is more akin to a high-sticking call; it's just something that can happen in the flow of the game. Penalize and move on. Had his knee been out while he was skating away from Gleason that's another story.

Posted by: snakegriffin | December 2, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

YES your knee turns out in the direction you go. That hit happened so dang fast it was a natural reaction for OV to turn with the player he was trying to hit plus he was leading with his shoulder which shows no malcontent. However if he had lead more with his stick that wouldn't have happened or at least not so dramatic. With all that said, when I was watching the game I figured a 2 minute was all he was going to get, then when he was tossed I was like WTF?? Same as in the last game as the guy turned at just the last second else that would have been a great check.
I always kind of laugh when people say he can do whatever cause he's a superstar, I recall sitting in the stands the year after the lockout in my new Season Tix and talking to everyone around me...who the HEll is that guy, he's awesome!

Posted by: Iceman10 | December 2, 2009 12:39 PM |

Hey, I agree with you. I am just stating that Ovi did not intentionally stick his leg out like that. Like you said, Ovi could've definetely been smarter on the play; ie; not leading with his leg.

I am just defending him against the insinuations that he stuck his knee out. Howver, I felt a 5/10 was warranted in this situation. The Kaleta incident? Not so much..maybe a 2/2 would've been more like it.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 2, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I tire of people claiming Ovie doesn't play D. Also, as many people have pointed out, this is purely a freak accident due to aggressive *skating* technique and not malicious. Try making a high-speed tight turn on the ice without leading your inside knee. It's not physically possible. Should he have given up on the hit as Gleason ducked away? Maybe... but to me this is more akin to a high-sticking call; it's just something that can happen in the flow of the game. Penalize and move on. Had his knee been out while he was skating away from Gleason that's another story.

Posted by: snakegriffin | December 2, 2009 1:11 PM |

Ovie plays a great two-way game..when he wants to.

He just doesn't want to most of the time, and to be quite honest with you, I am okay with that. Why risk getting injured playing a two-way game when you don't need to? Ovie can seemingly turn it on/off like a switch as well; see playoffs.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 2, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Enough talk already - drop the damn puck. LET'S GO CAPS. LET'S GO CAPS. LET'S GO CAPS.

Posted by: Jonathan6 | December 2, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

@fanohock1
I saw the second half of practice. Ovi was participating, but not in the contact drills/scrimmages. He skated around, took shots at the end with the others, but also was stationary quite a bit. I am not an expert, but I don't think he would play tomorrow even if he was allowed to.

I am hopeful for Semin tomorrow -- he had on the red jersey with Backs and Brooksie. Semin and Nicky did not stay for the shots at the end.

Posted by: Steakum | December 2, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I am in full agreement that anyone claiming "expert" status after only two years of hockey watching gets an immediate promotion to Captain w/o need for OTS.

I believe sloth10K above was assigned to Oscar Company, which is to be staffed by Ovechkin bashers. And I believe I detected an Andy Williams reference with that "been shot by Claudine Longet" comment.

Therefore O Company shall henceforth be assigned to perform rifle cleaning for the brigade. That and they must listen to "Moon River" played repeatedly, 16 hours a day, while being surrounded by huge posters of George Peppard.

And, oh yes, maroon plaid on velvet is the uniform.

Hut, two, three, four!
When Ovi's back he'll surely score!

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 2, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I think sloth10k is trolling - never seen him before combined with a provocative/stupid/inane statement means troll unless proven otherwise. I would not even honor him with the Doofus brigade. Trolls must be ignored and not fed.

Posted by: hook99 | December 2, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Knee-to-knee is a pretty bright line, you can end someone's career - hence the punishment. I love Ovie and I still say he's reckless more than anything but I've played pretty much my whole life, and kneeing is really bad, there's no way around it.

Bobby Orr's career got ended because of a hit like that, when he was like 29. When you react as fast and skate as well as Ovie - i.e., better than anyone in the world, pretty much - I don't buy that he had no choice. You simply can't take out a guy's knee, and they're both lucky this wasn't worse. Lesson learned, hopefully.

Posted by: govtimbo | December 2, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: richmondphil | December 2, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Ovi has certainly taken a beating over this. A great number of bashings from north of the border. They claim that he has no respect for the game.

Wasn't Mr. Hockey reckless? What constitutes a Gordie Howe hat trick? Goal, assist and fight right? Gordie has taken a liking to Ovechkin for his style of play. Additionally to say he does not respect the game is incorrect. He stood quietly and listened while Gordie spoke.

A couple of quotes from Mr. Hockey himself.

"There's 18 guys sitting down and he's the only one who jumped up to shake my hand," Howe said. "He shows respect for the older players."

"I had some old fellas teach me the follow-through, and the follow-through means anybody coming from the front wasn't going to hurt me," Howe said. "They'd eat the paint off the blade. Wasn't dirty, it was protection. They'd duck or veer off."

Duck or veer off. Wow that sounds familiar to the last two majors received by Ovi. Kaleta ducked and Gleason veered.

Posted by: fanohock1 | December 2, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=501269&cmpid=rss-kimelman

The link to the Gordie Howe interview and visit with Ovi.

Posted by: fanohock1 | December 2, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

@CTCapsPhan - It was posted a couple of days ago on Japer's Rink. Here is the link:

Stripes and Increased Home Ice Advantage

The two referees in question were Brad Meier (11.64% more calls against the away team, vs. the average of 5.82%) and Steve Kozari (7.90%).

Posted by: irockthered | December 2, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil- thanks for that, i needed a laugh today

Posted by: Chad8 | December 2, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

@dcsportsfan1 - Yep! Exactly so. It doesn't have to be knee-on-knee to qualify for a Kneeing penalty.

As a side note, the NHLOA says they call the penalty in most situations on the player doing the checking, not the player being checked. So even if it wasn't technically Ovechkin's fault, this Kneeing penalty would have been called on him anyway, because he was the guy doing the checking, not the guy with the puck.

@tominfl1 - For a Doofus Brigade Catalog of Available Uniforms, check here:

http://doncherryjacketwatch.wordpress.com/

Posted by: irockthered | December 2, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Sloth's comment is getting quite the laugh over at Pensblog. I can't say I've ever heard of another team's fans being so obsessed with another team's star. I mean yeah, we make fun of Crosby here, but those guys are at a completely different level...

Posted by: snakegriffin | December 2, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

@hbcapsfan physics aside, the point of the NHL is that Ovi should have skated passed without engaging in contact once Gleason turned. The intent is to prevent knee on knee injuries. The only other way to make contact would be to leave your feet and throw a shoulder, also a penalty.

It is very hard not to try and make the hit but it is something Ovi needs to learn. He is now on the naughty list with CC so he will be suspended every time he gets a 5 and game for kneeing, boarding, elbowing, charging, etc.

Posted by: cadlecreek1 | December 2, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

IMO Stecks and Brads should be the 3rdline.

Posted by: jgrasse | December 2, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm with snakegriffin about an hour ago. Bottom line is there was no intent to hurt. Ovie was wrongly made an example out of. I, for one, hope he continues to go full-bore. Anybody ever ask a player to give 90%?

Posted by: gonchpup | December 2, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

@irock - The major penalty occurs when the kneeing is "severe." As I read the rule, this means severity not in terms of the impact or result but in terms of how much the player leads with the knee or extends the leg, i.e., whether the skating motion is abnormal. I didn't detect that with Ovi. The match penalty is for intent to injure "by kneeing." Ovi certainly intended to make hard contact (with his shoulder, not his knee in my opinion), and hard contact can cause injury. But the rules don't contemplate banning hard contact generally. So it seems to me that, under the rule, Ovi should have received 2 minutes only for leading with his knee, but not to a severe or abnormal degree. This contrasts with other hits that have been mentioned (Laraque, Potvin). And no match penalty since Ovi's intent was not to injure by kneeing, but to hit hard with his shoulder.

Posted by: zmega | December 2, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

@CTCapsPhan - It was posted a couple of days ago on Japer's Rink. Here is the link:

Stripes and Increased Home Ice Advantage

The two referees in question were Brad Meier (11.64% more calls against the away team, vs. the average of 5.82%) and Steve Kozari (7.90%).

Posted by: irockthered | December 2, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the link. It is so interesting that they even did this kind of study.

Posted by: CTCapsPhan | December 2, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

@hbcapsfan physics aside, the point of the NHL is that Ovi should have skated passed without engaging in contact once Gleason turned. The intent is to prevent knee on knee injuries. The only other way to make contact would be to leave your feet and throw a shoulder, also a penalty.

It is very hard not to try and make the hit but it is something Ovi needs to learn. He is now on the naughty list with CC so he will be suspended every time he gets a 5 and game for kneeing, boarding, elbowing, charging, etc.

Posted by: cadlecreek1


I was thinking that the solution to all tis would be a return to ole time hockey - the HIP CHECK! Perhaps Pothier can give Ovie lessons and increase his hit results without penalties for kneeing, elbowing or leaving his feet. It was great for Scotty Stevens and the open ice hits that he made.

Posted by: CapCenter105 | December 2, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

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