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Report: Eric Belanger to sign with Capitals, possible trade in the works

Update
Just heard from Belanger's agent, Joe Tacopina, who said he can't confirm anything at this time about whether the free-agent center will be returning to Washington or not. More to come.

According to The Globe and Mail this afternoon, free-agent Eric Belanger will return to the Capitals once the team has completed another deal that is suspected to be a trade for a defenseman. More to come on this.

From James Mirtle:

According to multiple sources, free agent centre Eric Belanger has a one-year deal in waiting to return to the Washington Capitals. The contract is believed to be a slight raise over the $1.75-million he made last season, to $1.85-million.
What's interesting is that he has been told not to announce where he's going, leading to Belanger telling the French language newspaper Le Soleil on Wednesday that he is about to sign but can't say where due to the fact the team he's headed to is working on a trade.
Washington apparently does not want to announce they've signed Belanger in order to help first complete another deal, potentially to move out a forward and bring in a defenceman.
I'm told that one player the Caps are looking to trade is 26-year-old Tomas Fleishmann, who had 23 goals and 51 points in a bit of a breakout season last year and signed a one-year, $2.6-million deal this summer.

You can read the full story here.

By Katie Carrera  |  August 12, 2010; 1:06 PM ET
 
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Kaberle must be traded within 3 days, or his no trade kicks in again.

Do not be surprised if he is involved.

Posted by: underpants2 | August 12, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

belanger suck and i don't want him back in the least.

but at least if it gets Flash out of here it may be a good thing

AS LONG AS THE DMAN COMING BACK IN THE TRADE IS CLOSER TO A VOLCHENKOV TYPE INSTEAD OF A FRIGGIN CORVO

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Belanger is a good sign for 1 year as 3rd line center. Guy was good in the face-off circle and skates well. As for the possibility of a Flash trade, I am ecstatic. Get rid of the bum!!!

Posted by: doughless | August 12, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

btw Nice scoop Katie

" While Washington was rumoured interested in him in the past, Leafs GM Brian Burke said they are not one of the 10 teams that have enquired about Kaberle's availability.

"We are not in discussions with the Capitals about Tomas Kaberle," Burke said. "Not once."

i sure hope thats true. If they got Kaberle its going to be an even longer offseason on this msg board..i promise.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

I agree on Belanger, he didn't help us last year.

But lord knows, Flash needs to go.

Posted by: underpants2 | August 12, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Belanger is a good sign for 1 year as 3rd line center. Guy was good in the face-off circle and skates well. As for the possibility of a Flash trade, I am ecstatic. Get rid of the bum!!!
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you want a(nother) 3rd line center on this team who has no grit, be my guest.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

not to mention it creates another logjam on our bottom 2 lines which prevents some of the hershey role players from making the team.

no to belanger!

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton

He might not be as gritty as you like but Belange does play D and improves those players around him. So for a 3C that is good enough. The grit will come in the D-man.....the Sharks have been connected to Kaberle rumors. So maybe theyd be willing to deal Douglas Murray for Flash.

Posted by: ThePat | August 12, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

8 teeth gone and come back to play. i call that grit. but, i understand the point. maybe this rumored trade will help in the grit dept.

Posted by: doughless | August 12, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

kaberle can't clear the table much less the crease, he better be going to another team that actually needs him.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

nimrodrsp:

RE: where all the posters came from, some of us have been around for a very long time and hearken back to "the good ol' days" when there were only a hand-full of us here. We've just gone into hibernation because the blog got crazy after the Caps exploded!! :-)

Posted by: --Boo-- | August 12, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

If Kaberle comes to this team I will literally implode! He is the last type dman that we need, we already have a few that are just like him.....all finesse, no physicality.

Posted by: PhilR | August 12, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

i'll take D Murray!!

Posted by: doughless | August 12, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Chris Clark broke his palette and finished his shift. But he didn't play gritty hockey for his last 2 yrs. Nothing like he did for Calgary.

I'm not sayin Belanger doesn't have an incredibly high pain threshold. I broke 2 of my front teeth once and that was pretty painful, couldn't imagine 8.

But on the ice, he's not what I'd look for in a 3rd line center. Not unless you got him some big bruising wingers and then his grit factor isn't quite as big an issue where you couldn't look at the other things he does well and be happy.


"So maybe theyd be willing to deal Douglas Murray for Flash."

not that that would ever happen, but if Doug Murray became a Cap (esp for Flash), I wouldn't say anything bad about McPhee for 3 full months at least. Doug Murray would be at the top of my list for a dman. Over anyone else in hockey. Based on his age, salary, consistency.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

And it's good to hear from you again Boo, been a long time!

Posted by: PhilR | August 12, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Burke says the Caps aren't interested in Kaberle so it is probably moot, but why are so many people here down on Kaberle?

I know he isn't the big defensive defenseman everyone wants. But he is a clear cut top pairing defenseman as he was an All-Star in 2007, 2008, 2009 and is a very talented overall defenseman.

He would be a major upgrade as he would immediately become the best all-around defenseman on the Caps.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 12, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"If Kaberle comes to this team I will literally implode!"
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GM: "He was our top target. We identified him, and we got him"

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we'll trade for Jurchina again.

Posted by: underpants2 | August 12, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

i sure hope thats true. If they got Kaberle its going to be an even longer offseason on this msg board..i promise.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 1:22 PM


ITS DA BOOGEYMAN!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

I AM ON THE NEXT HYPERLINK TO JAPERS!!!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | August 12, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

just say no to Kaberle

Posted by: doughless | August 12, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I hear that McPhee is swinging two deals... one for Kaberle and another for Corvo.

Boudreau is going to deploy the first 4 forward/1 defenseman system in NHL history.

Posted by: tmac2yao | August 12, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

He might not be as gritty as you like but Belange does play D and improves those players around him. So for a 3C that is good enough. The grit will come in the D-man.....the Sharks have been connected to Kaberle rumors. So maybe theyd be willing to deal Douglas Murray for Flash.

Posted by: ThePat

Would love it Pat but don't see that happening.

Also, Mirtle said "one player" they are looking to trade is Flash. That doesn't mean he is the only player being discussed. How about Flash and Erskine traded for picks which frees up cap space to sign both Belanger and Mitchell?

Posted by: pkendrick | August 12, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Side note: In a Swedish exhibition game, Backstrom just assisted a seemingly healthy Forsberg on the 1-0 goal after just 18 seconds. Backs is bringing Foppa with him back to DC. I

Posted by: jakopz | August 12, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

i feel i've been on my best behavior for too long now. Kaberle will push me back over the edge. I've been doing finger exercises to help condition me for long bouts of angry typing.


@sgm - seriously, kaberle? don't you understand how certain players fit better into certain teams because of a specific need they have? if we had 4 rugged defensive dmen, then a kaberle type may be exactly what we need. But for us, its like corvo redux.
Kab's not a clear leader, he's never been a mentor type. With the young D that we have, it would be better for them to have a strong physical veteran who has strong leadership skills so they can follow him into battle. If you bring Kab here, you better dump Poti because they're the same kind of presence.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Say no to Kaberle.

I am in support of Belanger. Decent defense and great faceoff ability. I'd much rather have him at 1.85 than Flash at 2.6. At least with Belanger, more than anyone else in the organization at the end of the year, you can construct a defensive or "checking" line. And with Flash gone, Fehr can go on the #2 line where he belongs.

cstanton: Really, if you put Fehr and Semin on line #2 and you have say Laich, Belanger and AGordon on the checking line, that isn't so bad. Then you can put Chimera with Bradley and Steckel. Ideally though they move Chimera too and promote Pinner and Beagle to rotate on the 4th line. At least you must admit this is giving you some hope. Let's just pray we really get a top pair or near top pair D man out of all this. And NOT Kaberle.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 12, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

--Boo--:

hello Boo (at work?)

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 12, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

not that that would ever happen, but if Doug Murray became a Cap (esp for Flash), I wouldn't say anything bad about McPhee for 3 full months at least.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 1:36 PM

if GMGM never does anything else in his life.....
jk

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 12, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

If not Kaberle, any ideas of who else it could be??? I can understand this trade but I was really looking forward to seeing how much Flash could improve his overall game this year. However, I just didn't see him as our #2 center.

Posted by: dsphvywght | August 12, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Assuming they came at the same exact price, who would you prefer between Belanger and Halpern?

Feel free to use statistics but I'm more interested in hearing about skill sets and who fits our needs better.

I think they are similar players but I feel that Halpern is a little tougher and slightly more skilled, overall.

Halpern's about a year older but I think he would've been invigorated coming back to D.C.

Posted by: tmac2yao | August 12, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

cstanton: Really, if you put Fehr and Semin on line #2 and you have say Laich, Belanger and AGordon on the checking line, that isn't so bad. Then you can put Chimera with Bradley and Steckel. Ideally though they move Chimera too and promote Pinner and Beagle to rotate on the 4th line. At least you must admit this is giving you some hope. Let's just pray we really get a top pair or near top pair D man out of all this. And NOT Kaberle.
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where does king play?

and yes, i can sorta live with Laich, Belanger, AG on a checking line. That wouldn't be terrible. But Belanger tries to be a shifty player when his game needs to resemble Adam Burish more. Esp on the PK. Our "checking line" forwards hardly put any pressure on the pointmen on the PP. A big reason our PK sucks.

The 4th line should be Steck/Beags centering Brads/Pinner/DJK

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

In my perfect world, they trade Flash, Erskine and Chimera to free up 5.7 of space on top the 3.3 of space. This makes 9.0. You get to add three players. Belanger at 1.85 leaves just over $7M for the d man and the hopefully to be acquired #2 center. You can see it all fits with a full roster of 23:

Ovechkin (2008-2021) 9.538
Backstrom (2010-2020) 6.700
Semin (impending UFA) 6.000
2nd line center 3.500
Knuble (impending UFA) 2.800
Fehr (2010-2012) 2.200
Laich (impending UFA) 2.067
Belanger (impending UFA) 1.850
Steckel (2010-2013) 1.100
Bradley (impending UFA) 1.000
B. Gordon (impending UFA) 0.800
Perreault (impending RFA) 0.717
King (2010-2012) 0.638
A. Gordon 0.500
S/T 14 Forwards 39.410
Green (2008-2012) 5.250
Poti (impending UFA) 3.500
New #1D Man 3.500
Schultz (2010-2014) 2.750
Alzner (w/bonus; impending RFA) 1.675
Carlson (EL 2009-2012) 0.817
Sloan (2010-2012) 0.700
S/T 7 Defensemen 18.192
Varlamov (impending RFA) 0.822
Neuvirth (impending RFA) 0.822
S/T 2 Goalies 1.644
Total 23 Players 59.246
Cap Space 59.400
Available 0.154

Still hoping for Clutterbuck though.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 12, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

If Kaberle would come in and be the best all-around defenseman on the Caps then that clearly makes him an upgrade. Then is pushes down the rest of the order down a spot.

I'm not saying he is the ideal upgrade, but acquiring him would, unquestionably, be an upgrade on defense.

The guy is a 4 time All-Star, making the last 3 All-Star teams, and played in 3 Olympic games with the Czech Republic, winning a bronze medal.

Do any of the Caps defenders currently on the team have as an impressive of a resume? Not even close.

The guy is a very good hockey player. Adding players who are better than you current players upgrades the team.

At worst, you then bench one of the "soft" players who is not as good as Kaberle and play Kaberle. Hence, the toughness factor remains equal but the talent factor increase. Otherwise known as an upgrade.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 12, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Belanger played that "shifty" style until he came to the Caps last year. As far as I can remember watching Wild games he was strictly a defensive center who did not try and be flashy in any way. I think he tried to fit "the system" a little too much and that is why he got the "shifty" rep. I kind of like resigning him as 3C.....much better choice than Stecks or BGordo(puke) IMHO.

Posted by: PhilR | August 12, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

@tom

since realistically, Chimera is here to stay, that means more likely you'll see him and Belanger a lot on the same line. Do you really want that? I don't. If I had to i could live with only ONE of them, but not both. And Chimera is ill-suited for the 4th line as well. He'd be a helluva skater for our 4th line but thats about it. All the little things a reg 4th liner needs to do that is role-based is mutually exclusive from Chimera's game. Not to mention he'd get his clock cleaned if he tried to get mouthy on the ice with his 4th line counterparts on other teams.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

That is the whole point sgm3, there currently is NO toughness factor on this d corp....please, just say no to Kaberle!

Posted by: PhilR | August 12, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Rumor is Flash for Bieksa. That's fine with me. As for Kaberle he wasn't what we needed but he would immediately be our best all around D-man and would knock either Erskine or Sloan off the roster. But it's a moot point now.

Posted by: bukaki23 | August 12, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

At worst, you then bench one of the "soft" players who is not as good as Kaberle and play Kaberle. Hence, the toughness factor remains equal but the talent factor increase. Otherwise known as an upgrade.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 12, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

but those "soft" players are part of Bruce's regular rotation so they won't be getting benched. Again, Kaberle in a vacuum is a good player. But some teams need his type more than others. And I don't think that Schultz or Poti is getting benched for Kaberle. If our D corps had Carlson, Green, Doug Murray, Souray, Willie Mitchell then yes, I'd personally meet Kaberle at the airport and take him out for a night on the town and tuck him in later. And make him breakfast in the morning.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

excited to see what will happen, and now our 3C center problem is fixed :D

Posted by: arizonacardinalsfan1 | August 12, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Bieksa would be outstanding....and then go sign Willie Mitchell and we have a respectable D corp in my opinion.

Posted by: PhilR | August 12, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Rumor is Flash for Bieksa.
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only risk on Bieksa is he's banged up a lot. But he's an awesome intangibles kinda guy. Very hardnosed, very much a warrior on the ice, and he can play both ends which means on our team he'll get top 4 minutes. The only time I've ever seen him kinda intimidated was when the Hawks (eager and company) were taking shots at him and his goalie and he didn't respond with the kind of ferocity I was hoping to see. That bummed me out a bit. But I hope that was because he was still sorta injured.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Mitchell and Murrary I'm all for.

Please say no to Souray.

Just as the other 29 teams did when they could have got him for nothing in return.

The guy is grossly overpaid as was evident since no team claimed him on waivers.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 12, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know what Bieksa's current contract looks like??

Posted by: PhilR | August 12, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Bieksa would be outstanding....and then go sign Willie Mitchell and we have a respectable D corp in my opinion.

Posted by: PhilR | August 12, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

agreed, that would be a respectable D not only because of the actual personnel we'd have, but also because those 2 guys would make the rest of our D play better, with more urgency and desire. It'll be nice for guys like Green, Carlson, Alz, Sarge to have 2 strong veterans on D who actually know HOW to play D. And guys who've been thru the battles.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Our "checking line" forwards hardly put any pressure on the pointmen on the PP. A big reason our PK sucks.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 1:53 PM

I agree 100% and have said as much in the past.

Guess who's one of the biggest culprits?

None other than your boy, Steckel.

Not only does he lack the tenacity and fearlessness to apply said pressure and get in passing/shooting lanes but also the necessary athleticism.

After the face-off, his general slowness, inability to change directions quickly, inability to clear pucks efficiently, inability to win board battles with any consistency and unwillingness to mix it up to any signficant degree make him an utter liability.

I understand that face-offs are crucial but that simply isn't enough to justify being a PKer or an NHL player for that matter.

I know you like Steckel, as do many others, but I consider him to be an AHLer that has found himself in the right spot to extend his career.

I could be wrong but if I don't see some serious improvement in him this season, I really hope they look elsewhere to fill his role.

Posted by: tmac2yao | August 12, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

ESPN is saying that the Flames are in the process of trading Steffan Kornwall back East.

Question is, would any news be more disappointing than the Caps re-acquiring Kornwall?

No room here for Kaberle.

Big trade! Come on Georgie! Show the rest of the league that we are not screwing around next year.

Also, I am for a 1 year deal with Forsberg. Incentive laden, with a focus on "games played".

Posted by: underpants2 | August 12, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

This was from an article a few days ago about what the Devils should do in the Kovy situation(he recommended not signing him). This was about the Devils D.

"With Martin gone, I think those changes leave the Devils only marginally better (if at all) on the blue line. Volchenkov, a tough competitor who lives to block shots, isn't a puck-mover. In the post-lockout NHL, where you need more speed/skill on defense, I think you pay for puck-movers, not stay-at-home types. The Devils gave the 28-year-old Volchenkov a six-year deal worth more than $25 million."

Posted by: sgm3 | August 12, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Mitchell and Murrary I'm all for.

Please say no to Souray.

Just as the other 29 teams did when they could have got him for nothing in return.

The guy is grossly overpaid as was evident since no team claimed him on waivers.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 12, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

money aside, I'll take Souray over many of the other stiffs we've acquired on D via trade or FA. He brings a presence this team hasn't had since Tinordi. If we added 2 other veteran defensive dmen then Souray becomes just a luxury of course. And in the real world we're not paying his salary if we already have other dmen that fit the bill. But just saying, I wouldn't turn him down if money wasn't the factor.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Green/Schultz
Carlson/Poti
Bieksa/Mitchell

Alzner as 7th D

That looks good to me.....and I'm not syaing that Bieksa/Mtchell would be the 3rd line pair, just in general that would be a good D corp.

Posted by: PhilR | August 12, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Bieksa is at 3.75/yr

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

scratch that - Bieksa is getting paid 3.5 for this coming season, then his contract expires.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

One other thing:

How do we know Flash is going to be traded for a defenseman? From the article I only read it as sort of a guess since the Caps need another defenseman.

I didn't take it that Mirtle has information pointing to Flash being traded for a D-man.

I still think a 2nd line center is a possibility also. We will see.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 12, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

ESPN is saying that the Flames are in the process of trading Steffan Kornwall back East.

Question is, would any news be more disappointing than the Caps re-acquiring Kornwall?
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kronwall actually wanted to go back to Sweden but then he told the Flames he'd accept a trade to a northeastern US team so his family wouldn't have as far to travel if they wanted to visit him.

and ftr, I'd take Kronwall on my team as a 3rd pairing dman. The only bummer would be having to give up anything to get him since we already had him and let him go for free.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

3.5 is not bad for that vet leadership...hey nostratom, how much do you think a team would have to pay to snag Mitchell??

Posted by: PhilR | August 12, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

ESPN is saying that the Flames are in the process of trading Steffan Kornwall back East.

Question is, would any news be more disappointing than the Caps re-acquiring Kornwall?

Kronwall and who would be the question. Flash and Ersk/Sloan to the Flames for Kronwall and another D or 2C?? Haven't had a chance to examine the Flames roster but could that be a possibility?

Posted by: PhilR | August 12, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

The Flames just signed Craig Conroy so maybe they have a logjam at center with Jokinen, Stajan, Conroy, Langkow, Sutter and Backlund

Backlund can play wing but still, thats 4 or 5 centers competing for the top 3 lines.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Regehr? Flash for Regehr would be tremendous.

Also, don't the Islanders need players?

Posted by: underpants2 | August 12, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Flash and Ersk/Sloan
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I don't think the Flames really need Erskine either. They have to play Matt Pelech this yr with the big club or risk losing him to waivers (he'll be snatched up in 2 seconds flat). They've got a full roster on D and they don't need an Erskine because they have younger cheaper (better) versions of him. They also have Keith Seabrook (ex Caps 2nd rounder) who may be in the mix as well.

Giordano
Bouwmeester
White
Regehr
Pardy
Pelech

And I don't know if Sarich and Steve Staios are still around also. That's 8 players plus maybe Seabrook.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Hello Phil and Kirk! :-) Hope all has been well with you! I lurk from time to time, just to see what's happening with the circus, but tend to keep my comments offline these days!! ;-) (BTW, Kirk - you've got one heck of a memory - lol!!)

Posted by: --Boo-- | August 12, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Flash is still here guys. We traded Chimera and a pick to Vancouver for Bieska apparently.

Posted by: ThePat | August 12, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Bieksa for Chimera.

Yikes?

Posted by: Jordan_Kitts | August 12, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Mitchell can go for pretty cheap, maybe $2M with incentives.

Unlike most UFAs Mitchell can be signed to a deal with incentives that do not count against this year's cap(like EL contracts) because Mitchell spent over 100 days on LTIR.

So you could get him at a base of $1.5M or so and any number of incentives based on games played(or whatever).

Posted by: sgm3 | August 12, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Actually that might be bad information so dont believe it yet.

Posted by: ThePat | August 12, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Just kicking ideas around.....maybe Flash/Chimera to the Flames......ok, I know I'm going into fantasy land there but getting say a Regehr or Staios back would be a good thing.....and yes cstanton, Staios is still listed on their roster.

Posted by: PhilR | August 12, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Where did you read that Pat??

Posted by: PhilR | August 12, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Bad source on twitter...so most likely forget it.

Posted by: ThePat | August 12, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

staios sucks now, i wouldn't touch him. If he was a secondary or third level acquisition for the D it'd be ok because he does play with some grit and he's got a good rep for leadership But he's not anywhere near as effective as he used to be. Another forward converted dman iirc. Started as a 4th line banger for the Bruins and then converted to D sometime later.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

i don't know much about bieksa, but sounds like a guy that GMGM might have interest in

Posted by: doughless | August 12, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

twitter? criminy man!

I'd accept a trade for Bieksa for Chimera. Then accept another trade for Flash and Schultz for Giordano.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

i don't know much about bieksa,
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he's a poor man's version of Brent Seabrook. And that's not a slam at all. Only thing holding back Bieksa is multiple injuries. His body seemingly can't play the style his mind wants him to.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Bieksa is actually who I am hoping for as it may have a positive affect on where Mitchell signs since they have been D partners in the past.

And please god let it be both Flash and Chimera leaving, that would leave a spot for the youngsters to move into.

Posted by: PhilR | August 12, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

And please god let it be both Flash and Chimera leaving

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stuff like that only happens in dreams and movies dude. Don't let yourself get carried away :)

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

seems like several of his injuries were dumb luck. looks like he would be a good add to the caps. get it done.

Posted by: doughless | August 12, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I do think that Schultz is in PRIME sell high mode.

I don't know how other teams view him but this may be the point in his career where you can get the most for him, whatever that may be.

To get a feel for the caliber of our defense, imagine sending out top line out against Schultz and Green in the playoffs.

Imagine Schultz and Green trying to shut down Ovechkin and Backstrom.

It's amazing that we've accomplished as much as we have, even if it's just regular season success, with this defensive corps.

I think Green is a special player and a keeper but you want to pair him up with an elite, gritty, lockdown, stay-at-home type to not only get the most out of his game but also foster his defensive skills.

Posted by: tmac2yao | August 12, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Don't believe the Bieska rumor...not saying it won't happen but it came from someone that just spreads rumors but not Eklund.

Posted by: ThePat | August 12, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Don't believe the Bieska rumor...not saying it won't happen but it came from someone that just spreads rumors but not Eklund.

Posted by: ThePat | August 12, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

in that case....Semin for Bobby Ryan! get it done!

Posted by: doughless | August 12, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Imagine Schultz and Green trying to shut down Ovechkin and Backstrom.
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if Schultz developed a mean streak and didn't mind being the "bad guy" here and there, he'd be a lot more effective in playoff type games. But he lacks that attitude you need to play that way. Some players relish getting under the skin of opposing stars and getting them off their game (i.e. Pronger, Regehr)

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

C'mon, cstanton, let us dream!

Phil: Mitchell made like 3.25 last year. I think due to lack of games played he can sign an incentivized deal. I don't know how that works later, but my guess is if you go over the cap with the bonuses, you get a deduction next year.

I myself would happily move Flash, Chimera and Erskine to get back Bieksa if it also meant signing Mitchell. I'd even accept MP as #2C in that scenario with plan to upgrade at deadline. Then you can also fit AGordo and Pinner or Beagle.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 12, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"can't clear the table..."

That is a priceless line.

Holding my breath on all of this.

Posted by: saintex | August 12, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I myself would happily move Flash, Chimera and Erskine to get back Bieksa if it also meant signing Mitchell. I'd even accept MP as #2C in that scenario with plan to upgrade at deadline. Then you can also fit AGordo and Pinner or Beagle.
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that would mean adding 5 or 6 new players to the lineup if you include King and whoever we get via trade. The last team who won the Pres trophy and did that? The Sharks!

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I myself would happily move Flash, Chimera and Erskine to get back Bieksa if it also meant signing Mitchell. I'd even accept MP as #2C in that scenario with plan to upgrade at deadline. Then you can also fit AGordo and Pinner or Beagle.

Can we also throw BGordo in that package??!!

Posted by: PhilR | August 12, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

if Schultz developed a mean streak and didn't mind being the "bad guy" here and there, he'd be a lot more effective in playoff type games. But he lacks that attitude you need to play that way. Some players relish getting under the skin of opposing stars and getting them off their game (i.e. Pronger, Regehr)

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 3:00 PM

Not like anybody needs to convince you but that "if" scenario is the equivalent of saying...

"If Steckel developed soft hands, he could easily put up 20 goals and 50 assists with more ice time."

Posted by: tmac2yao | August 12, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Not like anybody needs to convince you but that "if" scenario is the equivalent of saying...

"If Steckel developed soft hands, he could easily put up 20 goals and 50 assists with more ice time."

lol, well ok. How bout, if Schultz was encouraged to at least get to Hal Gill's mediocre level of grit he'd be a much more effective player. He'll never be Chara, but Gill is reachable. Well maybe not, I just flashed to an image of a young Hal Gill instigating a fight with Chara to protect a teammate, getting his head opened up from some jackhammer rights, and still standing in there valiantly. I can't see #55 do that.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I love this talk about NHL 94 on Genesis when I could trade every scrub on my team for every 90+ rated player ... this is what we are talking about with packaging Flash, Gordo, Erks, Chimera, Verizon Center vendors with rat poop

Posted by: flee001 | August 12, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Getting a defenseman for Flash would be awesome!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | August 12, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Lets not carried away with the grass is always greener mentality.

Vancouver's D failed in the playoffs last year. They made some adjustments(signing Hamuis) and are looking to trade Bieska.

If Bieska is as good as some people on this board are saying/implying then why would the Canucks trade him?

Posted by: sgm3 | August 12, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

so arbitration or letting deals get close to arbiration is the kiss of death if you want to be on this team huh.. Seems like a pattern...

Posted by: kmr2r | August 12, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

The Canucks are currently $2M over the salary cap so they do need to shed some salary.

Posted by: ThePat | August 12, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Even though there are absolutely no rumors about this guy getting traded to anyone much less the Caps, I'm going to throw a name out just because he is a pending UFA and I like him.

Chris Phillips

Here is a list of pending UFAs who play defense. A pretty good list.

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/freeagents.php?team=none&pos=D&summer=2011&status=none&type=none

Posted by: sgm3 | August 12, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

If Bieska is as good as some people on this board are saying/implying then why would the Canucks trade him?
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are you commenting on a player that you're not familiar with? go figure. Do you think only bad players get put on the trading block?

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

flip side

if no one on this board (who has seen him play) is correct about Bieksa, why are some teams looking to acquire him?

gretzky got traded..twice.

btw sgm, its pretty insulting when you imply that the fans on this blog who have actually seen Bieksa play are incorrect in their evaluation and the only reason you give is that "why would Vanc look to trade him if he's good"

absurd

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat

True about the cap.

I guess I meant to say was why do they want to trade Bieska instead of another high priced D-man on their team (Erhoff and Salo) and why did they get Ballard and Hamhuis to replace him.

Basically, I'm saying Vancouver has Bieska rated 5th when ranking those 5 D-men, if they decide to trade Bieska. Otherwise they wouldn't have acquired Ballard and Hamhuis or they would trade Salo(pre-injury) or Erhoff instead of Bieska.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 12, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to throw a name out just because he is a pending UFA and I like him.

Chris Phillips
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he must not be any good if the Sens are willing to let him go....

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

"so arbitration or letting deals get close to arbiration is the kiss of death if you want to be on this team huh.. Seems like a pattern..." - kmr2r

I think there is evidence to support your point. But one-dimensional yet inconsistent play probably doesn't help.

Posted by: zmega | August 12, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

that post is completely illogical about Vancouvers D. They acquired Hamhuis because hes a top NHL Dman. They acquired Ballard because they want to get better on a whole. They'd trade Bieska because he'd get more in return than the other two knuckleheads you name. They also lost Willie Mitchell. If Bieska is their hes one of the top 3 guys and getting 20 plus minutes a night.

Posted by: ThePat | August 12, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

I am pointing out the other side of the argument. Whenever someone disagrees with you you flip out and won't even consider the other side.

Guess what, I am bringing up a valid point. How about you just answer the context of it.

Also, I never said Bieska isn't any good or wouldn't be an upgrade to the Caps. But it does raise a question when a team, who needs to make a trade because of the cap, chooses one high prcied D-man over 5 others(I forgot Edler). Removing any of the other 5 would also answer the salary cap problem. So it is an important question to ask why the Canucks decided to get rid of Bieska instead of the ohers.

In answer to your Gretzky analogy, the Oliers traded Gretzky because the owner was in financial trouble and needed to make the trade.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 12, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

BieKsa.

Not BieSka.

Posted by: tmac2yao | August 12, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat

I'm just trying to raise reasonable questions to evaluate the entire situation. I don't know why people get so offended when questions are raised. If their side is unquestionably correct then all questions should be easily answered.

They acquired Hamhuis because the Canucks view him as better. Understandable.

They acquired Ballard because the Canucks view him as better. Understandable.

The Canucks will trade Bieska over Erhoff, Edler, and Salo because they think they will get a greater return. That is definitely a possible reason.

However, that usually means they believe the slip of losing Bieska instead of one of the other 3 will not be that great and will be made up in the acquisition of another player or picks.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 12, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I guess I meant to say was why do they want to trade Bieska instead of another high priced D-man on their team (Erhoff and Salo) and why did they get Ballard and Hamhuis to replace him.
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way better argument, i've been puzzled by that too but largely its

1- canucks got used to playing without him in the lineup thru his injuries
2- he makes good money and they need to shed salary

Talk to many Canuck fans and you'll find a lot of them would rather dump someone else than Bieksa. He's a great team player and a great draft pick for where he got selected

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

@tmac2yao

Thanks for the heads up. I apologize.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 12, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

In answer to your Gretzky analogy, the Oliers traded Gretzky because the owner was in financial trouble and needed to make the trade.
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why did the Kings trade Gretzky?

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

It wasn't just you. I had it wrong myself.

Was pointing it out for anybody who had it wrong.

Posted by: tmac2yao | August 12, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

"I don't know why people get so offended when questions are raised."

because you have a tendency to question or mischaracterize players you aren't familiar with.

But after you further explained yourself and your reasoning behind it, its less objectionable.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I believe ThePat answered your question adequetly sgm3....plus the fact that the Caps are rumored to be at the top of Mitchell's list of teams to go to why would the Caps not inquire if his old defensive pairing may be available for the right price knowing that Vancouver is over teh cap?

Posted by: PhilR | August 12, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Bieksa was actually close to being traded right before Luc Bourdon got killed. The Canucks were trying to trade a marketable player like Bieksa to address what they considered was a lack of power forwards on their top 2 lines. They attempted to then address it by signing Backes to an offer sheet after Bourdon died and they didn't want to then dangle Bieksa as trade bait.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Here's the take of one Canucks fan:

"We know it.

He knows it.

The safe bet is that Kevin Bieksa's career in Vancouver is over.

If cap realities were different, maybe he wouldn't be the sacrificial lamb. If it was possible to unload Salo or some of the pluggers off the books, Juice could be safe. If the problem was scoring or lack of firepower in the top six, different story. Such is life. Be thankful it's not Chicago's cap hell we're talking about."

http://www.nucksmisconduct.com/2010/7/16/1572808/the-where-will-kevin-bieksa-end-up

Posted by: tmac2yao | August 12, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

another reason Bieksa is now expendable again is the emergence of Shane O'Brien who started to get many more minutes last season.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

I do have to question you on you hockey watching. No matter what player gets mentioned, if he plays on any NHL team, AHL team, Canadian Junior team you claim to follow them closely and have more personal knowledge on the situation than anyone else.

That covers a whole lot of hockey games. Thousands a year. Many of these games are on simulatenously also. You would basically need to be recording all of these games and watching them constantly.

I have to admit that I'm very skeptical that you have the knowledge you claim to have.

However, I do not know, so I am not saying you do or do not. But the amount of hours needed to watch all the games you claim to watch does leave me highly skeptical of the claims you make. Especially since the internet and blogging is well known as a place for extreme exaggeration and/or outright lying.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 12, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

why can't all "offensive" dmen play with this much grit? check out the superman punch


http://ballhype.com/video/kevin-bieksa-superman-punch-on-mike-richards-canucks/

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I see the Doofus Brigade is in full military dress uniform, calling for Schultz to be ousted yet again for his "terrible" play.
You guys need to go back and take Hockey 101 with Locker and shut up

Posted by: jmurray019 | August 12, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Does everyone think there will be some sort of announcement today one way or the other or will this drag on for days?

Posted by: PhilR | August 12, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

does anyone know when individual game tickets go on sale?

Posted by: CAPSLOCKON | August 12, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

@tmac2yao

Interesting. Thanks.

@PhilR

I never said the Caps shouldn't enquire about Bieksa. I think it's fine.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 12, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

@PhilR

Something will happen between now and Saturday. Thats my bet, im leaning towards tomorrow afternoon.

Posted by: ThePat | August 12, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I see the Doofus Brigade is in full military dress uniform, calling for Schultz to be ousted yet again for his "terrible" play.
You guys need to go back and take Hockey 101 with Locker and shut up

Posted by: jmurray019


What the heck are you talking about????

Posted by: PhilR | August 12, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

i guess i've just been watching hockey a long time and i get hyperfocused (that's part of being adhd) on anything that I have interest in. So I watch as many clips and game tapes that I can get my hands on (when I'm in the mood). You don't need to watch full games in order to get a good grasp on a player. And you don't need to watch EVERY game to get a good grasp on things either. Just a large enough sampling. So you can question me all you like, doesn't bother me one bit.

now if i had your little flux capacitor stat machine, I wouldn't have to watch ANY hockey and I'd still know everything!

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I didn't know Locker didn't like Schultz. Excellent!

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

PhilR -

I have a feeling that an announcement will be made by tomorrow afternoon.

Posted by: j3rockstar | August 12, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Especially since the internet and blogging is well known as a place for extreme exaggeration and/or outright lying.

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that's for sure. I keep thinking we're about to acquire Clutterbuck.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Cal Clutterbuck -greatest hockey name ever!

Posted by: j3rockstar | August 12, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Hope you all are right and this doesn't drag on, I really hope Flash gets his one way ticket out of town.....sorry, but 2.6 on a one dimensional player is an absolute waste and I thought GMGM was crazy to sign him for that amount. But, if he can pull this one off I will take alot of my comments back cause if they can get Bieksa that would be a super deal!

Posted by: PhilR | August 12, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Warning: More Schultz bashing.

That Bieksa Superman punch was impressive but Schultz' Invisible Man punch is even better.

You'll never see it coming.

Okay, he got into that fight that one time... and threw a couple of grazing Talbot paw slaps.

Posted by: tmac2yao | August 12, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I see the Doofus Brigade is in full military dress uniform, calling for Schultz to be ousted yet again for his "terrible" play.
You guys need to go back and take Hockey 101 with Locker and shut up

Posted by: jmurray019


I think people are talking about Schultz's physical play, which, as we all know, is an embarrassment.

I see the kool-aid brigade has cup in hand.

Posted by: underpants2 | August 12, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Flash really isnt 1 dimensional. He can center or wing, plays on PP and PK well and is above average on defense. I would like to see him traded for a Dman because thats a need and Flash is probably worth more now later. He's peaked and isnt a 40 goal scorer. Do it!

Posted by: jmurray019 | August 12, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Cal Clutterbuck -greatest hockey name ever!
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oh i beg to differ....this yr we're going to hear about a certain Grant Clitsome. Those MN-Columbus games should be a dandy! Clutterbuck pops Clitsome !

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

What Flash have you been watching?? He certainly is a very below average center at best (has no faceoff ability and below average set-up ability) and plays little to no D at all. How often do you really see him back-checking to any degree whatsoever? At least you say you are for trading him for a dman but to say Flash is NOT one diminsional is absolutely comical to me.

Posted by: PhilR | August 12, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Flash is above average on defense? like when he gets pushed down off the faceoff and sits on the ice while the play goes the other way?

On most other teams he wouldn't be allowed to play the PK or in obvious defensive situations. His coach likes him, vouched for him, and gives him every opp to shine.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Flash doesn't even dress in the really big games. We, for same reason, gave him a huge raise. What kind of message does this send?

Other NHL teams are not scared of the Washington Capitals.

Flash for Bieksa, along with the addition of King, makes us a much tougher team.

Posted by: underpants2 | August 12, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Cal Clutterbuck -greatest hockey name ever!
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oh i beg to differ....this yr we're going to hear about a certain Grant Clitsome. Those MN-Columbus games should be a dandy! Clutterbuck pops Clitsome !

Well played sir......well played!

Posted by: j3rockstar | August 12, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Flash doesn't even dress in the really big games. We, for same reason, gave him a huge raise. What kind of message does this send?
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If Bruce likes ya, ka--ching! Not to bag on Tyler Sloan, but the only reason he got a crack at our roster was because BB is the head coach and Sloan was one of his favorites in Hershey. I said Sloan would get a shot at the NHL 2+ yrs ago when Bruce became coach. And sure enough, Sloan got a chance to crack the lineup the very next yr after BB took over. If Bruce had never been made coach, Sloan would never see the light of day in a Caps uni, he only flew above radar after BB got brought in.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

This is from a Joe Posnanski story today about statistics and using it to judge defensive play in baseball(Posnanski likes it).

Here's the article: http://joeposnanski.si.com/2010/08/11/dewan-and-defense/?eref=sihp

Here is a good quote:

"There are some people who rebel against the very idea of what John does. Their feeling seems to be that the game is there to be enjoyed, not studied. Their feeling seems to be that they don’t want numbers that contradict what their eyes tell them. Their feeling seems to be that if a number isn’t perfect (and no statistic is perfect) then it is flawed, and if the number is flawed then it can be wrong, and if it can be wrong… well, I’ll just stick with what I know, thank you very much.

And that’s fine… there are a lot of ways to enjoy baseball. One of those ways, though, is to try and get closer to what’s really happening out there. I may watch Chase Utley for three games, watch him closely, see him make an error and not get to a ball and think, “He’s not very good defensively.” And then I will go to John Dewan’s plus/minus and see that he is plus-17 this year, and has never been less than plus-14 in his entire career. And maybe this is just me, but I will believe the numbers over my own judgment."

Posted by: sgm3 | August 12, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

underpants2 - ever think that GMGM signed him before arbitration with the intent of trading him???

Give GMGM SOME credit here.

*Disclaimer* I don't dislike Flash but, wouldn't mind seeing him traded to add to the Caps blueline.

Posted by: j3rockstar | August 12, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Here is Vancouver cap:

They are 2.6M over, BUT -- that includes 9 defensemen. You can already deduct the 3.5 for Salo so, with 8 d-men, they are 900K under. Now trade Bieksa for Flash and they have 7 d-men (adequate) and they have another 1.1M in space as they still have some RFAs.

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=VAN

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 12, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

j3rockstar,

As I stated in an earlier post......if GMGM signed Flash to that huge amount knowing that he could trade him and gain a player like Bieksa then I will take back many of the negative comments I have made about him recently. At the time I thought it was a stupid signing but in hindsight it may turn out to be a very positive signing.

Posted by: PhilR | August 12, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Well I don't mean to rain on everyone's parade here but I'm not convinced it's Flash that's going. While I'm not in favor of it there has been many a time when Semin was rumored to be on the move.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 12, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Flash isnt a center, i didnt like him there last year and Coach Gabby flat out LIED when they moved him to center and Gabby said "I always thought he would make a good center."

I have wanted them to trade Flash for YEARS because I dont think he's all that great, although Boudreau does.

But Flash isn't one dimensional. A one dimensional player is a player who is only good at one thing. Flash is good at a few things. He plays solid on the PK, can pass and skate and score and can play multiple positions (although again I stress center isnt his strong suit).

Pull your heads out of your bums, guys. I don't like him and want him gone, and have felt that way for years. But he isnt terrible. If he's so one dimensional and sucks so bad, why are you expecting a GREAT DIFFERENCE MAKING D-MAN in return if indeed he is the one being traded?

He has trade value right now. Teams that need scoring will want him. Trade him. I'm with you on that.

Posted by: jmurray019 | August 12, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

"And maybe this is just me, but I will believe the numbers over my own judgment."

What you described is very different from what I'm talking about. If for ex I watch a few games of a player I'm not that familiar with and see him crashing the boards on every shift, getting into scrums, etc I can form a pretty good opinion on his playing style and personality and state with some confidence that he's probably not afraid to mix it up and grind it out. If I don't get to watch the other 50 games he plays that season, chances are my evaluation of that one aspect of his play is still pretty accurate. Its not common for a player to suddenly change that aspect of his playing style unless something catastrophic occurs (lobotomy by skate etc).

Its not the same as your example of a player making some isolated errors in a baseball game despite possibly still being a good defensive player overall. Apples and peaches dude.

As to #s vs observation - there's examples of defensive players in this league who may have a good +/- but who I would still not want on the ice in a late game defensive situation. That's where judgment trumps statistics.


Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Another thought, maybe NJ has to make a move to fit Kovalchuk.

Posted by: underpants2 | August 12, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Kronwall from the Flames

Posted by: lylewimbledon | August 12, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

While I'm not in favor of it there has been many a time when Semin was rumored to be on the move.
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oh geez, the warmth just spread to my special place.

Imagine the return we'd get for Semin? egads

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Bieksa would be outstanding....and then go sign Willie Mitchell and we have a respectable D corp in my opinion.


Posted by: PhilR | August 12, 2010 2:05 PM

And then many others chime alomg the same lines...


Which is an awful lot like what I have been saying for WEEKS:

Flash + Pick to Vancouver for Bieksa and sign Mitchell from Free Agency.


It's plausible because Vancouver gets help they need up front and clears salary, not to mention a logjam of quality d-men.

Caps get two heavy hitters who have skated together for a while, to bolster their D-corps.

Everybody wins.

Now all of you stop stealing my ideas!!!!


OK, OK, I Confess...I only wanted the Caps to acquire Bieksa so that this blog would contain a new shorthand player name:

"BXA"

Posted by: Rhino40 | August 12, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

kronwall would be a good 2nd/3rd prize player. He's mobile, a big open ice hitter and he loves to step up in that neutral zone just outside the blueline. Something none of our other dmen really like to do.

He's a better sloan than sloan is.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

That wasn't my example it was Posnanski's. I was just quoting him.

Read the entire article. There is a good explanation about Derek Jeter and what happened with him and that sort of reasoning can be applied to all sports(hockey included).

Also, it's about using the right numbers (maybe CORSI rating or the PVR stat for hockey) not just one random statistic.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 12, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

come on now, I've been clamoring for Bieksa since the summer of 2008 when he was first made avail :)

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

But does the trading Flash for Bieska and then signing Mitchell fit under the salary Cap?

Posted by: jmurray019 | August 12, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

i have enough confidence from watching this sport for a long time that i feel i can get a good accurate feel using my eyes and not relying on stats. Even watching little things like body language on the ice you can glean a lot about a player's personality and character.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

jmurray: See above. I put the cap. To fit Belanger, Bieksa and Mitchell, you have to move off Flash, Erskine and Chimera.

current avail space = 3.3
Flash, Ersk, Chim = 5.7
potentially avail space = 9.0
Belanger = 1.85
Bieksa = 3.75
avail for Mitchell = 3.4

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 12, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

jmurray019

According to our local capologogist, tominsocal, it should fit if they wait until the trade deadline to get the 2C. I guess it is all a wait and see process but those two would undoubtedly revamp that d corp from all finesse to a mix of finesse and toughness. Plus bring a great vet presence to the mix.

Posted by: PhilR | August 12, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

tom,

that number for Mitchell includes all the incentives??

Posted by: PhilR | August 12, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

I'm just recommending reading the article. Do with it as you please.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 12, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Also Tom,

With Alzner being the 7th D what are the chances his bonus actually applies to the cap???

Posted by: PhilR | August 12, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

Here is the Jeter part of the story:

"If this is true for something as straightforward (and fundamentally flawed) as batting average, it has to be much truer for defensive statistics. For years, there essentially WERE no good defensive statistics, and there weren’t many great ideas for inventing good defensive statistics. And in that environment, you really could believe more or less anything you wanted to believe. And it was easy… whenever the numbers contradicted what you knew to be true, well, the numbers were easy to dismiss.

“Derek Jeter became the poster child for defensive statistics,” Dewan says. You already know this story. Derek Jeter looks like a good defender… there is little doubt about this. He looks athletic, he looks smooth, he makes that cool-looking jump throw from the hole, he has made a few memorable defensive plays that stand out in the mind. The sparse defensive statistics we had showed that he was always below league average in range factor. But range factor wasn’t compelling enough for most fans or writers or baseball people. He looked good.

Then, advanced defensive numbers came along.. and one after another they showed something extraordinary. It’s not that the numbers concluded that Derek Jeter was a touch overrated, that he was not quite great defensively. No. The numbers showed that he was a terrible defensive shortstop, maybe the worst in baseball, one of the worst in the HISTORY of baseball. Dewan’s numbers showed, for example, that in 2005 (when Jeter won his second Gold Glove) he was actually MINUS-THIRTY-FOUR on defense. By scrutinizing every play, John and his staff found that Jeter did not make plays on 18 balls to his right and 25 balls on his left, plays that average shortstops would have made (he was good that year, however, on balls hit in the air). He scored only slightly better in 2006 (another Gold Glove year) and was back to the same dreadful scoring in 2007.

So, when presented with data that so powerfully clashed with perception… many people chose the perceptions."

Posted by: sgm3 | August 12, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

sgm3,

You are absolutely sucking the life right out of me.

Posted by: PhilR | August 12, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Cstanton - I thought you could watch one 20 second video clip of a guy and "know everything you need to know about a guy"?

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 12, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

please God let it be Flash in the trade...pretty please

Posted by: Moose33 | August 12, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

PhilR: Yes, that number for Mitchell is full contract. The 3.3 in "current available space" also includes a fully paid out Alzner w/all bonuses. I don't know what Alzner's bonuses are so I don't what are chances of achieving them. It is logical to assume Mitch and Karl would not both get all, so that it why I put it right up to the 59.4 and didn't worry about being on the edge. You have a full, 23-player roster on all my spreadsheets and anything over that would likely be a LTIR replacement, and therefore cap free.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 12, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

#1 I'm glad we're getting our 3C taken care of. I'll also go on record as saying I think he'll have a good year and perform better than he did in the short stint he was here. I think he did ok but being here a little longer through camp and all will only help his play. Great faceoff and PK guy. Certainly could use him as a shutdown center in a defensive role.

#2 - I'm not convinced it's Flash going. He is a good player and can get a good player in return.

#3 - while I don't think it's Kaberle coming to DC he would still be an upgrade over 1/2 of our existing D so I'll take it.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 12, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone congratulated Katie on her new headshot? Niiisch!

I was getting a little tired of seeing Tarik's mug.

Posted by: Wiley_One1 | August 12, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Behind those innocent eyes and that innocent smile is a diehard Penguins/Crosby fan.

I still think it's worse for her. Imagine what it would be like to have to cover the Penguins as a diehard Caps fan.

Unlike Tarik, she'll have to be careful with her choice of words when criticizing the team.

In my opinion, she would have been better off never revealing her allegiances. Most writers in this day and age are covering teams that they aren't fans of but you rarely find out who they do support, which is the way it should be, generally speaking.

Posted by: tmac2yao | August 12, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Agree with your 3 points to varying degrees, pokerface, but particularly with regard to #1 about Belanger. Certainly would be sweet if Bieksa and/or Mitchell are also added to the Caps blueline corps.

Posted by: McKinley2 | August 12, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Since she's seen what a cottonball Crysby plays like, when she sees how a real man is supposed to play the game like OV, I'm sure she'll be rockin the red before too long! LOL!

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 12, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Check out the Cody Eakin on Caps.com: http://capitals.nhl.com/

He looks like a juiced up version of that kid from Harry Potter.

Posted by: tmac2yao | August 12, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

as long as sloan is gone. ill be happy :)

Posted by: samrosen8 | August 12, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

I think the Caps may get Kronvall from Calgary. Young and big defenseman. 6'3 210.. Belanger while not a sexy player is a good 3rd line center. Wins faceoff’s, and is solid on defense.. Sometimes the best signing isn’t the big name. We have plenty of those With a cap hit at close to 2 mil we wont be adding anyone with a large cap hit.. Flash get 700k more… I think Belanger will be a surprise to most people on that 3rd line.. He has speed and good vision..

Posted by: CapsBaby | August 12, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Ment to say trading Flash will only save about 750k of cap space, so I dont expect any big names with large cap hits in return for flash..

Posted by: CapsBaby | August 12, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Try for Regehr. Calgary is in desperate need of forwards. Bieksa would be really good to get but with Vancouver's injury problems I don't know if they can afford to get rid of him.

Posted by: Stu_c | August 12, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Since she's seen what a cottonball Crysby plays like, when she sees how a real man is supposed to play the game like OV, I'm sure she'll be rockin the red before too long! LOL!

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 12, 2010 6:32 PM

Well, she's apparently been around Caps country for awhile now and I don't think anything's changed.

Imagine what it'll be like to read her postgame commentary after we lose a game to the Penguins.

Even worse, if we lose another series to the Penguins.

She'll be trying to contain her excitement and we'll all know it... and we'll be bitter... boy, will be bitter... not at her really but you know how rationality goes out the window for the majority of us in those situations.

It would be one thing if she were a Coyotes fan or something but the Penguins... the freakin' Penguins of all teams?!? lol.. you gotta be kidding me. Seems like a bad joke.

You'd think that Tarik would use his weight around headquarters to avoid leaving us in the hands of the enemy. Hahaha...

Posted by: tmac2yao | August 12, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Regehr would be a great pick up for the Caps, but carries a cap hit of 4,020,000 for the next 3 seasons.. He has size and his only 30, this would put the Caps right up against the cap... I guess with Poti 3+ million coming off the books after this season it wouldn't hurt as much...

Posted by: CapsBaby | August 12, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Bieksa chokes in the playoffs we don't want him

Posted by: gocaps01 | August 12, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

GoCaps01 - don't tell that to Cstanton. He's seen at least a 20 second video of him and thinks the world of em.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 12, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

I think the Caps may get Kronvall from Calgary. Young and big defenseman. 6'3 210..

I think Belanger will be a surprise to most people on that 3rd line.. He has speed and good vision..

Posted by: CapsBaby | August 12, 2010 6:39 PM

You forgot to add that Alex Ovechkin is a 6'2 LW from Russia.

Posted by: tmac2yao | August 12, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Cstanton - I thought you could watch one 20 second video clip of a guy and "know everything you need to know about a guy"?
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did i say that pokehisface? Or did you dream that up while suckling your favorite GM?

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

#3 - while I don't think it's Kaberle coming to DC he would still be an upgrade over 1/2 of our existing D so I'll take it.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208

of course you would. You're a genius!

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

GoCaps01 - don't tell that to Cstanton. He's seen at least a 20 second video of him and thinks the world of em.

Posted by: pokerfaceI20

just because you have no clue who anyone NOT wearing a Caps jersey is, don't go pigeonholing me or anyone else in that regard. nimrod johnnycomelatelynewbiefan

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

the funny thing about pokerface is, he'll criticize a player until the Caps acquire him and then pretend he's his #1 fan.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Let's just get 6 offensive defensemen and throw all the established principles of hockey out the window.

Forget the D zone!

5-man forecheck!

Posted by: tmac2yao | August 12, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

the funny thing about pokerface is, he'll criticize a player until the Caps acquire him and then pretend he's his #1 fan.
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Name ONE time, ONE time I've ever done that. Better yet, name ONE time I've EVER been critical of a player PERIOD. Don't razzle dazzle us with you BS. Just name the time. I won't even ask you to use a direct quote. Just name the player or the instance.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 12, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Cstanton - I thought you could watch one 20 second video clip of a guy and "know everything you need to know about a guy"?
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did i say that pokehisface? Or did you dream that up while suckling your favorite GM?

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As a matter of fact you did. You said it about MJ. You didn't want him "anywhere near the NHL" because of the one 20 second video you saw of him in DEVELOPMENT camp. You also admitted later that you had NEVER seen him play and it was in fact the ONLY video you've seen of him

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 12, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

I didn't say MaJo could never develop defensively. I said his instincts were so bad on that play that I didn't want yet another forward on this roster who had little desire to play along the boards.

But I grant you your point. If MaJo plays very differently the rest of the time than what that clip showed, I would be (happily) wrong.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Cstanton - the LAST think you've ever seen me do on here is to try and "pimp" myself as being some know it all unlike yourself. Also unlike yourself I go to many games both in Colorado and DC so I see quite a bit of the league. I'd go so far as to say I see just about every team live about twice a year. My hockey buddies and I also take an annual trip to an away arena we all have yet to go to so there is quite a bit of exposure there as well. I also have Center Ice and watch quite a bit of games nightly. So I feel like I have a pretty good grasp on the players out there. Never but NEVER have I ever critisized any player outside of the Caps organization. The only player I can think of that I've even critisized on the Caps is Steckel and that's because I feel he's too slow for the PK. So nice try buddy. Keep throwing out your BS and see how many people bite.

Oh yeah and the comment of "me sucking the GM", now that was mature and professional. I really thought you'd go to something like me poking my sister or something like that. Guess my expectations were too high.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 12, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

i stayed away from your sister because i have too much class. So stay classy yourself san diego.


"So I feel like I have a pretty good grasp on the players out there. Never but NEVER have I ever critisized any player outside of the Caps organization. The only player I can think of that I've even critisized on the Caps is Steckel and that's because I feel he's too slow for the PK."

gee that's quite impressive. You don't criticize anyone. How does that somehow mean you know a lot about hockey if the only player you think has any flaws is Steckel?

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

All Comcast Sportsnet says is that the Caps have resigned Belanger (according to sources) but won't announce it until they make a trade. [for a defenseman]. It can,t be for Kronwall, Caps let him walk for nothin last year. If the Caps trade for him I will join cstanton and underpanties in GMGM bashing.

Posted by: nimrodrsp | August 12, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Let's just get 6 offensive defensemen and throw all the established principles of hockey out the window.

Forget the D zone!

5-man forecheck!

Posted by: tmac2yao |

hell i'd even go for that if the 5 would actually forecheck. But I think they'd stand around looking to intercept passes with their sticks.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Also unlike yourself I go to many games both in Colorado and DC
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how do you feel about brandon yip and ryan wilson? or do you need a little computer to feed you answers? how'd you feel about the avs not re-signing matt hendricks? did you know the Caps had first dibs on hendricks and let him go?
i'm curious to hear your thoughts, and i've even isolated it down to your two apparent favorite teams.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

You don't criticize anyone. How does that somehow mean you know a lot about hockey if the only player you think has any flaws is Steckel?


Oh geez! LOL! Are you serious? Did you really just say that? Look bro, I've played hockey all my life, ref'd to a pretty decent level for many yrs before I had 2 back surgeries. I knew a lot of guys when they were working their way through the ranks. I tend not to critisize mainly b/c they are better than I ever could've imagined to be and people don't realize the work and sacrifices these guys have to go through in order to make it. If you want to critisize players or whatever I'm ok with that. I don't take exception to it because I can put in into context. I know the meaning is they suck at the NHL level and that's what you're referring to. But to say that I have critisized a player is way off base.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 12, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

well, i guess i'll catch the trade later. I'm off to blow up some fireworks and ride around a big fat (Grand) lake in oklahoma where apparently its 100 deg. yeehaa

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Not a fan of the Avs at all. You can thank Peter McBlabb for that. I just live here so that's the main topic outside of the Broncos. If I thought you were sincere in your question I'd answer it but you were obviously just being sarcastic and taking stabs.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 12, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

you don't take exception to it? hello, you've apparently harbored something from 10 blogs ago about my comment on MaJo. Even though you don't have anything to refute it with. I'm not even sure if your point is that he's actually a good defensive player and that one clip was an aberration. Or you just took offence at me stating that he wasn't ready for the nhl based on that one clip.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

If I thought you were sincere in your question I'd answer it but you were obviously just being sarcastic and taking stabs.
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no, i want YOU to take a stab at it and tell me your thoughts. I'll read em Monday when I get back. Seriously. Yip, Hendricks, Wilson. Did you notice em last yr? Did you like em? I'm highly sincere.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm not even sure if your point is that he's actually a good defensive player and that one clip was an aberration. Or you just took offence at me stating that he wasn't ready for the nhl based on that one clip
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That's the funny part, I don't have an opinion of him because I haven't seen him play. My only point was you can't make a blanket statement or judgement about a player from one 20 second video clip.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 12, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

well, i guess i'll catch the trade later. I'm off to blow up some fireworks and ride around a big fat (Grand) lake in oklahoma where apparently its 100 deg. yeehaa
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I think you'll return and there won't be a trade announced. Rarely are trades announced on Fridays for publicity reasons. Although I'm hoping this is one of those rare instances.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 12, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

. My only point was you can't make a blanket statement or judgement about a player from one 20 second video clip.
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in essence i would agree with that. My feeling was from watching that clip of MaJo is that the way he played that particular play looked very natural to him. Meaning, it seemed to me that he'd play that play the same way over and over again because his natural instinct didn't appear to be that he would close the gap between him and someone along the boards. Same type of play I've seen Semin make over and over again. Can I say it with any real degree of certainty that that play is reflective of MaJo's entire game, no. Not from the 20 sec clip. Just a gut feeling, and like I said I hope I'm wrong or if I'm right I want him to season in the AHL and learn some north american hockey.

awrite laters i m late

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 12, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

FIGHT! FIGHT! Kick his a$$, Sea Bass!

Posted by: jmurray019 | August 12, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

So, when presented with data that so powerfully clashed with perception… many people chose the perceptions."

Posted by: sgm3 | August 12, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

stats are for geeks... a fantasy sport geek would pick A-Rod over Jeter every time but if you actually wanna win championships, you will take Jeter every time.

Statiscally speaking A-Rod would have been the greatest shortstop in the history of baseball had he remained at short. A-Rod is a follower, Jeter is a leader who does every little thing that stats cannot measure to win. I've been a Yankee hater all my life but Derek Jeter is the most special ball player that I've ever seen.

Posted by: joek443 | August 12, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Katie's picture above is new and looks good - but the Washington Post has NOT updated the picture for the Capitals Insider blog from the main Sports Blogs page and TEB's picture is still there. They have only done 1/2 of the job.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/columns-blogs/blogs.html?nid=roll_sportsblogs

Posted by: MReilly9 | August 12, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

@pokerface

With all his constant yappings about how certain guys lack such deep human qualities as heart and desire without actually knowing thse people, I think cstanton1 needs to read this famous Teddy Roosevelt quote to help gain perspective:

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes up short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."

Posted by: sgm3 | August 12, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

LMAO jmurray!

I was really hoping to find out about Belanger today but as each minute passes I think we're gonna have to wait til Monday. I just hope that this leaking to the public hasn't put the Ka bosh on it.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 12, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm with ya sgm3!

Joek I actually agree with you on something! Jeter is not only a great player, he's pure class. ARod has long been known to be the player that is anything but clutch. He always hits his homers when they're up 10-2 for example. I have hated the Yankees as well but I have the utmost respect for Jeter. Jeter is not only a leader he's a TEAM player. ARod is about 1 thing, ARod.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 12, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

There is zero chance we'd trade for Kronwall. We let him walk away after we claimed him off waivers. He's not worthy of giving up assets for.

As far as trades being announced on Friday why the heck wouldnt they announce a trade on Friday? If the trade takes place then they announce it, they dont wait till saturday, sunday or monday. A lot of GM's are getting ready to go on vacation so as soon as the deal is done it will be announced.

Posted by: ThePat | August 12, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm beginning to seriously wonder if pokerface and cstanton are jilted lovers... they fight like people that use to be in love fight... kinda reminds me of my folks... well, if they were divorced... and if they fought a lot... and if they were gay! :-| wait! nevermind!

could you too just do each other and get it over with? ...the tension is just too much ;-)

Posted by: FrankM73 | August 13, 2010 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Chumps who think stats are for geeks haven't seen who's running the world these days.

Look @ your google search utility & tell me what are they using? Guts & instincts?

Please...don't be afraid of the new tech century geezer443..surprised you even know how to boot up you old xenophobe.

Posted by: Rocc00 | August 13, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps Flash and a couple of Hershey prospects for a 2c AND a D man? If you are clearing out some of talent in Hershey that is on the AHL/NHL bubble Belanger looks like a great veteran 3c signning. Perhaps the lack of a good D man at the trade deadline last year has GMGM a little more willing to work a big trade?

Posted by: brasidas422 | August 13, 2010 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Not that this http://www.japersrink.com/2010/8/13/1621011/why-the-caps-should-and-could-be is any more than speculation, just like the rest of the rumors. However, good points are made.

Posted by: fanohock1 | August 13, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Belanger was a big part of the penalty kill, special teams are very important. Nice to see, but trading Flash, damn...now, nice to see they changed the picture at the top of the blog. One, Tarik is gone, he will be missed but life goes on. Two, HELLOOOOO Katie, you are one pretty woman! Welcome to your new home Katie.

Posted by: soloman5000 | August 13, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

A lot of Caps fans really don't know much about hockey. 'Belanger is a bum' etc. comments only show that.

Belanger brings two things to the table that are very valuable for Washington. He is a very good faceoff man and his strength is on special teams, specifically the PK where the Caps have been a middling to lower team in efficiency the past several seasons.

These kinds of players are a LOT more important for Washington to acquire or in this case retain than simply retaining another forward like Fleischmann who can pocket 20 goals when hiding in the shadows behind Ovechkin, Backstrom, Semin, Knuble, etc.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | August 13, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

@tmacyao - total agreement with you on Kaberle. He's an upgrade. You move another "softee".

I saw this thought: Flash for Regerhe.
?? Make that trade twice, we'll play the other Regerhe on our second pairing! Not likely, though.

Willie Mitchell: I hear he's slow, slow. Montreal did not beat us - repeat - did not beat us because we had no tough D. They were able to score because our D are too slow. We had problems not with the big teams but with the little quick ones (Detroit, etc) last year. We lack the foot speed on D. So a quick, agile, defensive d-man works better.

@sgm3, @ctanton1
Yes, the "can't clear the table" line, well done. (Maybe that actually could be a line...)

Posted by: RedLitYogi | August 13, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I would do Flash + Varlamov sounds right for Doug Murray, and then sign Niemi. A week later sign W. Mitchell. This is a Stanley Cup favorite with those moves.

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | August 13, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

As much as I want it to be Regehr, it won't be:

1. He has a no-trade clause which is worth something to get waived
2. He counts $4 MM for the next 3 seasons, I think he is worth it, but the $s may not work for the period in question since one goalie and a couple of D-men will be coming off their rookie contracts.

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | August 13, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

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