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Posted at 8:43 AM ET, 01/20/2011

A look at how other teams with two goalies split duties

By Katie Carrera

In working on the story for Thursday's paper about the health of Washington's two 22-year-old goaltenders Semyon Varlamov and Michal Neuvirth, the question of whether any other team in the league had two goaltenders going back and forth in net partially because of injury naturally came up. Granted the Capitals always planned on splitting time between Varlamov and Neuvirth, the injuries to both have often dictated when each would be in net.

First it was a matter of finding teams that have split their starts, for the most part, between two goaltenders. From there, we looked at how many games each goalie missed with an injury -- this might not include games where a player is unable to play with a minor injury that is not listed in the league's seasonal records.

It wasn't included in the final story so, for those who are interested, the numbers are after the jump. It's a look at the rest of the league simply for comparison sake, while understanding that the Capitals embarked on an approach in goal no other team has in relying on the young tandem.

The other teams that split their goaltending duties evenly between two players, seem to do so based solely on competition with both netminders healthy or if one suffers an injury that shifts the balance to the other. No other team appears to have had multiple goaltenders come out and back in to the lineup repeatedly with injuries.

Chicago Blackhawks:
Marty Turco, 25 games started, 0 missed due to injury
Corey Crawford, 23 games started, 0 missed due to injury

Colorado Avalanche:
Craig Anderson, 26 games started, 13 missed with knee and groin injuries
Peter Budaj, 20 games started, 0 missed due to injury

Columbus Blue Jackets:
Steve Mason, 29 games started, 1 missed with a groin injury
Mathieu Garon, 19 games started, 0 missed due to injury

Minnesota Wild:
Niklas Backstrom, 27 games started, 4 missed with a hip injury (returned Weds)
Jose Theodore, 17 games started, 4 missed with a hip injury

San Jose Sharks:
Antti Niemi, 26 games started, 0 missed due to injury
Antero Nittymaki, 21 games started, 0 missed due to injury

Toronto Maple Leafs:
Jonas Gustavsson, 21 games started, 0 missed due to injury
Jean-Sebastien Giguere, 18 games started, missed 11 with a groin injury

By Katie Carrera  | January 20, 2011; 8:43 AM ET
Categories:  Michal Neuvirth, Semyon Varlamov  
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Comments

Notice something about these teams in the standings. Only the Hawks and the Avs are in the playoffs and they are sitting in the 7 and 8 spot in the West. I am fine with sharing but at somepoint we need someone to step up and be a clear #1. We can't have another goalie switch in the playoffs.

Posted by: icehammer97 | January 20, 2011 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I think you missed probably the best example of a team with two goaltenders, the Detroit Red Wings. They have a clear number one in Jimmy Howard but he frequently shares the net with veteran Chris Osgood. This would seem to me to be the best model of a team using two goalies in the league, you certainly can't argue with the results it's produced.

Posted by: hockeytown | January 20, 2011 9:35 AM | Report abuse

I find it funny when people on here keep calling for Laich to get the C and he is "the true leader". But the facts really speak for themself. The "C" is voted on by the players...and Im not sure how the "A"s get determined. So correct me if Im wrong, but Ovie bears the "C" and Backstrom, Knuble, ChimChim, and Poti are the ones who have donned the "A" this season. I dont believe Laich has.

So if he is such a "great leader", why has he not even worn the "A". Maybe what you feel and see from from the press (news and radio) might be skewing your opinion. And we all know he hasnt really played his best hockey this year, so he cant possibly be leading via his on ice play.

Im just curious where all these calls for Laich for Captain come from? And Im not trying to belittle you, I really would like to know. Thanks. Sincerely, SAOTI.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | January 20, 2011 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I wonder what the Vegas odds are that the Islanders score in the first 5 minutes tonight.

Posted by: sgm3 | January 20, 2011 10:11 AM | Report abuse

what's the over/under on player/coach quotes saying "we need to have a quick start right out of the gate"?

Posted by: Bagher | January 20, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

OK, I confess that I felt #21 should be Captain because the Brooksie does know how to communicate with the press in a way that is to be expected of a team captain.

He is an intelligent and eloquent spokesman for the team, which IMHO, is an important (though by no means the only) facet of a Captain's overall reponsibilities.

In short, that he gives great sound bite (and don't you dare try turning that into one of your sick double entendres, SAOTI!) would seem to give credence to the idea that he should be Captain. That and the fact that--although his numbers haven't seemed great (but whose have?)--you almost never see him "phoning it in".

Make no mistake, I think Ovie is great, but IMHO the Caps could do far worse than having Brooks Laich as their Captain.

Posted by: Rhino40 | January 20, 2011 10:20 AM | Report abuse

what's the over/under on player/coach quotes saying "we need to have a quick start right out of the gate"?

Posted by: Bagher

97 with each player and coach saying it at least once.

Posted by: sgm3 | January 20, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Isn't Laich the players' rep to the NHLPA? If so, that certainly says something about what his teammates think of him.

Posted by: pirate1 | January 20, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Start DJ Stretch! Why not? can't hurt....

Posted by: OviFan08 | January 20, 2011 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I think Fehr is the PA rep this year. It might still be Laich, but I'm pretty sure i read somewhere that he wasn't the rep anymore.

Posted by: GFisher1 | January 20, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

If A Gordon was sent down to Hershey, does that mean DJK is definitely in for tonight? Or, is there another forward I am missing, as I only count 12 being active right now??

Posted by: MattBradley10 | January 20, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I sense a trade....

Posted by: capsaintkiss | January 20, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

If A Gordon was sent down to Hershey, does that mean DJK is definitely in for tonight? Or, is there another forward I am missing, as I only count 12 being active right now??

Posted by: MattBradley10 |

I think you are correct.

Posted by: sgm3 | January 20, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

What is the over under that all of you rats that are running down the mooring lines will try to get back on board when the Capitals get everything on course?

Posted by: fanohock1 | January 20, 2011 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I think Laich is a good guy, but didn't he recently call BB a Genius or something? You've got to subtract a few points for that!

Posted by: kcbrichmond | January 20, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Yeah god forbid some one actually on the team give any of the real details of what happens "in the room" ...

Having said that, when coaches are on their way out there are players who support him in the press, vote of confidence type stuff. It can be the kiss of death.

Posted by: GFisher1 | January 20, 2011 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I've got a question for anyone and everyone out there.

How do you feel about trading Semin for Kopitar from the Kings? There might need to be some other "pieces" to get the deal done, but would that improve the team?

Just wondering.

Posted by: jwash4472 | January 20, 2011 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Since the players and coaches say the same excuses all the time they should just have Morgan Freeman record them so at least when we hear their excuses they will sound good.

So from now on any time someone from the press asks a question they can just hit play on a cd player and walk away.

Posted by: natresgroup | January 20, 2011 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Kings would never do that so come back to reality.

Posted by: GFisher1 | January 20, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

@GFisher -Why not? Kopitar seems to be falling out of favor in LA and Semin might be a nice addition to the team. The whole change of scenery thing comes to mind.

I'm not arguing, just curious as to how you came to your conclusion. Is it salary cap, just not interested?

Posted by: jwash4472 | January 20, 2011 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Here's my deal. I am a Kool-aid drinker, this year, last year, the years the boys finished 14th in the conference consecutive seasons, the season they didn't make the playoffs after going to the Stanley Cup Finals the year before...

My point is, I support the team good or bad. The good years are much better than the bad of course and this year is particularly difficult considering the expectations coming into the season and the lack of moves this past off-season to address concerns we, as fans, had. I do believe some of the concerns will be addressed within the next few weeks. I am glad the Capitals gave Johansson a chance this season. If the Caps would have given up on him as early as some on here did we wouldn't have seen just how talented this kid is and has shown he is the last month or so.

Now, for those that can't afford to go to games, I get it, I really do, I have been there. For those of you that can and say you refuse to go, and say that you don't have to go to be a fan, I don't get that at all. I believe that some of the fans that are financially strapped would be at the games if they could afford to do so. The fact is, if people don't go you ownership doesn't generate the cash flow to put a competitive team on the ice. Ted has without a doubt shown the willingness to spend money, he's right up against the Cap this season again. Yes, I agree, some of the players have been bad decisions, but the fact remains, ownership will spend the money when the fans go to the games. Worse, if butts aren't in seats we run the risk of losing our team. It has been saved once before by die hard fans.

Trust me, no one, I mean no one wants these guys to win the whole salami more than me. I am tired of taking abuse from my Flyers and Penguins friends and it would be great to be able to say we won it in XXXX. Another thing you won't see from me is a jersey with a number on it. No, it's not because I am a cheapskate, it is because I'm a Caps fan. Players come and go, but I remain a Caps fan.

Posted by: fanohock1 | January 20, 2011 11:06 AM | Report abuse

@jwash4472

I would be happy with semin for kopitar, and i think if we tacked on a pick/prospect they may do that.

But i don't think it would happen because semin hates the spotlight so kings probably feel he wouldn't resign with them.

Posted by: _stevo | January 20, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

@fanohock

Im as big a fan as you are. I go to 99% of the games. Difference between me and you is, you are as optimistic as it gets, and Im just a realist. Its just a different in personalities, it doesnt make you or me a bigger fan that each other.

I said going into this season we werent going to be close to as good. That all the other teams got better and we in fact got worse. I think now is case in point of why I was worried. We went with pretty much all our young players this year. So when people get hurt you have absolutely nothing to back it up.

For myself, I believe you can only dress 2 or 3 rookies on a team. We are playing 2 goalies, 2 D, and 3 F's right now. And thats not to say those players havent faired well, just there is nothing left behind them when you go this route and people get hurt.

I hope GMGM goes out and get the much needed depth that we need. Which is basically a 2C and another wing. Here is something that would greatly improve our team in my opinion.

Semin + picks to Ottawa for Fisher and Ruutu. (Semin has a chance of signing in Ottawa. Not the main guy, they have Spezza and Alfredson. A Russian in Gonchar).

Then a draft pick or prospect for a top 6 Winger. Maybe like Tanguay. Those are the types of moves I think this team needs to get to the promised land.

Posted by: ThePat | January 20, 2011 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I'm not arguing, just curious as to how you came to your conclusion. Is it salary cap, just not interested?

Posted by: jwash4472

The main reasons would be that Kopitar is now signed for the long-term while Semin is a pending UFA. The Kings would be getting a player they would be unsure of if he would even stick with the team(and Semin could probably get more money out of them as the Kings wouldn't want to lose a player they gave up Kopitar for).

Having the certainty that Kopitar will be is a very important factor.

In addition Kopitar is a center while Semin is a wing.

Posted by: sgm3 | January 20, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

@Rhino

All good points. I just feel because he speaks English well, he gets more interview time and such. I mean really, it's hard to listen to broken English, accented interviews. You spend half the time trying to decipher what the person just said. And as you mentioned, being able to speak is important. However, I feel Ovie can communicate with his team more than just fine and on the ice he can lead by example easily (and I am not one of those he11 bent "you must attend optional skates" types either...honestly, they know better than we do).

Again, not trying to take anything away from Brooks (or "the Brooksie" as you called him). And I agree, seeing Laich with the "C" wouldnt cause me to hang my head or throw my arms in the air while yelling "WTF".

Dont worry, no double sick meanings from me this time, but only because I am still laughing how you accidentally referred to him as The Brooksie. Kind of reminded me of that commercial where the guy was telling everyone to call him The Saver.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | January 20, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

@ThePat

Grrr, always trying to package my boy. (shakes fist angrily at you)

Although your trade makes sense, understand that Ottawa will most likely be attempting a fire sale and wont want to bring a large contract like Semin's especially with no plan to resign him. Ottawa is going to want cheap young players and/or draft picks imo. But to each their own.

P.S. Who is one of your favorite player? (so I can starts requesting for his trading papers lol ) =)

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | January 20, 2011 11:31 AM | Report abuse

ThePat: I agree with your entire post including me not being a better fan than you or anyone else.

I am optimistic, but trust me, I'm not an idiot. I see this team and have major concerns, even with simply making the playoffs. I don't think THEY believe they can win every night, that is worrisome. I don't care what has to be done for our Capitals to be successful. That's why I have absolutely no loyalty to any player, coach, or GM.

Now, when I read balony accusations of players like Ovi out drinking when the HBO special clearly shows him hanging out at home with his parents it ticks me off. It is simply goofy for people to try to tear apart every minute of a player's life and pretend they have inside information on Ovi's whereabouts. He's picked up the name optional because he skips optional practices. News flash, top minute guys on EVERY team in the NHL skip optional practices, they always have, and they always will. I was a hockey player and coach teenage hockey players that will never sniff OHL ice let alone NHL ice. None of the guys, not even King, got where they are because they "suck." To make it to any of the leagues in the OHL, WHL, QMJHL, NCAA, ECHL, AHL, or AHL means they were the best of the best whereever they played. I would love for anyone who played organized hockey to step out onto the NHL ice for even a shift just to see how fast the 4th liners blow past them.

Posted by: fanohock1 | January 20, 2011 11:35 AM | Report abuse

In addition to SGM's reasons, Kopitar is Crosby to them. Would you do Ponikarovsky for Ovechkin? That's basically what it comes down to.

Posted by: GFisher1 | January 20, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Unless the Caps are going to be sellers(which they clearly are not going to be) I don't think it would be wise to trade Semin.

As inconsistent as Semin can be, having a player as skilled as him is very nice to have in the playoffs. He is the type of player who can create something out of nothing and get the unexpected big goals. He also can go 14 straight games without scoring, but the threat of him is very good to have, as long as the Caps do not have to rely on his productivity.

Also, I think people are highly overrating his trade value. The only teams usually looking to add impending UFAs are teams looking to make SC runs. However, they are not likely going to give up a core player for that in return(i.e. a quality center) as they are looking to improve by making additions not changes in personnel.

Deals involing top-6 players switching from both teams rarely happen at the deadline. Those are usually offseason trades, and occassionaly very early in the season trades.

Posted by: sgm3 | January 20, 2011 11:41 AM | Report abuse

"It's disappointing to lose again in overtime. Isn't that when our skill players are supposed to dominate? Anyway, BB's exasperated looks are sooooo old and I think the critical comments of him here are pretty accurate. Bring on the Islanders!!"
Posted by: vermontcaps | January 19, 2011 12:12 AM | Report abuse

"I don't like that Erskine's not practicing because, as we all know, HOW HE GOES THE TEAM GOES. "
Posted by: vermontcaps | January 19, 2011 12:10 PM

Is there an echo in here??

Sheez! Now we can look forward to you quoting yourself every twelve hours?


Posted by: Wiley_One1 | January 19, 2011 9:49 PM | Report abuse

-------------------------------------------

@wiley
It's flattering to know that I've got fans like you who troll these threads looking to catch me an a "I got you" moment. Please know that you're not the only one interested in my posts. Can you believe someone in Vermont has noticed my writings and is interested in meeting with me about them? I know, it sounds too good to be true. I'll be sure to rub it in on these threads if/when something comes to fruition.

Anyway, I know I'm pretty dense so you'll have to explain to me how I quoted myself, within 12 hours, with these posts. This should be good, thanks :)

Posted by: vermontcaps | January 20, 2011 11:41 AM | Report abuse

No need for the "Who shall be the Captain" holywar.
Captain is elected by players. Not press or fans. It's quite simple and there is no need to discuss who is better for the job.
There are many things about Ovi, that we don't know, but his teammates do and seem to respect him.

P.S. Please, pay attention to the bench. To Ovi's gestures, the way he behaves and the reaction of other caps. Ovi actually has more leadership and influence when at the start of the season - it wouldn't be possible, if he lost the locker room

Posted by: Michael01a | January 20, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

"To make it to any of the leagues in the OHL, WHL, QMJHL, NCAA, ECHL, AHL, or AHL means they were the best of the best whereever they played."

In contrast, to make it into the DHL, you just have to have a good personality, like yellow & red uniforms, enjoy international mail service, and fill out an application. =) waka waka waka

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | January 20, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

@SAOTI

haha, i actually like Semin and think he's very talented. But I think he is the only piece we have that gets us the pieces we need. Maybe I am wrong and GMGM can get it done another way.

@sgm3

I dont disagree that trades like that rarely happen. But its the type of trade that can be great for both teams. This team needs a trade like that to happen and you better believe GMGM is trying desperately to make something along those lines happen.

@fanohock

I know what people say on here about players is stupid half the time, but just learn to ignore most of the posts on here. Like Ovi taking his option not to skate, you have the option to completely ignore them :)

Posted by: ThePat | January 20, 2011 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"Can you believe someone in Vermont has noticed my writings and is interested in meeting with me about them? " - vermontcaps

My guesses...

1) Mrs. Erskine

2) A "friend", that wants you to lay on the couch and talk to her, but only after you put on the nifty white jacket with straps.

=) jk bro.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | January 20, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

"What is the over under that all of you rats that are running down the mooring lines will try to get back on board when the Capitals get everything on course?"

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"Get back on board" with what?

I hate to break it to you, but (most of us) are on here because we are Caps fans.

The awesome thing about being a sports fan is that it doesn't come with a universal set of words, thoughts, or actions. Just because our fandom manifests itself differently.

That doesn't make us worse fans than you, or any other accusations of "bandwagondom" that you want to hurl. It just means different.

Some of us just want to succeed more than anything and will express the areas of improvement that we can identify. If you have a problem with that, I don't know what to tell you.

Posted by: VTDuffman | January 20, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

@ThePat

I think Ottawa may be the Caps best bet to get a good deal given the state of Ottawa's team.

I know none of this will happen, but what if the Caps could work out a deal to get Phillips and Fisher. There is a decent possibility both of those players will be traded. To get them, the Caps would have to give up a very good prospect(the Sens are still looking for a goalie but I highly doubt GMGM will trade one given their injury histories).

The deal would have to be complex(the Caps would have to get rid of a D-man for salary purposes) which means it is highly unlikely to happen, but those would be two guys I would like to have.

And just for the dreamers out there, maybe GMGM could get Ottawa to give up Chris Neil also.

Posted by: sgm3 | January 20, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

In addition to SGM's reasons, Kopitar is Crosby to them. Would you do Ponikarovsky for Ovechkin? That's basically what it comes down to.

Posted by: GFisher1

I would say kopitar is our semin/backstrom...drew doughty is their "crosby/ovie/untouchable"

Posted by: _stevo | January 20, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

@fanohock1:

I am with you 100%. "Bartender, pour me another!"


@ThePat:

I can see Fisher being a good addition, but please no Ruutus in Caps sweaters...they are all known cheap shot artists and Jarkko bites--literally. Also, there is historical bad blood between Finns and Swedes, and between Finns and Russians. Do we want that in the room?

@SAOTI--Though you might enjoy that. FTR, as alternatives I had considered these (the ones in italics would, of course, only work if the player in question had distinguished himself as a Hab:

For #21:

--Le Brooksi
--Le Grand Rouge
--Legal to Drink
--Blackjack


For #85:

--Micro-vechkin
--The great 8.5
--Mini-Me
--Le Petit Alex


For #8:

--Le Jesu Rouge
--Le Gros Mathieu
--Spider-Man™


For #90:

--Baby Bäckis
--Bläckis
--Att andra Svenska killen
--Born From Jets™


For #25

--Flying Statue
--Medusa's Boyfriend


For #39

--"This is my dot, chump!"
--"I'll take that, thankyouverymuch"

OK I'm done for now. It's sort of a "12-Gauge" approach to comedy: Keep blazing away and eventually someone will laugh...

Posted by: Rhino40 | January 20, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I would say kopitar is our semin/backstrom...drew doughty is their "crosby/ovie/untouchable"

Posted by: _stevo

I'd agree that Kopitar is their Backstrom.

Posted by: sgm3 | January 20, 2011 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Holtby gets the nod in goal tonight.

@sgm3

that would be nice but for Ottawa to give up both of them is stretching it. I really dont see them moving Phillips despite those rumors. But I guess we'll see in the coming weeks.

Posted by: ThePat | January 20, 2011 12:05 PM | Report abuse

VTDuff: You're right, I am no better than anyone else, I've already stated that. I also want the team to get better, win a vast majority of their games, and win the Stanley Cup. However, most that have come dominate this board want to throw current management, coaches, and players under the bus without have any idea what is going on outside of what they read in the post. TSN is a great website to get hockey information but they don't get anywhere near as deep with their coverage as the Post does so that isn't the source providing all the inside information people here claim to have.

I have launched a wish list of players over the years but haven't called GMGM an idiot because he didn't pull off what I thought would make the team better. As the saying goes, it takes two to Tango, and you're not going to Tango if one of the partners is looking to take advantage of you. The fact is we don't know what opportunities GMGM has had and turned down. We don't know what offers HE has extended and got turned down. There are things that go on in my place of business that the lower folks on the todem pole complain about that they are COMPLETELY in left field on and swear they know what we as managers have made decisions on. That happens and those folks are right here in close proximity. So for anyone in here to claim GMGM is screwing up, or that BB doesn't hold his players accountable, are just making a guess on very little information.

Posted by: fanohock1 | January 20, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

that would be nice but for Ottawa to give up both of them is stretching it. I really dont see them moving Phillips despite those rumors. But I guess we'll see in the coming weeks.

Posted by: ThePat

I don't see it happening either, but I think it is at least possible because Ottawa is looking to shake things up. Highly unlikely, but possible.

Posted by: sgm3 | January 20, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

"What is the over under that all of you rats that are running down the mooring lines will try to get back on board when the Capitals get everything on course?"

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But they're doing it with as much information as you are when you imply that GMGM is making all the correct moves and BB does nothing wrong in his coaching.

The bottom line is that we're all guessing here, and we really only have the results to go on.

I don't know how things work at your job, but at my job people are judged on their results. Judging by the results, BB and GMGM aren't getting the job done. "Why" or "How" at this point should be immaterial.

You're right, nobody knows what's going on behind the scenes, but the results don't lie.

Also, entering this season with no 2C? Come on, you don't have to know anything behind the scenes or whatever to criticize GMGM for that one.

Posted by: VTDuffman | January 20, 2011 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I guess Detroit is going to sign Nabakov.

If he is signed to a small contract, should the Caps make a waiver claim on him?(he has to clear waivers like the players the Blues tried to sign)

It would be interesting.

Posted by: sgm3 | January 20, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Sorry should have been totem vice todem. :0)

Posted by: fanohock1 | January 20, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I know I posted this yesterday, but I can't stress it enough. It's from GMGM's wiki page:

"When McPhee joined the Capitals in 1997, the team was looking to turn around its long storied history of being a regular season juggernaut, only to fold in the playoffs."

13 years ago, GMGM was hired to turn around this teams's "long storied history of being a regular season juggernaut, only to fold in the playoffs."

Posted by: VTDuffman | January 20, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Yes, VT, I know. You're not the 1st go bring that up. GMGM's playoff success, or lack thereof, has been brought up over and over and over. As I stated earlier, I don't care how the Capitals get a Stanley Cup. I don't care if GMGM, BB, or players have to be traded, I don't care. At the same time I'm not going to sit here and act like I know more than someone who is serving in any capacity in the NHL. Without seeing a ticker of offers going across GMGMs desk there is no way on earth I can second guess his decisions, as far as acquisition of other players. Now, those that tear into the extensions and trades after they happen, that's totally acceptable for this kool-aid drinker.

Posted by: fanohock1 | January 20, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

I dont think we should put a claim on him unless we know Neuvirth is out for a month or more. I also dont think he makes it down to us in the waiver process. Western Conference teams competing for a spot should do it if they have the cap space.

Posted by: ThePat | January 20, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

"At the same time I'm not going to sit here and act like I know more than someone who is serving in any capacity in the NHL."

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I know I've said this before on here, but I think the point is valid, I simply don't buy this line of thought in the least...

Do you ever criticize movies, music, or television? A Meal you had in a restaurant, or a book you read? If so, have you ever served in any capacity in the movie, television, music, culinary, or literary industries?

If so, why is hockey the one thing where you don't think people should be able to criticize performance? It doesn't make any sense.

Criticism of someone's job performance is not "acting like you know better than them." It's simply looking at the results, and voicing your opinion therein.

Have you ever eaten a dish that was seasoned and commented that it needed more salt? If so, did that mean that you knew more than the chef? I mean, you weren't there for the cooking process, you don't know how much salt they put in there? Yet, you consumed the end product, identified a deficiency, and offered a solution as to how to correct it.

It's so weird to be that for so many aspects of our life this kind of behavior is fine, yet for sports its not. Sports is not special.

It's hockey, not rocket surgery.

Posted by: VTDuffman | January 20, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Your example needs to be more in depth than just preparation. Your example if used in hockey is the end result, which is the team on the ice. To call GMGM an idiot for trades he hasn't made or free agents he hasn't signed would be more like me stating that they need to go with a different meat provider, thus changing the final product. The problem is I don't know who the best provider of meat is in the cooking industry, nor do I know what kind of deals GMGM didn't make.

Posted by: fanohock1 | January 20, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Rest assured GMGM will do exactly the opposite of any suggestions seen here. Considering how this team mentally has dealt with the last two major trades, there is the possibility things may get worse if a deal is done. Although it appears you will get a better deal by waiting until the deadline, last year his waiting didn't prove beneficial.

The past 2 1/2 years I've looked forward to every Caps game. Now it's almost like an appointment. Is the Dentist going to say "you look fine", or is he charging up the drill and calling in extra nurses?

Tonight isn't a good game to judge anything. If the Caps lose or play poorly, we'll all just fuss and complain like we've been doing. If the Caps win, it'll be because they SHOULD beat this Islanders team handily. But BB will bump his chest and say all is great, when there is truly no real way to judge.

Posted by: kcbrichmond | January 20, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

"Your example needs to be more in depth than just preparation. Your example if used in hockey is the end result, which is the team on the ice. To call GMGM an idiot for trades he hasn't made or free agents he hasn't signed would be more like me stating that they need to go with a different meat provider, thus changing the final product. The problem is I don't know who the best provider of meat is in the cooking industry, nor do I know what kind of deals GMGM didn't make."

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Who is criticizing GMGM for "deals he didn't make?" You have an oddly specific issue with what you perceive to be a large number of posters in this thread, but it seems to be related to something, where if it exists in this thread I must have completely missed it (which is entirely possible).

Posted by: VTDuffman | January 20, 2011 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I also kind of find it humorous that so many of GMGM's defenders so quickly take umbrage, and try to shut down any and all criticism.

Geez Louise, try rooting for the Red Sox ;-)

And just ftr, I'm not a hater - I've acknowledged both his good trades / deadline moves [Feds, Huet, Cooke], replacing Hanlon with BB, as well as his outstanding drafting of the last few years [not just Ovie and Backs, but Semin before them, Varly, Carlson, Neuvy, Green, Alzner, along with Kuznetzov, Eakin and Orlov in the pipeline]. And for where they went in the draft, you could make a strong case that Carlson and Kuz were absolute steals [or conversely, that Fehr, Schultz, etc. were drafted waaaaay too high - but I digress].

Posted by: Timbo_1 | January 20, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

VTDuffman vs fanohock1

Both good arguments and civil (which is a rarity here.

On this one, I lean more toward fanohock's points. The rationale for fans to have the right to their point of view is true, but judging a movie/meal is different than judging GMGM - the main point being, we have no idea what GMGM actually has to work with and wheeling-and-dealing takes place between MULTIPLE GMs. Give and take is required. It would be a different story if all a GM had to do was pick this player and that player and ship off those not wanted. Fans call for trades, but if no other teams are interested, nothing can be done. I think McPhee has put together a pretty talented, exciting group of players for us to watch. The trick is getting these players to believe in themselves, overcome their egos, and play a full 60 minutes consistently. The pieces are there, but it is time for these highly paid professionals to earn it.

Posted by: gonchpup | January 20, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

FWIW, I wouldn't presume to criticize GMGM for trades he *didn't* make, that seems silly. I'm not going to knock him for not getting a Pronger, Like you ll say, sometimes it doesn't work out.

However, I will criticize him all day for getting a Joe Corvo when we need a Pronger.And I sure as heck am going to criticize him for getting a nothing this off-season when we needed a 2C.

Posted by: VTDuffman | January 20, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm not defending GMGM's moves that we see. I am simply pointing out that we are in no position to throw him under the bus for deals that haven't been made that we think he should have completed. It is impossible for us to know what opportunities he has passed on or how hard he has worked on deals that never got done because the dance partner backed out.

We constantly see GMGM get hacked for not signing a particular free agent but we can't assume that free agent ever wanted to come to Washington. Then we see a trade and say, wow, we could have fit him under the salary cap, but, unknown to us is if GMGM was in discussions but for some reason the other team chose to make the deal with another team. THOSE are the finer points of being a manager of any sport we don't know. If a deal falls through GMs, no matter how ticked off won't call out another team's GM for not getting the deal done. That's bad business and will burn bridges. Now, if GMGM's wife was on here she'd probably be able to tell us whose names have been used in vain in the McPhee home. My cstanton1 if he reads the CI 80).

Posted by: fanohock1 | January 20, 2011 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Holtby in net tonight. Varly backing him up. I'm assuming Varly isn't badly hurt unless BB is as clueless as he was for the Rangers 7-0 game (I didn't know the backup was sick).
Tanguay sucks, no way he is a top 6 on the Caps.
Notice that I have stopped the BB must go rant. He isn't going anywhere until after we lose in the playoffs again.
I don't see a major deal in the works. GMGM doesn't want to give up any of the young talent (neither do I). If a 2C can be had for draft picks, then I think we get one.

Posted by: chriscaps | January 20, 2011 1:08 PM | Report abuse

VT: I'm with you on the Corvo trade and that is not at all what I was getting at when it comes to trades and free agent signings. As fans, bad trades, are completely open to rip to shreds in my book.

Well, I spent my entire day off talking about the Capitals. Now I have to get some of the things on the list done that I stayed home to do in the first place. Fight the good fight Caps fans and heres to hoping Holtby and the Caps bag a couple of points tonight.

Posted by: fanohock1 | January 20, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

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