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So Now What?

After a spirited, well-played game, the Capitals fall in Philadelphia, 4-3, in double overtime and trail the Flyers, 3-1, in the series.

So what do the Capitals have left in the tank for Game 5 back at Verizon Center? Will they fight on and unleash the fury or will this season be chalked up as playoff experience to build upon for next year?

By washingtonpost.com Sports Editor  |  April 17, 2008; 11:03 PM ET
 
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Now we come back and win three in a row.

Posted by: uncatim | April 17, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Tarik, When are the guys coming back to DC? It'd be awesome to get some fans out there to support them when they come back into town.

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | April 17, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

A classic game and heartbreaker too. That save by Huet in the 3rd...Tarik said it..best save I've seen all season too. Amazing. Huet could've stood on his head and spun around tonight as fast as he could but again the defensive zone breakdowns. IT'S CALLED BEING AWARE. Five guys sucked on the puck handler and they forget about the back door. Huet makes the initial save.

This hurts. But haven't you all figured this team out yet? They like to wait until they are on the very brink. Look at the regular season. Now they'll win the next three games. Ok ok just a small joke. This team will be back. There's too much pride for this team to bow out so quickly. I hope all of you who will go to the game on Saturday make that place shake.

Regardless they need to just keep fighting. Still plenty of positives to take from this game and build on.

CHRIS LARRY said it best. Even if they go out in five..these young players will learn from it. You just keep going.

Kudos to the Flyers for being able to execute as well. I still think this series will extend past Saturday. LET'S GO CAPS. LET'S GO CAPS.

I know I'm stretching on history but let's not forget the last time these two teams met in the playoffs..Flyers had a 3-1 series lead. We know what happened. I know I know..different time. Different players. Stranger things can happen.

Any Flyers fans posting on here with respect and having fun watching these games..kudos to you and standing behind your team.

Posted by: Jonathan | April 17, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

I think the team that recovers best from the short turnaround has the advantage. Caps played their best game and still came up short. That has to be dispiriting.

One stat that I think should be emphasized that hasn't been, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, is that the Caps have led at the end of a period exactly twice in this series: once at the end of game 1, and again tonight at the end of the second. In other words, they've led twice out of 14 periods of hockey. That's a decidedly unfavorable stat.

Posted by: Blackcloud | April 17, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

It's do-able. Tonight was a vast improvement over the first three games and no reason why they can't continue the momentum.

Posted by: tess | April 17, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

I promise this is going seven games. Won't bet on game 7 though

Posted by: GoUnited | April 17, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Tarik- whenever the off-season happens, and Eminger peaces out of here, you ARE going to write the expose on his inexplicable blackballing here, right??

Posted by: honed | April 17, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Caps in 7

Posted by: King Huet | April 17, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

PWFLYERSFAN

I have no problem with other team's fans being on here if they are respectful and just like to discuss hockey in an intelligent manner. In fact, it often provides for some intersting discussions. I live about 20 minutes from Hershey and have been a Caps fan since I was a kid. Everyone else I know is pretyy much a Flyers fan, so that doesn't really bother me. There is a small contingent of us Caps fans here around Hershey, leftover from the early 80's when the Caps and Bears were affiliated the first time.

Posted by: BearsWoooo | April 17, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Look at the positives, Huet played his best game, Koslov finally showed up to play, and they had plenty of scoring chances. I am positive if the Caps play like they did tonight, they are going to get the benefit of the calls Saturday. If I was BB, I would go off on the refs, Big Teddy can pay the fines. Get it out there that there were some poor ass calls. I believe in this team. It is a shame they waited till game 4 to play their best game, but hey they are inexperienced. The negative is Biron is hot right now. Win Saturday and anything can happen. And lets do a couple of MILBURY SUCKS chants.

Posted by: Pete Peeters | April 17, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

So now we know why Kozlov has played for so many different teams. He made the TSN.ca all disappeared team.

Posted by: Old Bob | April 17, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

You poor people. I learned a long time ago that the Caps will break your heart in the playoffs every time. Fortunately, I stopped paying attention. Tonight was the first game I watched in about 10 years. Same old Playoff Caps, an OT loss

Posted by: SwiftIt | April 17, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Well, I'm over my anger. 5:00 will be here too soon and anger makes me sleepy. It's mid April and I'm still watching the Caps play hockey, so all is not lost.

Posted by: BearsWoooo | April 17, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Re-post:

To all Olie supporters,

When we say Capitals, we mean Kolzig,
When we say Kolzig, we mean Capitals...

Here's what Olie wanted to relay to you:

There's no time to be sentimental,
there's no time for goalie controversy,
we must unite like the army of one
and stick for better or worse with Christobal Huet

Now there's a chance, and it already happened in these playoffs with Hasek and Kiprisoff, of a meltdown, this is where Olie will come back on ice and stay tall in the net,
but now his message is, and he is a classy man,

STAY BEHIND HUET, SUPPORT HIM, because he needs it.

Alright?

end of re-post

Now if someone say they want Kolzig in game 5, I'll 'kill ya' with my bare habds :-)

Posted by: King Huet | April 17, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

As crushing as this loss is, I am very hopeful of one thing. The Caps in their history have NEVER had a force of nature like Ovechkin on their team. He's been quiet in the series goal wise, but he's racking up points and his scoring chances are getting more frequent. It's taken time, but imho I see that he is adapting and will heard loud and clear in this series before it is over.

Posted by: geauxcaps | April 17, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Im sorry but am i the only one that noticed the way this team ROLLED OVER 5min into the second overtime???

Tarik,
I second the above comments about the need to get to the bottom of the #44 story. He played well, has played well. is it cause he has nothing to loose.

Posted by: LIVINIT | April 17, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

BearsWoooo:
I also started following the Caps and Bears in the 80's. Just when I was really getting into hockey, Hershey switched affiliations to Phila. I instantly hated the Flyers and continued to follow the Caps. Thank god for Home Team Sports broadcasting the games back then. And yes, I even have a teddy bear named Pivonka. Also one named Wendell (for Wendell Young of the 1988 Calder Cup team).

Posted by: tess | April 17, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Down 3-1 in 1988 after a Game 4 OT loss, the Caps win 3 straight against the Flyers... capped off by a Game 7 OT GWG from DALE HUNTER!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rg2EiSBZ6Y

Posted by: Tyler | April 17, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

@LIVINIT

Totally agree... Emmie is my hero... He is under my protection like Cristobal Huet now... :)

Success is how hard you bounce after the failure. If someone said 'it was the best game Caps have delivered', wait for Saturday...

Posted by: King Huet | April 17, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

OK Tyler, How about posting some of the times the Caps BLEW the 3-1 lead. It's happened several times as I remember

Posted by: SwiftIt | April 17, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

The Capitals collectively played as well as they can. They were physical and created many offensive opportunities. However, you must covert on some of these plays. Too many oh so close plays. I realize the puck rolled on AO but he has deposit that puck in the net. The mindless too many men on the ice PENALTY continues to be a problem. Overall they are just a bit behind the Flyers talent wise. The defense still cannot physically handle the Flyers in and around the crease. Hats off to Huet for a spectacular performance.

Posted by: jnjensor | April 17, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

The Caps have a lot of positives to take from a loss, but one of the negatives is their tendency to get trapped in their own zone for long periods of time without the ability to clear the puck. Now you could blame this on the D-men, OR you could blame it on the forwards that are either taking too long shifts or are just unwilling to help on D. Far be it from me to suggest that a lot of Russian Forwards tend to have this trait. Semin, Federov, Kozlov, even Ovie need to pinch in these situations and even ice it if they can. On the game winning goal and the game tying goal, there were multiple chances for forwards to clear it and they looked dog tired.

Look, regardless or what happens in this series the Caps are in much better position than the Flyers for the long haul. We have young D-men ready to step in next year and will waive bye-bye to some of the stand-ins we have had to put up w/ this year. Detroit wasn't built in one year. You have to get experience before you are ready to step up. Ovie is the best player in the league, but one player doesn't make a team in Hockey. You need a team that can muck it out w/ teams like Philly and then go on to barnstorm w/ Pitt. That is what is great about the Stanley Cup Playoffs--it will eventually expose any teams weakness.


Posted by: capfan1 | April 17, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

The officiating cost the Caps the game early and late. Caps up 2-1. Bradley cut by a high stick. Should be 4 minutes on the Flyers. The Caps have scored two on the PP already. Could be 3-1 maybe more. Instead, the Caps get a call on them a few seconds later. Flyers tie going into the intermission.

Second overtime getting away from them. Flyers buzzing. Flyers hit Huet yet again. Not once but twice. After the brutal Kozlov call, there is no way the officials can fail to make that call. They, of course, prove me wrong. Flyers finish it when they should have still be shorthanded.

It is enough to cause you to lose faith in the game. I honestly have never seen anything like the Kozlov call at such a critical moment of the game. What possibly could the referee have seen. It shouldn't have been a call on Philly, but what a big time for a missed call.

I wonder who that official grew up rooting for. It really does make you wonder.

Posted by: Gustafson16 | April 17, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Complaining about officiating is useless.

The Caps, maybe not in this game, but in the previous two have had many chances and not scored on enough of them. There are going to be many breaks on both sides in a best of seven series and the Caps have had plenty of calls go their way and they just haven't been able to make the Flyers pay. The Flyers know they can take chances by just hitting and hooking and holding because that is like their coach said the only chance they have. This is old school hockey. Clutch, Grab, Hook, Dive, and stand in front of the net. All the obstruction calls and and close calling refs have suddenly disappeared in the playoffs--imagine that.

For years the Caps were just like the Flyers. Fighting the Penguins and watching Mario and Jaromir complain to the refs and now we are doing the opposite. Start drafting some more Canadiens and Americans to even out the finesse.


Posted by: Capfan1 | April 17, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

No way should Poti be #2 in ice time for the caps, more like 5th or 6th. Eminger played better than him by far.

Posted by: metallungies.com | April 17, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Hits:
Caps 38
Flyers 29

The momentum is changing, tables turning

Posted by: King Huet | April 17, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

This is a very tough break for the Caps.

They could win game 5, but there is NO way they get game 6.

Posted by: Ben from Washington | April 17, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Good effort.

One thing is crystal clear: GET RID OF JURCINA!!!

Our defense sucks. That's a fact. I lost count how many times Jurcina tried to clear the puck out of our zone but couldn't. It's so frustrating to watch him play.

How did we end up signing that guy? No wonder he was a 451st pick. It shows.

Posted by: Danny | April 17, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

As someone who has been brought "back in" for these playoffs, man this team is soft!

I got back to the early 80's and the Cap Center and hockey fell off my radar the last few years. I like the story of this team, but I see a soft team where the defense turns the puck over CONSTANTLY.

But, I will say the NHL if it wants to relevant again has got to rid itself of the thug games. Flyers are not as talented, but they are punishing us. I mean I saw Ovie get slashed and cross checked in front of the net and the puck was not near him. Was there a call? NO! Was it flagrant? No, but it's ugly and not necessary.

Posted by: Rob P | April 18, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Huet did fine. Hang the D. I wish nothing but the most infectious diseases on the refs. That, and white phosphorus under their fingernails. Forever. And ever. Amen. If Bruce doesn't say something, I give up.

Posted by: Kip | April 18, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Tarik---Will you be writing about the officiating blunders in tonight's game or will you get fined by the NHL if you talk about this topic???

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Bruce better not say anything to us about the refs. That's GMGM's job.

Bruce needs to make sure the team knows they can win despite bad or non-calls, not use them as excuses. And they almost did.

Posted by: austinsteve | April 18, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

I am officially changing my blog name from "Danny" to "Jurcina Sucks"

Posted by: Danny | April 18, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

UNLEASH THE FURY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Caps don't lose when its all on the line, its scientifically proven.

Posted by: Troy | April 18, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Danny, I've watched the last four games and your right...that dude is terrible! He's big , I guess that is a plus, but he coughs up the puck with little to NO pressure. But, he is not the only one.

Also, from reading during the regular season, I thought Huet was really good. Well, I see a small butterfly goaltender who does not overly impress me. The defense in front of him is not stellar, but I don't see a Stanley Cup caliber goaltender regardless. There is soo much of the goal he does not cover just based on size alone! Olie for the next game or the coach has lost his mind! Huet has to have the worst GAA of anybody in the playoffs!

Posted by: Rob P | April 18, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Tariq - can someone explain how this team has too many ice at least once or twice per game? Won't always get busted but sure paid the price tonight. How can this happen repeatedly on a professional level?

Posted by: JR | April 18, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Too many men on the ice, I mean.

Posted by: JR | April 18, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

One flinal comment.

Did you guys see Green take a elbow during a check in the second and then retaliated only to get called? Green could have been seriously hurt yet he gives a quick face wash and is called for the penalty. Terrible. It's why I can barely handle the NHL anymore! IMO the worst officiating in all of professional sports even if the mandate from above is not what it should be.

Posted by: Rob P | April 18, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Stop worrying about the reffing...that's not why we lost


When it's in the cards, it's in the cards

Posted by: Scott | April 18, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

The officiating was horrendous, but the Caps lost because of defensive zone breakdowns (and the failure to capitalize on glorious chances by Ovie, Kozlov, Poti, and Fedorov). On the tying and winning goals, three Caps went to the puck and left Flyers standing wide open on the other side of the net. They looked like a squirt minor team.

The Caps desperately need to improve on the blue line. Jurcina is not a top-6 NHL defenseman. Morrisonn probably isn't a top-2 defenseman, and Poti certainly isn't. Eminger is a solid top-6 defenseman, but for some reason he only plays when everybody else is hurt. Erskine actually had a very good game, but he isn't a long term answer.

Despite all that, the Caps were right there tonight, and have a great chance to win on Saturday. Let's all keep our tickets and use them, so Flyers fans don't fill the phone booth.

Posted by: Paul | April 18, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Kudos to the Caps....from a die-hard Flyers fan. That was one great playoff hockey game. The Caps finally manned-up and matched the Flyers' intensity and forechecking. I thought they carried the play for long stretches. Both goalies played well. Huet on Upshall was the save of the year.

On the first-period high stick, it looked to me on the replay like he was hit by a Caps player accidentally, which is why no call.

Posted by: Dave | April 18, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

I'm starting to wonder how the hell we made the playoffs with this defense. Absolutely pathetic. Poor Eminger might be the most solid one back there. One positive that has come out of the playoffs, Green will not be getting that fat contract in the off season now. What a joke of a defenseman he has turned out to be.

Posted by: Jim | April 18, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

@ King Huet:

No, let's bring in Johnson...jk

Huet was awesome and should play Game 5.

@ SwiftIt:

It doesn't matter how many they blew 3-1 because we are not up 3-1. And this is a different year.

It is one game at a time with 2 of 3 at home. Contrary to Ben from Washington's belief, if we win Game 5, we WILL take Game 6. It will come down to a Game 7.

Posted by: CT Caps Fan | April 18, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

I'll echo the comments about Eminger tonight. Not just because he scored, but I thought he played really smart throughout the game, except for the interference penalty.

I don't agree with the comments about Poti. There were several times on the PK where I looked at a play and yelled "POTI WHAT ARE YOU DOING!" only to eat my words. He doesn't cough up the puck like some of the other defenseman, and is without question the most calm defenseman out there. I don't think I've ever seen Poti panic. Had a great chance in the first OT too.

Jurcina needs to stop thinking he needs to make stretch passes. Actually, Jurcina needs to learn how to pass the puck period. On one shift he had two turnovers in the defensive zone that led to scoring chances.

Green is similar to Jurcina, but in some senses worse, because he coughs up the puck going forward, which leads to odd man rushes.

I know I'm going to sound silly here, but Green at forward and Fedorov on D for a few shifts doesn't bother me, if for no other reason than it's confusing.

Posted by: Raber | April 18, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

The officiating was poor, no doubt. the call on Kozlov was ridiculous. there were others, but i only have 20 inches. as i've said in the past, I could write an entire story on the officials each night.

Posted by: Tarik | April 18, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Just got home... lost way to many games of beer pong before the game... way too many drinks in me today

On to the game... Unbeleivable... first off i'm sorry it didn't bounce your way guys, but that game could have gone either way... This was the game I've been waiting for and luckily i was able to be there.

Huet = great
i think he showed all of washington why he's your number 1.
I think the caps played an awesome team game tonight. I think the flyers did as well. This game was as even of a game that ive ever been too.
AND HEY!!! IT ACTUALLY MADE IT TO AN OVERTIME!
Refs missed a lot of calls for both teams and then made some really dumb calls... I hate when special teams become a factor... rediculous pass by richards tho on the briere goal
Capitals played a whale of a hockey game... no shame in this loss... it's just the way the pucks bounce sometimes i guess

Posted by: Jeff | April 18, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Goaltending was NEVER the problem.
Defense has been NEGLECTED for 10 years !!

Nice work Midget McFee.
Only surprise is how much BB has managed to get out of what he's been dealt.

Posted by: Chief | April 18, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Tarik,

I would never complain about having 20 inches;)

But IMO, the Caps beat the Flyers tonight but lost to the refs.

Posted by: Sapper | April 18, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

This series is exposing the main weakness of the Caps. That is, they don't have an experienced shut down defenseman. Ovechkin has one goal, but he stole that goal. Yet Briere has five goals. Why is that? Because Timonen is shutting down Ovie, yet we have no one who can shut down Briere. Briere is five foot nothing, yet he has scored virtually every goal he has in this series because he's been unchecked by our net. Morrisonn will be very good in time, but he's not there yet. We have plenty of fire power up front, but we don't have a shut down defenseman. Anyway, I firmly believe we need to learn how to lose before we learn how to win, and that is the reason that making the playoffs this year was so vital. We are learing, but we aren't going to win this series. It's not like Philly wasn't playing well at the end of the regular season. It wouldn't be a bad thing to get Kolzig in there, either. He's earned it.

Posted by: Florida | April 18, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

huet earned his pay
as did steckel laich and bradely on the pk
the refs were f'en brutal
brashear and cooke had almost 40 shifts in regulation and had a total of 2hits
so please no one tell me how gd valuable they are
the d needs some fixing
BUT AT LEAST A BETTER EFFORT BY MOST

Can we at least see Laing on Saturday?

Posted by: wendel | April 18, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Reply to Jim,

Have you ever played hockey? Seriously, what do you really know about hockey? Mike Green is on the verge of being one of the best hockey players in this league, offense or defense. As a defenseman, he has to have a complete game. He has to be physical, skate well in transition (backwards and forwards), and in his case, contribute offensively. If you ever played the game, you'd know the best all-around atheletes tend to come from the blue line. Green is also one of the best shut-down defensemen we have, but he can't be called upon to act in that capacity for the Caps, because he's also one of the best offensive weapons we have. You can't be a shut-down defenseman and lead the rush. The Caps would be hard pressed to be where they are right now if it weren't for Green.

It's nice to see participation on this board, but unless you've actually played the game, don't pretend to know what you are talking about.

Posted by: Florida | April 18, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Are you all Serious about Green? This guy is an offensive D. You need 1 or 2 guys like that. Yes he does make mistakes and GAME 2 was awfull, early in the year he consistently made mistakes. But this is his 2nd full year in the NHL. And he has improved tremendously, he is a great Puck Moving D who needs to get better in his own end. Which he is capable of, as he had great all around games throughout the season. Bottom line, this team is young and everyone is learning. I think the problem with our fans is they are jumping on the bandwagon and expect a STANLEY CUP. I am a STH and have watched these guys past 4 years, and the fact that we are in a playoffs is a testament to how far we come. This is a BONUS for these guys to get experience. We have much to look forward too. If you dont see it and think these are same OLD CAPS then obviously you decided to just watch because of all the hype.

Lastly: we need to draft Canadians and Americans? We drafted OVIE, SEMIN, BACKSTROM as our EUROPEANS. I think thats pretty DARN GOOD. Look at the core of PENS. Besides Crosby, You got Malkin, Gonchar, Sykora, Hossa. HMMM
Detroit, ZETTERBURG, Pavel D, Lidstrom, Holmstrom as some of the core guys.

Ok I am done. I have witnessed these kids grow up the past few years and just taking offense to bandwagon VIEW.

Posted by: Not a Bandwagon | April 18, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Late night snack and bed... good night hockey world... keep your chins up Caps fans... it was an awesome game... It hurts right now, but this was a very awesome game to watch and at least both of these teams are in the playoffs right?
I think Jurcina is still a bum in this one... Modry played like crap at times too, but his father just passed so I'm going to leave him alone for tonight... Stevens looked like an idiot when he celebrated... that man is good at nothing it seems... he's lucky he has a hall of fame staff babysitting him... who pairs modry and smith with our 4th line late in a game? did he want to lose?
Tough break with some of the calls... the too many men call twice? in a playoff game? I dono who i'm more mad at for that, the officiating or the caps coaching staff... I hate when refs decide the outcomes.
MEMO To the refs next game "LET THE BLEEPING PLAYERS PLAY!"
still a nice pass by richards tho.

Posted by: Jeff | April 18, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Jim, I hear ya! Although I don't think Green is the main problem on D whatsoever!

Huet can't be defended this series as his GAA is the worst I've seen in the playoffs. He does not instill confidence whatsoever! Give Olie his last hurrah! I guarantee we win at least the next game if that happens.

Why can't the almighty Bruce get Ovie better matchups? I mean the dude deserves props, but as I said last game there were a few 4 on 4's and Ovie saw about 20 secs of ice time. Why?

Whomever said officiating is not the problem is WAY wrong! The NHL has got to get rid of the clutching, grabbing, slashing or it will always be a weaker league or less popular in America! It's like the NBA during the Knicks era in the 90's! I want to see skating and talent not thuggery!

Posted by: Rob P | April 18, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

You guys play hockey so well you have time to chat on a board I guess...Anyways yes I have played hockey, and Green has been AWFUL this postseason. What was he doing chilling behind the net for the OT goal? There is a reason he was 3rd in the league for turnovers by a defenseman. He is way over-rated. Does that mean he can't become a great defenseman? No. But he definately will not be getting the type of contract he was going to get before the playoffs. He has a long ways to go before he becomes "one of the best players in the league"

Posted by: Jim | April 18, 2008 1:47 AM | Report abuse

Great game to watch, as a haockey fan. I have heard much about the youth of the Caps, that being said are people aware that the average age of the Caps is 27.85, and the average age of the Flyers is 28.07. Both young and have a bright future. With the comments one would think the Flyers are the grizzled veterans, that is not the case.

Posted by: Coop | April 18, 2008 2:06 AM | Report abuse

Jim, you clearly have no clue.

Posted by: bigonetimer | April 18, 2008 2:11 AM | Report abuse

Don't stop believin' indeed, Capitals.

Let's grab a win on Saturday so as to at least keep this from ending in DC, please..

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 2:25 AM | Report abuse

Great thought out response sir.

Posted by: Jim | April 18, 2008 2:26 AM | Report abuse

yes the fliers are young, but some of their best players, timmonen, briere, and prospal have playoff experience, while we only have federov.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 2:59 AM | Report abuse

Now what? Chalk up the season?

That's ridiculous. You must be the media.

Posted by: Sem-antics | April 18, 2008 3:46 AM | Report abuse

It almost seems like the Caps don't support Huet, like they dislike him. I haven't heard any of his teammates say a single positive thing about him during these playoffs.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is his last week with the franchise.

Posted by: Ben from Washington | April 18, 2008 4:44 AM | Report abuse

Ha ha ha... Groin.

Posted by: Netsy | April 18, 2008 4:47 AM | Report abuse

Wow, great reporting. You guys had three writers at the game, and not one of them mentioned any of the five or six dog crap calls that went against the Caps. I guess you really don't watch the games, eh?

Posted by: Joe Bob | April 18, 2008 6:55 AM | Report abuse

Yes the refs sucked. However, the too many men penalty (which led to the game tying goal) was our fault. As was our inability to clear the puck on the PK. As was our once again missing crucial opportunities to score and pad a lead. I am still sad this morning, but do not have the same feeling I did after Tuesday's game.

Age wise our guys may be close to Philly, but I think they showed a stat where we had 14 guys in first playoff series to their 6. I expect that the positions played by these guys plays a role too. Also, having two players in their late 30's probably inflates our average age even more.

I am disappointed in the outcome and worried about how the guys will rebound. However, I think they are learning valuable lessons that will serve them well in the coming years.

Guess it is obvious that in the offseason we need to work on D and goalie as a top priority. I do not necessarily mean getting a new goalie, just figuring out what we are going to do.

I was pleased to see Semin and Nick step up tonight. I have a feeling Danny B will be watching his backside a little more on Saturday. And hockey Gods, please help Jurcina, Morrison, and my boy Green to stop turning the puck over. Especially in the first minutes or last minutes of periods.

Posted by: Kim | April 18, 2008 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and not to harp on an issue, but is there going to be practice today? If no practice will there be a time when the team is at Kettler for fans to show up and show the guys some support?

If we do not pull out a win on Saturday will there be an opportunity for fans to show their support to the guys at Kettler on Sunday? If we do win (which I will continue to believe is possible until the last horn sounds), will there be an opportunity to show our support for the guys on Sunday?

This is the most fun I have had watching a sports team in a long time, and my family would love to show the guys some support and let them know that win or lose they have ignited something pretty special this season.

We can say what we will about how they have performed this playoff series. Bottomline is they are young, are gaining valuable experience, and anyone in their right minds has to know that we are going to be in the hunt and getting on other team's nerves for many years.

Posted by: Kim | April 18, 2008 7:22 AM | Report abuse

If nothing else, give Huet a very well earned break (he's been the glue; if Ovie has been the back bone of this team)

Olie has earned a shot at getting the kids out of the funk. If nothing else, the fans would go crazzzzy to see Olie in the net, and it might be just the right charge the Caps need to get over the hump in game 5.
And heck, if Olie is not in the Caps future, he needs to go out with the roar of the fans one last time. I'll always be an Olie fan, whether he is here, there or anywhere. He is a CLASS ACT and definetely a role model for any kid who is trying to grow up in just being a decent human being (first) and a hockey fan or player second. Much LUV to the "OLIE the Goalie"-GODZILLA

Posted by: QUAGMASTER1 | April 18, 2008 7:36 AM | Report abuse

Vengence Now

Lets go Caps

Posted by: Flyers are Trash | April 18, 2008 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Huet finally stepped up and played a great game. The rest of the team played great in front of him, too bad it did not come 2 games sooner, but hey a win tomorrow would be a great end to the season if that is the way it goes.

Posted by: Bob | April 18, 2008 7:43 AM | Report abuse

One item of hope. Alzner has been nominated for Hockey Player of the Year and Defenseman of the Year. See ya next year kid.

Posted by: Bob | April 18, 2008 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Did the NHL eliminate the interference call for the playoffs when I was not paying attention?

Posted by: in WV hills... | April 18, 2008 7:48 AM | Report abuse

After 4 Games... This what I would do... GMJS

UFA
Fedorov
Huet
Cooke
Kolzig
Bradley

RFA
Eminger
Morrisonn
Fehr
Green
Gordon
Laich

Say Goodbye to:
Kolzig
Cooke
Gordon
Bradley

RFA's tender offers to:
Eminger $1.5M (no one will offer more)
Morrisonn $1.5M (do not match)
Fehr $1.5M (maybe you match)
Green $5.0M (what ever it takes to match)
Laich $2.25M (almost whatever it takes to match)

UFA's offer sheets:
Huet $4.5M
Fedorov $2.5M (But use him as a top 6 defensemen)

Trades.
Try to dump Poti and his $3.5M for a draft pick or two or maybe a serviceable younger player.

OV/Backstrom/Clark
Semin/Nylander/Kozlov
Flash/Laich/Fehr
Brashear/Steckel/Bourque

In the pike: Bouchard/Perrault/Gordon/Osala/Beagle

Green/Morrisonn or Schultz
Fedorov/Pothier
Alzner/Eminger

HB: Lepisto/Godfrey/Seabrook/Finley

Huet/Johnson

Posted by: GM JSchon | April 18, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

I am continuing my self-imposed ban of reading the comments here... but I thought I'd stop by and post some thoughts on last night.

Last night was another prime example out of a whole series of incidents detailing how officiating during playoff and especially overtime-playoff hockey needs to be reviewed by the league.

The goalie-interference calls and non-calls during this series are atrocious at best. Come on, Tarik, call it what it was. It was LAME AS HELL and completely non-existent. So the ref's made a bad call, typically you will see them give the team a "make-up call" to cover the blunder. Not only did we not get our make-up penalty, WE DIDN'T GET THE BLATENT PENALTIES DURING THE OT SESSIONS. If you call that on Kozy, you have to call the same on the Flyer who ran Huet int he 2nd stanza. You also have to call Hartnell's trip. Nobody wants to see the "refs" decide a game, but by NOT calling blatent penalties, you ARE deciding the game.

Caps fans are used to our players bleeding on the bench without a powerplay to show for it... But the abuse Semin, Bradley and Backstrom took last night infront of blind-pansy ass refs is inexcusable and will do NOTHING but turn this sport into a frozen version of the NBA.

This is playoff hockey. We have seen the best from this team when they have had their backs to the wall. I still have a sliver of hope. Stranger things have happened.

Lastly. I have used Semin as my whipping boy for most of the last two seasons for his inconsistent play. Last night's game earned him a FULL YEAR's pass from me. The guy has been the best non-checking FWD on the ice this series for the Caps and he has shown how much he's grown up last night. Love the kid.

Posted by: FFS Enough | April 18, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

They played a great game - their first great game of the post-season.

They've been deeper in the hole before. They've come back from worse. They've had to win more in a row to stay in it. They can do it. I won't stop believing until it's over. It's not over yet.

Posted by: Boo! | April 18, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

amazing game last night, one of the best in regards to end to end action and ebbs/flows that i've ever seen. had the flyers lost, i'd be on here posting the same thing this morning.

no-one deserved to lose that one, well played all around.

Posted by: flyers fan | April 18, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Huet is leaving, his wife wants to go back to Canada and there are at least 2 teams that will want him.

Posted by: Bob | April 18, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Yes, the officiating was deplorable, but it was bad both ways. Blatant penalties were over looked and phantom penalties were called. Hey NHL, the clutching and grabbing needs to stop. Apparently shutdown = hold, grab, hook and tackle. Huet mad some really phenomenal saves. The weak spot is definitely our D. On most of the Flyers' goals, there were 2 guys in front of Huet. That can't happen. The Flyers did a great job of clearing their crease, shutting our offense down and taking away time and space. There just didn't seem to be any open ice in their end. Our end is quite a different story. They punched holes all over our defense and left them standing there looking at each other like a bunch of flat-footed dopes. They had plenty of time and lots of open ice in our end. Our back check has been weak the entire series. The Caps have always liked the big, physical, bruising defensemen; they always want that size on the blue line. Sure, you need a couple of those guys, but not the entire defensive corpse. They tend to be slow, so they get caught out of position and take stupid penalties (Erskine!). How many times did we see a Flyers' forward streak down the wing, out skate the D and cut to the net or make a pass to the campsite the Flyers had out front? We need a smooth skating, shut down, stay at home d-man. I'm hoping that Godfrey or Alzner will fit the bill. Enough with going out and just signing the tallest guys you can find. Also, we had WAY too many turnovers. I have seen enough the cute little no-look passes now. How about picking your head up and actually trying to hit the tape of a teammate, instead of the fancy no-look, behind the back giveaways. I thought we did a good job of getting traffic in front of Biron in the first and second but we sort of forgot about it later in the game. Need to continue doing that. I still think Ovie doesn't look like himself, I hope he's not hurt in some way. I find it hard to believe that he scored 65 goals this season all while being shadowed by the best shutdown guys in the NHL, being double and triple teamed and being the target in every game and now suddenly the Flyers have 1 guy with the answer to shutting him down. I just don't buy that. OK, I'll get off my little soapbox now and leave the coaching to BB.

Posted by: BearsWoooo | April 18, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

I'm also going to go out on a limb here, and proclaim that any STH willing to put their tickets for Saturday on sale blindly for some Philly fan to purchase should have their seats revoked for next season. If you are truly upset with the team and don't care to go cheer them on, fine, I can understand the frustration. But leave the seat empty, or get those tickets to a caps fan who will enjoy them, cheer them and help keep that building loud.

Sat's game is not a consolation game. It's a PLAYOFF game carrying the most weight of any game we've seen since FLA two weeks ago.

Posted by: FFS Enough | April 18, 2008 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Quick analysis:
1. Our defense is soft. Tall/lanky and soft. When Mike Green is fighting, that's a problem.
2. We really miss Chris Clark in this series.
3. Last night was the first time I've seen Matt Cook provide some "grit" - where's that been for the last 4 games? Why isn't he harrassing Briere?
4. Huet came back and played well..kudos to him.
5. Backstrom is understanding what it takes to win in NHL play-off's - he's getting better.
6. OV played well last night.
7. We need to add some additional grit up front.

That is all.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Bears-

A lot of blame gets placed on our Dmen, but they have done a pretty good job considering we have maybe 4 FWDs who have any concept of playing defense. 2 Defenders can't cover 5 skaters from the other team. It is up to everyone on the ice to take a man.

You won't hear me complain much about officiating, typically I take the opinion you have. It goes both ways. It's when it doesn't go both ways for an entire series that I start to get ruffled. The goalie interference issue is a HUGE one and must be reviewed by the league (much like the holding/pass interference in NFL Playoff games).

I look back at two instances. The interference call on Laich a couple games ago, and the one on Kozy last night. Laich's WAS interference and I'm fine with it being called IF AND ONLY IF the same penalties are called on Philly. Kozy's interference was NOT an instance where the ref was looking elsewhere and happened to glance a look at the net to find Kozy belly-flopping on the Goalie. The ref was STARING AT THE ENTIRE PLAY and still made that horrific call.

We have all watched this series. I personally have been in Awe at the abuse the referees have allowed to occur in our crease, while being quick to whistle a cap if he so much as remembers the day back in juniors when he crashed the crease in practice.

Posted by: FFS Enough | April 18, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Possible Canadian teams that would want Huet.

OUT
Montreal
Vancouver
Calgary
Toronto

Possible
Edmonton - Rolosson $3.6M/Garon $1.1M both thru 2008/09

Need to re-sign Stoll/Pitkanen/Nilsson/Grebreskov/Gilbert

Too many holes to fill and RFA's to re-sign to afford Huet.

Ottawa - Gerber $3.7M/Emery $3.2M both signed thru next year.

My question, who wants either one of those guys at that price tag? They will have to dump one of those guys to go after Huet.

Posted by: JSchon | April 18, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

As a long time Flyers fan (and Hershey Bear fan back in the day)...this game WAS playoff hockey. The CAPS finally played as a team...tight checking...shooting the puck instead of doing their own rendition of the ice capades. I tip my hat to the intensity the CAPS showed last night. That game could have gone either way at any moment. Huet is definitely someone you need to resign...that save on Upshall was..breathtaking. Overall I still think the Flyers will take the series in 6 games. This series will definitely be a good building block base for the younger CAPS players on how playoff hockey differs from regular season hockey. The CAPS will be an up and coming force...IF they can play as a team. With respect to their defenseman named Green...he needs to learn how to play D. I played in juniors/college..and if my coach say me playing like him...I'd still be doing lines 15 years later. I am looking forward to attending Saturday's game. Playoff hockey is like Christmas in April. Best of luck to ya Caps fans...TSO

Posted by: Longtime Orange and Black Fan | April 18, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

I am so sorry....

I think we should pick up all the players, and place them in 2 teams. One team is WAYYYYYYYY better than the other one. really think that Ovechkikin is overrated and by the way, which of your line was on the ice for the game winning goal

FIFDEROV, KOKOZLOV, OVECHKIKIN....

Take that Washington, that's only what you deserve bunch of egoist loooooooosers

Posted by: The MAN | April 18, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Let me preface this by saying I am a Caps fan....

Most of you sound like sore losers. If you watch the game objectively, you will see calls going both ways. The 1st power play we got in that scrum, there were 2 or 3 Caps not called for anything. For every time the Flyers pushed Ovy down in the crease, we pushed Knuble down in the crease. The refs made one blatant bad call, the interference call on us. Besides that you have to live with the ups and the downs.

And whoever is saying we are in much better shape than the Flyers in the long run is wrong. The Flyers are young everywhere except defense, and we all know how long D-men can play in the NHL. The battles between Ovy, Crosby, and Richards over the next decade will be great.

I'm just excited that the Caps played with some heart yesterday. As long as they do that, I won't be mad at them.

Posted by: Bill | April 18, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

I will never understand the impulse to come over and here and gloat on the team you just beat fans blog/message board....

For all my skins/caps mania and obsessive blog commenting I have NEVER gone and done what "The MAN" did or others like him...

You win with class, you lose with class.....something Pilly fans of all stripes will never get.

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

At least.................

we win

llooooooooooooooooooooooosers

Posted by: to chris larry | April 18, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Check your information on the Flyers and the cap...
The Flyers are $105,000 below the cap only have Primeau's salary coming off of the books.

And have to figure out what to do with.
Carter
Smith
Prospal
Umberger
Thoreson

http://www.nhlscap.com/capnumbers/philadelphia.htm

Posted by: JSchon | April 18, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

I am resigned to the Long View with this team:

- We all knew the Caps needed to get to the playoffs this year as a step forward and learning experience.

- The team is young, talented and incomplete...we needed this experiemnce to see that and gain some valuable experience

- The corner has been turned...in that I firmly believe. The young nucleus, Coach Double B and a reconnection with area and fans are all huge steps forward.

- We got the worse draw with Philly possible. Even worse than Pens. Any other team in the East and we'd be tied now at least. Hats off to the Flyers they have a tough old school Patrick Division style team.

- You have to think the Caps will be very hungry going into next October given their run this season, they expanded the possibilities for this team and were left with some tough lessons.

- Champions are born from adversity, Caps got that in spades....

- Those bashing Ovie are the worse kind of Sports fans

- Lets fight Saturday! Every shift will inform this team going forward to what hopefully be year after year of playoff appearances..!!!

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

chris larry,

You can't take comments from simple minded Flyers fans seriously, it doesnt even warrant a response. These are the types of people who will shoot their mouth off behind a computer screen when they're winning and disappear off the face of the earth when their losing.

On the game. Although it was a tough loss to take, I actually liked the determination they came out with. I dont think this series is over at all. The players have seen what they are capable of doing when they play aggressive (but smart). I'm pretty confident they will win on Saturday.

Posted by: Moose33 | April 18, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

@moose...I know...I am easily baited.....

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Just to follow up the last note. There are flyer fans who have been posting on this site since the series began that are knowledgable, respectful and genuinely want to talk hockey rather than just throw insults out after a result, so my hat is of to those people.

Posted by: Moose33 | April 18, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I thought that was the best game of the '08 playoffs so far. Regardless of the outcome.

Posted by: natsinthevalley | April 18, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Foil up for sat. Philly filth will be down in droves.

I sure hope we have a decent number of D.C Finest ready to get our backs.

Flyers fans go to jail on purpose just to get the ham sandwich.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Caps vs Flyer series has featured the 2 worst teams in the post season by far.

Posted by: Chief | April 18, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Foil and saran wrap- I keep seeing these mentioned, forgive my ignorance but what would hockey players use them for?

Posted by: honed | April 18, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Chief,

I don't know about that. How about the Senators and the Bruins? I think they are below the Caps and Flyers. Also, I think we can safely say it has been the most entertaining series in the playoffs.

Posted by: Moose33 | April 18, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Chief...guess you forgot about Ottawa?

Posted by: Jeff | April 18, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

No, Ottawa lost to a team that's rolling & Boston is playing unreal against the number 1 team in the East.
This series features the 2 worst teams in the post season.
Ottawa could beat either of these teams without too much trouble.

Posted by: Chief | April 18, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Nashville sucks

Posted by: The MAn | April 18, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Chief, Good points! You are so knowledgeable. I wouldn't mind peeing on you.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Ottawa would have a hard time against both these teams. They are a mere shell of their team from last year. I do agree that the Bruins are playing some good hockey but I still think the Caps and the Flyers are better than them. Besides last night (in which the Price handed them a couple goals), the Bruins have no scoring.

Posted by: Moose33 | April 18, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Great game guys. That was the type of game that I think we expected from the start of the series. I will admit that I am a little nervous with the series heading back to DC, however I don't think that home ice will be that big of a factor. There are a lot of bandwagon fans down here that will probably give up on the Caps since OV isn't stealing the show and the Caps are down a few games. That is sad because I thought that this would be a great opportunity for hockey to grow in this area and maybe turn the Caps into a large market franchise, rather than a place for fans of the visiting team to get together and watch their team (like when the Flyers are in town and at least 30-40% of the people there are Flyers fans). Anyway, it looks like the Caps are starting to fight back but I think that the only way the Caps can win is if they play the type of hockey that got them to the playoffs, they can't be lulled into playing a gritty physical Broad Street Bullies type of hockey. Finally, quit whining about the refs, the botched calls go both ways. Good luck guys.
GO FLYERS.

Posted by: FlyersfaninMD | April 18, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

whateves Cheif...it is a hollow arguement completely unprovable and pointless....

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Here we go again... I'm out people... see you at the game.

Posted by: 828 | April 18, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Chief...this doesn't even matter, but every time you post you don't use logic or attempt to make sense.

The Pens certainly are rolling now...but they weren't as hot as the Caps or the Flyers heading into the playoffs.

There's a reason they let Crosby have the final game off against the Flyers, and then laid an egg against them -- it was to earn the honor of playing Ottawa. Ottawa is a mess, and both the Flyers and the Caps would have beat 'em.

Posted by: Jeff | April 18, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

@everyone

I havent seen every game played thus far, but its hard for me not to agree with Chief. We have looked pathetic most of this series and almost could be 2-2, so what does that say for Philly.

I dont think OTT could beat either one of teams "without too much trouble", but Chief is right, our defense has looked absolutely horrendous all series, and our offense only looked alive for 3 periods.

That said, neither one of these teams are expected to do anything in the playoffs. So these might be the 2 worst teams but, either one of these losing wouldnt be a disappointment. Detroit being tied with Nashville is more of an eye opener, followed by Dallas up 3 -1 on Anaheim.

Posted by: JSchon | April 18, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Foil is a reference to Slapshot. The Hanson boys put foil on their knuckles pre-game. Saran wrap...you're on your own. idk.

Let's go Caps!!

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | April 18, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

JSchon, I get your general point...except Ottawa scored FIVE goals in 4 games and gave up 16.

Posted by: Jeff | April 18, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Don't forget to give props to Backstrom. The goal was one thing but finally he is sacrificing himself for the playoffs and getting in peoples faces. If playoffs are the puberty of hockey then he's going through it and he's toughening up.

Posted by: KV | April 18, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

lol okay, i saw the saran wrap reference on the caps boards, i'll go ask them

Posted by: honed | April 18, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

You know what? Screw the red-out. I'm wearing my lucky away Laing jersey on Saturday.

Posted by: Jordan | April 18, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: honed | April 18, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Tarik,

As an admitted Caps junkie, checking the insider every other minute, I wanted to thank you for the great job your doing. However, I think you need to review your analysis of Huet. He has been great this series, diving saves aside, and has been completely left out to dry on numerous occasions by the guys in front of him. Let's take a look at some of the goals he's let in...Jurcina's centering pass from behind the net, Morrisonn's give away, Green's giveaway, Richards penalty shot, the list goes on. All this while, until last night, being knocked around relentlessly by Briere and Hartnell. Do people really think Kolzig, as much as I like the guy, is Ron Hextall incarnate? Olie would have somehow handled that situation differently/better? And you will never convince me that Kolzig will make the kind of diving saves Huet made last night. Huet has been pretty good this series and until last night, had not gotten the back-up from his teammates he deserved. Let's hope the Caps can keep fighting for him and us fans, and get this thing to a 7th game here in DC.
LETS GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: ComeOn! | April 18, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I would just like to thank the 12 year old posting under the name "The Man" (obviously not) for his or her uproariously comical posts. They have given me many belly laughs with their misplaced pride, numerous errors, pointless, childish name-calling and invalid arguments. I know it isn't nice to laugh at poor, unfortunate souls that are mentally undeveloped but sometimes I just can't help it. :0 We all know that anyone who feels the need to tell us they are a "Man" obviously is not.

Posted by: HAHAHA | April 18, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I want Bradley back next year on the fourth line.

Posted by: Caps fan in TN | April 18, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

"have you seen my baseball?"

Posted by: the man | April 18, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I don't know about you guys, but I was emotionally spent and completely worn down by the end of regulation. I don't know how these players are able to dig down, both mentally and physically, for so long. Anyways, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. We will take game 5.

Posted by: playoff beard | April 18, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Can't lose faith. Three weeks before the end of the regular season, the odds of us getting into the playoffs were about the same as our coming back from 3-1. Flyers have won three straight, why the hell can't we. We hadn't figured out playoff hockey until last night.

If there's a lack of fan support/noise on Saturday, I'm going to be really disappointed - we would be giving real credence to the perception that fanbase is largely fair weather.

Posted by: Hook | April 18, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

If someone has given up on their team, there are lots of Caps fans that would gladly take your tickets off your hands and show up and get loud. But please, if you're going to sell them, sell them to Caps fans!

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | April 18, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

You know what, I thought I posted a respectful post, but I did it before I read the Flyers fan bashing by SOME of the people in here, the Caps owner, and the DC media. The reason the Caps are losing is because your team is soft just like the fans. You guys constantly allow opposing fans to come into your arena and take it over and then whine about it. Your owner is a wuss that complains that his team is being allowed to play wide open hockey. Well I'm sorry that the Flyers won't allow the greatest player in the NHL a free pass through the neutral zone. HOCKEY IS A PHYSICAL SPORT, if you don't like it, then pack up your wine and cheese, and go watch the Disney on Ice.
ps. I think I just saw OV's picture on the side of a milk carton.

Posted by: FlyersfaninMD | April 18, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Sadly, I believe it is over.

Yes, it was over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

Posted by: old time hockey | April 18, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

It was a great game last nite and our boys looked much better than the last. My pic of the night will be Backstrom clocking Briere--priceless. Bottom line is our guys are young, they will learn and build from this and our defense is not up to snuff yet. We knew all that. The run to get into the playoffs was draining, we're probably paying for some of that now. But, tough as it was last nite, we know many of the pieces are in place, we just need to add a few more. And personally, I'd keep Cooke and Huet--no brainer.

Posted by: 3VAFans | April 18, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

It wasn't over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor! If we go out, we go out with a bang! Make 'em work for their wins! Make them carry the series back to Philly. Then make them come back to DC! The boys can do this! We excel at do-or-die hockey! Let's go Caps! Let's go Caps! Let's go Caps!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

there's a reason it's a best-of-7 and not a best-of-5. just sayin . . .

Posted by: honed | April 18, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

@Flyersfanin MD

Would it make you feel better if someone poured a beer on your head Saturday? I think we can make that happen...

Posted by: Want Some? | April 18, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I am a lifelong Flyers fan...but believe it or not, Dale Hunter is my all-time favorite NHL'er. Go figure. Regardless of what comes of this series, I think this series will re-energize what is already a great hockey rivalry and will lead to years of entertaining hard-nosed battles. These are two of the best young rebuilding franchises and I can't wait to make the trips down to DC in the coming seasons...Caps fans are a respectful knowledgeable group as are Flyers fans, once you get beyond the face-paint, spilling beer, etc...face-rubs and profanity aside, one thing Flyers fans (and players) will do win or lose, is shake your hand in respect for a gritty, rough and tumble effort, even by its most hated rival. Theres nothing better than playoff hockey in my opinion.

...and the officiating is horrible, period. Call a tight game, let everything go, it doesn't matter...just be consistent. So far in this series its been consistently BAD.

Posted by: ChrisA | April 18, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

"Chief, Good points! You are so knowledgeable. I wouldn't mind peeing on you."

LOL'd so hard I cried.

Posted by: NoCountryForCapsFans | April 18, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

George McPhee is the biggest CANCER to hit Washington hockey.
I actually feel sorry for some fans, the ones that don't know any better and the ones that do know and realize this guy is the root of all the Caps problems.

Posted by: Chief | April 18, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Hey Chief, where's Lateef??

Posted by: NoCountryForCapsFans | April 18, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Chief -- you're such a happy and optimistic person -- must be a lot of fun to watch a game with.

Really -- what did GMGM do to you? Steal your wife? It's one thing to not like someone, but that level of hatred just isn't healthy.

Posted by: Hook | April 18, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Chief, in all seriousness...could you explain what your complaints are against Leonsis and GMGM beyond just saying they are the worst ____ in the league, etc etc?

Given the previous (and current) budget limitations, and considering the NHL roster and guys in the pipeline, why is this team destined for failure?

Posted by: Jeff | April 18, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

bang bang play in front of the net and Knuble beat Huet and OV for the winner.

Its not over yet.....Lets Go Caps

Posted by: caphcky | April 18, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

You win with class, you lose with class.....something Pilly fans of all stripes will never get.

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 8:57 AM

Hey cl, I got a little somethin' for ya at the RI blog meetup, pal

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFanAdam | April 18, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Jeff

He's just not a very happy dude.

To him the glass isn't half full, it's not even half empty. No, to him the glass is broken, and he just cut himslef on a shard of glass and is bleeding to death. You know, a real happy go lucky sort of fellow.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

The secretary in my office just stopped me and asked me about Ovechkin and said that she thinks Leonsis seems like "he has the fans' best interests in mind, unlike the Redskins guy". She's never been to a hockey game and is very curious.

For some reason this has reinvigorated my belief in the team. Caps win the series in 7. Go Boudreau, Go McPhee, Go Ted, GO CAPS.

Posted by: Jordan | April 18, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you Jordan, I'm thinking the away jersey again for tomorrow.

Posted by: Steve R | April 18, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Hey cl, I got a little somethin' for ya at the RI blog meetup, pal

Posted by: EaglesFanAdam | April 18, 2008 10:40 AM

ha ha ha what are these people trying to say. I feel like they are trying to commincate with us, but they just don' mak any sense

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

"WantSome?" It would be the first time in many years that a Cap's fan has stood up for his team. The softness of the Caps fans has even worn off on Alex the Great with him resorting to taking dives. The only instigator that you have is Slapshot. Maybe you guys should give him a jersey and put him on the ice.

Posted by: FlyersfaninMD | April 18, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

He has a jersey, retard.

Posted by: @ FlyersfaninMD | April 18, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

FlyersfaninMD

So a "true fan" is someone whos accosts opposing fans or throws things at them or tries to pick a fight? That's "standing up for your team"?

Posted by: CH | April 18, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

@10:41

Oh, I've been around here long enough to know that Chief isn't a very happy guy.

But there's a major difference between Chief and Puckguru...both generally dislike management, but Puckguru actually gives reasons for his comments. Chief, on the other hand, continues to post this worthless crap.

I'm just curious if he has the guts to actually explain the source of his anger.

Oh, and the Caps are going to win tomorrow. :-)

Posted by: Jeff (DC) | April 18, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I always hate to say that a game was lost on officiating, but honestly. That interference call on Kozlov was the most bogus call I've seen all season. It was BLATANT that he was shoved right into Biron. You could see it on every single replay. I don't know about the rest of you, but we were all screaming at the tv because that was the turn of the entire game. I do NOT fault the Caps for looking tired in the 2nd overtime. Think about it. They played 4 full periods and part of another. That's a LONG game. I, for one, am PROUD of how the boys played last night, as a whole. They finally brought the fire and passion. It just wasn't enough. That game was ours. And I'm HOPING that the same thing that got us here in the regular season at the end. IF you win you're in. If you lose, you're out. I'm hoping they can pull it off again.

But I'm sketchy on it. But I still believe.

Posted by: IrresistibleForce | April 18, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Regardless of what happens the rest of this series, this has been a hugely successful season. Sure, it would hurt to lose to a mediocre Flyers team. But the Caps have already met its goal of making the playoffs. The rebuilding is proceeding according to plan.

Posted by: Joe | April 18, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

FlyersFaninMD... you are so cool talking smack over the internet. Look at your team - you boo a player one year, and then you root for them the next. Make up your mind. Richards and Briere wish they had as much talent as Ovechkin.

You and the rest of the pumpkin patch kids are a bunch of idiots. Talk crap about nothing, trying to instigate, and always have to bring up - in 1980... blah blah blah... good for you! Answer me this - do you own matching panties to go with your Briere jersey?

You aint gonna win the Cup - you never have and never will... if you ain't first, you're last. So, you are just delaying the inevitable. If Flyers make it to the next round - they are going to get Swept... bunch of pansies talking smack on the internet... whoa - the Caps fans are scared.

Posted by: 828 | April 18, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

As a Caps fan who was at the game last night, (the only one in my section, BTW!), I cannot even describe how much better I feel about this team today. Amazing physical play, puck domination, high intensity and energy, they are starting to look like the team we all know they can be. GO CAPS!! And as a side note, I had on my Caps gear last night, and had no problems whatsoever, even when I stood & cheered for goals.

Posted by: armychick | April 18, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Forgive me if this has already been posted, but Vogel really called out the refs - the is a must read:

http://dumpnchase.wordpress.com/

Posted by: Boo! | April 18, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Oops, i think I cursed accidentally. Does it just not post if it encounters a curse word?

Posted by: DrinkingPartner | April 18, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

This season was not a success.
This season was salvaged.

Keep believing and buying. Oh, and Rock the Red !
Hehe

Posted by: Chief | April 18, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of backing your team - I could have sworn I heard some boos last night when the flyers failed to convert their 5 on 3's. Philly fans will turn on their teams in a second - but helmets provide good battery protection.

Posted by: Hook | April 18, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Bravo Vogel. I totally agree with his story on that.

Posted by: IrresistibleForce | April 18, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I think Cheir is Bondra

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Sadly, I believe it is over
@old time hockey

Cheer up, my dear friend. We need just one victory on Saturday, and all of a sudden it is 3:2. Can you believe we can win game 6? I sure do, it's a long way to win the series, but they can win game 6.

And you know what will happen next? Flyers will fall apart, they are spent.

If Hartnell got punched by our killer rabbit Alex Semin, and got scared, (he really did, he disappeared after that) we can win, yes we can.

If 20 year old Swede didn't back up from lil punk Briere, we can win, it is coming...

Posted by: King Huet | April 18, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Chief is Bondra

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Actually 828 the flyers did win one cup back in the Broad Street Hammer Head days, but it won't ever happen again...


GO CAPS

Posted by: CH | April 18, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

828: Flyers fans boo their players to show displeasure with the player's performance idiot. Nobody is talking smack but you. If you read my first post you would see that I wish nothing but the best for the Caps. No, I don't have matching panties for my jersey but I do have a pair of your mom's that are still at my house if you could have her stop by and pick them up that would be great.
Speaking of fans, didn't the Flyers have a better attendance record than the Caps even though we were the worst team in the NHL?
We have won the Cup, get your facts straight. And no matter how bad of a team you think we are, we are still beating you.

Posted by: FlyersfaninMD | April 18, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

As long as the Caps come out and give it their all on Saturday I'll be proud of them. Win or lose, this season has been one heck of a ride.

Posted by: Lowell | April 18, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

FlyersfaninMD:

Keep in mind that we're only counting people, not savages, who attend games.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Make that 2 consecutive cups.

Posted by: Chief | April 18, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

@All Flyer Fans

You guys are built to win the cup within the next 2 years. It aint going to happen. You've dedicated almost 33 million dollars to 7 players through 2010, 1 is Rathje. Your FA class this summer includes Smith, Prospel, Carter, Thoreson, Jones, Umberger, Cote and Dowd. Next summer you'll have to deal with Biron, Hatcher, Knuble, Upshall, Lupul, Kukkonen and Nittymaki.

Your current roster of 20 goal scorers will be decimated within the 2 years.

You will need more than luck to win the Cup this year or next. Actually, you could say that you have to win it this year. HA!

And BTW... Gagne may never play again.

Posted by: JSchon | April 18, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, I dont f-ing want to hear Flyers fans say anything about caps fans. They are the worst group of fans in the entire country (save for a few who have posted here). Chanting insults at games, booing their own players and coming on other fans blogs and writing incoherant sentences. Why dont you all go back to where you came from and stick to what you do best which is not win any championships in any sport. I'm sick of these people, a bunch of f-ing neanderthals. You guys are an embarrassment to the sporting world. The sad thing is, I'm sure not all Philly fans are like this but the fairies who post here give the entire city a bad rap.

Posted by: Moose33 | April 18, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

@King Huet

Backstrom has felt the awakening of his VIKING BLOOD!

Phlyers Beware!

Posted by: Jordan | April 18, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

If you aint first, your last...

The Caps don't need you to wish anything - they are doing just fine.

It's funny you all talk sit when the series isn't over yet. but, if that happense,

Round 2 SWEEP of the Flyers!!!

Posted by: 828 | April 18, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

@Boo

Yes, I thought Vogel's column hit the mark. I'm not usually one to complain about refs because I know it's a tough job and alot of split-second decisions, but last night was atrocious. Just horrible. I hope the league reviews these games and assigns future reffing based on past performances.

Posted by: tess | April 18, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

We have won the Cup, get your facts straight. And no matter how bad of a team you think we are, we are still beating you
@FlyersfaninMD
How's your Legion of Doom is doing?

I sure hope you'll some back Sat when Caps will spank you. Enjoy gloating for now, but tables turning now, your time to cry.

How's your Legion of Doom is doing?

Posted by: King Huet | April 18, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Jesus, is Gagne that bad off? I hate the Flyers, but I like the way he plays: he's not the typical douchebag.

He's not actually permanently concussed, is he?

Posted by: DrinkingPartner | April 18, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Tarik, we need a new post...this one is going downhill quickly.

Posted by: Jeff (DC) | April 18, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

To make up for the idiots like Chief who don't believe, i'm going to believe twice as hard. Not many teams come back from 3-1. But after last nights game I think this team can do it. As long as the refs dont try to hand it away. Each one of those punks should be fired. No calls on what should have been 4 minute high stick infractions? On a night when the PP was clicking, 4 minutes should would have put it away.

Come on Caps, you believed when no one else did. You made others believe in you as well. Come back to DC and get back in it.
This is doable.

Posted by: oo7 | April 18, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

The incomprehensible failure to grasp even the most basic intricacies of the English language by both Flyers AND Caps fans posting here is truly frightening.

Posted by: NoCountryForCapsFans | April 18, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

What's Red, White and Blue and golf's in the Spring?


THE WASHINGTON CAPITALS

Posted by: cc | April 18, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

IrresistibleForce/tess:

Yup - I think Vogel was spot on. I am glad he was willing to write it.

Caps 1 - Flyers 2 - Officials 1

Posted by: Boo! | April 18, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

For Flyers fans, there were two ways to look at the home team's inability to handle these high-energy Caps. An optimist would say a bit of a letdown was inevitable, given how intense the Flyers had been for three games. A pessimist might worry that the Caps had seized momentum and control of the series.

The Flyers had played their worst and won. It took nearly 4 1/2 periods, but they won.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/20080418_Phil_Sheridan__Flyers__Caps_play_an_epic_drama.html

Come back, Sat, flyers fans, you'll be welcomed here.

hehehe


Posted by: King Huet | April 18, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

ok I've had enough with the you suck and your mom sucks crap from both sides. Who cares what team you cheer for. The point is we are all fans of the greatest game on Earth. Ok we lost a couple games, who cares, it happens to all teams. The Flyers lose games too and didn't make the playoffs for as many years as the Caps, again, who cares it happens. I just don't get the need to trash talk and bash eachother. I don't mind the Flyers fans like Jeff that come on here to discuss the game without all the trash talk and name calling. It's just so pointless. I'm done until later. Hopefully there won't be so much middle school crap on here at that point.

Posted by: BearsWoooo | April 18, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Who makes jokes on a blog that are neither creative, nor funny?

cc!

Posted by: SuperCaps | April 18, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

new thread

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Based on last night performance, Mike Hasenfratz, Don Van Massenhoven should be placed in a wood chipper and the mince setting.

I dont blame the loss on them, but they were utterly disgraceful. We had our chances and did finish, and that is our fault.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Quit complaining about the officiating.

Seriously, Kozlov got called, all be it was a weak call, Hartnell's goalie interference call in game 3 was super weak as well.

As for high sticks..sometimes they see them sometimes they dont.

Game 2 Knuble got hit above the eye, no call, right in front of the ref. Last night, it was Semin putting his stick up on Ricards, no call. Game 3 Semin blatantly tripped Smith behind the Flyers net in front of the ref, no call.

The point is, it goes both ways. If you want to complain, go ahead but you have to realize that both teams have gotten away with an equal amount of infractions and sometimes that is the way it goes.

Fans, get over the officiating. The Caps played horrid D and that is why they lost the game.

Mike Green stood and watched Knuble take 2 shots on net. Ovie stood and looked at the puck go by on Carter's pass.

Maybe you should also blame BB for the coaching foul up that lead to a too many men on the ice call, for the 2nd time.

Posted by: Tommmy | April 18, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Responding to the posts the Flyers fans makes just gives them legitimacy. Maybe its the Republican in me, but I don't think we, as Caps fans, should respond to them. It's like our policy with Ahmadinejad, if we talk to him, that gives him legitimacy as the leader of Iran, which we don't want for obvious reasons.

If nothing else, remember "Don't Feed the Trolls."

Posted by: SLM | April 18, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Complaining about the officiating? That interferance call set the tone for the rest of the game by wearing out our PK. That was the most ridiculous call of the playoffs thus far- and believe me there have been some awful ones in the West.

Posted by: Cj | April 18, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Sorry that I seem to be coming across harshly so I will conform to the rest of the posts.
Boy o' boy those Flyers fans sure are a bunch of savages. I can't believe that they cheer so loudly for their team. They really should settle down, someone might lose their hearing or even worse get their feelings hurt.
Those refs sure do have it out for the Caps. I can't believe that they are letting the Flyers get away with standing in front of our goalie and blocking passes in the neutral zone. They really should stop hitting our players too. Someone might get hurt. Hockey should be a graceful sport, like figure skating.
Man, we will defenitely win the next game. The Flyers have only outplayed us for 11 periods. OV is the greatest player ever and is sure to make a difference. He has only been in a slump for the whole playoffs.
We are young, we will only get better. It doesn't matter, the either team will lose in the next round anyway so what difference does it make.
Blah, blah, blah

Posted by: FlyersfaninMD | April 18, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

The biggest problem withe the Caps is lack of a defenseman like Langway/Stevens/ K Hatcher who will knock an opposing player in the crease down or harass him enough to get him to move out. On both the game winner and one of the Flyers PP goals, there wasnt any caps player near the Flyers player who scored. I never played, but I've watched games for over 20 years and I know it is not good D to leave an opposing player alone in or near the crease.

BTW, Im a Caps fan who lives outside Philly. Even the Flyers announcers thought the interference on Kozlov was questionable.

Posted by: jg | April 18, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

yeah, nobody is questioning that it was weak but to go so far and say the Flyers get preferential treatment is absurd.

All 4 games there have been non calls BOTH ways.

The Kozlov call tired out the PK? Gimme a break. The game was lost on a coaching blunder from the so called Jack Adams candidate.

Seriously, look at this from a different point of view. Semin got away with some gloves to the face to the Flyers players and there was no call..it does go both ways.

Im just more upset that the shoddy D the Caps have played. Morrison has been brutal. Jurcina should be sent to the Costa Rican Hockey league. Erskin is SLOW. Green should be playing forward, his D sucks.

Posted by: Tommmy | April 18, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

@Lowell

"As long as the Caps come out and give it their all on Saturday I'll be proud of them. Win or lose, this season has been one heck of a ride."

I completely agree. Well put. Thanks Caps!

But, I still say Caps in Seven.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

ouuuuuuuuuuuups. You looose again.

Don't worry, after tomorrow afternoon, I won't come back

Flyers: 3

Refs+Capts:1


Nicely

Posted by: The MAN | April 18, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Chief, thanks for your always-cogent analysis. With your encouragement, I shall persist in the delusion that having a bumper crop of young talent, a fistful of picks, and a mess of cap room is Not Bad. Oh, I'll keep that GMGM voodoo doll you gave me, so that my lazy-minded fandom and fetishistic bitterness always have an outlet. Now if only Comcast would follow George around, instead of perversely covering the damn HOCKEY GAMES!

PS Huet, Fedorov, Cooke for an Ovechkin bobblehead and a Zamboni ride. Alzner and Bourque on their way. Hiring and promoting Boudreau. GMGM's as dumb as you!..almost.

Posted by: redlineblue | April 18, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

@ The MAN

You guys can't even win with class, can you?

You *win* and still whine about the refs? Had your class down by the boiler room not let out in time for you to see the end of the 1st period where the Caps got 3 calls against them in a row that accounted for 6 mins of PP, including two 5-on-3 situations?

Posted by: Duffman | April 18, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Random thoughts:

As a professional baseball umpire (NOT MLB), I cringe when the officiating decides a game.

Having said that, I grew up 3 blocks from the Spectrum and will always hope the Flyers do well. BUT First off, the equalizer was on the too many men on the ice call (Caps 2nd)

Secondly, OV had a W I D E open net in the 3rd period.

My biggest problem is the nonsense after the whistle. It happened oh about 35 times last nite. Those two officials NEEDED to put a stop to that.

Games have ebbs and flows. Unfortunatly, officials in this sport do as well. I think the league is making major strides to improve the "call making" cause thats what it is. It allows the scorers to be scorers.

Green IS the future on the WSH blue line. Have you seen the speed and puck handling he possesses? WOW

Just random thoughts ... I welcome your feedback. and flyersfaninMD atta guy!

Posted by: ump011 | April 18, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

"Secondly, OV had a W I D E open net in the 3rd period."

Yes, he did. But he didn't have a stable puck to hit, that thing was flopping all over the place.

"Green IS the future on the WSH blue line. Have you seen the speed and puck handling he possesses? WOW"

NO Caps fan is concerned about green's speed, handling, or shooting. We're concerned about his Defense, or lack thereof.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

The puck was bouncing for both teams last nite. Green's speed IS his defense.

Anbody recall P Coffey???

Posted by: ump011 | April 18, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Tarik,

Its obvious the Jurcina's play has taken a major nose dive but is he playing hurt like Nylander did in December? Does he have a rotator cuff or shoulder injury preventing him from playing well?

Posted by: TheHighlander | April 18, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

FlyersfanInMD,
I dont know about 30-40% flyers fans at the games...i was at the 1st game and there was maybe 10% tops....nothing but red...i can guarantee you that it still be close to that on sat.

Posted by: andrey | April 18, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Verizon Center MUST ROCK today like never before. Scream your heads off

Posted by: Paul | April 19, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

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