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Poll: Do the Caps need an enforcer?

The question of whether or not the Caps need a Donald Brashear-type has come up before, but David Koci's crushing check to Mike Green last night in Denver has reignited the debate in the comments.

So let's do this again, keeping in mind that the team has freed up some cash recently:


*Extra: Hockey stick in the glass and other weird stuff from the Bog.

By Lindsay Applebaum  |  December 16, 2009; 12:22 PM ET
 
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Comments

A brash/orr/koci type? Nope.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 16, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

+/- on how many games Koci will get?

I'm thinking 5.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 16, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

COL fans are now talking about how dirty Ovi is.

Really? Is that all you guys have to say to "save face" because Koci is a POS?

Posted by: richmondphil | December 16, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

In response to the COL fan;
"this is not a case of taking the hit, or trying to duck away using the boards for protection. i'm pretty sure green was looking to make the first pass to start a break-out. since he is a right handed shot, he was positioned to his left, exposing his back to any forechecker coming in on him, which is when the forechecker must ease up. green didn't see anyone within the vicinity of the net (koci is not even in the picture at this point), and took his guard down to make the pass. you can even see him look, and decide he has time to make a play. koci then comes from out of nowhere charging in from at least 10 feet away and simply ran him from behind. this is probably the most disturbing thing i've seen in years as far as hits from behind go."

Posted by: richmondphil | December 16, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

If the Caps were to get an enforcer where would he fit in? They already seem to have too many good forwards than spots. I like the three solid scoring lines, with one very good checking line (although the one very good checking line had 2 goals last night). I feel like this will be more beneficial come playoff time too. Maybe that's just me though...

Posted by: Aldred15 | December 16, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I don't think we need an enforcer now, but maybe as playoff time approaches it wouldn't be a bad idea. I mean we don't want other teams making runs at our stars right before the playoffs start.

Posted by: capscoach | December 16, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

It seems Erskine did a fine job last night standing up for his teammate. Plus do we want to spend a $1.5 million on a Brashear. The Rangers are regretting it....he plays an average of 6:22 of time has a -7 and 56 penalty minutes in 22 games. Is that worth the money? I would much rather have a hard-nosed, stay at home defenseman who can clear out in front of the net on the power-kill. That would be a much more effective way to spend that 1.5 million.

Posted by: sazzwho | December 16, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm just wondering what an enforcer would have done at this point? Yes, engage the other guy- like Erskine did. Enforcer, as far as I can tell, are there to deter stuff like this from happening. Pretty sure Koci had his mind made up and wouldn't have cared if we had (insert favorite enforcer here) on our team anyway. With the way our 3rd/4th line guys are playing right now- I most certainly would not want to use up one of those spots on a guy that plays 7 mins a night, on the chance we MAY need him.

Posted by: Fro_ | December 16, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Simply put: No.

Posted by: atybat | December 16, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

"Really? Is that all you guys have to say to "save face" because Koci is a POS?"

It's probably not just that. The Caps easily rolled over one of the allegedly better teams in the West last night, embarrassing them on their own ice. I'm sure there is a lot of face saving going on out there today.

Wasn't impressed with Colorado at all. Our offense went through them like a knife through warm butter.

Posted by: southside721 | December 16, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I most certainly would not want to use up one of those spots on a guy that plays 7 mins a night, on the chance we MAY need him.

Posted by: Fro_ | December 16, 2009 12:47 PM |

It blows my mind how Sacco wastes one of his roster spots on freakin David Koci. The guy doesn't do anything.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 16, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I voted no. Although if there's a "semi enforcer" out there who's a serviceable checking line winger, maybe an Alan May type? :) (http://washingtoncapitalslegends.blogspot.com/2009/02/alan-may.html).

Chances are, an enforcer wouldn't have been on the ice with Green when it happened. The Enforcer would've had to go pick a fight with Korci on a later shift, which could've spiraled into a real mess.

I guess it comes down to whether one believes the "threat" of an Enforcer keeps other teams from running your players in the first place (more "intimidation" then picking fights). Or if one just sees an Enforcer as an otherwise useless goon that "evens things up" after a cheap hit.

Posted by: blackjack65 | December 16, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Detroit never had an enforcer during their dynasty. They rolled four lines and made people pay on the power play. I say we emulate that. The threat of hurting your team by giving a great power play a chance is much more threat than a goon would be, especially come playoff time.

Posted by: TheFunBunch | December 16, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

OK SAZZWHO, stop it with the cogent, well-reasoned comments!

Posted by: tfirey | December 16, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

This.

I'm just wondering what an enforcer would have done at this point? Yes, engage the other guy- like Erskine did. Enforcer, as far as I can tell, are there to deter stuff like this from happening. Pretty sure Koci had his mind made up and wouldn't have cared if we had (insert favorite enforcer here) on our team anyway. With the way our 3rd/4th line guys are playing right now- I most certainly would not want to use up one of those spots on a guy that plays 7 mins a night, on the chance we MAY need him.

Posted by: Fro_ | December 16, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ShariLeigh131 | December 16, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Having coached myself for many years it is true that the coach is just as responsible for the behavior of his players as the players themselves. They know who their players are and put them on the ice for exactly that reason. Start fining the head coaches of the teams whose goons blatantly hurt opposing players and are suspended/fined and I suspect the problem will lessen.

Posted by: AADCDERM | December 16, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

no.

i agree with BB, let the goons make the mistakes and then make the rest of the team pay for it in goals. i think that our tightknit goon-free team is far superior BECAUSE they will stand up for each other without trying to earn a boxing championship! erskine didnt have the prettiest bout but he stood up for green and thats all that is needed. Same with Brads,

No offense to brash, he was great to have and I love him but I'll take goals and points over boxers and game misconducts any day of the week.

ps- people who try to say that Ovie is a dirty player are debasing themselves by proving their knowledge of hockey and Ovie are superficial. Dont get sucked into the conversation. To quote Barney Frank, "Trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table... I have no interest in doing it."

Posted by: mrszilla | December 16, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

no.

i agree with BB, let the goons make the mistakes and then make the rest of the team pay for it in goals. i think that our tightknit goon-free team is far superior BECAUSE they will stand up for each other without trying to earn a boxing championship! erskine didnt have the prettiest bout but he stood up for green and thats all that is needed. Same with Brads,

No offense to brash, he was great to have and I love him but I'll take goals and points over boxers and game misconducts any day of the week.

ps- people who try to say that Ovie is a dirty player are debasing themselves by proving their knowledge of hockey and Ovie are superficial. Dont get sucked into the conversation. To quote Barney Frank, "Trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table... I have no interest in doing it."

Posted by: mrszilla | December 16, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

if they're not gonna have an enforcer on the team, everyone has to be more aware of the situation and who's on the ice when the game gets outta hand like last night.

Green was too lackadaisical handling the puck behind the goal. He should have better prepared to give that guy an elbow to the chin when he took a run at him. The game was 5 to nothing at that point... everyone knew something like that was likely to happen.

Posted by: joek443 | December 16, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

AADCDERM

Agreed...coaches need to be held responsible for their players actions. Any blatant attempt by a player to hurt another should mean a suspension for the player and a fine for the coach...but then every Philly coach would be broke...hmm...I am liking this idea more and more!

Posted by: capscoach | December 16, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

We need Kimbo Slice

Posted by: SA-Town | December 16, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Not a goon, just some bigger tough guys that play hockey too. Watching the Pens and Flyers last night, we need to add one or two tougher guys to beat the Pens. Hopefully the scouts are looking for that type of defense men.

Posted by: jmcale57 | December 16, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

AADCDERM

Agreed...coaches need to be held responsible for their players actions. Any blatant attempt by a player to hurt another should mean a suspension for the player and a fine for the coach...but then every Philly coach would be broke...hmm...I am liking this idea more and more!

Posted by: capscoach | December 16, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

The caps need someoneone on the team who will step up and take a guy like Koci off the ice as soon as he leaves the bench. The caps were up by five goals in someone elses barn in the second period. Koci gets like one shift a game. NO mystery why he is out there in that situation, none.

Posted by: LIVINIT1 | December 16, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Sorry bout the double post.... just to add something- do people think having brash before stopped people from taking runs at our stars? i am strongly leaning towards no... but am open to other opinions.

Posted by: mrszilla | December 16, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

No enforcer. A skill player that will fight when needed, yes. Shanni would fight and score. Players like Simon, Hunter, Tochet, Hatcher, Stevens, Claude Lemiux, etc. Hard to find guys but well worth-it.

Can play the position but have a mean streak. The only thing I think this team is missing is the 'Don't piss that guy off' type of player.

Posted by: cadlecreek1 | December 16, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but what good did the tough guys do last night vs the Pens?

Looks like the Flyers are left in the dust with their tough guys.

Posted by: SA-Town | December 16, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Detroit never had an enforcer during their dynasty. They rolled four lines and made people pay on the power play. I say we emulate that. The threat of hurting your team by giving a great power play a chance is much more threat than a goon would be, especially come playoff time.

Posted by: TheFunBunch | December 16, 2009 1:02 PM

They did have Darren McCarthy who was never shy about dropping the gloves. He was also a legit 3rd or 4th liner who could actually give you production instead of being there just to kick someone's a@@

Posted by: Moose33 | December 16, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Can play the position but have a mean streak. The only thing I think this team is missing is the 'Don't piss that guy off' type of player.

------

That actually sounds like you just described Ovechkin - even though he doesn't fight.

Posted by: Raber | December 16, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Too bad there isn't already someone in the system, a defenseman with a good +/- perhaps, who could use his size to protect his teammates. Maybe someone in the 6'5" or so range, maybe 230 lbs. They should ask around, ask Jeff Schultz if he can think of anybody.

Posted by: uncatim | December 16, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

joek, you bring up a good point. when it's 5-0 late in the second and a tool like koci is on the ice, it's not because they think he's going to pop in a quick goal or two. not sure how long koci had been out there at the time, but everyone should be aware.

however, you cant put this on green. ive seen other post suggesting he was lazy. when he moved the puck, koci was still in the face off circle. he shouldn't have to worry about being slamming into the glass at that point. not even sure he know who it was at that point. i dont think we want green popping guys like koci in the chin.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 16, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I agree that an "enforcer" under the standard definition of a goon is not needed. Our "enforcer" is the powerplay.

Take a cheat shot on Bradly and give us a powerplay.. you lose.

Duco runs someone on a cheap shot.. and our powerplay comes out and makes them lose.

Has anyone heard the rumors about Filatov? Now that is something to ponder. I would think he's like a younger Semin almost.. but it's clear he's in the same doghouse Nylander was in.. only in Columbus (or KHL now). Not sure we need him, but if he were to thrive in the NHL, it would be here in DC.

Posted by: fricknoutstandin | December 16, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Too bad there isn't already someone in the system, a defenseman with a good +/- perhaps, who could use his size to protect his teammates. Maybe someone in the 6'5" or so range, maybe 230 lbs. They should ask around, ask Jeff Schultz if he can think of anybody.

Posted by: uncatim | December 16, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

hahahahahaha

laughs aside, i do think erskin, poti, brads etc cover this need. I mean its not like anyone has been boarded and we haven't had someone to respond. to me it seems like they are all ready to defend a teammate and i'd rather have that kind of camaraderie vs one guy who sucks up $$ and doesnt play unless there is a fight.

btw i wonder what koci thinks of BB's comments on him... thought BB had some amazing zingers in there!

Posted by: mrszilla | December 16, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand the the purpose of an enforcer in today's and especially in tomorrow's NHL. If we still had DB would that have stopped Koci from making that hit? No, all it does is "punish" Koci for doing it. Personally, a 6-1 beating or the 8-2 murder of Philly is more of a punishment. Plus that is a wasted roster spot come playoff time.

Posted by: NFeKPo | December 16, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Detroit's enforcer could hurt you in more ways than 1. Bob Probert could also score.
Matt Bradley is a perfect example of a tough guy who can score. The only difference is that Brads actually has a brain and plays hockey the right way. If any of you are still looking for the reason Perreault was sent down. Size! Wilson is a bigger player and is not as easily bumped off the puck.

Posted by: psugolf | December 16, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Do we need an enforcer? No. Our PP is our enforcer.

Posted by: horace1 | December 16, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

The Caps don't need a "hatchet man". On the other hand if they could get a Cam Neely type who can kick your butt and has game then I am all for that.

Posted by: fatboy08 | December 16, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I fail to see how an "enforcer" would have prevented that. The Averys and Steve Otts of the world don't answer the bell, so what good is chasing them around later going to do, and the enforcer will not be out on the ice when the stars are unless they can score as well (unlikely and expensive).

I don't think we need another forward. I like the forward lines as they are just fine, and Brads and Erskine is enough when the going gets rough. As others have said, make them pay on the power play. (Good on Erskine for going after Koci without a second thought, and I don't care about the instigator.) I see no reason to shake up a good set of forward lines to add something that isn't likely to do us a lot of good because because it makes fans feel better.

Posted by: kittypawz | December 16, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

btw, the rangers have an enforcer. how they doing?

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 16, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I need to remember to read the Bog more regularly. The "Caps lost 17 defensemen" and the swipe at the Wizards were both pretty good stuff. Sports is supposed to be fun, after all.

But, Dan left Ben Clymer off his list. Tut-tut.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | December 16, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

If a Scott Stevens type was available I think we would want him too!

Posted by: fatboy08 | December 16, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

The best enforcer in hockey? A 6-1 lead in retaliation.

Posted by: JD09 | December 16, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

SA-Town:Sorry, but what good did the tough guys do last night vs the Pens?

Looks like the Flyers are left in the dust with their tough guys.


Good point and note that Pronger has a rep and is "mean" but he never stepped in nor was challenged and Philly got creamed for all their "Team Toughness."

Posted by: CapCenter105 | December 16, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Getting an enforcer won't stop us from scoring 7 goals and getting other teams mad enough that they'll board our guys. It would be a reaction response for the enforcer to step in after the fact so I see no reason to get an enforcer to fill that 23rd roster spot.

Posted by: alee06 | December 16, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Wait...you don't think Matt Bradley is an enforcer??

All the blood that gushes from his head and face scares the crap out of the oppostion.

Posted by: hockeypuck1 | December 16, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

raber -> Ovi is great but doesn't yet have the same 'fear factor'. He get's pissed he starts cherry pciking ala jj68 and looking to run people and leave himself way out of position. The guys I listed above just took out whoever was closest, no questions asked. If Ovi throws down and starts beating people, then we have our guy. I don't see Ovi throwing down and don't really want him to.

Posted by: cadlecreek1 | December 16, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Enforcers are a thing of the past, romanticized by those who miss the "good ol' days" of goonism. A team high on skill like the Caps wouldn't dress an enforcer once the playoffs start anyway.

Posted by: Jumpy66 | December 16, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

mrszilla

Did you just call Poti an enforcer? Poti couldn't move RJ Umberger from the crease after cross-checking him 18 times in the back. Now Poti might have a great ground game, maybe some blueline jujistsu... He is very comfortable on the ground.

Posted by: JSchon | December 16, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Does having an "enforcer" keep Koci from hitting Green? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Having an enforcer doesn't keep another team's enforcer from running at one of your skill players.

Enforcers are used to intimidate the other teams skill players and to exact retribution for tough or dirty hits against your team. The Caps goal scoring prowess exacts plenty of retribution and does plenty of intimidation. Plus the league isn't shy with the suspensions.

I would really like to see the league penalize the TEAM as well as the player in the case of a suspension. Something like $250,000 per day of suspension. You think GMs and owners are going to keep enforcers around when they start costing their team $1+ million per incident?

Posted by: butcherbaker | December 16, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

For people who argue we don't need an enforcer, I think the key question you need to answer is: why are guys taking runs at our players like they never did last season?

This hit on Green isn't the first time, it's at least the 3rd separate incident. When Brash was on our team that didn't happen, in my memory.

Do you think the difference is just coincidence?

Further, we non-NHL players talk about whether it makes a difference, but I don't think most of us know what the dynamics really are for the players. I've seen evidence that there is more going on than meets the eye, and I think it'd be great to try to talk more to players about what an enforcer does and doesn't mean for this issue.

Posted by: ralph4100 | December 16, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

The Caps don't need an enforcer.
The League needs to enforce the rules and hand out harsher disciplinary actions against people like Koci. Give him a 15 game suspension - NO PAY - I guarantee he'll think twice about that type of hit in the future! It's time to get the goons out of hockey and play the game right.

Posted by: hersheybearfan | December 16, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

No enforcer! I wrote in a few hours back with this same opinion. The league is evolving away from the goon/enforcer mentality... too much talent out there to fill the roster with enforcer types. Also, I think the NHL is a much more sophisticated game and above goonmanship. If the league were to heavily PENALIZE the teams when dirty play is pushed, very little would occur. Suspensions are not the answer because, in most cases, the enforcer is a low-skill, minimal time per game player that would not be missed. Penalize the crap out of a team like what happened in Philly (what was it... 9 mins)
and let the victimized team rack up the points. In time, the enforcers would become extinct.

Posted by: gonchpup | December 16, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

@ralph4100
Huh? Other teams ran at the Caps all the time last season. Green got boarded by Pronger last season. Brashear did nothing but fight other goons, hardly a deterrent.

Posted by: koalatek | December 16, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

When are they going to make an announcement on Koci! He better get time for that hit.

Posted by: capscoach | December 16, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I said this in the thread last night but what is the point of an enforcer? Does any one really think a guy like Koci would have stopped just because he was going to have to fight. Let’s say that our enforcer was even on the ice when it all went down, because otherwise the enforcer doesn't even get to touch Koci, all that changes is Koci might lose the fight instead of winning it. Does anyone really think a guy with over 100 fights in the NHL and AHL really cares about who he is fighting? Koci would still have done the exact same thing.

And maybe you think our enforcer shouldn't just fight the other enforcer but should go after the others team's stars like Koci did with Green. Then at that point we are just as bad the Avs for having a guy that is just out there to hurt. It is not like the other teams top guys are going to engage an enforcer anyway. So then we have a guy who is going to try and fight someone who isn't ready to fight (sound familiar?) Guys like Koci do nothing to help their team and the Caps do not need one of them in their lineup.

Posted by: icehammer97 | December 16, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

butcherbaker I like that idea about hurting the teams for suspensions. I think it would help get these type of players out of the game.

Posted by: icehammer97 | December 16, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

@koalatek Pronger's hit on Green last season was nothing like Koci's hit on Green last night. For one thing, it wasn't from behind. For another, he wasn't charging. Maybe there are other examples I'm not remembering, but the Pronger hit ain't it.

Posted by: ralph4100 | December 16, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

The game is passing by the guys that are there to fight and get 4 minutes of ice time- even Colorado doesn't want the goon!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | December 16, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Need one? No.

Could they benefit from having one? Maybe. Whose place would that player take? Not Nylander's since he didn't have a place to begin with. Are you going to give him Fleischmann's or Fehr's spot? No? How about Bradley or Clark's spot?

How freaked out would people be if the Caps picked up an enforcer type and Matt Bradley got to spend the rest of the season on the bench as a result?

Posted by: aybee27 | December 16, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

For some reason, when I think about the enforcer "problem", my mind gravitates to the movie RollerBall. Specifically, the point where the one character is rabbit punched in the neck from behind and killed. Is this where we are heading? I hope not. If we send out our big guy to generally discourage violence, doesn't that mean THEY have to get a bigger one too?

Gee sounds like the cold war again. Complete with Russian Machines...

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?

Posted by: jdhoover | December 16, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

On the possible suspension, the Avs don't play again until Saturday so the league can take their time in doing the interviews and deciding the punishment. They also may be waiting to see exactally how hurt Green is.

Posted by: icehammer97 | December 16, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

@joek, @dcsportsfan1

I'm in the Green's-got-to-be-more-aware camp. Doesn't excuse Koci or Colorado for putting him on the ice, both should get sanctioned.

Brashear's last act as a Capital was that cheap shot on Blair Betts. I think it turned BB's stomach (did you read/hear his comments last night) and Brash was done here. He can tolerate the "enforcer" if it's just the circus show, but if they go out to hurt the real players, not so good.

Posted by: RedLitYogi | December 16, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

The trend I see that I like is that the Caps get upset when stuff like that happens, and they just don't let up like they would if they're not mad. Every time they get cheap-shotted and it gets called, they respond by crushing the other team utterly with no chance at life. It's happened three times this month, and don't think that coaches around the league haven't noticed.

Posted by: kittypawz | December 16, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

no.

Additionally, more than enough ink has been spilled on this subject and nowhere near enough on the great play of Kyle Wilson. Tarik, any chance we'll hear more about the kid before Friday's game?

Posted by: Sonyask | December 16, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

mrszilla

Did you just call Poti an enforcer? Poti couldn't move RJ Umberger from the crease after cross-checking him 18 times in the back. Now Poti might have a great ground game, maybe some blueline jujistsu... He is very comfortable on the ground.

Posted by: JSchon | December 16, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

haha yea... well not EXACTLY. good point, but i was more alluding to the fact that none of them are really enforcers but poti has stepped up before to defend another player just like brads and erskinei mean really most of our players, tough or not, seem willing to throw themselves into the mix for a teammate and thats the type of players i am saying we need.

Posted by: mrszilla | December 16, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Goons are taking more shots at Caps players because the Caps are the highlight this year; look at the record. I do miss Brash though, but I am one of the few.

Posted by: RuskiSi | December 16, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Ralph4100: Last year Semin was checked hard in the back and injured for what would take about three weeks to recover. The culprit was someone on St. Louis named. Brash throughout the rest of the game "stared" at the player and tried to get him to fight, but the player wouldn't go.

When teams play each other 4-6 times a year, there's the deterrent of knowing you have to face them again. Koci though can hammer Green, knowing they don't meet again until next year (just like the guy on the Blues last year).

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 16, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I see the poll has over 1800 votes and is 65% "No."

I suppose we have to wait for the western polling booths to close before CNBC "calls" the winner.

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 16, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Blah blah blah Caps don't need an enforcer...are you freakin' serious? Perhaps the pacifists here should become fans of curling (a great but very non-violent sport also played with sticks). The NHL has no will or ability to adequately police the players who are bent on wreaking havoc and destruction. The idea should be to DETER the dirty stuff, not penalize after the damage is done. Though I do not wish to see it happen, maybe the Caps need to lose Ovie, Semin, Green and our other star players to hits like this before the people with blinders on will see the usefulness of enlisting an enforcer who will make the other teams star players pay. Not the staged fight nonsense, but back to "you headhunt our top guys, then your guys are going down too". Maybe get 2 enforcers so if one gets thrown out/suspended then the Caps will still have protection. Or, we can hope that all the big boys on the other teams will just decide the Caps aren't such bad guys and play paddycakes with them instead of trying to put 'em through the glass. It's definitely time to channel a little bit of the Philthy Flyers. As for the non-pugilistic types, curling will be shown during the Olympics, so set those DVR boxes. Paging the Hansons...

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | December 16, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Goons are taking more shots at Caps players because the Caps are the highlight this year; look at the record. I do miss Brash though, but I am one of the few.

Posted by: RuskiSi | December 16, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I do miss brash... but i think thats just me being sentimental. when it comes down to it he really didnt have a lot of minutes and i think his impact was more his vet status on the team.

Posted by: mrszilla | December 16, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

It's definitely time to channel a little bit of the Philthy Flyers. -MetalCapsFan

And have their record right now? hm.... nah. im happy in the top spot, they have have their goons, ill take our goals.

Posted by: mrszilla | December 16, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

No. We answer it with PP goals and wins, and that's mostly what we've done. I think devoting a roster spot to someone just with that role is a waste. If we have a few people, such as Erskine or Brads, who are willing to take off the gloves every now and then in a situation such as last night, fine.

Brashear was interesting as a personality, he had his moments, but nearly every time he stepped onto the ice, I saw a wasted opportunity to make them pay on the scoreboard and the potential to be on the PK, thereby giving the other team the advantage that counts in the end.

Posted by: Steakum | December 16, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1 the Semin hit that injured him (the one I'm thinking about, when he was actually re-injured -- maybe there was a 1st one I can't remember) is a better example than the clean Pronger hit on Green, because it was a cross check. However, if I remember correctly, the ref didn't even call a penalty on that play, which Boudreau complained about after the game. Clearly that's not in the same class as Koci's bat-out-of-hell charge, board and hit from behind on Green last night.

You guys could be right that there isn't a deterrent effect, especially against teams we don't play that often. But there seems to be a marked difference this year in terms of guys taking runs at our guys, and a major difference is we don't have Brash. Also, NHL players seem to generally say enforcers make a big difference.

Posted by: ralph4100 | December 16, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

we always want what we don't have...

we don't have an enforcer, but we have the league's best PP...for me thats good enough. extended PPs are FUN!!!

if BB and GMGM say that these kids are tough and they'll stick up for themselves...i'll take them at face value.

Posted by: carsonspence | December 16, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

What hockey fans need to realize that non-hockey fans always mention "fighting" when you try to talk about hockey with non-hockey fans. They don't know about the graceful agility needed, and the exceitement of a breakaway, because that stupid gonn/fighting garbage holds hockey back from being more widely accepted IMHO.

We need to strongly penalize and suspend players who do those checks to the back against the boards. After dozens of 5 minute major penalties and a slew of PPGs, teams will stop that grarbage and start playing hockey.

We need to eliminate fighting in Hockey...NOW.

Posted by: craigjtmp | December 16, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

The enforcer/defenseman is in the system. He is not quite ready, but I hope in the next year or so he is. Last time I looked he was still in South Carolina and only a plus 1 with a first place team. Joe Finley. I hope he can improve enough soon that he can make the roster. He likes the rough stuff and is huge.

Posted by: RichC3 | December 16, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

This argument is stupid.

Posted by: Chad8 | December 16, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I originally voted yes to an inforcer but reading everyones comments changes my mind. I think that there is no longer a need for goons in the game but i want to point out that it is not always goons who take cheap shots. Skill players too make mistakes especially when playing at a high speed. Last night's hit on Green was a vicious attempt to send a message. Koci didnt care what the result would be. The NHL needs to have zero tolerance on these types of incidents. 20 games and a hefty fine to the team.

Posted by: bigschu8 | December 16, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

To all the "PP is our enforcer" comments: are all of you so naive to think that opposition coaches don't target the other teams top offensive players? Didn't that just happen in the Blue Jackets game earlier this season? And everyone was so shocked and surprised? And, do you think a player who is told by his coach to go out and wreck someone is gonna disobey and risk losing his job? (See: Mark Crawford telling Todd Bertuzzi to get Steve Moore). At the end of the day, if coaches know the way to beat the Caps is to shut down the power play, you can bet that they will be looking to knock out our offensive stars, especially as the season progresses and the race for the playoffs heats up. There's millions of dollars at stake for team owners, as well as coaches who want to keep their jobs, and players who want to keep roster spots. So, if the only way to knock off the top team is to literally beat them up, you can be sure that's exactly what will happen in this era of ineffective enforcement by Colin Campbell and his clique at the League offices. Watch our vaunted power play go the way of the dodo when our top guys are logging time on their couches at home recovering from injuries sustained due to dirty play rather than being on the ice where they should be. I hope I don't get the chance to be an I told you so.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | December 16, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Would anyone have preferred for them to re-sign Brash in the offense instead of picking up BMo? Anyone that feels this team NEEDS an enforcer should answer yes to that question...

Posted by: Chad8 | December 16, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

In the off season, I voted to keep Brashear. Good thing that I am not the GM bec that would've been a mistake. The Rangers are understandably regretting spending the $2.8 mil on Brash. He has been injured much of the season so far and hasn't helped when he has been playing.
Since I have a say over the computer, I vote NO to having an enforcer. I am proud of what Ted, GMGM, and Bouds have done w the Caps. I'd like to have a Pronger type at the right price. But I am pleased w what Erskine and Brads have been able to do.
And Btw, SnowQueen or Russian Standard are my fav vodkas.

Posted by: capsfan01 | December 16, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

*correction*: sign Brash in the offseason... oops, headcold kickin

Posted by: Chad8 | December 16, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

horace1: How is the powerplay an enforcer in a 5-0 game?

Posted by: B-LeaguerD | December 16, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

horace1: How is the powerplay an enforcer in a 5-0 game?

Posted by: B-LeaguerD | December 16, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

the philly game is probably a better example but when it comes down to it by being on the pk for so long teams wear themselves out and out pp unit is able to shutdown the game entirely.

Posted by: mrszilla | December 16, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

The idea should be to DETER the dirty stuff

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | December 16, 2009 3:11 PM

a player that gets suspended loses his pay for those games.
if you want to keep teams from 'encouraging' this then maybe the coach should be fined 10% of the total of the salary lost by the player AND the team is fined a 100% of the salary lost

this would certainly deter the coach and the team from sending a goon out on the ice just to be a goon

sometimes stuff happens (like ovi) but i think it would reduce the mentality of "OK Koci - get out there - you know what to do"

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | December 16, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

mrszilla: the philly game was not out of hand UNTIL the 9 minute powerplay. This game was already out of hand. Do you really think Colorado cared if it went to six or seven? The fact that Koci was on the ice PROVES that the PP is not an enforcer in this situation.

Posted by: B-LeaguerD | December 16, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

@ see the poll has over 1800 votes and is 65% "No."

I suppose we have to wait for the western polling booths to close before CNBC "calls" the winner.

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 16, 2009 3:11 PM


How many of the votes come from the great state of Florida? We may have a recount of the ballots do to some "hanging chads"...

Damn Florida could screw up a perfect storm....just kidding of course.

Posted by: Capsfannmiss | December 16, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Koci was going to take a run at Green whether we had an enforcer or not. Someone else said that if we had an enforcer, he would not have been on the ice for that play. So, what, our enforcer then goes after Koci on another shift? Oops, he can't because Koci was kicked out.

An enforcer would have done NOTHING.

You want this to stop, SUSPEND AND FINE THE COACHES. They are the ones who sends these goons out there.

Posted by: CTCapsPhan | December 16, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

If you can't taste the difference between Gilbey's and Grey Goose, then you probably shouldn't be drinking vodka anyway.

Posted by: Jumpy66 | December 16, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

mrszilla: the philly game was not out of hand UNTIL the 9 minute powerplay. This game was already out of hand. Do you really think Colorado cared if it went to six or seven? The fact that Koci was on the ice PROVES that the PP is not an enforcer in this situation.

Posted by: B-LeaguerD | December 16, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

hence my saying the philly game was a better example. im not even the one who said pp is the enforcer, i think overall having a team of talented guys who will stand up for each other is better than having one enforcer.

but the fact stands, if you are on the pp the whole game the other team cant catch up. coming back from a 5 goal deficit in the 2nd period is improbably but not impossible. his penalty just took away any chance they may have had, even if that chance was just the make the score more respectable.

not sure whats so hard to understand....

pp= good. pk=bad. done.

Posted by: mrszilla | December 16, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

*improbable... not improbably....

Posted by: mrszilla | December 16, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I agree with just about everyone here, except for the people who think hockey is nothing but fighting. We need some tough guys who are willing to fight to stand up for their team. Erskine, Brads, (we're looking at you Schultz) and we have that. Now, goons/enforcers whose roll is specifically to fight... what does that gain us at this point? The Kocis the Carcillos are still going to run at our guys, because they don't care and they want to change the momentum. Now say we do have an enforcer... He goes after the guy the powerplays get washed out and now our real form of retribution (SCORING!) is gone.

Posted by: DarkHorseCards | December 16, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

"The fact that Koci was on the ice PROVES that the PP is not an enforcer in this situation. " (B-LeaguerD)

Next time Philly plays the Caps the coach reminds them "hey play smart out there....remember what they did to us last time we were reckless?". That's how the powerplay works as a deterent. Other teams come to realize that you don't play with fire with teams whose powerplays WILL take advantage of dumb penalties.

In that same line of thought, most teams probably know by now that you don't want to make Ovechkin mad.

Posted by: megatroll1 | December 16, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

How many of the votes come from the great state of Florida? We may have a recount of the ballots do to some "hanging chads"...

Posted by: Capsfannmiss | December 16, 2009 3:51 PM

Why don't we ask Chad8?

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 16, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

If you can't taste the difference between Gilbey's and Grey Goose, then you probably shouldn't be drinking vodka anyway.

Posted by: Jumpy66 | December 16, 2009 3:53 PM

Jumpy, that was a totally absurd thing to say. A better asnwer is, if you can't taste the difference, regardless of reason, why waste the money?

Go to the Doofus Brigade!!!

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 16, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

A brash/orr/koci type? Nope.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 16, 2009 12:32 PM |

Posted by: richmondphil | December 16, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Go to the Doofus Brigade!!!

Posted by: tominfl1

_________________________________________

I guess cost is a determining factor in Washington, DC, where unemployment is about 12%, or 20% higher than the national average. Sorry for so callously disregarding your impoverished living conditions.

Posted by: Jumpy66 | December 16, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Grey Goose is not good vodka. That's why that's a bad example.

And Btw, SnowQueen or Russian Standard are my fav vodkas.

Posted by: capsfan01 | December 16, 2009 3:33 PM |

SnowQueen is expensive.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 16, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I guess cost is a determining factor in Washington, DC, where unemployment is about 12%, or 20% higher than the national average. Sorry for so callously disregarding your impoverished living conditions.

Posted by: Jumpy66 | December 16, 2009 4:13 PM |

You can read right?

Tom- in - FL

Why the personal attacks over vodka? Jesus.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 16, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

New poll: does this board need an enforcer?

At least we have the doofus brigade as our metaphorical sin bin

Posted by: mrszilla | December 16, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I agree with MetalCapsFan for the most part, but he is coming off a bit strong.

Enforcers are needed, but like I said, their roles are dramatically changing within the new NHL.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 16, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Also, sort of related, the instigator rule is the worst rule in professional sports history.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 16, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I don't know, Phil, I guess he couldn't tell I was joking and took it personal. He's obviously sensitive about this. I mean, he is using a Penguin handle.

My point still holds - why pay $10 for something if you are happy with the $5 product?

Don't a lot of people sit in the 400s?

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 16, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

When you are up 5-0 or what ever it was & have embarrassed them already.

We didn't run up the score after Koci did that.

If you feel justice hasn't been serve.
You run 1 of their's.

No enforcer needed there.
Instant gratification.

Posted by: Rocc00 | December 16, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

No enforcer. They do more harm than good by filling a roster slot with a player that (99% of the time) is worthless except for his fists. That slot is better filled with a goal scorer or with a shut-down defensive player.

Posted by: hockeylugnut | December 16, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

mrszilla: You can be the enforcer, if you want, but then it's your face and knuckles that you're putting on the line.

I like being on Doofus patrol. I just point em out. Of course, that sometimes means I get shot at...

(see jumpy66 above)

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 16, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

No enforcer needed there.
Instant gratification.

Posted by: Rocc00 | December 16, 2009 4:26 PM |

I like the way you think.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 16, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I think both sides of the enforcer debate have been talked about so much everyone is just repeating things.

On a side note Nylander seems to be happy in Grand Rapids as he had 3 assists in his first game (missed in the shoot out though) in a loss for Grand Rapids. Does anyone know if the Caps could still trade him this season if there is someone in the NHL who becomes interested close to the deadline when his cap hit wouldn't kill a team? I am thinking someone like LA who have plenty of Cap space and could be looking for help at the deadline.

Posted by: icehammer97 | December 16, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

why pay $10 for something if you are happy with the $5 product?

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 16, 2009 4:23 PM |


Exactly. I mean, at $4.99 a bottle- Barefoot is one of the best out there. Perhaps I'm using a bad example...

Posted by: Fro_ | December 16, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Since we'll never achieve consensus on the enforcer topic, I propose two new topics:
1) Did you agree with the two "no goal" calls last night?

2) Should seamless glass be outlawed?

IMHO, wrt #1, both were close but I thought COL's goal probably should've counted. Wrt #2, absolutely, that stuff is not safe for the players.

Posted by: AleksanderOMunchkin | December 16, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if the Caps could still trade him this season if there is someone in the NHL who becomes interested close to the deadline when his cap hit wouldn't kill a team? I am thinking someone like LA who have plenty of Cap space and could be looking for help at the deadline.

Posted by: icehammer97 | December 16, 2009 4:34 PM |

Yes, we can still trade him. The question is if he has to clear re-entry waivers because if he needs to do that to be traded, that's not good for us.

Nyls to LA rumors have been rampant for the last year. They have somewhat of a void at 2nd line center, since Stoll and Handzus are borderline 2nd/3rd line centers.

As a Kings fan, I don't want Nyls to be in LA. However, if it meant it was bettering the Caps, then go for it.

Nyls, Poti for Frolov. (haha..i wish)

Posted by: richmondphil | December 16, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

1) Did you agree with the two "no goal" calls last night?

2) Should seamless glass be outlawed?

IMHO, wrt #1, both were close but I thought COL's goal probably should've counted. Wrt #2, absolutely, that stuff is not safe for the players.

Posted by: AleksanderOMunchkin | December 16, 2009 4:37 PM |

Laich's goal was obvious. Their called off goal was good, but i'm not complaining.

I think Locker and JoeB hyped up this "seamless glass" thing way to much. It's really not that big of an issue, and it has it's upsides as well.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 16, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil touched on it, but what I'm more mad about is that they gave Erskine the instigator for fighting Koci. Everyone knew as soon as Green got hit, someone was going to fight Koci (and Erskine should have), but to throw the instigator in there and take away part of that powerplay is stupid. That is not the situation where an instigator is intended, and the refs got that wrong last night.
As far as enforcers go, I don't think it would have mattered as far as what happened last night. All the enforcer could've done was either fight Koci or take a run at another player. I don't think either of those are good options.

Posted by: Capcrazy77 | December 16, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

@richmodphil

I know Frolov is a pretty good hockey player. But did I read somewhere that Frolov was a bit- "bleck" in terms of his attitude? I couldn't think of a good word to use.

I could be dead wrong however- as I can't even remember if/where I read it.

Posted by: Fro_ | December 16, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

This seems like the Habs are just toying with Philly now.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=302443

"Hey buddy, you want this? Huh??"

Posted by: Fro_ | December 16, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Nope, that's Frolov. He gets pegged the same way that Semin does. "Bleck" might be the best word to describe it, haha.

However, Frolov is a defensively sound forward with the hands of Semin/Datsyuk. He doesn't have the offensive instinct that Semin or Ovi has, but he can pot 30+ goals.

Sometimes people try to say he takes games off, and maybe that's true. But honestly, you can say that about any Kings player for the last couple of years...except D Brown. Kopitar was given the same criticism by some not even a year ago.

I think Frolov would fit in perfectly here with the Caps. Though I don't think we necessarily need another top 6 caliber forward like Frolov ( a center would be preferred), he'll be a good adition.

Also, I commented yesterday about Filatov. I said I did not want him. However, if it was a trade like Nyls + Poti (haha..I wish), then go for it.


Posted by: richmondphil | December 16, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Nylander he is on NHL network right now.

Posted by: icehammer97 | December 16, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Nylander on NHL network. He said nothing bad about the Caps or how things went down. Said he is happy to be playing and looking to get back into shape. He also said, when asked, that he still holds out a small bit of hope that he can find a way to play in the NHL this season. Some, including me, have said he put himself before the team by not changing his style ect. but one thing no one can say is that he acted like a baby by trashing the team in the media. I am glad he is gone and that he is being classy about it.

Posted by: icehammer97 | December 16, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Enforcer - No, we don't need a good enforcer however MetalCapsFan has a point that having a "mean streak" guy is still needed but he has to have the skills as well. Isn't that what they are saying about Della Rovere? Isn't he supposedly a pest type that can score but also mix it up?

We don't need Frolov.

Why no discussion of Wilson's game? He played great. He has size and good hands. He showed great hockey sense with that slap pass to Flash for his 2nd goal. I am not saying he is the 2nd coming or anything but he did a great job.

I agree with the no goal on Brooksie's goal and I thought he did great on his blueline shifts.

I think the ref blew the whistle a little early on their potential goal but that's the breaks sometimes.

I trust TominFL's Doofus Brigade appointments completely.

I am all about the Aristocrat Vodka (just received my acceptance to the Doofus Academy)

And finally, yes Tom the real fans are in the 400s.

Posted by: pkendrick | December 16, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

On the waved off Col goal, the way I saw the replay the puck never stopped, was never under Theodore, and I thought they blew that one. Didn't see our kick-in so I can't comment.

Posted by: LouLewis | December 16, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Glad Nylander is doing well in Grand Rapids. That he didn't trash the Caps organization was classy. It didn't work out for him w the Caps, but good luck to him finding a place to fit in elsewhere in the NHL.
And as for the PP on a 5:0 game: the players don't want to be shutout on home ice. And it is tiring playing PK for so long. So it is still a deterrent.
RichmondPhil: Snow Queen is expensive, but if I am drinking vodka straight w caviar as a prep I prefer it. It is only on occasions that I get to drink it anyway.

Posted by: capsfan01 | December 16, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Caps dont need an enforcer.I know erskine and brads arent really considerd enforcers but they do just fine.The way the caps put on there punishment is by scoreing goals and thats just fine by me.Beat em where it counts,on the scoreboard.Now i dont want our caps to get beat up but even our star player can take up for himself and we got guys to step in when needed so i think the caps are doin just fine with what there doin and what they got.GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: gratefuldid | December 16, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Taking fighting out of hockey is just plain silly. Taking out the unnecessary cheap shots that threatens the players themselves makes total sense. Fighting is part of what makes this game great. Defending your teammate in ANY other sport typically results in an ejection/suspension. No other sport is as graceful and violent as pro hockey. Period. If you don't like the fighting then look elswhere. Has the era of the enforcer ended? Yes. But it doesn't mean we can't enjoy a good scrum once in awhile. The Caps proved this last night.

Posted by: cedneil | December 16, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

this is Hockey remember? Not checkers! Yes I would like to see GMGM trade any defenseman except Green, Alzner and of course Carlson to Minnesota for Boogard. The Caps could save some more money, unload a soft pylon in the rear, pick up a bad dude who will be a fan favorite and allow Alzner and Carlson to be in the line-up all the time like they should. They will save moneyyyyyyy!!!!!!

Posted by: ReedRothchild | December 16, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

@ralph4100:

I totally agree. Is it really okay iwth you uys if other teams take runs at our best players and we lose them to injury? I don't care how many goals we score on the ensuing 5min + PP if Green, Semin or Backie is out 2 months with a shoulder injury or out for the playoffs because of a concussion. An enforcer makes those guys think twice before pulling that crap.

We need a guy who falls into that category of "Don't piss that guy off". I vote for Chris Neil from Ottawa. He has offense and he doesn't bleed as much as Bradley (and I ain't knocking Bradley, he's a beast!)

Trade Schultz for that someone. He plays like diarrhea. We should have resigned Matt Cooke. He's that type.

Posted by: jmurray019 | December 16, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

I voted no. The Caps don't need a thug type guy, who can't really play. As far as an enforcer who can play as well, like Donald Brashear, they have John Erskine. Washington has a few other tough guys also, and they have skills to go along with their toughness.

Posted by: DAN-JR | December 16, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

We don't need an "enforcer." Save the money to help us get a strong, crease-clearing, stay-at-home defenseman to use in key situations. That is all we need to complete the Caps playoff package and make us one of the favorites to win the Cup.

Posted by: StevefromSacto | December 16, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

There's a simple way to take care of this as well as kneeing and headshots.

--Intentional blow to the head is an automatic 10 minute penalty.
--Boarding is an automatic 8 minute penalty.
--Kneeing someone is an automatic 6 minute penalty.

In addition, to make sure that penalties aren't taken when a game is lost (as in the Colorado game), or near the end, each of these penalties will result in an extra 5-minutes tacked on to the beginning of the offending team's next game.

Forget suspensions, once you have powerplays that range from 6 to 10 minutes (like the Philly game) as well as a 5 minute penalty the following game, these cheapshots and plays that can potentially impair a player for life will be gone within a single season--they will be surgically removed from the game for good. Colorado could probably care less if Cochi gets suspended, but how would the feel if the team had to play through an 8-minute penalty kill in their game against Washington as well as a 5-minute penalty to start their next game.

That would get results immediately. It may seem extreme at first, but this bandaid needs to be ripped off once and for all.

Posted by: horace1 | December 16, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

horace1 wrote:

In addition, to make sure that penalties aren't taken when a game is lost (as in the Colorado game), or near the end, each of these penalties will result in an extra 5-minutes tacked on to the beginning of the offending team's next game.
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This won't work. The next opponent will get a 5 minute major at the begining of the game to score as many points as possible. What if the opposing team needs 2 points to get in the playoffs and it's the Caps season on the line if that team wins. My point is you can't reward a team that had nothing to do with the altercation in question. And where is the suspension too Koci? It didn't take this long too suspend Ovechkin for the knee to knee or fine him for the boarding call against the Sabres.

BOYCOTT $NYDER-FIRE CERRATO-SUSPEND KOCI

Posted by: hessone | December 17, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Where would an enforcer fit in the Caps system under Bruce? Nowhere. He harps on stupid penalties more than any other coach in the league, so why would he want someone whose only job is to take a run on another guy and possibly end up with a major penalty? This is the new NHL. Especially with the way the league is looking at the Koci hit and head shots in general, things aren't going to get any easier for your old-school enforcers. Caps have plenty of guys who can hit hard but clean. Keep it that way.

Posted by: seth_malaguerra | December 17, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

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