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Shaone Morrisonn's agent: No negotiations with Caps

Are Shaone Morrisonn's days with the Caps numbered? It's possible, says his agent.

Mark Stowe told me earlier today that there have been some discussions between the camps, but, with less than two weeks remaining before free agency opens, there have been "no negotiations."

GM George McPhee said earlier this week that the team plans to "use all the time we have" to evaluate the makeup of next season's roster. But the lack of substantive talks has led Stowe to believe Morrisonn is not in those plans and will hit the open market on July 1.

"At this time, I've got nothing to report," Stowe said from his Vancouver-area office. "Normally if a club is interested there would be something happening. We've had discussions but there have been no negotiations happening. I would say based upon that, the interest is little to nothing at this juncture."

Morrisonn appeared in 68 games last season and racked up a goal, 11 assists and a plus-minus rating of plus-8. The stay-at-home blueliner earned $1.975 million and given his age (27) and service (418 games) is in line to receive a raise wherever he signs -- which, of course, is probably a big reason why the salary cap conscious Caps appear to be leaning toward not bringing him back.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  June 18, 2010; 5:03 PM ET
 
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thats too bad, but it'll open up some much needed cap space...

Posted by: gocaps01 | June 18, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

yep, nothin' but love for Sha-Mo, but it's Alzner/Carlson time. best of luck to ya Shaone...

Posted by: sargeantmofo | June 18, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to miss him, especially being one of the few who can get a little nasty when needed.

Posted by: jakopz | June 18, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Thank the lord. Next, no contract for Gordo.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 18, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I'd rather see Schultz go before Shaone. Unfortunately, I don't think Schultz will ever become the physical type and Shaone definitely stepped his physical game this past season. If he doesn't resign with us, I wish only the best to him.

Posted by: streve | June 18, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

ironic in a way, the Caps recurring media speculation has had them in the market for a tough defensive dman type for a few yrs now, and they're cutting ties with the only guy who resembles that.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 18, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Did you guys know that Mo had 12 MORE hits than Anton Volchenkov this past season?

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 18, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

I liked how ShaMo stepped up his physical game and he skates well. It just annoyed me that pucks always seemed to be deflected off of him and past our goalies. I really am curious if there are any stats out there that follow those numbers.

Posted by: pkendrick | June 18, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Did you guys know that Mike Green and Jeff Schultz each had MORE hits than every Blackhawk defender except one.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 18, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

JS is an excellent defenseman with an incredible plus/minus ratio.

Posted by: coastallp74 | June 18, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm so glad there was no idiotic stats such as "hits" in the old days when evaluating these players...

you didn't have to look at any stats to know how good Langway was and you wanted him out there against the best of the other team every time. And you felt confident that he was do the job.

do you feel that confident when Green and Schultz are out there against the Crosbys of the world??

Posted by: joek443 | June 18, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

@joek443

No I do not. I was quoting the hits stat in a mocking fashion.

You do not have to hit a lot to be a great defenseman. Some do, like Pronger, and that is great. Others, like those on the Blackhawks, Lidstrom, Niedermeyer, etc., do not and they are top defenseman as well.

There are more ways to be a top notch defensive defenseman than to just hit a lot.

IMO, the Caps desperately need a top 2 defenseman to face against other teams top lines.

I could care less if he hits a lot or he only hits on a few occassions. All I want the defensive defenseman to do is to consistently keep opposing teams top lines from scoring goals. Everything else is inconsequential.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 18, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Get rid if Mike Green too, and our blue line will be in pretty good shape. So will our salary cap.

Posted by: LloydChristmas | June 18, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Honestly....on this team...he will not be missed. With a -9 on this team is like -40 on the Islanders.

Easily replaceable. Not even a $2mil per year player.

Posted by: arty2000us | June 18, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

From a previous post on possible Bears graduating to the Caps. If Steve Pinizzotto makes the squad, he better start walking the walk, instead of talking it, or he is gonna get a beat down. As a season ticket holder, he was not one of my favorites. At times he can be a great agitator and help the team, and at other times he can be a hindrance. He can lay in some hits, but he sure can't take one. Just sayin.

Posted by: TheSmurfs | June 18, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I'd take a Bears STH opinion over my limited one of watching Pinner play on the CSN televised games. All I was saying was that I was very impressed by Pinner, A. Gordon, and Beagle.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 18, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm not surprised the Caps aren't talking much with ShaMo - they've had contract issues with him in the past. I wish they would re-sign him, but I thought this would be a strong possibility.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 18, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Pinner is a good player, and was key member on the penalty kill through out the year, and especially through their Calder Cup run, I just wish he would tone down some of his antics on the ice. Now I am not saying he is as bad as Louis Robitallie, but he is another story.

Posted by: TheSmurfs | June 18, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure dozens of you if not hundreds have been on pins and needles waiting for the latest update on tominsocal1 move to the new house.

Well, to quell your anticipation, the wait is about over!

Yes, walk-thru is Monday and hopefully we "get the keys" a day or so after that. CA is weird as $H!+ when you by a house as we gave them the money last Monday. Now we just wait for walk-thru and this "close escrow" business and they better hurry as the van rolls up next Thursday. These last few weeks are moving slower than the last two minutes of a Dean Smith coached basketball game.

You'll be happy to know $6500 federal tax credit and $10,000 CA tax credit - not enough for a 3rd pair D man even but not chump change either.

This evening we visited the house and driving back on Highway 14 mrstominsocal1 noticed he sun had set but then contining on the highway south with the moutains peaking and lowering, suddenly the sun appears again just atop the ridge and I said, "I guess we live in the land of the regurgitating sunset."

And she said, "That's disgusting. Did you just make that up."

"Yes, I did," I said, "but how better to describe a sunset that goes down and then comes back up?"

Hemingway, Faulkner, Fitzgerald, tominsocal1...I stand among the immortals.

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Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 19, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

ShaMo has never lived up to his expectations, although has been one of the steadier D's on an otherwise pedestrian defensive corps. Caps have three terrific
D's in Hershey, including O'Neill - give me those guys plus Green, a tough new crease clearing stay at home guy, and Poti, and we're set.

Posted by: Exile_in_Philly | June 19, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

So, I'm confused by the comments. Do people want to keep ShaMo over Sarge? I would rather keep Sarge. I sit really close to the ice and see all the little things he does. He's solid, but not physical. People seem to think that because he's enormous (vertically, anyway) that he should be a banger. He's not, but still very effective. As for ShaMo, he's fine. But, he's completely WYSIWYG. I don't see any upside on him. Solid top 6 guy, but never going to be elite.

I like the Carlson/Alzner and Green/Schultz pairings Poti and ? with Erkine in the Press Box is a decent corps.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | June 19, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

Glad your move is nearly complete. (The tax breaks make it a little more worth while.)

May the Caps have go further in the playoffs when you hopefully have more time to enjoy them.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 19, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Schultz had a great regular season but looked to be too slow for the playoffs. Maybe the Habs' quickness highlighted his deficiencies, but the overall pace of the playoffs increases and Schultz just was not able to keep up, IMO.

Posted by: zmega | June 19, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

ShaMo is good, but not a top four blueliner. With Eriskine and Schultz we do not really need another solid third line defensemen. We should focus on getting a second tier D FA like H. Tallinder from Buffalo or W. Mitchell from Vancouver. Two stay-at-home Ds with shot blocking ability and who can watch Green's back. One of those two with Green, Carlson, Alzner, Poti, Schultz, Erskine, and Sloan should give us a deep defense that will be ready by playoff time. Also, we can afford Tallinder or Mitchell for around $3 million.

After that, we just need re-sign Belanger, and trade Flash and get, or just rent, an actual #2 center (while giving Perrault minutes, as I truly believe that #2 position is his in the future).

Posted by: mcgratsp | June 19, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Anyone think we look to pick up Mason now that Halak has gone to the Blues?

Posted by: bseastwood | June 19, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Hamhuis to philly per nhl.com

Posted by: derk45 | June 19, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Blues got Halak because Mason is a UFA as of July 1, but we don't need Mason - we're set on goalies. And with Hamhuis, the Flyers got negotiating rights with him - but from what Hamhuis is saying, I think he'll be signed within a week or so.

When it comes to Schultz, I think the main problem was Green - the two rely on each other a lot. When Green was playing so poorly, it hurt Schultz's game - but the incredible speed of the Montreal forwards were part of it. Schultz is fine for the playoffs, as long as Green plays decently.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 19, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Why the hell did Philly pick up another roster d-man? And for a good defensive prospect as well?

So stupid. (aka, I'm mad we lost on Hamhuis.)

Posted by: richmondphil | June 19, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Tallinder sucks.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 19, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

So, I'm confused by the comments. Do people want to keep ShaMo over Sarge? I would rather keep Sarge. I sit really close to the ice and see all the little things he does. He's solid, but not physical. People seem to think that because he's enormous (vertically, anyway) that he should be a banger. He's not, but still very effective. As for ShaMo, he's fine. But, he's completely WYSIWYG. I don't see any upside on him. Solid top 6 guy, but never going to be elite.

_______________________________

Trade Poti, re-sign ShaMo.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 19, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Capitals management blows! Hamhuis to Flyers for Ryan Parent. Alzner is another sissy

Posted by: doughless | June 19, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

As Rhino40 pointed out earlier, if the Caps sign this guy then all the cries for grittiness will be solved. He would guarantee the cup for the Caps next year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worf

Posted by: sgm3 | June 19, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Devils acquired Arnott. Don't we need a center.

Get your head out of your a$$ Mcphee. Tow guys today moved, both to our competition, both would have helped us.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 19, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else have an uneasy feeling about this offseason? The Flyers were in the cup finals, they are trying to improve already. Plus, they keep Hamhuis away from us and Pittsburgh.

Our management is god awful. Not forward thinking at all.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 19, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Alright - I took a little break after the agonizing end to our season...without going through thousands of comments - have we discussed Jeff Carter to the Caps? Philly is looking to dump his $5M salary and how awesome would a Laich-Carter-Semin line be following Ovie-Backs-Knuble? Would Philly be willing to trade Carter to a likely cup contender? Would GMGM give up the pieces needed to make the trade happen? What could we offer Philly?

Yes $5M is a huge cap hit - but remember he's only signed for next year, plus he's only an RFA after next year, not a UFA. We could get some of the pieces we'd give up back by trading his rights after next season if he won't sign a reasonable extension.

What do you think?

Posted by: patrone | June 19, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

@patrone

I think that would be an intersting option. But I would be shocked if Philly would trade Carter to the Caps. Philly will have to do something to get under the cap if they want to sign Hamuis. Remember, he isn't signed yet and Hamhuis is now bargaining from a position of strength. Philly needs to sign now. I wouldn't be shocked to see him get a Hossa sort of deal so Philly can stay under the cap.

@underpants

Calm down. It is only June 19. It isn't about who makes the 1st move but about who makes the better moves. Lets wait and see what happens over the next few weeks before making any criticims.

Arnott at $4.5M/yr is too much. He isn't worth that much. Also, this also almost certainly means Kovalchuk is not going back to the Devils and is a good chance Martin may be leaving. I could see Martin heading to the Caps.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 19, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

@underpants

Calm down. It is only June 19. It isn't about who makes the 1st move but about who makes the better moves. Lets wait and see what happens over the next few weeks before making any criticims.

Arnott at $4.5M/yr is too much. He isn't worth that much. Also, this also almost certainly means Kovalchuk is not going back to the Devils and is a good chance Martin may be leaving. I could see Martin heading to the Caps.

Posted by: sgm3

At what point can we criticize McPhee, after he does nothing and watches team in our conference get better?

Believe this, Volchenkov will not make it to July 1st.

The dominos are falling.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 19, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

@patrone

I think that would be an intersting option. But I would be shocked if Philly would trade Carter to the Caps. Philly will have to do something to get under the cap if they want to sign Hamuis. Remember, he isn't signed yet and Hamhuis is now bargaining from a position of strength. Philly needs to sign now. I wouldn't be shocked to see him get a Hossa sort of deal so Philly can stay under the cap.

@underpants

Calm down. It is only June 19. It isn't about who makes the 1st move but about who makes the better moves. Lets wait and see what happens over the next few weeks before making any criticims.

Arnott at $4.5M/yr is too much. He isn't worth that much. Also, this also almost certainly means Kovalchuk is not going back to the Devils and is a good chance Martin may be leaving. I could see Martin heading to the Caps.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 19, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

My prediction: the Caps make no major moves to add to the team. I think Ted and McMoron believe their "build from within" BS so much, that they bring up Baby Bears and re-sign Semin and Flash. Morons, just wait. I see no indications that McMoron believes the Caps have any deficiencies that can't be addressed from within the organization.

Posted by: doughless | June 19, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the double post.

@underpants2

It's June 19. Wait until the middle of July for all the cards to fall, then you can go ahead and criticize. To criticize now because two moves were made is not right. There is too much time and moves to be made. To me, it sounds like GMGM has a set plan and an idea of what he is going to go after. Lets wait and see what that is before criticizing the plan.

I always find it funny hearing people cry out "GMGM sucks because I know he will not sign ..." They are criticizing GMGM for moves they think he will make, which is idiotic.

Criticism may be needed and may be justified. But lets just wait a few weeks and let everything play out. There are no games between now and mid-July, so what's the rush.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 19, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I actually wrote that before seeing doughless's post. The timing was wonderful though.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 19, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

It's June 19. Wait until the middle of July for all the cards to fall, then you can go ahead and criticize. To criticize now because two moves were made is not right. There is too much time and moves to be made. To me, it sounds like GMGM has a set plan and an idea of what he is going to go after. Lets wait and see what that is before criticizing the plan.

I always find it funny hearing people cry out "GMGM sucks because I know he will not sign ..." They are criticizing GMGM for moves they think he will make, which is idiotic.

Criticism may be needed and may be justified. But lets just wait a few weeks and let everything play out. There are no games between now and mid-July, so what's the rush.

Posted by: sgm3

What's the rush, are you nuts? It is clear the Flyers wanted Hamhuis, and believed someone else would acquire his rights. Rather than sitting and waiting, they did something about it.

Philly has thorwn their hats into the ring, we now need to respond. If we don't, you will next hear, Pittsburgh has acquired the rights to Volchenkov.

The markets open, go shopping. Don't wait until someone steals your groceries.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 19, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

My prediction: the Caps make no major moves to add to the team. I think Ted and McMoron believe their "build from within" BS so much, that they bring up Baby Bears and re-sign Semin and Flash. Morons, just wait. I see no indications that McMoron believes the Caps have any deficiencies that can't be addressed from within the organization.

Posted by: doughless

After hearing him say this exact thing on NHL radio, I have the same fear.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 19, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

@underpants2
Volchenkov to the Pens makes about as much sense as Malkin to the Kings...

Posted by: patrone | June 19, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

There is no way the Caps go after Volchenkov.

Posted by: doughless | June 19, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

@underpants2
Volchenkov to the Pens makes about as much sense as Malkin to the Kings...

Posted by: patrone

Why? They are not resigning Gonchar for $5m a season.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 19, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

There are a lot of aggressive GMs out there. McPhee isn't one of them. He's passive, a lot like the players he signs.

Posted by: alanb1 | June 19, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

@underpants

You realize that the Flyers are now negotiating from a position of weakness. They have not signed Hamhuis yet, and now Hamhuis can demand an even greater amount of money knowing that Philly feels they must sign him now. These moves are highly risky to make. Again, wait to see what happens. You are panicking so early.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 19, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

@underpants

You realize that the Flyers are now negotiating from a position of weakness. They have not signed Hamhuis yet, and now Hamhuis can demand an even greater amount of money knowing that Philly feels they must sign him now. These moves are highly risky to make. Again, wait to see what happens. You are panicking so early.

Posted by: sgm3 |

Right now they are the only ones negotiating with him, how exactly is that weakness?

They have 12 days before anyone can even speak with him.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 19, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

I don't think I am panicking too early. We already stepped on our d!cks in the playoffs. Time for McPhee to sack up and get this team what it needs to win a cup. The Flyers were two wins away from the cup, are they making panic moves? I don't think so. I think they are trying to stay ahead of the competition. What a novel concept.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 19, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

@underpants

Exactly right

Posted by: doughless | June 19, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Devils acquired Arnott. Don't we need a center.

Get your head out of your a$$ Mcphee. Tow guys today moved, both to our competition, both would have helped us.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 19, 2010 3:57 PM

Anyone else have an uneasy feeling about this offseason? The Flyers were in the cup finals, they are trying to improve already. Plus, they keep Hamhuis away from us and Pittsburgh.

Our management is god awful. Not forward thinking at all.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 19, 2010 4:01 PM

underpants - first, chill out. Arnott is getting paid quite a bit more than the Caps can afford for a center right now, so he wouldn't have been someone the Caps would have gone for - and wouldn't have helped anymore than a number of the soon-to-be UFA centers available for half the price. While I wish they had gotten Hamhuis, it's not the end of the world, like you are making it out to be. GMGM has greatly improved the team in the last couple seasons, and will continue to do so.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 19, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Right now the Caps are two moves away from being clear favorites to win the Cup. One is a 2nd line center, the other is a #1 dman. Getting rid of Semin is not necessary to being able to get both of them, as tom has shown through his cap calculations. Flash should go (either through trade or just not being re-signed), Gordon does not need to be kept, and if ShaMo does decide not to re-sign, there's another $2M. The Caps have space to work with, and time. Keep in mind, right now, the only way new players can be acquired is through trade - which means they would need to give up someone of value, whereas they can wait 12 days and get both players through free agency rather than giving up an important piece that they already have.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 19, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

@timmyv38

Good post, Timmy. Now the question is if the Caps can get the appropriate free agents for Center and Defense.

Hamhuis and Volchenkov are out for us. Hamhuis's rights were traded to the Flyers and Volchenkov's rights were traded to the Pens. (Ugggh!)

Michalek has been suggested as a possible choice for D.

On centers, Arnott's rights were traded to NJ but then again, he's too expensive anyhow.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 19, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

doughless, underpants2, cstanton, and others...

You guys are wasting your time and energy posting comments here on CI. You should spend your time polishing your resumes and emailing them to Ted because I'm sure he wants your vast knowledge and expertise, and he will fire GMGM in a heartbeat and hire you guys to run the team.

Posted by: tess2201 | June 19, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Leonsis and GMGM will do NOTHING to improve the team because they have no incentive to. they have already got the place sold out for the season and they will make the playoffs unless there's a catasrophe.

And they're not interested in winning the Cup as much as some of these teams like the flyers.

Posted by: joek443 | June 19, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

When were Volchekov's rights traded? That was only mentioned up above as a panic scenario, not for real. Michalek was suggested as a choice, and honestly, he is almost as good an option as Volchenkov - and at a much lower price. And there are a number of viable #2 centers coming into free agency - I think in the area of 7 or 8. It doesn't need to be a high-scoring center - he just has to be able to create chances, the Caps have enough scorers to make that work fine.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 19, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

@CapsFan75

Arnott is not a pending UFA. He has 1 more year left on his contract.

I still will not throw out the idea of Volchenkov coming. He may not come, but I still think it is a possibility.

Other options would be Paul Martin, Willie Mitchell, Zbynek Michalek, Henrik Tallinder and Pavol Kubina.

Then there are trade possibilities.

I read on the ESPN rumors page that Philly may be interested in acquiring a young goalie in a trade, who is then cheap too. The cost of acquiring it would likely be an expensive forward. If Philly signs Hamhuis it seems even more likely now. A few teams were mentioned (Kings and Canucks) who could deal a young goalie.

But then they mentioned the Caps and the possibility of dealing Neuvy for Jeff Carter. Other odds and ends would be thrown in too but it would make sense because of Philly's needs and salary cap situation.

I'm just curious on what other people's thoughts would be on dealing Neuvy (or Varly) for immediate help at center or D?

Posted by: sgm3 | June 19, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Leonsis and GMGM will do NOTHING to improve the team because they have no incentive to. they have already got the place sold out for the season and they will make the playoffs unless there's a catasrophe.

And they're not interested in winning the Cup as much as some of these teams like the flyers.

Posted by: joek443 | June 19, 2010 9:16 PM

joek, that is an absolutely idiotc statement. They have no incentive to improve the team? How about fans? Having those seats sold doesn't do much good if fans won't come because the team shows no interest in improving - which is so far from the truth that it is laughable. The #1 aim for Leonsis and McPhee is to get the Caps to the Cup Finals and bring the Cup to DC. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 19, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Right now the Caps are two moves away from being clear favorites to win the Cup. One is a 2nd line center, the other is a #1 dman. Getting rid of Semin is not necessary to being able to get both of them, as tom has shown through his cap calculations. Flash should go (either through trade or just not being re-signed), Gordon does not need to be kept, and if ShaMo does decide not to re-sign, there's another $2M. The Caps have space to work with, and time. Keep in mind, right now, the only way new players can be acquired is through trade - which means they would need to give up someone of value, whereas they can wait 12 days and get both players through free agency rather than giving up an important piece that they already have.

Posted by: timmyv38

You aren't thinking. They do not have to wait 12 days. Give up something of value if you have to. What you get in exchange is unfettered time to work with the guy to try and sign him. No bidding war for christ sake.

Hamhuis, who we all agree, would have helped this team. Gone. To one of our conference rivals. Our rival who was two games away from the cup. Is Philly better today? Probably. They didn't acquire his rights not to sign him. Done deal, he's signing there.

What would it have cost us? Could we have given Flash, and maybe a 3rd, or a prospect, probably. Nashville, a team that needs goals. Would we be better with flash, or hamhuis?

As fans, do we believe McPhee is in any jeopardy of getting fired? I don't. He just doesn't GM like it.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 19, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

sgm3, the main problem with trading Neuvirth or Varly is that it would force the Caps to spend a significant amount of money to get a decent backup. I don't think the Caps have any need to do so, and I think it would end up hurting them.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 19, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

as long as they have Ovie, Backs, Green and Semin, there are enough dopes who "rock the red" to fill out the place for the next several years... as long as they keep making the playoffs, the fans will come out and fill the place up

Posted by: joek443 | June 19, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm just curious on what other people's thoughts would be on dealing Neuvy (or Varly) for immediate help at center or D?

Posted by: sgm3

For the right deal, you trade one. Lots of UFA goalies, you get can one cheap for a year. Holtby can start backing up next year.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 19, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

@ timmyv38

you're the biggest dope on here if you believe every owner of a professional team wants to win as badly as most die-hard fans.

and the NHL owners have the perfect built-in excuse which is the salary cap... they can always say we can't do anything because we're already maxed out. Leonsis has a good thing going for the next several years as far as filling the place up. he's not gonna risk it all by making moves that may help them win the cup but might also make the team a little too boring for these people who "rock the red".

Posted by: joek443 | June 19, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

You aren't thinking. They do not have to wait 12 days. Give up something of value if you have to. What you get in exchange is unfettered time to work with the guy to try and sign him. No bidding war for christ sake.

Hamhuis, who we all agree, would have helped this team. Gone. To one of our conference rivals. Our rival who was two games away from the cup. Is Philly better today? Probably. They didn't acquire his rights not to sign him. Done deal, he's signing there.

What would it have cost us? Could we have given Flash, and maybe a 3rd, or a prospect, probably. Nashville, a team that needs goals. Would we be better with flash, or hamhuis?

As fans, do we believe McPhee is in any jeopardy of getting fired? I don't. He just doesn't GM like it.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 19, 2010 9:23 PM

underpants, you are the one not thinking. It's not like the Caps don't have a huge number of options in free agency for either defense or center. Whereas now, there would be a trade involved. When you're talking about a trade, what players with any real value do the Caps have to trade for a #1 dman? Certainly not Flash - he's nowhere near the value of Hamhuis. Maybe him with a 1st or 2nd round pick. The Caps just have very little to trade with right now. They don't have that many valuable prospects, they need most of the players they have under contract, and they already traded a number of draft picks. So about all they have to trade with is their roster and upcoming free agents. And how many of those free agents are really going to interest other teams? Flash is about the only one.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 19, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

as long as they have Ovie, Backs, Green and Semin, there are enough dopes who "rock the red" to fill out the place for the next several years... as long as they keep making the playoffs, the fans will come out and fill the place up

Posted by: joek443

Honeymoons over. Strasburg. McNabb. Wall. This team will be forgotten again, unless they convince people they are not screwing around anymore. The Caps playoff history is laughable.

I agree with you timmyv38, we are a 2c and a dman away from being favorites. My concern is that McPhee already believes we are favorites as is.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 19, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

@underpants2

I have to disagree with you the leveraqe of negotiating when you trade for a player's rights.

The clear benefit is that a team has 12 days (in this case) to negotiate with the player without anyone else negotiating. This is important when a team knows it will throw money at the player at about the same value of other teams.

However, the player who had his rights traded knows he has the acquiring team backed into a corner. They just sent value to get the right to negotiate a deal. If the Flyers do not reach an agreement with Hanhuis and he walks then Holgrem looks like an idiot.

If negotiations get tough the Flyers would be the more likely side to fold because they have a great detriment if they don't sign Hamhuis by July 1. Hamhuis has almost no detriment since he would just end up in the place he would have been if was never traded in the first place.

Therefore, Hamhuis has an added advantage that most potential UFAs do not. Having this extra leverage strengthens his bargainning power and therefore increases the size of his contract (if reached).

Posted by: sgm3 | June 19, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

underpants, McPhee obviously does not think that, or else he wouldn't have let his #2 center and two of his dmen walk. He put himself into a position where he has to get a new #2 center, which I still maintain was our main problem in the playoffs.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 19, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

@ underpants2

Strasburg pitches every 5th day and all his starts won't be at home. and there's no use talking about the skins because even if the Caps win the Cup next 5 years, they're NOT gonna be bigger than the skins in this area.

Posted by: joek443 | June 19, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

@underpants2

I have to disagree with you the leveraqe of negotiating when you trade for a player's rights.

The clear benefit is that a team has 12 days (in this case) to negotiate with the player without anyone else negotiating. This is important when a team knows it will throw money at the player at about the same value of other teams.

However, the player who had his rights traded knows he has the acquiring team backed into a corner. They just sent value to get the right to negotiate a deal. If the Flyers do not reach an agreement with Hanhuis and he walks then Holgrem looks like an idiot.

If negotiations get tough the Flyers would be the more likely side to fold because they have a great detriment if they don't sign Hamhuis by July 1. Hamhuis has almost no detriment since he would just end up in the place he would have been if was never traded in the first place.

Therefore, Hamhuis has an added advantage that most potential UFAs do not. Having this extra leverage strengthens his bargainning power and therefore increases the size of his contract (if reached).

Posted by: sgm3

Disagree. The Flyers acquired him to sign him. They knew what it would cost them. They know they can sign him. They will overpay for him. Who cares, we all know they are gonna overpay. By how much? $500k? An extra year? He is a very good player, they know it. They don't want him going to anyone else. That is an organization that will do anything to win the cup.


Next year, Flyers D: Pronger, Timmonen, Carle, Coburn, Hamhuis. Scary good top 5.

Caps: Green, Shultz, Poti, Carlson, Alzner.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 19, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

@ underpants2

Strasburg pitches every 5th day and all his starts won't be at home so you're talking about 20 games, about a quarter of them during the hockey season.

as far as McNabb and the Skins, even if the Caps win the next 5 Cups, they're not gonna be bigger than the Skins in this area so that point is moot.

Posted by: joek443 | June 19, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

LOL the Flyers may not be the smartest team in the league but they wouldn't have made the trade unless they were darn sure they would be able to sign him.

Posted by: joek443 | June 19, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

whoa. Some of you say some wacky things.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 19, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

@underpants

If you agree that the Flyers will overpay to sign him then you are agreeing with me. My only point was that a team acquiring the rights of a pending UFA is negotiating from a point of weakness.

I was not making any comments saying if this was a good move or not. Personally, before I can judge, I have to see how everything with the Flyers pan out before making a judgment. I think you can't start judging off season moves until mid-July at the earliest because too many moves are going to be made in the coming weeks.

Once mid-July comes around then most moves are done. However, a move an August or September would change all grades also. Right now I am in wait and see mode before I make judgment on GMGMs offseason. He did fine last year with Knuble.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 19, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

And I could care less about "losing out" on Arnott. Hamhuis....eh.

Parent is a pretty decent prospect though, Hamhuis will just be ready to step in right away. Philly's defense is serious.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 19, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Dang. When did this forum degenerate into name calling and snipping? Maybe lets wait until at least September or October before anyone worries.

Posted by: lornemyoung | June 19, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

underpants, a few things. First, Coburn isn't signed with the Flyers right now - he is a pending RFA. Second, signing Hamhuis could put the Flyers in a very tight spot. They already have $41.425M tied up in 8 players (Briere, Richards, Gagne, Carter, Hartnell, Timmonen, Pronger, and Carle), with $6.075M tied up in the 6 others they have signed (Van Riesmdyk, Laperriere, Giroux, Leino, Betts, and Boucher). That gives them $11.3M or so to get 4 dmen (including Hamhuis), a goalie, and 3-4 more forwards. Getting Hamhuis was a great move for them, but could cause quite a few problems. Of course they will be able to sign him, which they knew, but he won't be cheap. He should be able to get $3M or so, which would leave about $8M for the 8 other players the Flyers would need. Given the Caps current cap situation, a move like that would have been really dumb.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 19, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

One thing with Arnott that no one has mentioned yet - he had a NTC, so it's not like that many teams would have had a shot at getting him.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 19, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

@timmyv38

Hamhuis will be getting over $4M/yr and probably around $4.5/yr.

The only way the cap hit will be smaller is if he signs a Hossa like contract.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 19, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

OK... so I underestimated. If he gets $4-4.5M, that leaves the Flyers $6.8-7.3M for all the other players they need. I'm wondering if they would have to ditch one of their big contracts, because they would have $45.5-46M tied up in 9 players - and that is a serious misbalance. For comprison, the Caps currently have $39.425M tied up in their 9 biggest contracts.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 19, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

joek443: Why in God's name would you suppose that Ted Leonsis doesn't care about winning? Where do you get these wacked out ideas?

I try really hard to maintain my civility on here, to never stoop to name calling, to treat each person with respect, but you, joek443, have pushed my limits to as far as they can go. That said, I can still be respectful, I can still avoid stooping, I can simply say that your statement has no basis in fact. Tell us why Ted doesn't care. Because he makes his money? Is that why he sits in his seat with that incredibly pained look when they lose?

Sorry, joek443, but you are wrong - 100% wrong. You are just a negative person who hates everything coming on here and trying to mess with our positive vibes. I apologize, joek443, but that's how I feel.

I hope you have a fine father's day.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 19, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

The Flyers and Preds defensive system is very different from the Caps. Hamhuis would not adjust well here defensively as opposed to the Flyers and Preds. There are better guys out there who can play defense just as good as Hamhuis.

Posted by: hockeynightincanada | June 19, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

@timmyv38 & sgm3

Could I have been dreaming about Volchenkov's rights being traded to Pittsburgh? On Volch, it seems that there's a lot of consensus that he's a good player but at a price we can't afford.

Michalek sounds more affordable. (Sgm, you suggested some other pretty good defensemen.)

I recall that Arnott had signed a deal with Nashville at the same time that we had signed Nylander. And now Nashville was looking to get rid of him.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 19, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

CapsFan, there isn't any news about that anywhere. NHL.com reported both the Arnott and Hamhuis trades, so I'm sure they would have mentioned Volchenkov. But, as I said, it was mentioned above, as a "this will happen if the Caps don't get going" kind of threat.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 19, 2010 11:57 PM | Report abuse

@timmyv38

My mistake on Volch.

I did recall seeing the trades on Arnott and Hamhuis. There's quite a bit of discussion on the Hamhuis trade among posters on the Japers site.

I probably better go. I'm starting to get incoherent.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 20, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: joek443

>>Honeymoons over. Strasburg. McNabb. Wall. This team will be forgotten again, unless they convince people they are not screwing around anymore. The Caps playoff history is laughable.

I agree with that. Caps blew a huge opportunity when they had the spotlight. Now, other teams are on the rise and the Caps are becoming known as playoff chokers. I think that "Rock the Red" has seen high tide and is now seeing the tide slowly recede. But what does Leonsis care? He has the Wiz and the arena now.

Posted by: poguesmahone | June 20, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

@tominsocal
"regurgitating sunset"? where do I nominate you for pulitzer of posts? really funny.

I don't think the Caps honeymoon is over, and I refuse to twist my guts around over who the team should get/keep etc. They will do whatever, like it or not (hi, Mike Green), and we will see another Division title and hope for better playoff effort. Getting some Bears has GOT to help that. (Speaking of which, can I be first to say that Mark French is the next Caps coach?)

Posted by: bluejeener1 | June 20, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

I think Hamhuis could helped our D in a big way. Caps could have offered a pick and/or a prospect. The Flyers gave up a guy that had a pretty bad back injury, and then completely fell apart in the playoffs. He played all of 40 seconds in one game in the Finals. More importantly, the Flyers decided they wanted Hamhuis, and didn't want any other team getting a shot at him.

I would say the Flyers are most certainly negotiating from a position of strength. No one can even talk to Hamhuis except them. If a player gets to the FA period, no team negotiates from a position of strength. You either outbid other teams and overpay anyway, or hope the player really wants to come to your city and play and maybe takes a little less cash.

@tom, while i don't necessarily agree with joek, i can understand where he's coming from. I don't really see or hear anything that tells me the front office is desperate to make any bold moves. I'm sure Ted and GMGM want to win the Cup, but do they want to win it more than anyone else? I'm not sure. The Flyers played their last game less than 2 weeks ago. Caps played their last game 2 months ago. GM has had time to think things over. The Flyers are already making moves to get better, while the Caps have stood still. Ted and GM need to think outside the box this time, sooner rather than later.

btw, Happy Father's day to all the dads here.

Posted by: Fletch22 | June 20, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Fletch, what you and joke are both missing is that the Caps are already doing the main thing they need to - re-signing players they need to keep, and cutting players they don't. Out of 30 teams, only 5 have made any moves yet, so it's not like the Caps are way behind in terms of that. They aren't making any big moves yet because they don't need to. They have two positions that need to be filled, both of which have a number of options available through free agency, and even more through trade. The Flyers, on the other hand, are going to have to make a lot of moves. If the Caps sign Schultz and Fehr, the only positions they will need to fill are 2nd line center, and a couple 3rd/4th line positions. I would hope they will also get a #1 dman, but they have enough players to fill the defensive roster. The Flyers, if they resign Coburn, will still need 2 dmen (Hamhuis would be one of the two), 1 goalie, and 3-4 forwards. And while getting Hamhuis certainly helped their defense, it might end up hurting their offense - if he gets the $4M+ that most people seem to think he will, the Flyers are going to be in a severe cap space crunch. Ted and GMGM are doing exactly what they need to right now, which is getting key pieces re-signed and waiting for free agency to open up.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 20, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Since the season ended, the Caps signed Backstrom to a $67M contract.

I'd say that rates as the biggest move in hockey of the offseason, personnel wise.

BTW, the Flyers have $10M of space (if you incl VanR's bonus) and they are short 2 forwards and 3d-man minimum and one goalie. I'd say they can afford Hamhuis at $3M, even four million. Even at $4M, and $3.5M for Mason, say, they have $2.5M for four minor leaguers. Or pay Asham $1M and get a cheaper goalie.

nhlnumbers has the new season set up. Happy Father's Day indeed, as I can spend part of the day reviewing salaries.

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=PHI&season=1011

Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 20, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Schutltz had impressive reg season stats but, as stated above, struggled mightily in the playoffs, as the pace of play picked up. This is not uncommon, for a player with a glaring weakness - especially if it is foot-speed - to be exposed against elite competition [ie the playoffs, Olympics, etc.]. The exact same thing happened last postseason with JS, so I'm not sure why some here are surprised, or parrot GMGM's line that this is not an issue, going forward. Some point to his passing, which I agree is underrated - but it's not like he's Timmonen, Keith, Markov, Gonchar or hell even Pronger with the pinpoint passing back there.

The Caps are clearly a very talented team, but not a flawless one. That's fine, no team is - but what concerns me is that GMGM seems to think that all is okey-dokey, and there are no outstanding issues to address, whatsoever.

That said, he's obviously way better a GM than Gauthier - trading Halak?!? Over Price, for two prospects unlikely to ever be standouts? Wow. Never thought I'd say this, but I feel kind of sorry for Habs fans right now. Look for a GM opening north of the border by say, mid-February or so.

Posted by: govtimbo | June 20, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

@tom, while i don't necessarily agree with joek, i can understand where he's coming from. I don't really see or hear anything that tells me the front office is desperate to make any bold moves. I'm sure Ted and GMGM want to win the Cup, but do they want to win it more than anyone else? I'm not sure. The Flyers played their last game less than 2 weeks ago. Caps played their last game 2 months ago. GM has had time to think things over. The Flyers are already making moves to get better, while the Caps have stood still. Ted and GM need to think outside the box this time, sooner rather than later.

btw, Happy Father's day to all the dads here.

Posted by: Fletch22

Agree with everything fletch22 said, including the bit about father's day.

Hamhuis was exactly the kind of player we needed. I think, of all ufas, he was one of two we hoped for, Volchenkov being the other. We could have made it work with the cap. The Flyers are in bad cap space, they will make it work.

We need to figure out how to make this work. You would hope that this organization was so embarrassed by what happened, they would be aggressive. They better be.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 20, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=WAS&season=1011

Here's the Caps. They only have 13 skaters (20 min needed) and 1 goalie listed. Add Carlson, Alzner and Nuevy, and subtract Nylander, and you are short 6 skaters (5 forward, 1 D) and you have $12.8M to spend.

I think we are fairly certain Schultz and Fehr will be signed. At $4.5M, say $4.8 to be safe, $8M left and 4 forwards. Add an upgraded D if you want $4.25M, subtract Erskine, and you now,have $5M for 4 forwards. OK, say your shopping list has Koivu at $3M. $2M now left for the lat three forwards. Obviously Flash doesn't fit in this scenario. The most you can afford at this point is Perreault, AGordon and Pinner. Naturally they could chose to keep Flash and Erskine and not upgrade the D but I truly believe that is a losing proposition. Even so, if the club keeps Flash at like $2.75M, they can still sign Koivu at $3-3.25M and have $2M for the last two forwards. Not the best way to go most here would agree, but the only person whose decision counts I don't think posts.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 20, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I was actually surprised the Flyers acquired the rights to Hamhuis. I didn't really think acquiring a defensemen would have been the highest thing on the Flyers' list of priorities. I assumed that goalie would be higher.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 20, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

The Pens are negotiating with Gonchar after all. Here's the link:

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/negotiations-heat-up-between-gonchar-penguins.php

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 20, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Link to a more "primary source" on Gonchar negotiations.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/penguins/s_686877.html

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 20, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

"I would say the Flyers are most certainly negotiating from a position of strength. No one can even talk to Hamhuis except them."

Posted by: Fletch22 | June 20, 2010 9:27 AM

a position of strength if comparing to the other teams in the league - agreed

but it is a position of weakness between player and team.
the player knows the team has already invested in trying to sign him. the player can choose to wait it out until FA starts and most likey still get the money they are looking for.
the team has already made an investment without actually getting anything in return yet. the team would most likely feel pressure to spend whatever it takes to get the player signed - to avoid wasting what is already invested.
advantage: player

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | June 20, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I am very interested to see what Kovalchuk gets. He turned down $10M from Atl. At he time, I said he'd be lucky to get anything over $8M. With Gaborik at 7.5, you have to think 8-8.5 tops for Kovy. And you have to think that Mark Gandler, Semin's agent, thinks Semin can play himself into that sized contract. CF75 brings up the point that the Flyers really have a need in goal more than anything else. But, you have to look at their philosophy, you start with a sold blueline and work from there. Of course, had the Rangers scored in OT in game 82, nobody would be using the "Flyer model" as being worth anything. As it is, the team had a chance to prove its worth in the Playoffs, and they did so.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 20, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

@tom and timmy, i wasn't necessarily including players already in the org, but you're right. Backs being the best example.

Agree with underpants that they need to be more aggressive. If anything, call up the Blackhawks and find out who's available. We know they're in trouble with the cap, and maybe you get one or two guys with SC on their resumes.

@CK in AZ, that's why I like these deals once in a while. GM has to take a chance at some point instead of being afraid of taking a risk.

Posted by: Fletch22 | June 20, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Not the best way to go most here would agree, but the only person whose decision counts I don't think posts.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 20, 2010 11:12 AM |

I still post. :)

Posted by: richmondphil | June 20, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Fletch, my main point is still that the Caps only need a few pieces. They aren't like a number of other teams where a significant portion of the team still needs to be acquired. They don't need the greatest #2 center in the NHL - he'll probably be playing between Semin and either Fehr or Laich. He just has to be fairly good on faceoffs, a good passer, and hopefully good on the PK. The 3rd and 4th liners they need can be brought up from the Bears - we have players like Andrew Gordon, Pinner, and Perrault who can be cheap 3rd/4th liners. When it comes to a #1 dman, that's where the Caps need to get a quality player. But again, there is a number of options for that, so there's no need to rush into a decision. The Caps have Flash, Erskine, picks, and prospects that they can deal, so maybe something still will be done before July 1. I'll be honest, Hawks would be where I would look - they are currently over the cap, and have to get a bunch of players.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 20, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

@CK in AZ, that's why I like these deals once in a while. GM has to take a chance at some point instead of being afraid of taking a risk.

Posted by: Fletch22 | June 20, 2010 1:13 PM

trading for a players rights does not have to be a bad thing - it is just risky because, imo, it gives the player a major advantage with the contract negotiations.

i would think both players/agents and teams have an idea of what any given player is worth (though agents tend to inflate said worth).
i would also think, in this case, the agent will now over-inflate the value.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | June 20, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

saw a rumor that the Caps are shopping Semin on ESPN insider. Take if for what its worth on there

Posted by: casser | June 20, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

saw a rumor that the Caps are shopping Semin on ESPN insider. Take if for what its worth on there

Posted by: casser | June 20, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

saw a rumor that the Caps are shopping Semin on ESPN insider. Take if for what its worth on there

Posted by: casser | June 20, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

timmy, i'm agreeing with you, i think. check my post, i think we both just said to call the Hawks because they have players available. Patrick Sharp would be a good #2 center, and he's signed for 2 more years I believe. I've said before this team only needs a tweaking. #2C and a reliable stay at home D. A bonus would be some playoff grit. With any luck, the new D will also provde some aggression, hitting, clearing the crease, etc.

And no, we don't need the greatest #2C, but I think we need one that brings something else besides pure offensive skillset. The backchecking on this team isn't all that good, so any center coming needs to lead the way from that perspective.

Nothing against the Bears, but I'd prefer maybe one player with NHL playoff experience from outside the organization. I do like Pinner's game though. We need some more feisty play. Other than him, I'm not as well versed on them as others, so I leave the Bears expertise to others.

Posted by: Fletch22 | June 20, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

CK in AZ, i'm not sure of the exact rules around those types of moves, but I'm thinking there are times when the team that is getting the rights to a player is able to speak to the player and work out a deal before or during the trade. I could be way off base here, but swear I've read that at least once.

Again, it sends the message...we didn't meet expectations, so this is what we're doing to get better. The Flyers had a player who was horrible in the playoffs, and within 10 days he was gone from the organization, for a potential huge upgrade. That's what I'd like to see from our GM.

Posted by: Fletch22 | June 20, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

@CK in AZ

I agree 100% with you and was trying to make that point yesterady. A team who acquires a pending UFAs rights in a trade is negotiating from a point of weakness and the player then can up their salary demands.

If Philly reaches an agreement with Hamhuis I will be interested to see for how much. It will be for over $4M/yr and maybe higher. The only way they could keep it under $4M/yr is if they do a Hossa type contract with the last few years basically being nothing. That will have to be a 10 to 12 year contract though.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 20, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Leonsis and GMGM will do NOTHING to improve the team because they have no incentive to. they have already got the place sold out for the season and they will make the playoffs unless there's a catasrophe.

And they're not interested in winning the Cup as much as some of these teams like the flyers.

Posted by: joek443 | June 19, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse
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Biggest idiotic statement made on these boards in a long time! And that's saying something. Do you know how frickin DUMB you look to those of us who read Ted's blog, watch his interviews and see him and GMGM in public? Then go root for the Flyers JOKE! We already know you're a closet Pens fan. You're just blowin the flyers now because they went to the Finals.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | June 20, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Please GMGM, get me this for next year, it shouldn't be that hard :)

FORWARDS
Alex Ovechkin ($9.538m) /Nicklas Backstrom ($6.700m) /Bobby Ryan ($1.921m)
Dustin Brown ($3.175m) /Steven Stamkos ($3.725m) /Zach Parise ($3.125m)
Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m) / Joe Pavelski ($1.638m) /David Backes ($2.500m)
Jamie Benn ($0.821m) /Matt Duchene ($3.200m) /Patric Hornqvist ($0.713m)

DEFENSEMEN
Tyler Myers ($1.300m) /Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
John Carlson ($0.846m) /Drew Doughty ($3.475m)
Karl Alzner ($1.675m) /Erik Johnson ($3.700m)

GOALTENDERS
Tuuka Rask ($1.250m) / Simeon Varlamov ($0.822m)

ROSTER: 20; CAP:$58.8m; PAYROLL: $57.662m

Posted by: Walle | June 20, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

pokerfaceI208:
all sports franchises need to weigh marketing a product customers will pay to see during the season vs winning a championship.
i don't believe joek cares about the team long term, only "get me the cup now" (not that the cup belongs to the fans though).

ted and GMGM will do as they please and see fit to do with their team. i'll go along for the ride and root them on every year.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | June 20, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

@Walle

So now we know your dream lineup for the Caps.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 20, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

timmy: I'm going to disagree slightly, respectfully of course, that we can use Hershey guys as "cheap 3rd and 4th liners."

4th liners, yes; 3rd liners, maybe not.

I've posted a billion times and I find people here generally in agreement that the Caps need a solid checking line for #3. At some point, you have to stop the Crosbys and the Cammalleris of the world to win. The Caps have mostly used for the 3rd line the players who weren't quite good enough scoring-wise to be on the 2nd line, and the 2nd line (ditto to 1st line). Mostly though the NHL key to deep playoff success has two great scoring lines, a very solid checking line and an up-tempo energy line.

This is why I've suggested that the Caps move Chimera if necessary if it allows them to keep Belanger, who is above average in defense, faceoffs and PK - critical skills for that line. Chimera to me is not of that particular skill, checking. Cooke is better. Clutterbuck would be good. The guys from Hershey? Someone educate me, I can't watch the Bears, do any of their forwards have Kelly Miller skills?

I think three players must come from outside the organization: #2C, #3RW and 1st pair D. All of these players would ideally have a fair amount of NHL experience and would be playoff hardened. OTOH, maybe AGordon can handle checking line RW. Well, what do people think? Can you put him Crosby? That's the player we need for that slot. We need a #1D and a #3RW to put on the ice for the Crosby line, the Toews line, whatever. Right now, and maybe Carlson will become that in time, but we don't have it. And we don't have anything but a great #1C and then 4th liners.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 20, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Well, no not really, but to to remain under the cap this would be a pretty darn good one!

Posted by: Walle | June 20, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

The Caps need to get these three players right now: FWD Torres DEF Lydman G Niittymaki. It makes so much sense if you think about it.

Torres gives us an additional punch grit-wise. This, of course, is just a random entry. There's also Matt Cullen.

Lydman is a solid D-man. He's a veteran D-man who can help out our younger players immensely.

Niittymaki is on the rise. After playing with TB this past season, there's a reason why Puck Daddy has him on number 23 in UFAs and fourth in goalie UFAs. Why? He managed to stay out of the red and saved his team from complete collapse. He's on the rise and we can't put the fate of our team in the hands of rookie goalies. Give Neuvirth one FULL season of AHL this upcoming year. Give Niitty and Varly 50/50 control of the crease. By the end of the year, either Varly will prove his worth or Niitty will.

Win/Win situation.

Posted by: Siikonen-FIN- | June 20, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

i think some of you wish Dan Snyder owned the team

Posted by: heathdog1119 | June 20, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

@Walle

Correction. Your "dream" lineup that fits under the salary cap.

It is a VERY good lineup, even if not exactly realistic for being acquirable.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 20, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

@tomisocal1

I am in agreement with the checking line. That's why I think it is possible the Caps acquire a top D man and maybe John Madden(if not too expensive).

If the Caps acquired Madden then I would suggest moving Fehr up to 2nd line RW and Semin to 2nd line LW. The checking line would consist of Laich/Madden/Bradley.

I know Bradley is an energy guy but I think he could fit that role well. If the Caps are able to acquire another RW in that role (i.e. Clutterbuck) then great. But we do have realistic in how many moves we think they will be able to make.

This would then mean the 2nd line center would be MP, which would be risky. I think Chimera is a very good energy guy for the energy line, but $1.8M is probably too much for that role. I was against it at first but now have moved to the side that moving Chimera might be good solely because of the size of his contract. If Chimera was making only $1M/yr I'd be all for keeping him.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 20, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Be nice if Fehr and Shultz sign soon, so we kno2w what we are working with.

What do you think it would cost to acquire Volchenkovs signing rights?

Posted by: underpants2 | June 20, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why we're drawing so much on moves/non-moves in free agency?? Why would the Caps care about being the favorites to winning the Stanley Cup this upcoming season? Just stop. Really. Stop. How can you evaluate any moves until the games are played? So many things can happen before next playoff time. If we can't get the players we need now, whose to say we can't pick-up valuable pieces before the trade deadline? Players get hurt, circumstances change within the season, players get hurt, players get disgruntled or don't exactly live up to expectations. So just stop with the bashing of moves or lack thereof! SGM, richmondphil, tominsocal1, timmy, while I may not always agree with all your points, thanks for the insightful way you present it. Guys like underpants and joek really need to apply for GMGM's position so you can put your money where your mouth is.

Posted by: theCamMike | June 20, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

@Capt_Kirk_in_AZ

all sports franchises need to weigh marketing a product customers will pay to see during the season vs winning a championship.
i don't believe joek cares about the team long term, only "get me the cup now" (not that the cup belongs to the fans though).

ted and GMGM will do as they please and see fit to do with their team. i'll go along for the ride and root them on every year.

agreed. not overpaying and getting value players is effective in keeping this team competitive year in year out. That's all you can hope for. You're not always going hit on all your moves. For every Knubes there's an albatros named Nylander. So I'm fine with taking the patient approach.

Posted by: theCamMike | June 20, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

all sports franchises need to weigh marketing a product customers will pay to see during the season vs winning a championship.
i don't believe joek cares about the team long term, only "get me the cup now" (not that the cup belongs to the fans though).

ted and GMGM will do as they please and see fit to do with their team. i'll go along for the ride and root them on every year.

agreed. not overpaying and getting value players is effective in keeping this team competitive year in year out. That's all you can hope for. You're not always going hit on all your moves. For every Knubes there's an albatros named Nylander. So I'm fine with taking the patient approach.

Posted by: theCamMike

How wonderful for you!


Posted by: underpants2 | June 20, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

tom, I do see your point about the 3rd line. However, that line could also be partially filled from the Caps current lineup. I wouldn't mind seeing a player from outside the Caps organization brought in for that. In terms of 1st and 4th lines, I think the Caps have all the pieces. Same with the wingers on the 2nd, and 1 or 2 of the 3rd liners - depending on who re-signs.

And Fletch, bringing up the Hawks on my part was agreeing with you - sorry, I didn't say that before. The skill level on that team is awesome, and with the salary they need to cut, the Caps might be able to get one of the pieces they need.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 20, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

timmy: Agreed, we have lots of pieces. I would rate the Caps as "90% complete." The parent club is in very good shape; the minors are in excellent shape; lots of talent in the org; there are just a few obvious weaknesses that, as many point out, can be exploited by a great coach such as Jacques Martin.

I would remind you of the US military strategy when preparing to engage in combat. Is the US military happy to have a tactical advantage and then hope that things work out. If an aircraft is lost, do our generals say that maybe the other guy got a lucky shot?

OK, hockey isn't war - not even close, so maybe a poor parellel. But, the US strategy of engagement is to have an absolute assured superiority with victory all but guaranteed before engagement.

Now, how does this relate to hockey? Easy. You just aren't satisfied to have the world's best offense with the idea that you can just blow them to bits. No, there needs to be a back-up plan for if the first plan doesn't work, and then there needs to be a back-up-back-up plan for if the back-up plan doesn't work.

This is what separates coaches like Scotty Bowman from others. I thought McPhee did a credible job last year of assembling talent, even though we were short on anti-aircraft (defense) and we were lopsided on the attack (too manu snipers and not enough tanks). BB though failed to make an adjustment after we stunk in game 1; got lucky in game 2; and, then, after winning two in Mont, stunk it up again in game 5. Game 6 for sure was a great effort by the Caps (like more than 100 total shots) but the effort was misdirected and the coach didn't direct any changes.

Overall, up and down the roster, Caps have likely more talent than any other team. Talent isn't enough, though, you need effort and smarts. Put it all together, and add a few pieces - we could have a dynasty.

I will still predict three Cups in the next ten years (for the Caps). I'm confident it can be done.

signed,
nostrathomasinsocal1 on Father's Day

Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 20, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

TEN THINGS I THINK IT THINK (to borrow from Peter King the espn NFL writer):

1) Carlson and Alzner should be paired together next year in the NHL. They should be used though as 3rd pair so as to minimize pressure until they mature.
2) Brooks Laich and Eric Fehr will get 55-60 goals and 75-80 assists if they are put together with an upper echelon #2 center on the new "2nd line."
3) Varly and Neuvy are just fine as a goalie tandem, with Holtby in reserve, and will give the club 110-115 pts and 1st in the SE. If we need upgrade for playoffs, it can be done March 1st. A goalie needs less time than any other player to meld with the team.
4) Eric Fehr will score 300 goals over the next ten years. I sure hope he does it with the Caps.
5) Tomas Fleischmann can be a first line LW on some teams. He's more valuable to almost every team in the league than he is to the Caps. Trade him.
6) Jason Chimera's job can be done by a player from Hershey, for more cap savings, than any other potential "Hershey swap out" than you can construct.
7) But, signing ShaMo at $2M, and moving Poti, if that could be done, could be an even bigger savings.
8) Matt Bradley is worth the $1M and will be extended, before the year is out, for two more years at $1.15/yr. McPhee has a track record of giving 10% raises. (Before you question my math - don't - 1.1 and 1.2 are 10% a year up from 1.0.)
9) Micheal Nylander will not wear a Caps sweater this year unless that is his Halloween costume.
10) Ovechkin will not win the Hart this year. Next year...Da.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 20, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Even Theodore, no negotiations with Caps. I'm told from reliable.

Posted by: newfanofcaps | June 21, 2010 12:06 AM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

This is even beyond MY expectations! But it would be nice!

4) Eric Fehr will score 300 goals over the next ten years. I sure hope he does it with the Caps.

:)

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | June 21, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

ESPN Insider reports that by aquiring Hamhuis the Flyers will now have to move assets such as Carle and Coburn, even Hartnell. Those guys could add some serious D and grit to our lineup.

Posted by: CAP-lanta | June 21, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Flyers will re-sign Coburn. their D will be scary next year. they will move forwards to get under the cap. given Hartnell's performance in the Stanley Cup playoffs, I don't see him leaving. Jeff Carter on the other hand.....

Posted by: doughless | June 21, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

ESPN Insider: The Washington Capitals are reportedly shopping Alexander Semin and, as the Ottawa Sun's Bruce Garrioch writes, the asking price is two high-end prospects and a draft pick.

A league exec tells Garrioch, "It wouldn't surprise me if they moved Semin. They need to make that lineup a little harder to play against and that guy is up and down."

It's unclear, though, whether teams are being allowed to talk to Semin's camp before trading for him; Semin has one year left on his deal at $6 million. A big year could push that number closer to $8 million -- something teams will have to think about before trading for the enigmatic Russian.

A team like the Toronto Maple Leafs would love to add Semin, but, again, the money issue is huge. Leafs GM Brian Burke has said he won't commit a huge chunk of cap space to one player, and there are surely other GMs in the league who feel the same way.
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Doesn't seem worth it if we're only going after prospects...

Posted by: rebecca17 | June 21, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

regarding the Semin chatter: we do not need prospects. we need a 2nd line center or 1st/2nd pair d-man. we could also use the cap space. i am hoping for a straight up trade.

Posted by: doughless | June 21, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

fairly high draft picks would be okay, too, since they are tradable

Posted by: doughless | June 21, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I don't want to see Semin go. 40 goals is tough to part with.

I think it would screw up chemistry. Yeah, I know he stunk during last year's playoffs, but I'd rather us move Flash.

Posted by: Jordan_Kitts | June 21, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

A friend told me last night the Caps want to move Semin for Brodeur and a prospect - I told him that was insane, goal is not a weakness, Brodeur has lost quickness and gets exposed against quick forwards, and we're getting WAAAAY too little in return for a 40-goal scorer who did it without a legit centerman.

Has anyone else heard this, and does anyone else out there think this is also ridiculous?!?

Posted by: Timbo_1 | June 21, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

There's word though from the Caps that if they trade Semin, Ovi will likely walk too. Anyone else here about this? Someone search the internet for this and maybe make those imaginary phone calls to the GM's they have on speed dial. Or, better yet, get their scouting personnel and see what they could get for trading Semin.

*rolls eyes* It's almost as bad as when you were children trying to figure out what you were getting for Christmas.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | June 21, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

That is another good point, one which I think is often overlooked - what effect ditching Semin would have on
Ovie. Not exactly a trivial matter, one wouldn't think.

Too many here discount how rare 40-goal scorers are, especially that he's not doing it [and he's been around 40 more than once] with a Backstrom, Forsberg, Malkin, etc. dishing him the puck.

Not saying Semin is flawless - just that he's sort of become the convenient scapegoat. If they do get rid of Semin, it damn well better be for more than a past-his-prime netminder who now routinely gets exposed against good competition [playoffs + Olympics].

Posted by: Timbo_1 | June 21, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

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