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Poti suffers upper-body injury

Tom Poti left tonight's game early in the second period with an upper-body injury. The Caps won't comment on the nature or extent of the ailment, other than to say that the defenseman is day to day.

Coach Bruce Boudreau said the Caps would likely need to recall someone from Hershey.

Boudreau also said he doesn't expect Alexander Semin to make tomorrow's road trip to Toronto.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  November 20, 2009; 9:55 PM ET
 
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Wow, can the Caps catch a break? Injurgy bug, GO AWAY!!!

Posted by: cbs75 | November 20, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Forwards out of sync all night. PP finally looked effective tonight when OV was put back at the point. I'd like to see BB stick with a top line for all 60 minutes tomorrow.

Posted by: CDon | November 20, 2009 9:34 PM |

I believe that when Poti went out, Sloan dropped back to defense, Carlson partnered with Schultz, and the top lines were just one big jumble from then on. This team is just snakebit right now from an injury standpoint. I'm disappointed with the outcome but not too surprised considering the lack of consistent lines and Montreal's stifling D. Hopefully tomorrow night will go better. (Jeez, who can we afford to bring up from Hershey to fill in for Poti?)

Posted by: wocoliz | November 20, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

What was the name of the actor that Al Koken interviewed at intermission?

Posted by: bagasome | November 20, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather see them get hit with the injury bug in Oct, Nov and Dec than April, May and June. When this team feels like it's up against it they really play great. Now if only Bruce could find a way to convince them they are up against it for 60 minutes a night for another 60 games and the playoffs.

Posted by: real8 | November 20, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

His name is Scott Wolf, and he's the star reporter on "V" right now.

Posted by: wocoliz | November 20, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

@wocoliz

Thanks

Posted by: bagasome | November 20, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

@bagasome, you're welcome, but it's just a fluke that I knew the answer. "V" is about the only thing I watch on network TV.

Posted by: wocoliz | November 20, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

POSTGAME THOUGHTS:
Wow was that a discombobulation of a game tonight haha. A tough one to take. I don't like the refs letting Montreal getting away with all the clutching and grabbing in the 3rd.

WOW was that not a frantic final 1:52 of the game. Almost tied it up. Mike Green makes me pull my hair out. One moment a bad play - the next a great one.

Carlson - damn that post. He puts that in the result is different. KEEP THIS KID UP. I like what he brought to the game tonight. A good first period and someone that has a shot.

Erskine - they either need to package him in a trade or put this guy on IR long term and be done with him. He cost his team a goal on an odd man rush - but the shooter missed a slam dunk. Still inexcusable. There are better and younger guys that are better and deserve to be playing in play of Erskine and Schultz - two left handed shots that are weak from the point.

Nylander - please leave. You're a handicap to what this team can be doing. I know you have to think about where you want to go. He's had more than enough time.

Poti hurt - this keeps up - we'll have the whole Hershey squad called up by New Years LOL. Here's to another guy that will have a chance to step up.

A frustrating loss but no time to think about it. Up to Canada as the Leafs await.

Ice Breakers Goal Shakers.

Posted by: Jonathan6 | November 20, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

@jonathan6, I'm inclined to agree with you about Nylander. I can see why he might feel jerked around, but now he's starting to look as petty and vindictive as he seems to think the organization has been.

Posted by: wocoliz | November 20, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

@wocoliz - I agree with you. I gave Nyls the benefit of the doubt in the beginning. I think he has got a bum deal in terms of them not including them in their plans but if he doesn't fit in - I feel the team is doing anything they can to accomodate him but now this waiting game has become too long now. There is no reason for this to drag out any further and I think McPhee's reaction without truly answering that matter the other day says it all. Too bad I couldn't be a fly on the wall to hear what he would have to say abotu this behind closed doors.

Posted by: Jonathan6 | November 20, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

@jonathan6, I completely agree. The situation has become ridiculous.

About the defenseman being called up from Hershey: Do Neuvirth and Alzner too far apart in cap hit for one to substitute for the other?

Posted by: wocoliz | November 20, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Scott Wolf. Party of five.

Posted by: jakopz | November 20, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

I mean, *are* Neuvirth and Alzner too far apart. (sorry for not proofreading before I hit "Submit")

Posted by: wocoliz | November 20, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

@wocoliz - without seeing the numbers - I don't really know for sure. They might be but we'll see. Grrrr is the team already in Toronto? Let's drop the puck haha.

Posted by: Jonathan6 | November 20, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Maybe one of the number crunchers will drop in later and give us an answer. I've read all the threads and tried to follow the financial information, but I just can't understand the ins and outs of the salary cap.

Posted by: wocoliz | November 20, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

@wocoliz - Apart from Neuvirth being a goalie and Alzner a defenseman?

Alzner's cap hit is pretty substantial, at $1,675,000. The only way we can call him up is to put someone on LTIR.

Tom Poti = $3,500,000 - probably not LTIR material, though.

Quintin Laing = $500,000. Not enough for Alzner, though he is the best bet for an actual LTIR-type injury right now, with a broken jaw.

Mike Knuble = $2,800,000. Good for Alzner, but it's iffy whether he will actually need to miss ten games or not; putting him on LTIR makes it a requirement.

Boyd Gordon = $761,000. Not enough for Alzner by himself, but IMO, he should be on LTIR to force him to not come back until his back is fully-healed.

Losing Poti was a big issue tonight; it threw the forward lines into a tizzy, because we had to drop Sloan back to defense, and shuffle. This is why losing one player mid-game (3 times in 4 games recently) is such a huge problem.

Losing Laing two games ago is almost worse than losing Ovechkin, because of the way that guy throws himself in front of the puck without concern for himself.

The crowd was very ... blah tonight. Until late in the 3rd when the refs finally made one non-call too many.

How many cross-checks did the Habs get for free tonight? I saw at least a couple, and a couple of interference calls, and a REALLY BIG HOOK that the refs missed.

Posted by: irockthered | November 20, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

@Jonathan6 - The trouble with putting Erskine on IR is that he has to be actually injured first. He isn't, as far as I am aware. You can't just put a guy on LTIR without a team doctor to certify that he's actually hurt. Not gonna happen.

Posted by: irockthered | November 20, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil & Boo (from earlier thread)

My husband has not posted here under your name. But he's certainly a big Caps fan and good at analyzing their stats.

He's a computer person and knows more about sports than I. He doesn't have as big of tendency to get attached to certain players as I do but knows where I'm coming from (as he is the father of our Semin-like kid).

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 20, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

@irockthered - believe me that comment about Erskine and LTIR was said tongue in cheek. Too bad there wasn't a phantom injury. Unfortunately yes they'll still put him in there but honestly - there are guys better then him ready to play right now.

Posted by: Jonathan6 | November 20, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

@Jonathan6

Agree with you on the game being a "discombobulation of a game".

Annoyed that the Caps had the lead once again and blew it.

And one more guy injured -- Poti. (I know something was wrong when I saw the lines scrambled up during 2nd period and Sloan was back on defense. At first I couldn't understand why Boudreau had changed the lines for 2nd period until I saw Sloan at defense and knew we lost another man.)

The Caps were playing tired. (Gee, and we're only at the beginning of the road trip. We got a game tomorrow and then one on Monday.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 20, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

@ wocoliz

Maybe it's time to evaluate our injured players and figure out who should go on Long Term Injured Reserve so we can call someone up from Hershey.

Knuble's already missed a week, as has Semin. (Laing has missed 1 game and is not likely to be back for a month.) Do any of these guys have a chance in h*ll of coming back before 10 games have elapsed. We can count on them missing tomorrow and Monday.

Is it time for Alzner (if someone goes on LTIR)? Or is it Giroux time? Or should we bring up Perreault's buddy Bouchard? Or Kyle Wilson? Is it time for someone to create a poll on who the next call up from Hershey will be?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 20, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

@irockthered

Great analysis of the salary situation on the guys. Would recommend putting both Laing and Gordon on LTIR.

Knubs has just missed Game 3. We can count on him missing Game 4 tomorrow and Game 5 on Monday.

How is Semin's wrist? I didn't think it was bad enough for LTIR status but we know he's out for tomorrow and Monday for sure. So we're up to 5 games for him.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 20, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

@irockthered, thanks for the numbers breakdown (and yeah, I'm aware of the position difference :-)). It's what I suspected. I'm just amazed that Laing isn't on LTIR yet, and I agree that Gordon should go there--he was obviously nowhere near ready to play when he came back.

I can't believe how many non-calls there were tonight--it's too bad we couldn't take advantage of the opportunities we got. Just got to hope things go better tomorrow night.

Posted by: wocoliz | November 20, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Going to the game tomorrow night and in Ottawa on Monday! Should be amazing!

Posted by: Aldred15 | November 20, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

@CDon

Agree with you that our power play is not the same without Semin. (But so many bloggers and fans are ready to let Semin walk after this year.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 20, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

I will be happy when the Nylander situation is finally resolved. It doesn't seem to be doing anyone any good. Not the Caps and certainly not Nylander.

I fear that Semin will be gone from the Caps before Nylander. (Yes, even though Nylander has cleared waivers and everything.)

That would be ridiculous if he stays here all year on limbo as a healthy scratch.

Lesson learned for the ownership and management. No more long term deals for guys pushing 35. Esepcially, no long term deals with a no movement clause.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 20, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

@capsfan75, I think you're right. In fact, I'd go so far as to suggest we put Semin on LTIR so he doesn't pull a Boyd Gordon and try to come back before he's ready. It's a good thing the organization is as deep as it is.

This cap situation is making the personnel issue go from bad to worse.

Posted by: wocoliz | November 20, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

@wocoliz

On the officiating. I could not believe the diving call on Morrison that sent him to the box at the same time that he was hooked by the Montreal guy. (And then later a Canadien did a dive that would do a Eudyptula proud.) And what is a Eudyuptula? It's the scientific name for the Little Fairy Penguin which translates as "good little diver".

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 20, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

NHL = National Hurt League

Posted by: SA-Town | November 20, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

@Aldred15

Good luck at the games. I hope the Caps do well with you watching.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 20, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

@wocoliz

In the case of Semin, he tried to play with the bad wrist for over a week. And only now is taking time off.

He does tend to come back too soon from injuries and illness. Back when he was sick, he missed a practice, showed up the next day, and then was out for the next practice and the next two games. (I wonder if he had swine flu. Only a week later, Quinten Laing was diagnosed. We know Q didn't get it from his family so the most "logical" place is from someone associated with the team.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 20, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

@capsfan75

Again, I agree. He does try to come back from injury and illness too soon. I know he's proud and wants to play as much as he can, but there are times when he's hurt the team rather than helped it because he just hasn't been well enough to play. (I had the swine flu 3 weeks ago and have just started feeling normal. Now, I'm a long way from a super-well-conditioned athlete, but this bug REALLY makes you feel bad.)

Posted by: wocoliz | November 21, 2009 12:01 AM | Report abuse

On a Previous Thread about Edmonton wanting to make an offer on Semin.

Does Edmonton have anything the Caps want badly enough? I didn't think they (the Oilers) had shutdown defensemen to spare.

Okay, Hockeybuzz's reliability may not be great.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 21, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

@wocoliz

And this is the guy everyone considers a wimp or a wuss since he's missed so many games due to injury (with some illness thrown in). He doesn't sound like my idea of a wuss. (Since the guy's an introvert, it would not surprise me to hear that he's had some injuries that hardly anyone's heard about.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 21, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

This week, we had a previous thread where we were talking about trios on the Caps, starting with the three little French guys.

One more trio. The bad luck trio, in order of who has the worst luck, with injuries and/or illness.

1) Quinten Laing
2) Eric Fehr
3) Alexander Semin

If they didn't have bad luck, they'd have no luck at all.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 21, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse

@capsfan75,

This could be construed as sexist, but do you think maybe we women just have a different idea of what being tough entails? How is it not tough to play through pain? He tries not to give in to injury or illness because he feels an obligation to his teammates to be on the ice if he possibly can. I think most of us were raised to feel that same obligation in our lives and workplaces.

Posted by: wocoliz | November 21, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

The thing is this:

Putting Laing on LTIR won't buy Alzner. His salary isn't big enough.

Gordon needs to be certified injured enough for LTIR before we can put him there.

Knuble MIGHT be back in 8 games. If he isn't, then they can put him on LTIR retroactively. The trouble is, if Poti is injured long term - or longer than we can cover with what we have without making callups - then it may force our hand. Unfortunately, if Knuble is then ready in 8 games, he's still out for 10.

It's a shuffle game at this point.

I'm not a cap expert, but I can try to explain a bit if anyone has questions; my e-mail address is my userid on here {at} gmail {dot} com. Just drop me a note, and I'll try to help!

Posted by: irockthered | November 21, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

@aldred - great, what a trip! Enjoy it...

agreed with all the posts on the ref - they were letting the clutching and grabbing go, they did last game as well. I'm wondering if the refs haven't been told to back off a little on the calls. I hope not, the Caps are not built for a clutch-and-grab world. Up until the last few games, it seemed the dark days of the pre-lockout NHL were gone.

Ovie did not look himself, esp on the PP. He can still hit, but it looks as though he's having trouble physically still, as though he can't quite make the plays with the upper body strength along the boards. He'll play through it, though.


Posted by: RedLitYogi | November 21, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Knuble MIGHT be back in 8 games. If he isn't, then they can put him on LTIR retroactively. The trouble is, if Poti is injured long term - or longer than we can cover with what we have without making callups - then it may force our hand. Unfortunately, if Knuble is then ready in 8 games, he's still out for 10.

It's a shuffle game at this point.

I'm not a cap expert, but I can try to explain a bit if anyone has questions; my e-mail address is my userid on here {at} gmail {dot} com. Just drop me a note, and I'll try to help!

Posted by: irockthered | November 21, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Personallly, I feel that the Caps should put Knuble on LTIR regardless of whether they think he can be back in 8 games instead of 10. It doesn't make sense to lose 5 of the next 8 games because you don't have the cap space to make the necessary callups just so you can possibly have him back for the last 2.

Posted by: cainoo7x | November 21, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

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