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Poll: Who Do You Have Winning the Cup?

Considering the dramatic momentum shift in Games 3 and 4 of the Stanley Cup final, who do you think is going to win, the Pittsburgh Penguins or the Detroit Red Wings? (Tarik, by the way, thinks the Pens are going to pull off a stunning comeback.)

By Lindsay Applebaum  |  June 5, 2009; 12:35 PM ET
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any i only say Wings in 7 because a) they need to figure themselves out very quickly and b) there's no way i want pens to win... we'll never hear the end of it!

Posted by: johnzilla | June 5, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

If the Pens win, I'll cry.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 5, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

The last thing we need is a CUPS WON category in the ever-present Ovie/Crosby side-by-side stat comparison..

Posted by: thiazzi | June 5, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I have an inability to ever vote for the Penguins...just can't do it. Any other team...fine. But the hatred is so deep for them.

Posted by: CapsKH | June 5, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I'm sick of watching McCreary and Devorski butcher all these games. They're both nothing but NHL lackeys.

Posted by: mtracy94 | June 5, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Gee, this series is starting to look familiar

Posted by: arcassells | June 5, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

come on are better than that

Posted by: _stevo | June 5, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I think that whoever wins on Saturday will probably be the winner of the series. If the Pens win, I think it will be hard for Detroit to win in Game 6. If Detroit wins, I think they will get some of their confidence back and make Game 6 interesting.

Posted by: Kim-3 | June 5, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

The NHL is in dangerous territory right now. Considering how much they had to comeback since the lockout, anything other than pure honest hockey/officiating will destroy the game. It's obvious that the Pens are the NHL's darlings. They want Crosby/Malkin to win. That no-call on the extra man in game 3 directly preceded a penalty call against the Wings, which resulted in a momentum shifting PP goal. The series would've been over at that point. I think the officiating has been criminal this post season, with the Pens being the benefactor of most calls.

Posted by: asdfasdfasdf123 | June 5, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I never want to see a team that is 10th place come February win the Cup. That trophy belongs to teams that are good all year long...not a rental player's dream...

That being said, I hope we rent someone if we need to next year...

yes..I am a hypocrite...

Posted by: SA-Town | June 5, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Tarik, that's almost treason.

Red Wings in 6.


Posted by: Cerealman | June 5, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

No doubt... The NHL wants and needs the Pens and their poster boy Sid to win. Just look at the promos for this years playoffs, they show last years cup finals, and all they highlite is the game 5 overtime game won by Cup Loser Penguins. From the ad, you would think they won it last year. be prepared to see an unending parade of pictures of Sid holding the Cup. I don't know why they are wasting time, just put him in the hall of fame already.

Posted by: SeattleRob | June 5, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

If you lose the two opening games on the opponent's sheet, and then win your two at home, in the Stanley Cup Finals, it's not a stunning comeback.

Posted by: saintex | June 5, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm scared for Dupis if he had time to think about this statement he made after last nights game:

"It's a race to four (wins) now," Pittsburgh's Pascal Dupuis said.

Really? Wasn't it a race to four since game on? Or was it a race to get to 2-2 and then race to 4?

Posted by: superpaqman | June 5, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: tess2201 | June 5, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

If the Pens win Sat night at the Joe it's over for the Wings and everyone buck up and get use to seeing Cindy and the cup everywhere for the next 12 mos.
And he will win the Conn Symthe also even tho it should be Malkins.

Posted by: jotay131 | June 5, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I don't want to see either of those two guys win the Conn Smtyhe. They both cross the line repeatedly and show a complete lack of character or judgement.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 5, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

The Red Wings are averaging 10.2 PIMs per game in the playoffs. During the regular season, they averaged 10.0 PIMs per game, and were 2nd in the League for fewest PIMs taken at 810.

During the regular season, the Penguins were 13th in the league (worse than the Caps) and averaged 13.6 PIMs per game (1106 for the season). But in the playoffs, the Penguins are somehow miraculously averaging only 10.7 PIMs per game, with a mere 221 PIMs. Something smells very fishy there, at least to me.

Granted, the Red Wings still have fewer PIMs total for the playoffs, with 202 and a 10.2 average, but that's over the whole playoffs.

Game 1 vs. the Penguins
- Red Wings - 2 penalties
- Penguins - 1 penalty

Game 2 vs. the Penguins
- Red Wings - 2 penalties
- Penguins - 5 (3 to Malkin for the fight and what should have been a suspension!)

Game 3 vs. the Penguins
- Red Wings - 3 penalties
- Penguins - 2 penalties

Game 4 vs. the Penguins
- Red Wings - 4 penalties
- Penguins - 5 penalties

I'll be very interested to see how game 5 plays out as far as how it's called.

Posted by: irockthered | June 5, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

As far as powerplays, the caps /pens series was the biggest varience of all. The pens had something like 34 powerplays to the Caps 19 (including the 0 pp's we got in game 7).

Posted by: Grape8 | June 5, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

anyoen who watches hockey knows that the officiating in Caps vs. Penguins was the most one-sided screw job in the hsitory of poorly officated series the NHL has ever seen.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 5, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

During our series the NHL might as well have let Crosby call the infractions. Not much has changed for this series.

Posted by: capsfan01 | June 5, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

So if irockthered's numbers are correct (I'm not bothering to check), the Pens have received more penalties than the Wings by a 13-11 margin. Some conspiracy theory.

Pens in six. The Wings looked old and out of gas last night.

Posted by: Jumpy66 | June 5, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

jumpy66 how many ID's do you have on here?

Posted by: superpaqman | June 5, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

mind you that three of those 13 penalties are directly from Malkin's fight with Zetterberg, and I'd hardly call missing the last 18 seconds of the game a real penalty.

What happened at the end of last night's game to have that many penalties against the Fowl? I crashed out sometime during the second intermission.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 5, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

and that doesn't account for the fact that Crosby should ahve been penalized (even just financially) for whacking Maltby after game 1, the Malkin should have been suspended for his two contcats with Cheilos in game 2, that he should have recieved an additional suspension for his fight in game 2 (talk about a complete loss of cool and a lack of discpline!), Kunitz's cross check to Franzen's head, the missed too many men call (attention, refs, my 4 year odl niece can count to five, but you apparently can't?), the offsides from last night that directly lead to a goal.....

Maybe not a conspiracy, but it sure as heck looks like someone is either in the bag for the Penguins, or utter incompetence. Neither one of thsoe gives me warm fuzzies. Neither one of those is going to get the non-hockey fan to take hockey seriously.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 5, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse


Uh... one. Same one I've had for about 10 years now.

Posted by: Jumpy66 | June 5, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

If the NHL thinks that Crosby is the Michael Jordan for the NHL, they are so wrong.

I mean..the kid acts like he was locked in the basement his whole life unless he was playing hockey...

wait...he is...

Posted by: SA-Town | June 5, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

So if irockthered's numbers are correct (I'm not bothering to check), the Pens have received more penalties than the Wings by a 13-11 margin. Some conspiracy theory.

Pens in six. The Wings looked old and out of gas last night.

Posted by: Jumpy66 | June 5, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

lol exactly, no conspiracy at all.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 5, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I don't care how big Mario's house is, you'd think he'd rent his own studio apartment or something by now. (remember those absolutely microscopic apartments Greenie and Laich rented and were featured on the bad "Caps Cribs"--which gave us such delights as "I make him breakfast" and "This is Gary the Bear"--feature from the 07-08 season?) While I doubt Mr. smeared [poop] 'stashe is getting all that much action, I imagine even he gets lucky once in a a while....right up until the moment the girl goes "Wait, don't you, like, still live with your parents?"

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 5, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

The Red Wings are done! I thought they were tough enough to overcome the officials and league, but I guess they are just too old and too weak to care any more. I was surprised that no one from the Wings tried to lay out Malkin as retaliation, but I guess they were afraid of actually incurring the retaliation suspension. Sad. Anyway, get ready to see the cup hoisted by Sissy and Malkin soon!

Posted by: JohnWWW | June 5, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I never want to see a team that is 10th place come February win the Cup. That trophy belongs to teams that are good all year long...not a rental player's dream...

Posted by: SA-Town

Are you really this obtuse? The Pens traded Ryan Whitney, a young and offensively gifted D-man for Chris Kunitz. They did this because they already had another such D-man in Chris Letang, not to mention Alex Goligowski and others in the farm system. To acquire Bill Guerin, they only had to give up a third-round draft pick. Pens GM Ray Shero deftly gave Crosby the linemates he had been lacking all season.

This has been my criticism of George McPhee all along. He just doesn't have the stones or the creativity it takes to win.

Posted by: Jumpy66 | June 5, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

why couldn't Shero deftly give Crosby those line mates at the beginning of the season? (or, if not those two, someone of slightly higher quality than Miro Satan?)

You know, at some point this trade deadline scramble year after year to get quality first line wingers is going to fail. Its not the best way to go about building a long-term successful franchise.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 5, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Birdie, actually what Shero did at the deadline was make up for a mistake in the free-agent signing of Satan. (Satan had bombed, but he has picked up his game after the minor-league demotion.)

In my opinion, if you are fortunate enough to have players of the calibur of Crosby, Malkin or Ovechkin, the time to win is NOW. You have a limited window of opportunity before those players' contracts run out and they move on to other teams... er, the Rangers.

Posted by: Jumpy66 | June 5, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

i hate the pens!!!! anybody but the pens!!!

Posted by: doughless | June 5, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

gotta agree with Jumpy's point about winning while you can. i also have my doubts about GMGM

Posted by: doughless | June 5, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I guess that's the difference between the "gotta win NOW!" at all costs people and the ones who want to be like the Red Wings...

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 5, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

given salary cap and load of young talent the caps have, why not utilize the resource to add guys and fill needs the team has??? nobody here is advocating a firesale, but lets be honest; are the Caps going to be able to keep all of the talent they have either on the team here or in Hershey???

Posted by: doughless | June 5, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

my point is, Pittsburgh doesn't have the talent in the pipeline like Detroit (and Washington) does, so they have to go out and buy wingers every season. Sometimes they work (Kunitz), sometimes they work and run screaming for another team once the season ends (Hossa), sometimes they work but likely can't be afforded next season (Guerin), and sometimes they crash and burn in such a way to be a tragedy (Satan). Its almost like "Winger Roulette" up in Pittsburgh. That's not a sound way to run an organization, let alone set it up for the sort of long term success that Detroit has achieved and every one else dreams of.

I'm willing to be patient. I want the Caps to be the next Red Wings. It took Yzerman how many years to even make the finals? Heck, it was eight years after the now-historic 1989 draft that the Wings finally won. And they seemingly haven't stopped winning since.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 5, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I am resigned to the fact that the Penguins will win the Stanley Cup. This series looks too much like the Caps series verses them in Round 2. I would rather see the Red Wings win and I have a much higher opinion of the Red Wings mode of operation than I do of the Penguins. I also think the Red Wings are a better team. But having Bettman, the officials, and God on their side gives the Penguins an advantage that trumps any greater talent that the Red Wings have. (God used to be a resident of Pittsburgh, so that's why the Pens win so often and have all the luck.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 5, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse


I agree with you, on the Pens mode of operation. It disgusts me to no end that playing like crap during most of the regular season, then signing rentals, and then turning it on for March and April works for them every bleeping year.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 5, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Totally agree with others here: I can't stand the thought of Pittsburgh winning. All comparisons from there on in will be: but Crosby won the Cup and Ovechkin didn't (until he does, but who wants to live with that?)

I'm a little puzzled by the nearly 30 second non-call on the extra man. That's a long time. Darren Dreger on TSN mentioned allegations that the ref LaRue was yelling at the Penguins players to get off the ice. Dreger doesn't commit himself, but suggests it might be sour grapes syndrome by the Wings.

I hope they don't win. But if they do - and stranger things have happened - we'll just have to play all the harder against them next year.

Posted by: RedRocker1 | June 5, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

It's clear and has been for years that the Pens get preferential treatment. It would take one of them to commit homicide on the ice before they'd get suspended. That's why I've said for a long time that Lemieux has something on Bettman. It's film or pictures or something about Bettman and probably Lemieux that would compromise that piece-of-s*it commissioner that the NHL has. That's why the officials have their marching orders on penalties. Also, for long-time NHL fans, how often have you seen the officials reversing themselves on a call? First, Malkin is suspended, then they reverse the decision. It's enough to make you puke. I hope Bettman burns in hell with Maria and Cindy right next to him. If people can't see what they've hatched together on the NHL, then they're just plain blind.

Posted by: Puckdawg69 | June 6, 2009 6:45 AM | Report abuse

Winnepeg in 6.....ohhhh, this years cup.

Posted by: bhound69 | June 6, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse


Remember....1 winner and 29 losers. Pens haven't won jack. Don't rag on GM, he believes in his choices and will not compromise the young talent or order to play a band aid or a short term patch. I believe CAPS won more reg season games than Pens, huh? So your theory goes down the crapper when the Perns lose again.

Posted by: bhound69 | June 6, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I hate the PERNS!

Posted by: bhound69 | June 6, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Congrats to the South Carolina Stingrays on winning the ECHL Kelly Cup by beating the Alaska Aces last night in Anchorage, Alaska. (I assume that you all know that the Stingrays are the ECHL affiliate for the Caps.) Hopefully, the Bears win their games this weekend.

Posted by: NovaCath | June 6, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

In the playoffs and especially the finals hockey is one of the better sports. They tuck the whistle unless its totally obvious and needs to be called. They like to keep the penalties close to prevent the outcry of the other sort. I would rather see the players make the plays and seal it than the game end from a call made.

Posted by: Killerangel81 | June 6, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

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