Network News

X My Profile
View More Activity
On Twitter: kcarrera and PostSports  |  Facebook  |  E-mail alerts: Sports and Redskins  |  RSS

Fehr re-signs; Nylander clears waivers (updated)

Eric Fehr signed a two-year extension with the Caps today.

The deal is worth $2.2 million per season, up from the $771,750 he earned last season.

Fehr also became the first Cap to ever announce his signing via Twitter, tweeting moments ago, "Happy to announce I'll be back for the next two years with the Caps! Can't wait to start back up!"

The 24-year-old winger had 21 goals and 18 assists and a plus-18 rating, despite playing in only 69 games and receiving a mere 12:07 in ice time per game last season.

With Boyd Gordon, Jeff Schultz and now Fehr back in the fold, that leaves Tomas Fleischmann as the Caps' only remaining unsigned restricted free agent.

In other news, Michael Nylander cleared waivers, which isn't surprising and doesn't really change anything regarding his status with the Caps.

Update:Fehr said both sides wanted to sign a two-year deal. From the team's perspective, short-term deals keep the player hungry. From Fehr's perspective, a short-term deal means he can cash-in big time if he posts two more seasons of marked improvement.

"I feel like I still have a lot to give," he said. "Hopefully I'll be able to score a few more goals than 21" next season.

Fehr also said he plans to take advantage of the healthiest offseason he's had as a pro. If you recall, he had surgery on both shoulders last summer and wasn't able to work out.

"This is the healthiest offseason I've had in my pro career and I'm enjoying it," he said. "I'm getting a good opportunity to get a little bit stronger and work on a few things I haven't been able to work on in the past. So I'm expecting some big things next year."

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  July 8, 2010; 3:28 PM ET
 
Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati   Google Buzz   Previous: Development camp details
Next: Development camp underway (updated)

Comments

Now comes the big debate on Flash. Will GMGM resign him or won't they? Does Belanger come back into the fold since it seems he's not getting much of a bite from anyone in the league for a longer term deal?

Posted by: straub21 | July 8, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

ohhhh 4.4 mil. A bit steep, but I think he can certainly put up numbers that would justify that if he stays healthy.

Posted by: j3rockstar | July 8, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I think that is a very good deal for the Caps and they get him for 2 years at that money.

Since it was only 2 years it was less money as I think Fehr will enter UFA after the 2 years so he will not be giving up any UFA years as Schultz did.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 8, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3 I thought Fehr was only 24 which means he would be 26 at the end of the contract and would still be an RFA then since the age is 27 or is there something I am missing? I will admit I am not an expert on those things.

Posted by: icehammer97 | July 8, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

good for F16 and good for the caps. lets hope he stays healthy and builds on last years progress...and gets some ice time.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 8, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Oh wait...I'm an idiot. I thought it read 4.4 a season. It's 2.2 a season?? That's a GREAT signing. GMGM, you've done it again!!!

Posted by: j3rockstar | July 8, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

A very very good deal for the Caps. For the past two seasons Fehr has been the most peculiarly underrated player on the team. I'm thrilled he'll be back

Posted by: dcfury | July 8, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Solid, now get Flash in the fold and wait for trade offers and training camp.

Posted by: flee001 | July 8, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

@icehammer97

I'm not positive he will be a UFA after the 2 years but I think it is possible. According to si.com Bergeron, from the Bruins, is only 24 and is a UFA after this season.

I am unsure on Fehr but I think he would be a UFA in two years. Where is tominsocal1 so we can get some solid answerws on this.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 8, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see Fehr back. Good signing. Go Caps!

Posted by: LloydChristmas | July 8, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

sgm3 -

Bergeron, I believe went pro when he was 18, maybe 19...that is why is will becoming an UFA. I wish we had him here. :)

Posted by: j3rockstar | July 8, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

With any luck this will leave Flash out in the cold and force Boudreau to play Fehr instead of Flash.

Posted by: CapsNut | July 8, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

This could be Fehr's breakout year. Good contract.

WTF...no comments from "wtf"?

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 8, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

@j3rockstar

I would like Bergeron too. Maybe Flash for Bergeron. It would open up some cap room for the Bruins while adding a needed scoring winger and opeining up a center position. (yes, I know this won't happen but at least I can dream)

Posted by: sgm3 | July 8, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Fehr is the argument against Flash in arbitration. Similar stats but better playoff. There is no way Flash gets more than Fehr and if he does the Caps walk.

Posted by: flee001 | July 8, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3,

Peter Chiarelli has kind of painted himself into a corner with bad cap mgmt. They need to dump some money, and what they have now is too many centers, and Tim Thomas. Something has to break. Since Thomas and his contract seem un-movable....look for a center to go....Savard, Bergeron, or Kerjci. The smart money is on Savard it seems, although with his NTC....Bergeron would be the next in line to go. Maybe GMGM could make it happen?

Posted by: j3rockstar | July 8, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

*Krejci*
Sorry about my typos today. I guess I'm overly excited about the signing. lol

Posted by: j3rockstar | July 8, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

looks like fehr would qualify as a group 6 free agent

the cba can be found here - http://nhlpa.com/About-Us/CBA/

article 10.1 (c) unrestricted free agents - page 28

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 8, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

at least after that horrible deal yesterday, today we sign Fehr for 2yrs/4.4mil-that's a steal

Posted by: Tondi | July 8, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

If Fehr can stay healthy, its a great move by the caps. He is developing much like Brooks, aside from the injuries.

Does anyone know what kind of price tag John Madden has? cup experienced vet who can score...i dont know. seems like he could be a good fit.

Posted by: jacobduncanstokes | July 8, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

@j3rockstar

I agree that there is a good chance Bergeron will be moved because the Bruins will not be able to get rid of Savard (NTC is an impediment and concussion issues) or Thomas (unmovable with that absurd contract).

Maybe Flash and picks or prospects could entice Boston if Boston can get Flash under $2.5M.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 8, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

This is probably really dumb thing to say...but would it be feasable to not sign Flash and move MP over to wing where he can also share center duty with MJ? or is he pretty set at center?

Posted by: capscoach | July 8, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3,

Flash wouldn't net Bergeron straight up, but maybe if the Caps through in a prospect or two, they can work something out.

Posted by: cainoo7x | July 8, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

@jacobduncanstrokes

I have no idea what Madden wants but my guess is that there can't be that many suitors for him and maybe a 1 year between $1.75M and $2M could do the trick. I know Pittsburgh is intersted in him but they don't have the cap space to offer much more than $1M.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 8, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Here's another vote in support of a Madden signing. The PK gets instantly better with him on the team.

Posted by: ccCapsfan | July 8, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

cainoo7x and sgm3,

Maybe Flash and a pair from Hershey. I bet they would take Chris Bourque just for the name rec. plus another FWD. GMGM, give them a call.

Posted by: j3rockstar | July 8, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

@capscoach: The main problem with doing so is that we then lose a 20+ goal scorer with no trade assets in return. Flash is RFA and has been extended a QO, but has elected arbitration. The team can sign him at any point but cannot withdraw the QO. if he goes to arbitration, the team may choose to walk away from the award named by the arbiter (but Flash may not, since he elected arbitration). If they do, he becomes UFA and has no further ties to the team - essentially they lose him for nothing.

So, the short answer is: yes, but it's costly to do so.

Posted by: kittypawz | July 8, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Madden was not looking to take a pay cut so I believe 3m a year is his price for 2-3 years. There's a reason he's not signed.

Posted by: flee001 | July 8, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

@flee001

I am just guessing on supply and demand. He had $2.75M last year and now he is a year older and there are not that many teams in search of a 37 year old center who are willing to pay more than $2M. At least I don't think there are.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 8, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

@flee001: I'm a big Madden fan but that seems steep. You're right about there being a reason he isn't signed.

Posted by: ccCapsfan | July 8, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

i can't imagine madden getting even $2m at 37 yrs old
09/10 reg season
79gm/10g/13a
playoffs
22gm/1g/1a
it looks like you'd be paying for leadership, not production, with him - although i'd think with the caps you would see at least a slight increase in those numbers

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 8, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Last year Madden made $2.75m. There is no way he makes any more then that next year and since he is 37 there is no team that will give him a three year deal since they would be on the line if he retires/gets hurt. The best he can do is get the same deal as last year but if he takes a two or more year deal he will need to take much less since the team will have to take much more risk. I still think since he has not signed yet he will have to settle for $2m or less but that is just me.

One last thing on Shultz. For those talking about how bad a deal it was Dennis Seidenberg signed for the same number of years and $2m more over that time. He is also already 28 and close to peaking where Shultz is still 24 and is just starting to reach the time he will really start to peak.

Posted by: icehammer97 | July 8, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what Shultz will be working on in the off season?

Posted by: LloydChristmas | July 8, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

@LloydChristmas

On being even more awesome.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 8, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I hate to use a term from basketball, what about a sign and trade with Flash and prospects going to Boston for one of their centers?

Anyone think that would be a good move?

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Posted by: jwash4472 | July 8, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

@icehammer97: I agree. Look at how much Schultz improved last year from the previous and he is still very young. There are exceptions but tall defenseman tend to mature later anyway. The guy has a lot of upside. Jeez, Carolina resigned Corvo for 2 yrs and 4.5 million. We saw firsthand last year that he isn't worth close to that and he has NO upside at this point.

Posted by: ccCapsfan | July 8, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what Shultz will be working on in the off season?

Posted by: LloydChristmas | July 8, 2010 4:59 PM

probably money management.
and some light reading material: "how to tell if your financial advisor is ripping you off" for dummies

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 8, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

@jwash4472

We were actually discussing something similar above (for Bergeron). I don't think the NHL allows a sign and trade like the NBA, but the NHL allows a team to trade the rights to a player (I think) and then the acquiring team sings said player to an already agreed upon contract.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 8, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

@ccCapsfan
playoffs
07/08 - 2games - 0g,0a,-2
08/09 - 1game - 0g,0a,-1
09/10 - 7games - 0g,1a,-1

of you call that improvement WOW

Posted by: Tondi | July 8, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Yes, because everything a defender does is quantified in stats.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 8, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I hate to use a term from basketball, what about a sign and trade with Flash and prospects going to Boston for one of their centers?

Anyone think that would be a good move?

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Posted by: jwash4472 | July 8, 2010 5:04 PM |

Sign and trades don't happen in the NHL.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 8, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

@ccCapsfan
playoffs
07/08 - 2games - 0g,0a,-2
08/09 - 1game - 0g,0a,-1
09/10 - 7games - 0g,1a,-1

of you call that improvement WOW

Posted by: Tondi | July 8, 2010 5:12 PM

caps as a team:
playoffs
07/08 - first round exit
08/09 - second round exit
09/10 - first round exit
clearly they are not getting any better - trade the whole team to someone in hamilton ontario - DC is no place for non playoff producers

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 8, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I actually think that since Flash filed for arbitration, that he is no longer able to be traded for a period of time following the hearing. I don't know if the trade freeze is in effect before the hearing though.

Posted by: j3rockstar | July 8, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Tondi - I'm guessing you just don't like the guy. That's your right, but looking at offensive stats to prove a point about a "conservative" defender? While you are at it, check out the stats of the rest of the team. Aside from Ovie, Backstrom, and Knuble (I think) the entire team pretty much dried up against the Habs. Like him or not, Schultz played some good hockey last year.

Posted by: gonchpup | July 8, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Ok I'm glad Fehr will be back...but he doesn't deserve that kind of money! The same goes for Schultz!Gordon should be paying the Caps for a chance to play! What scares me is that they will re-sign that bum Flush for way to much money and we, the Caps fans, will be stuck with the same under achievers as last year with a career minor league coach/actor, a great regular season but will go bust in the post season. The team is still not tough, which is needed in the playoffs, god help us when Ovie finally gets his head taken off by some guy like Carcillo, then it's over! Why shouldn't other teams take runs at him and others? They all know that there will be nobody retaliating! I wonder if the team proctologist Don Fishman had anything to do with this? HMMMMMMM, I wonder i'm sore just thinking about it.

Posted by: Squigsfan83 | July 8, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't say on nhlnumbers, but I'm pretty certain Fehr will be a RFA again when his deal is up. He will be 26, and since he won't have seven NHL seasons in, he won't have either age or time to qualify for UFA. Those who qualify before 27 (someone mentioned Bergeron I think) started either the year they were drafted or next.

When I originally did the Fehr projection, when Tarik posted the Fehr was negotiating note about two weeks ago, I did 1 yr $2M/2 yrs 2.25/2 yrs 2.5/4 yrs 2.75/5 yrs 3.0/6 yrs 3.2 (Olesz) and 10 yrs 3.9 (Franzen). So, the numbers are in line with his performance.

I believe by year 2 he will be a "bargain" enough that GM will be able to say he got Fehr at Ross.

This gives the Caps an extra $50K from my cap spreadsheet from yesterday since I had him at $2.25M. I still have Flash at $2.75M since he will get that much in arbitration (see Olesz contract). With Flash at that amount, the Caps (incl Perreault and EITHER Beagle or AGordon, phil) have a 22-player roster and have $4M in space.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 8, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

@Tondi

nobody played well in the playoffs for the Caps (barring maybe 3 players...OV, Backs, and Carlson. That is a team issue...not a player one...according to your philosophy had Semin, Green, Knuble, Laich, Flash, Bradley,Chimera been free agents this season...they deserve minimal raises or no signings at all.

Posted by: capscoach | July 8, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I think a recent, disgruntled poster needs to find another team if he is so down on this one... for god's sake!

Posted by: gonchpup | July 8, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

@ccCapsfan
playoffs
07/08 - 2games - 0g,0a,-2
08/09 - 1game - 0g,0a,-1
09/10 - 7games - 0g,1a,-1

of you call that improvement WOW

Posted by: Tondi | July 8, 2010 5:12 PM

So in that case Green is one of the best players in the NHL since he always leads the league in points and most times in +
/-? You know what I am up for a challege, even by your stats he shows improvement. In the first two years you showed he was not able to make the roster for more then a game or two but last year played every game and was 4th on the D in TOI and the main reason why is because Shultz doesn't play on the PP he plays the tougher minutes on the PK instead. He also has gone from 90 blocked shots in 07-08 to a team leading 129 blocked shots last season. Looking at just playoff stats is way too small of a sample size. You are talking about how good a player is based on 10 total games. There have been times in 10 game streaches where Ovechkin has only had a goal at most if that had happened to have been a playoff series would he be a bad playoff player who needs to be traded?

Posted by: icehammer97 | July 8, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

DarrenDreger is reporting that Philly will place Gagne on waivers if no one makes a trade for him.

He is too expensive and doesn't play a position of need for the Caps but that seems like it would be a good pickup for a team like the Islanders, Kings, Wild, Columbus, and other teams needing scoring. It wouldn't be too much risk either since Gagne only has 1 year left on his contract.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 8, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Icehammer97 - Well done.

Posted by: gonchpup | July 8, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

He needs to act like a million dollar winger in the playoffs.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | July 8, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Fehr performed well in the playoffs this past season.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 8, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Fehr worth the money, Schultz worth the money for the length.

Posted by: flee001 | July 8, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

@Squigsfan83

Detroit lost in the first, second, and first rounds after winning the cup in '03 through '05. Did they blow up the team? No, they lost in the conference finials the next year then won the Cup the following year. All of those years they were division winners and both of the first round exits were as the 1 seed. Yes they had won a Cup in '02 but that is the kind of patience we need. Many don't have that because we have not won a Cup but over reacting and making decisions based on 7 or so games is very foolish and is the reason why many teams have problems.

The playoffs is a lot more about who gets hot rather then "best teams" even in "playoff hockey." Was Philly really the best team in the East last year? No they had a good run through the East and made it to the Final. Was the 1997-1998 Caps team their best? The year before and the year after with a vast majority of the same players they didn't even make the playoffs in either year. The team we had last year with the improvements of the younger players is very much a Cup contender and one of the best teams in the East again. There is no reason to over react to 7, and really only 3, games.

Posted by: icehammer97 | July 8, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

@icehammer

wise words! it is very nice to see someone not throw this team under the bus. It is true that there is a certain degree ofluck or "hotness" when it comes to the playoffs.

Question though: Are you concerned at all at the prospect of having up to 5 rookies in our line upnext season?

Posted by: capscoach | July 8, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

it's ludicrous to compare this current Caps team to the Wings because this team has done nothing in the playoffs for over a decade... they haven't even proven yet that they can beat anyone without going the distance in the playoffs.

Posted by: joek443 | July 8, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

@ zmega
Apologies if you misunderstood my comments. Hershey has always been successful and well run franchise, most of my comments that you viewed as negative came from a season ticket holder down there (actually up there)who is tired of increases every year in price and parking while the same owners are shipping 500 factory jobs to Mexico to save money. Hershey has to be making tons of money on hockey with their league high attendance and deep playoff runs every year. Reality is all are not happy in Chocolatetown if you lost your job at the factory and are a season ticket holder. I do remember the break with the Avalanche as Hershey not budging on some of Colorado's requests and thus the split. Just concerned that problem could rise again although the success of this affiliation would certainly lean towards continuation. I would like to see it continue for sure. Hurricanes wanted their AHL team closer. Am old enough to remember the Skipjacks in Baltimore and the Clippers (I believe) having been to a few games there and then started going to Landover - whoa that was a few years back. Anyhow, if Hershey & Washington ever split, I am sure the Metro area could support an AHL team with the success we've seen at VC. The Caps get more fans at a practice than some AHL teams draw for games!

Posted by: rockdaredlangely | July 8, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

icehammer97, you're right I was wrong let's go with the same team and the same strategy as last year. Let's keep the minor league coach/actor in place so that every year the team fails in the playoff's we can all come back in the summer before we write out the first check for our next years season tickets and talk about Detroit and the hot goalie that beat the Caps again and how the team wasn't tough enough "need to add some grit." BB can make some commercials, eat a few more free hot dogs, write another book, talk about Avery calling him fat and watch the Hershey Bears win another Calder Cup.

Posted by: Squigsfan83 | July 8, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

@Squigs...why don't you apply for the coaching job , let's see what you can do with the team...isn't the check for season tickets for the regular season and the Caps had the 9th best regular season of all time, I'd say you got your money's worth

Posted by: boomer44 | July 8, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Joek is back! I am giddy with... dissapointment. Let the additional negativity begin.

Posted by: capscoach | July 8, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Joek...before you start could you PLEASE tell me what you like about the Caps b/c then I might be able to listen to more of your reasons as to why the caps suck without that nast metalic taste on my tongue that comes when I see your posts.

Posted by: capscoach | July 8, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Just stop eating the "miniatures". They are manufactured in Mexico. I ate Reeses "Cups" between periods in the playoffs out of superstition. They are made about a mile as the bird flies over the fields from the Center. By the way the Bears just signed veteran D-man Lawrence Nycholat to an AHL contract.

Posted by: dull | July 8, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I love having Fehr back. I love having Schultz back.

For #55. When do defensive players mature and hit their peak? Just asking.

I guess it's at 24. Bastard.

If you don't think Schultz will get better then fair enough. If you think he will continue to develop into a positional defender and be a top 2 or 3 dman in the next few year, then it's a fine deal.

Dude doesn't play the PP and was still +50. Not the greatest stat in the NHL but it's still a number.

I also believe the talk at Japers. The Caps have loads of guys that will be up this season, growing them right here, who cost way less than long-term deals.

This team will win.

That's all.

Off to pour ice on my head. Can it get hotter?

Posted by: saintex | July 8, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

for as long as I've been following this blog, I never seen so much negitivity about the Caps...and most of it comes either from trolls or posters who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. How about watching a game before some you make comments like that. Schultz & Fehr are continuously improving and deserve those contracts. The Caps will go further heck, they may very well win it all as long as the entire team shows up for the playoffs instead of maybe 4-5 players. As fans all we can do is keep the faith and have patience.

Posted by: jleftwing97 | July 8, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

To all of the negative posters here today - What will your comments be IF this team we have happens to win the Cup next year? Will you admit you were off base or try to find ways to sweep your past comments under the rug. For years, Ted has said he wants to build the team from within and he has instructed McPhee to do so to the best of his and his staff's abilities. They hired a coach from within who works well with these young kids. Not quite there yet, but with this team intact, we will have a contender for many years to come. Try supporting the team or find another that better matches your wishes. Quit whining or quit posting... it's getting old.

Posted by: gonchpup | July 8, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

@ Capscoach I think even without adding players, which I still think the Caps will do after signing Flash, we will only have Perreault and one other forward but he would be on the third or fourth line. On D I really don't count Alzner or for that matter Carlson as rookies. Alzner has already played 50 career NHL games and Carlson may have only played 29 including playoffs but I think he showed in those games he can play in this league. This also goes for Varly and Nuevy. Varly may have only played a half season but he has been tested in the playoffs even when under pressure two years ago starting after being down in the first series and taking the Cup champs to 7 games with two of the best offensive players in the NHL against him. Nuevy came in under the pressure of the streak last year and did fine and since the two of them will push each other and be there as a backup if either falls so neither has to be a "#1" goalie. So really it is only 2 real rookies and only one will get real big minutes and that is only if the Caps don't go with a free agent or with a Semin/Flash/Fehr or Laich second line.

Lastly on Madden after looking at what Rob Niedermayer got ($1.15m) for a season I think teams can point at that when talking to Madden and get him to talk a lot less money then the $2.75m he made last year.

Posted by: icehammer97 | July 8, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

maybe you should change your name to Fidel...

Posted by: joek443 | July 8, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

As fans all we can do is keep the faith and have patience.

Posted by: jleftwing97 | July 8, 2010 7:32 PM

you have better odds at winning the powerball lottery than getting some of these fans to keep the faith and have patience

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 8, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Boston has been mentioned here as a potential trade partner. Considering this story, they may need to play ball:

Bruins "fined" $1.759 million of its cap space by the NHL next season...

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/hockey/bruins/view.bg?articleid=1266526&srvc=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+bostonherald/sports/hockey/bruins+(Boston+Bruins+-+Bruins+%26+NHL+-+BostonHerald.com)

Bergeron has been suggested in some of the comments. For '09-'10 he produced 19G/33A/52pts/58% faceoff wins in the reg season in 73 games (he added 4G/7A/11pts/57.9% faceoff wins in 13 playoff games). The fact that he's a natural center + the stats would seem to be an upgrade over Flash. However, Bergeron only played 74 games over the 2 seasons before that due to concussions. Just as with Willie Mitchell, it doesn't seem to be the best idea to bring in guys with known concussion issues, especially with Bergeron's $4.75 mil cap hit this year.

Thoughts?

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 8, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Actually, most of the "negative" posters make some really good points - joek, cstanton and underpants. All three are knowledgeable. The problem is they don't ever say what's good. Caps got 121 pts last year, so it can't be all bad.

Likewise, the posters who think it's safe to pencil in MJ and MP for #2 and 3 center - what have these players dowe in their very short careers to convince you they are ready? Just cuz McPhee says they "aren't guaranteed to fail" (he actually used those words) doesn't mean they can stand up to the likes of Crosby and Datsyuk, much less Cammalleri or even Richards.

Just remember, blinders come in all colors.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 8, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

as far as Ted and his "winning formula", it all sounds good except for the fact that his team has yet to win anything that matters.

the guy buys the Wiz and a minute later he starts to talk about how screwed up the NBA is compared to the NHL. That may or may not be true but who died and made him Commissioner??

there's a fine line between being confident and being arrogant. At least win something first before giving lectures on how to build a championship team. he should be taking lessons at this point.

Posted by: joek443 | July 8, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Ok I'm glad Fehr will be back...but he doesn't deserve that kind of money! The same goes for Schultz!Gordon should be paying the Caps for a chance to play! What scares me is that they will re-sign that bum Flush for way to much money...

Posted by: Squigsfan83 | July 8, 2010 5:35 PM

Please provide examples to demonstrate your contention that the Capitls have overpaid for the players you mentioned, i.e. which comparable players (based on age/seasons played/stats, the same criteria that agents/GMs/arbitrators use) are receiving significantly less money than what the Caps have doled out.

I suspect that your assertions are born of emotion and not factual evidence, but we're all willing to give you an opportunity to explain yourself and back up your seemingly irrational rant.

READY! SET! GO!!!

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 8, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

joek443 - Patience.

Posted by: gonchpup | July 8, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Joek - did you ever say something nice to your dog?

@capscoach - you have to understand that some people can't find good in anything. No matter how hard they try. It's always raining in their world.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | July 8, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

More on Bergeron: he has a NTC that kicked in July 1st.

A good breakdown of his '09-'10 season, including discussion of his performance after Marc Savard went out with a concussion after Cookie hit him:

http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/tyanderson/17601/

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 8, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

pokerface - Agreed. The way I see it, obviously the Cup is the ultimate prize, but being a fan of hockey in general and visiting numerous arenas, I can honestly say you can't beat the excitement generated by our boys. Our fan base is not the most knowledgeable (that's evident) but most teams can't match ours game in and game out. The Cup will come, but in the meantime, we've got it good.

Posted by: gonchpup | July 8, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm really happy arbitration wasn't necessary, and my boy is staying home.

I'm looking forward to more minutes for the guy and his healthiest and most productive season yet.

Hopefully, this blog will be a better place when the season begins.

Because right now, I am wishing I had a Darth Vader Force Choke button on my PC for some of these posters.


Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 8, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1 first off you are compairing them to some of the top centers in the league. We have Backstrom for that who I would take above most of the centers in the league. Really what the Caps need from MP or whoever they put as the second line center is to be better then BMo/Belenger because better then them is an improvement over last year. We had a great team last year that had a bad week, games 5-7. In all honesty three bad games and people want to do a major overhaul. Does Boston need to change all of their team since they blew a 3-0 series lead? Their only improvement is a rookie and have Cap penalties already. You don't hear people talking about how Boston needs to get rid of their team and they haven't won a Cup in a VERY long time.

This team is not being run by Dan Snyder. It is not going to go out and sign overpriced guys in free agency and last time I checked the Caps have been doing better with their way then the Skins way of doing things.

Posted by: icehammer97 | July 8, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

rockdaredlangley, I appreciate your comments. I understand where you're coming from.

Posted by: zmega | July 8, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

First off, according to capgeek Fehr will still be RFA after this contract is up.

http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=30

Anyway, I think this is a good deal and a good price for Fehr. I was thinking/hoping it would be closer to 2M because he doesn't do as much as Laich but I also understand that Brooks signed his deal a couple years ago and it was appropriate at that time.

Flash & CBo for Bergeron would be nice but I like bringing in a guy like Madden for the right price. Both players are good face-off guys and great PK guys. Bergeron has more offensive upside but Madden's Cup experience would be invaluable to our still young team. Oh and I remember reading somewhere that Madden is holding off for now and waiting to see how the other FA transactions go.

Posted by: pkendrick | July 8, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

I love Fehr. I am very excited about this.

Only two years? WTF? Let's wrap him up for life!

Posted by: youaresquishy | July 8, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Actually, most of the "negative" posters make some really good points - joek, cstanton and underpants. All three are knowledgeable. The problem is they don't ever say what's good. Caps got 121 pts last year, so it can't be all bad.

Likewise, the posters who think it's safe to pencil in MJ and MP for #2 and 3 center - what have these players dowe in their very short careers to convince you they are ready? Just cuz McPhee says they "aren't guaranteed to fail" (he actually used those words) doesn't mean they can stand up to the likes of Crosby and Datsyuk, much less Cammalleri or even Richards.

Just remember, blinders come in all colors.

Posted by: tominsocal1

So true--we all have our prejudices, and many posters make black/white arguments when the situation calls for a more much nuanced analysis. And though many of the more negative posters have insightful nuggets, it can be exhausting reading through the diatribes.

But I don't think McPhee, tho' very high on Mackan, thinks that he can step in at that 2nd center spot. From what I recall he said that at best he might be ready for the 3rd line center. I do however get the impression he and the scouts believe that Mackan has the potential to be top six. Doesn't help the team this year though, which is why I expect a trade, even if the team starts with Flash in that position. The list of upcoming UFAs is chock full of centers-who knows what can happen.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | July 8, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Actually, most of the "negative" posters make some really good points

tominswitzerland1: (hahahaha)
you're a numbers guy - i'll have to dispute 'most of the negative posters' - i can see 'a few of the negative posters' have good points.

this team is far from perfect and just about everyone realizes that. i just don't understand how some people can continue to be fans if there is no hope and the front office just isn't trying.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 8, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

I think the negativity stems from the franchise's history of not winning a Cup, which many of us have observed from the beginning, and the "tease" of finally having a team with the talent to compete with the best of the NHL. In a word - frustration. Imagine what it must be like on a Cubs blog in years when the Cubs have been been legitimate threats. But I'm not a psychiatrist....

Posted by: zmega | July 8, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Caps rumors from Hendricks Hockey...

http://hendrickshockey.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2924:hendricks-saysrumors-78&catid=40:the-rumors&Itemid=86

To wit:

"...Red Wings are still courting Mike Modano pretty hard. Other teams to be interested in his services are the Chicago Blackhawks, St. Louis Blues, and Washington Capitals...

- Arron Asham is drawing some interest as the smoke clears from the top tier free agents. Canucks, Sabres, and Capitals all seem to be expressing an interest in the rugged winger..."

McPhee tried to get Modano at the trade deadline (XM talking heads mention it occasionally), but Modano didn't want to come to DC at that time. And, yes, news reports claim he has said he'd only consider coming back to play for the Wings, but stranger things have happened.

Though the Caps don't seem to need any more RWs, I'd be in favor of bringing Asham in, depending on the $s he's looking for (his last deal with the Flyers was 2 yrs/$640k, reasonable when compared to Matt Bradley's $1 mil/yr). He's speedy sandpaper, will drop the gloves (281 PIMs over the last 2 seasons), and has a bit of scoring touch (10 goals the last season, has had other seasons of 15, 12, and 11 goals over his 11 year career, as well as 4 goals for the Flyers in their run to the Finals). I guess I'd have to forgive him, though, for the nasty slash he gave Brashear on his leg a coupla seasons ago, definitely wasn't too happy about that at the time haha

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 8, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

@YouAreABigWhiner

There could actually be an opening on RW if the Caps trade Flash, move Semin to 2nd line LW and move Fehr up to 2nd line RW.

Ideally that would Flash trade would involve the Caps acquiring a 2nd line center (Bergeron please). Then the Caps would need another RW to either be a 3rd or 4th liner(depending what line Bradley plays on).

That player could come from within but Asham wouldn't be a bad choice if the cost was decent.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 8, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

icehammer: I don't want an overhaul. Just a tweak. Yes, our guys had a great regular season but they aren't playoff warriors at this poinbt. As I've said, we have too many snipers and not enough tanks. An army needs that an artillery (that would be a guy who can pass like Pronger AND hit).

sgm3: Asham fits in. Move Flash, swap Semin back to natural LW, promote Fehr to #2 LW, make Asham #3 RW, get a veteran #2 center, MAYBE let one of the youngsters play #3 center since you can get a vet at the deadline, and by all means get a third right-side defenseman, one though who is at least a top-echelon second pair so that Alzner and Carlson only need to be 3rd pair until they "get experience" as Jimi Hendrix might say (if he were alive, of course).

BTW, trouble with Madden is he's not a #2. Sign him and we're still short the player to set up Semin and Fehr. Trading Flash for Asham essentially actually opens up cap space to $6M. Then drop Erskine and the 13th forward and suddenly you have $8M for the two players we need - #2C (MP or MJ being #3) and the rugged d-man.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 8, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

@ sgm3

I'd be fairly content if the scenario you envision came to pass. It'd be great to be a fly on the wall at Caps Central to hear what the accept/walk away # is for the arbitrator's award. It'd be a shame to get nothing in return, so let's hope that McPhee and Chiarelli can lend each other a helping hand.

Savard has been subject of trade speculation (Calgary is often mentioned), so he may be the guy to go, although, with 7 years left on his recently signed deal, that would not necessarily inspire confidence in other UFAs considering heading to the B's. For that reason, Chiarelli may be reluctant to ask him to waive his NTC. Though Savard's cap hit is just over $4 mil, this would not nearly be as good a fit for the Caps as Bergeron, who will be a UFA after this season. The youth playing center in the Caps pipeline needs ice time with the big club sooner than later, so, though I'm still concerned about post concussion related issues, Bergeron would seem to be a good fit.

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 8, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

There could actually be an opening on RW if the Caps trade Flash, move Semin to 2nd line LW and move Fehr up to 2nd line RW.

Ideally that would Flash trade would involve the Caps acquiring a 2nd line center (Bergeron please). Then the Caps would need another RW to either be a 3rd or 4th liner(depending what line Bradley plays on).

That player could come from within but Asham wouldn't be a bad choice if the cost was decent.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 8, 2010 10:08 PM

In that case, 2nd-4th lines could be:

Semin-Bergeron-Fehr
Laich-?-Chimera
Gordon-Steckel-Bradley

If I am understanding you correctly.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 8, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

@timmyv38

2nd through 4th would be

Semin/Bergeron/Fehr
Laich/Steckel/Bradley(or Asham)
Chimera/Gordon (or MP/MJ)/B Gordon(if center is MP or MJ) or Asham or Bradley or A Gordon

I like the possibility of
Chimera/MJ/A Gordon on the 4th line. I think that could be a good energy line with some potential to pot some goals too.

If Madden could be signed to be 3rd line center than that could definitely be an option too. But if the Caps acquired Bergeron I think it would be best to use a signifcant portion of the remaining money on another defenseman (Willie Mitchell or Hjmaralsson)

Basically there are a lot of variations that could be done, but thos are the basic idea in my mind.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 8, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Both Schultz and Fehr played poorly when it was time to close out the Habs in Game 5 at home. I couldn't believe what I was watching as we came ouy flat. Neither of these two were playing like it was a "close out" game for the visitors. We'll exit early again. Neither of these will ever carry the cup.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | July 8, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Asham would certainly help to satiate the voracious thirst many here have for signing someone who will mix it up (as evidenced by his 31 fighting majors over the last couple of seasons). And, he doesn't appear to be too much of a defensive liability as he posted a 0 and -2 plus/minus in his stint with the Flyers (-34 over his 11 year career, but 1/3 of that came in '03-'04 with the Isles when he was -12).

Let's hope McPhee can pull the strings to bring this guy in, though I'm wondering what kind of payday Asham is expecting in light of the deals given to Shelley and the Boogeyman.

Anyone interested in Carcillo if the arbitrator's award is reasonable and the Flyers walk away? He could play 4th line LW, certainly brings some snarl, and also potted 12 goals last year.

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 8, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Both Schultz and Fehr played poorly when it was time to close out the Habs in Game 5 at home. I couldn't believe what I was watching as we came ouy flat. Neither of these two were playing like it was a "close out" game for the visitors. We'll exit early again. Neither of these will ever carry the cup.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | July 8, 2010 11:24 PM

Hmm, not disputing your view of the events that unfolded on that fateful eve, but let's go directly to Coach Boudreau for his assessment of the tilt (from http://dcist.com/2010/04/boudreau_blunt_in_caps_2-1_loss.php ):

"...We have Game 5 in our building, and we play like crap for the first ten minutes, and the game's over," an upset Boudreau said. "We're not getting 20 guys playing. We're getting 13 and 14 guys every night, rather than everybody coming to play. Tonight we had five or six passengers again..."

Boudreau later focused his ire. "When you have players that are supposed to be scorers and they miss really good looks, it's like a checker not doing his job, in my mind. They've got to score those goals..."

So, while Schultz and Fehr may have been among the passengers, there were at least, by Boudreau's count, 3 or 4 other players who also did not make the necessary contribution to ensure a victory.

Like much of the banter that occurs in these parts, your assertion that neither Fehr nor Schultz will ever raise the Cup is pure speculation. However, it certainly seems rather defeatist to lobby for such self-fulfilling prophecies. What joy will you garner from that development if, indeed, it comes to pass? Wouldn't it be more satisfying to say, gee, I remember when the Caps couldn't quite get it together and I'm glad I stuck around and supported the dudes? Eh, maybe it's just me...

By the way, in noticing your screen name, I must admit I'm in full agreement that Dale Hunter should some day be a coach in the NHL, maybe even with the Caps. But, it does bare reminding you that, as great of a player as Mr. Hunter was, he, too, never raised the Cup. Just sayin'...

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 8, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Both Schultz and Fehr played poorly when it was time to close out the Habs in Game 5 at home. I couldn't believe what I was watching as we came ouy flat. Neither of these two were playing like it was a "close out" game for the visitors. We'll exit early again. Neither of these will ever carry the cup.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | July 8, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

People also said that A-Rod was just a regular season player and would never win. It is easy to say a player will never win a Cup when he hasn't but who really knows. It is not like either of them are Crosby/Malkin types who are team leaders. They are support players who will help get a team over the hump. He was third on the team in the playoffs in goals. You talk about ONE GAME as a reason why he will never win a Cup. Ovechkin was bad in game 1, he will never win a Cup because he was flat in a playoff game that caused them to go down in the series.

Posted by: icehammer97 | July 8, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

If Philly walks away from Carcillo's arbitration ruling the Caps will certainly NOT get involved.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | July 9, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Both Schultz and Fehr played poorly when it was time to close out the Habs in Game 5 at home. I couldn't believe what I was watching as we came ouy flat. Neither of these two were playing like it was a "close out" game for the visitors. We'll exit early again. Neither of these will ever carry the cup.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | July 8, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse
*******************************************

I doubt our chances of winning a Cup will rest in the hands of Schultz and Fehr solely. Granted it would be nice if Schultz didn't blow another tire that leads directly to a goal in the playoffs. Not to mention injuring himself so bad in the process that he wasn't able to play another minute in the playoffs "wink".

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | July 9, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Both Schultz and Fehr played poorly when it was time to close out the Habs in Game 5 at home. I couldn't believe what I was watching as we came ouy flat. Neither of these two were playing like it was a "close out" game for the visitors. We'll exit early again. Neither of these will ever carry the cup.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | July 8, 2010 11:24 PM

There are 19 players on the ice - to blame 2 of them, 1 who only played 9:32, is ridiculous. Fehr was one of the best Caps in the series, and was the third scorer despite very limited time.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 9, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

To the person who blamed Schultz and Fehr:

Obviously you've had your words handed back to you. Your observation was misguided by any measure. You were wrong like when Jesus said, "Forgive them, Father, the human race is worth saving."

At least in the case of Jesus' words, there's still time for debate; in your case, please call God (1-800-THELORD) and tell him you are an idiot and beg forgiveness.

God: "Let me get this straight: You blamed Schultz and Fehr for the Caps' 1st round exit?"

You: "Yes, well, the way I see it..."

God: "Ha! Ha, ha, ha! Ha, ha, ha, ha, har, har, har, ha!!!"

You: "Well, what I meant was..."

God: "I don't care what you meant. What you said was absurd. Say a dozen Hail Backies and three Our Ovechkins and you shall be forgiven."

You: "Okay..."

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 9, 2010 1:25 AM | Report abuse

To the person who said "we have Backs to play against the top centers in the league." What do you do against teams like the Pens who have Crosby, Malkin, and Staal in succession? Malkin and Staal would most likely abuse the kids in Hershey at this point (Backs can't be on the ice for all 60 minutes) due to their lack of experience, same thing holds with the Wings. That 2nd line vet center IS needed, please stop kidding yourselves.

Posted by: PhilR | July 9, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Totally off topic but.......
Since LA is out (or in? or out? or in?) on Kovy; we should trade Semin to LA for Scuderi and 2nd round draft pick. Then send the draft pick and a prospect or two to the Flyers for Gagne.

Posted by: KAS2 | July 9, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

KAS2, I think GMGM will listen to offers but not seek out to trade Semin and yes, whomever loses on Kovi will have interest in Semin. The Caps need to make a fair offer to Semin but I think his future depends greatly on what the young kids as 2C do. If we have a great mix with a young center at lower cost then maybe Semin signs a 3-5 year deal?

Posted by: flee001 | July 9, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Flee001, I think GM is seeking to trade Semin at some point. We cannot afford Semin beyond this year; he'll want too much money. And we cannot let him go without getting something for him; he's too big a commodity. After next season Varly, Nuevyloowho (he looks like a who from whoville), and Alzner are RFA's. Laich, Poti, Erskine, Brads, and Boyd are UFA's. I'm not saying we should resign all of those players, but we'll have to replace them and give Laich an new deal. Semin is a luxury we cannot afford.
I also think for Semin it's the Caps or the KHL; he won't be comfortable anywhere else, but that will be for another team to worry about.
Even if the young centers are ready, Gagne is not a bad replacement (as long as he's healthy) on the wing and he's only under contract for 1 more year; we won't be stuck w/a deal after this year. Scuderi is a good young D-man who has a pretty affordable deal this year and beyond.

Posted by: KAS2 | July 9, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

@PhilR

You are assuming the Caps would match their top 2 lines against the Pens top 2 lines.

It also seems very likely that either Staal or Malkin will be moved to wing this year.

So, the Caps could put out Backstroms line against Crosby's and put out the Laich/Steckel/Bradley (or some variation with maybe signing John Madden or whatever) against Malkin's line.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 9, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Cheap options to fill out the roster might be Kyle Wellwood to center Semin, and Andy Sutton on the back end. Let Flash walk and plug in some of the Bears.

Posted by: ruggz | July 9, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

KAS2, agree. I've looked at keeping Semin or trading and if he was a center he's needed but being a first line wing playing on second line, yeah he's a luxury right now. My gut says an in-season trade but teams like Tor and Fla may take a shot at Semin now. Even the Islanders who love signing Russians.

Semin is an incredible talent, great to watch and infuriating at the same time but one has to wonder how he will do without Ovie. Could he thrive in Canada where everyone knows you? Could he fit with Pitt ... yes I said it, if they are looking to get rid of Staal? Could NYR come into play if they can't get their own Staal signed or LA if they miss on Kovi? Lots of interesting questions but I do think he stays on roster for beginning of season.

Posted by: flee001 | July 9, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Flee001, I love the idea of Semin for Staal. My friends and I have discussed that same deal, which works for both clubs. Say we don't have Semin next year and we let Poti, Erskine and others walk, we'll have a lot of cap space to play with, even with having to sign the RFA's and Laich. From what I'm reading several clubs are having issues w/signing RFA's, such as Mark Staal and Bobby Ryan. If they ultimately sign a 1 year deal w/their current club they may be available next year to take run at. Allowing us to conintue adding solid young players to a young core.

Posted by: KAS2 | July 9, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

sgm3,

We consistently disagree on this subject, I am not saying the kids wouldn't work in the playoffs but during the post season opposing teams are more likely to concentrate their efforts on match-ups and work to exploit the inexperience. And, I'm sorry...but after last years mess I do not trust BB to make the proper adjustments to conteract these attempts...hope he proves my fears wrong.

Also, I do not get your fascination with Madden, he has NEVER been a 2nd line center and the Caps can not afford his price tag in the 3rd line pivot position, Belanger is a much cheaper option and has worked with Laich who I hope gets moved to the 3rd line. The 2nd line center is the key position, someone to work between Semin and hopefully Fehr.

Posted by: PhilR | July 9, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

should be "kids work in the REGULAR season"....sorry about that!

Posted by: PhilR | July 9, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

@PhilR

I agree that acquiring a very good 2nd line center is very important, and I would be all for acquiring someone like Bergeron. However, just because the Caps want one doesn't mean they will get one. The other teams want things in return too. I'm just looking at other options (without major trades) because assuming 2 or 3 trades is not that likely since the other teams have to agree to them also.

Also, I don't think Savard is the answer because of the 7 years on his contract combined with concussion issues. Savard would be good for next year, just not the years following.

I only mention Madden because he is a very talented, checking line center, who is a veteran with Stanley Cup experience, and is more likely to sign a one year deal.

I would only sign Madden as a 3rd line center NOT a 2nd line center. Therefore the Caps would only have to play 1 young center(at 2nd line).

I'm not saying pay Madden anything, but if he could be had at a 1 year $2M contract(which I think is about what he will go for) then I think it would be worth it. It would also still leave open the option of making other moves. Such as getting rid of Flash and his contract (some teams will want him) and adding a defenseman such as Willie Mitchell or possibly even Hjmaralsson.

I'm just throwing out ideas, I'm not saying the Caps have to go this route, but I think it is an option.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 9, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Madden on 1yr deal at sub-2m would be good from the experience standpoint but he will sign and may be available at trade-deadline.

Posted by: flee001 | July 9, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Arron Asham would make this team better- by way of intensity. That's one dude I've been on for a while. I'd love to see him in a Caps sweater.

Posted by: Fro_ | July 9, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

My further thoughts on Madden are that he would help get the Caps a true shut-down line. One that would always be matched up against the opposing teams top line.

I think that would be very important for the Caps to establish and I don't think getting Madden will be too difficult (I don't know what his demands are so I am guessing here).

Posted by: sgm3 | July 9, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Arron Asham would make this team better- by way of intensity. That's one dude I've been on for a while. I'd love to see him in a Caps sweater.

Posted by: Fro_ | July 9, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

and since he isn't "highly skilled" i wouldn't hold my breath that McPhee even knows who he is, much less signs him

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 9, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I noticed that Fehr is an RFA after the 2 years.

Can someone tell me what determines if it is a UFA or RFA after an extension. I always thought that if you re-upped before the expiration of your initial NHL contract you extend out the RFA. So my guess is that if Fehr had gone to arbitration and say got a 1 year deal, then he would be a UFA next year. Is that correct?

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | July 9, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

If you put Madden or Belanger on the third line, you've used $1M in marginal cap space versus one of the lesser paid guys like BGordon (currently #3 cneter on the cap spreadsheet). And, you haven't solved #2 center - unless one of the jr players can do it. Otherwise, if you sign a Koivu type, at $3M, you've used another $2M in marginal space (which starts at $4M). That now leaves you 2.25 for a defenseman, assuming he repalces Erskine on the roster.

MP can still be on the team - as #5 center and 13th forward. That way he can be rotated in at #2, 3 and 4 slot at various times depending on injury and resting your vets on back-to-backs.

But, at this point, you'd now have BGordon, AGordon and Pinner all fighting for #4LW slot (only one open).

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 9, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

@Squigs...why don't you apply for the coaching job , let's see what you can do with the team...isn't the check for season tickets for the regular season and the Caps had the 9th best regular season of all time, I'd say you got your money's worth

Posted by: boomer44

Hey Boomer that's good idea! where do i apply? My check is a down payment for the playoffs not the regular season, that's the problem with you and your playstation generation...you don't want to compete, everybody wins and get's a trophy. News flash-this is the NHL, not pee wee's where everyone gets to play and the object is to have fun! These pro's are paid to win and me and your Dad and every other adult that goes to the game pays their salary! i have season tickets! I have a right to be ANGRY!

Posted by: Squigsfan83 | July 9, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

sgm3,

Gotta say no to Madden....now if GMGM would have walked away from Botd frickign Gordon like he should have then maybe the funds would be available for a Madden type but he did not and now they have to live with that decision.....the money that is left must go to a 2 center and a dman unless they acquire those pieces via trade.

And, completely agree with tominsocal's last post.

Posted by: PhilR | July 9, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

@Squigs...sounds like we are same generation, I am definitely not of the Play Station generation & I don't play fantasy sports teams,I also strongly agree with your observation of the current culture of kids in sports. The point I was trying to make is that if you buy the regular season you have had three fantastic years and got your money's worth during the regular season. Regular season or playoffs , there is never a guarantee of performance, you are buying as a fan of the team or the sport. Believe me i live and die by the Caps, nothing hurts more than playoff disappointment, but the great thing about sports, is that each year is a fresh start and hope for the Cup!

Posted by: boomer44 | July 9, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

All true, but I think it would be wise to use $1M in marginal cap space to get the Caps a true shut down defensive line. Madden could go against Crosby or any other top center in the league.

No, it does not solve the #2 center problem and no it does not solve the 6th defensman problem, but it does solve a need for only $1M of marginal cap space. Also, signing Madden would make Flash more expendable as only one center would be needed(a #2) instead of 2 centers (#2 and #3).

Again, I am not saying to do this over acquiring Bergeron or Hjmarallson(who may be able to be acquired with the Madden signing). But you cannot assume major trades are going to happen to acquire desired players. If GMGM is working on something and has near trade worked out for a 2nd line center, then by all means do it and don't sign Madden.

My thinking in this is not what is the best option (when assuming multiple trades etc.) it is considering the best options that are also very plausible.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 9, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I don't sense that the Caps are interested in an aging center, who may or not be able to keep up with Crosby, Stahl(s), Carter, Malkin etal, they are building for the future and unless a reasonable trade can be made, they will first give the young guys a shot. Is it ideal competitively, no, but they will need the Caps space next year for Semin, Laich, Alzner, Varlamov & Neuvirth resigning.

Posted by: boomer44 | July 9, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Political,

It's my understanding that you'd only be UFA after an arbitrated season if that season happened to be your last as a RFA. If you go to arbitration after year 3, you still have 3 seasons left as a RFA after the arbitrated season. If arbitration after year 6, you end year 7 as UFA. That make sense?

Posted by: Steve_R | July 9, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

@boomer44

You are right, the Caps may not be interested. In terms of next years cap I suggested that it would only be worth it if it was a 1 year deal so it would have no effect on the following years' cap.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 9, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

News on some guys discussed in this thread:


Asham wants to return to the Isles...

http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2010/06/asham-welcomes-islanders-encorewould-stand-up-for-all-those-great-young-players/


Chiarelli starts contract talks with Bergeron, Chara...

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/hockey/bruins/view/20100709talks_begin_with_zdeno_chara_patrice_bergeron/


Shero says Staal/Malkin may be moved to wing...

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10189/1071248-61.stm

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 9, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I read that Varly is changing his number from #40 to #1. I actually think that is cool. I've always liked the #1 for goalies, especially ones who play a style like Varly's.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 9, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Pete Peeters was a 1, was he not? I usually don't pay attention to numbers much, but I did as a kid. What about Mike Liut when he was here briefly? I think he was a 1 too

Posted by: JS26121820 | July 9, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

TSNBobMcKenzie I am not working, but I can tell you TSN's Gord Miller reports San Jose has signed Niklas Hjalmarsson to a four-year, $14M offer sheet.

Chicago has 7 days to match

Posted by: ThePat | July 9, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

@JS26

You are right, they each wore #1.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 9, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat

Wow. It will be interesting to see how Chicago responds.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 9, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

wasnt johnny #1? still bugs me that he signed with the pens. I dont know why but that seemed to bug me more than the olie situation. oh well, thats all long past now. It'll will be interesting who Theo suits up for, either way he will be wearing the ball cap.

Posted by: jacobduncanstokes | July 9, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat

Dan Girardi also re-signed with the Rangers for 4 years and $13.3M. It will be interesting what sort of effect that has on the Marc Staal negotiations.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 9, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Loved watching Mike Liut, even when he was with the Blues.

Posted by: PhilR | July 9, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

About 8 years old or so, Beaupre and Peet became my favorite players, and I got a set of goalie pads and got set to work on being the next goalie in the Caps line. I had a blast, but there was one minor detail. I wasn't very good. But other than that, I was all set!

Posted by: JS26121820 | July 9, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Since LA is out (or in? or out? or in?) on Kovy; we should trade Semin to LA for Scuderi and 2nd round draft pick. Then send the draft pick and a prospect or two to the Flyers for Gagne.

Posted by: KAS2 | July 9, 2010 8:08 AM |

Gagne???!?! Seriously?

Posted by: richmondphil | July 9, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Now that you mention it, yeah I think Johnny was a 1 too. But as I mentioned above, I'm not great at remembering uni numbers. I brought up 'pre thinking he was a 37, but I just Google imaged it, and he was 33. What was Jim Carey? That one's bugging the crap out of me now cause I bought his jersey when he was a flash in the pan and now I can't remember at all. 30?

Posted by: JS26121820 | July 9, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

i have season tickets! I have a right to be ANGRY!

Posted by: Squigsfan83 | July 9, 2010 11:25 AM |

You may have the right to, but you kidding yourself if you feel entitled to something for being a STH.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 9, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

Staal will get a 4 year $16 million deal would be my guess. Or he'll be signed to an offer sheet by someone.

Posted by: ThePat | July 9, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I also remember as a child pretending I was Liut or Peet while playing goal or little Dennis Maruk while playing forward.....I knew I was on my way to the NHL and would be a Cap one day. Unfortunately, like JS26121820 I didn't have the raw natural talent those guys did!! It was fun to dream though.......

Posted by: PhilR | July 9, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

Id much rather have Gagne here than Flash. I wouldnt do it the way that was said above though. Id offer the Flyers Flash for Gagne if they are going to put him on waivers. They can then let Flash walk. Move Laich to C on the 2nd line. Gagne-Laich-Semin would be a nice 2nd line.

Posted by: ThePat | July 9, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

@ richmondphil

Did you watch the playoffs? Gagne was good and he'll be gone after the year. My thinking is purely salary dump and getting a good d-man in here if we traded w/LA. We cannot afford Semin after this season; he will be traded.
Gagne is a good vet, he can skate, and he's not afraid of contact unlike Flash.

Posted by: KAS2 | July 9, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

@ PhilR

I never got attached to Liut like I did Beaupre, Peet and later Olie. Nothing against the guy, but even when he was here I could only picture the Whaler in him; he never felt like a Cap

Posted by: JS26121820 | July 9, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

JS26121820,

I was a big Liut fan long before he came to the Caps. Loved him when he played for the Blues and would make sure every time they visited the Capital Center I had prime seats on the visitors side of the ice so I could watch him defend the net up close and personal for two periods. Not sure why I was such a fan but I just found him an amazing talent as a child.

Posted by: PhilR | July 9, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat and KAS

Just what we need, another scoring winger. I can think of about 15 better fits for some upgrade at wing better than Gagne. Also, just so you know, Gagne was not asked to waive his NTC. It was a rumor.

On top of that, why would you even mention a trade to the Kings without involving one of their possibly available centers? Stoll and Handzus. Scuds? There's better and more said-to-be-available d-men out there. (Regehr, Sarich)

And no, I didn't watch any of the playoffs.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 9, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

the Flyers are debating putting him on waivers. and I said I wouldnt go about it doing the trade. Bottom line is Gagne is 10 times better than Flash is. So Id rather have him on the team than Flash and if you wouldnt I think there is something wrong. Im not talking about other options, just the one that is currently being discussed.

Posted by: ThePat | July 9, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat

The biggest problem with Gagne is that his cap hit is $5.25M. With how much money is aready devoted to Caps wingers I do not think it would be a good idea devoting that much money to another winger. That would mean the 2nd line wingers would be making over $11M. IMO, that is too much with the salary cap at $60M.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 9, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

and in regards to the Flyers, they are finalizing a deal with Zherdev so one of the big salary guys definitely has to be moved out. Wether its Gagne, Carter, Hartnell or Briere I have no idea. I'll believe Holmgren when he says they never plan on trading Carter. But Carter is the only one of the 3 that does not have a NTC or Briere has a NMC to be exact.

Posted by: ThePat | July 9, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

What a steal for 2.2 million. In the 2003 draft,Fehr went #18 followed by Ryan Getzlaf at # 19(makes 5.25M)and Mike Richards at # 24(makes 5.75M).Of course,this follows the pattern of GMGM picking busts in the first round with numbers in the teens such as Steve Eminger(#12),Boyd Gordon(#17),and Brian Sutherby(#26).In 2004, GMGM did much better with the later picks(Schultz and Green),but reverted to the old GMGM in 2005 with Sasha Pokulok(#14)and Joe Finley(#27).Since then,not bad with Varly(#23),Carlson(#27)and if he makes the team this year,Marcus Johansson(#24).The jury is still out on Anton Gustafsson(#21).Every time I see Fehr,I think how good we could have been with Getzlaf,who has already won a Cup with Anaheim and Olympic gold with Canada(as did Richards).

Posted by: roccky | July 9, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

it would just be for this year. last year of his contract and if Flash isnt coming back(and thats the only way that you could do this) then even with Gagnes cap hit, the Caps would still have about $2.75M in cap space. And if he fits better after this year, you could maybe resign him instead of Semin. Again there are plenty of other ways Id go about improving the team. Just pointing out that this is a way Gagne could work.

Posted by: ThePat | July 9, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

What's the difference between a no-trade and no-movement. Is it a technicality or something major?

Posted by: JS26121820 | July 9, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line is Gagne is 10 times better than Flash is. So Id rather have him on the team than Flash and if you wouldnt I think there is something wrong. Im not talking about other options, just the one that is currently being discussed.

Posted by: ThePat | July 9, 2010 2:06 PM |

What sgm3 said plus, it's not Flash for Gagne. Essentially, it's Semin for Gagne. Flash is for Scuds.

Bottomline, would you rather have Semin or Gagne?

Posted by: richmondphil | July 9, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

I am not talking about making a trade with LA. That trade would be stupid. The Flyers might be willing to put Gagne on waivers. Id trade Flash's rights for Gagne, or scoop Gagne off of waivers although he would not make it to us. Bottom line Id rather have Gagne than Flash, I said a second line of Gagne-Laich-Semin would be a good one.

Posted by: ThePat | July 9, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

@ roccky

I wouldn't knock GMGM too much for taking Fehr when Getzlaf was available. Yeah, it looks bad now, but realistically who expects to get a star in the late teens/twenties? Fehr at 17 ain't exactly a bust of the Kwame Brown/Heath Shuler variety. In the 15-30 range of a first round, I expect a contributor, not a star, and Fehr is a good contributor, just like Varly, Carlson and hopefully Johansson, Gustaffson

Posted by: JS26121820 | July 9, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I'll believe Holmgren when he says they never plan on trading Carter. But Carter is the only one of the 3 that does not have a NTC or Briere has a NMC to be exact.

Posted by: ThePat | July 9, 2010 2:12 PM

A Flyers fan playing the role of Holmgren compiled a wish list of what he'd want from the other 29 teams in exchange for Carter:

http://www.flyersgoalscoredby.com/2010-archives/february/29-jeff-carter-trades-i-just-might-say-yes-to.html

What does he want from the Caps?

"...Washington - John Carlson and Jason Chimera and a 1st..."

Umm, no thanks.

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 9, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

What is the point of acquiring Gagne if we don't trade Semin? Especially when our weaknesses are down the middle and at the blue line?

Yeah..that second line would be better without Flash. But that "trade proposal" is just as stupid as the one to LA.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 9, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

What's the difference between a no-trade and no-movement. Is it a technicality or something major?

Posted by: JS26121820 | July 9, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

pretty sure a no movement clause means you cant send the player down to the minors without his permission. a no trade clause just prevents the team from trading the player without them agreeing to it. w/ a no trade clause i believe you can still be put on waivers and claimed by another team.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 9, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

@YouAreABigWhiner

once the Flyers sign Zherdev they are going to be over the salary cap. They arent going to be able to bring back salary in really any of the moves they make. That is why theyd put Gagne on waivers.

@JS26121820

NTC-cant be traded
NMC-cant be placed on waivers

Posted by: ThePat | July 9, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

you are missing the whole point. I think Flash sucks. The Flyers just need to shed salary. To me Laich, a defensive minded player could fit in well at Center between Semin and Gagne. Much better than Flash. Again I am just talking about this scenario. I know the weakness of the team is C, we dont have a 2C or a 3C. I have said that for weeks.

Posted by: ThePat | July 9, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

What's the difference between a no-trade and no-movement. Is it a technicality or something major?

Posted by: JS26121820 | July 9, 2010 2:15 PM

No Movement means that a team cannot make any moves that would remove a player from the roster without the player's approval, i.e. Nylander eventually agreeing to be designated for assignment to Grand Rapids in the "A" last year. It leaves all the decision making power in the hands of the player, whereas a No Trade still allows a GM to bury a guy in the minors to take his salary of the books for cap purposes.

I'm sure there's a more technical explanation in the CBA, but that's basically the gist of it.

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 9, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

What a steal for 2.2 million. In the 2003 draft,Fehr went #18 followed by Ryan Getzlaf at # 19(makes 5.25M)and Mike Richards at # 24(makes 5.75M).Of course,this follows the pattern of GMGM picking busts in the first round with numbers in the teens such as Steve Eminger(#12),Boyd Gordon(#17),and Brian Sutherby(#26).In 2004, GMGM did much better with the later picks(Schultz and Green),but reverted to the old GMGM in 2005 with Sasha Pokulok(#14)and Joe Finley(#27).Since then,not bad with Varly(#23),Carlson(#27)and if he makes the team this year,Marcus Johansson(#24).The jury is still out on Anton Gustafsson(#21).Every time I see Fehr,I think how good we could have been with Getzlaf,who has already won a Cup with Anaheim and Olympic gold with Canada(as did Richards).

Posted by: roccky | July 9, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

hindsight is 20/20. fehr was a back to back 50 goal scorer in the WHL. not too shabby. who knew he would have back and shoulder injuries which would hamper his development. he definitely showed his potential this year.

as for getzlaf's cup. well, the ducks were coming of the cup finals the year he was drafted, so clearly he was on a better team from the start. this year they missed the playoffs.

not saying fehr will be better than getzlaf or richards. just that there are a million examples of team who missed on picks like this and its not exactly fair to fehr or GMGM to have to continually compare his development to getzlafs.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 9, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm not missing the point, I just think that trade proposal is a bit short-sighted. Caps are near bottom on the waivers list anyway, and there's teams out there who need him more. If it's for a straight up trade for Flash, I can think of better ways to trade Flash. I just think something needs to be said of how it betters the team, not simply if a move does better team, especially in a hard-salary cap world.

I know Gagne is one of the hot players said to be moved right now, but LA wants to dump some salary too, and #1 on that list is #1 on my list, Jarrett Stoll. If they lose out on Kovy, Semin would be a great consolation. Something can be worked out there, I think..it's up to GMGM to want to do something. Calgary is dumping, and they have Regehr and Sarich both expendable. Two rugged, stay-at-home defensemen. Both happen to be physical too. They need goals as well. Something can be worked out here as well.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 9, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat

Yeah, I understand. It is a reasonable idea and is worth discussing because it is plausible.

I would be hesitant because the added money would prevent the Caps from really adding much more. In addition, I'm not so sure about Laich at center. I know he has played there previously but I think he is playing wing because it is his stronger position.

If Lacih would work at center then it is a much more reasonable idea. But if Laich worked at center then I think the Caps should just do Semin/Laich/Fehr as their 2nd line(getting rid of Flash) and addressing their need for a shut down defensive line.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 9, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

What a steal for 2.2 million. In the 2003 draft,Fehr went #18 followed by Ryan Getzlaf at # 19(makes 5.25M)and Mike Richards at # 24(makes 5.75M).Of course,this follows the pattern of GMGM picking busts in the first round with numbers in the teens such as Steve Eminger(#12),Boyd Gordon(#17),and Brian Sutherby(#26).In 2004, GMGM did much better with the later picks(Schultz and Green),but reverted to the old GMGM in 2005 with Sasha Pokulok(#14)and Joe Finley(#27).Since then,not bad with Varly(#23),Carlson(#27)and if he makes the team this year,Marcus Johansson(#24).The jury is still out on Anton Gustafsson(#21).Every time I see Fehr,I think how good we could have been with Getzlaf,who has already won a Cup with Anaheim and Olympic gold with Canada(as did Richards).

Posted by: roccky
------
sarcasm about 26 being in the teens aside... IMHO, if you are going to bash GMGM, do it accurately or you look like a tard!

regarding your actually post above about GMGM and drafting... the draft is a craps shoot for a vast majority of the players past the mid 2nd round. Heck, even top 10 picks never play in the NHL (see Jessiman, NYR pick)

Everyone knows this yet some people seem to think that GMGM should be able to take each and every 1st round pick and turn it into seemingly an All Star.
Additionally, GMGM should also (by the same people's amounts) be able to pull an NHL player out of the 2nd, 3rd and later rounds!

GM's and owner's know that it's projecting talent, drive, careers, ambition, physical growth on TEENAGERS... yet when GMGM makes a mistake (Finley and Pokulok) he gets reemed...

HOWEVER, I rarely see those same negative nancies give him credit for Schultz, Green, Backstrom, the Eminger + pick trade to get Carlson, the 2 picks to move up and grab Semin move, Perrault, Gordon

HELL, even grabbing Laich for Bondra back in the sell-off... which by the way, TONS of fans were going "That's all you could get for Bondra, was a bordeline prospect? GM sucks! Fire Him!" Where are those people now that Laich is an absolute fan fravorite? eatting crow or being silent and still criticizing.

The draft is not a science! It is a projected calculation through research and diligence and picks will fail.

GMGM and his staff have done MUCH better than most of the league since the Ovechkin draft (and even the Semin draft) of getting players for the franchise.

I hear so much BS about GM sucking at drafting.... um, hello Carlson... Backstrom (he could have picked Kessel people), and even the 2010 draft is viewed by the experts as getting great value.

So GMGM haters... just stop... please... be positive... kind of like the old addage "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all!"

orlov, Eakin, SDR, Varly, Neuvirth... the proof (oh excuse me, I meant list) goes on...

enjoy your friday people... cheers to the caps... please be safe! :-) Frank

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 9, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

Id have no problem with them making that the second line and scrapping the whole Gagne idea. Someone brought it up so I just brought up an easier way of making it happen. There really is no shutdown D left out there right now and that is a big issue. I'd love Willie Mitchell bc he'd greatly improve our PK and hed probably cost around $3M. The only other options are really trades, so we will see what happens. And I also think adding a 2C is more important then the D right now. Easier to fit on D come the trade deadline than creating chemistry with wingers in my opinion.

Posted by: ThePat | July 9, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

@ The Pat

Yeah, I agree they may place Gagne on the waiver wire, but his denial of waiving his NTC could be nothing more than a public favor to Holmgren so as not to tip the Flyers hand in any potential trade negotiations. It's been reported that Gagne has given a list of teams he would agree to be traded to, so one way or another, he's gone.

Whatever the case, because teams get a crack at guys on the wire in inverse order of the standings, the Caps will likely never get a shot at him. A team like the Isles, who still need to add salary to reach the floor, would surely consider picking him up.

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 9, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Fehr was a good pick. He scored 21 goals last year and, barring injur, is likely to get near 30 this year.

Were there some players who were drafted after him that turned out better? Sure. However, even though it took Fehr a while I think he is turning into one of the better plaeyrs from that draft(not one of the best but one of the better). That is a solid pick.

Just because a good pick came after your own does not diminish the quality of your own pick.

For example, Tom Brady was drafted 199th in the 2000 NFL draft. Does that mean the Redskins selection of Chris Samuels at #3 overall was a bad pick? Of course not.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 9, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

@ Frank

A well put, much more detailed version of my point. I think some people forget that a side effect of becoming a good team is losing the chance at a lottery pick every year, and they think GMGM blew it just because he didn't pick a superstar in the late first round. The fact that somebody else in the late first/second rounds found a diamond in the rough does not call for throwing all the other GMs under the bus for not finding the same diamond. There is NOTHING wrong with parlaying a late first round pick into a top 6 forward.

Posted by: JS26121820 | July 9, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why Finley is being pinned as a bust. Didn't something happen to his hand and he's been on IR for a long time, all last season basically?
Plus, he was projected to spend two-years in the minors, and last year was his first year after NCAA. So, hopefully he is healthy now and ready to make another strong showing at camp and hopefully get some games in Hershey.

Is he going to be at development camp?

Posted by: richmondphil | July 9, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

The Redskins accomplished something in a draft once? Really? I'd forgotten that was possible ;)

Posted by: JS26121820 | July 9, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

@The Pat

True about the available D. Mitchell is really the only one out there now with Hjmarlasson gone.

I think D are generally easier to get, but I was looking at the potential 2011 free agents and there are a considerable amount of centers. Some will be re-signed but usually guys about to enter free agency are the prime trade targets at the trade deadline.

But #2C is very important and if a good deal came along I think the Caps should jump on it (still hoping for Bergeron).

Posted by: sgm3 | July 9, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

http://www.japersrink.com/2010/7/8/1559250/capitals-development-camp-roster

Found the list..looks like Finley will indeed be there.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 9, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Another point of view regarding the draft...

Purely hypothetical, but even if a team's GM had a fool-proof crystal ball and could pick nothing but sure stars, it might not be the panacea it would seem. How would the team possibly be able to afford to keep all that talent under the current CBA? Many more hard decisions would have to be made when it came time to re-up players' contracts, or deciding to let them go. Always having talent to use as trade bait would be a potential upshot, but an embarassment of riches could simply turn into embarassment for the GM as fans would rail against the team for not being able to hold onto all the talent even as they are forced to bring in players of lesser caliber to comply with the dictates of the CBA.

On second thought, the vitriol probably wouldn't be much worse than what's displayed here by some posters on a daily basis haha.

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 9, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

@FrankM73:

Great post! It speaks to why the Haters annoy me so much:

Absolutism.

Constructive criticism is fine. Realistic suggestions of how to improve our situation are fine. Objective analysis of why the Caps fell is fine.

But the Haters always seem to forget:

--The President's Trophy--though it pales in comparison to the Stanley Cup--is far from meaningless. You have to earn more points than 29 other teams--all of whom are doing their best to earn as many points as possible--in order to win it. Duh!
--Few teams in NHL history have managed as rapid a turnaround as the Caps have in the time since Bruce Boudreau took over coaching duties. The Jack Adams Trophy isn't awarded by "homers".
--The 2009-2010 Caps were the first non-Original Six team ever to exceed 120 points in the regular season. President's Trophy or not...Stanley Cup or not, in what possible universe does this suck?

It's when I read some moron relentlessly bad-mouthing our role-players for not having the skill sets of a superstar--even when confronted with statistical evidence proving that player's worthiness--that I get steamed.

And when some colossal idiot (often repeatedly) posts something to the effect of:

"The Caps will NEVER win the Cup until they [Fire the Coach/Fire the GM/Acquire or promote player X/Trade or waive or demote Player Y/Blow up the team/etc., etc.], blah, blah, blah"...

...well, let's just say that such posts cause my (very few) violent tendencies to come to the forefront...heh, heh, heh {sharpens War Axe}.

Nevermind whether a person is an STH, or for how long they may have been so...How can a person continue to call themselves a fan of the Caps when his/her posts clearly demonstrate a belief that everything the organization does is wrong?

'nuff said!

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 9, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Here's your 2003 first round:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2003e.html

Would have been nice to have grabbed Parise, picked one slot ahead of Fehr. But, let's wait and see.

roccky: In your "analysis" (please note the first four letters comprising the word "analysis") you forgot to include Semin at #13 in 2002.

Like all the McPhee bashers, you only note that bad and ignore the good. You are thereby dispatched to the Doofus Brigade, Company M, for McPhee bashers, and you will report to the company cmdr, Captain joek443 (sorry joek443, had to make you capt).

Please visit the supply tent and get a rifle and boots. Then, start marching. It's hot out, I know. Tough. You're in the army now, soldier.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 9, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps Varly is sending a message to Neuvy by choosing the number 1? It's going to be interesting to see how the "number 1" goalie posistion pans out.

Posted by: LloydChristmas | July 9, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Go TOM!!!!

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 9, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

@FrankM73...first of all,I put a comma after Gordon(#17) and with the "and" it meant it was not applicable to the teens,but I should have put the word "and" before Gordon's name to make it clearer.Secondly,"if you don't have anything nice to say,don't say anything at all"...what do you call"in 2004,GMGM did much better with the later picks",and "since then(2005),not bad with Varly,etc.").....trashing the guy????No one said he didn't make some "good moves",just that every time I see Fehr,I think what "coulda,shoulda,woulda" with Getzlaf or Richards

Posted by: roccky | July 9, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Have to say I'm a little disappointed in the (rumor) tha Varly is planning to give up #40.

When I started playing organized hockey in my late 30's, it seemed that everyone else had already laid claim to sweater numbers of legends (9, 7, 99, 88, etc.) or of current Caps players (e.g., 12, 32, 37, etc.).

I finally settled on a number over which I would never again have to argue--no matter what team I ended up on from one season to the next.

Hence the number 40 on nearly all of my many sweaters--and coincidentally, my "tag".

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 9, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

the NFL doesn't give a trophy to the best regular season team, neither do the NBA nor the MLB. NASCAR which has had a playoff system since 2004 doesn't give anything to the points leader of the regular season either.

I don't even know why the NHL whose regular season is arguably the most meaningless outta all these sports even bothers to recognize the best regular season team.

Posted by: joek443 | July 9, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

@Joek443... I don't care about the President's Trophy per se, I want the Caps to win the Cup! That being said it is a feather in the cap (no pun intended) for the team to have the 9th best record of all time last season. They had a disappointing playoff series, and I hope this year is different, but this is the most exciting team I ever remember in Caps history. Enjoy your team!

Posted by: boomer44 | July 9, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

@roccky:
I must say that my post / mini-rant is really not at you... it's more-so at all the constant negativity that I read/see/hear about GMGM and his drafting and choices. I just don't see how you can look at his overall drafting in the past 6-8 years and feel like he's doing even an average job.

Was teh getzlaf/fehr draft a very strong draft? Yes! but only time will tell if Fehr is better than Getzlaf career-wise.

my point is that many many other GM's do far worse in drafting than GMGM... we should be thankful... and it's really not GMGM drafting a lot... he has said he bases the picks heavily on the scouts opinions and the organization ranking of the player in a particular draft.

I for one am extremely happy with the team he's built. Losing sucks and as a player you just hate it... GMGM has done the hard part... build a really fine team... now he must be extra careful when he tweaks it!

@rhino:
thanks man. how's fairfax hockey treating you?

@JS26121820:
thanks!

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 9, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

@FrankM73:

Oh, I don't play at Fairfax Ice Arena, and I've been on hiatus for financial reasons for about a year and a half.

When I do start up again it'll probably be at either the Box in Chantilly (if inline) or Ashburn Ice House (if ice).

Thanks for asking, though.

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 9, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 9, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Modano to Minny?

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Brad-Ratgen/ESPN-Dallas-Modano-Rumored-to-be-Considering-Minnesota-Wild/78/29279

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 9, 2010 5:46 PM


Disappointing news for some (if true), but in a way it makes sense: He started out in Minnesota (with the NorthStars before they moved to Dallas), and if the story turns out to be accurate he'd finish up in Minnesota (with the Wild)...

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 9, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Dunno if anyone saw this when Capgeek put it on their site on July 2nd, so figured I'd post it...

Nine teams face 2010-11 cap penalties

http://www.capgeek.com/news/20100702-nine-nhl-teams-face-salary-cap-penalties-performance-bonuses.php

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 9, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Hey tominsocial1, GMGM's really been kicking some butt with moves like Butch Cassidy, Jagr, treating Kolzig (Who's GRIT took us to the FINALS !!)like crap, dumping Ron Wilson for no reason, and signing Fehr for too much. Fehr's summer reading should be, "How to grow a backbone for the playoffs" The Caps never did well in the play offs, but they were not wimps like this group. (The Scott Stevens disaster cloud still hangs over the franchise.) Did you people watch the close out game 5 ? Fehr avoided Gill like a "Semin". GMGM and BB need to go !! This team played like little scared boys. Nat's win the Series before a McPhee/Bruce team wins the cup. Google Butch Cassidy to see what he's up to.It's a great reflection on GMGM's ability to spot "talent".

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | July 9, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

@ Hunterforcoach

Well, well, well, so glad you could re-join us! I could say more, but I'm fairly sure my screen name says it all!

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 9, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Hey tominsocial1, GMGM's really been kicking some butt with moves like Butch Cassidy, Jagr, treating Kolzig (Who's GRIT took us to the FINALS !!)like crap, dumping Ron Wilson for no reason, and signing Fehr for too much. Fehr's summer reading should be, "How to grow a backbone for the playoffs" The Caps never did well in the play offs, but they were not wimps like this group. (The Scott Stevens disaster cloud still hangs over the franchise.) Did you people watch the close out game 5 ? Fehr avoided Gill like a "Semin". GMGM and BB need to go !! This team played like little scared boys. Nat's win the Series before a McPhee/Bruce team wins the cup. Google Butch Cassidy to see what he's up to.It's a great reflection on GMGM's ability to spot "talent".

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | July 9, 2010 10:23 PM

Wait, wait, wait! Ladies and gentlemen! I think I've figured out who Hunterforcoach is! No, it's not Cheef, or Puckguru, or StanleyCup1908, or any of our other faves. Check it out...

Okay, so does anyone remember the original "Red Dawn" movie that came out in 1984? Ya know, Russia/Cuba invade the US and a bunch of high school kids in Colorado turn guerilla and fight back? Well, there's a scene where the Air Force pilot who got shot down is talking to one of the teenagers, a character named Robert (played by C. Thomas Howell). It's wintertime, very cold out, and Robert generally holds a lotta ill will due to this situation which is largely beyond his and his compatriots' control. Here's part of the scene:

The Colonel: All that hate's gonna burn you up, kid.
Robert: It keeps me warm.

So, Hunterforcoach is actually C. Thomas Howell! Or rather, his character in that movie! I certainly had no clue that we were in such esteemed company! I do believe a round of applause is due. Bravo good sir! BRAVO!!!!!

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 9, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

un-f'n-believable
some people just can't enjoy anything without p*ssing all over it first

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 9, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Whoa! Check out some of these salaries...

Flashback: The Top 250 Salaries from 2003-04

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Steven-Hindle/Flashback-The-Top-250-Salaries-from-2003-04/139/29284

Top 3?

Forsberg, Peter
COLORADO AVALANCHE
C
$11,000,000.00

Jagr, Jaromir
WASHINGTON CAPITALS
R
$11,000,000.00 (OUCH!!!)

Fedorov, Sergei
MIGHTY DUCKS OF ANAHEIM
C
$10,000,000.00

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 9, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Hunterforcoach (aka "Lieutenant"):

First off, Company M has platoon openings for four officers. Send your resume and I think the job is yours.

Now, if you read my posts, you'd know that I said just the other day that I put McPhee in the middle of the pack for NHL GMs. Some great trades, great first round picks, but not so good on later rounds.

Also, it's apparent you're not much of a student with regards to Caps history; if you were, you'd know that did forced the Jagr deal over GM's objections. Also, anyone with at least one quarter of one eye could see that Kolzig was more washed up in late 2008 than the look on Lindsay Lohan's face after a weekend of debauchery. Had BB not switched permanently to Huet after Olie's last and immensely forgettable performance in Chicago, well, it would have been the Canes in the 8th seed that year.

See, some people go flying off the handle with absolutely no clue what they are talking about and with no facts to to back up that yawning hole that is their mouth.

Hope you are asleep as I type this as your orders came through and you have manuevers at 6 am on the parade ground.

Don't forget your Don Cherry beret.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 10, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

@Rhino40

I read your posts on your reasons for adopting #40 and your disappointment with the fact that Varly is giving it up. I too would rather see him keep #40. The number has sentimental value to me, as it was the number of one of my all time favorite pitchers in baseball. Like Varly, I had followed him when he was young. Also, like Varly, he was a Slav, even if not Russian (but his last name has actually been known to occur in Russia). The player got traded and later became a free agent and changed his number but I still remember #40 fondly and Varly's number brought back the memories.

Still, when reading the news on Varly, #1 is actually a number he wore with previous teams of his so he probably regards it as a return to his old number.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 10, 2010 12:31 AM | Report abuse

@YouAreABigWhiner

I read your list of old NHL salaries with interest and saw Fedorov's old high salary. It was most unfortunate that much of his money was lost due to trusting an incompetent financial advisor.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 10, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

@FrankM73

On all the discussions of drafts. There have been many discussions on baseball drafts as well. Baseball also tends to draft high school kids (but also many kids in college, as well.) The rule there is you either pick high school graduates or college kids who've had their 21st birthday. Generally, baseball draftees have also not been able to step into a major league lineup right off the bat. It's been accepted among fans of that sport that it's hard to project who will be a star on how they look at age 18. The same problem exists for hockey where probably a higher percentage of graduating high school age kids are drafted.

Football and basketball tend to draft the graduating kids, but basketball can draft the kids who decide to declare themselves draft eligible and who plan to skip the rest of college.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 10, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Tomincocal1, Everyone knows Kolzig was done. The man still had the right to know if he had any future with the club.Mc Phee would not even talk to a guy who's number we'll end up sending up to the rafters.Kolzig took us to the finals, something BB knows nothing about at the NHL level. Why do I know this ? I talked to Ollie himself. I show these posts to fellow season ticket holders who've been rooting for the caps for over 30 years, and their response is "They're old Redskin fans, they don't know the history of the club !" At first I didn't agree. I do now. GMGM got backed into a corner on Jagr because we can't even convince a guy who's from here (Fairfax) to play for our club. Our club has been and is so mismanaged that Jeremy Roenick would not come HOME to play. He went to Philly. Why do I know this ? I talked to J.R. about it. I got news for you old Redskin fans. GMGM is not considered a good GM around the league.I love the Caps and always will, but I've seen enough mismanagement. Google Butch Cassidy. I wonder if Butch still arrives for player meetings wearing yesterday's suit with notes written on cocktail napkins. Every owner in the league would have tossed the GM after a coaching change like that. Fire a good man like Ron Wilson for a guy the entire league knew was a drunk.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | July 10, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Then how did GMGM become a finalist for the GM of the year award, that is awarded by:

"Voting was conducted after the season among the league's 30 GMs and a panel of NHL executives, and print and broadcast media."

Posted by: sgm3 | July 10, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal

I want answers!

Posted by: JSchon | July 10, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

This is probably a dumb question, but if Ilya Kovaluchuck is already 27...why am I hearing multiple rumors he has been offered upwards of 15 yr. deals? That would put him past 40...I don't get it.

Posted by: capscoach | July 10, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Its called the Pronger/Hossa loophole contract.

Posted by: JSchon | July 10, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Talk to ex-players.Calle Johanson can't stand the guy. Calle was a work horse here for years, and unlike these Caps, he went to the FINALS. Allan May thinks that GMGM has drafted a bunch of "wimps". If you ask him, he'll flat out tell you. You could see the wimpy play at the close out game 5 at HOME. Even Locher will tell you there's no guts on this team outside of Ovi and Laich. They're slammin' the GM's picks and trades by questioning their resolve.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | July 10, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

capscoach:
JSchon is right

if kovi got $100M for 10 yrs thats a $10M cap hit per year

if you took the same contract and added 5 more years - each at $1M per year
$105M/15yrs = $7M cap hit ($3M per year saved on the cap hit)

hossa has the first 7 years at $7.9M and then the next 5 years at 4, 1, 1, 750k and 750k. the cap hit is 5.233M or almost 2.7M less than his prime playing years

pronger has 4 years in the $7M range and then 3 more years at $4M, 525k and 525k - cap hit of 4.921 is over $2M less than his prime years

if the player retires before the contract is up - he comes off the books. very few players will play into their 40's.

so if kovi signs for 15 years, make it a point to check out the last 3-5 years of that contract

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 10, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Hunterforcoach:
so they don't like the style of players drafted or traded for. so their opinion is based on their preference of a type of player. that doesn't make gmgm a bad gm - just one that they don't like.
take a peek here on CI any given day and you'll find scores of people that don't like gmgm and think he sucks.
it doesn't change the fact that since ted decided to rebuild, this team has improve every year.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 10, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

This is probably a dumb question, but if Ilya Kovaluchuck is already 27...why am I hearing multiple rumors he has been offered upwards of 15 yr. deals? That would put him past 40...I don't get it.

Posted by: capscoach | July 10, 2010 1:51 PM

The Kings and Devils are rumored to be offering contract lengths in excess of 15 years. The idea is to spread the cap hit out over many years so that the team has still has cap space to fill roster spots. A recent example is the deal signed by Marion Hossa with the Blackhawks last year (cap hit vs. actual salary can be seen here: http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=291 ). If the player decides to retire after reaching 35 years of age, the team is off the hook cap-wise for the remaining years on the contract. The contracts are front end loaded to the players advantage while the team benefits from having to pay less actual salary in the later years while also being able to get out from under a cap hit if the player doesn't play through the end of the deal.

A caveat to that is the age 35 and over rule. A recent example is the contract extension Chris Pronger signed with the Flyers (cap hit vs. actual salary found here: http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=316 ). Though he signed the extension in July 2009, prior to reaching age 35, it doesn't go into effect until 2010-11. Since he turned 35 late last year (birthdate is 10/10/74), and the contract comes into force after his 35th birthday, the Flyers will be forced to contend with the cap hit even if Pronger does not play through the end of the deal (2016-17).

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 10, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Oooooohhh big insider in our presence! With all of this supposed fly-on-the-wall "knowledge", Hunterforcoach is either Joe B., or maybe the high school janitor from "The Breakfast Club". Yeah, yeah, high school is about right. Dude is like a bunch of high school girls sitting at the lunch room table passing notes, err, uhh, text messages. Hearsay and slander will take you far in life my friend! I hear TMZ needs another "reporter".

Here ya go buddy, here's a big box of tissues to dry your eyes. Boo hoo! Cheers!

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 10, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

@Hunterforcoach

Well I was talking to Brian Burke, Ken Holland and Lou Lamerillo and all of them expressed that they believe GMGM is one of the best GMs in the NHL today.

@YouAreABigWhiner

Agree, but it's fun to play around with.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 10, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Agree, but it's fun to play around with.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 10, 2010 3:58 PM

Haha yeah, it just so happens I was cleaning out the cupboard this week and found a big, bulk box of "Troll Treats", so figured I'd share with our friends here. Good times!

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 10, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

whats up with all the childish name calling on this blog.Its sad that someone cant come and voice there OPINION on something without getting slammed for it.Sowhat if someone thinks that gmgm is worthless(which he is.in my 'opinion')and the caps will never win a cup with him as GM.Or if you dont say what tominsocal agrees with that your part of the so so stupid doofus brigade.Ive been a caps fan forever and know just enough about the caps as anyone else and I still think that GMGM is an idiot,I think that the caps should resign flash,that the caps need more people with heart instead of skill.Does that mean I'm a doofus for that being my opinion?No,its just how i feel.regardless of what i know or dont know about the caps.I'm just saying "why cant we all just get along and play nice" :) Look,it is what it is and regardless of what any of say,its gonna be there way.So put something in your pipe and smoke it and enjoy the ride the caps take us on.If you dont like the ride,GET OFF! peace,GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: gratefuldid | July 10, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

grateful: A doofus isn't a person who voices an opposing opinion. A doofus is a person who misrepresents the facts. First off, many here don't agree with me because I am in the middle. I don't think GM is best in the league, nor do I feel he's as bad as a small minority here would have you believe.

Ron Wilson was fired because, it was reported at the time, by many sources, "his message had gotten stale with the players." Should we doubt that report and blame McPhee? Hmmm. Wilson lasted 4 yrs in ANA, 5 yrs in DC and 6 yrs in SJ...hmmm...see a pattern there? Wanna bet Burke gets rid of him before 7 yrs are up? Will you blame Burke? Actually, considering how long coaches normally last, Wilson has done OK.

His time in DC had run its course just like his time had in Anaheim and then San Jose. The facts are plain - to distort them makes you a, well, doofus.

Hunterforcoach came on here and his/her first note slammed McPhee for first round drafing in the teens (Eminger, Gordo, Fehr, Pokulok sp? ). Anyway, he conveniently skipped over Semin #13 in 2002 and skipped over that Emmy got traded for Carlson and ignored that Eric Fehr is a long way from done and may end up with a better career than some who started out better. Fehr has battled many injuries, none of which I believe were evident at draft time.

The '05 draft was awful and everything after round #1, except for maybe the last few years, was bad. However, GM's trades when the team was dismantled (HFC also didn't mention that it was Ted who traded for Jagr, and he admitted as much. McPhee was against it) and subsequent deals like Witt for the pick that became Varly were paramount to the team becoming what it is today. And, Cassidy was an awful choice.

Do I drink the McPhee Kool-Aid? No. I'm really uneasy that the team has some big holes that will make it very hard, I feel, to win 4 straight best of sevens.

Agree or disagree, just put all the facts. And, as I've said, I don't own "right," so put some facts and show me where I'm wrong and, as I have said, I'll eat my words.

On another subject, I have ranted often on these cap-circumventing deals. It says right in the CBA you can't circumvent. Where's the enforcement?

BTW, the doofus brigade is for people who post really stupid things. Several times I've sent myself to the brigade. I've said the ten hail backies and the three our ovechkins each time though and I've been let out.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 10, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I'll admit, I didn't watch the Hawks much, but is this guy worth $3.5M and a 1st and 3rd pick?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niklas_Hjalmarsson

Is he better than Schultz? He doesn't have an much experience. When I watched the Playoffs, he seemed like he was their third pair guy. Anyway, I'm surprised at the amount, because the brerak point between a #2 piack as comp and a #1 and #3 as comp is like $3.2M in salary. So, I thought he'd be offered just below the break point.

The average NHL salary for #3 defenseman (not third pair, top half of second pair) is around $3M. He's being paid plenty. Will he be #3 d-man on the Sharks?

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 10, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

One more question:

YouAreaBigWhiner: I'm not doubting your word, but do you have a link on the Pronger cap hit being enforced if he retires or not? I've read several times what you are saying, but whenever I looked it up, I couldn't find an official NHL press release announcing this.

And this: I got a letter in the mail today, dated May 14th, from the state of Florida, that I owe them 75 cents for running a toll and must pay by June 4th. Now, my wife says she paid but it refused to turn green. Anyway, because the notice of violation is so delinquent in getting to me, by now I've probably been issued a citation to pay $100 and maybe even have had the license suspended. That's our government in action. As Cindy would say, like em or lump em.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 10, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

tominsocal1:
you're probably on the top 10 most wanted list by fdot and the talk at all the u.s. post office water coolers. i've never associated with such a rebel as yourself. when they catch you, don't ask me to me to be a character witness - i'll probably claim i have no knowledge of your existence

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 10, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

I'm pretty sure that the Pronger situation is a gray area that the League is not sure on and does not want to make a decision on it until it has to, if it has to(when Pronger retires).

Unfortunately the other deals do not violate the salary cap. I'm sure they will add in additional language to the next CBA to stop these but the language that says you can't circumvent the salary cap just means you cannot go over it and you cannot disobey the other rules in the CBA (such as paying them under the table, or hiring a wife to work for the team and paying her $7M/yr.)

They did not include language about the length of the contract, so legally, until new language is added to the CBA all these contracts are fine.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 10, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

I'm still waiting for a 50yr contract to a player where the last 40 yrs he is being paid the league minimum. They could do it and it is really no different than the Hossa contract except that it just has more meaningless years to spread the cap hit around.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 10, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

tominsocal: I'm not bashing on you,i actually like most of what you have to say.and you are right,a doofus is someone that gets there facts wrong when they try so much to say there right.Well its ok to be wrong but to outlash at people when you are blaintly wrong and have no reason for what is right is whats makes you a doofus.I'm just saying to the hostle people on here that think there way is the only way and there opinion is all that matters and get mad for people who voice there own should get off here and go eat some humble pie.Like i feel that i shouldnt get bashed for thinking that neuvy should be our #1 goalie,its just how i feel,dont call me an idiot or doofus for voicing my opinion,right or wrong.Not sayn that you do,its too all the people that are that way.And there are some people that act that way on here.Its a blog for jeez sake.But i also believe in world peace and i know that aint happenen no time soon either so to all the ill minded folks on here,CHILL OUT! support the team you got and GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: gratefuldid | July 10, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Hjalmarsson wasn't a 3rd pair guy for the Hawks, he was the 3rd best D-man for them after Keith and Seabrook.

I'd take him over Schultz any day.

Posted by: joek443 | July 10, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Hjalmarsson to me is similar to Josh Gorges... I'd take him over Schultz as well.

Posted by: joek443 | July 10, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

gratefuldid:

Now, you just put an opinion - Neuvy should be #1 goalie. That's an opinion, you're entitled, 1st Amendment and all that, but it's just an empty opinion. What helps is to put some facts. Like, Neuvy should be #1 because he has two straight Calder Cups and Varly always gets hurt.

But, what makes more sense, and I'm not criticising, but why should Neuvy be handed #1 goalie? Shouldn't he earn it in training camp? Oh, I see your point, you FEEL Neuvy will take the job. That's fine. You didn't say that, but it must be your conviction, cuz BB isn't going to hand either one of them anything.

We could have a poll here, which Caps goalie will get the most starts in the regular season. I feel Varly has the upper hand, but no firm grasp. In the end, they might each get about 50%. Or maybe it will be 60/40. I really don't know. It's kind of a wild card, isn't it?

How bout this: I predict the one who plays best will get the most starts. There's nostrathomas for you.

Here's another - you said the Caps should "re-sign Flash." Your words. BUT...you didn't say what they should do with him. I think they should trade him. Do I bash him as soft and worthless as some do? No. I have said, many times, Flash could be a #1LW on many teams - especially one short on scoring (ie the Wild) and if he had two gritty linemates. Flash, in DC, is buried below better wingers, and he's also keeping Fehr from moving up (and I think Fehr will be better). So, trade him for one of those "heart" guys you mentioned, some tough, gritty checking winger like Cooke who can bug the daylights out of the other team's scoring line.

Often, it's not what people say but how they say it that rankles others. I try and see all sides, but sorry, I can't see when it's extreme and misleading.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 10, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

joek443: You just posted two notes like they were from two separate posters but both were signed "joek443."

OK, fess up...who else are you? cstanton1? underpants2? cheef? larrydavid? or doughless?

Tune in at 11 as the true identity of joek443 gets revealed...

(In the old days there was a TV show called "What's My Line." We'll need to put joek443 on a new show to be called, "What's My Handle?").

He...he...he.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 10, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Haha! So we go with a fake identity to try and make ourselves look better and more liked! So pathetic!

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | July 11, 2010 12:06 AM | Report abuse

You guys come up with lawyer-like answers as to why this team stinks in the play offs. It's an 82 game preseason. I don't care what somebody looked like in the 82 game preseason. The Flyers played like their kids lives were on the line in the play offs .Talk to a retired player like May or Langway, they'll flat out tell you this group lacks desire.They don't mince words.May basically called Semin the "P" on TV at the end of game 7.We've seen the results for 3 "real seasons" now. Two game seven loses at home. This group is McPhee's now, and expept for a handful they're basically pansies. I almost wish Feds had not scored in game 7 against the Rangers. We would be done with Bruce and GMGM already.(What were we doing down 1-3 to the Rangers anyway ?)Now we'll need to wait for the Pens to dust us early again to get rid of GMGM. Lastly, I guess George is a serious candidate for GM of the year if you look at the regular season ( or should we call it the meaningless preseason) For the playoffs, Oh well just ask Mike (Game Over for the Caps) Green what he thinks.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | July 11, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Cstanton - I'm sure you were real upset to see Philly take Zherdev off the open market. Big hard nosed, bruising winger like him you woulda loved to have. You know those Euro's that are known for going to the net and taking all kinds of abuse in the crease just to get the dirty goals!

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | July 11, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Hunterforcoach:

You have issues. My daughter has a doctorate in clinical psychology. Maybe she can help.

Meanwhile I just talked to Langway and he said to ignore you. So..................

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 11, 2010 1:06 AM | Report abuse

@ tominsocal1

Re: Pronger 35+ contract, found this link:

Daly says Pronger contract an 'over-35' deal...

http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2009/7/8/941881/daly-pronger-contract-an-over-35

and this link:

The problem with the Pronger contract...

http://www.fromtherink.com/2009/7/9/942924/the-problem-with-the-pronger#17984199

Seemed to be some debate as to the intention of the wording in the CBA whether the rule applies to the age of the player at the time of the signing vs the time the contract comes into force. Whatever, the case, it was ruled an 'over 35' contract and the Flyers did not dispute it, though I'm sure Holmgren was not super happy at that turn of events.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 11, 2010 1:13 AM | Report abuse

I have to say this, one more thing, but four or five posters here, or maybe one person with multiple IDs and some real issues, and I am sensitive to these issues, it's in the family, but I swear if I didn't know any better than some of the poster(s) here were beaten up on the playground by George McPhee when they were kids.

Really and truly, it's so stupid and trite, I almost am believing it can't be but one person with multiple IDs. For chrissake he's just a GM of a hockey team. Call him an idiot for picking Sasha Pokulok - fine. Say he's a jerk for not letting Kolzig stay in goal until Olie threw off his catching glove and said, "I'm done." Say he ruined our chances for five straight Cups due to the Nylander signing. Fine. But some here are putting McPhee almost on a level with Osama bin Laden, Kenny Lay and the Frito Bandito (disclaimer: I had my Fritos stolen as a child).

My daughter, the clinical psychologist, can help you. She has established a website, IHateMcPhee&CantStop.com. Group therapy sessions are being planned for multiple DC locations where roundtable discussions will isolate the hows and whys of your hostility. In private sessions, you will learn to hold a hockey stick and not hate the world. Finally, you will come to grips with the notion that it is OK to love your team but not hate everything about it.

If you want to attend these sessions, and some of you need to, please sent your credit card info to tomtheshyster@collections.com.

Don't let another day go by without the help you truly need. McPhee haters of the world: Yes! You can kick the habit!

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 11, 2010 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Tominsocal1,Half of the Caps team plays like Ph.D's., so your sister might understand them. Have her explain how a head case like Mike Green belongs on the Canadian Olympic Team. (Something GMGM openly pushed for.)Let's probe deep into the minds of Semin and Flash to find out what exactly it is they're thinking during a play off game. I'm starting to realize that you guys just read the net and don't talk to poeple who live or have lived this stuff.The old Caps are very easy to talk hockey with. Most of you guys would not recognize them, since you were only Skins fans back then.Old time Caps fans are sick of the player excuses and poor management.Every year some average goalie like Halak turns into Patrick Roy during our playoff run (Tugnut, Hrudy, Burke, etc,etc.etc.)The Ph.D. could also drag out of Bruce's subconsious why no adjustments were made on the power play. B.Mo is telling the truth. No adjustments ! The one time we really faced an awesome goalie, we beat him. Oh, I forgot you guys don't like Ron Wilson, and don't care how he got us past Hasek. Oh well, go on with the chatter about cap space and how Fehr is a BEAST !!!

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | July 11, 2010 1:53 AM | Report abuse

MetalCapsFan: Thanks. As it is, my goal in life is to live long enough to see the Flyers suffer the long-term, salary cap ramifications of the Pronger contract extension.

Beyond that time, when hopefully the entire city of Philadelphia is in ruins, being nothing good ever came from there save Grace Kelly, OK and maybe those cheesesteak subs, God in Heaven are they good, especially with the fried onions, and Mike Schmidt, you gotta respect a guy like that, and Benjamin Franklin, him too, I mean, it wouldn't be the United States without Ben on the hundred.

You know, I spent a month in Philadelphia one week. It wasn't so bad because I got to go to Bookbinder's several times. I was working on a proposal and it was Oct, 1983 and I got out just in time to drive back to Baltimore and watch the Orioles close out the Phillies. It was funny driving south on 95 and going through the toll booths in Delaware because it was like "GO PHILLIES!" at one booth and then just a few miles south (Delaware's motto on toll collecting is, "Early and Often") at the next toll it was like "GO O'S!"

This was like several life times ago. tominsocal1 at this point after knocking back two bottles of wine (ok, so mrstominsocal1 had at least one glass somewhere) is feeling a bit nostalgic with his three daughters born in Balto and LI and so much time there incl teaching them street hockey and all and my one daughter today as we are driving through Bouquet Canyon outside LA saying how she can hardly remember all the places she went to as a kid in Bel Air MD and how she'd like to see them and me, remembering, how cute she was when I made her RW on the street hockey team and so forth and how, at the practice rink in Crofton, she'd fall all over the ice and come home soaking wet and I'd get yelled at by mrstominsocal1.

And she said while we were driving, "I sure wish hockey started today."

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 11, 2010 2:13 AM | Report abuse

hfc: You have invented an incredible amount of false information. First, you need to tell us about your meds - which ones and what are the doses. What in God's name ever gave you the impression I was for the Deadskins? OK, I don't hate them as much as Yanks, Phils, Flyers, Rangers, Pens, Cowboys, Steelers, etc. Mostly because the Skins have been pitiful for most of my life, but respectable for the other part that they weren't.

Why is Mike Green a head case? He's a young man establishing himself in his profession. Two Norris Trophy runners-up already. What's not to like?

I've been rooting for Caps since '80. I liked Ron Wilson. See my note earlier. His schtick wore out in DC like Anaheim and San Jose. If you blame McPhee for firing him, blame all the other GMs who fired him also. And blame Burke when Wilson gets canned later this year.

Fehr will net 300 goals over the next 10 years. I've said this before and I'll say it again and I'll put $1000 on it.

tom_orem@yahoo.com.

Wanna bet? Put your money where your mouth is. Tell me where you'll be June, 2020 and we can settle up.

What else...oh, the thing with BB and no adjustments. You are right on that one. I posted as Caps were losing and Bears were clawing back that the difference was Bears made the adjustments to stop other team from clogging the slot and Caps didn't. I agree, BB has a blind spot on that. Some people here say BB will get canned before Caps win it and others poo-pah that and I am on the fence. I think he is a super coach but has blind spots. Is there a better coach for the Caps? Yes, one, Scotty Bowman, and he's not coming back. Best to you and your issues.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 11, 2010 2:36 AM | Report abuse

I'm starting to wonder if some of our regular haters are creating multiple ID's.

Its getting beyond ridiculous around here.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 7, 2010 7:33 PM |

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 11, 2010 7:16 AM | Report abuse

@wtf_e_fehr

On the haters, at least we've been spared from SC1907 and Cheef lately.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 11, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

It's a lazy Sunday, no hockey, and development camp doesn't start until tomorrow. So I spent the better portion of an hour reading this thread.

Whew. A lot of hate being spewed but thank goodness that there many rational voices as well--and by rational I don't mean apologists but posters who can make a logical argument reflecting critical judgement and a more nuanced view of what the Caps need.

Now according to some my appreciation for the saner voices would make me one those fancy lawyer type (which I'm not) since I appreciate a well-thought and solidly constructed argument as opposed to a polemic rant in a single block paragraph with poor grammar and syntax.

Really how long anyone has been a Caps fan is irrelevant to the discussion of what the Caps may or may not need, who should be signed/not signed, Caps drafting history, or whether McPhee is the best, worst, or more realistically an above average GM.

It's time for many of you to do as tominsoccal1 so humorously suggests: "Say a dozen Hail Backies and three Our Ovechkins and you shall be forgiven."

And remember we are all Caps fans and dam* lucky to have the best player in the NHL committed to playing out his prime years wearing a Caps jersey. He won't be doing a Lebron James to this town. But it is up to McPhee to construct a team that can help Ovi win--he can't do it alone. So discuss what's needed to bring a Cup to DC--stop yelling and spewing silliness.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | July 11, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

hfc =
hate finesse caps
half full cranium
hardly follows caps
has frustrated comments

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 11, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: casser | July 11, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone have any World Cup thoughts? Netherlands? They have not lost a game yet. Spain?

Posted by: MReilly9 | July 11, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have any World Cup thoughts? Netherlands? They have not lost a game yet. Spain?

Posted by: MReilly9 | July 11, 2010 1:13 PM

I think that if a guy in hockey did a flying karate kick into another players chest he'd be thrown outta the game. No red card for that? Really?

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 11, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

1. Mike Green is a head case. Great players don't struggle with their identity on the field of play like he seems to. He is more of an "enigma" than Semin. You cannot win anything with him as your number one d-man. you can live with him as your number 2 or 3 but NOT as your top blueliner. it's like asking Larry Murphy to be your number one d-man. Green might join Murphy in the HOF one day but like Murphy, neither is capable of being an anchor of any defense.

2. I thought LeBron should have stayed in Cleveland till I saw the reaction of their owner Dan Gilbert. Then I changed my mind, he made the right decision leaving that lunatic and the sorry city. The Cavs were the best regular season team in the NBA last two years but they will become one of the worst teams without him in the lineup. if that doesn't show how good he really is, nothing ever will.

Posted by: joek443 | July 11, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

3. I can't stand the off-side rules in soccer. it's stupid and ridiculous. it takes skills sneak behind the defense but they somehow wanna punish it. they should just have their version of the blue lines and rule off-sides that way.

Posted by: joek443 | July 11, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I was rooting for Netherlands, but only because I don't like Spain.

@joek443

Remember how much crap you were trying to give me for stating the Flyers were going to win the East last year..around the time they were down 3-1 to the Bruins. You seemed to be quite, quite fond of the Flyers now. :)

Posted by: richmondphil | July 11, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

And, to clarify, I'm not gloating over making a prediction one year after it happens. I find it incredibly funny that you were trying to give me crap for that prediction. Now that the prediction has turned out to become true, you have pulled a complete 180.

After the regular season ended and the Flyers slid into the 7th seed, you decided to give me crap about how I was an idiot for picking the Flyers. Basically, you were basing their potential playoffs on their regular season showing. Yet, when people think the Caps would do well based on their regular season record, you call them retards and cite how the playoffs are a different atmosphere. You also decided to bombard me with troll-like comments about how I was an idiot for picking the Flyers when they were down 3-1 to the Bruins. I certainly would have never predicted for them to come back, but I also certainly would not have decided to call out all the other posters who said otherwise.

You also repetitively said that the Caps would've steamrolled the Flyers in the playoffs. (This was quickly reversed to state the opposite after the Flyers went to the Finals.)

Folks, it seems the definition of irony can again be drawn out just by reading joek443's comments.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 11, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

LMAO you also said the Razor Emery would win the Vezina or the Conn Smythe... you totally got lucky with that prediction.

I never denied that I thought the Caps would beat the Flyers in the playoffs. I fought with guys like cstanton1 just about every day before the playoffs started.
but unlike the HOMERS on here, I'm not in denial. I SAW what happeneded in the playoffs and realize now that what they're doing will never work in the playoffs.

Posted by: joek443 | July 11, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Yes, too many of us have become nattering nabobs of negativity, as of late.

Collectively, we have experienced a lot of frustration with the team over the years, with all the early playoff exits, some of the really horrible teams; etc. Admittedly, the great regular season followed by an ignominious first round defeat felt like a sucker punch in the gut.

The team does have flaws. Yes, I admit that. So do many of our main rivals.

Even though our style needs to be tweaked for the playoffs, there are certain types of teams our team does worse against and certain types they do better. The ones they tend do worse against are NJ and Montreal. They need to make the adjustments to beat teams like them.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 11, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

nattering nabobs of negativity
nice

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 11, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

The 2010-11 season begins tomorrow! I feel an illness coming on that will prevent me from working the next few days.

Has there been any indication of which players are in the two groups for the Camp?

Posted by: zmega | July 11, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

There are not multiple McPhee haters. I've read the blog for years and just could not stand the PcPhee "love-in" anymore. I know Ron Wilson would have eventually been fired,but to replace him with Butch. Can you imagine Scotty Bowman getting dropped off for the team flight by an "exotic dancer" from Good Guys.Butch thought no one would see him if he rolled his bags in
from the rear of the lot.Did McPhee vet this guy at all ? No,not really. Let's here an excuse for this hiring. In a real hockey town you're done after a hire like that. As for Green, he's 24.Toews is what 21, and an MVP. Green has got to get it togeather mentally for a great play off run, and stop moaning about the Norris and Olympics. Bang a cup ring on Stevie Y's door next time and you'll make the team.(Green also needs to get into the best shape of life, and force his way onto the team.)You folks who want to pass us off as just haters haven't been digesting these playoff disasters. 7 game 7 home losses is more than any other franchise. Detroit has 6 game 7 home losses, but they have 16 game 7 home wins. We're pathetic. Change the GM.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | July 11, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 11, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Capt.K. Looking forward to hear everyone's scouting reports.

Posted by: zmega | July 11, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

@Hunterforcoach

What is your point? You are rambling. Make an argument, then back it up by facts. Don't just flail about with mangled gossip from days of yore then oddly switch to a rant about Green.

You will never be taken seriously here if you don't at least attempt to write something more than a diatribe. There are other negative posters who don't care for the way this team has been constructed, but at least some of them attempt analysis and persuasion. And they do get a valid discussion going. You might try it.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | July 11, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Capsyoungguns:
those who hate just for the sake of hating... are who they are. i just hope i can get enough entertainment out of them until the season starts.
the next 6 days should be all about dev camp. i'm looking forward to seeing some 'on ice' coverage for a change

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 11, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

@joek443

Um...exactly right. My point is that predictions mean absolutely nothing, and the fact that you tried to give me crap about one that actually happened to turn out correct is...well, that's pretty funny.

I have only referred to Emery as "Rayzor" in a very jokingly and sarcastic fashion...hence, why I call him Rayzor and not just by his name. I also specifically remember only using this sarcastic, joking tone when I was talking with kittypawz, since we used to talk about Emery in the past. Anyways, even if I had actually, truly meant that he would win Vezina or Conn Smythe, why is that so funny? A guy I jokingly predicted to win a trophy didn't get a chance to win either trophy because he got injured. Is that what's supposed to be funny? A prediction I made didn't happen because the player got injured? Okay...you got me..I guess...

Posted by: richmondphil | July 12, 2010 4:11 AM | Report abuse

Just my two cents on this whole thing, I just think the blanket stereotypes being thrown out isn't helping the situation. I am so sick of reading the word homer being used on a Capitals blog. Really, that's about the most unoriginal, played-out sports comeback ever. Then, you've got others throwing a blanket of negativity around others. I just think you all should chill out with the black and white judgments and just take the comments as they come. We don't need the sports cliche and we don't need to here how one is constantly negative..just evaluate the comment and move on.

I've been called a negative, Caps hater by the likes of fanohock1 and I've been called a homer by cstanton1, when really, I'm just a Caps fan typing my comments as I see fit, not everything doesn't have to be black and white. Maybe the discussion would flow a little better here if everyone didn't have some preconceived notion of the poster prior to reading the comment, no?

@Hunterforcoach

Type better.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 12, 2010 4:26 AM | Report abuse

You folks who want to pass us off as just haters haven't been digesting these playoff disasters.
Posted by: Hunterforcoach |

Knock it off with the "I've been here longer" shtick. Most of us here are passionate Caps fans, and have been for a long time....a lot of us since the inaugural season or since our birth.
I would say something else, but reference capsyoungguns reply.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 12, 2010 4:34 AM | Report abuse

Even the most knowledgeable fan knows VERY little compared to those in the Caps organization - little in comparison to the workings of management, coach player relationships and strategies, and playing the game at such a high level. Why so many fans get worked up with each other is beyond me. I try to offer a few positive comments/opinions now and then or come to the defense of somebody being bashed, but then I let it go. People need to realize that they have no idea who they are communicating with - without being condescending, one may be ranting at a middle school kid, someone with a lower iQ, a dumbass just looking for a fight, or a Pens fan just trying to piss you off (and succeeding). IGNORE THEM. Now... as for my opinion on how the boys look for next year, I am fairly philosophical about this. We've got a better chance than many teams with the players we've got. Glad they signed Gordo, Schultz, Fehr, etc. and hope they can land Flash. These guys have character and belong on this organization. We are lucky to not have an Avery on the team. Screw the likes of Kovalchuck and Hossa who bounce around in search of slightly bigger bucks or a slightly better chance at the Cup. Screw the notion of bringing in a "savior" such as a Pronger type. Many of them turn into busts. Status Quo. As for this screaming for the Cup from many posters - enjoy the game! This is a great sport here and too many focus on the grand prize as opposed to the 84 game season. Of course I await the day I see it hoisted by the Caps, but to me it's not the end-all. I hate the early exits more for the fact that I have a longer summer without hockey here in town. Lastly, true fans SUPPORT their team. It's one thing to shake your head in disbelief or mutter a few words in anger, but to bash these players like they only play for you is ridiculous. They want to win that Cup a bit more than you. They are hungry - that doesn't mean they can just skate out on the ice, score a few great goals, make a few spectacular saves, and bring us the Cup. They are up against equal skill and a great deal of luck. Winning the Cup is not about putting a team together with a formula. It is much more than many of the fans here seem to understand or appreciate.

Posted by: gonchpup | July 12, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Joek...Larry Murphy was on 4 cup winning teams...he was the final piece in both Pitt and Det for those teams.

Posted by: RichC3 | July 12, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I seek out Capitals Insider every single day because it's a place where us die-hard hockey fans can get our fix of Caps hockey during the season and the off-season. I'm just glad that there are so many passionate fans of hockey in this usually non-hockey town... All I can say is "I cannot WAIT until the season starts!". There is nothing better than hockey season, and sharing the passion for hockey with other hockey fans year round...

Posted by: sca187 | July 12, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

We're pathetic. Change the GM.
------------

here's what I think will happen. And before the overly simplistic "hater" comments get flung around, shove it.

I think the Caps will take a step back in 2010. Whatever that term means, it will happen. Whether in perception or actual reality. By this time next season there will be serious discussion about McPhee's ability to push this team to the next level. And the rest of you will catch on to what a few of us already know. McPhee's job is pretty safe right now for some of the reasons outlined by other posters. He has generated interest in the Caps and provided what some (not me) may call a highly entertaining product that fits within papa Ted's budget. McPhee doesn't make waves, he's not a polarizing force, he fits in as a good safe bet (for now).

And whether or not I think the way this team plays is entertaining is moot. I don't think its a successful system stylistically or personnel-wise. And that's why I think the "fire McPhee" talk will gain more momentum next offseason - by fans and media. There's no guarantee of course that the next GM will be any better. But I feel very comfortable stating that the current one is not the answer. And patience as preached isn't what's required here. Vision and foresight is what is required by the owner.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 12, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Google Butch Cassidy. I wonder if Butch still arrives for player meetings wearing yesterday's suit with notes written on cocktail napkins. Every owner in the league would have tossed the GM after a coaching change like that. Fire a good man like Ron Wilson for a guy the entire league knew was a drunk.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach


Ron Wilson was horrible though. He was fired much too late himself. I had no problem with the RW firing.

Butch was a terrible hire but the leading candidates back then I think were Brian Trottier, Ted Nolan, and Butch was the darkhorse that no one had heard of. It only took about 30 mins of research looking at his coaching style in Grand Rapids to figure out what kind of style he favored. And even before he flamed out, his resume to me was not at all impressive despite his win-loss record. He coached a vanilla powderpuff brand of hockey and the way he brought in stiffs like Ivan Ciernik only further cemented that reputation.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 12, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

1. Mike Green is a head case. Great players don't struggle with their identity on the field of play like he seems to. He is more of an "enigma" than Semin. You cannot win anything with him as your number one d-man. you can live with him as your number 2 or 3 but NOT as your top blueliner. it's like asking Larry Murphy to be your number one d-man. Green might join Murphy in the HOF one day but like Murphy, neither is capable of being an anchor of any defense.
--------------------------

I think Green is definitely prima-donnesque. And I blame the Caps for a lot of that. He wasn't encouraged to be a well rounded dman. They wanted his offensive points and they screwed up his development by allowing him to ignore some of the fundamentals of the game. Basically , they did him a huge disservice. Contrast that with how the Flames for ex raised Suter and MacInnis, two young offensive dmen.

But all that being said, Green showed me a lot of character when he took it upon himself (no thanks to BB or GM), when he decided to pay attention to his defensive game following the Yzerman snub. Not once did you hear anything from the Caps regarding his newfound commitment to playing defense and the fact that he suddenly went from finishing one check a game to 3 or 4 registered hits. That kinda stuff is obviously not valued by this org and all they look to Green for is his offensive production. Even McPhee during the Habs series said he pulled Green aside to tell him not to worry about playing so physically. Wow. What a freaking tool. You finally get the kid to play some inspired energetic hockey thru no help from his coach or GM and you try to reign that part of his game in during the playoffs.

btw, agree wholly on Murphy. He was NEVER an anchor of defense for any team he played on. He filled in a specific role, that was it.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 12, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

**reign* = rein

my writing skills have been horrible lately.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 12, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Even the most knowledgeable fan knows VERY little compared to those in the Caps organization
------------------

every coach or GM who has ever run a team knows more about the inner workings of that team than any fan or outside analyst. If you take that to mean that this inner knowledge also equals being smarter than anyone else who is outside that loop, then it's safe to say that NO fan EVER has EVER made ANY valid criticisms of their respective team's coaching or front office management.

so if you choose to always operate under that assumption, we should just pack up our criticisms and pull out the pom-poms because there is obviously never any basis to question what your team's management is doing.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 12, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Actually, most of the "negative" posters make some really good points - joek, cstanton and underpants. All three are knowledgeable. The problem is they don't ever say what's good. Caps got 121 pts last year, so it can't be all bad.

-----------------

I don't really need to point out what's good. Most of you do that enough ad nauseum (and I'm sure vice-versa). Obviously the fact the Caps led the NHL in points last yr speaks for itself without me or anyone else having to point that out. I've never said the Caps are an awful team. My point is, the guy running the team doesn't get some core concepts on what it takes to field a successful playoff team. And now that the bar has been raised for what can be considered forward progress, McPhee has hit the end of the line. He'll start getting some much-deserved criticism from folks not named cstanton or underpants or joek (who btw until the 1st round collapse this year was on the other side of the argument).

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 12, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

If Philly walks away from Carcillo's arbitration ruling the Caps will certainly NOT get involved.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | July 9, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

right, because Carcillo's such a horrible player....

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 12, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

The comments to this entry are closed.

 
 
RSS Feed
Subscribe to The Post

© 2010 The Washington Post Company