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Open thread: Capitals vs. Flyers

By Lindsay Applebaum

The Washington Capitals (9-4-0) seek their fourth straight win as they host the Eastern Conference rival Philadelphia Flyers (9-4-1) at Verizon Center. Chat about the game in the comments below, or join the conversation on Twitter and see your tweets here by using #caps.

Faceoff: 5 p.m.; TV: CSN, NHL Network; Radio: 820, 1500 AM.

By Lindsay Applebaum  | November 7, 2010; 4:55 PM ET
Categories:  Philadelphia Flyers  
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Comments

Well "in recent years" I have grown to despise Briere, dislike Hartnell, and (to a lesser extent) dislike Richards.

Couple that with the memories of past Caps games when this was a stronger rivalry and I am ready to see some BROADSTREET BUTT KICKED!

GO CAPS!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | November 7, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

wtf is awesome

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 7, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

shhhhhhhh capt.

they think he sucks....

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | November 7, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Bears lose 4-2 in Charlotte this afternoon. Both Bears goals by Kyle Greentree. Dany Sabourin in net. Can Varly pleeeease get healthy so we can have Holtby back in Hershey? MJ90(or MJ17 for the Bears) did well. Played a regular shift plus saw time on power play.

Posted by: tess2201 | November 7, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Great shift by Chimera-Gordon -Fehr, @Hunterforcoach...if they play that way you will grow to like them!?

Posted by: boomer44 | November 7, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Good period.

Posted by: Dizruption | November 7, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Good period.

Posted by: Dizruption | November 7, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Phaneuf has a 4 year contract @ 6.5 per. We can't afford that contract. Please do a little research before you post your ideas. Phaneuf is a good d-man but, not great. Do you really think the Leafs would trade him for 2 number ones, a prospect and Poti? Do you really think a rebuilding team wants a 34 year old d-man making 2.8 for the next 2 years? If you had Phaneuf would you make these deals?

Posted by: chriscaps | November 7, 2010 4:49 PM

Hey, I do more research and day of the than you've probably done in your life. This might be a good deal if the Leafs fall apart and Phaneuf starts getting booed. I don't think he's worth 6.5 though and especially it would cause salary squabbles with Green and signing Semin and Laich. That said he's got just the nasty component we need. And they would take Poti since to move him they would likely have to take salary back.

I don't necessarily advocate this, but it's something to consider. Caps need to get a nasty d man in the Phaneuf/Pronger mold.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | November 7, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Lots go Caps.

Posted by: instinct227 | November 7, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Lets go Caps!!!!!!

Posted by: instinct227 | November 7, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

sloan mixing it up

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 7, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

the overly talented alex!!!

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 7, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Semin!!! Hope he gets 50 this season

Posted by: instinct227 | November 7, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Come-on Caps lets score another one and then play some defence.

Posted by: instinct227 | November 7, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one here in the 3rd pd.

Posted by: instinct227 | November 7, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

yes? lol

Posted by: ebolean1 | November 7, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

instinct227:

i agree with ebolean1

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 7, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Gettem

Posted by: Dizruption | November 7, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

@ ebolean1 / Capt
Lol you guys got jokes

Posted by: instinct227 | November 7, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Gottem

Posted by: Dizruption | November 7, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

We stay perfect in OT. Congrats to Holtby!!!

Posted by: instinct227 | November 7, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Way to go, Caps! Congrats to Braden on 1st start and 2nd win.

Posted by: Terptwin | November 7, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

The Caps deserve to get smoked tonight, just because of "coach" BB going with Holtby. Is this guy ever indecisive and stupid in his decision making. Not even a puck to his head will wake him up from the coma he's in.

Posted by: BigGameSid | November 7, 2010 5:09 PM
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Yo, BigSid, you want to re-think that post???

Posted by: tess2201 | November 7, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

So BB was right...we didn't need King in the lineup. That was the tamest Philly game I have ever seen.

Overall I think the Caps are starting to play better. Ov is struggling just a little, but nothing Major. Knuble can't buy a goal, but he sure is creating chances!

I wish we had hit more in that game just to wear down Philly. Decent enough game against a good team with a lot of of confidence. Go CAPS!

Posted by: capscoach | November 7, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

BigGameSid just makes me smile! I really do think he may be 13 yrs old. Whenever I need a laugh he's there!

Posted by: capscoach | November 7, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

This open thread thing sux....
I vote to go back to the chat...

what say you, Caps Nation?

Posted by: TimDz | November 7, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

TimDz: I suggest you go to Japers' Rink.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 7, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

The Caps deserve to get smoked tonight, just because of "coach" BB going with Holtby. Is this guy ever indecisive and stupid in his decision making. Not even a puck to his head will wake him up from the coma he's in.

Posted by: BigGameSid | November 7, 2010 5:09 PM

HAHA who's the fool now. What an idiot.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 7, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I agree, Tim.

Posted by: tess2201 | November 7, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

This open thread thing sux....
I vote to go back to the chat...

what say you, Caps Nation?

Posted by: TimDz | November 7, 2010 8:08 PM

that twitter chat stinks. i prefer last years chat more.

BigGameSid:
how about BigGameBraden & BigGameAlex

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 7, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Caps are now tops in the east and there are still a multitude of idiots saying how BB stinks and gets outcoached on a regular basis.

Caps fans must have no long-term memory. People have forgotten the days of Butch Cassidy and Glen Hanlon and the boring hockey of Jim Schoenfeld.

I'm sure I'll wake up tomorrow to hear how the team didn't compete for 60 minutes or how starting a rookie was stupid or how we'd be better with AGordon in the lineup or some other nonsense...

Posted by: calhokie | November 7, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

POSTGAME THOUGHTS:
Glad to see the team keeping on the winning ways. However, this team played a little down to Philly's level tonight in the fatigue factor. At time's the Caps just didn't seem to want to jump on and bury this team. You could tell Philly had played the night before.

All nit-picking aside - the team found a way to win and way to stand in there and look big Braden Holtby.

Great job. Let's keep this Caps train rolling to NY.

Time to knock the blueshirts out.

It's been a two point night.

ICE BREAKERS GOAL SHAKERS

Posted by: Jonathan6 | November 7, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

@ calhokie

Were you sleeping during the playoffs the last 3 years???

Posted by: joek443 | November 7, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure I'll wake up tomorrow ...
or some other nonsense...

Posted by: calhokie | November 7, 2010 8:31 PM

you didn't have to wait until tomorrow

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 7, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Was at the game and it feels so good to outnumber the Philly fans after so many years when it was 50-50 if we were lucky. Holtby needs to stop playing the puck out of the net so much at least until he gets better at talking to the D because there were at least two times he played in and the D had no idea what he was doing.

Also this game shows me that we really don't need King. None of their goons took runs at our guys. We had no staged fights. It was just a good hard game. Hendricks and Brads can fight if needed but can actually play in the game as well. This is even more important in a situation like today where we have a player get hurt and we go down to 11 forwards. If we had King in the lineup as well it would have made it 10 that were useable. I am all for having some tough guys but they need to be able to play as well. That is why guys like Carcillo and in his day Hunter were great they could play hockey as well as hit and fight. King is not that.

Posted by: icehammer97 | November 7, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure I'll wake up tomorrow to hear how the team didn't compete for 60 minutes or how starting a rookie was stupid or how we'd be better with AGordon in the lineup or some other nonsense...

Posted by: calhokie | November 7, 2010 8:31 PM

I actually agree with joek443 on this one. You are drawing a conclusion from one game? Or maybe from this year and the 10-4 record? Honestly, Caps are playing better of late, the defense has been good, but you can't discount Philly's untimely stupidity today.

Sure, some say, every time Caps win it's other team's fault and every time Caps lose it's their fault. No. The four minutes on Pronger with four minutes left though was the kind of thing he does several times of year. Great player, maybe HoF, but he has a brain fart every so often.

Caps had huge PP margin today. Because they outplayed the Flyers? To some extent. Also can't discount for Flyers second game in less than 24 hours w/travel.

I'll take it, though, Semin and Green keep scoring, Knuble keeps playing well even though he isn't scoring, and the goalies keep playing just well enough to win.

Because Caps defense is playing solid, we actually have more to hope for perhaps in late spring. We'll see.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | November 7, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

goals against:
4 - 3 times
3 - 3 times
2 - 6 times
1 - once
0 - once

after 14 games - i'm seeing a team that is trying real hard to shed some of the bad habits they've had the last few years. they still have plenty of work to do to get in sync a bit more on offence.
their D is better and it's not just the goalie that is making a difference. they've been using erskine, and to a lesser extent, sloan and fahey more than any of us would really care for them to - and as a team - have been to a tremendous job so far.
they'll most likey still need a 2c (i don't think flash is the answer for that position) before the deadline.
i don't see them spending the type of money it would take to get a #1 pair dman - but i think they could get a 2nd pair guy.

i think it's time that this team is looked at for what it is doing today instead of what happened last year, or the year before, or the one before that - and even from 20 years ago.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 7, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Capt Kirk: Here's the thing: the Caps, rightly or wrongly, have set expectations that the team is a Cup contender. Therefore, as a fan and critic, I judge them as such.

As a lifelong O's fan, I judge the Orioles much more harshly for losing the WS to the Mets in 1969 than the "Why Not" O's of 1989 coming up short to the Blue Jays on the last weekend in 1989.

If Ovi and Boudreau say, "Our goal is to make the Playoffs," I say, "You guys are doing great!" But, if the club says, and they have, "We expect to contend strongly for and even win the Cup," you must give merit to joek443's comments.

Last year we won games like this oh 50-some times and had 121 pts and captured the PT and what did it get us? It got us a very exciting year of hockey watching and a PT (I'm sure it looks nice) and another heart-wrenching 7th game loss at home (maybe the only NHL team in history to lose three straight years at home in Playoffs in 7th game).

The question, Capt Kirk, after 121 pts last year amid super excitement, what if anything has changed to better position our beloved Caps for the Playoffs?

BTW, I avoided lamb chops today, had red wine and ate another bunch of red radishes during the game. I am doing my part, but I can only do so much. I'm 53 years old and only 160 lbs however and I CANNOT CLEAR THE CREASE. Can anyone on the Caps?

To answer my question two paragraphs above, we added Matt Hendricks. I don't count King because he won't suit up for the Playoffs (unless he improves dramatically). Carlson and Alzner will have a year more experience. So will Green and Schultz and all four ARE improving. Green, you know, is really looking like, surprisingly (go ahead and criticize me joek443), he took the Ray Bourque seminar on "How to Best, Quietly Influence the Final Score in an NHL Game."

You know, from the opposite side of the fence, Schultz makes NO mistakes; Green (see above); Carlson seems to have really recovered from SOME injury earlier (when he looked shaky); Alzner...has anyone recalled an announcer saying Alzner's name? (a good thing); Erskine...not as dominating as earlier but doing fine and even Sloan doing OK.

But is this group of D incl Poti Stanley Cup champion worthy? Well, they'd be the least exhalted group of D men in NHL history this side of the 04 Lightning or 06 Canes, so it's possible.

I have to go eat dinner. Steak, ribeye to be exact. Not the same as eating it during the game but I planned all along and even popped open the bottle of Syrah at the start of the 3rd.

Hey, I'm doing my part, best I can.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | November 7, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I agree the Caps could use a nasty d-man. But, we aren't getting Phaneuf.
Congrats to Holtby on winning his 1st start. If Varly can EVER get healthy, having 3 excellent young goalies is a great problem to have.
As Alzner & Carlson get more experience and Poti returns things are looking great (I still want one more d-man). BB is smart for attempting to add defensive to this team. I'm looking forward to finally winning the cup, GO CAPS!

Posted by: chriscaps | November 7, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

tominsocal1:
i'm pretty sure what every cap fan wants if for them to 'increase' their chances to win the cup. getting the 2 pieces that most would agree that they need would do that. short of them making any moves for those pieces - it appears to me that they are trying to make adjustments to their style of play.

as far as expectations go - almost all teams in all sports talk of 'higher' expectations for the coming season. the yankees talk of a championship every year - it doesn't mean its going to happen. for those dark siders that use this expectation against the front office for even uttering it - i say "don't drink the kool-aid".

right or wrong - i'll judge what i believe to be reasonable expectations/chances at the cup based on this years team. what happened last year will have little effect on this years team. imo - each seasons team should be based on its own - not on a previous year or the potential of future years.

you can learn from past mistakes - but living in the past is futile.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 7, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

@Capt_Kirk_in_AZ

I agree with you that a second pair caliber guy on defense is what we need.

A first pairing guy would probably be uber expensive from a salary perspective. But I figure a second pairing caliber guy is doable. We have about 2.6 Million in cap space, according to Cap Geek. (Figures from today.) This guy could play with Poti, I figure. I'll admit that Corvo was supposed to be that guy but things didn't quite pan out.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 7, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

I'll admit that Corvo was supposed to be that guy but things didn't quite pan out.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 7, 2010 10:20 PM

i've read this from many here - all summer.
i do not believe corvo was ever supposed to be any long term fix or even (in the words of gmgm) "the guy we were after". the previous year green was hurting in the playoffs and not very effective - i contend that corvo (green light) was just insurance in case green couldn't go.

this was another 'front office' statement that keeps getting used by the 'dark siders'

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 7, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

right or wrong - i'll judge what i believe to be reasonable expectations/chances at the cup based on this years team.
----------------------------------

right or wrong, I'll continue to believe that any D that has to depend on either Erskine or Sloan on a regular basis will not go very far in the playoffs.

Posted by: joek443 | November 7, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

joek443: Based on play so far this year, I agree with you re: Sloan but disagree re: Erskine. Johnny has played well enough, so far, to be the 6th seed at D on a Cup challenger. I agree though you can't be one injury from both Ersk and Sloan.

Capt Kirk: Here's the deal - Caps are doing very well on D, can't dispute that.

But, if we had Miller in goal, or classic Brodeur, maybe we could go with what we have. Green is a legitimate two-way Norris candidate at this point. (But, honestly, didn't Marty have Stevens AND Daneyko?).

My biggest fear though? Really? Tell me please how any amount of Kool-Aid can quell this one:

Is it the inexperience in goal? Nope. Teams have won with younger. Is it the potential weakness on D? Nope, Lightning and Canes did it. Lack of scoring up front? Must be kidding.

No, here are the stats:

Boudrean v Stevens 2008 Stevens wins.
Boudreau v Torts 2009 draw.
Bouds v Bylsma 2009 Pitt wins TKO.
Boudreau vs Martin 2010 - death by being wiped out ala Custer at Little Big Horn.

So, bottom line, until Bruce Boudreau does something, ANYTHING, during the Stanley Cup Playoffs, EVEN ONE TINY LITTLE THING, to distinguish himself, from his contemporaries, he will absolutely be nothing but a hotshot regular season coach.

That's it, in a nutshell, and there's no rejoinder on earth anyone can offer to that one.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | November 7, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

No, here are the stats:

Boudrean v Stevens 2008 Stevens wins.
Boudreau v Torts 2009 draw.
Bouds v Bylsma 2009 Pitt wins TKO.
Boudreau vs Martin 2010 - death by being wiped out ala Custer at Little Big Horn.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | November 7, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Vs. Stevens was more of a draw and if you are going to call blowing a three game lead to a team that looked dead against Martin then there is no way Torts gets a draw. Not only did his team look clueless in the last three games but he lost his cool and got suspended a game himself. As far as v Bylsma goes it was close to even until game 7 which gave the series win and the coaching win to Bylsma and the Pens but for the first 6 games in was close to even if not so. Yes, BB is not the best playoff coach but giving him no credit for a 3-1 comeback in a series where the other team seemed to have no answer for the Caps but then to punish him for when the same thing happened to him is just trying to make him seem bad. I will give you him looking bad last year and for not having his team ready for game 7 against the Pens but other than that he has not been that bad as a coach in the playoffs.

Posted by: icehammer97 | November 7, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

That's it, in a nutshell, and there's no rejoinder on earth anyone can offer to that one.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | November 7, 2010 10:58 PM

if you believe BB is incapable of change - then you are correct.
i happen to think he can change. my only concern is that if things are not going well - he may revert to what (in his mind) had worked in the past - when it fact, it really did not.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 7, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Captain, my captain:

"you can learn from past mistakes - but living in the past is futile."

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 7, 2010 10:16 PM

Capt, as a political philosophy major in college, would you like my 1000-page response to that one incl quotes from Aristotle, Jefferson, Karl Marx, Mark Twain, etc or do you (of course you do) just want the abridged version?

Let me summarize...as brief as can be:

You (everyone) MUST learn from past mistakes/errors, otherwise you will die quickly. Additionally, you MUST apply these lessons learned to your life, going forward.

There it is, 1000 pages reduced to 25 words.

As Benjamin Franklin told me in one of my earlier lives, "Tom, you have an economy of words."

Thanks, Ben.

nostrathomas

Posted by: tominsocal1 | November 7, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

You (everyone) MUST learn from past mistakes/errors

Posted by: tominsocal1 | November 7, 2010 11:27 PM

i'm not so sure i buy into this 100% - as i've seen far to many people not learn anything from past mistakes - some even blatantly can not see, nor admit, to those mistakes. i believe these people fall into your "otherwise you will die quickly" category

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 7, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

icehammer: Let me say first I have great respect for your posts and therefore consider it a great challenge that you have questioned my statements. Your challenge is why this blog continually draws me back.

Now...I must say...the 2005 Aqua Dulce Syrah is gone and we have opened the 2005 Rose (if you can believe any Rose exits from 2005, I have the proof in my glass, in front of me).

(BTW, NHLN is running a Probert segment making me real rotten for discussion wine drinking on the blog but wtf.)

Anyway, ICE, the Flyers absolutely KILLED the Caps in the crease and the Caps did...nada. That was so hard, so f'n hard memory serves watching ShaMo knocking over Huet no penalty. This series was like Redcoats vs Colonists in 1776 and, sorry to admit, the Caps were the Redcoats.

So...when I am like really old, even older than now, and they surround me in old folks home for last words, I will whisper to those who listen that Washington beat Cornwallis and Stevens beat Boudreau.

In 2009, no coach could have done worse than Torts. Boudreau gets a draw. Then we play the Pens and the Caps are outplayed from strategy in the crease. We can play it over if you'd like but I can tell you this:

Game 3, up 2 games to 0, Crosby starts to get his way in the crease just like Flyers had in 2008.

Sheesh.

Last year - Boudreau vs Martin. The most lopsided NHL playoff match-up in history when comparing regular season points between the two combatants. Martin simply clogged the slot and stopped the Caps in their tracks. BB and GM blame it on, "Five bad days due to a hot goalie."

Hmmm. What can I say? Guess I'll just have another drink to make that bad feeling inside fade away.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | November 7, 2010 11:57 PM | Report abuse

@BigGameSid

Maybe you can help us out with your Pittsburgh connections. Caps still looking for a 2nd or 3rd line center. What would it take to get Sid over here? He, Boyd, and Majo could duke it out for the 2C slot - nothing handed out on a platter by any means - but I think he'd stand a fairly good chance of helping out on that second line...

Posted by: RedLitYogi | November 8, 2010 6:09 AM | Report abuse

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