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Rate the Caps' trades for Walker, Belanger, Jurcina and Corvo

Caps GM George McPhee made a lot of moves today, but were they the right ones? Vote:

By Lindsay Applebaum  |  March 3, 2010; 3:42 PM ET
 | Tags: Eric Belanger, Joe Corvo, Milan Jurcina, Scott Walker  
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nothing blockbuster, but some subtle moves that should make the Caps better in the playoffs.

Posted by: zyvo23 | March 3, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

It does not matter what anyone thinks today. If the Caps can go deep in the playoffs, McPhee's moves look great. If not, he looks bad. Simple.

Posted by: HeShootsHeScores | March 3, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

These are small improvements, and the price was right for a team rich with prospects. Hard to argue with it, I think. But now, back to winning hockey games, right guys?

Posted by: DKSW | March 3, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Will Corvo and Walker just drive up together? I'm sure they can find KCI for tomorrow's practice.

Posted by: saintex | March 3, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone taken the time to thank Lindsey today? I am just amazed at how well she has kept things updated here.

Amazing job!

Posted by: jdhoover | March 3, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I don't anticipate any of the new guys playing for us tonight. It's game time in 3 hours.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | March 3, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Rate'em in June.

Posted by: numero94 | March 3, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Is Corvo, Walker, Belanger and Jurcina > Ponikovarsky and Leopold?

Posted by: gebster | March 3, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Corvo and Walker were great in last year's playoffs for the Canes and Juice was solid for the Caps. Didn't watch the Wild but I am guessing Belanger performed well. So, 20 games to get into the system and playoff ready.

Posted by: cparkerhere | March 3, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

@jdhoover thanks so much!

Posted by: Lindsay Applebaum | March 3, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Something to consider too is all of these players were on teams that were not destined for a deep playoff run or the much less the playoffs. I'm sure they will be very thrilled to be with an elite team and play their best hockey of the year. Let's hope anyway.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | March 3, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

At the very least, all these trades only cost us one roster player - Pothier. I am so relieved that the great chemistry that this team has shown all year will not be disrupted. Eric - you can answer your phone now!

Further - I didn't see any "blockbuster" trades today. The biggies, i.e. Kovalchuk, happened a few weeks ago. I didn't see anyone who was traded today who would have been someone the Caps HAD to have! Many of those we were all lusting after weren't traded anyway.

Posted by: DevilsCapsGal | March 3, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

You are welcome!

Posted by: jdhoover | March 3, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I expected more from our GM. But, now he has put a bunch of guys into a situation where this year's playoffs become a tryout for next year's roster. If you want an offer sheet, you'd better play your butt off in May and June.

Posted by: Wiley_One1 | March 3, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Caps outbid Flyers for Corvo. ESPN reported that Flyers tried to get Corvo but struck out. That probably explains why we threw in Osala

Posted by: lightshow | March 3, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Lines now?

OV - Backs - Knubs
Semin - Morrison - Flash
Laich - Belanger - Chimera
Brads - Stecks - Walker

With Fehr subbing in for anyone playing poor on the top 3 lines, and Gordon on the 4th maybe? I honestly have no clue, those are the ones I would start with, but who am I to say?

That doesn;t even touch the fact the team now has Alzner, Green, Poti, ShaMo, 55, Jurcina, Erskine, Corvo, Sloan all on the point.

Posted by: Aldred15 | March 3, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Is Corvo, Walker, Belanger and Jurcina > Ponikovarsky and Leopold?

Posted by: gebster | March 3, 2010 3:49 PM

Question of the day right here.

Posted by: rademaar | March 3, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I have thought we could've used Juice a bunch since he left! He was playing a lot better this season. I think if all Covo does is lp our PK...well that would be pretty valuable!

What are te forward lins gonna look like now? Any guesses?

Posted by: capscoach | March 3, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure it would work but I like the idea of a line of Chimera/Belanger/Bradley

I'm not sure where that would put Stecks but that seems to me to be a fast checking line that can play D, cycle and forecheck.

Posted by: sgm3 | March 3, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I dont think anyone else really upgraded much at all.

Flyers did nothing...Rangers did nothing...Sabres did nothing

I think it's the Pens, Devils and Caps....3 horse race...

$2 beers will take us to the promise land.

Posted by: SA-Town | March 3, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I suspect we will hear the usual "prices were too high" lines for some of those players we wanted. But, love 'em or leave 'em, they are our Caps!

C A P S!! CAPS CAPS CAPS!

Posted by: jdhoover | March 3, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

anyone a littl surprised that walker was on theverge of tears over the trade...I would think most players would be excited to come here

Posted by: capscoach | March 3, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Gebster Is Corvo, Walker, Belanger and Jurcina > Ponikovarsky and Leopold?

Um, yes! This is the year we get through the Pens. I just hope we play them this yr. EC Finals would be nice.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | March 3, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Gebster:

I think so.

But are the Caps with Theo better than the Pens with Fleury for 4 games out of 7.

That is a question that will be answered in the playoffs cause we will see them.

Posted by: numero94 | March 3, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"anyone a little surprised that Walker was on the verge of tears over the trade? I would think most players would be excited to come here
Posted by: capscoach | March 3, 2010 3:54 PM"

Where was that reported?

Posted by: Wiley_One1 | March 3, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Bad decision to stand pat w/goaltending. They made the decision to move past Theo *last* season (after ONE playoff game). Varly hasn't played enough *this* season for anyone to be convinced he's "ready" for a long Cup run. For a team w/a true shot at the Cup but no clear #1 goalie this late in the year (because neither of their goalies is clearly *a* #1), GMGM needed to do more today. While I liked the moves he made on an individual basis and voted accordingly above, overall, GMGM failed to address the team's critical need in goal. Not the day we needed from management, sorry. (And the price for Corvo was a tad steep.)

Posted by: caps1974 | March 3, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I can't say that I see the point of ANY of these "deals". Corvo may be a slight improvement over Pothier - but at a price that is way out of line. As far as the other forwards are concerned ..where are these guys going to play and who will they replace in the lineup? Belanger for Gordon?...maybe, I guess.
McPhee should have done nothing if this is all he had up his sleeve. Maybe I'm just spoiled by his past exploits.

Posted by: jlewis5 | March 3, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

re Walker's tears - I saw that report on a Canes website - he said he appreciated how much the team stood behind him (I think he was referring to the incident in last year's playoff game against Boston) - but he also said he was so excited about going to Washington that he'd buy his own ticket!

Posted by: DevilsCapsGal | March 3, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I think GMGM missed on Sutton, only a 2nd rounder, could have added a 7th or something to make that happen.Sutton could make a difference on the blue line, it looks now like the Caps are thinking they can outscore everyone to win the Cup, only time will tell.

Posted by: RichC3 | March 3, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I like the forward moves, but not the defensive ones. Those aren't guys you want on the ice at important times during the playoffs. Corvo is good for offence, but not for defence, which is what the Capitals needed. The forwards they brought in are good but now have too many forwards and too many guys with overlapping roles. I was expecting them to try to move on of their forwards to Nashville or Edmonton to bring in a good defensive defenceman. That's still their biggest need, as it was last season. And it still hasn't been addressed.

Posted by: Stu_c | March 3, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Another plus of the depth is remember last year in the playoffs when the Caps needed to play Sloan and Beagle because of injuries. That won't happen this year.

Posted by: sgm3 | March 3, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

numero94 - i really think it will be Varly in net for the playoffs - but its just my opinion.

Posted by: capsfansince74 | March 3, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

OV, Backs, Knuble
Semin, Morrison, Flash
Laich, Belanger, Fehr
Chimera, Steckle, Bradley

Extra: Walker and Gordon

Green, Shultz
Corvo, Morrisonn
Poti, Alzner

Extra: Erskine and Jurchina

I like that group. But Alzner needs to stay in the NHL now.

Posted by: barney56 | March 3, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

"anyone a little surprised that Walker was on the verge of tears over the trade? I would think most players would be excited to come here
Posted by: capscoach | March 3, 2010 3:54 PM"


Not true. He was interviewed on TSN right after the trade and he said he felt like won the lottery just like his buddy Wallin with Sharks. He said he is really exited to come here.

Posted by: lightshow | March 3, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

@SA-Town

Sabers upgraded big time. Raffi Torres will bring some much needed offense to this team. That plus Ryan Miller in goal equals big trouble for whatever 1-4 team pulls the Sabers in the first round.

Just pray the Sabers don't end up as the last playoff team. Miller has a tendancy to shutout our juggernaut offense. I can easily see the Caps loosing in the first round to a surging Buffalo team.

Posted by: patrone | March 3, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Is Corvo, Walker, Belanger and Jurcina > Ponikovarsky and Leopold?
Posted by: gebster | March 3, 2010 3:49 PM
Question of the day right here.
Posted by: rademaar

Not so much better, but different. Leopold is injury prone and I don't see where Poni would fit. Not exactly energetic. It would've depended on what we gave up. He's not known to be aggressive on the back check at times. Can be Lazy.

With the others, I think we got more of the "intangibles" a good team needs.

Posted by: jdhoover | March 3, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Hard to get excited about any of these trades, and one wonders if there will be a chemistry hit, due to 3rd and 4th liners competing for scarce playing time, that outweighs any marginal improvement on paper. But maybe the Caps are really psyched about Belanger's faceoff percentage. Could potentially mean more headhunter wrist shots off faceoffs for Semin, if they are ever out on the ice together. Also, Joe Corvo's first name and last name rhyme. I guess that's something...

Posted by: bbposter09 | March 3, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I like them all except maybe the Corvo trade, in retrospect.

Corvo is an upgrade over Pothier, sure, but he is more offense.

I would've liked Alberts, who went for a 3rd rounder, and/or Siedenberg instead.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 3, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Gebster:

I think so.

But are the Caps with Theo better than the Pens with Fleury for 4 games out of 7.

That is a question that will be answered in the playoffs cause we will see them.

Posted by: numero94 | March 3, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Touche'!

Posted by: gebster | March 3, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Belanger is a big addition for the defense as a center. Centers have a large defensive role and Belanger will likely be shadowing Crosby. I think acquiring a shadow for Crosby who is also a very good penalty killer should be considered a good addition that will improve the teams defense.

Posted by: sgm3 | March 3, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

TSN...
Edmonton sends Steve Staios to Calgary.

Posted by: robostop10 | March 3, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

@Wiley_One1

I watched th interview and article attached to it...he knew it was coming bu was sad to be leaving...hi voice kept trailing off and literally had tears in his eyes.

Posted by: capscoach | March 3, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

If you start with the view that GMGm believes that 2011 is the Cup win year and 2010 is a Conference Final or possibly Finals loss, today's moves look pretty good. We are not under huge pressure to win the whole thing in 2010. Foreplay, my friends.

Posted by: reverendyakdad | March 3, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

staios for aaron johnson

Posted by: _stevo | March 3, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Good luck Pothier. I feel bad for him to be going to the Canes and leaving us. He was a really good player and a nice guy.

Posted by: EricinMD | March 3, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

For anyone who thinks the Caps should have gotten a Stanley Cup winning goalie, who would you have gotten and what do you (realistically) think it would take to do so?

Posted by: spacecadetkid | March 3, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Belanger is a big addition for the defense as a center. Centers have a large defensive role and Belanger will likely be shadowing Crosby. I think acquiring a shadow for Crosby who is also a very good penalty killer should be considered a good addition that will improve the teams defense.

Posted by: sgm3


I agree. We will be tough to bottle up. We have a lot of D that can push the puck.

Posted by: barney56 | March 3, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

And I think sometimes we need to remember that sometimes a team will just not trade with another. For various reasons. So to say GMGM 'Missed' might be iffy. Maybe he offered. Maybe was rejected for reasons unknown.

And we'll never know, will we?

Posted by: jdhoover | March 3, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

You guys are looking in the wrong conference. Ducks got better, Kings got better, Sharks got a little better, Chicago no change, and Vanucks slightly better.

The battle is with the West. Everything before that is merely prelude.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | March 3, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Good ole Patrone with the "I can EASILY see the Caps going out in the 1st round".

Can you just as "easily" see them in the SC Finals?

Posted by: pokerface1208 | March 3, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I know its old news, but after seeing how much he is willing to move, I disappointed GMGM didn't make a move for Andy Sutton. We should've traded Erskine and a 2nd rounder for him.

Posted by: chatton | March 3, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

"The battle is with the West. Everything before that is merely prelude.
Posted by: oldtimehockey | March 3, 2010 4:07 PM"

Only if you win in the first three rounds.

Posted by: Wiley_One1 | March 3, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

As far as the goaltending situation goes, Varlamov hardly played at all last year before basically taking the team on his back for a ton of playoff games. He's played way more this year than last. So I don't think his lack of gametime experience will really hurt him this year. As it stands, glad we didn't try to upgrade at that position.

Varlamov will be the playoff goalie.

Posted by: jcoral128 | March 3, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

When you look at the trades and what the Caps needed, they make sense. First, we don't need more scoring or different goaltending. What we need is more toughness, a strong defenseman, and better defensive play from the forwards. Walker definitely brings grit and toughness, and Belanger is quite a bit like Steckel, except better offensively. He is 7th in the NHL in FO%, and is a defensive specialist - the kind of guy who can match up with Crosby. Walker was practically given to us, and Belanger was cheap for what he brings. Jurcina gives us another big dman, and was also a steal. Corvo was the only one we paid any real price for, and when you compare him to Pothier, I think we came out on top. Were there other moves that could have been made? Probably, but most of the needs the Caps have were addressed.

Posted by: timmyv38 | March 3, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Holy crap! Staois was moved. Edm sent him to Calgary for D Aaron Johnson and a 3rd rounder.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | March 3, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Is Corvo, Walker, Belanger and Jurcina > Ponikovarsky and Leopold?

Posted by: gebster | March 3, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Yes. Talking with many Pens fans today they were very unhappy with them getting Ponikovarsky.

Also it is not like the Caps and Pens were batteling right now. Yes the Pens won the cup but they lost their shut down D-pair in the offseason and the Caps upgraded with Knuble and replaced Feds.

If anything I think we tried to do too much today. Look at Chicago and SJ neither of them paniced and made trades and they are two of the best teams in the league.

Posted by: icehammer97 | March 3, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Yelle is back with the Avs. He's a great PKer. I think Belanger is the better pick there tho.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | March 3, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

From what I heard, they are rolling with Theo until he falters. Of course they will have a short leash but its his job to lose.

The more I look at this team the more I think it is built like a brick sh*t house.
This team is so deep not that our fourth line could be a team's third, our third line could be a team's second, and our second...well you get the point.


I do think you have to take Fehr over Walker because of how he drives to the net and how he's been playing lately. Its all about chemisty though. BB will figure it out.


Posted by: numero94 | March 3, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"You got to know when to hold 'em..
Know when fold 'em..
Know when to walk away..
Know when to run..


Seemed appropriate...

Posted by: jdhoover | March 3, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

The Caps got a good 2nd/3rd line center who can win faceoffs in the defensive zone. That was an obvious issue with Fleischmann and was part our problems on the defensive end. He also gives us an alternative to Steckel on the PK where we haven't been very strong. Walker gives us some more toughness and experience on the wing, but makes me wonder if Chimera is hurt worse than the Caps are saying. It didn't appear he had healed up during the break and wouldn't be surprised if he's out for a few more games.

Don't like the trade to bring back Jurcina. He's not an upgrade to any of our current defense, although he gives us another big body besides Erskine on defense. The trade of Pothier for Corvo may be a slight upgrade, but doesn't give us the big, tough crease clearing defenseman we needed. I just don't see that the defense got much better by acquiring Corvo and requiring Juice while giving up Pothier. Pothier was also a good guy in the locker room and think this could hurt the team chemistry.

Posted by: wizfan89 | March 3, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Will there be anyone left playing for the Canes when it ia all over...talk about a fire sale...2 more just left and went to the Avs!

Posted by: NatyBG | March 3, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

more trades coming in, maybe the trade GMGM just got in before the deadline has not been released yet

Posted by: _stevo | March 3, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse


I like the moves. We now have a third true center, upgraded a puck-moving D sport, and added grit and playoff experience. And we got all that without having to give up much. I like Pothier, but Corvo is an upgrade. The 2nd round pick may have been a slight overpayment, but its a risk worth taking. And Osala is a fading mid-level prospect with no room on the big club. Well done GMGM.

Posted by: Gould23 | March 3, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I think Juice is WAY more responsible than ShoaMo! I think Mo will be a healthy scratch

Green/Shultz
Corvo/Poti
Juice/Alzner

Scratch: Erskine, ShoaMo

Posted by: capscoach | March 3, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Like I said, I like all trades. The only one I am hesitant on is the Corvo trade. I wish somehow those assets were geared towards a more defensively sound d-man, but that's okay. He'll run the 2nd PP unit and be another threat from the blue line.

Walker brings a ton of energy and grit. An upgrade over Laing, and probably Gordon.

Belanger is the best trade. The Caps had two glaring problems going into today; the PK/center needs and the blue line. Well..Belanger fills that PK/center role to a tee. Great pick up.

Juice is just gravy. A pick for someone who is better than Erskine.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 3, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

whats the status of Jurcina? Is he out for a while with the hernia? how can someone trade us an injured player - not sure on that rule or if there is even a rule on it.

Posted by: capsfansince74 | March 3, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

_stevo - he's done. No more deals for the Caps. This is our roster til next yr.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | March 3, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Caps got a bunch of white guys...

bottom line...

Posted by: SA-Town | March 3, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

@pokerface1208

Not sure where that came from - I'm not one to be very negative.

I'm mearly pointing out that we could easily be beaten in the first round if we draw a team like Buffalo.

Miller has shut us out two or three times in the past two seasons. I'd honestly rather play NJ with a declining Brodour in the first round than Ryan Miller's Sabers.

Do you remember how much trouble we had with Lunquist in round 1 last year? Goals are hard to come by in the playoffs.

So yeah - I can easily see the Caps loosing in round 1 if we draw the Sabers. I can also see us winning the Cup. No one can tell the future - just offering up my thoughts.

Posted by: patrone | March 3, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Fehr will absolutely be playing on the 3rd line, Flash/Belanger/Fehr is a pretty good 3rd line.

However, I did like the idea someone put up of Laich/Belanger/Fehr as the 3rd line. That could be the Caps #1 defenisve line they match up against teams top line (like Crosby's). Fehr is great at creating turnovers with his long reach and is solid along the boards, and we all know what Laich brings. In addition Laich is a good winger to come in and take draws when Belanger is thrown out of the cirlce.

The only problem would be that it would create a line of Flash/BMo/Semin. Great skill but not much net presence there. I like having a guy (Laich) in front of the net for screens and rebounds when Semin lets his shot go.

Posted by: sgm3 | March 3, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Veteran, gritty, playoff experienced guys - I like most of the moves

Posted by: lylewimbledon | March 3, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

_capsfannies - if a player is injured it has to be disclosed. I'm thinking the trade was done and they found out after the fact which made GMGM go get Corvo.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | March 3, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Why do people think the Sabres are going to finish 8th? They will be no worse than 5th and have a very good chance of winning their division. It is very possible that a Pens/Sabres first round matchup will occur.

Posted by: sgm3 | March 3, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

patrone for us to play the Sabers in the first round they would have to fall to the 8th seed. I don't see that happening. Either that or the Caps would have to blow a 11 point lead in which case the Sabers would have to be 7th which is still 9 points behind them. In the first round the Caps will get one of Habs, Boston, Rangers, Philly, TB, ATL, or the Isles. None of those teams really scare me at all especially with us getting home ice.

Posted by: icehammer97 | March 3, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

So yeah - I can easily see the Caps loosing in round 1 if we draw the Sabers. I can also see us winning the Cup. No one can tell the future - just offering up my thoughts.

Posted by: patrone | March 3, 2010 4:20 PM

Sabres will probably win the division. And we will probably win the East.

I'm looking at philly, Montreal, etc as potential 1st rounder opponents.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 3, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

With ya there Patrone. The Sabres have fallen off the map though. They were very strong and contending for the east lead and then for the past month+ they've been in a free fall. I think it all depends on how they finish the season. Miller can steal a series for sure, I just don't see them beating us in a 7 games series even when they're at their best. Sure anything can happen but you know what I'm saying. If I were to be right now on the chances of the Caps going out in the 1st round vs. playing for the Cup I'd have to put my money on the latter. If Buffalo or anybody for that matter goes into the playoffs playing like last yrs Anaheim I'd be worried but Buffalo at this point might not even make the playoffs if they continue their free fall.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | March 3, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Strange moves. Not necessarily bad, but a bit strange. Morrison hasn't played great as the 2nd line centre (not as good as Fleichmann) and you aren't going to not have Steckel taking faceoffs so where does Belanger fit in? It would have made sense if they moved Flash, but by keeping him that would normally put Morrison to the 3rd, and Belanger to the 4th? Unless they are planning to put Belanger on the 2nd line, but I wouldn't bank on that working out. So it seemed like they would be moving someone from the front end, but it never happened. I like Belanger, but don't see where he'll fit in. Same with Walker. Good to have for the price, but now they have way too many forwards who play a similar role so I was expecting another move to clear some room for Walker. But it didn't happen. Corvo is a good puck mover but risky on the defensive end, which doesn't really fit in with what the Capitals are lacking on the back end. And bringing back Jurcina just doesn't seem like it will help at all. I think some of the young guys could step in and do better. So to me it seems like they were working on something else that didn't work out and decided to to a slight upgrade to Pothier instead. And brought in Jurcina for size maybe? Still don't get that one.

Posted by: Stu_c | March 3, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Caps got a bunch of white guys...

bottom line...

Posted by: SA-Town

shut up wilbon!!!

a little worried we didnt get the stay at home dman...and felt we prolly gave up too much for corvo...but otherwise it looks good...

pothier is the only rostered player and loss in chemistry...you ahve to figure all the others will only add to the chemistry...

i imagine we will struggle out of the gate here but this team will jell into a better team just like after the clark trade...

Posted by: deadskin | March 3, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Carlson was just called up per the Caps site:

The Washington Capitals have recalled defenseman John Carlson from the Hershey Bears of the American Hockey League (AHL), vice president and general manager George McPhee announced today.

Posted by: jsnyd1 | March 3, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

@ Stu_c Flash moves back to wing where he is best and BMo and Belanger are the 2nd and 3rd line centers and Gordon is scratched.

Posted by: icehammer97 | March 3, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"Strange moves. Not necessarily bad, but a bit strange."

Agree 100%.

Can't say that I am impressed either. I don't think the Caps got any better today. Nice to see Jurcina back.

Give it a few weeks and we'll see.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | March 3, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Capitals have recalled defenseman John Carlson from the Hershey Bears of the American Hockey League (AHL), vice president and general manager George McPhee announced today.

Posted by: jsnyd1 | March 3, 2010 4:32 PM |

I guess to take Pothier's spot until Corvo and Juice get here.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 3, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I guess to take Pothier's spot until Corvo and Juice get here.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 3, 2010 4:34 PM

And with Sloan being sick too...

Posted by: jsnyd1 | March 3, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

youareshishy posted a +/- stat for how a player compares in plus/minus compared to his teammates. Corvo had a very solid rating, 35th in the league for defensemen. From that standpoint, he is "first pair."

I think he and Belanger are nice upgrades.

Posted by: tominfl1 | March 3, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Belanger and BMo will certainly be our #2 and #3 centers, just depends on who they gel with best. Belanger gives us another PK center that can win faceoffs. Good move there. Best move of the day IMO.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | March 3, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

@icehammer97 - I didn't think Flash really started playing well this season until he was moved to 2nd line centre. That line seemed to be more producive when he was on the line than when Morrison was. He didn't play quite as good the last couple of games and Morrison had been playing a bit on the 2nd again but I liked him a lot more with Chimera on the 3rd line and Flash playing centre on the 2nd. Flash can be good on wing and if they had brought in a true 2nd line centre to move him back to the wing I'd like the move. But Morrison hasn't really been the 2nd line centre he was expected to be. If he had been, they wouldn't have moved him down to the third line and put a wing as 2nd line centre.

Posted by: Stu_c | March 3, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=1054&id=61561&navid=DL|NHL|home

for those who want an outside oppinion on what we did.

Posted by: icehammer97 | March 3, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Sure would like to know the condition of Juice though. I can't imagine it's too serious.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | March 3, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Best move of the day IMO.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | March 3, 2010 4:42 PM |

Hands down, the best trade of the day.

Belanger completely fills one of the 2 of the Caps glaring problems. Great, under the radar pick-up. Belanger..who knew?

I am still hoping to see Seidenberg get handed off to the Caps for like..Poti and a forward. Wishful thinking...

Posted by: richmondphil | March 3, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1

I think Belanger will be the most significant upgrade with Corvo being a close second.

I love that the Caps added a fast, defensive center who can chip in offensively. That will be very useful in the playoffs.

Corvo will help clearing the zone, he isn't big but is skilled and the Caps had trouble clearing the zone last year in the playoffs. He should be an improvement there and having a D man who can start the rush is very important.

There are other D I would have preferred but I think he is a quality addition. Going into the deadline all writers had Corvo priced higher than Sutton/Leopold/Seidenberg and others, so he obviously has some value.

Posted by: sgm3 | March 3, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

@Stu_c

Not true at all. Flash was hot right when he came back from his thrombosis.

Anyways, BB has a lot of different combos to work with. We have quite a few guys capable of playing on the 2nd/3rd.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 3, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Sure would like to know the condition of Juice though. I can't imagine it's too serious.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | March 3, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Stu_c he might have been producing more but his faceoff % was killing us especially in the D-zone. Maybe next season he can do it with the off season to work on it but right now he just isn't good enough.

Posted by: icehammer97 | March 3, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"In the first round the Caps will get one of Habs, Boston, Rangers, Philly, TB, ATL, or the Isles.
Posted by: icehammer97"

I think you can safely remove the Fishermen from that list. Anything can happen, but I don't realistically see (what is left of) that team making up 5 points and jumping over 3 teams with only 19 games left to play. And, judging by recent moves, I think their GM secretly agrees with me.

Posted by: Wiley_One1 | March 3, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I was looking at the NHL Numbers webs site a few days ago to see what upcoming UFAs the Caps might use for potential trade bait. With Nick Backstrom an impending RFA, and due for a huge pay raise, and the Caps’ burgeoning underclass of blueliners, it struck me that Morrisonn and Pothier, both UFAs at the end of the season, were strong candidates to be moved at the deadline. It’s also obvious that all of these acquisitions are likely only to be rentals as they’re all UFAs after the season, so it seems to me the Caps’ brain trust think they can go all of the way with this crew.

Posted by: braunt | March 3, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Trades are still coming. I hope GMGM can a least get a pick for B. Gordon instead of moving him to Hershey.

Posted by: ablake70 | March 3, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Wow Phoenix is active late!

Posted by: pokerface1208 | March 3, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Felony assault? Great character addition. On second thoughts, maybe she deserved it (NOT).

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | March 3, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Remember that the pick sent for Juice was conditional. I do not know what the condition is but it probably has something to do with # of games played. If Juice isn't able to come back then I'm guessing Columbus gets nothing.

A sports hernia can be serious and can take a while to heal. So we will find out.

Posted by: sgm3 | March 3, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for all the updates, Washington Post Team! So much information to process---it's gonna take me days to sort through this.

Happy to see Juice back---I liked him and his grit in the playoffs last year. Is it very unusual for a player to be traded away and then brought back in the same season? Seems like it would be.

Now, who is going to be in the goal tonight? Jose?

Posted by: dccitizen1 | March 3, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

The Caps filled specific needs, and did not try and go for the homerun. Got a little better today, no worse.

Pens fans are concerned! Go read their blogs! It may seem like bravado, but they can't stop talking about the Caps moves! ANd not even discussing their own!

Posted by: Leeguru | March 3, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I give this deadline an A-. GMGM saw, and filled one of the glaring issues with Belanger. He shuffled the blue line, hopefully getting them to play better defense as a whole. He added a bit of depth and grit with Walker.

A better acquisition can be said to have been made instead of Juice and Corvo, but we don't know what's going on or being said behind the scenes.
Better than last year's C. (for doing nothing).

Posted by: richmondphil | March 3, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Felony assault? Great character addition. On second thoughts, maybe she deserved it (NOT).

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | March 3, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

At least he didn't grab her camera

Posted by: Chad8 | March 3, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I'd think you put Jose in goal tonight; start Varly tomorrow.

Posted by: Sonyask | March 3, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Any of these guys playing tonight?

Posted by: lylewimbledon | March 3, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

What, did the PHO GM not show up for work until the last hour of trading? The last 3 trades involve PHO! LOL!

Posted by: pokerface1208 | March 3, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

He also dumped Clark's bigger salary for Chimera's smaller salary for basically nothing, a conditional 6th rounder. Chimera has been far better for us, on top of the fact he balances the left side more and gets paid almost half as much as Clark.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 3, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm waiting to see Michael Wilbon weigh in on these trades since he is Washington's foremost expert on the NHL.

Posted by: HistoryBoy | March 3, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Another benefit of the depth is that the Caps can give certain guys a rest during occassional games on a rotating basis down the stretch to ensure the team is healthy and rested before the playoffs start.

Heck, I wouldn't be suprised to see Knuble get a day off in April or Poti, BMo, Semin, Stecks, Brads or pretty much anybody except Ovie (you would have to lock him in a cell to keep him from playing).

Posted by: sgm3 | March 3, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Felony assault? Great character addition. On second thoughts, maybe she deserved it (NOT).

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | March 3, 2010 4:50 PM |

C'mon- I'd have to read the police report before I could make that kind of judgment.

Posted by: Fro_ | March 3, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Strange moves. Not necessarily bad, but a bit strange."

Agree 100%.

Can't say that I am impressed either. I don't think the Caps got any better today. Nice to see Jurcina back.

Give it a few weeks and we'll see.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | March 3, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

If you go by the recent history of these players we acquired today and reasonable expectations (meaning, a player doesn't suddenly raise his game to a whole new level he hasn't before), I give McPhee a C for today.

If he hadn't made the Corvo trade at all and still not landed another blueliner, I'd probably give him a C+/B-

Walker - no brainer deal but I wish McPhee had gone the extra step and acquired a Raffi Torres who would've been guaranteed a lineup spot and ice time. Now we have Walker who may not play very much at all when it matters because of the logjam at forward and the fact he's simply not the player Torres is. Not anymore.

EBelanger - if he was replaced BMo, then heck yeah. If BMo/Flash etc are still in the lineup that means less ice for guys like Steckel at even strength. So I'm ok with the move, but not as thrilled as I would've been if we'd just subtracted some other forwards from the lineup

Juice - glad to see that big lug back and hopefully he pans out.

Corvo - hate him

And I also don't like the fact that these guys are all impending UFAs (except Corvo who I hope we don't resign)

So now we have 14 forwards - Ovy, Semin, Backs, Fehr, Flash, Laich, BMo, Belanger, Brads, Steck, Walker, Chimera, Gordo, Laing.

I'd like to see BMo and Gordo OUT of the lineup so both Walker and Laing can play and add that defensive-minded grit this team sorely needs upfront. And Laich manning one of the center positions (i.e. 2nd line)


Overall, our defensive corps did not really get upgraded, in fact in some ways I think we downgraded since Corvo will get every opportunity to make McPhee look good.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 3, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Per Tarik on Twitter - Juice is out 6-8 weeks with a sports hernia...

Why did GMGM make this trade? Juice is a UFA after this year. He MIGHT be back for the finals of the playoffs. Not necessarily a situation where we can ease him back in to the lineup.

This trade makes zero sense now.

Posted by: patrone | March 3, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

C from cstanton? Well, that's good enough for me.

I don't like the Corvo trade either, but we'll see how it pans out.

Still hoping for a Seidenberg kick back to Caps for..Fehr and Poti? hah..

Posted by: richmondphil | March 3, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Correction: 4-6 weeks. Tarik originally said 6-8 weeks.

Posted by: patrone | March 3, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

This trade makes zero sense now.

Posted by: patrone | March 3, 2010 5:04 PM |

Conditional draft pick. I'm sure if Juice plays no games, the draft pick goes to CBJ.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 3, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

no draft pick goes to CBJ.*

sgm3 was talking about this.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 3, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Just wated to point out that the commentators on NHL channel all think the Caps had the best day today.

I think this has not hurt us at all and will probably help...so a good day.

I love Pothier, but he gets pushed around on the ice already and there will be even more physicality come playoffs...he was a good choice to move.

Posted by: capscoach | March 3, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

@patrone

It is a conditional draft pick, so if Juice doesn't come back then the Caps keep their 6th round pick.

It is a little unordinary, but the Caps only lose their pick if Jurcina comes back and plays.

Posted by: sgm3 | March 3, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Juice out 4-6...what!

Posted by: NatyBG | March 3, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

None of the moves are earth-shaking, but then, can the #1 team in hockey make an earth-shaking move that doesn't have a potentially large down-side? It looks like GMGM prepared the Caps for a physical playoff run without hurting the team's long-term financial situation or trading away any of its prized prospects. (I've been watching Osala for two years and I'm underwhelmed by his skill set.) In short, a solid day by the best NHL GM.

Posted by: tfirey | March 3, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1 I am not sure what Corvo did to you but he is a player who is much better then Pothier and is one of the better players on Carolina. He has won a cup and has been a plus in almsot every season.

Also don't know what your big problem is with B-mo. He is not a second line center like Malkin but not many are. He has been solid this season. We can have him, Flash, and Laich as a second line that is very strong with Belanger as the third line center with Chimera and Fehr. That line can shut down lines and is still a threat to score. The 4th line is then Stecks, Bradley, Walker, Gordon, and Laing on a rotating basis.

Posted by: icehammer97 | March 3, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Yes, it's true that Corvo's behindthenet rating so far this year is 35th amongst NFL defensemen with 30 or more games played so far. Pothier is 68th. It is a measure of +/-, I believe on a per-minute basis (or per-60-minutes-of-ice-time basis maybe), relative to that of your teammates. http://www.behindthenet.ca/2009/new_5_on_5.php?sort=7§ion=qualcomp&mingp=30&mintoi=&team=&pos=D

It's probably not the end-all and be-all stat for evaluating hockey players, but it's not worthless.

Joe Corvo's relative Corsi rating this season so far is remarkable. He is 11th in the NHL so far with a 10.2. Pothier is 132nd with a -3.9.

http://www.behindthenet.ca/2009/new_5_on_5.php?sort=32§ion=corsi&mingp=30&mintoi=&team=&pos=D

Corsi rating is basically a measure of how many shots are directed at the goal minus how many shots are directed at your own goal while you're on the ice, and I think it's like on a per-minute basis (I think maybe it's actually a per-60-minute basis, but whatever). Relative Corsi rating is your Corsi rating minus that of your teammates when you're not on the ice.

Relative Corsi rating is not the greatest stat ever or anything. If you play on the Capitals, for example, and don't play with Ovechkin much, your relative Corsi rating will suffer.

So maybe just the regular Corsi rating is better.

Corvi's regular Corsi rating (i.e. shots directed at net minus shots directed at his own net while on the ice) is currently 13.08, which makes him #7 in the NHL amongst defensemen who have played in 30 or more games so far. Pothier's regular Corsi rating is 1.8, which makes him #83.

http://www.behindthenet.ca/2009/new_5_on_5.php?sort=33§ion=corsi&mingp=30&mintoi=&team=&pos=D

Not saying Corvo is the defensive defenseman we'd love to have. These stats, like the regular old +/-, try to measure OVERALL value. And overall value is really the bottom line when you're talking about individuals. If Corvo makes the Capitals better offensively, defensively, or a little of both, that's a good thing, and I think Corvo is a better overall player than Pothier right now.

I think GMGM knows what he's doing.

Posted by: youaresquishy | March 3, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

When I said Joe Corvo's relative Corsi rating is 11th in the NHL so far, I meant 11th amongst NHL defensemen who have played in 30 or more games. My bad.

Posted by: youaresquishy | March 3, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Every guy on the NHL network right now had the Caps either going up their board of most likly to win or staying the same and all of them had the Caps in their top 4.

Posted by: icehammer97 | March 3, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

@icehammer97

You forgot to add Semin in your lines. I think that might move Flash or Laich down to line 3 LW and Chimera as line 4 LW.

Posted by: sgm3 | March 3, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

If Juice ends up playing, we give them a pick...If he is injured and never cracks the lineup, then we lose nothing.

It was basically a gift to Washington, and gave Jurcina a chance to get back with the old boys for the stretch run.

Posted by: SA-Town | March 3, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

anyone else having trouble getting the feed of GMGM on the Caps site? It says he is supposed to start at 5 is he just late?

Posted by: icehammer97 | March 3, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Any of these guys playing tonight?

Posted by: lylewimbledon | March 3, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

sgm3 your right it has been a long day. Even so you have Flash on the third line and Fehr on the 4th or even have Fehr sit like he did earlier in the season.

Posted by: icehammer97 | March 3, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

@lylewimbledon

doesn't look like it

Posted by: elicea | March 3, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

4-6 weeks! Wow, not really sure what the point is then. So we're gonna take somebody out of the lineup who has played for 4-6 weeks and replace them with Jurcina? This must be purely a safety move in the event a couple Dmen go down.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | March 3, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

lylewimbledon no Caps called up Carlson to take Pothier's place since Corvo won't be there yet

Posted by: icehammer97 | March 3, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

@ NatyBG
"Juice out 4-6...what!"

He's a depth Dman who upped his game in last year's playoffs. 6-4 physical D-men don't grow on trees. He will be ready for the playoffs

Posted by: jmurray019 | March 3, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

"I give McPhee a C for today."

That's fair.

And if they win a Cup then eveyone is going to say "Great trades!" ;)

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | March 3, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I like the moves GMGM made. Here's the lineup:

Ovi Baks Knuble
Flash Belanger Semin
Chimera Morrison Fehr
Bradley Steckl Laich

Reserves: Walker, Gordon

Poti Schultz
Green Morrisonn
Corvo Jurcina
Carlson Erskine

Reserve: Alzner

Gives us a stay-at-home defenseman paired with a puck-moving, offensive zone defenseman.

I like the moves because we now have plenty of depth to play deep into the playoffs and withstand the nagging injuries that wore us down last year.

The checking/PK line of Bradley, Steckl, Laich is re-united.

Plus, best of all, BB has plenty of mixing and matching he can do to drive the other coaches crazy!

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | March 3, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1 I am not sure what Corvo did to you but he is a player who is much better then Pothier and is one of the better players on Carolina. He has won a cup and has been a plus in almsot every season.

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he didn't do anything to me. I just don't like the way he plays hockey in his own end. Can it possibly be as simple as that ?

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 3, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

so with Juice out and our most glaring need as acknowledged by EVERYONE was a crease clearing punishing defensive presence, our esteemed GM landed us another puck moving dman whose most glaring deficiency is how he plays in his own end and offers nothing in the way of defensive grit.

Excellent job George. Way to fill the hole.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 3, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

@ cstanton1

Corvo works because if Green gets fat... I mean injured during this year's playoffs, he can be replaced.

Posted by: ablake70 | March 3, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

@icehammer - His faceoff % wasn't great, but the 2nd line isn't really there to win faceoffs in the defensive zone. That's why you put faceoff specialists on the 3rd and 4th lines. It could be an insurance move to make sure that in the post-season you don't wind up with him on the ice taking a faceoff after an icing. My concern is that if you don't have balanced scoring in the playoffs, you aren't going to win. And when they moved Flash to the 2nd line centre position, and BMo to the 3rd, the secondary and tertiary scoring was awesome. Morrison and Chimera's combined speed was great on that line and was the first time I saw either of them actually fitting into the team. When BMo has been on the 2nd line, production hasn't been as good and production from the 3rd line wasn't close to as good. We don't know how 3rd line production will be with Belanger. It should be good, but he might not mesh as well with Chimera as Morrison has. After a lot of line shuffling this season, BB finally found one that seemed to work on all 4 lines. There's a real danger that any moves you do up front will start to mess with the line chemistry they've had lately. You want to switch up line combos if things arne't working, but when things are working, that's when it's time to stop. It may work out really well, but if they put BMo back with Semin and they aren't putting up numbers (like they weren't earlier in the season), then what do you do? I'd say it would be move Flash back to 2nd line centre because it's worked great, put BMo back with Chimera on 3 because they are awesome together. It's not that I don't think Belanger is a really valuable player to have, because he can definitely help them in some areas. ut Boudreau's almost got too many players to start switching around. Sometimes having too many options isn't good. And if you've found one that's working for you it's often best not to mess with it. That being said, if they are worried about defensive play, having a player like Belanger to use even just as a shutdown player in your lineup can be a good asset. He's a lot more than just a shutdown guy but even just for his shutdown and PK role it's a good pickup.

Posted by: Stu_c | March 3, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I just have a question. What if the Caps go into the postseason and many of the same defensive issues that have plagued them for the last few yrs show up (again) in the postseason and lead to a premature exit?

how will you guys feel then ? I'm referring to the ones who seem pretty happy with the way McPhee addressed this team's needs.

I think, anything less than going past the 2nd round would and should be considered a failure. I don't expect this team to win the Cup this year. So its not Cup or Bust for me. But getting past the 2nd round should be considered successful. I think there's an outside chance depending on who we play in the 1st, that we get bounced in the 1st. I think there's little chance of us going past the 2nd.

And frankly if you read between the lines, it looks like McPhee got Corvo at the end out of a desperation move because other things fell thru. I doubt very much the Caps targeted Corvo as their top trade acquisition (regardless of what rhetoric they spew). And thats one of the reasons McPhee overpaid. Time was running out, the Caps as usual are lining up deals with no time to spare.

And when he figured things weren't going well at the end he grabbed up Jurcina despite his injury status. Juice may never play a game for us before leaving as a free agent.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 3, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

@ cstanton1

Corvo works because if Green gets fat... I mean injured during this year's playoffs, he can be replaced.

Posted by: ablake70 | March 3, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

haha! ok, i guess McPhee is a genius then :)

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 3, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I, along with others, felt the biggest need was a defenseman who was better at clearing the zone because of all the problems the Caps had dealt with last year during the playoffs. Corvo helps out there as he will help the D exit the zone with greater ease.

The other main need was a defensive center who can win faceoffs and kill penalties. I think that is exactly what Belanger is.

Could GMGM have got more? Maybe, I don't know what was available. But he did improve the team in some areas of need.

Posted by: sgm3 | March 3, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Corvo was arrested in November 2002 in Boston after he grabbed a 34-year-old woman's buttocks in a restaurant. Restaurant staff told him to leave, but Corvo returned, punched the woman and then kicked her when she fell to the ground, police said. Corvo was given a three-year suspended sentence after he pleaded guilty to assault. Corvo was also suspended for three games by the Kings

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damn, he's pretty tough! I mean what kinda woman won't let a random guy grab her butt? I guess Joe showed her.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 3, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

Adding one top D man would probably not solve our D issues anyway...we got Corvo who is better than Pothier, and defensively sound center, and possible Juice back (if healthy) who I think it WAY more responsible than ShoaMo. Would I have died of happiness if we got Volchenkov...YES, but it didn't happen and there wasn't a lot available.

I also think BB has the ability to get the team we have playing better D...we went a LONG time without a good practice. No guarantees, but I think or guys can bring it when they are sytems focused.

Posted by: capscoach | March 3, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

We'd better hope Corvo is 7 years more mature, not just 7 years older, than he was then. Seems like a skill improvement but a character deficit compared to Pothier.

Posted by: yosemite_sam | March 3, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

OK, and this is the last time I say anything about this, Tom Awad's GVT rating, which is another stat that attempts to measure overall hockey value, says Pothier is having a better season than Corvo:

http://www.behindthenethockey.com/2010/1/7/1238492/tom-awads-gvt-now-on-behindthenet

GVT is a stat so complicated I won't even begin to explain it. But amongst NHL defensemen so far this season with 30 or more games played, Pothier's GVT is 3 and he is #105, while Corvo's is only 2, which makes him only #131.

Of course, if you believe the GVT ratings, then Mike Green is the second most valuable defenseman this year, and that can't be true. He didn't even play in the Olympics! (Joke.)

I have no idea which of these four kinds of stats is better than the others (behindthenet rating, Corsi rating, relative Corsi rating, and GVT), but I do know Corsi is one of the top defensemen and much better than Pothier for three of them, at least this year, while both are way down the list for the other.

I trust GMGM a lot, and my eyes tell me Corvo is the better player.

I'm excited about having Corvo and Belanger.

Let's go Caps!

Posted by: youaresquishy | March 3, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

looks like a pretty good day for the Caps and we'll see how these guys are after a few games...

all they needed was some fine tuning on defense and they did that... it's up to BB now to make them all work as a team

Posted by: joek443 | March 3, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I, along with others, felt the biggest need was a defenseman who was better at clearing the zone because of all the problems the Caps had dealt with last year during the playoffs. Corvo helps out there as he will help the D exit the zone with greater ease.
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this is the biggest myth that gets propagated over and over and over again. For one, in order to have a Corvo type clear the zone "with ease", he needs to first deal with forechecking. Joe Corvo has a hard time dealing with forechecking. He usually loses the puck. In the playoffs, that problem is amplified because the forechecking pressure is so heavy. In order to deal with that, you have to be strong along the boards, fight off checks, and then clear the puck and hope your forwards can get it out the rest of the way. This notion of just needing a smooth skating defenseman who can pick up the puck and skate out with it is predicated on a weak forecheck. And weak forechecks exit stage left when the playoffs start. Everyone's looking to dump, chase, hit. The Pens who aren't traditionally a dump and chase team had incredible success with that simple maneuver last yr against us. They made life hell and kept us pinning with a simple dump and chase forecheck. The only line who didn't do that against us was Malkin's line. They were fast enough to cut into our zone at will.

So how is adding a Joe Corvo type an improvement over what we had last year?

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 3, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I don't know, I'm not buying all the hype around GMGM today. Seidenberg was the best d-man moved, with Visnovsky a close 2nd. Both skate much better than Korvo. I fail to see how this helps against strong attacking teams. Is Jurcina really the answer to Malkin?

Also, Poni has the biggest upside of anybody. Don't buy into the character assination coming out of TO - almost every non-Ontario born Maple Leaf gets killed in Leaf-Nation, sooner or later. He wasn't exactly playing with the likes of Ovie, Nicky or Semin up there [or Malkin or Crosby, for that matter].

Posted by: govtimbo | March 3, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

damn, he's pretty tough! I mean what kinda woman won't let a random guy grab her butt? I guess Joe showed her.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 3, 2010 5:35 PM |

To be fair- it was 8 years ago. I don't condone it, but I know I'm certainly a muuuuuch different person than I was at age 23. Well actually, I'm still ugly and poor. Maybe not that much different I guess.

Posted by: Fro_ | March 3, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I also like the idea of D pairings with one mobile defenseman paired with a more of a stay at home defenseman. (BB never had trust in Pothier). Corvo is also another right handed defenseman (I know Potheir was but again BB never had trust in him) which adds a 2nd right handed D-man to the team.

Schultz/Green
Morrisonn/Corvo
Alzner(or Jurcina)/Poti

Erskine and (Alzner or Jurcina) scrath
Carlson could also be a possibility if he played more.

Posted by: sgm3 | March 3, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

TEB's twitter: Joe Corvo might play with Tom Poti; Eric Belanger might center Eric Fehr and Tomas Fleischmann. Bruce Boudreau's mind is racing.

Also Stu_c you can't have your 3rd and 4th line centers take every D-zone faceoff or your second line will never get on the ice. The Caps can now have The line mentioned above as a third line with BMo, Semin, and Laich on the second line. That sounds like three strong lines to me. Also we will then have Bradley, Chimira and Stecks on the 4th line. How many teams have 2 guys who are going to have 10+ goals on their 4th line?

Posted by: icehammer97 | March 3, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

If you'd asked me last year, I woulda said that Corvo is no worse nor better than Pothier. They were two peas in a pod, their stature, their style of play.

This year, Pothier has elevated his defensive game. He's also been more aggressive stepping up in the neutral zone. So respectfully, I don't concede that Corvo is better than Pothier. At least not defensively.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 3, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

While these were not blockbuster trades McPhee did an excellent job filling holes! I have been tough on McPhee over the years at the trade deadline. This year I would give him an A.

He brought in a gritty four corner battler in Walker.

Brought back a big physical presence on the blue line in Juice.

Brought in Corvo who can make a big impact on the PP and can also muck it up in his crease.

Belanger, well not so sure about this one. It certainly sends a message to the other centers to turn it up a notch or get out of dodge.

Three out of the four additions are gritty playoff type players and I believe excellent moves for the price(s). If they can gel with the team and play to their potetnial winning the Cup will come down to our goalie.

Posted by: FLDave | March 3, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

To be fair- it was 8 years ago. I don't condone it, but I know I'm certainly a muuuuuch different person than I was at age 23. Well actually, I'm still ugly and poor. Maybe not that much different I guess.

Posted by: Fro_ | March 3, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse


I'm different too. But I never woulda punched a woman in the face. Thats not a maturity thing, that's a character thing.

but whatever, it has little if anything to do with his on-ice play. Which I am not a fan of independent of the fact he sounds like a total d!ckhd

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 3, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

While these were not blockbuster trades McPhee did an excellent job filling holes! I have been tough on McPhee over the years at the trade deadline. This year I would give him an A.

He brought in a gritty four corner battler in Walker.

Brought back a big physical presence on the blue line in Juice.

Brought in Corvo who can make a big impact on the PP and can also muck it up in his crease.

Belanger, well not so sure about this one. It certainly sends a message to the other centers to turn it up a notch or get out of dodge.

Three out of the four additions are gritty playoff type players and I believe excellent moves for the price(s). If they can gel with the team and play to their potetnial winning the Cup will come down to our goalie.

Posted by: FLDave | March 3, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Belanger's grittier than Corvo is.

Juice may never play a shift for us, he's out 4-6 weeks with a hernia

Walker is not guaranteed a roster spot with 13-14 forwards to choose from.

So, lets revise that A.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 3, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Don't be fooled by the number of players involved in the Caps' trades today. It was a lot of sound and fury signifying modest changes. They only gave away one prospect, one active roster player and one second round pick for some roster tweaks. Player for player, position for position, I see it as an overall improvement, the value of which will only truly be determined by playoff success.

They didn't get the big time stay-at-home d-man we thought they should get. We'll never know if they tried and couldn't make it work or they just felt that the team would improve defensively through the play of their forwards rather than by upgrading their defensive personnel.

The only big disappointment was that Crosby wasn't traded to Edmonton. I was really hoping for that.

I hope they can focus on beating the Sabres tonight.

Posted by: AleksanderOMunchkin | March 3, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

if Corvo punches Crosby in the face next month, will that make y'all feel better about him? sure will for me

Posted by: joek443 | March 3, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

awrite im outtie, at least I won't have to watch Corvo play for long!

Corvo-Poti huh. God help us all.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 3, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

I said "greater ease" not "ease" there is a difference.

Yes, a defenseman has to deal with a forecheck, but I wasn't saying Corvo will skate the puck out but he won't be clearing the zone by just throwing it up the boards. That is how Pittsburgh caused so many turnovers, they had guys on the boards who took those pucks.

Having a D man who is capable of making solid passes out of the zone to the forwards instead of panicking and throwing it along the boards is very important.

So yes, skilled defenseman are very important for that reason.

Another skill is the ability of the defenseman to get the puck quick from the boards after it was dumped and make a quick pass to a forward or the other defenseman right before getting hit. The big defenseman last year struggled to do this.

hat is the best way to deal with a forecheck.

Posted by: sgm3 | March 3, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse


Felony assault? Great character addition. On second thoughts, maybe she deserved it (NOT).

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | March 3, 2010 4:50 PM |

C'mon- I'd have to read the police report before I could make that kind of judgment.

Posted by: Fro_ | March 3, 2010 5:02 PM

I believe the post said he pleaded guilty to the charges.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | March 3, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

if Corvo punches Crosby in the face next month, will that make y'all feel better about him? sure will for me

Posted by: joek443 | March 3, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Corvo doesn't punch anyone unless its a woman, so give me a more realistic scenario. Maybe he'll slap Crosby and they can both engage in a tickle panty fight

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 3, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Well NHL channel picked three of Washngtons aquisitions in the top 4 trades. I am willing to give Corvo a chance

Lets not forget when comparing Pothier and Corvo that Corvo played for basically the worst team.

Posted by: capscoach | March 3, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton

I was about to complain about how annoyingly pessimistic you are..until I read: "Maybe he'll slap Crosby and they can both engage in a tickle panty fight." Then I smiled and decided to let it go. :)

Posted by: apollak8 | March 3, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Corvo was kind of a rich buy. The other's effectively didn't cost much at all.

The result is that team defense improved, however the blue liners quality remained roughly the same.

I don't know if it was enough of a defensive improvement to bring The Cup to DC or not. Time will tell.

Posted by: Greg S. | March 3, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Yes, a defenseman has to deal with a forecheck, but I wasn't saying Corvo will skate the puck out but he won't be clearing the zone by just throwing it up the boards. That is how Pittsburgh caused so many turnovers, they had guys on the boards who took those pucks.

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if you watch most good defensive teams, they don't clear the puck up the middle of the ice, they clear it along the boards and their forwards then interfere and get the puck out. You're talking more about a lead pass or breakout pass. I'm talking about when you're getting pounded in your own into the boards and having to fight for the puck, you can't simply make a tape to tape pass to a streaking forward. You have to make the simple play and chip it out.

The reason the Pens intercepted many passes was everything from guys like Poti just whiffing on too many passes, Mike Green trying to avoid getting hit into the boards and trying to pull the puck back to himself and coughing it up in the process. And more to your point, when our D did chip it up the boards, our forwards didn't work hard enough (esp our top 2 lines) to help get that puck out the rest of the way.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 3, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton

I was about to complain about how annoyingly pessimistic you are..until I read: "Maybe he'll slap Crosby and they can both engage in a tickle panty fight." Then I smiled and decided to let it go. :)

Posted by: apollak8 | March 3, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

thx, i can always use a favor like that around these parts, haha

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 3, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I think that Corvo cannot be fully judged until we see how we functions in BB's system and how he gels with the other guys on the ice. All of this anxiety over the quality of the trade is pure speculation at this point and truly worthless

Posted by: apollak8 | March 3, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Green-Schultz
Corvo-Poti
Mo-Erskine


Does this look like a Cup winning defense?

by the way, i do think our forwards improved simply because Belanger will take ice time away from BMo and I think Steckel will be used more once the playoffs start because Bruce relies heavily on guys like Steckel and Brads to set a tone. And I hope Scott Walker gets to pull a regular shift but I doubt it

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 3, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Poor grammar in my last post, but what I'm trying to say is that Corvo's never had the chance to play with an Ovechkin, Backstrom or Semin quality player, so you never know how playing with those guys will impact his game.

Posted by: apollak8 | March 3, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I think that Corvo cannot be fully judged until we see how we functions in BB's system and how he gels with the other guys on the ice. All of this anxiety over the quality of the trade is pure speculation at this point and truly worthless

Posted by: apollak8 | March 3, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

so far defensemen in Bruce's system really aren't asked to play defense so I think he'll fit right in without having to change up his game.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 3, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Poor grammar in my last post, but what I'm trying to say is that Corvo's never had the chance to play with an Ovechkin, Backstrom or Semin quality player, so you never know how playing with those guys will impact his game.

Posted by: apollak8 | March 3, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse


He'll probably be jumping up in the play a lot more often. That would be my honest best guess. Any offensive defenseman would lick their chops to be playing on the Caps. You get greenlighted to jump up in the play as often as possible and you have world class offensive talent to play with.

Do you win Cups plaing that kind of high risk defensive style? I don't think so because I've never seen it. Not even with the 2 obvious choices (Det/Pit)

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 3, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

I agree with most of what you said except that good defensive teams get rid of the puck along the boards. Watching the Olympics team Canada only cleared the zone along the boards when they had to, it usually was a few good passes as they moved up the ice.

There are clearly going to be multiple occassion when a team has to clear the puck along the boards but you want to minimize that because once it is along the boards it is basically 50/50 who will get the puck (obviously that is dependant on who is fighting for it, but generally). A tape to tape pass has a much less chance of being intercepted.

Also, Pittsburgh knew the Caps were trying to clear it along the boards and had forwards placed there. If the Caps become more of a threat to make tape to tape passes to clear the zone that will open up the boards when it is necessary.

Posted by: sgm3 | March 3, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Edmonton won with that sort of style

Posted by: sgm3 | March 3, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton

I get that you're exaggerating your point, but the fact of the matter is we do have defensemen who play solid d (not always on a nightly basis, but neither does any other team in the league). Erskine, Poti and especially Schultz (SERGEANT!) had a handful of really strong games recently, at least during the first ten or so games of our winning streak. I understand that you're just exercising your right as a fan to give your opinion and criticize as you see fit, but we have the most points in the league and lead the EC by an enormous 11 points with twenty games left on the schedule. Considering the performance of Caps teams of recent years past, aren't you pretty excited (in a positive way) about this team? It just seems like to me that they could be undefeated the whole season and you'd still be down on them.

I'm just trying to make you a happier and less disgruntled caps fan. :)

Posted by: apollak8 | March 3, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

so far defensemen in Bruce's system really aren't asked to play defense so I think he'll fit right in without having to change up his game.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 3, 2010 6:02 PM

To me, that's the bigger problem. There is not much emphasis on defense in BBs system. Fans alway whine about (insert player) not playing defense, but in BBs system the defense is offense and pray that your goalie makes all the saves. That what killed the team in the playoffs last year.

Posted by: ablake70 | March 3, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

@rb-freedom-for-all

great lines - really. Belanger centering Flash and Semin -excellent. BMo between Chimera and Fehr. I like...

I'm thinking one problem with out D last year was they were slow - they hit, but couldn't catch anyone to hit them. Corvo will give them quickness retrieving the puck, I think even a good defensive move for our needs. Now we have two quick D to go with the big lugs...

Posted by: RedLitYogi | March 3, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

The Scott Walker trade makes no sense at all. I don't like it.

I like the Belanger trade. Good face-off man, good defense. I like it.

I'm iffy on the Corvo deal, its a wait and see for me. And I like the Juice deal, although he was diagnosed with the hernia.

All in all I like the deals, except the Walker one. He's a Brads type player.

Posted by: digster1013 | March 3, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

All of these trades are great! We didn't give up any players who are contributing right night.. Bpot was avg at best, Corvo is a huge upgrade. Corvo is above avg D-man and is better than any current Cap. We gave up nothing for him..Osala sucks, and a 2nd round pick in 2011 which is a pick that will be towards the end of second round..how can anyone say the Caps could have done more. To do more we would have had to trade some core players and the team chemistry is too good to mess that up... I am sure the Caps looked into other guys but at the end of the day I think the Caps did the right thing. If you are dissapointed with what the Caps did than you have no clue about hockey and what is best for a team. Yes a shut down guy would be nice, but it would cost to much..Chemistry is huge, and we did nothing to mess that up GMGM has played this deadline great... Its really annoying how Caps fan complain about everything, when they should be cheering what GMGM did today.. Osala would never be in NHL with Caps Bpot wasn't going to be resigned anyways so all we gave away was a prospect who would have never made it with the Caps and Bpot has never been the same since injury..I could go on, but its pointless to argue with people who don't know enough about hockey to appreciate good moves when they see one!! GO CAPS, and it was a great day in Caps History!

Posted by: CapsBaby | March 3, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Edmonton won with that sort of style

Posted by: sgm3 | March 3, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Edmonton had a minimum of 4 if not 5 defensive defensemen on every Cup team thru their glory years and even later when they won another Cup in the late 80s.

Go look at their roster, this isn't my "opinion". This is fact. Edmonton won all 5 of their Cups with one main puckmoving defenseman and 5 defensive minded defensemen with varying degrees of grit and toughness.

Craig Muni
Kevin Lowe
Don Jackson
Randy Gregg
Steve Smith
Jeff Beukeboom
Marty McSorely (he played wing and D for Edm)
Charlie Huddy

All those guys above made up the core of Edmonton's defense at various points from 1980-1990 when Edm won 5 Cups. They're all defensive minded defensemen and most of them were tough as nails.

Paul Coffey was the lone offensive gunman on those Edm teams. So if you give me Mike Green and 5 defensive minded tough specialists, then perhaps you can compare Edm to the current Caps.

This does not at all correlates to the defensive lineup the Caps are currently fielding.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 3, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

If you dont understand the Scott Walker trade than you are a complete idiot..Sorry but you are...Man Caps fans are frustrating and bandwagon fans are worse....If you understand hockey and playoff hockey you will understand the Walker trade...

Posted by: CapsBaby | March 3, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Someone here said BB didn't place too much trust in Potsy... I thought the same thing, which is why I wasn't totally surprised about the trade. Not saying it was a good trade or that I'm happy, just that it wasn't a shocker. Think I'll let Corvo get a couple games in under BB's system before I form an opinion of his play.

I think Juice is back to offset the potential harm in chemistry from losing Potsy. Isn't this the same team that not too long ago commented on having a surplus of NHL-level defensemen? Whatever happened to that mentality?

Well, in any case Potsy was having a good year with the Caps, best of luck to him in Carolina.

Posted by: letsgocaps3 | March 3, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

What's the problem w/ Corvo getting a hand-full of a woman's buttocks? He saw the opportunity and took it. As far as the punch to the face and the kicking, no further comment at this time...

Posted by: randysbailin | March 3, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

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