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Q&A with Alex Ovechkin

Much like last night's transcript of Mike Green's media scrum, here's are some highlights from Alex Ovechkin's wide-ranging session with reporters ahead of tonight's NHL Awards show in Las Vegas:

Q: Is there enough room for [Nats pitcher Stephen Strasburg] and you in Washington?
A: Yeah, I hope we're going to fit together good.

Q: You talked about the atmosphere here. What would it be like to be a road team if Las Vegas had an [NHL] franchise?
A: [Long pause, big smile]. It's gonna be... [pause, bigger smile] It's going to be a bad time for us who [are] going to come and play. But for the team that is going to stay here, for the players, it's going to be [a] pretty hard thing, too.

Q: If it happened [would Las Vegas] have one of the best home records?
A: Yeah, probably. [Big smile]. Right away, first season.

Q: What did you learn about winning this season?
A: We didn't win.

Q: I know, but what did you learn about what it takes to win?
A: It takes everything. It takes everything what you have. It's hard but it takes everything.

Q: What will you have to do to be better going forward?
A: Right now, I'm taking my vacation, get ready for training camp, be in good shape, go to training camp and show the team, the fans we're ready.

Q: How are you different from the guy who won rookie of the year?
A: I have more experience. English is getting better. Same fun. It's nice.

Q: You're still a young guy. Do you sometimes feel a little older with how the league is so young now?
A: No, I feel young. But it's something when every year, you have a year more experience and you get older and you understand anything can happen in one moment.

Q: The last few months with Russia's disappointments internationally and the Caps going out early, is that the roughest hurdle for you personally in the NHL so far? You had high expectations for yourself and all of your teams.
A: Yeah. It's good when I have expectations. But I think when you have high expectations you want to do something more than that.

Q: Does it take away from an event like this, when the spotlight is on the individual when you haven't succeeded or done what you want as a team?
A: Yeah, when you lose, especially in playoffs or big tournaments you just want to forget about it and concentrate on next year. Because it's pretty hard when you lose and don't win and you can see how different guys, different players, different players win something. It's a pretty hard moment. But it's life. Sometimes you're going up and sometimes going down.

Q: Strong arguments can be made for all three [MVP] candidates this year. Do you believe you should win?
A: I don't know if I should win or not. I think I have a pretty strong year personally but my teams didn't do well. It's pretty hard. If I'm going to win, it's going to be a big honor for me but you never know what's going happen.

Q: How much do you think the missed games are going to factor into it?
A: Personal stats, in 10 games, maybe I would have scored one goal or maybe two goals and maybe I would have a couple more lucky assists. But it's time to move forward and every game it can be your last game, so ...

Q: What are your thoughts on your friend Mike Green, who for the second year in a row is up [for the Norris Trophy]?
A: Yeah, I hope he is going to win. I hope he deserves it. I hope he shows it was not lucky year [inaudible].

Q: Not many guys play in the Olympics, the Stanley Cup playoffs and the world championship in the same year. What was your mental and physical state when everything was all finished?
A: I was mentally tired. After the world championships I had days when [on] my vacation I had days where I just concentrate about different stuff, not about hockey. If people start talking about hockey, I said, 'Guys come on, let's talk about different stuff. Don't ask me about Olympics, playoffs, world championships, sticks, skates.'"

Q:What were your thoughts when you heard about [Nicklas Backstrom's] contract [extension]?
A: I was happy. He's an unbelievable player and every year he's going to get better and better. I'm happy I'm going to play with him 10 years.

Q: What would mean more to win, the Ted Lindsay or the Hart?
A: I'll take both.

Q: Does it mean more to win the Ted Lindsay Award because it's voted on by players?
A: Both trophies are pretty hard to get. ...I'm happy I'm nominated and I'm happy the players and media give me the chance.

Q: If you win, will it take some of the sting out of this year?
A: If I win [smiling], let's talk about it when I win.

Note: I didn't get this part on tape, but from across the interview room I heard a "reporter" in a skin-tight, barely thigh-high red dress ask Alex what award he was up for. Without hesitation, he shot back, "Best dancer."

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  June 23, 2010; 11:58 AM ET
 
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Comments

I didn't get this part on tape, but from across the interview room I hear a "reporter" in a skin-tight, barely thigh-high red dress...

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sexist !

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

It's still good to be Ovi.

Posted by: zmega | June 23, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

thats just Manny being....I mean Alex being Alex

Posted by: jeets | June 23, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Tarik that interview was riveting but you didn't ask the most important questions: What kind of tree would you like to be? And does he likes green eggs and ham?

Posted by: hock1 | June 23, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I would've asked:

Alex, so now that you've had some time away to reflect upon this team's less than impressive post-season showing, what do you think were some of the main reasons for the collapse? Did you take Montreal for granted at the beginning of the series? Was it a case of too little too late? What could you have done better on the PP throughout the series to make it more effective? Does your PP need to change its style a bit to accomodate playoff hockey? What are some of the "lessons learned" that you can take into next season?

it would be nice to get something real for a change instead of lobbing the usual softball questions.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

You've got to love Ovi.

Posted by: Berndaddy | June 23, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I didn't get this part on tape, but from across the interview room I heard a "reporter" in a skin-tight, barely thigh-high red dress ask Alex what award he was up for. Without hesitation, he shot back, "Best dancer."
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TEB, how did corey look in red?

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | June 23, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

If you watch the interview (its up on Caps365) you can tell that he really didn't know how to answer the 'what have you learned' question. You might be able to attribute it to his broken english but you could tell he didn't have an answer.

To me this just proves that we need to get a been there, done that veteran leader who can teach these guys what it takes to win in the playoffs.

I am in no way saying that Ovi is not the leader of this team. He is the Captain, and rightfully so, but the Hawks brought in guys like John Madden who had been there before and knew what it took.

It doesn't have to be a 2C or a top pair Dman. It could be a good role player like Madden or even Modano if he comes back. But I would like to see GMGM bring in someone like that.

Posted by: pkendrick | June 23, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Modano is at the end of his career. Why would we want to invest any money in a guy that may play one more year? Makes no sense. Same thing with Koivu who is also near the end of his career. We need a true 2nd line center and don't understand the fascination with MP. He has done little at the NHL level and will be a major defensive liability in playoff hockey. If you look at the teams that advanced, they all had at least 2 and sometime 3 top centers like Philly, Chicago, San Jose, and Boston. I'd be more interested in a guy like Patrick Sharp.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 23, 2010 10:50 AM |

You obviously don't watch the Ducks a lot, or are just making stuff up to fit your argument.

Koivu would be a great 2nd line center. He provides leadership and experience. Yeah...obviously Sharp would be a better option. He's younger and ...well, better.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 23, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

I agree. Koivu is still a good player with a few more years left in him. Sharp is definitely better right now, but Koivu will still be a solid 2nd line center and would be cheaper (money wise and what the team would have to give up to get him)

Posted by: sgm3 | June 23, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Koivu would be a great 2nd line center. He provides leadership and experience. Yeah...obviously Sharp would be a better option. He's younger and ...well, better.

Posted by: richmondphil

IMO, Koivu is similar to B. Morrison. He's not really a 2c anymore. I think we are better served trading for the guy we want, rather than settling for a UFA that's out there. The only two UFA Centers that are upgrades are Marleau and Lombardi. IMO, the rest are sideways or backwards moves.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 23, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

@underpants2:

I will pre-state that I am not attacking you...

GMGM fielded a team that did something NO OTHER CAPS team has ever done... won the Presidents trophy and became the favorites to win the Cup! How is this worthy of any criticism? Did it fall short? Yes, massively!

buuut... GMGM did his job with the model that the owner has approved and endorsed, offensive hockey and putting butts in the stands... anyone that thinks he'll be fired clearly does not understand the owner's philosophy.

If GMGM was not being success in this model, then by all means, he should be fired... but the other GM's voted him top 3 executive of the year, he's drafted very well lately, has made smart signings, kept the Capitals cap figure in check, not mortgaged the future, and signed the fan favorites to deserving long-term deals.

If people want to rake GMG over the coals for the 1st round exit then you must be fair and call him the best GM in the league for the reg season that the caps had! Can't have it both ways!

And as a player who plays rec hockey, I don't turn to the coach or the GM (that I don't have) or the player that was on my wing and blame him for the loss. I take responsibility because the players play, the coaches coach, and GM's manage.

Personally, I am ecstatic that GM is running the team (and doing such a great job) and not the negative nancies on here calling for him to be aggressive...

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 23, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"Q: What are your thoughts on your friend Mike Green, who for the second year in a row is up [for the Norris Trophy]?
A: Yeah, I hope he is going to win. I hope he deserves it. I hope he shows it was not lucky year [inaudible]."

The rest of what Ovie said was, "I hope he shows it was not lucky year when he was, ahh, he last year was nominated. This year he played unbelievable."

Posted by: pstenigma | June 23, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

@underpants

I pretty much agree with that. Koivu could continue to slide so he would be a risk.

Although I think he is better than BMo because BMo was coming off a poor previous season (due to injury).

But, like you said, the high end 2nd line centers will probably have to acquired through a trade.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 23, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I'll admit, I was very hard on GMGM after the 1st round exit. Much harder on him than the players or the coach. I feel like he really muffed it up last year, by targeting guys like Joe Corvo. Last off-season, he made a great move by filling one of the obvious voids we had, which was someone willing to crowd the crease to grab those dirt goals. He tried to fill 2C by bringing in BMo, who was serviceable for about half the year. Year prior, he was able to identify and fill the Caps needs, by acquiring Huet, Feds, and Cooke.

I am hoping that GMGM is going to be able to identify the Caps needs effectively again (more muck and physicality up front, more...defense at the blue line) and bring in the right pieces. Some comments he made prior make me beleive otherwise, however, that's probably just GMGM lipservice.

I will say, I would be unhappy if no somewhat significant trade happened this off-season. Of course, no trade is better than a bad trade, but I feel like there's some options out there. (Calgary, for one) Shift some of the salary up front to the blue line.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 23, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

IMO, Koivu is similar to B. Morrison. He's not really a 2c anymore. I think we are better served trading for the guy we want, rather than settling for a UFA that's out there. The only two UFA Centers that are upgrades are Marleau and Lombardi. IMO, the rest are sideways or backwards moves.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 23, 2010 1:57 PM |

If you are comparing him to BMo, then again, it makes me think you have not watched the Ducks much.
Also, as I've been saying, I think if any 2C is brought in, it's going to be through a trade. (J. Stoll!)

Posted by: richmondphil | June 23, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand how there can be a GM of the year award. It seems to me that the work of the GM has to be evaluated over at least a 3 year period. There is no question in my view that GMGM has assembled a very good and very entertaining team. The test of whether his performance is better than that will be in next year's playoffs. If there is another early exit while not playing the kind of physical hockey that is necessary for playoff success, then the criticisms by cstanton and others will have a lot of credence.

Posted by: zmega | June 23, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

And just to make it clear, Koivu is far from my first-option. He's old, so he's definetely not the two-way center he always was. (Think Datsyuk-light) But, although I hate citing this as a defensive stat, he was +14 on the Ducks, leading the team, on a team which were mostly negative.
He also still kills penalties effectively, and had 3 shorthanded points last year. Tying with a Duck's defenseman who I find somewhat attractive as well, Wisniewski.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 23, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

huge Stoll fan. In fact, the trade the Kings made to acquire Stoll and Greene is exactly the kind of deal I'd love to see us make. A gritty 2way 2nd line center with size, and a hardhitting defensive dman. That trade gave that team a real identity past just having a Dustin Brown. Gave them more balance thru the lineup. Then of course adding a young leader like Simmonds didn't hurt.

Verbatim

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton

Would love, love, love to see J. Stoll or D. Brown in a Caps jersey. I think it's clear that Brown isn't going anywhere, but I keep hearing some rumors Stoll might go so LA can get a big-name free-agent (Marleau, Kovy) or target, ala Semin.

I would do Stoll for Semin straight up.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 23, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

The test of whether his performance is better than that will be in next year's playoffs. If there is another early exit while not playing the kind of physical hockey that is necessary for playoff success, then the criticisms by cstanton and others will have a lot of credence.
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imo, THIS year should've been the year they made that visible stride in the playoffs. Frankly, they gave a grittier effort in last year's playoffs esp v the Rangers. Next year of course will bring in the last of the stragglers who have unquestioned faith in McPhee. But there's no reason to give him a pass for this recent postseason. He didn't equip his team with the right tools to succeed at the deadline. Again.

Best move he's made was to bring in Knuble who had an effect throughout the lineup (i.e Fehr). That to me was our single most impressive quality, the increased mucking displayed by our forwards.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I will pre-state that I am not attacking you...

GMGM fielded a team that did something NO OTHER CAPS team has ever done... won the Presidents trophy and became the favorites to win the Cup! How is this worthy of any criticism? Did it fall short? Yes, massively!

buuut... GMGM did his job with the model that the owner has approved and endorsed, offensive hockey and putting butts in the stands... anyone that thinks he'll be fired clearly does not understand the owner's philosophy.

If GMGM was not being success in this model, then by all means, he should be fired... but the other GM's voted him top 3 executive of the year, he's drafted very well lately, has made smart signings, kept the Capitals cap figure in check, not mortgaged the future, and signed the fan favorites to deserving long-term deals.

If people want to rake GMG over the coals for the 1st round exit then you must be fair and call him the best GM in the league for the reg season that the caps had! Can't have it both ways!

And as a player who plays rec hockey, I don't turn to the coach or the GM (that I don't have) or the player that was on my wing and blame him for the loss. I take responsibility because the players play, the coaches coach, and GM's manage.

Personally, I am ecstatic that GM is running the team (and doing such a great job) and not the negative nancies on here calling for him to be aggressive...

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 23, 2010 1:58 PM


Big reason we won the president's trophy, our division stinks. We won it by 40 points. No other team made the playoffs in the Southeast.

Fine, he won the president's trophy, congrats to him.

His record in the playoffs is terrible. His deadline deals last year, terrible, his deadline deals the year before, none to speak of.

If you consider what GMGM has done during his tenure with the Caps a "great job", I am not sure there is any point in arguing with you. The team which he manages fails every year.

If he did not win the draft lottery in 2004, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. It's all because of OV.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 23, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

@underpants:
so you hold it against teams the win the lottery fair and square?

what about the draft that Pittsburgh won with Crosby?

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 23, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I would do Stoll for Semin straight up.

Posted by: richmondphil

I hope that is a joke. I like stoll and all, but come on

Posted by: _stevo | June 23, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

It's not a joke. Semin has 1 year left on his contract, then UFA. Stoll has a little more than half of Semin's cap hit for 2 more years.

Yeah, Semin is worth a bit more than Stoll, but why even try? Get rid of the salary and bring in a two-way, penalty killing center.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 23, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

@underpants:
so you hold it against teams the win the lottery fair and square?

what about the draft that Pittsburgh won with Crosby?

Posted by: FrankM73

Not holding it against him, just stating a fact. If we didn't win the right to draft OVI, McPhee would probably be gone.

Pitt won the right to draft Crosby. Shero put the necessary pieces around him to win the cup. Pretty simple really.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 23, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Ovi-Backs-Knubs
Laich-Stoll-Fehr

I'd be fine with that.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 23, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Stoll for Semin makes sense because

a) you have to get some value back for Semin since he may walk after next year. Which means other teams won't give up a ton to get him. In a perfect world you get even return for Semin which would be Stoll plus a #1 top 10 pick or a top 5 prospect in their system.

b) Stoll brings a lot of intangibles to the table. And he gives us a 2nd line center. Granted he may truly be suited best as a 3rd line center but I can live with him on the 2nd line.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I say we trade Semin and Flash for A. Haynesworth. You put him on skates and I guarantee he will be the grittiest guy out there. No one could move him around and he could clear the crease like no other. Now that would be adding some much needed grit.

Plan B is to deal Semin and Flash for this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worf

Posted by: sgm3 | June 23, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Ovi-Backs-Knubs
Laich-Stoll-Fehr
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you could win a lot of games with those 2 lines.

then you throw in

Beagle, Steckel, Pinner, AG, Brads and Chimera into the bottom 6 and that gives you a nice hungry abrasive lineup with varying degrees of speed, grit, size and role players.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Granted he may truly be suited best as a 3rd line center but I can live with him on the 2nd line.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 2:41 PM |

Let him play his game on the 2nd line. Let Fehr and Laich add the bit of skill.
He did put up 68 points one season.

Of course, we'd probably see him and MP rotate between the 2nd and 3rd some times.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 23, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I say we trade Semin and Flash for A. Haynesworth.
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two powder puffs for a bigger version of Bfyuglien? sure!

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Underpants is on a roll. Last 2 posts were dead on.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Just a quick thing of Buff. He was moved to forward because he was big and they had several guys injured up front and needed a body one game when they had 7 D on the roster and only 11 healthy forwards. He scored a goal his first game so they kept him up there from then on. He was already a full time player on the Hawks on their 3rd pair and has only gotten better at skating since the move and would be big and physical but also could move the puck well which we all know BB likes. Buff could be the guy with the size we need and the skill the team likes and would be a great fit.

Posted by: icehammer97 | June 23, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather get Ladd, Sharp, or Bolland over Buff.

Isn't the asking price for Buff a 1st round pick +? No way, especially with all 29 GMs knowing that guys have to go.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 23, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The Pens were built by having the top or very high draft pick for about 4 years in a row. Crosby and Malkin were no-brainers. Jordan Staal over Toews and Backstrom? Fleury over Eric Staal? In hindsight, maybe not the best drafting - not terrible, but not wizard-like. So I don't immediately put Shero in the Hall of Fame.

Posted by: zmega | June 23, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

what about the draft that Pittsburgh won with Crosby?

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 23, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

just echoing Underpants, but Crosby plays on arguably the most physical team in the NHL. Don't think that doesn't play a major part in Pittburgh's successes over the past few seasons. They have a solid foundation, they play good team defense, they can play any style of hockey. Its just good balance. They have a real 4th line, they have a true open ice hitting dman, their skill guys like Letang play with a lot of spunk, their recent acquisitions include players like Kunitz, Cooke, Craig Adams, Mike Rupp, McKee etc.

McPhee has chosen a very different approach to how he has built the Caps around Ovechkin.


(cue in Sgm and his lame Ponikarovsky comments)

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

If GMGM would have been gone by now if the Caps did not win the Ovie draft (very possible), Shero would just as likely be gone if the Pens did not win the Crosby draft(and winning that draft was more lucky due to draft being sorted by a drawing rather than the team records due to lockout).

The Pens may not even still be in Pittsburgh if they didn't win the Crosby draft.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 23, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

They traded up for that MAF pick, remember. They targeted MAF and went for him.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 23, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

The Pens were built by having the top or very high draft pick for about 4 years in a row. Crosby and Malkin were no-brainers. Jordan Staal over Toews and Backstrom? Fleury over Eric Staal? In hindsight, maybe not the best drafting - not terrible, but not wizard-like. So I don't immediately put Shero in the Hall of Fame.

Posted by: zmega

No doubt the Penguins were helped by their draft position, as we have been. The big difference is that Shero added the right guys, McPhee hasn't figured it out yet.

2 years ago, some might say Shero mortgaged the future to get Hossa. Did it work, not entirely, although they did lose in the finals. The next year, he added different pieces. That time it worked.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 23, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"The Pens were built by having the top or very high draft pick for about 4 years in a row. Crosby and Malkin were no-brainers. Jordan Staal over Toews and Backstrom? Fleury over Eric Staal? In hindsight, maybe not the best drafting - not terrible, but not wizard-like. So I don't immediately put Shero in the Hall of Fame."

I think drafting Jordan Staal wasn't a mistake. He fits a very important specific role for them. Comparing him to Backs is apples and oranges. Staal is their better version of Steckel.
But yes, his drafting hasn't been incredible but its been good. And he does draft for some size. And when he goes after a skill player, that player usually plays a fiesty brand of hockey (i.e. Nathan Moon)

I think Shero's #1 strength is finding guys who will compete. He promoted Tyler Kennedy at the right time. He got Kunitz. Went after Cooke, etc. He's not about dismissing players just because they don't fit the new nhl mold of speed/finesse.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

McMoron is a genius. Look at how all of his run to the Cup moves panned out.

Posted by: doughless | June 23, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

Exactly right about Pittsburgh.

It is clear from this year's playoffs that a team that doesn't hit much(Hawks finished 25th in hitting, Caps 19th, Pens 3rd) and gets very few penalty minutes (Hawks 5th least PIMS, Caps 9th least, Pens 25th least PIMs)is more likely to win the Stanley Cup.

Why would we want to trend towards a team that lost to Montreal in 7 games when we could trend towards the team that just won the Stanley Cup.

It is clear that the Caps had too much grittiness this year and that was the cause of the early exit.

We need more finess and LESS grittiness and then the championship will be ours!!!!

(I am mocking those who put too much weight into one playoff round and then overreacting to it)

Posted by: sgm3 | June 23, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Pens went to the finals in 2008 after Shero traded for Hossa, which took balls.
Therien got them there.

2009, the Pens languished. Shero fires the coach who had them in the finals the year before, that moves sparks them to win the cup.

You just cannot argue the fact that Shero is a better GM than McPhee.

Both GMs got lucky winning the lottery. We were both given a gift from god. One took the opportunity and ran with it. The other, well...

Posted by: underpants2 | June 23, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

can someone explain to sgm that the Caps don't exactly match up with competitiveness/grit with the Hawks either.

And that no one is making the claim that grit alone wins you anything. Just a lame diversionary tactic aimed at winning/subverting the argument.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

sgm, you should spend your free time watching some of the western conf series sometime. Then you can speak in an educated way about how little grit the Hawks apparently have :)

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

can someone explain to sgm that the Caps don't exactly match up with competitiveness/grit with the Hawks either.

And that no one is making the claim that grit alone wins you anything. Just a lame diversionary tactic aimed at winning/subverting the argument.

Posted by: cstanton1

Watching the playoffs should tell you all you need to know about the difference between the Caps lineup, and that of the Hawks/Flyers. They play with an intensity that we just do not have.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 23, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

So now you are ignoring statistics. Why don't you ever support your claims with supportive evidence. (stats, expert articles, etc.) The hitting and PIM stats the most looked at stats when determining team grit?

A team finishing 25th in each of those is not considered gritty by any means, no matter how much you want to say they are.

And I have watched plenty of Hawks games this year.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 23, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

"Why would we want to trend towards a team that lost to Montreal in 7 games when we could trend towards the team that just won the Stanley Cup."

lol, so every year you want to trend towards someone different? That should make for a great business model.

When the Ducks won, why not trend towards having more fighters? When the Pens won, why not trend towards being the most prolific hitting team?

and btw, the Laich-Steck-Brads line was our most effective line v the Pens 1 yr ago. So that actually makes MY argument and defeats yours, since what that showed me is our top scoring lines decided to take the easy way out v the Pens defense instead of doing a better job of forechecking, cycling and grinding. We didn't lose because our gritty guys didn't show up. We lost because not enough of our skill guys were willing to pay the price. doh!

face it - not matter who wins, McPhee's vision for his own team is not about to undergo a huge makeover. He wants to do it his way. He already said that a week ago.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

So we need more grit and a new GM. Well, I think this guy, who is smart and tough, could solve both of those problems being a player/GM. Lets sign him up!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worf

Posted by: sgm3 | June 23, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm a big McPhee fan, but March 2009, Shero got Guerin and we did not.

Looking back at the Caps-Pens series, put Guerin in a Caps sweater and we win.

The Cup? I don't know.

Guerin won't ever go to the HoF but he sure was a key piece of that puzzle.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 23, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Watching the playoffs should tell you all you need to know about the difference between the Caps lineup, and that of the Hawks/Flyers. They play with an intensity that we just do not have.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 23, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

exactly. If you can't see it with your eyes, then statistics are just a tool for you to make whatever argument you want to make. The Hawks are able to play a very physical style depending on whom their opponent is. The Caps, will attempt to keep playing their lowkey/nonaggressive style and win that way regardless of who their opponent is. McPhee set the stage himself when he was asked repeatedly about the team's shift away from a tough guy role - he said that the plan was to turn the other cheek and make the opponent's pay with our PP.
I don't see the Hawks doing that. They initiate contact, they don't mind getting into scrums, they throw some heavy hits out there, they clear their crease better, they have a legit fearsome defensive leader in Seabrook, etc etc.

but go ahead and live inside your statistical world sgm, its a safe haven for you where you don't have to think for yourself.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

"lol, so every year you want to trend towards someone different? That should make for a great business model."

You didn't read my complete post did you. Take another look.

The Laich/Steckel/Bradley line was great in the Pens series. But it was not the top line. Come on. Any line Ovie was on was the Caps top line in that series (the lines were juggled).

Posted by: sgm3 | June 23, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

@underpants:

The Penguins winning the right to draft #1 is no different than the caps moving from 3 to 1 in the draft to win Ovechkin. In both instances, the statistically worst team did not end up drafting 1st overall. Pitts had 58 pts, caps and hawks both had 59... yet caps drafted 15th, Montreal finished with 93 pts yet drafted 5th... the standings were thrown out in the 2005 draft and they used a crazy system that shafted teams that were good in the past (and that hurt the Caps). It didn't take into account that the Caps legitimately sucked then.

A case could be made that the caps (who finished 3rd worst in 2004) should have drafted no lower than 8th (accounting for inprovement) in the 2005 draft. So GMGM got shafted out of Skille, Setogouchi, Kopitar, Marc Staal. how different a team would we be without Finley as the choice and one of the above in the lineup?

Getting to the point, if the Pens hadn't drafted first in 2005 they would have picked who? certainly no one of Crosby's pedigree.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2005e.html
If the caps had not won the lottery and remained in 3rd in 2004, the Pens get Crosby, Chicago would have gotten Malkin and the Caps would have had Barker and Ladd next up in the rankings... Nobody was remotely close to Ovechkin and Malkin. Yes, that's lucky... but so was it unlucky in the 2005 draft.

so again, I don't understand the validity of the "the GM lucked out on the #1 pick" point. The "got lucky" arguement goes the same way of the "got shafted"! you deal with the bad and good breaks and in the 2004 he pulled Ovechkin, Green, Schultz, Lepisto (all NHLers). I'm sure that was lucky too right?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you don't like GMGM and his passive and methodical approach, correct? I'm happy you aren't the GM, because I see lots of Playoff runs and a couple of Stanley Cups in the future... much more so than we might see with someone else running the joint (again, IMHO). But, time will tell if this offensive juggernaut can be good enough to bring home the Cup. until then I guess you and I will agree to disagree and respectfully have our own opinions.

In all sincerity, have a good day bud. it's fun discussing things on here.. :-)

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 23, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

So we need more grit and a new GM. Well, I think this guy, who is smart and tough, could solve both of those problems being a player/GM. Lets sign him up!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worf

Posted by: sgm3 | June 23, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

do you think that we all missed your link the first 15 times you posted it?

ok here you go,

lmao sgm! good one buddy!

now you can stop reusing your old jokes.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Did you guys see the link on japers? Apparently Bourque is going to the KHL.

Posted by: pkendrick | June 23, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

The Laich/Steckel/Bradley line was great in the Pens series. But it was not the top line. Come on. Any line Ovie was on was the Caps top line in that series (the lines were juggled).
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the Laich line was our most consistent effective line in generating some offense and playing well defensively.
Don't try and change the essence of the argument with semantics.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

@FrankM73

I agree 100% with you and co-sign on your post.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 23, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you don't like GMGM and his passive and methodical approach, correct? I'm happy you aren't the GM, because I see lots of Playoff runs and a couple of Stanley Cups in the future... much more so than we might see with someone else running the joint (again, IMHO)
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this was directed at undiepants but just to step in for a moment...what about the essential claim that Underpants made regarding how Shero has added the right complements around Crosby (irrespective of the draft). Can you address this?

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

@FrankM73

I agree 100% with you and co-sign on your post.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 23, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

awesome! maybe you can step in then and compare Shero to McPhee with regards to the teams they have constructed (excluding the high picks). Compare the players Shero has added v the players McPhee has added.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

question: so does that mean people give GMGM credit for drafting Backstrom instead of Kessel?

I mean, based on points production and that he's a bonafide #1C, backstrom has more assists (189) then the others top 5 have points (except for Toews who has 191 pts)...

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 23, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

We should hire Mike Keenan as head coach/GM. If anyone knows the value of grit it is him. Just look at all of the success he has had the past 15 years.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 23, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you don't like GMGM and his passive and methodical approach, correct? I'm happy you aren't the GM, because I see lots of Playoff runs and a couple of Stanley Cups in the future... much more so than we might see with someone else running the joint (again, IMHO). But, time will tell if this offensive juggernaut can be good enough to bring home the Cup. until then I guess you and I will agree to disagree and respectfully have our own opinions.

In all sincerity, have a good day bud. it's fun discussing things on here.. :-)

Posted by: FrankM73

No doubt, and I agree, nothing personal, just fun talk.

But I do think McPhee has failed. I would like to see more aggressiveness (if that's a word). Shero had the foundation, and he added the missing pieces. McPhee has the foundation, he just can't seem to locate the missing pieces. How long do you give him? IMO, his time should be up.

This team needs a face lift. The future is now. We don't need 3 goalie propects. We don't need a 1st round pick. He needs to figure out a way to take these assets, plus others at his disposal, and bring us the cup.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 23, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

We should hire Mike Keenan as head coach/GM. If anyone knows the value of grit it is him. Just look at all of the success he has had the past 15 years.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 23, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

you keep proving your worth in every post. Why only go back 15 yrs? Why not go back even longer? Oh, but that won't help you make your point, is that right?
Keenan made the playoffs for 11 straight seasons. Won both an AHL and an NHL championship. Oh, also made the NHL finals THREE different times not including when he actually won the Cup. Also on 2 separate occasions his teams advanced past the 2nd round. So overall, he made the playoffs for 11 straight seasons with 4 different teams and 5 or 6 different GMs, and he made it past the 2nd round 6 times.

You're right sgm, he really sucks! lmao

You keep proving my point for me though, thanks. Keenan, the ultra-gritty coach,

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

@FrankM73

Your point about the 2005 draft. We had the 15th and 29th picks. We missed out on Kopitar and Staal. But if we wanted them, we could have packaged those picks and moved up.

But we also pick two guys who haven't sniffed the NHL. We passed on: Stasny, Vlasic, Neal, Oshie, Rask. We could have used either of those picks on one of those guys.

You have some good drafts, and some horrible ones too.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 23, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Also, Keenan won the cup 16 years ago as a coach.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 23, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

question: so does that mean people give GMGM credit for drafting Backstrom instead of Kessel?
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absolutely.

Now do we want to go back and revisit other players that he missed the boat on completely? do we want to revisit how many draft picks he cultivated past the 2nd round that turned into anything? how about his free agent record overall? how about the trades that have occurred where quality players have moved around at equitable costs and we haven't been a part of it? how about his choice of hiring Cassidy? how about..

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Keenan was not GM of any of those teams.

Lets fire GMGM and BB and hire Keenan as GM and Melrose as head coach. Then the Caps will dominate the NHL.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 23, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Also, Keenan won the cup 16 years ago as a coach.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 23, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

of course he did, sgm intentionally used the past "15 yrs" as his argument. So sly and clever.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

@pkendrick: probably a good move to Bourque because as much as I wanted to see him get a shot in DC, the lines are stacked against him!

@sgm3: thank you kinds sir/madame!

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this was directed at undiepants but just to step in for a moment...what about the essential claim that Underpants made regarding how Shero has added the right complements around Crosby (irrespective of the draft). Can you address this?

Posted by: cstanton1
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that's fine, Pittsburgh has won the cup! Great for them, but who did they lose the season after on defense? Gil and Scuderi, their 2 physical D, leaving them less physical on D and bowing out in the second round this year...
Looking at their cap situation, I'm happy to have the caps situation
Looking at their D, I'm happy with ours
Looking at their future/draft/prospects, I'm happy to be a caps fan

The fact is that the caps farm team is stocked, the Bears have 3 cups in 5 years with key contributors in Neuvirth, Carlson, Alzner, A.Gordon and maybe another all joining the Caps FT this year. And this is bad how?

Did Shero add pieces to get a cup? Yes! But what was the cost? it was the future and his farm system!

The caps are building from within and trying to win the cup THE RIGHT WAY, without sacrificing the farm... and being competetive for years... and having the farm system/prospects constantly replenish the caps...

personally, I think the caps will win multiple Cups before Crosby and the Gang will repeat. History has show you need a solid supporting cast to win and Shero has traded that away!

@all:
on a side note: Mitchell is symptom free... I fully endorse going after him, HARD!
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/fantasy/2010/06/22/nichols-mitchell-symptom/

@underpants:
I respectfully disagree! It's a mistake to trade the 1st round pick or the 3rd goalie prospect. Outside of my personal view that the caps longtime #1G is Holtby, not varly or Neuvy, you let the young goalies blossom and them pick one and trade the spares for value.

personally, the caps are poised to continue dominating the league in a way we haven't seen in a while, you'll see multiple cups in the next 3 or 4 years...

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 23, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Keenan was not GM of any of those teams.

Lets fire GMGM and BB and hire Keenan as GM and Melrose as head coach. Then the Caps will dominate the NHL.
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so because your argument against Keenan proved to be a farce, now you're changing it to mock him as a GM?

whatever you're smoking must be reaaal good.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

you know what i find interesting about you sgm? a few weeks ago you ranted on about "logical" arguments and you broke down for all of us how the study of logic dictates certain principles.

And today, you're proving yourself to be an extremely illogical person.

When someone makes an argument that the Caps don't have the right balance of skill to grit, you imply that what they're really saying is to:

a) replace all our skill with grit
b) replace our GM and coach with 2 guys on the extreme end (Keenan, Melrose)

I know it makes it easier to dismiss valid counterpoints when you completely subvert what those people are saying. But, don't ever again present yourself as a purveyor of logical thought. You have zero credibility at this point.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

@underpants:
I respectfully disagree! It's a mistake to trade the 1st round pick or the 3rd goalie prospect. Outside of my personal view that the caps longtime #1G is Holtby, not varly or Neuvy, you let the young goalies blossom and them pick one and trade the spares for value.

personally, the caps are poised to continue dominating the league in a way we haven't seen in a while, you'll see multiple cups in the next 3 or 4 years...

Posted by: FrankM73

IMO, sometime you have to play for now, not 3 years from now. No one we draft this year will help for at least 3 years. If Holtby is so good, trade Varly or Neuvy, you don't need 3.

That is all I am saying. Use everything at your disposal to go out and get the guys you need. If you need to overpay, so be it. What he has done thus far has not worked. Time to try something else.


Posted by: underpants2 | June 23, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

personally, the caps are poised to continue dominating the league in a way we haven't seen in a while, you'll see multiple cups in the next 3 or 4 years...
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i can't wait! yippee! I say, stay the course. Its been working so far.

just kiddin frank. At least you don't lie about what the other side of the argument is just to gain an upper hand.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

@underpants:

yes, GMGM's picks of Finley and Pokulok were wastes but I was really referring to the sham that was the order of the 2005 draft based on the following:
"As a lockout cancelled the 2004–05 NHL season, the draft order was determined by lottery on July 22, 2005. Teams were assigned 1 to 3 balls based on their playoff appearances and first overall draft picks from the past three years. According to the draft order, the selection worked its way up to 30 as usual; then instead of repeating the order as in past years, the draft "snaked" back down to the team with the first pick. Therefore the team with the first pick overall would not pick again until the 60th pick. The team with the 30th pick would also get the 31st pick. The draft was only seven rounds in length, compared to nine rounds in years past. The labor dispute caused the shortened draft."

It was ludicris to penalize a team that made the playoffs 2 years ago when they legitimately suck right now!

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 23, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for hiring Keenan as GM(he will replace all the skill guys with grit guys) and hiring Melrose as coach. We would kill any team in fights and PIMS. It will be awesome.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 23, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for hiring Keenan as GM(he will replace all the skill guys with grit guys) and hiring Melrose as coach. We would kill any team in fights and PIMS. It will be awesome.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 23, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

yes, GMGM's picks of Finley and Pokulok were wastes but I was really referring to the sham that was the order of the 2005 draft based on the following:
"As a lockout cancelled the 2004–05 NHL season, the draft order was determined by lottery on July 22, 2005. Teams were assigned 1 to 3 balls based on their playoff appearances and first overall draft picks from the past three years. According to the draft order, the selection worked its way up to 30 as usual; then instead of repeating the order as in past years, the draft "snaked" back down to the team with the first pick. Therefore the team with the first pick overall would not pick again until the 60th pick. The team with the 30th pick would also get the 31st pick. The draft was only seven rounds in length, compared to nine rounds in years past. The labor dispute caused the shortened draft."

It was ludicris to penalize a team that made the playoffs 2 years ago when they legitimately suck right now!

Posted by: FrankM73

Agree. That lockout killed us.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 23, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

the biggest flaw in McPhee'd drafting has been his reluctance to go after quality role depth players in the later rounds. And to invest in quality power forward and defensive dmen prospects in the higher rounds. Not necessarily even round 1. But rounds 2 and 3. This trend recently changed a bit in the last 2 yrs with SDR and Garret Mitchell. But in order to find those aggressive checking forwards who can fill out the bottom lines you have to draft a few of em every year in the mid to later rounds, and then a few pan out.

You can't expect to find a Ryane Clowe type if you don't take the chance in drafting strong aggressive forwards who have shown some offensive potential, but who lack the top end speed/finishing skills that McPhee looks for at the expense of nearly every other quality.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for hiring Keenan as GM(he will replace all the skill guys with grit guys) and hiring Melrose as coach. We would kill any team in fights and PIMS. It will be awesome.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 23, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

the pathetic ramblings of a defeated opponent.

better yet sgm, lets hire Dorothy Hamill as the GM and change the players' outfits to skirts and pantyhose. Then we can all watch our favorite team really play hockey the way you want them to. And we can bake cookies, have tickle panty fights and throw a big party, yay!

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

sgm logic: make fun of a coach who won a Stanley Cup, advanced to the finals several other times, made the playoffs for over a decade straight with different teams and GMs, all the while defending two guys who never won anything tangible at the NHL level.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Keenan and Melrose would dominate over all others with pure awesomeness.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 23, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't even rag on McPhee for the Finley pick. He's still not a complete bust. He may never play NHL defense but in 3 yrs he could be a menacing 4th liner for us and see part time duty on the PP providing some screens. It was worth reaching for him in the 1st round even if he doesn't turn into the dominating defensive presence he was expected to become. Pokulok however, was a real reach. No intangibles there. Big finesse dman who was a real project: that was his bio.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

semin's a real headcase and bad locker room guy. Laziest player in the nhl bar none. Only surpassed in his softness by the Flash.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton:

I agree his drafting has recently encorperated power forward types and it should continue to do so...

regarding Keenan: all but two years of coaching were before teh lockout and the game changing a little bit...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Keenan

there's better options for head coach/GM out there should BB or GM get tanked in the future

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 23, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

time is quickly running out on Finley... the below stats hardly justify resigning him at the end of next season when his ELC is up...

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=81039

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 23, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Semin sucks. He only scores when other people let him. When facing opponents who have grit he just folds like a lawn chair.

Amazingly, doctors have just found out that he actually has no heart. Semin is a real life tin man and Flash is a real life marshmallow man.

The Caps would be much better off just getting rid of them and picking up some guys from the minors with true charachter and heart who grind, play dirty and are gritty. True hockey players.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 23, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

regarding Keenan: all but two years of coaching were before teh lockout and the game changing a little bit..
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oh i know, i never suggested Keenan. That was just sgm's lame attempt at trying to prove that a "gritty" coach is a failure at the nhl level. And true to form, sgm only went back 15 yrs. One year before Keenan actually won the Cup. Weaaaak!


"there's better options for head coach/GM out there should BB or GM get tanked in the future"

absolutely there is. And none of them are named Keenan and Melrose.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

time is quickly running out on Finley... the below stats hardly justify resigning him at the end of next season when his ELC is up...
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he suffered some type of hand injury last yr, he was actually playing pretty well from what i could gather. But for sure he has to prove himself this year and prove worthy of a promotion from the E to the A. Otherwise buh bye!

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

The Caps would be much better off just getting rid of them and picking up some guys from the minors with true charachter and heart who grind, play dirty and are gritty. True hockey players.
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right, because character and grit only occurs at the minor league level.

any more gems you care to share with us today? you're in a tailspin.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

between the recommendations for Worf, the KHL stuff, 15 years of Keenan, the tin man and marshmellows... I'm feeling hungry and wondering if sgm will pass whatever he's smoking... 8-O (all in good fun, bud) lol

regarding Finley: I heard he went back to D in SC, was that true and does anyone know how he did?

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 23, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

@FraknM73

When cstanton1 is involved in the conversation using logic and reason is pointless.

So I'm just having fun and talking in cstanton fashion. I have to admit, it is fun.

We need to get rid of Semin and substitute him with someone who has more grit. Anyone know where Betty White can be found?

Posted by: sgm3 | June 23, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

i think they needed him on D more than at forward in SC. And Patrick Wellar was slated for Hershey so they had no depth at D. Not sure how he hurt his hand but it was pretty serious. Lost blood flow to his hand and they had to perform surgery to relieve the artery.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Byfuglien has been traded to Atlanta

Posted by: underpants2 | June 23, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

@Frank
What Finley has going for him apparently is a serious work ethic. Holtby said he was the hardest worker on the ice.
And he's all about diet and exercise so that's a good sign. Hopefully he won't end up out of shape like Semin; lol

sgm, its time for you to go report to tool academy!

the funny thing is, Betty White probably has more grit in her wrinkled pinky than Semin has in his entire weasley body!

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

looks like big buff is headed to atlanta. great was hoping we would overpay for him. wait our gm will sign maxim afigenov...

Posted by: samb99 | June 23, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Byfuglien has been traded to Atlanta

Posted by: underpants2 | June 23, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

get outa here...for who? i don't see it anywhere yet. Was Colby Armstrong part of it? maybe a 2nd ? maybe that big 6ft8 dman they drafted high a few yrs ago?

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

uh oh, a big gritty player got traded. Apparently those guys actually ARE valuable. SGM's world falls apart.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Byfuglien, Sopel, Eager to Chi
1st Pick (NJ) 2nd Pick (NJ) Reasoner to CHI

Posted by: underpants2 | June 23, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

GMGM sucks. Caps are a dump.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 23, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

wow, Eager Sopel and Buff to Atlanta for some high picks


the Caps D just went into hiding.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

here it says
http://jasonsdailysblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/atlanta-thrashers-acquire-dustin.html

Chicago Blackhawks trade Dustin Byfuglien, Bremt Sopel and Ben Eager to the Atlanta Thrashers for New Jersey's first round pick, New Jersey's second round pick and Jeremy Morin

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Atlanta adding Byfuglien and Eager. If nothing else, they will be hitting everything that moves.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 23, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I hope the SE turns into a big bruising division. It'll keep the heat on McPhee to acclimate. And maybe expose his team of nancies to some better division hockey. Tampa started to turn that way last yr and now it looks like Atl is going the same route. Come on Cats and Canes!

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

The Minnesota Wild signed forward Brad Staubitz to a two-year contract on Tuesday, one day after acquiring the rights to the restricted free agent in a trade with San Jose.

The deal is worth $1.15 million.

"I'm an energy, hardworking kind of team guy," Staubitz told the Associated Press in a telephone interview. "I fight for my teammates when I need to - for the team and for the momentum of the game. I think I bring grit, and I hope to contribute in that way. I'm a straightforward guy. What you see is what you get. I crash and bang and do what I do."

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

so in the last coupla days - Eager, Horton, Buff, Staubitz, and Gregory Campbell have all been acquired.

I dunno sgm, that's a lotta grit gettin moved around. How does that fit into your world of daffidols and daisies?

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

"Byfuglien, along with Brent Sopel, Ben Eager and Akim Aliu, will be headed to Atlanta in exchange for the 24th overall pick at the 2010 NHL Entry Draft, the 54th
pick, Marty Reasoner and Jeremy Morin."

ouch... salary cap issues are much better now... but at a cost...

too bad for Buff... Atlanta... lol

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 23, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

looks like buff got traded for a 1st and a second round pick.. the prospect from chicago washes out the atl prospect. sopel and eager nothing great. chicago did well given they were not negotiating from a position of strength. i still would have traded a first and a prospect for buff if i was the caps.

Posted by: samb99 | June 23, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

too bad for Buff... Atlanta... lol

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 23, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

at least he got a Cup out of it. Now he'll get paid, which will take the sting out of playing for another rebuilding team. And who knows, Atl was playing pretty good hockey at the end of last year. They could be a surprise team. Getting Oduya on defense and some young guys coming up who were drafted high in the last few yrs.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

damn, salary cap is 59.4 mil, floor is 43.4 mil... st louis has some work to do at 12 players signed for 28 mil... lol

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 23, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

"i still would have traded a first and a prospect for buff if i was the caps."

he doesn't skate or stick handle well enough, he's not worthy of the Caps

So scratch Horton off the list. Scratch Buff. Its down to AV and I guess Weiss.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I went to Caps prospects camp in Arlington last summer and saw Finley scrimmage as a winger. He was definitely a factor, IMO. There were a lot of little (and some not so little) guys looking over their shoulders when they went into the corners. To me (for whatever that's worth) it looked like an experiment that was worth giving a fair trial.

Posted by: zmega | June 23, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

actually the Blues have some really nice young players/prospects. I'd love to dump Semin on them....think they'd bite?

Semin plus Schultz for Backes, Oshie, Jackman.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I went to Caps prospects camp in Arlington last summer and saw Finley scrimmage as a winger. He was definitely a factor, IMO.
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i'm hoping he turns into at least a 4th liner and havoc-creator in the crease ala Buffy.

Didn't he also get hit pretty hard by little SDR?

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

cstanton,

I'd pull the trigger on that one in a heart beat.

Wonder how much more $$ Chicago has to dump, or if the chance to get Sharp is gone?

Posted by: Steve_R | June 23, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

SDR concussed himself when he hit Finley

Posted by: Steve_R | June 23, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Backes is a RW!

Oshie might be worth a look but we have MP, who I think will be an X factor this season.

Haven't seen Jackman play in a while, read on HF Boards from blues fans he's not been panning out...

there's a better package out there for Semin...

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 23, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm not so sure why ATL would make that move. Kind of strange.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 23, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

lol did he really?

I have to think the Hawks want to hold onto Sharp. And since they have strong depth at the bruising winger position, so they were able to deal those 2 forwards without creating a huge hole.

(note to sgm: what happens when you do a good job of acquiring/drafting big bruising forwards the way the Hawks have done is it lets you make deals like this and get back young prospects/picks in return) Caps have nothing like that to offer other teams. So we have to deal headcases like Semin.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Steve_R is right SDR was concussed when hitting JF... lol

reports were that Sharp was never on the table...

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 23, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm not so sure why ATL would make that move. Kind of strange.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 23, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing it was a combo of wanting to get bigger upfront and they're comfortable with the amount of young talent (Kane, Bogosian) they've stockpiled so they were willing to deal the surplus draft picks.

Good to see the Thrash add some bite to their lineup. They'll make life a little more uncomfortable for our stars which can only bode well for our development. The SE has been too kind to us over the years.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: sgm3 | June 23, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

So they grabbed a bottom 6 guy, a marginal top 6 guy, and Sopel? I just feel like they could have fished around for some better ways to get rid of the surplus picks.

Oh well, they didn't really give anything up and acquired 3 NHL-ready bodies.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 23, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

So atlanta potentially goes into next season with

Boulton
Eager
Artyhukin
Armstrong
Buffy
Kane
Thorburn

that's a big facelift on the kind of wussy lineup they started the season out with last year. Shades of the changes Tampa made the yr before.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

ATL needs someone who can score, since it seems like they are trying to get ready now instead of more rebuilding.

rights to Flash? You want him Dudley?

Posted by: richmondphil | June 23, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

oh and Antropov I guess.

and that 6ft8 kid Valabik on D. And tough kid prospect Patrice Cormier who they got from the Devils also competing to make the squad.


that's one big nasty freaking lineup. Its like the 1989 Calgary Flames.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

So, Kovalchuk essentially got the Thrashers; Oduya, Bergfors, Byfuglien, Sopel, Eager, and two prospects in Cormier and Alui.

Not a bad haul.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 23, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

rights to Flash? You want him Dudley?

Posted by: richmondphil | June 23, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

how bout him and Sarge/Alzner for Evander Kane

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

yeah not bad at all. That's some GMing for you. Lou got schooled.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

and what do you expect when you overpay for a highly one-dimensional skilled Euro. You get burned every time. Hopefully some team is stupid enough to overpay for Semin. Maybe there's another McPhee floatin around out there.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 23, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

So, Kovalchuk essentially got the Thrashers; Oduya, Bergfors, Byfuglien, Sopel, Eager, and two prospects in Cormier and Alui.

Not a bad haul.

Posted by: richmondphil

talk about using your assets wisely... that rivals the freaking Lindros trade right there in terms of quality NHLers for 1 dude

2 top 5 Defenseman
3 top 6 Forwards
2 above average prospects...

YOWZERS!!!

Come on GMGM, trade Semin and get a haul to stock Hersh... oh wait, he drafted well and doesn't need to... :-| hehe

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 23, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Well, technically ATL lost Salmela and a prospect in Morin along with Kovy. Reasoner was mostly a salary dump.

ATL needs to big up a big name scorer and/or a goalie.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 23, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Also, Eager is not a top 6 forward. Buff..is barely a top 6 forward.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 23, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Will somebody wake up McPhee?

Posted by: underpants2 | June 23, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

For the past few years I have enjoyed reading the comments on this blog. But the negativity and nastiness that has developed over the past few months has become unbearable to me - possibly because I'm a "wussy" girl, albeit a Caps STH for over 20 years. Many of the posters here have intelligent, insightful and often amusing comments (thank you tominsocal) but I'm getting tired of reading the posters' names first before I read the post to avoid those comments that just aggravate me.

We have a great team, a team that is fun to watch, and one that has enjoyed incredible success (in the regular season) over the past 3 years - those of us who followed the team in the bad old days enjoy this success and hope that they'll be able to pull in together in next year's playoffs.

But I can no longer tolerate the nasty, negative posts by all those here who obviously should be the GM of this team (probably the coach too). So I'm saying goodbye and will no longer follow or post - I'll read Tarik and Lindsay's articles and then...move on.

I'm sure even after the Caps win their first Cup there will be those who post here and criticize the team, the GM, the Coach and the owners for some transgression.

Posted by: DevilsCapsGal | June 23, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

McPhee seems to be in no rush to try and erase our latest playoff embarrassment.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 23, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

but I'm getting tired of reading the posters' names first before I read the post to avoid those comments that just aggravate me.

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Haha, I've been doing this since I first joined here.

Don't be discouraged DevilsCapsGal, you were one of the more prolific posters when I first started to come around. Don't let a couple bad apples ruin the harvest, generally, lots of good Caps discussion can be had here.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 23, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

@DevilsCapsGal

Don't let the minority, who post in the majority (currently), get you down.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | June 23, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

@DevilsCapsGal

We'll miss you. I enjoyed reading your comments.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 23, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

What's up with Ovi at the Awards

Posted by: instinct227 | June 23, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

DevilsCapsGal: Sorry you are feeling that way. I'll admit, it has really gotten carried away. That's one of the problems with freedom of speech. It's like the people who bellow into a cellphone in a public area.

As someone once told me, the world would be a great place if it didn't have people. Of course, that's the other extreme. It would be nice though if everyone would consider civility before opening their mouth (or keypad).

Phil: You beat me to it. No sooner do I read about the Chi-Atl deal, and I immediately beging ticking off on my fingers what Atl got for Kovalchuk. Incredible. And this show how the cap really DOES work, and how the have-nots can improve.

And, no, this doesn't begin to rival the Lindros deal. Que got Forsberg, Simon (who got them a #1), Ricci, Duchesne, Hextall, another player (Kerry Huffman?) and maybe a pick that became a young goalie (from QMJHL, can't recall name) they traded for Patrick Roy. Oh, and the Flyers threw in a boatload of cash too.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 23, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

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