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Schultz re-signs; Nylander on waivers (updated)

The Caps have re-signed restricted free agent Jeff Schultz, I'm told, and thus will avoid salary arbitration.

The deal is worth $11 million over four years and will pay the defenseman $2.5 million in each of the first two years and $3 million in the final two years for a $2.75 million per season average.

Schultz led the NHL in plus/minus last season with a plus-50 rating. The 24-year-old also racked up three goals and 20 assists in 73 games while skating alongside Mike Green.

With Schultz and Boyd Gordon back in the fold, that leaves Tomas Fleischmann and Eric Fehr as the team's remaining unsigned RFAs. Both have filed for arbitration.

In other news, Michael Nylander was placed on waivers at noon.

The move seems to have been made simply to see if there are any teams out there willing to take the veteran center off the Caps' hands. It could be a viable option for a financially strapped club that's struggling to make it to the salary cap floor since Nylander's cap hit next season ($4.875 million) is greater than his salary ($3 million).

Update: The Caps just announced two minor league signings. Click here for the news release.

Update: Here's some of what Schultz had to say about his new deal:

I kinda saw salary arbitration as a precautionary measure in case something didn't get done, so we weren't kind of left with nothing. I'm real glad we were able to get a deal done before [arbitration]. It does take away one year of UFA but I'm happy with where the numbers were and was willing to give up that one year."

Update:Deadline rental Joe Corvo has signed a two-year, $4.5 deal to return to Carolina, the 'Canes announced this afternoon.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  July 7, 2010; 12:28 PM ET
 
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Underwhelming but not surprising, I guess.

Posted by: ChaosRogue | July 7, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

can't remember who guessed what but that's acceptable... especially at 4 years, he'll only get better!

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=326855

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 7, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

This price was a little high. I think Ted might have got ripped off on this one but oh well, what can you do? We could have probably got someone much better for 2.75 mil.

Posted by: LloydChristmas | July 7, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I think that is a good contract for the Caps. I think tominsocal had him penciled in for around $2.5, but this keeps Schultz at $2.75 for 4 years and he is likely to keep on improving too.

I think this is a very good signing as Schutlz will be a very strong 2nd pairing defenseman for the next 4 years.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 7, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

In addition, the fact that the Caps have some more cost certainty now will make it easier for them to proceed in other pursuits. They still need to see what will happen with Fehr and Flash, but now they have a much better idea where they stand salary cap wise.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 7, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

You think he could hire someone to teach him how to take the body and clear the crease for that amount of cash??

Posted by: PhilR | July 7, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Within two seasons Jeff Schultz will be on the third pairing of the Washington Capitals and will be earning $2.75 million. HUGE MISTAKE.

Mike Green, John Carlson and Karl Alzner will assuredly be higher on the depth chart. Eventually someone will realize that the team is in need of a high end veteran on the back line. Schultz gets bumped to third line duty.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | July 7, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

It would be nice to see Nylander "off the books" completely but I can't see any team being quite that desperate.

It's just a shame Sarge doesn't have the personality makeup to throw his very ample size (6'6", 230 lbs.) around. He's the same height and a few pounds heavier than Chris Pronger but no one would ever compare their playing styles or strengths.

Posted by: blackjack65 | July 7, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I agree that in 2 years Schultz may be on the 3rd line, but that will be because of the strength of the 1st and 2nd lines (Green/UFA D, Carlson/Alzner, Schultz/someone else)

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 7, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

4 years? This guy is terrible.

Posted by: ButterSchultz | July 7, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

@freakinandpeakin

In two years Schultz will be a veteran.

The $2.75M is less than 1/20 of the salary cap. So he is making about the average salary for a team spending towards the cap. (the cap will increase more in the following years too)

Posted by: sgm3 | July 7, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Frank,

55/Orlov.

Posted by: Steve_R | July 7, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

In two years Schultz should be bagging groceries not playing hockey..

Posted by: ButterSchultz | July 7, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I will put up a new cap sheet shortly, but this is just where I had him pegged. Fehr and Schultz I had 2.25 for 1, 2.5 for 2, 2.65 for 3, 2.85 for 4 and $3m/yr for 5 yrs. Fehr should be at almost the same amount. Flash I had 2.75 for 1, $3m for 3 or $19M for 6 yrs (Olesz).

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 7, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

there is ZERO guarantee the cap will rise. It could decrease for all we know. Its revenue based. If theres no increase in revenue it goes nowhere, and would probably decrease a little bit.

Posted by: ThePat | July 7, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Assuming he stays on the second pairing (and he plays well enough for it), this is a good deal and maybe a bit below market. Schultz is an above average d-man with upside, and they always command a premium.

Posted by: wmsheppa | July 7, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

glad to see all the hockey "experts" on here to say things like "This guy is terrible." Watch a caps game or two please.

Anybody who knows anything should realize how much Jeff has improved over the last two years, and having just turned 24 (which, btw, is pretty young in terms of NHL defenseman development), he projects to be a very solid stay-at-home defenseman. Better to sign him now for 4 years instead of for one year (or arbitration), only to see him repeat & improve next year and post another huge +/- number...then the price goes up.

And IF Schultz is on our third line in a year or two, I see that as a good thing...i.e., that would mean our first 2 lines are better and how is that a bad thing?

Posted by: pachanga74 | July 7, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Pretty interesting move here. Seems like a pretty high price tag, considering the outcome of last years playoffs?!?!

Posted by: j3rockstar | July 7, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

@SteveR:

god would I love to see these are our top 6 in three years:
Green
W.Mitchell (or similar shutdown D)
Carlson
Alzner
Schultz
Orlov

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 7, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Someone will have to explain to me why the Caps are throwing money at a big defensement who won't use his size to physically punish anyone and who makes Chris Pronger look like Anton Ohno in the speed department. For Eric Fehr? A good deal. For Flush or Slo-mo Schultz? A waste of good money.

Posted by: Exile_in_Philly | July 7, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

D take longer to develop and this is a good signing as Schultz has continued to develop. I do think it spells the end of Flash from the fact he is far apart on numbers and going to arbitration.

Note this, if Carlson continues to develop and Green wants crazy, Campbell money, in a few years then look for Green to be the one that goes.

Posted by: flee001 | July 7, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

sgm: I had him lower with less years. ThePat: If the league gets a new TV deal, cap will increase eventually.

Ovechkin (2008-2021) 9.538
Backstrom (2010-2020) 6.700
Semin (impending UFA) 6.000
Knuble (impending UFA) 2.800
Flash (if signs 1 yr - impending UFA) 2.750
Fehr (if signs 1 yr - impending RFA) 2.250
Laich (impending UFA) 2.067
Chimera (2009-2012) 1.875
Steckel (2010-2013) 1.100
Bradley (impending UFA) 1.000
B. Gordon (impending UFA) 0.800
Perreault (impending RFA) 0.717
A. Gordon 0.700
S/T 13 Forwards 38.297
Green (2008-2012) 5.250
Poti (impending UFA) 3.500
Schultz (2010-2014) 2.750
Alzner (w/bonus; impending RFA) 1.675
Erskine (impending UFA) 1.250
Carlson (EL 2009-2012) 0.817
Sloan (2010-2012) 0.700
S/T 7 Defensemen 15.942
Varlamov (impending RFA) 0.822
Neuvirth (impending RFA) 0.822
S/T 2 Goalies 1.644
Total 22 Players 55.883
Cap Space 59.400
Available 3.517
Available not Including Flash&Fehr 8.517

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 7, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Here's your advanced version of the 2011-2012 cap with some signings, like Laich and Bradley, projected:

Ovechkin (2008-2021) 9.538
Backstrom (2010-2021) 6.500
Semin (re-signs 2011-2016) 6.200
Laich (re-signs 2011-2015) 3.900
Flash (if signs 3 yrs 2010-2013) 3.000
Fehr (if signs 4 yrs 2010-2014) 2.750
Chimera (impending UFA) 1.875
Bradley (re-signs 2011-2013) 1.200
Steckel (2010-2013) 1.100
Johansson (EL signed 2010) 0.900
Perreault (impending RFA) 0.850
Eakin (EL signed 2009) 0.740
Della Rovere (EL signed 2009) 0.570
S/T 13 Forwards 39.123
Green (impending RFA) 5.250
Schultz (2010-2014) 2.750
Alzner (re-signs 2011 - impending RFA) 1.000
Carlson (2010-2013) 0.846
Orlov (guess) 0.800
Finley (guess) 0.800
Sloan (impending UFA) 0.700
S/T 7 Defensemen 12.146
Varlamov (re-signs 2011-2015) 3.000
Neuvirth (resigns 2011 - impending RFA) 1.000
S/T 2 Goalies 4.000
Total 22 Players 55.269
Cap Space (from 2010-11) 59.400
Available 4.131

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 7, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

The more I think about it, the more I realize that this was a terrible deal for the Caps. Carlson and Alzner are already better than Shultz and now we have that clutz for 4 years? WTF? It's like the Nylander situation all over again.

Posted by: LloydChristmas | July 7, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

@pachanga74 Schultz is one of the reasons Green was so productive during the regular season this year. He was able to cover for him and hang back while Green did his thing. Schultz will never put up tons of points, isn't a huge hitter, and may not lead the league in shot blocking, but his positioning is excellent, he's young, and his cap hit is on the low end of what you'd expect to pay a top 4 defenseman. I really don't see how there's a downside to this deal at all.

Posted by: wmsheppa | July 7, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

what a waste of money! I'm very sad today, this guy is a bum! I love GMGM, but this one really upsets me, even more than Gordon.

Posted by: Squigsfan83 | July 7, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Tarik - If Nylander clears waivers, can he be released? If so I'm guessing that clears the additional cap space??

Posted by: pch49 | July 7, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Fehr is better than Schultz IMO but hasn't yet proved it due to injury. He might take a little less accordingly, and maybe only one year so he can prove his worth this year and then get the 4-yr deal.

I'd rather they sign him long term now.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 7, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ButterSchultz | July 7, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

So in place of Schultz we sign an overpriced free agent for five years at 4-5mil a year??? So many of you are digging the grass on the other side, guess what ... it's not always greener.

Posted by: flee001 | July 7, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I hope he starts getting nastier. Live up to that big nasty billing!

Posted by: richmondphil | July 7, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Rob Neidermayer would have been a good 3rd line center. He signed with the Sabres.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 7, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

@Lloyd...give some examples of better defensemen available for 2.75 million average, who are not on their ELC? How is this like the Nylander situation? Nylander was a good gamble at the tiem and was performing until a major shoulder injury, when he came back their was a different coach with a different evaluation on Nylander. Nyls was 34 turning 35 and a UFA, Schultz is 24 and an RFA. What is your reasoning behind that statement?

Posted by: boomer44 | July 7, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

@pch49 All NHL contracts are guaranteed. Nylander gets paid pretty much no matter what. He can be off the cap by being buried in the AHL or being allocated to Europe (what happened last year so he didn't count against the cap), but he can't be released. The Caps didn't buy him out because the buyout counts against the salary cap.

Posted by: wmsheppa | July 7, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

there is ZERO guarantee the cap will rise. It could decrease for all we know. Its revenue based. If theres no increase in revenue it goes nowhere, and would probably decrease a little bit.

Posted by: ThePat | July 7, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

they will be in the last year of the next to nothing TV deal with Versus this upcoming season so it's safe to assume that their national TV revenue will incease substantially.

Posted by: joek443 | July 7, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Tarik - If Nylander clears waivers, can he be released? If so I'm guessing that clears the additional cap space??

Posted by: pch49 | July 7, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

no getting released. it means he can be assigned to the caps minor league affiliate (unlikely) or loaned out to another team (like last year). the only way to release someone totally is to buy them out, but that has cap implications so the caps wont do it. he doesnt count against the cap so long as hes not on the active roster, but he still gets his $3M salary guaranteed.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 7, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Someone will have to explain to me why the Caps are throwing money at (Schultz)...

Posted by: Exile_in_Philly | July 7, 2010 1:04 PM

There are plenty of valid points made in many previous posts. Don't ask someone else to do your work for you.

Posted by: Fro_ | July 7, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Just so you all know, $2.75M is about the average salary ($59.4M cap space divided by 22-23 slots per team).

Buying out some UFA years at that rate isn't bad for an "average" player. Here, the 2.5 for this year would make him 90th for NHL d-men based on last year's salaries:

http://content.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=4

Since the top 60 d-men are "first pair" and the 61-90 are ("top half second pair"), then Schultz at #90 is a mid-2nd pair defenseman - average.

He isn't being paid for 1st pair. The salary is not out of whack compared to the league average. Plus he got a little extra for Rolaids +/- winner, like it or not.

End of story...now, where's news on Fehr signing?

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 7, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

I agree with your take on Fehr. He only has one year of full production he can base his value off of and his injury history will surely lower his value some for longer contracts.

I think this would be the ideal year to get him signed to a 3 year deal. Because, barring injury, I can see him scoring more than 30 goals next year.

@ThePat

The NHL's tv deal ends after this year. It is all but guaranteed that the NHL will get a much better TV deal next year (it can't be much worse) with all the good ratings it has had and the reported interest of ESPN (more demand means more money). Once that deal is signed the cap will increase the following year.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 7, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Wow.

The vitriol on here reminds me why I've been away for several months.

@j3rockstar - Pretty interesting move here. Seems like a pretty high price tag, considering the outcome of last years playoffs?!?!

...for which you're blaming Schultz and Schultz alone? Please. Give me a break.

@ButterSchultz - In two years Schultz should be bagging groceries not playing hockey..

...Right. Uh-huh. Sure.

You people all see his size and think that he should be a cookie cutter Chris Pronger clone, and that is NOT what he is. Get over it.

I happen to think this is a bargain, and a much better deal than letting him go to arbitration.

Posted by: irockthered | July 7, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Sarge!!! I have mixed feelings on this re-signing. I used to be a BIG Sarge basher, but had a change of heart over the last season. I like Sarge and what he brings: a fairly steady, play lots of minutes, positional d-man. that is not to say that he doesn't have a few negatives; mainly a bit slow and not really a physical guy. But, I feel, when paired with the right partner, his positive outweigh his negatives. Now with all that said, I think the terms of the re-signing are probably too high and long. Couple that with my observed need for a physical, top pair d-man and the feelings are even more mixed.

If the Caps bring in someone to really bolster a defensive corps that currently does not play physical, I may be fine with this.

tominsocal, that is my attempt at optimism and sunshine.

Posted by: doughless | July 7, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Nabby bounced to the KHL. He got 24/4!!! That's 6 mil/yr! Go Nabokov, cash in if no teams needed a starter here.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 7, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

Another note on Fehr, his shoulder surgeries last year prevented him from doing any substantial offseason training whatsoever. This year he will be able to train to get stronger and faster and to practice whatever he needs to practice(improved first step).

I am expecting big things from him this year. Another reason I agree with you on signing him to a 3 or 4 year deal now at a relatively low cost.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 7, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

@Lloyd...give some examples of better defensemen available for 2.75 million average, who are not on their ELC?

Posted by: boomer44 | July 7, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

one example: kurtis foster, 2 years at $1.8 mil each

Posted by: doughless | July 7, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Ok forgot about the tv deal. Then yeah you are correct the revenue will go up obviously. And so will the cap, which makes GMGM being so cautious this offseason pretty hard to swallow.

Posted by: ThePat | July 7, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

The Capitals patience with their young d-men is well placed despite the frequent calls for decapitation from a certain number of posters here and elsewhere. Large D-men often take longer to mature and it is entirely possible Schultz can be that shutdown guy everyone seems to crave. Consider that the Islanders gave up on Charo (and the Senators let him get away) before he blossomed into a Norris Trophy winner.

I would also remind you that the Capitals have a long history of running talented defensemen out of town only to have them come back wearing Stanley Cup rings (see Gordie Lane, Larry Murphy (whoop it up boys), Scott Stevens & Sergei Gonchar).

Let's see what all of this young talent can do before bailing out.

Posted by: bill_in_damascus | July 7, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

wow - that's a pretty liberal use of the term "racked up". when applied to such pathetic offensive stats, wouldn't a more diminutive descriptor be more appropriate? this is depressing. we overpay big bird...yet do nothing to acquire the type of player who could actually improve the team. on paper 55 looks fine...but on the ice he is the slowest skater, has the weakest shot, makes far too many mistakes and isn't physical. why? why, oh why do we have to sit through this for another 4 years?

Posted by: dingram3 | July 7, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

You think Foster is better than Schultz?

Posted by: richmondphil | July 7, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! 4 more years of Shultz.... Just shoot me...

Posted by: jlivsics | July 7, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

bill in damascus: get your facts straight: gordie lane? puh lease. yes on murphy. stevens signed an offer sheet and he was much beloved...he was greatly missed (not sure where you are getting your "facts" from). gonchar??? he was part of the great sell-off that saw every large contract (except kolzig's) purged. not exactly run out of town.

Posted by: dingram3 | July 7, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

@irockthered

Yeah, that 1st round exit has really had a negative effect on the climate around here.

Team bashing is at an all time high.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 7, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

@bill_in_damascus

I agree completely. People forget that defenseman take the longest before reaching their peek. Yes, there are always a few exceptions like Doughty, but teams are wise to let young defenseman grow and become better players before getting rid of them.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 7, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I would really like to see the return of:

NATIONAL HOCKEY NIGHT

and

FIRE ON ICE

on ESPN.

(I can live without the mullet though)

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 7, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Draft and grow. This is what GMGM is doing, drafting a player and allowing them to grow. Schultz and Fehr, both drafted and growing with Caps. Flash, not drafted, traded for and may end up walking. If he goes then that says a lot about BB power on determining roster.

Posted by: flee001 | July 7, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Short-sighted to sign a guy who should be on the 3rd defensive pairing on a good team. The Caps would be better if they paired Poti with Green so they had a guy who could cover up for his mistakes. Schultz is simply too slow and will never be a tough crease clearing defenseman. Our No. 1 pairing could well be Carlson and Alzner by half way through next year and we'll be paying our second pairing almost $8M!

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 7, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey - let's put the whole +/- thing into perspective. Tom Poti has been a career single digit + or single digit - his 12 year career.....until this year - he was +26. Does that tell you something?

Schultz gets paid, and good for him. Unfortunately, McPhail and Ted are interested in capology, the business of happiness, and keeping the core together. Well, after a performance like we witnessed in the play-offs - average goaltending, pourous defense and lack of leadership, maybe you need to shake things up a bit.

We have Poti already, and Schutz is the second coming, not too mention we also used to have "Juice". Three tall, lanky, stay at home defense who can't hit. Thanks, but one is enough.

How about growing some ballz and trading Semin. Sure, he's uber talented, but couldn't score in play-off's and beats to his own drum. Get someone in here who wants the Cup and upgrade our second line center. Goaltending - no easy remedy, but we've lived through Kolzig being pulled for Huet, then Theodore, who's pulled for Varly, and then Varly has an average outing last play-offs after being injured much of the season and it's going to be him & Neuvirth.

I really don't see a plan - I see keeping us under the cap and plodding along with what we've got. Yes, I get it - we won the Presidents trophy last year, it's not so bad, but would you rather be the San Jose Sharks or the Pittsburgh Penguins? Pittsburgh won a cup already after coming back from the dead in fewer years than Ted's "four year plan". The Flyers have been dangerous year after year - re-loading when everyone's counting them out. No, they haven't won a cup, but they've came damn close and played with intensity and toughness....vs. shiny hockey with fancy pants and goals.

Heck, the blackhawks won a cup! Notice how they fired their GM when he missed getting contracts signed on time and put them in a massive cap predicament which led to their firesale this year? That must have been a tough decision eh?

Well, after twelve + years at the helm with disastrous play-off results, you'd think McPhee would be on the chopping block, but noooo, noooo - we ran into another hot goalie - "spin machine" and blah, blah, blah.

The Capitals - more of the same = same results.

Posted by: Jaymagz | July 7, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

So, our D next year:

Green/Schultz
Alzner/Carlson
Poti/________ (or Erskine or Sloan if necessary)

Other than #6, there's a fair amount to like here. I really don't get the Schultz hatred. Sure, he isn't Bobby Orr, but he's a solid blueliner and way better than Erskine and Sloan and Mo, too).

Posted by: oldtimehockey | July 7, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Anyone think Nyls gets picked up? Not a bad cap number and he does fit a team like the Rangers or even Edm.

Posted by: flee001 | July 7, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

@wizfan89 .. Short-sighted to sign a guy who should be on the 3rd defensive pairing on a good team ...

----------------------

Are you serious, third pair on a good team ... so the Caps were not a good team last year? Guess there is a reason you are a Wiz fan.

Posted by: flee001 | July 7, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

@doughless...you would take Foster over Schultz? Yes he has 20 more goals in about the same amount of games, but he is -6 for his career, Schultz is +80, 4 years younger, is signed for one of his UFA years @ $2.75 and will continue to improve.

Posted by: boomer44 | July 7, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Anyone think Nyls gets picked up? Not a bad cap number and he does fit a team like the Rangers or even Edm.

Posted by: flee001 | July 7, 2010 1:48 PM |

His cap number is horrible. Rags can't afford him either.

Look to teams like the Islanders who need to pick up salary to hit the cap floor.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 7, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

@doughless

Really? You think Kurtis Foster deserves a bigger contract than Shutlz? Foster isn't going to play any better than he has played up to this point in his career, he has already hit his peak age at 28. Shultz is slowly becoming a veteran, improving drastically since joining the Caps. He is only 24, and should be peaking around the end of this current contract extension.

Would you really want Foster, a 30 point a season guy who has only had a +/- over 0 once in his career? Or a guy like Shultz, who is learning a speciality of playing with Green and covering for him while he joins the rush. Where would Foster fit on our team?

Posted by: bgsxygoalie | July 7, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

That's a pretty good signing. This is about as high as you'd want to pay him because his playoff performances so far have been pretty poor. I expect he'll keep improving.

Posted by: Stu_c | July 7, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

RE: Nylander - I'd love to see Carolina pick him up to replace Brindamour, but at that price, doubt it will happen.

Posted by: pch49 | July 7, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

why is everybody flipping that i suggested kurtis foster as an example of a better defenseman FOR THE MONEY? I didn't dog Sarge out. I said I like Sarge. Foster brings a bit of a differnet game (more physical), with a bit more offensive upside. that AND he signed for less and he is in his prime years. as for his numbers, not bad considering who he has played for. Put him on the caps and I feel certain he improves.

Posted by: doughless | July 7, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

If Flash is going to get more than $2.3 million....how many people would rather see the Caps sign Maxim Afinogenov for like $1.5M for a year?? And just let Flash walk.

Posted by: ThePat | July 7, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

for all of those who think Schultz is terrible, you do not understand the game of hockey. The argument that his +/- is strictly due to the amount of goals the team scored don't realiize that he was on the ice in just as many defensive situations due to there high powered, north/south team philosophy. He is the big stay at home Dman who uses is reach and size to interfere with the flow of the other teams attack. If he was good throwing around the body, he would be doing it. LEading the league in +/- is a huge accomplishment on a team that gave up as many scvoring chances as the Caps did. He's worth the money.

Posted by: jmurray019 | July 7, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Sorry. Too much for Schultz. 4 years, and couldn't get the cap number lower?

Posted by: underpants2 | July 7, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

@irockthered-

My point was that after last years playoff debacle, I find it interesting that the Caps are looking to head into the season with essentially the same roster. So yeah, I do blame Shultz, I blame everyone on the blue line...as well as the guys up front. I think this team needs tweaks....not handing out four year contracts to guys that *may* pan out.

Posted by: j3rockstar | July 7, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm drinking the koolaid, have been for years during rebuilding. I can wait to see how young guys grow before handing out stupid contracts. This is not a stupid signing, it's solid and speaks to the Caps keeping the players they draft/groom/grow. This is what builds multiple champions, not 1 year wonders.

Posted by: flee001 | July 7, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

As fans, we can make judgements based on what we see in a few games. Players are either liked or disliked and then most fans will find stats or situations to validate their opinions. Though I have followed the sport rather intensely for 40 years and played off and on for almost as long, I admit I know nothing compared to these pro players, coaches, and management. Most fans are probably from a similar background as me, so I just don't get why so many think they know all of the ins-and-outs of the organization. Trades, strategies, player-evaluation, is better left to those that really know the game. I understand that many are just having fun here and enjoy playing GM, but try not to take yourselves so seriously, eh?

Posted by: gonchpup | July 7, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Schultz stinks? Really? I remember in the Pens series two years ago how he looked lost and was on his back side a couple times after getting faked out of his skates (he was faked out of his jock earler in the play and all he had left on was his skates). To go from that to an incredible +/- 50 and 129 blocked is quite a turnaround. He will only get better.

Now please tell me how Schultz cost the series (j3rockstar - or was that a reference to the team and high price of his contract or his play)? Did he score on the Caps during the playoffs? Was he responsbile for giving up the 2 goals that cost us Game 6 or 7?

Posted by: Shiba-fussa | July 7, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal

Listening to Caps report and Vogs seems to believe that both Flash and Fehr will come in around $2.2M in the end. They could only walk away from one of the 2 arbitration rulings.

Posted by: ThePat | July 7, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

No one has gotten paid so much to fall down since Chevy Chase had a career.

Posted by: Willy6 | July 7, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Well, after a performance like we witnessed in the play-offs - average goaltending, pourous defense and lack of leadership, maybe you need to shake things up a bit.
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@Jaymagz

If you think we lost due to the above reasons then you didn't see the sames series I did. We lost because of 1 reason which was the 1 constant through the regular season and that was offense. Our PP sucked and we couldn't score 5on5 for 3 games & it did us in. Goaltending and D had nothing to do with it.

I think the only true and fair critisizm to make would be from Bmo in the fact that there were no adjustments made during the series. I guess hindsight is 20/20 and BB probably thought why mess with something that has been great for 82 games. I think given the same situation again, he would change something. BB is "young" in his NHL coaching career too so he needs to grow just like our young core. I hope we've learned all the leassons we've needed to learn and can actually bring homne the prize next year. I'm tired of "what doesn't kill me will only make me better" because some day it might actually kill me! LOL

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | July 7, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

As far as Nyls is concerned, I don't remember the team but there is a team out there who is below the cap floor and has to raise their salary. Nyls would be a perfect fit for them. Maybe it was Columbus or NYI, I don't remember off the top of my head. They would only have to pay him $3M but his hit is almost $5M. It's a win/win. Not to mention we get rid of all the circular ruts in the ice so our ice surface will be even better.:)

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | July 7, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

@Jaymagz...don't look up, yhe sky is falling oh noooooooo

Posted by: boomer44 | July 7, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

pokerface - Good point. The last three games were killers offensively. Some of it was maybe pressing to hard, odd bounces of the puck, some posts, and just bad luck (more so than the hot goalie excuse). Bruce probably didn't mess with things much "knowing" that the powerplay would click and the secondary scoring lines would find the back of the net... eventually. Next year!

Posted by: gonchpup | July 7, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Shiba-fussa-

I think I'm being misunderstood here.
I love the way the Caps build their team from whithin...I love watching a players career (sometimes before he gets drafted) and then making his way up through the minors and then eventually to playing at the Phone Booth.
I love this team, and it's players....I just thought that GMGM would try to take a different approach with the way the roster looked going into the new season. Esp. with the blueliners in front of two young, questionable goalies.

Posted by: j3rockstar | July 7, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Does everyone here realize that Sarge is 24 years old? 24!!!

He's got a lot more years in the NHL (barring a serious injury) and will only get better.

Lighten up!

Posted by: jwash4472 | July 7, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Esp. with the blueliners in front of two young, questionable goalies.

Posted by: j3rockstar | July 7, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse
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The only thing questionable about Varly is can he make it through an 82 games season. He has already proven himself in the playoffs. Most likely it'll be where Varly gets 55 games and Neuvy gets 37 assuming both are healthy then you run with Varly for the playoffs.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | July 7, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Completely off of hockey, but is anybody else just puking sick over this Lebron James crap? I know he's doing some procedes crap for charity and that's nice but really? A 1hr show on ESPN to announce where you're gonna sign? Unreal! God I love hockey so much more than all these "ME" athletes. Esp Albert "I'll stomp on your head" HaynesworthLESS!

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | July 7, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

j3rockstar - I think having Carlson and Alzner up from Hershey will strengthen things in the defensive end. Can't wait for October.

Posted by: gonchpup | July 7, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Lebron is so freaking full of himself and has won crap. I cannot wait for his 'special' to be over and find myself wondering who will perform on his variety show. He calls himself King James, now that sounds like a very humble role model I'll tell ya. Cle sucks, why would he stay there.

Posted by: flee001 | July 7, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

pokerfaceI208 -

The durability of a goaltender is a pretty big question mark. :)

...and I agree...all this LBJ stuff is ridiculous!

Posted by: j3rockstar | July 7, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Just as bad as LBJ is what Kovy is doing ... just freaking sign already.

Posted by: flee001 | July 7, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

for all of those who think Schultz is terrible, you do not understand the game of hockey. The argument that his +/- is strictly due to the amount of goals the team scored don't realiize that he was on the ice in just as many defensive situations due to there high powered, north/south team philosophy. He is the big stay at home Dman who uses is reach and size to interfere with the flow of the other teams attack. If he was good throwing around the body, he would be doing it. LEading the league in +/- is a huge accomplishment on a team that gave up as many scvoring chances as the Caps did. He's worth the money.

Posted by: jmurray019

The only thing Jeff Schultz can hit with is his purse!

Posted by: underpants2 | July 7, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

HEY underpants2, it's a European carry all

Posted by: flee001 | July 7, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

underpants - There is more to playing good, defensive hockey than hitting. I'd much rather have a player that distributes the puck well, and plays a fundamentally sound D with a hit or two thrown in than a player who's sole purpose is to hit at the expense of coughing up the puck or taking himself out of the play with an ill-timed hit.

Posted by: gonchpup | July 7, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

underpants - There is more to playing good, defensive hockey than hitting. I'd much rather have a player that distributes the puck well, and plays a fundamentally sound D with a hit or two thrown in than a player who's sole purpose is to hit at the expense of coughing up the puck or taking himself out of the play with an ill-timed hit.

Posted by: gonchpup

How do feel about players falling down on their own?

Posted by: underpants2 | July 7, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it? Almost everyone here things the Caps need a stay at home, shot blocking D-man and yet when the Caps resign Shultz who led the team in blocked shots everyone says we signed a bad player for too much money.

@ whoever said Foster would have been a better choice for less money. There is a reason why he got much less money. Foster only had 60 hits and 70 blocked shots last year in his 71 games. Shultz had 66 hits and 129 blocked shots in 73 games. So Foster is as physical as Shultz giving their close hit totals and number of games played, but Shultz is a much better shot blocker which is why he go paid more.

For all of those worried about going into next year with a team similar to last years. We did have one of if not the best teams last year we just were a bit off in the playoffs. Plus our young guys are getting better each year and that can make a huge difference. Look at Pittsbugh three years ago. Made the finals and lost. Had one of their best players not only leave but sign with the team that they lost to in the finals. The two teams meet again and the Pens younger players were better and the Wings older players were not as good as the year before and this time the Pens won the Cup. Don't underestimate the importance of youth and improvements.

Posted by: icehammer97 | July 7, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

underpants - And I bet you are referring to the playoff game 2 years ago, right?

Posted by: gonchpup | July 7, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Those of you that dislike Schultz will never recognise his improvement. You have this idea of how you want him to play and you only see mistakes and visions of past mistakes. He plays a solid defense and has steadily improved year after year. You won't see his improvement because you don't want to see it.

Posted by: _Mark | July 7, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

ButterSchultz, what the heck are you talking about? Do you know anything about hockey? The best plus-minus in the league is quite an accomplishment. Do you even know who came up with the concept of plus-minus? Some people should have their keyboards confiscated.

Posted by: chopin224 | July 7, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

This time a year ago I was one of the Shultz HATERS and anyone that sits behind the home goal knows it too. But I am here to eat my own words. I don't know what shultz did last off season but he came back a different guy and this year I am on the other side of the coin. I told my wife this morning that shultz should be signed for at least a 4yr term and about 3m. If he makes the same improvements this off season he is going to rock some peoples world next season. I just hope that MG can make the same improvements. Shultz Jeserys all round next season.
And as much as I wish someone would, no one is going to touch Circles Nylander not unless GMGM can get the Bolshoi Ballet to take him. Go Caps !!!!!!! WE want the CUP !!!!

Posted by: bqts | July 7, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

underpants - And I bet you are referring to the playoff game 2 years ago, right?

Posted by: gonchpup

Yeah, that's the one.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 7, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

@chopin:
who do you think invented the +/- statistic?

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 7, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Can we sign some hotter ice girls?

Posted by: flee001 | July 7, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 7, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Emil Francis, "The Cat".

Posted by: chopin224 | July 7, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me, or do we need some grittier, tougher players?

Posted by: underpants2 | July 7, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

@chopin:
sort of!

"Plus/Minus is the net number of goals scored (for and against) while a player is on the ice in a 5-on-5 (or any other even-strength) situation. Invented by the Montreal Canadiens in the 1950s, it was first officially kept as an NHL statistic in 1967-68. On this site, Plus/Minus is shown as a rate stat, net goals per 60 minutes of a player's ice time."
http://www.behindthenet.ca/about_stats.html

"The Montreal Canadiens were the first team to track +/-, starting sometime in the 1950s. Other teams followed in the early 1960s, and the National Hockey League (NHL) started officially compiling the ratings in 1968. Emile Francis is often credited with devising the system, but he only popularized and adapted the system in use by the Canadiens."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plus-minus

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 7, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

pokerface:

They just announced LeBron James will be taking a dump live on ESPN tomorrow morning 6 am.

And it's being sponsored by Charmin.

Oh, I've posted many times, the yearly league leaders in plus/minus. Those who criticize the stat should check out the list. Most years it's been a guy like Orr, Gretzky, Stevens or Bourque. Being NHL +/- leader for 2009-2010 puts Schultz in lofty company.

Given the choice to keep one or the other, I'll keep Schultz over Flash. But I'd keep Fehr over both the other two.

One day when Schultz retires in 16 years the story will refer to him as a "solid, stay-at-home defenseman."

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 7, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

@icehammer97

I co-sign on your post about young players improving. Good post.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 7, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

The Caps can't keep trying to win Cups with the shoddy defensemen they have. Clean most of that out, including Green (or move his cherry picking a** to wing). Another disappointing end to the season is on its way if they can't get better playoff defense. They've proved they can win 50+ games a in the season, but have proven to be frail in the playoffs; especially on the PK. Montreal got a little lucky, sure. However, if the Caps had just one actual defenseman on last year's playoff roster, there is no way that series is lost. Oh, and I hope to god someone picks up Nylander; what a waste. If we can get rid of that clown it should open up some room for us to sign a Pronger-esque guy to hold the fort on the back line and keep the pucks away from Varly and MN.

Posted by: smfoster3 | July 7, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

@chopin.. Actually I do know a bit about hockey.. From the DC area and played Little Caps (this was different from Jr Caps), Radford University until 96, now playing A level beer league in Philadelphia and coaching as well.. Not to mention Ive been at some point a full or partial season ticket holder since 1996.

The +/- is overrated and everyone knows it. Schultz is marginal at best and the fact he is 6'6 is the only reason this guy is in the league. If he skated at that speed and played to avoid contact like he does and was 6'1 he wouldnt make it out of the Coast League.

BUT since he is 6'6 he plays "longer" which means he can poke from a longer and is should be in theory tougher to get around.

HOWEVER, he doesnt uses his size as well as he should, he doesnt have a mean bone in his body and he is afraid of body contact when he has the puck in his own end. He actually "hot potatoes" the puck when he is about to get hit by a forechecker. This means he is likely to sling the puck up the boards just to avoid contact.. And Ill be honest I actually like the makeup of our D with the exception of this guy. Id like a good shut down guy just like the rest of us. But with this contract and the apparent movement of Flash, Fehr, Semin that doesnt look likely with a Cap strapped team

Posted by: ButterSchultz | July 7, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Corvo signed for 2 years and $4.5M with Carolina.

For all those saying that Schultz's contract should have been smaller because of the added years, you are dead wrong. At Schultz's age the Caps bought out 1 year of UFA and a few years of RFA.

The Caps bought out later years in which Schultz's contract would have increased, but to do that they had to offer him a contract with a higher cap hit than they would have had if it was only a 1 year contract.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 7, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

LMAO Tom! Just like his signing, I can go without seeing his dump! I'm sure Charmin is happy to wipe his @ss.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | July 7, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

This D is young and improving. Enough crap about Pronger. Who would have traded him for Varly, Carlson, roster player and a pick which I believe was the asking price?

Posted by: flee001 | July 7, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

The WORST thing happened - we signed the worst D in hockey for a lot of money.
We'll never win the f-ing Cup

Posted by: Tondi | July 7, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I agree with smfoster3. While we're clearing out our defensemen who wasted our salary dollars on developing them in Hershey, let's get rid of Ovi and Backstrom. They're only gonna' get older and worse and we're going to feel awfully stupid with their salaries.

*rolls eyes*

Great solution there, smfoster3. Let's try to keep it quiet while the rest of the thinking folk do what you apparently aren't capable of.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 7, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Very observant there, Tondi. We need to pay more particular attention to imaginary problems in this world like the defense of the Washington Capitals. I'm just as pissed if not moreso about Spencer and Heidi fighting and not getting along with their fabulous lives.

Defense is young. Let it ride for a bit. Chill the eff out.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 7, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Capitals sign Fahey and Greentree

http://www.nhl.com/ice/newsindex.htm#?navid=nav-nws-main

no stopping gmgm now!!

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 7, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

And Carolina signs Corvo, 2yrs/4.5m

Posted by: _Mark | July 7, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone going to miss Corvo?

Talk about a turnover machine. This guy makes Mike Green look like Zdeno Chara on defense.

Carolina indicated they were going to build with youth around Staal.

At 33, Corvo isn't what I would call part of a youth movement.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | July 7, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

So we are re-loading ... Hershey? Lets get Flash/Fehr signed, simmer for a bit on that stew then see how trade market plays out. This team is solid and there are two gents on notice. BB and Semin. One in a contract year who will be looking to cash-in and the second a coach who I think did his part but needs to win a Cup or go. We need a coach with a hockeytown chin, not double chin

Posted by: flee001 | July 7, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Fahey and Greentree...the pieces are falling in place now!

Posted by: kcbrichmond | July 7, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

So we are re-loading ... Hershey?
Posted by: flee001 | July 7, 2010 4:26 PM
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Well...yea. The Caps are taking Neuvy, Alzner, Carlson and possibly Beagle or A.Gordon. Plus Giroux and Wilson have walked. The least they can do is sign a couple of guys to restock Hershey. Remember, when the Caps have injuries, there has to be a few quality players available for call-up.

Posted by: tess2201 | July 7, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

The Caps need to change their color to match the Bears as they go for a threepeat

Posted by: flee001 | July 7, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I remember when I first saw Schultz skate.

That was the year the Caps had camp at Ashburn Ice House while KCI was still being built--I first met TEB there too).

He was decent then, better now, and I believe he'll get bettr still.

There are many ways to be effective on defense...and anything that keeps the puck out of your own net is a good thing.

I think the Ice Girls we have are plenty hawt, thanks...

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 7, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

btw, anyone who thinks I'm serious about color change needs to relax and smile in the long summer hours

Posted by: flee001 | July 7, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

@flee001
At least you said the Caps should change to match the Bears. I've seen it suggested several times that the Bears should change to match the Caps, and that'll never happen. A team based in Hershey has to wear "Chocolate and White".

Posted by: tess2201 | July 7, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Leftcoast,

You are laughable. I bet you had to look up the definition of icing before the 07-08 first round playoff series against Philly didn't you? Fine. Let's keep the guys who have led us to first round playoff exits in 2 of the last 3 years. And I never said anything about Ovi or the forwards; so before you try to be a sarcastic pri** about a sport you know little about, try reading and responding to what's actually written in someones comment rather than saying something sarcastic and stupid while self-assuring yourself of your status on the ivory tower. Go back to soccer.

Posted by: smfoster3 | July 7, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and leftcoast. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Schultz is an all-star. But he, and a number of other D men on this roster have shown me too little to be confident in their abilities to help the Caps win a cup. And if they continue to sign the same mediocre guys strictly to "develop" them, the parade in DC is a far cry from now. Because yes, sooner rather than later the stars will be older, hurt, or signed with other teams. 95% of the team is in place now. Sign a higher end, experienced D man or two for two years to win a cup. Then move your "developed" talent up to keep the ball rolling (a la the Detroit dynasty). But hey, what do I know?

Posted by: smfoster3 | July 7, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

There is something wrong in the world when a player like Corvo gets that kind of money.

Posted by: kcbrichmond | July 7, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

so, if the devils sign Kovy, they will have to clear some cap room. Langenbrunner at 2.8 and Zubrus at 3.4 have been rumored to candidates to be moved.

Zubrus at 3.4 is a little steep. Langenbrunner would be interesting though...

Posted by: brian58 | July 7, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

With all due respect, I think the plus-minus is a valid measure of one's performance. And I thank the gent who educated me as to the origin of the plus-minus which I pretty much knew about. I grew up in Detroit and played hockey until my mid-40's so I believe I have a feel for the game.

Posted by: chopin224 | July 7, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Fahey AND Greentree? We are so going places this season! LoL j/k

Our D is good, IMO. It will be good to see if Varlamov can lower our GA. Alzner and Carlson should be guaranteed spots.

Our goaltending is a "wait-and-see" situation. Two rookies sharing net? I like Varly, but I'm not sure if dumping all the weight of the team on him (and a little on Neuvirth) is a good thing. I still think Varly can pull it off though. About Sabourin... I don't know what McPhee was thinking. I would've got Niittymaki.

Our weakest spot right now is C. You're going to have a hard time with just 2 centers. Hopefully Aucoin can have a good season like he did in the AHL last season. That still leaves us with only 3. There's still Modano (assuming DET doesn't get him), Madden (great FO% and D), Wellwood (great FO%), Nichol (awesome FO%), Conroy (worst case). These are just the noticable REMAINING centers.

Posted by: Siikonen-FIN- | July 7, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

"so, if the devils sign Kovy, they will have to clear some cap room. Langenbrunner at 2.8 and Zubrus at 3.4 have been rumored to candidates to be moved.

Zubrus at 3.4 is a little steep. Langenbrunner would be interesting though..."

Posted by: brian58 | July 7, 2010 5:11 PM |

Even assuming they did re-sign Kovy, Langenbrunner is not only part of the Devils core, he's also RW. I think we're solid on RW. Zubrus has a nickname with Devs fans: Zubust. He left WAS and hasn't been the same since.

Posted by: Siikonen-FIN- | July 7, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

You could have signed S. Mo and Juice for around the same dollars Schultz got. That would have given the Caps two players that can hit and a hard shot on the point. I don't get it.....

Posted by: Caps4Life1 | July 7, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

OK, I will grant that I was stretching the truth more than a little bit referencing Stevens who we let leave because of ownership issues (and with it our Cup) and the Gonchar deal was good for the Capitals at the time and I did not think anyone would remember Gordie Lane. Just a little off-season blog humor.

My point was that nobody really knows where Schultz's game is going to go yet, but on its current arc, it looks like it is going up. It's a reasonable risk. I do agree with the point about Carlson being our #1 guy...you gotta love his game.

Posted by: bill_in_damascus | July 7, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't mind seeing Zubrus back in DC--He has skated well with both Semin and OV in the past, and was effective even in the bad old days. He's a big guy, and I think he'd be a good choice for a veteran 2nd-line center on a 2 year deal...if the price is right.

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 7, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

The problem with Subrus is that he is signed for 3 more years. That is too long for him.

@bill_in_damascus

Carlson has looked great, but he will likely improve significantly too (as well as Alzner) given their ages.

Green, as much grief as he receives, did improve a lot last year than from the year before. I expect him to become even better defensively (knowing where to be, when to pinch, and the other little stuff a player learns with more experience). It won't make him great defesnively but it should make him better than he was last year.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 7, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

the hour special on ESPN tomorrow on Lebron all but guarantees he's gonna stay in Cleveland... he can't possibly be doing something like that if he's gonna leave his hometown team in the dust.

I understand he has a 20K sq foot house in Akron and he would never be able to sell it if he were to leave.

Posted by: joek443 | July 7, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

"You think he could hire someone to teach him how to take the body and clear the crease for that amount of cash??"

LMAO!

Schultz was overpaid here, definitely. He doesn't even hit that much. By the way, Pronger is 6'4", 220 lbs, not 6'6", 230 lbs like Schultz, but is more defensively effective overall and puts up more points. I'd take Pronger over Schultz, definitely.

Posted by: fbutler1 | July 7, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

It appears Kyle Greentree likes to rough it up when he wants. Nice to see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzVjte5MPhE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4Y5S03Ydeo

Posted by: robostop10 | July 7, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

joek443:
you don't think that someone who will be getting $100M over 5 yrs would care if they sell their 20k sq ft house - do you?
i don't believe that will factor into his decision at all.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 7, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking Schultz comes to camp after an intense summer in the weight room and and working on power skating, covered with tattoos and looking to bust someone up.

Or not.

Posted by: zmega | July 7, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

The Caps can't keep trying to win Cups with the shoddy defensemen they have. Clean most of that out, including Green (or move his cherry picking a** to wing). Another disappointing end to the season is on its way if they can't get better playoff defense.

Posted by: smfoster3 | July 7, 2010 3:53 PM

REALLY? THE DEFENSE LOST US THE SERIES?!?!?!?!?

Game 5 - Mtl 2 Caps 1
Game 6 - Mtl 4 Caps 1
Game 7 - Mtl 2 Caps 1

Sure looks a lot like the vaunted Capitals offense, they of the league leading 318 goals in the regular season, hit a rough patch and weren't able to score. Yeah, they gave up 4 goals in Game 6 (one was an empty netter), but it would not have even gotten that far as it shoulda been lights out in Game 5 had they scored at a rate consistent with the regular season and the previous playoff games.

YOU FAIL!!!

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 7, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

POSTED ON MONDAY:

"OK given the current market for free agents if these guys were available for any team to bid on them what do you think they would receive?

Amount and length of contract-

I think Fehr could get $3 million on open market for 3 years right now.

Flash $2.25 million for 2

Schultz $2.8 million for 4 years (note Curtis Foster got 1.8 for 2 years and Schultz is better)"


Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | July 5, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse


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BINGO - was I off by $50K on Schultz

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | July 7, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

There will come a time when the Caps have to start trading guys who are due big raises and will not fit under the Cap. They will not have an Edmonton Oiler or NY Islander type Dynasty and will need to rely on their farm system to keep them competitive when those vets are traded for younger cheaper players and draft picks that need time to develop. That in turn will keep the farm system producing and help sustain a long string of success, in theory. (see Red Wings, Detroit)
Tying up Schultz for 4 years settles things down contract and important player wise and gives us a window to win now. If we end up needing other parts and Schultz ultimately gets traded, they need to get back like salaries because of the salary cap. This move makes sense any way you look at it. And before you say it, Schultz has LOTS of trade value. All you haters need to enlist and grab your guns. Time to join the brigade

Posted by: jmurray019 | July 7, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

@ Capt_Kirk_in_AZ

I think it is a factor. I don't think Lebron never had any intention of leaving Cleveland... this is just a show.

the guy is still with his HS girlfriend and even though he always wears a Yankee hat, I don't think he wants to be remembered as a guy who basically destroyed the Cleveland Cavs because that's exactly what's gonna happen if he leaves.

also unless you just don't like basketball, you should like Lebron if you like Ovi because they're similar type of players... exciting league MVPs who have yet to win the big one.

Posted by: joek443 | July 7, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Good deal. Schultz is not a #1 line shut-down Defensemen, hopefully Alzner develops into that; however, he is a young, continually improving #2 blueliner.

Schultz, Alzner, Carlson, and Green are a great young core. Plus we still have top-four blueline vet Poti, and Erskine, who is fine as #3, and Sloan, who is fine as the back-up. All that said, I wouldn't object to another vet for a one year rental, but I am okay with giving Alzner and Carlson the opportunity to rise as they are supposed to. I am more concerned about a Center right now.

As I said Fehr should be 1.85 like Chimera. Flash will be interesting.

Posted by: mcgratsp | July 7, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Pronger is 6'4", 220 lbs, not 6'6", 230 lbs like Schultz, but is more defensively effective overall and puts up more points. I'd take Pronger over Schultz, definitely.

posted by fbutler1

Different players! Different styles! That's like saying Adam Oates sucked because Messier was better! I would take Pronger over Schultz as well, but we would have had to give up Varly, Carlson/Alzner and a 1st or 2nd rd pick for a 34 year with lots of wear and tear. I suppose you were in favor of that trade too, you dolt...

Posted by: jmurray019 | July 7, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

As I said Fehr should be 1.85 like Chimera. Flash will be interesting.

Posted by: mcgratsp | July 7, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

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Chimera signed his contract after the 2007-08 season in Columbus. Even he is worth more than that now!..good thing he is a bargain for 2 more years.

Fehr would net $3M if he were UFA for what its worth he is not - but will make a good case for close to that.

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | July 7, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

"Someone will have to explain to me why the Caps are throwing money at a big defenseman who won't use his size to physically punish anyone and who makes Chris Pronger look like Anton Ohno in the speed department. For Eric Fehr? A good deal. For Flush or Slo-mo Schultz? A waste of good money.

Posted by: Exile_in_Philly | July 7, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse"


I could not agree more with this sentiment. Schultz is about as imposing and light on his feet as the Sergeant in Hogan's Heroes (a character Boomers will know well). When I hear Ted boast about his plus-minus numbers last year, I toss in my mouth.

Can our front office no less about what it takes to win after securing the regular season trophy? I mean, last time I checked, the only big winner in NHL history that played 'fire wagon' hockey - on O and D - were the Edmonton Oilers. And they had several HOFrs and the baddest man in net, one Grant Fuhr. And with Lowe alongside Coffey, for example, they weren't completely deficient at stopping people with their blue liners.

When I think of Green, I think of Coffey - and hope like hell he is teamed with a 'bad man' blueliner to cover up his aggressive offensive plays when those up ice rushes backfire (as they inevitably do from time to time).

Does anyone see the Caps adding a real-deal veteran blueliner? Perhaps Willie Mitchell with the Canucks? ??

Posted by: knk4jack | July 7, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the Bears have reloaded for a run at Calder Cup III. Greentree on the left side scored 39 goals in the AHL two years ago along with Andrew Gordon who scored 50 goals between the regular season and playoffs this year on the right side and Aucoin setting them up in the middle.

Posted by: dull | July 7, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

@knk4jack

I agree. At what point are we gonna address the toughness of this team?

Is the Schultz signing bad? No, his stats look good. But stats don't always tell the whole story. We all watch him play. He is not a top pair guy. Quote frankly, if we acquire any sort of dman, Schultz might drop to bottom pair. It's fine though, because it's not a ton of money.

I do think we need to acquire a dman that will make someone pay for going to the front of the net. Especially with two young goalies.

Maybe, we should have traded Schultz now, while his value was high.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 7, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Different players! Different styles! That's like saying Adam Oates sucked because Messier was better! I would take Pronger over Schultz as well, but we would have had to give up Varly, Carlson/Alzner and a 1st or 2nd rd pick for a 34 year with lots of wear and tear. I suppose you were in favor of that trade too, you dolt...

Posted by: jmurray019 | July 7, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

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Dolt??

First of all, Caps would not have had to give up those assets. That's propaganda. Philly gave up much less.

Secondly, that 34 year-old with so much wear and tear was perhaps the single bigest reason why Philly advanced to the SC Finals.

Posted by: Hatfield223 | July 7, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

@knk4jack

I think Mitchell would be a good signing if he is willng to accept a 1 year or 2 year deal.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 7, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Pronger was the #1 reason Flyers went to finals?

I thought it was the back-up goaltender.

Pronger and his -5 WAS the #1 reason Flyers lost the critical game 5.

Pronger has seven more years and like $38M to collect. He'll never earn it.

And I hope the league finally penalizes PHI and CHI for the Pronger and Hossa cap-circumventing masquerade. Both teams cheated the cap this year by $2M and both made the Finals. Not a good precedent.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 7, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

@ smfoster3: Shh. There. That's better.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 7, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

@ smfoster3: Shh. There. That's better.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 7, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

BTW, the Pronger seven-year extension kicks in this coming year. First five years pay him $37M and the last two years, at ages 42 and 43, he gets $500K each. Because he signed before age 35, he can retire and Flyers avoid cap hit the last two years. The CBA though expressly forbids cap circumventing contracts. Where's the penalty?

Caps never could have afforded the $6.5M hit on his previous contract last year, so any thought to trade for him was a dream. Until the Nylander saga was resolved, Caps had no money to give. Unless we traded Poti and Semin, there could be no Pronger last season.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 7, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Re: Schultz...

An arbitrator could have ruled that Schultz was due more than what he ended up signing for. As well, the Caps would have only been able to sign Schultz to a 1 or 2 year deal. That would have potentially cost them a lot more down the road to retain his services if, indeed, his play continues to improve. So, coming to an agreement ahead of time was in the best interests of the team.

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 7, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Orlov is a beast from all accounts. When he comes over next year after Poti is a UFA and gone off the roster, your top 4 will be: Green, Carlson, Alzner and Orlov. I would have gone to arbitration and done a 1 year deal max.

I think it is pretty clear that despite slow-wheels Schultz's +50, he is a serious liability back there. A low-impact D-man who is neither physical nor a goal scorer. Other that the Hershey highway connection to BB, and another first rounder on GMGM's watch -- what could be fascination with this lummox?

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | July 7, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

@knk4jack

I think Mitchell would be a good signing if he is willng to accept a 1 year or 2 year deal.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 7, 2010 6:51 PM

Mitchell needs to start skating again before anyone will start thinking about offering a contract:

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/Canuck+Willie+Mitchell+says+healthy+anxious+resume+interrupted+career/3181375/story.html

If he is cleared to play, then many teams will likely vie for his services. However, after the Brian Pothier situation, the Caps will likely be wary of bringing in a guy who is one blow to the head away from never playing again.

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 7, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

I think it is pretty clear that despite slow-wheels Schultz's +50, he is a serious liability back there. A low-impact D-man who is neither physical nor a goal scorer. Other that the Hershey highway connection to BB, and another first rounder on GMGM's watch -- what could be fascination with this lummox?

Posted by: Political_Stratgst

lummox... pretty funny!

Posted by: underpants2 | July 7, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm starting to wonder if some of our regular haters are creating multiple ID's.

Its getting beyond ridiculous around here.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 7, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

We need to hereby mobilize Company S in the Doofus Brigade for the Schultz haters. No captain in this company; no lieuteants; and no corporals or privates.

Everyone in Company S is a "Sarge."

Get your rifles, oh ye doofuses, and start marching - backwards. Let's see you do it without falling down.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 7, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Most hated Caps by Cap "Fans"
1. Alex Semin
2. Mike Green
3. Jeff Schultz

wtf_e_fehr is right. The disdain towards our only players has gotten ridiculous.

Posted by: RedskinsXXVI | July 7, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Schultz is a bargain at that price. He has a laser slap shot, screens goalies and may even throw a check now and then.

Posted by: StanleyCap | July 7, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Read that the Caps may be interested in bringing back Brash. Personally, I would rather have McGrattan. Caps should try to get either Jackman from the Blues or Bieska from the Canucks.

Posted by: StanleyCap | July 7, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Why does GMGM have such a soft team when he was exactly the opposite as a player?

Posted by: StanleyCap | July 7, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Slightly more than I was expecting Schultz to get, but a good deal. With Green, he makes a solid defensive pair. He's not the fastest or most physical, but he has improved greatly from a couple years ago. He is the best shotblocker on the Caps, has learned how to use his body to trap other players against the boards, and is an extremely effective pair with Green. He will stay paired as a top 4 dman with Green for the next few years.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 7, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Can't believe people are so against this signing...I really used to HATE Schultz, but BB and GMGM had faith that he would develop into something...and he was right! Schultz was solid this season and rareley made mistakes...remember that he was paired with Green who often left him on his own to go score goals! It is only b/c of schultz that Green could do what he did...also he is young and getting better every year. I think this will turn out to be a good deal in the long run. Alzner may or may not get better than him and Carlson is more like green with an offensive flare. He's not flashy and yes he is not all that physical, but he is extremely responsible and deserved a nice raise.

Posted by: capscoach | July 7, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Can't believe people are so against this signing...I really used to HATE Schultz, but BB and GMGM had faith that he would develop into something...and he was right! Schultz was solid this season and rareley made mistakes...remember that he was paired with Green who often left him on his own to go score goals! It is only b/c of schultz that Green could do what he did...also he is young and getting better every year. I think this will turn out to be a good deal in the long run. Alzner may or may not get better than him and Carlson is more like green with an offensive flare. He's not flashy and yes he is not all that physical, but he is extremely responsible and deserved a nice raise.

Posted by: capscoach | July 7, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

@underpants2

R u serious! Schultz may not be physical but he is RESPONSIBLE and mad very few mistakes over the season that led to goals. Shoa Mo hit people but MAN was he constantly out of position and letting guys get by him...schultz screens goalies AND covered for Green when he went to oin the offense...good signing by GMGM!

Posted by: capscoach | July 7, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

@Lloyd...give some examples of better defensemen available for 2.75 million average, who are not on their ELC?

Posted by: boomer44 | July 7, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse
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I personally think Volchenkov would have been a better fit (and yes I know he costs more, but I would have been willing to risk it). Shultz wouldn't have been so bad if they tied him up for only 1 or 2 more years but 4 years (as we've seen with Nylander) is a very long time to have someone on the payroll that may or may NOT get better. As he is now. I don't think Shultz is worth 11 mil over 4 years. If he gets better great, but how often does that really work out? He's already been in the NHL for 3 years and still doesn't use his size to his advantage at all. I think he did have a much better year this year, but I think 4 years is just too big of a risk to take on someone that we hope will "get better" with age. Only time will tell. I think it took some balls to extend that offer though, and I'm glad my neck isn't on the line for it.

Posted by: LloydChristmas | July 7, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

After reviewing folks opinions on this blog for the past year...I can understand the opinions other sites on this site...and, will likely not be reading CI anytime soon (some will be missed like richmondphil, etc.). Good luck buddy.


Posted by: ralCapsFan | July 7, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

@capscoach

As usual, Jeff Schultz is one of the most polarizing member of the Caps. It seems like Schultz has more than his share of haters.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 7, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

We also all seem to forget that the Caps are a top team in a piss poor division which can certainly skew the stats for our D making them look better then they actually are.

Posted by: LloydChristmas | July 7, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

After reviewing folks opinions on this blog for the past year...I can understand the opinions other sites on this site...and, will likely not be reading CI anytime soon (some will be missed like richmondphil, etc.). Good luck buddy.


Posted by: ralCapsFan | July 7, 2010 9:23 PM

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Geez it's just a friendly discussion in here, dude. What would be the fun of going to a message board where everyone agrees with everyone elses views and thoughts? Seems like a pretty lame site, if you ask me.
We don't all have to drink 100% of the Caps Kool Aid, just 90% :P

Posted by: LloydChristmas | July 7, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

@LloydChristmas

were u talking to me? B/C I was not upset or anything...just expressing my opinion...also I am not a dude...I lack a Y chromosone.

Posted by: capscoach | July 7, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

@RedskinsXXVI

I would probably rank Schultz ahead of Green on the most hated Cap on the list of many fans but know where you're coming from. There has been an awful lot of criticism of Green as well.

Of course, my favorite Cap, outside of Ovi, is the most hated Cap on many people's list.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 7, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

I know this isnt about jeff sarge schultz. but, i so agree, with people on here, saying we need hotter ice girls. and maybe a few smarter ones. since one said, her favorite book is facebook......i dont think i need to even comment, to make that funny. BACK to hockey. I was very ehh with schultz last couple of years, but now i sort of like him. Id rather have him sign for 3 years, not 4.but whatever. I want the caps to get an agitator. Not a fighter, but someone that talks too much. Im not asking for an avery but someone who plays like a darcy tucker, or a tie domi. Just because, we need more gritt, and someone who is definitly more then willing to throw there body around. I also wish we had a defensemen like vladimir konstantinov. *sighs*

Posted by: samrosen8 | July 7, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

@ dull
re: Bears loading up for Calder III.

My friends down in chocolateville inform that their formula, forever,has been to sign career AHLers who have better than ave talent, i.e. Aucoin, Giroux, Kane, Bourque, Helmer, Mink (last year) and spread the prospects across the lines as in Beagle, Perrault, Bouchard, Fehr, Flash, Quint Lang........same on defense with Alzner, Sloan, Schultz, Greene and Carlson...same with goalies of 1 career AHL vet and 1 prospect as in Varly and ...........well you get the picture. Add to that the Hershey philosphy of underpaying their staff and coaches, overcharging for parking and tickets, providing decent concession food and BAM!!!... the lemmings line up to jump off the season ticket cliff. The unrealized part of it all is the fans think they've created the frenzy when actually it is designed pandemonium by an old boys club called Hershey Entertainment & Resorts. Key word is "entertainment". Many Bears fans have conveyed on various sites that this will be a defining year for the coaches as they expect probably an average at best team when you haven't signed the Helmers, Kanes and other lockerroom leaders by this date - not a morale booster even when they are asked to return. games, games, games. This has been a good affiliate thus far for developing prospects as Caps dictate who and when for 80% of the players down there. As long the hershey brass doesn't get too big of heads as was the case with Colorado when hershey thought they made all the decisions resulting in termination and some lean years for the PA franchise. Baltimore could easily support an AHL affiliate for the Caps and it would be a lot closer to see the young kids in action.

Posted by: rockdaredlangely | July 7, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

We also all seem to forget that the Caps are a top team in a piss poor division which can certainly skew the stats for our D making them look better then they actually are.

Posted by: LloydChristmas | July 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Schultz was +24 in 25 games against the other 7 EC playoff teams. He was +23 in 21 games against the SE. So it definitely wasn't because of the SE that his stats were so high - he was at his best against the other top EC teams.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 7, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

ralCapsFan:
this site is like lewis black - 24x7

from wikipedia:
"Lewis Niles Black (born August 30, 1948) is an American stand-up comedian, author, playwright, and actor. He is known for his comedy style, which often includes simulating a mental breakdown, or an increasingly angry rant, ridiculing history, politics, religion, trends and cultural phenomena"

except:
history = caps
politics = gmgm
religion = semin
trends = schultz and
cultural phenomena = bb

note: items in bold above are performed pretty much by the hour - you can't leave, its only the 1st intermission!!

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 7, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

The whole SE is weak argument is not very strong in my opinion...one of the teams we had the toughest times against last season was NC...TB played us hard and though we won...we had to fight, the only team we thoroughly outplayed was the Panthers. I would argue that we played better against other divisions.

Posted by: capscoach | July 7, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

@Lloyd

Dude...no worries...I am not saying anything is 'wrong'...just that I prefer a more prefer specific discussion other than what sometimes (i.e. Schultz is no good...) seems to appear here. I appreciate stats and too many times over the last season I have season take the 'Larry Murphy' view of Schultz on this site...seem ignorance is all.

Posted by: ralCapsFan | July 7, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Rockdaredlangely, I'm surprised to hear the negativity about the Hershey franchise. Yes indeed, pro sports are all about entertainment, and it certainly seems like Hershey management provide an entertaining product - it seemed to me like there were a lot of happy people in the building when they won the Calder Cup, anyway. If the formula were so easy to duplicate, I would think that others would do so. And it seems like it works for the fans, the players, the Hershey organization, and the Caps. I guess I don't understand what your problem is with the way the team is run.

Posted by: zmega | July 7, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

aww i was hopin mcPhee's big deadline acquisition would stick around.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 7, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton...I agree wih your stated desire for grittier more physical players, that has always been my preference as well. But the game today has changed, it is a speed game, ther is less interference & cluth n grab hockey. My question to you is what did McPhee do to you anyways, I know I don't always agree with his moves, but he was the architect behind the rebuild that has garnered three straight division wins and back to back 50 win seasons. Yes they have disappointed in the playoffs, but there is always next year. I believe the Caos have done a very good job with the rebuild and to have a strong team fo rthe next 4-5 years.

Posted by: boomer44 | July 7, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Just as bad as LBJ is what Kovy is doing ... just freaking sign already.

Posted by: flee001 | July 7, 2010 2:53 PM |

What the hell is he "doing"?
He's going over his options as to where he is going to sign next, he is in no way comparable to Lebron. He is comparable to Forsberg, Sundin, and other high-profile names who take a while to figure out where to sign.

I am so sick of reading people constantly bash Kovy when they would do just about anything to have a guy like him on their team. He's an explosive offensive force, unmatched by very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very few in the world. If he wants to spend a week or two to re-sign, what's the big deal?

There is only one reason I can think of as to why the hammer has fallen so hard on Kovalchuk; he's Russian, and because he's Russian, every single Russian stereotype is attached to him.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 8, 2010 12:47 AM | Report abuse

i dont understand why ppl bash shultze he led us in +/- , the one thing i wish for this team is to fire boudreau i dont think hes even a real coach, or atleast he should be an assistant, he knows nothing of defense. and on another note if anyone here thinks flash and semin are disposable, then you dont recognise talent, espesially semin id probly stop watching caps if they get rid of semin he is the most talented player in the league he is an offensive wizard and hes very good at pk and defense, hell start being more consistent and if gm cant be patient than hes an idiot

Posted by: 081928 | July 8, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Defenseman 1: Skated 19:51 min per game, played 73 games, 54 goals were scored against his team while he was on the ice (27% of the goals scored against his team in the games he played, 24% of the total goals scored against his team for the season.) Scored 3 goals, 23 points - 0 on the power play, I think.

Defenseman 2: Skated 25:44 min per game, played 82 games, 85 goals were scored against his team while he was on the ice (38% of the goals scored against his team.)
Scored 10 goals, 55 points, 26 of which were on the PP.

Posted by: piratusus | July 8, 2010 2:48 AM | Report abuse

@081928 |

fire BB...PLEASE...the man took us from last place to a playoff birth in half a season his first year...then he took us to game 7 against the eventual stanle cup champs...he won the presidents trophy this season and then had his firt REAL upset for us in the playoffs...upsets are going to happen...they happen all the time in every sport!

As for Semin...he is uber talented...but patience will bring about nothing with that guy...he is not young anymore...he's in his prime now...its down hill after the next 2 yrs. If the Caps can deal with him then thats fine...but I will not cry over losing his 6 mil. cap hit. I mean I hope he stays for this season, but he is gone after that...and I doubt he'll stay in the NHL.

Posted by: capscoach | July 8, 2010 6:23 AM | Report abuse

@081928 |

fire BB...PLEASE...the man took us from last place to a playoff birth in half a season his first year...then he took us to game 7 against the eventual stanle cup champs...he won the presidents trophy this season and then had his firt REAL upset for us in the playoffs...upsets are going to happen...they happen all the time in every sport!

As for Semin...he is uber talented...but patience will bring about nothing with that guy...he is not young anymore...he's in his prime now...its down hill after the next 2 yrs. If the Caps can deal with him then thats fine...but I will not cry over losing his 6 mil. cap hit. I mean I hope he stays for this season, but he is gone after that...and I doubt he'll stay in the NHL.

Posted by: capscoach | July 8, 2010 6:23 AM | Report abuse

the problem is we largely have stick checkers on D not hitters and schmaltz is chief among them--green is up on the play, potty who everybody loves is the biggest stick checker, erskine post concussion is not the same hitter he once was and we are left w/the 2 kids who will hit someone---this is all well and good during the regular season while we are scoring 5-6 goals a game but will not work in the playoffs when you have to put a body on someone---we couldn't even put a body on camalleri who is 5'5''!!

Posted by: ovckn8 | July 8, 2010 6:30 AM | Report abuse

There's always this:

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=326923

"Among the guests are Fisher's teammates, Chris Phillips and Chris Neil."

That reception hall is gonna get destroyed.

Posted by: Fro_ | July 8, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

@rockdaredlangley

Baltimore Skipjacks--read their histroy and then reconsider.

Posted by: adhardwick | July 8, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

@gonchpup,

Good on you for taking on some of these self-styled GMs, the second comings of James Scott Bowman...sounds like our backgrounds are similar, and I agree completely. I happen to like the deal, but I'll be the first to say that I have no real insight into all of the factors GMGM, his folks and Ted were looking at and the rationale for making the decision they made. Again, good post.

Posted by: NorthFork1 | July 8, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

@chopin224:

I'm not sure if you are referring to me as that gent... but thanks (I think) if you are!

I put about 3/4 weight into +/-, and base it on how well the team is doing too.

For example, if your team does not make the playoffs and over an 82 game set has given up 230 goals and only scored 210, yet you are a +5, that's a very good season, relative to the team.

So for me, Schultzy's +50 is pretty damn good

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 8, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

The next rude awakening: we don't win the SE Division. I think this happens sooner than most punch-drunk Caps fans want to believe. 'Canes and Thrashers are waaay better than last year. Tampa finally is not rudderless, and the Cats will be very very good in 2-3 years.

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | July 8, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

How are the Canes way better than they were last year?

Posted by: sgm3 | July 8, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Congrats, keep overpaying our underperforming defense... We will not win the Cup with this D

Posted by: Witter | July 8, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I really don't understand why fans of this posting bash Shultz and Green relentlessly. Yes, they are not Scott Stevens & Langway. Get over it. Take a look at these guys raw numbers and then learn something about hockey. Schultz does not turn the puck over, always has a positive plus/minus, block shots and plays on a d-pairing with a D-man in Green whose job description entails trying to score leaving him out on an island. The only knock I see in his game is that he doesn't use his 6-6 frame to squash opponents in the corners. Perhaps that will develop, maybe not. I'll take him on a very affordable deal. He WILL be their top 4 d-man for the entirety of his contract. While we are whining about what Shultz doesn't do, take a look at Poti. Last season he had 19 hits in 70+ games. I play in a non-checking mens league and i'm involved in more hits in about 25 games. That folks is a soft player!

Posted by: jimc93 | July 8, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

The next rude awakening: we don't win the SE Division. I think this happens sooner than most punch-drunk Caps fans want to believe. 'Canes and Thrashers are waaay better than last year. Tampa finally is not rudderless, and the Cats will be very very good in 2-3 years.

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | July 8, 2010 9:48 AM

Not going to happen within the next 2-3 years. Those teams are all improved, but to the point of making the playoffs - not to the point of challenging the Caps for the division. The Caps dominated the Atlantic division just as much as the SE, and did fairly well against the NE. I wouldn't be surprised to see either 2 or 3 SE teams in the playoffs for each of the next few years - but the Caps will still be the division champs.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 8, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Congrats, keep overpaying our underperforming defense... We will not win the Cup with this D

Posted by: Witter | July 8, 2010 9:56 AM

+50, with half of that coming against the rest of the EC teams that made the playoffs, is underperforming? That's real intelligent.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 8, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

@jimc93

I agree. But to add on to that, Poti was the Caps best defesneman in the playoffs and he did so without hitting much. Being physical and hitting a lot is a positive but it is not mandatory that a player hit a lot to be a good defenseman(look at the Blackhaws who, other than Seabrook, barely ever hit anybody).

Posted by: sgm3 | July 8, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

@timmyv38

While I think Atlatna and Tampa have improved I think Florida and Carolina have regressed in terms of how the teams will be next year.

Carolina lost Ray Whitney and have added nobody and a strict $45M budget has been imposed on them this year by ownership so they are not going to take on much salary.

Florida lost Horton and Ballard and did not get much in return in terms of players playing in the 2010-2011 season. I also expect Vokoun to be traded at some point near the deadline.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 8, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

How are the Canes way better than they were last year?

Posted by: sgm3 | July 8, 2010 9:54 AM

Obviously Political Strategist was referring to Brind Amour retiring and Corvo returning. I guess he feels that alone will allow the Canes to make up the like 60 pts! they were behind the Caps last year.

Then again, maybe he was also the guy who called Dewey over Truman.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 8, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

@ leftcoast. Nothing to say but "Shh"? Figures. Class dismissed.


Posted by: smfoster3 | July 8, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

@Lloyd

Dude...no worries...I am not saying anything is 'wrong'...just that I prefer a more prefer specific discussion other than what sometimes (i.e. Schultz is no good...) seems to appear here. I appreciate stats and too many times over the last season I have season take the 'Larry Murphy' view of Schultz on this site...seem ignorance is all.

Posted by: ralCapsFan | July 7, 2010 9:57 PM
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All I know is, I'm ready for the season to start, and it's only July :(

Posted by: LloydChristmas | July 8, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Well, just over an hour from now we find out if Nylander clears waivers. I kinda thought the Isles would claim him as they only pay $3M cash but get a credit toward cap of $4.875M (they are under cap floor). Since nobody (read: Kovalchuk) wants their cash, this could be the only way to get to cap floor. Plus, they've expressed interest in Nyles before. And, if he picks up his game, depending on how they do, they could move him come March 1st and get a #2 or 3 pick.

Or, could it be, that claiming Nyles could convince Kovy to head there? JK

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 8, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

So, it sounds to me that many of you are happy with status quo even though the team was bounced out of the playoffs in the first round this past year. Do you really think status quo will equal a different result this upcoming season?

I just don't get some of you, obviously there are some changes needed for this team to go to the promised land. I am not upset about the Schultz signing but Boyd fricking Gordon and it appears Flush will still be around as well. Finally there is simply no excuse to not sign free agents to fill the obvious holes this team has:

#1 or 2 Dman

Vet 2nd line center

Tough, gritty 3rd line winger

These three things need to be addressed or they will be golfing in May again next season.

Posted by: PhilR | July 8, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

KOVY BEING BACKED INTO CORNER

Here is quote I got from nhl.com:

"According to Elliott, the Kings reportedly offered him $63 million across 12 years, an annual cap hit of $5.25 million, or $84.5 million across 13 years, an annual cap hit of $6.5 million."

The other day I posted that Backstrom was "better than Kovalchuk." Well, apparently the Kings agree. Obviously, Kovy doesn't want the Isles' cash and wants to play on a winner. Will the Devils still offer a reported $60M for seven years given this? Remember, they must move contract I think before they can sign him due to 10% temp over limit (not sure if they would be over that). Given the back-and-forth nature of this, do the Devils move a contract and take the risk that the Kovy signing doesn't then go south, leaving them like the dog who dropped the meat into the reflection pool in the Aesop's Fable?

Kings were willing to go 6.5. I believe Kovy is truly worth 7.5, which is what Gaborik gets. Maybe he is worth 8.0, depends on how you evaluate his game other than goal scoring. OK, 8.0 - but not one penny more. To pay him over that hurts the salary structure in the league and will, likely, make it harder to sign Semin before he goes UFA.

Stay tuned.

Finally, will the Nylander saga end at noon EDT?

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 8, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1:

Did you see this?

http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/fireice/comments/kings_drop_out_of_kovalchuk_sweepstakes_again/P300/

Kovalchuk really hasn't helped his public image with this thing.

Posted by: Thisistheyear | July 8, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

PhilR - I don't think the Caps lost in the 1st round due to having major weaknesses in personnel, nor do I see a serious need for trading and shopping the free agency market. Simply put, the lack of a few powerplay goals cost us. It dried up at the wrong time. One or two new players aren't going to guarantee anything.

Posted by: gonchpup | July 8, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Read that the Caps may be interested in bringing back Brash. Personally, I would rather have McGrattan. Caps should try to get either Jackman from the Blues or Bieska from the Canucks.


Posted by: StanleyCap | July 7, 2010 8:33 PM |

@StanleyCap: I loved having The Donald in a Caps sweater, but agree that his time may be over. If you must have an enforcer, what about LaRaque?. I'm with you on Bieksa, particularly if the Caps sign Mitchell, because:

1) Vancouver has an abundance of quality D-Men, but needs more depth up front.
2) Bieksa and Mitchell have skated together effectively as the Canucks' shut-down pairing.


So, I would send Fleischmann and a pick to Vancouver for Bieksa, sign Mitchell and seek that 2C from another trade (Erskine/Sloane?) or free agency. Thus our defensive pairs would be (in no particular order):

Green/Schultz
Carlson/Alzner
Bieksa/Mitchell
Poti

@ RedskinsXXVI: Too True. I feel compelled to ask of such people: Let's just say that BB gets canned, GMGM likewise, and all the players you hate get traded/waived.


Who will you hate on then?


Though there is a clear trend of sginificant improvement in his play, Jeff Schultz is not--and probably never will be--Chris Pronger. But that really is OK! And let's be honest: do we really want him to be? I don't think so: for all his skills and strength, Pronger has often been a jerk on the ice and a cancer in the locker room. Besides (as I have said before), Ka-Bonging every oppsing player who ventures into your defensive zone is not the only way to be effective on defense, and anything that keeps the puck out of your own net will satisfy.

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 8, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

gonchpup,

So you do not feel that with a real 2nd line center last postseason they would not have potted a few more goals? That 2nd line center position is a GLARING defect with this team along with a Dman who is not afraid to as Rhino40 put it "Ka-Bong" opposing players who are camped out in the crease.

Posted by: PhilR | July 8, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

@rhino40

You can't have Poti and his $3.5M salary be the 7th defender. It is a waste of salary cap room. Bieska costs $3.75M(I think). So it would have to be one or the other with Bieska and Mitchell (unless POti got moved).

Posted by: sgm3 | July 8, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

theyear: Yes, that was essentially the same article. Sounds like he's not happy with the offers and has sent his agent begging.

I said it when he turned down Atlanta's offer - the only way he'd ever again see a contract that big would be if he were reading someone else's.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 8, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

tom:

I read somewhere that he wants to make more than Ovechkin. If he had signed with Atlanta that would have happened, but methinks he wanted his cake and to eat it also, which is not happening in this salary-cap world. Good for both GM's - LA and NJ - for not getting into a bidding war.

Posted by: Thisistheyear | July 8, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm waiting to see Nylander play in Hershey then get called up ;-)

Actually I agree, I though the Isles would have grabbed him.

Posted by: Iceman10 | July 8, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

@PhilR: With all respect, I must ask that you not take me out of context.

Please re-read my post carefully: While I do agree that keeping opposin skaters out of our goaltenders' faces is indeed very important, I did not mention "clearing the crease" specifically.

What I did mean that was that ka-bonging all opposing players who cross our blue line (emphases mine) is not neccessarily the sine qua non of effective defense...i.e., one should not take oneself out of the play/out of position solely because an opportunity to hit someone presents itself.

Also, for all the bad mouthing of "stick checkers" that I see on this board, a stick check/poke check is very often (not always, but often) the right play to make.

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 8, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Rhino40,

I knew what you were saying but just liked the word "Ka-Bong." Reminded me of Quickdraw McGraw cartoons from when I was a kid!!

And while I agree that stick checking is the right move a lot of the time a Dman can not allow an opposing player to set up camp and cook marshmallows and hot dogs in the crease, hence the need to "Ka-Bong" said player!

Posted by: PhilR | July 8, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Rhino40: It was cstanton1 who pointed out that the Caps defenders were predominantly stick checkers. And I have picked up on and repeated that. It isn't that stick checking is bad, it's just that all of defenders play that same way. Call Jo used to play that way, and he was great, and Cote pplayed that way a lot, but when they were paied with like Reekie you had a little of each.

A good defensive pair maybe is a poker and a banger.

That really doesn't sound very good, does it?

BTW, I still expect a move. Caps only have two RHD (Carlson & Green) and BB has shown that he likes the d pairs to be matched of a similar style. JC and MG play very similar style, as do most of the portsiders. We need another RHD to balance. Vokch would have been that, even though he's a lefty. It is needed to fill spot that was Corvo, and before that Pothier (who I guess is a UFA).

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 8, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

@PhilR:

No argument from me there. It's just that I have read "crease-clearing" so many times that it has almost become cliché...

One might even be led to believe that d-men should (or actually do) specialize in this one facet of defensive competency, at the sacrifice of all others.

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 8, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Boy, I need to type a bit better.

That's "Calle Jo," and "played" and then "paired."

And that line still doesn't read well.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 8, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

I just like that you are describing the differences between a poker and a banger.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 8, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

That's "Calle Jo," and "played" and then "paired."

And that line still doesn't read well.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 8, 2010 1:28 PM

its OK - i was able to piece it together. maybe you still have some blurry vision (a little water in the eyes) from yesterday storms.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 8, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps if we had some of the old guard on this roster, there would not be so much high pitched whining.

...and I have said it before, I dont need the best of the best, give me:

Mark Tinordi, Calle Johansson, Sergei Gonchar, Sylvain Cote, Joe Reekie, Brendan Witt

la copa de stanley!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 8, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

PhilR - I just think it was more of a team being snake-bitten when it came to finding the back of the net. A #2 center? Belanger and BMo were not the problem. The pucks were distributed, the shots were made, they were blocked by the Habs, hit posts, and Halak came up big several times. As for our D, no overall blame there. I recall several of the Habs key goals were off blueline turnovers and a quick counter. Our D had little chance to catch up with Montreal's speed in those situations. Having the stereotypical "stay-at-home" D man is more of a strategy. Bruce could instill a more defensive plan and keep them back more conservatively, but it would take away from the offensive numbers. It's all about goal differential. Against the Habs, we just couldn't find the net.

Posted by: gonchpup | July 8, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

'Canes and Thrashers are waaay better than last year. Tampa finally is not rudderless, and the Cats will be very very good in 2-3 years.

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | July 8, 2010 9:48 AM |

How are the Canes way better?

Posted by: richmondphil | July 8, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I would love to see the Flyers Asham in a Caps uniform.He adds the physical presence and looked pretty good in the playoffs. He would help protect Ovie and Backs and still add skill. He's not a heavy weight but would certainly be respected.

Posted by: jmcale57 | July 8, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Kings were willing to go 6.5. I believe Kovy is truly worth 7.5, which is what Gaborik gets. Maybe he is worth 8.0, depends on how you evaluate his game other than goal scoring. OK, 8.0 - but not one penny more. To pay him over that hurts the salary structure in the league and will, likely, make it harder to sign Semin before he goes UFA.

Stay tuned.

Finally, will the Nylander saga end at noon EDT?

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 8, 2010 11:49 AM |

You are crazy if you think Kovalchuk is worh the same as Gaborik. I love both of them as players, but Kovalchuk is hands down the better player. Couple that with the fact that Gaborik is oft-injured, and it should be easy to see why Kovy is worth more.

Also, if I read one more comment about how Kovalchuk doesn't play any defense, I'm going to lose my mind. Did people even watch him at all as a Devil?!?!?! He backchecked all the freaking time. Those Russian stereotypes...

Posted by: richmondphil | July 8, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I am the biggest Kovalchuck fan, but he may have blown it and be a man without options. His cake is $10MM/yr AND to be on a contender -- the only thing he will be eating now is a lot of humble pie, or Borshch in St. Petersburgh.

"I know Alexander Ovechkin. Alexander Ovechkin is a friend of mine and every bit worth the ~$10MM/yr. You, Mr. Kovalchuck are no Alexander Ovechkin. Infact, you are not even Nicklas Backstrom" - Ghost of Lloyd Bentsen, Texas Congressman, avid hockey fan (NOT)

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | July 8, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

I just like that you are describing the differences between a poker and a banger.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 8, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

****

Funniest post of the offseason, and it's not even close.

So, did Nyls clear waivers? And what do the folks here who are fine with - or love - the Schultz signing think the Caps are still planning player acquisition wise?

I liked Belanger, would like a tough DMan who can skate, and would be fine with adding a rough and tumble 3rd line winger.

Maybe Perrault is ready to be Belanger, but that sounds like a stretch to me. I don't know who on D we can afford to address our toughness deficit along the blue line - not that Erskine isn't tough, but his skills seem to have eroded considerably.

As for the third line winger someone posted earlier as a real personnel need, couldn't Scott Walker perform that role well (or is he not fast / big / skilled enough)?

Posted by: knk4jack | July 8, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

@knk4jack

I would like to sign John Madden to a 1 year deal and make some trade with the Hawks to acquire RFA Hjamaralsson. Burying Erskine in the minors (or trading him for a 7th round pick if possible) should give the Caps enough room for this. It also leaves open the possibility of trading Flash for something. (Chicago wouldn't want Flash because of money reasons)

Posted by: sgm3 | July 8, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I know its somewhat off-topic but I just gotta...

It always cracks me up when people promote Crosby and bad-Mouth Ovechkin, painting the former as the stalwart Guardian of All That Is Good In Hockey, and the latter as some ruffian interloper who has no respect for the game's traditions.

Yet there is one incident in particular that clearly shows the error of that assumption:

Gordy Howe--a man everyone must agree is one of the all-time greats--said of Ovechkin after meeting him in the locker room during a game last season:

"There's 18 guys sitting down and he's the only one who jumped up to shake my hand. He shows respect for the older players."

If that isn't respect for the traditions of hockey, I don't know what is.


As for Crosby...well, must I enumerate?

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 8, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Late to the party, but I'm not a fan of keeping Schultz. Not that I think he sucks or that his contract is outrageous (a little high), just that the Caps do need to add some physical Dmen to balance out the position guys. As was noted on this blog a few days back, Lidstrom may be a wizard with the stick, but the Wings are not a team of stick checkers. Looking at the Caps defense, they have no one (besides Erskine) that can compensate for the Caps non physical D.

Posted by: ablake70 | July 8, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I always laugh when I see trade scenarios posted here. Like they consider in the least the other team's needs.

Looks like the Caps will go to training camp with Fleishmann, Johansson and Perreault battling for the 2nd line center position. If none of them come through, they'll look to make a deal. McPhee isn't going to panic; they have more than enough scoring for the regular season.

They failed on the power play during the playoffs because most of their skill players didn't want to take the in-front-of-the-net beating in order to get dirty goals. A 2nd line center alone isn't going to help them there.

Posted by: pga6 | July 8, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

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