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Caps sign Philipp Grubauer to entry-level deal

The Caps signed fourth-round draft pick Philipp Grubauer to a three-year, entry-level contract, the team announced today.

Grabauer, a goalie with the OHL's Kingston Frontenacs, has a 2-2-0 record with a 2.75 goals against average and .924 save percentage in four games this season. Last season, he led the OHL's Windsor to the Memorial Cup.

Here's what General Manager George McPhee had to say about Grubauer after the Caps dealt picks Nos. 116 and 146 to draft him this June: "We had him rated so high, to have him still there in the fourth round, we thought he would go in the second or third. To be that close and to be able to move up and get him with an inexpensive move, to make sure we got him, it's something we wanted to do."

By Lindsay Applebaum  | October 4, 2010; 4:53 PM ET
Categories:  Philipp Grubauer  
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"We had him rated so high, to have him still there in the fourth round, we thought he would go in the second or third. To be that close and to be able to move up and get him with an inexpensive move, to make sure we got him, it's something we wanted to do."

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gee, where have i heard THIS before.

oh yeah, after EVERY draft pick. Its really cool that every kid we pick up in the draft was rated way higher than where we got him. Genius!

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 4, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

wow...I actually agree with cstanton! GMGM always says that for every draft pick...although to be fair Kustenzov (or whatever his name is) probably was ranked higher. A lot of the commentators thought he would have ranked higher had he not been Russian.

Posted by: capscoach | October 4, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

@pokerfaceI208:

1 year, 725k
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=336360

doesn't that put them further over the cap?

*cough* Flash + picks/prospects for Regehr *cough* :-D

Posted by: FrankM73 | October 4, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse
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Frank it does but Calgary has tons on injuries some of which may be long term. So they're hoping to bury some of that $ in LTIR which doesn't count against the cap. It's not a matter of IF but a matter of WHEN as far as dealing with being over the cap.

There are a handful of teams that are still over the cap and have 2 days to figure that out. Some teams will be saved by the LTIR but all it does is delay the inevitable.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | October 4, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

wow...I actually agree with cstanton! GMGM always says that for every draft pick...although to be fair Kustenzov (or whatever his name is) probably was ranked higher. A lot of the commentators thought he would have ranked higher had he not been Russian.

Posted by: capscoach | October 4, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse
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Although I hate to admit it Cstanton is right here. I do hear GMGM saying that a lot about his picks but we all know it's PR stuff. I mean what else was he supposed to say? Well the guy has huge issues with his glove hand and he's not very good at covering the 5 hole and oh yeah he seemed to get rattled in pressure situations but hey we wanted to see more from the guy in case he gets better?

As far as Kuznetsov is concerned, he absolutely was rated in the top 10 but dropped off due to his contract status in Mother Russia. The Caps however have a luxury in we've got great top Russian talent to lure him over here. Plus we're gonna be pretty set at center in a yr or 2 so we can actually wait if we had to. We're in a spot that most teams woulda loved to be in concerning him.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | October 4, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

why does everyone sound so disgusted when they realize they share a similar viewpoint as myself?

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 4, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I do hear GMGM saying that a lot about his picks but we all know it's PR stuff.
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of course its PR. Its SHAMELESS SelfPromotion. And...when he does make an awful mistake, he won't admit it either. He could make the most godawful series of moves in a row and he'll find some way to justify it. Never takes responsibility for everything, takes credit for everything. That's our boy Georgie. And yet his public persona is all about softspoken humility.

the guy is the devil. Beelzebub i tell you.

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 4, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

GMGM's comments are no different than those made by 29 other general managers in the NHL and thousands of others in various fantasy and simulation leagues in all sports. Doesn't make it BS, just a statement of organizational value of draftee. And even if it's PR smoke, exactly where is the harm or deception deserving of the knee-jerk castigation? Hardly worth reacting to...time will tell if the kid makes it up the line.

Posted by: McKinley2 | October 4, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

and don't forget the ole classic. This can be used in multiple situations. And it is.

"he was our top target, we identified him, and we got him"

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 4, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

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and don't forget the ole classic. This can be used in multiple situations. And it is.

"he was our top target, we identified him, and we got him"

precisely. Best not used in describing one's wife however: "Geez, had you rated in my top ten choices, easy, was surprised you were still in the bar at 2 AM.."

Posted by: RedLitYogi | October 4, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

and don't forget the ole classic. This can be used in multiple situations. And it is.

"he was our top target, we identified him, and we got him"

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JOE CORVO!!

Posted by: Hatfield223 | October 4, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Giroux isn't a checking defensive player so that was a bad fit anyway but they'll end up giving the spot to their top draft pick from last yr - a Sweeeede

Really, Giroux had no chance. But he'll be a depth call up maybe.

Posted by: cstanton1 |

Yes, but MPS is a two-way player, and if his game in Sweden translates to NA hockey, he'll be a prototypical power forward.

Posted by: richmondphil2 | October 4, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

So, it seems to me that 2 of the following 3 forwards are going to make the team:

Perrault
Johannson
Hendricks

So, which 2? It might be hard to get both Perrault and Johannson a lot of ice time. 2 Young Centers..., so you might do them a dis-service by keeping them both up. With Hendricks, you can have him platoon on the 4th line with DJ King, Brads, Steckel, and Gordon.

So, I think it will be Perrault and Hendricks. But then the question is, does Johannson go to Hershey where he could be the #1 call up, or does he spend the year in Sweeden unlearning what he has learned this year about North American Hockey?

Posted by: Wemiss21 | October 4, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

And even if it's PR smoke, exactly where is the harm or deception deserving of the knee-jerk castigation?
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you sound very smart

but let me point out, this is no kneejerk castigation. This is long standing castigation that stems from longstanding self-promotion by our beloved and esteemed GM. This kind of extreme PR has been in place for a very very long time. And some of the propects and trade or FA acquisitions he has referred to in this manner have been downright awful.

He said this about a kid named Jeff Lucky. That was funny. In fact, I'm pretty \sure he's also said this about every single 1st round pick he's ever made, and probably a few 2nd and 3rd rounders as well. I think he also said this about Oscar Hedman. And Jakub Cutta. I don't open to rip open any scabs.

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 4, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Well, if fantasy freaks do it, then it must be OK...

Thanks, McKinley2! That was hilarious!

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 4, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

About draft picks. They are unlike free agency or trades where it takes another party's willingness(either UFA or another team) to deal with you to make a deal.

In a draft, a team selects whoever it wants. I think that every team that makes a selection thinks they are getting the best player at that pick. When a team trades up to pick somebody they believe the guy they are trading up for is worth trading up for. If they didn't they would have selected someone else.

So, for every pick of every team, I believe that every GM feels they selected the best player available at the time. It clearly doesn't always turn out that way, but it is all about how they felt at the time of the selection.

Posted by: sgm3 | October 4, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1:
can you think of any gm's that said - yeah i took him in the 1st round but he might not pan out.

gmgm will never give a straight answer (or the whole truth for that matter) - but i don't think he is much different from any other gm's out there.

what might be different with gmgm is he won't talk about past 'failures' where some other gm's would.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | October 4, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

It seems Steve Hindle at Hockeybuzz is predicting Marcus Johansson and Matt Hendricks stay and actually calls it a "pretty safe bet."

Is it just me or has it seemed like Perrault has been given the job as the #3 center? If I had to guess I would say it is MP and Hendricks stay. I have seen a lot of people talking up A. Gordon in the last few days but he really has not impressed me when I have gotten a chance to see him this preseason including the game I saw in person he played in Friday. While he may be a decent 3rd line player in a few years but he is not ready now to be a full time player in the NHL. Also there are always 3rd and 4th line players available in FA.

Posted by: icehammer97 | October 4, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

@wemiss21
RE: MJ - he is getting a lot of 'face time'; he was on the last fan forum phone call, he spoke at the convention, etc. I initially thought that it meant he would be here, but maybe it's incentive for him to stay with Hershey and come as a call up to all this 'fame and fortune' rather than returning to Sweden.
Little Matty has been filling in on the top line, that's got to be a clue, hasn't it?

Posted by: bluejeener1 | October 4, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Yes, but MPS is a two-way player, and if his game in Sweden translates to NA hockey, he'll be a prototypical power forward.

Posted by: richmondphil2

cool, i wasn't disparaging the guy. Don't know anything about him. But he's got good size. Just didn't see any place for Giroux in the Edm lineup except the 3rd line and he's not a good fit on a 3rd line.

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 4, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1:
can you think of any gm's that said - yeah i took him in the 1st round but he might not pan out.

gmgm will never give a straight answer (or the whole truth for that matter) - but i don't think he is much different from any other gm's out there.

what might be different with gmgm is he won't talk about past 'failures' where some other gm's would.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ |


I have never set the bar for McPhee that high where I expect him or anyone else to make ridiculously damaging statements like "we didn't get our guy so we took this kid instead".

Its the degree to which he goes out of his way to make himself look good is what I take exception to. There IS a middle ground between shameless self promotion and cutting yourself off at the knees. He's just at one extreme and has been slyly doing it for a long time. I don't see other GMs across other sports do it anywhere near his degree. In fact I've seen cases where organizations have a "town meeting" sometimes and own up to past failures. Just to create a perception of honesty and goodwill to gain trust from their fanbase. McPhee could blow 6 drafts in a row and never own up to past failures.

He doesn't have to diss a prospect he just acquired. But does he have to continually pretend that the kid was his top target and he just happened to fall that far? Is all that necessary to justify why he trades up to get a player or gives up a lot to get him?

because frankly, when he identifies Corvo as a top target, I worry about the future of this organization. He was better off just keeping his mouth shut.

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 4, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

what might be different with gmgm is he won't talk about past 'failures' where some other gm's would.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ |


right.

And if he did this-> owned up to his mistakes, then I'd be more understanding of his comments whenever he acquires a player. But he says whatever he feels makes him look good in the moment, then when times passes by and he's proven wrong, there is no accountability or ownership.

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 4, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

It's borderline insane that we are going into this season with the same GM, same coach and the biggest offseason move was extending Tom Poti.

Look at how constantly active the GMs of Pittsburgh and Chicago are and they kinds of moves they make.

Then look at McPhee and think about the fact that we haven't had a single convincing playoff series win. The only one we did win was by the slimmest of margins. One deflection or play going a different way and we could be 0-fer in the Ovechkin era.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 4, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

a comment on something from the last post. In last springs playoff losses we had 5 goals for vs 11 goals against. or 2.75 goals per game against. If our defense had been one goal per game better or down to 7 goals against 1.75 per game we still would have lost because we couldn't score more than 1.25 goals per game. Just saying

Posted by: billd2 | October 4, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

To be clear, I'm not saying that everything should've changed but the fact that nothing significant changed is insance given the shortcomings and failures of the past 2 years.

There is no way that the GMs in Chicago or Pittsburgh would sit on their hands in this situation.

McPhee just doesn't have a feel for what it takes to take this team to the next level. He may be book smart, I don't know, but he certainly isn't GM smart.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 4, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1:
His team just won the Presidents trophy and two calder cups in a row. I would say he's drafted well.
Your assessment is a joke. You want to complain and pretend to be provocative more than be truthful. That's why no one take you seriously.

Posted by: will111 | October 4, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

MaJo makes the team as 2nd center. Flash will be moved by Friday.

Posted by: underpants2 | October 4, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

It's just silly when a message board poster who hasn't been in an NHL locker room claims to have more knowledge of a team than the people associated with it.

It makes me laugh when people take them seriously.

Posted by: pga6 | October 4, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

cstan said
"why does everyone sound so disgusted when they realize they share a similar viewpoint as myself?"

The fact that you had to ask that question says it all.

Posted by: billd2 | October 4, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Grubauer signing makes 49 NHL contracts. Only one opening.

tmac: I myself thought biggest offseason move was extending Backstrom. And then Schultz. And then Fehr. And maybe then Poti.

signed, for a few days,
tominatlanta1

Posted by: tominsocal1 | October 4, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

I think the Caps have had good success recently drafting goalies - Varly, Neuvy, Holtby. Didn't I read that they brought back the former goaltending coach as a consultant to help with the draft, because he had a knack for spotting goalie talent? Drafting for other positions can be fairly critiqued, but I think they have done OK drafting goalies.

Posted by: zmega | October 4, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Yes we just won the Presidents trophy - which means about jackall when it comes down to it, especially in hockey. The measuring stick is postseason success and, let's be honest here, we have had precious little of it in the GMGM era. And I have to agree with the self-aggrandizement assessment, noone's expecting him to disparage guys publicly but the unwillingness to admit even the slightest mistake - Bruce Cassidy, anyone - and the drafting up til a few years ago was borderline atrocious.

That said, I do think the drafting the last 2-3 years has been terrific [given that a blind man would have grabbed OV and Backstrom, and you don't often see DET picking #1 or #4 overall] - Carlson were Kuznetzov were phenomenal picks given where the Caps were picking, ditto for Varly, Orlov and maybe Galiev too.

But I certainly do not agree with the Scultz hoopla - I'm pretty sure cstanton and I were not the only ones watching the playoffs the last two years. Can he shut down quick, powerful forwards in clutch situations? Not from what I've seen, not by a long shot.

Posted by: govtimbo | October 4, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

CHeck out the season odds as of now.. Looking good to start the season.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Official-betting-odds-for-2010-11-NHL-season-fr?urn=nhl-273907

Posted by: Tprpolen | October 4, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Most of you guys have talked to me on here from time to time so know I am just passing info along. I just ordered some jerseys from borntrade.net and was a little worried. They are sharp and cheap, so happy for 35.00 a jersey. 3 orders with no problems..

Posted by: Tprpolen | October 4, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

If the Caps end up with 3 legit NHL players from last year's draft, that would have to be considered to be highly successful. I think Kuznetsov can be that kind of player, not sold on Galiev but he has looked good at times.

Posted by: zmega | October 4, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

@the odds. I might have to lay some money on that over/under for points. 108.5. I'll take the over. Maybe 10 bucks on isles to win the cup as well. 100-1.

Posted by: Dizruption | October 4, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1:
His team just won the Presidents trophy and two calder cups in a row. I would say he's drafted well.

---will--

oh yes, the president's trophy. how can you forget that. Its quite a nice crutch to have.

As to the Calder Cups, the credit for filling out the roster is not McPhee's, but Doug Yingst. He understands how to get the right role players in place to give his team a chance to win. The fact that Hershey has won with 3 different coaches is a credit to Yingst.
To pretend that the Bears are McPhee's baby and no one else's is stupid.

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 4, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

The measuring stick is postseason success and, let's be honest here, we have had precious little of it in the GMGM era.

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it doesn't matter. Apparently the postseason is meaningless.

And yeah, Bruce Cassidy. Wow. Nice move there. How about holding onto Ron Wilson for all those years? How about 12 after Tinordi exits the one reverberating need is still that stereotypical punishing dman?

Next season some of you can crow about another great reg season in 2010, and nothing more.

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 4, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

It's just silly when a message board poster who hasn't been in an NHL locker room claims to have more knowledge of a team than the people associated with it.

It makes me laugh when people take them seriously.

Posted by: pga6

Its sillier when someone attempts to discredit a poster without actually dealing in anything specific.

And ftr, I've been in plenty of nhl locker rooms. Not that it gave me any great insight or that it makes me more qualified than if I had never stepped in one. But just saying. I've been in a lot of em. So, what are you credentials pga6? Or do you just feel because you've never been in an nhl locker room that it prevents you from having any type of educated opinion about the sport?

the folks who keep bringing up "credentials" yada yada are either too stupid to formulate their own opinions, or they are hypocrites who have plenty of opinions themselves but disagree with what someone else says so they'll toss out the "why aren't you coaching in the league if you're so smart" angle.

everyone here has opinions on hockey (except LeftCoast). You don't have to be a member of the Caps org to know more about certain things than do Boudreau or McPhee. If you truly felt that way, you should never voice another opinion for the rest of your life that contradicts any coach or GM in any sport. Period. Just shut your piehole and move along because apparently you lack any and all ability to analyze a sport.

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 4, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

But I certainly do not agree with the Scultz hoopla - I'm pretty sure cstanton and I were not the only ones watching the playoffs the last two years. Can he shut down quick, powerful forwards in clutch situations? Not from what I've seen, not by a long shot.

Posted by: govtimbo

err...but his plus/minus #s are phenomenal. It doesn't compute.

At least he has a good way of staying healthy. He keeps himself free of all scrums!

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 4, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

cstanton - are you a caps fan? this is probably the best caps team ever starting off this season and you act like we wont even make the playoffs. You are a miserable person and I feel sorry for you.

Posted by: capsfansince74 | October 4, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

MaJo makes the team as 2nd center. Flash will be moved by Friday.

Posted by: underpants2

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Hopefully. I'd love to have a season without Flash. Roughly a third of the roster would be rookies though, not sure thats going to be too awesome for the playoffs, which, let's face it, is all that matters.

Posted by: LloydChristmas | October 4, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

@Tprpolen

hopefully those jerseys don't end up to be the crappy knockoff jerseys i keep seeing around the phonebooth

Posted by: _stevo | October 4, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

cstanton - are you a caps fan? this is probably the best caps team ever starting off this season and you act like we wont even make the playoffs.
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i seem to spend way too much time correcting perceptions.
I predicted we'd have another good reg season so it could be yet another notch in McPhee's belt for next season. How do you take that to mean we won't make the playoffs?

all that doesn't change the fact he's had a very impotent offseason. Face it, for a variety of reasons he's not active in either the trade markets nor the FA markets. Kid has a hard time sealing deals.....


although i'm sure he'd say its 'by design'

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 4, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

You are a miserable person and I feel sorry for you.

Posted by: capsfansince74

seein as you've been a caps fan since 1974, i bet you're the miserable one and i feel real sorry for you!

how did you manage to watch hockey for 36 yrs and still be kinda clueless though? I'm kidding of course.

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 4, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

As far as this off season goes...the pickings were slim and a lot of the gooddefensemen were signed for way to much money. I will only be angry with GMGM IF and only if...we are not able to get what we need by March.

Posted by: capscoach | October 4, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

@billd2
@will111

Cstanton has nailed GMGM right on since I've been reading this post. What play offs are you watching? Who cares what Hershey did. The President's trophey just means we have to more for trash like Flush and overpay Laich down the road.

The Pens have reloaded twice. They're ready to win another Cup. We've got guys like Poti hoping for the start of the real deal to start. Poti, the real deal is in 82 games. I hope you and about 8 other Caps can grow back bones over the next 82 games, or we're done early again.

I think Cstanton should start creating GMGM quotes (Ted too) for this years early failure in the playoffs.

"The goalie was just too good" (That's why he's in St. Louis.)

"The Cups will come in due time." (Yea, after we're dead.)

"We've got alot of young talent in Hershey." (You're best hockey player isn't in Hershey. You're too full of your J.D. degree to see it. BB knows Eakin is ready. GMGM will rush him up here in a panic, like he did with Carlson. Let the kid play a full season. Many GM's think this is your best prospect. Play him now.)

I just hope Ovi puts and end to this GM come next Spring. I think Ovi and Bradley may be the only two Caps who will pay the price to win a Cup (Maybe Backi). I'm serious.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | October 4, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

@capsfansince74

I've been a fan that long too. Did you watch all those other Cup winners travel through our buildings the past 30 plus years? Did their GM's act like GMGM ? No.
They built teams with character, talent and grit. Those Islander teams hustled. The Devils choked the life out of you at the red line. The Pens never quit (down 1-3 twice!) We've got a flashy Eurotrash style that looks great in nonplay off games. There will be dead silence here next spring when the Cstanton haters realize he's right on the money about McPhee.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | October 4, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

@ Hunterforcoach:

Come on really? You see development programs like Hershey as trash? I know you want to be on the fringe like Cstanton but you answer is even more extreme than his. He would at least identify the importance of development programs. He pretends to know a lot about them.

I really have nothing to argue. I don't know where to start. I have NEVER read from any poster on this site that they think development programs are useless and just for the trash. Wow.

Posted by: will111 | October 4, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

@ Hunterforcoach:
Wow what a prediction! So anything short of a Cup and CStanton would be right? That is a very courageous bet. It's the NHL.

If I had to pick right now I would also say that based on shear odds the caps will not win the Cup. That doesn't make him a bad GMGM. You make him sound like Sather. Every analyst believes that the Caps are an elite team. To put you team in a position to win is the job of the GM not win for them. Do you or do you not think the Caps are one of the top 6 teams in the NHL.

If you say no, your totally out of touch and your opinion now carries no weight.

If you say yes, you have to acknowledge GMGM is very much responsible for them being an elite team. This team is more than just Ovi and Backstrom, so don't use the excuse that any moron could have drafted them.

Posted by: will111 | October 4, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

@Cstanton

The biggest chunk of truth in this whole discussion is that it's been 12 years since Tinordi left. It's no secret that Tinordi got healthy just before the playoffs in 98. He was fantastic in that run to the finals. We need SEVERAL Dmen just like that to win the Cup. Shultz will wilt in the playoffs (or any other time someone on his team needs a 6 foot 4 Dman
to rescue him in a scrum.)

We need tough Dmen or the party ends in round one.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | October 4, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

@ Hunterforcoach:

Oh by the way GMGM, that you hate so much, is the same guy that traded Hunter at the end of his career to colorado for $1 so he could have a chance at winning the cup.

Ya sounds like he's a real D-Bag.

Posted by: will111 | October 4, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

@will111

No, I don't think development programs are trash. The Bear's success has not translated to Play off wins. I remember Laich was a beast the last year BB was in Hershey. Laich had a great play off run. Did you see him in the slot in front of Halak ? Did you see him banging elbows with Hal Gill fighting for position in the slot ? No, he was camped out at the side of the net. Now he wants a big contract and he can't sleep at night. Laich needed to score some ugly play off type goals.

The Caps may be the best regular season team in hockey. In the playoffs a team with tough Canadian and American kids, will beat them. Say, the Pens. After watching the Hawks and Flyers in the finals, we are light years away from returning to the finals. There are 5 teams that can beat us in the playoffs with no problem. EVEN HAD WE BEAT THE HABS, THE FLYERS WOULD HAVE DUSTED US IN 6 !! We don't play play off hockey. The 98 team had half the talent, but twice the results, because they played play off hockey.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | October 4, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

@will111

No, I would not call him that. He's actually a nice guy. He's great to everyone at the Rockville rink. GMGM picks players who can not perform in the playoffs. Tired of watching Eurotrash hockey because it never results in a Cup.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | October 4, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Just wondering if the Flyers would have dusted off those tough Canadian and American kids playing for the Pens? Oh wait, they "folded" against the Habs, too. Do you really believe that winning the Cup is the exclusive entitlement of North Americans? Don't tell the Red Wings.

Posted by: McKinley2 | October 4, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Guys guys guys! Please don't try to argue with Cstanton. He's like your sister, she always has to get the last word in. She was rarely right but she always had to get the last word in. It bothered you so much you just stopped fighting so she'd shutup. But there's that one last word and man you just want to punch her straight in the mouth. You still chose the higher road and walked away. Now here years and years later you can still hear her voice in the back of your head. That's all I can think of when I see his posts.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | October 4, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

@hunterforcoach

Are you really calling Ovi and Backie eurotrash hockey players? There are 29 other teams who would love to take them off the Caps's hands.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | October 4, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

the undercard for cstanton1 and sgm3 is...
hunterforcoach vs will111

round 1
ding

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | October 4, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

In the recently release NHL 11 they have OHL, QMJHL and WHL teams.

My son loves to play Windsor because the Grubauer in the videogame is an awesome goalie. I love to play the Barrie Colts against him because Burmistrov (Thrashers #1 pick) is honestly as good as Ovechkin (in the game).

Based on NHL 11, GMGM chose correctly...and, the Thrashers may have the next Russian Machine in Atlanta. :-)

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | October 4, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

The Grubauer I saw at camp did not look like an AHL prospect let alone an NHL draftee. Sure, we all have our days but he looked very weak, slow and untimed in his moves and was surprised he was even there. I hope he was just overwhelmed and can bring up the rear corps in Hershey soon.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | October 4, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

I just hate this concept of all or nothing. Nobody here is saying the President's trophy is the goal for a season, but to ignore it as if the team finished last in the league is just ignorant. If GMGM was fired tomorrow, he would have the next job opening. He has drafted well in the last few years from the bottom up.... and it shows.

I view people like hunterforcoach &CStanton like I do those who love a band until there popular then think they suck and are overrated. By the way I think CStanton IS my sister messing with me.

Posted by: will111 | October 5, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

will111 - of course! GMGM is incredibly respected by his peers. Owners would love to have somebody like him running their organization. There are some really good ones out there but I would definately put GMGM towards the top of the list. That being said, everything runs it's course. This yr and the next 2 yrs are incredibly important for this organization and him as well. I'm far from panicking. Talk to me at 3:01pm the day of the trade deadline and we'll see where we're at then.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | October 5, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Darn it! Not that many of you care but the NHL & the NHLOA just reached a deal on a 4yr contract. I was waiting for them to call me up! LOL! Granted I've been out of the game for a few yrs but I bet I could still hang! LOL

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | October 5, 2010 1:08 AM | Report abuse

The latest in my series of 11:15pm posts from Los Angeles, which nobody read, because everybody has gone to bed...

Just brainstorming here...

There are fundamental flaws in the way almost all of us have been criticizing the team:

Based on sheer talent alone, the Capitals destroyed the NHL in the regular season last year. They did this WITHOUT a legit #2 center. BMo we can probably all agree was old and weak, and could be suitably replaced by MP or MJ. Belanger never even came close to gelling with any linemates. No need to regurgitate Flash's limitations here. Fedorov was the last semi-legit #2 center we had, and the team--on sheer talent alone--improved their regular season dominance without him.

The same argument applies equally to the defense. We have no standout defensive-defensemen. We do not have a defensive roster capable of making up for the overall defensive shortcomings of the team, based solely on their own individual defensive prowess. Yet, even with that, we destroyed the competition last year. Our record against the top teams in the league was STELLAR.

Same argument holds for the goalies. It was a rare circumstance that our goalies stood on their heads to bail out the anemic team in front of them.

Wrapping this up, it seems to me that GMGM's biggest failing (and perhaps only meaningful failing?) is his decision to keep BB as the coach of this group. If you can literally destroy the competition on sheer talent alone for the vast majority of a season, then it stands to reason that those same players executing a defense-oriented game plan will have even greater success. In theory, when you have this sort of talent, you should be able to execute defense by committee even lacking the type of players that so many people claim are the REAL reason the Caps aren't a Cup-capable team.

It seems to me that most people here are arguing that the Caps can't win the big prize with the players on their roster. Those people are really suggesting that certain types of players are necessary to make BRUCE'S team capable of winning. As if the addition of a little sandpaper and a big, mean defenseman is going to magically make up for the shortcomings of the system! I'm not buying it. You're asking fewer guys than you can count on one hand to make up for systemic shortcomings, based on THEIR sheer talents alone.

So, I will continue defending every decision GMGM has made, but not beyond the point where he defers to BB. He needs to demand systems changes, and demand that BB not favor "his boys" with inappropriate ice time, or else BB will get shown the door.

I'm also not a BB hater, yet. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I am willing to give him one more year because after watching the Caps for half my life, I've never been more entertained than I have been since BB's arrival. I'll swap a slightly better shot at the Cup for one more year of entertainment.

Continued....

Posted by: struggler | October 5, 2010 2:14 AM | Report abuse

Well, I laboriously crafted a nice wrap-up to the previous post, without which the previous one sort of falls on its face.

But I got a "submission error" from the site, saying that it needed to be reviewed by the site monitor. I tried re-posting it several times, so if it shows up several times tomorrow, I apologize.

Posted by: struggler | October 5, 2010 2:47 AM | Report abuse

That's the great irony..... if you're good enough to put together an elite team, if they don't perform, you could be fired.

if you're as crappy as Sather, and never really compete, you could be GM forever.

There is no courage in constantly criticizing this organization because the statistical chances of winning a cup are so small you can always say that anything short is a failure and BB or GMGM should be fired. You will almost always be right considering this team has never won a cup before.

I would like to see some of these guys like hunterforcoach and cstanton actually stick their neck out and say what they DO like, so when that fails we can all tell them how wrong they are.

As far as I can see they sleep with the safety of what HAS been so they can appear right. Hindsight is 20/20 guys. We're not impressed with you telling us why the team has failed. Why don't you predict something significant? To say the team will not win a cup is statistically safe. That doesn't make you smart or knowledgeable about hockey.

Here's a prediction: The Caps will NOT win the cup this year. Boom! There it is. Does that make me smart? No. I just play the odds. same as those guys.

Honestly who in the last few years have hunterforcoach and csatanton liked? Please don' tell me OVI and Backi! Those are the same guys they said any monkey would have picked in a draft.
Bradley? no. Steckel? no Laich? no. Flash? no. Fehr? No. Semin? no. Green? no Poti? no. Shultz? no Knuble?Maybe, but getting old. wow that's great insight.
Who do they like? No one! They have bashed every other player that is on this team as eurotrash. Why? because it's safe. With people who view sports as absolutists..... win the cup or be a failure, they take the cowardly way out by saying all the things wrong with the team.

For a team that has NEVER won the cup it doesn't take much balls to say they are failures because they have never done anything in the playoffs... when the ONLY measure of success is winning a CUP.

I come here to get some insight not google stats. What's so funny is the incredible arrogance of these guys. What involvement do you have in hockey? What? you watch it on TV? You youtube different player? BB and GMGM have lived this sport for most of their lives and you act like you have more insight into the game. You guys should leave your basements once in a while so that you get a taste of the outside world. There is a real world out there and you're missing it.

Posted by: will111 | October 5, 2010 4:02 AM | Report abuse

Really, no one is going to call cstanton1's claim that "And ftr, I've been in plenty of nhl locker rooms. Not that it gave me any great insight or that it makes me more qualified than if I had never stepped in one. But just saying. I've been in a lot of em. So, what are you credentials pga6? "

cstanton1: I am calling you a friggin' BSer and liar. This claim is a joke and just shows you will say just about anything to convince people you are an expert.

Posted by: fanohock1 | October 5, 2010 6:53 AM | Report abuse

@govtimbo

Good recap of GMGM's excellent drafting the last few years. I would only like to add Cody Eakin to your list as he has the potential to be an excellent player in the future for the Caps.

Posted by: MReilly9 | October 5, 2010 6:59 AM | Report abuse

Ok fanohock, here are my predictions for Cup champs as requested about a week ago.....sent to the email account you set up as follows:


Ok, after looking into all the team make-up throughout the NHL this year I have come up with my two predictions as Cup champs. I do think these odds can change depending on what is done at the trade deadline and the Caps pick up the pieces that are missing.......but currently I have them in the top five but not my final two.

Ok, from the West I have Vancouver coming out

and from the East.......GULP!!!......hate to say it but the Pens look like he team to beat unfortunately.

Those are my educated guesses after looking at all the current rosters.

BTW, I would consider Eastern Conference finals a successful season for the Caps this year.


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Ok guys, flame away on me. I hated to pick the Pens but they sure look good again and man I hate to say that!

Posted by: PhilR | October 5, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

I know this kid is a goalie,

Posted by: griz0615 | October 5, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

I know this kid is a goalie, but here's another classic line... "He's good enough to be a top 6 forward on many NHL teams, but we are so deep at forward...."

Posted by: griz0615 | October 5, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

So, I think it will be Perrault and Hendricks. But then the question is, does Johannson go to Hershey where he could be the #1 call up, or does he spend the year in Sweeden unlearning what he has learned this year about North American Hockey?

Posted by: Wemiss21 | October 4, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I agree that it's Hendricks and MP, but I'm pretty sure MJ sticks around in Hershey and sees time with the Caps periodically this year. I thought he had said his plan was to stick around in North America this year, despite the allowance in his contract.

Posted by: Justafan | October 5, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Almost there...Go Caps!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | October 5, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

@MReilly -
Thanks - yes, I saw Eakin at rookie camp this summer at Kettler and certainly was impressed. The only reason I didn't include him in the short list was because the other guys I put there - Carlson, Kuznetzov, Varly and Orlov - all have the potential to be game-breaking type players in 2-3 years. Carlson and Varly sooner than that. I think he'll be good but not at that elite level.

Posted by: govtimbo | October 5, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

To be fair to cstanton and Hunterforcoach - it was I not they who said if you are comparing GMGM to other gm's around the league, it's not really fair to, on the one hand, discount someone like Kenny Holland's postseason success because well, the Caps won the President's Cup but on the other hand, Holland didn't pick Ovie and Backstrom. Well, no he didn't, but last I looked you don't get to draft #1 or #4, #5 etc. overall if your team consistently dominates. It's more like, if you pass on an Ovie, Backi [or to be fair, Malkin or Crosby], that's when you get criticized, and rightly so.

And my point about DET is, they STILL have game-breaking players, despite where they draft. I.e., Lidstrom went in the 3rd round, Zetta and Datsyuk were like 6th or 7th rounders, I don't think even Franzen went too high and that guy is a playoff monster. We want to give GMGM a parade because late-round guys contribute - sometimes - in Hershey. I don't even hear DET or other great playoff teams talk about how good their minor league teams are, from what I recall.

Posted by: govtimbo | October 5, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Johansson returning to Sweden might not be a bad idea. Didn't seem to hurt Nicklas Backstrom did it?

Would Johansson who has the out in his contract agree to an assignment in Hershey?

My immediate guess is no. Although if the Caps indicate he would be called up if there were any injuries up front, that might be some inducement to stay in North America for the season.

Perrault may be more ready to play in the NHL this season even though Johansson has more talent.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | October 5, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Some interesting comments and assumptions about CStanton. I recall our debates from a decade ago. I disagreed with him often, but after a while, I came to respect his opinion. The claims made that he wont "stick his neck out and say what they DO like" is ludicrous.

To CS:

It doesn't upset me that McPhee continues verbally in his method of operation. It's the continuation of poor roster building and coaching that irks me.

Posted by: btcg | October 5, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

cstanton - my point is that no matter what the caps do its not enough for you. We could have signed every top free agent defenseman and three top free agent centers and you would just complain and wine about gmgm. Its tiresome.

Posted by: capsfansince74 | October 5, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: capsfansince74

cstanton - my point is that no matter what the caps do its not enough for you. We could have signed every top free agent defenseman and three top free agent centers and you would just complain and wine about gmgm. Its tiresome.

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I assume he's done with this thread, but let me answer that.

I met my missus and moved here just after the 1998 SCF: that series brought us together, and I was the one to move (from Detroit) when we decided to become a family. I've been a Caps season ticket holder ever since. I've endured nearly 12 years of George NcPhee's roster building, and frankly, I've had enough of the Jeff Brown's/Mironov's/Cote's/Kiwi's/Poti's/Corvo's etc, etc.

Your point about what McPhee could do and whether it would satisfy Stanton is baseless:

McPhee doesn't value stay @ home Dmen, and this blindness to reality never ends. Every year, it's more of the same.

As to whether the current team is a powerhouse, I hate to break your bubble, but there's one reason the team has done much better of late:

Improved goaltending.

Kolzig's last 5 years here were years that should not have happened: the man was washed-up, and was kept on to appease the fan base, being one of the last vestiges of the 98 team.

Now, the goalies that replaced him (Huet, Theo, Varly) are hardly in the NHL elite (although Huet did give us a close month or so), but the improvement over the "motor oil in January" slowness of Kolzig should be obvious to you.

This team will do well against the sand-bagging teams during the regular season, but run & gun style teams never do well in the playoffs, and after 12 years, I think it's time we all realized this.

Posted by: btcg | October 6, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

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