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Sources: Schultz Did Sign Q.O.

In the past hour, I've spoken with two sources close to Jeff Schultz. Both of them indicated to me that the defenseman did, in fact, return his qualifying offer to the Caps.

Assistant General Manager Don Fishman said the team has not received anything from Schultz.

I'm waiting to hear back from Schultz's agent. So stay tuned on this one.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  July 15, 2009; 7:20 PM ET
 
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He must have sent it in via Chicago...

Posted by: oviwan1 | July 15, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

wtf?

Posted by: Mobsky | July 15, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Posted by: Semvechkin | July 15, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

The contract conundrum continues!

Posted by: pstenigma | July 15, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm referring to the Hawks screwing up their QO's a week or two back. Their GM has since been fired.

Posted by: oviwan1 | July 15, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

oviwan I believe they were saying wtf? to the Sarge mess and not to your reference. And if you hadn't made that reference then I would.

Posted by: pkendrick | July 15, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know who Schultz's agent is? Bet he just made it way harder to get new clients for himself, if he really did wait for the last second and screwed up the paperwork.

Posted by: KurtNYC | July 15, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Stats can lie, but frequently it's the only way to measure many aspects of sports. Noone can forecast how good a player will be in the future but, for the sake of argument, here's Zdeno Chara's stat line for the season he turned 23:

1999-00 Islanders

Games played: 65
Goals: 2
Assists: 9
Pts: 11
Plus/minus: -27
PIM: 57
Avg. Time on Ice: 22:52

Chara's numbers for the following season are very similar (though his PIMs went way up).

Here's Jeff Schultz's stats for the season he turned 23:

2008-09 Capitals

Games Played: 64
Goals: 1
Assists: 11
Pts: 12
Plus/minus: 13
PIM: 21
Avg. Time on Ice: 19:46

Now, I'm not willing to go out on a limb and say that Schultz will someday be as good as Chara. But, as many have pointed out in analyzing the development of defenders, it can and does take longer for many 'D' men to realize their full potential. The snarl that many would like to see in Schultz may never materialize, but I'd be happy with a solid positional defender who uses his size to his advantage. You think Isles (and Sens) fans don't miss Chara now? I hope the same doesn't happen with the Caps/Schultz.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 15, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Please, please, please say it isn't so. I hope he gave GMGM the finger and turned down the offer. Oh please, oh please.

Posted by: drewsie | July 15, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Anyone take in the scrimmage today? I thought it was great. Some players who impressed:

Della Rovere: spark plug...although he did go out early with what looked like a shoulder injury.

Orlov: Delivered a couple great hits

Carlson: Looked so steady and calm

Looking forward til tomorrow!

Posted by: ralCapsFan | July 15, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

MetalCapsFan, you make a good point.

Guys big as Schultz often take longer to reach their full potential. He might turn out to be a bust but it's still way too early to give up on him. There aren't that many 6'6 guys in the NHL who can skate. All he needs to learn is use his size to his advantage and learn not to play out of position.. don't get caught playing the puck, just make them go around you.

Posted by: joek443 | July 15, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Did Schultz's agent borrow Petr Sykora's fax machine?

Posted by: NovaCath | July 15, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Damn...

Damn....


DAMN!!!!

Posted by: R617 | July 15, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Schultz does not WANT to use his size. He is a figure skater trapped in a hockey player's body.

Posted by: Hatfield223 | July 15, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Please tell me he didn't sign the tender... I know there are a lot of fellow Schultz bashers out there, and personally, I think he is the worst player in the NHL.

He can't shoot, doesn't move very well, won't hit, can't skate backwards (remember him falling down vs. NYR in the playoffs... commentators saw a "beautiful move" I saw a guy turning right), doesn't clear garbage in front of the net and is sloppy with the puck.

I just don't think he bring anything to the table other than size, and if you don't use that size who gives a crap.

Posted by: DirtyDannyV | July 15, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

MetalCapsFan,

Interesting points made...

If there was a stat for meanness or aggressiveness, how do you think they would compare?

I see Schultz as being below avg in aggressive play/meanness and Chara above avg.

Not to confuse aggression with a lack of control... There is a big difference.

Posted by: muddapucker | July 15, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

oviwan1:
I made that joke on the previous thread! :-P

Posted by: --Boo-- | July 15, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Schultz does not WANT to use his size. He is a figure skater trapped in a hockey player's body.

Posted by: Hatfield223 | July 15, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

thank you for injecting some sense into this ridiculous Schultz v Chara debate. You can talk stats until you're blue in the face. They really don't mean anything. Its like comparing Scott Stevens to Larry Murphy. They pulled similar ice time, they pulled PP duty, they both put up points from the blueline. Were they similar players? hell no

Chara's physicality, leadership, and all-around gigantic mean streak isn't something Schultz will ever develop. He's the complete opposite in that regard. And that is a huge part of Chara's enigma and contribution to his team.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 15, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

using his good size to his advantage does NOT mean he should start looking to clobber people on the ice. I remember many years ago when Jaromir Jagr was asked who was the most difficult to play against, he said it was Joe Reekie. He said it was because Reekie never trys to do much, he just trys to get in your way.. just waits for you to make a move first.

Schultz has a lot more natural abilities than Reekie ever did. There is no reason to think that he can't be a solid NHL d-man for the Caps in the very near future. There is more than one way to play D in the NHL. Many ignorant "fans" in this town think that there's only one way to play D in the NHL, the Scott Steven style.

Posted by: joek443 | July 15, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

i heard schultz was hand delivering his signed offer sheet to the caps, but fell over backwards on the way and missed the deadline...

i kid, i kid. i hope he stays, really i do. he's 23 for crying out loud..plus he's got some real competition now w/ karl and carlson, etc. how do you think the islander's fans feel now after trading chara when he was 23-24 years old for that stiff yashin.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 15, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

You put a Chara on our blueline and a lot of those critical garbage goals the Flyers and Penguins scored the last 2 playoff seasons will disappear. Not only will no forward want anything to do with the crease when Chara mans that area, but his play will rub off on our other defensemen. They'll all play a bit bigger, a bit meaner. And pairing him with a Mike Green will do wonders for Green's defensive work ethic and tenacity. Does anyone realistically ever see Schultz being that same kind of overwhelming positive influence? Will the team follow the Sarge into battle?

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 15, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1,

thanks for making my point... Both Stevens and Murphy are in the hall of fame. One was a physical force and the other was a smart finnesse player. there is more than one way to play the game, they can't all play the same style. They are as different as anyone else.

Posted by: joek443 | July 15, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

MetalCapsFan, you make a good point.

Guys big as Schultz often take longer to reach their full potential. He might turn out to be a bust but it's still way too early to give up on him. There aren't that many 6'6 guys in the NHL who can skate. All he needs to learn is use his size to his advantage and learn not to play out of position.. don't get caught playing the puck, just make them go around you.

Posted by: joek443 | July 15, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

the only time that argument is true is when you already have a player who has the right mentality and its just the process of growing into one's body and frame. Schultz has a very timid passive mentality, always has. That hasn't developed at all. He's improved his strength over the past 2 years. But his mentality is still the same old scared little Schultz. When you have young big power forward types, those are the guys who have a lot of upside because they take a while to add muscle to their frame and learn how to skate in that big body. Bertuzzi was a good example of a player the Isles gave up on too soon. Heck, as was Chara albeit as a defenseman. But usually when scouts or whoever talk about bigger players taking longer to develop, they usually are talking about power forwards.

I sure Joe Finley improves his skating. Because he's a heckuva lot closer to Chara's mentality than is #55

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 15, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Tweeter said he rejected offer...and now this. I knew it was too god to be true!!!! WTF.

Posted by: Willy6 | July 15, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1,

thanks for making my point... Both Stevens and Murphy are in the hall of fame. One was a physical force and the other was a smart finnesse player. there is more than one way to play the game, they can't all play the same style. They are as different as anyone else.

Posted by: joek443 | July 15, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm not making a judgment call on how good or bad Larry Murphy was. What I'm saying is that you cannot look at stats and compare players, there are too many variables that don't show up on a statsheet.

So if you're making the point that there are a lot of different ways to make the HOF, thats new to this discussion and you won't get any argument from me. So far, certain fans have tried to project Schultz as a Chara based mainly on the fact that Schultz is tall and gangly, and so was Chara at one point. Thats where the similarity ends. There is nothing similar between their styles of play -> and that is the larger point. Can Schultz be serviceable? Sure. Can he dominate the game the way Chara does? Does he bring the Chara-esque traits to the table of an intimidating presence who provides strong leadership? No. Can he grow into that? Again, not likely. In fact, he's probably the least likely NHL player to ever turn into Chara in that regard.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 15, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

[Both Stevens and Murphy are in the hall of fame. One was a physical force and the other was a smart finnesse player. there is more than one way to play the game, they can't all play the same style]

So why compare Schultz to Chara then? What about Chara's game are you fans projecting to occur in Schultz's game? I mean, why Chara? Why not Pronger or a bazillion other defensemen who've played this game ? If you're going to compare a player to Chara, I'm assuming you have to be referring at least partly to Chara's physically imposing style, right? I mean, thats a huge part of Chara's game. If he wasn't physical or intimidating, he'd be much less effective. So are you saying that Schultz could turn into a "finesse" version of Chara? gross

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 15, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

maybe cody eakin will turn into dale hunter. Minus you know..the toughness, the grit, the outstanding leadership..

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 15, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

how much time does he need? Alzner is already far better than schultz. sounds like Carlson also be at 19.

Posted by: Willy6 | July 15, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

cstanton, did chara dominate the game when he was 23 and in his third year in the league. not hardly. would anyone outside of his family have guessed that chara would win the norris trophy one day? probably not. will schultz win the norris trophy one day? probably not.

the tall and gangly comparison is valid because that's exactly why chara took longer to develop just as (hopefully) schultz will. chara was hardly intimidating in his islander days.

at any rate, you dont jettison him at 23...but i would agree that he'd better improve this year or he's going to be overwhelmed by the guys waiting in the wings.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 15, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

As far as stats not meaning anything: tell that to the teams/players when they go to arbitration hearings and use other players' numbers to determine a fair working wage.

Of course, Schultz doesn't have the mean streak that Chara does. The point of my comparison was to show that a player we'd all acknowledge to be among the best defensmen currently playing went through some rough times early on in his career. TWO teams gave up on him before, in his 11th NHL season, he became the currently dominating force (and Norris Trophy Winner) on the B's blueline.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the last Caps D-man who had the aforementioned meanstreak was one Mr. Brendan Witt, a guy who would admittedly lay guys out, but also was a master of taking ill-advised penalties, especially during the latter years of his tenure in DC. I don't think too many people missed him when he left (read: demanded a trade).

So, again I'll take a guy like Schultz, who has a potential upside and takes few penalties, given the time, over a bruiser who will put the Caps on the PK at inopportune moments.

If, indeed, Alzner and Carlson assume spots in the top 4, Schultz would likely play in the third 'D' pair, which is where he might need to be at this point in his development. He wouldn't be playing against the other teams top lines nearly as often, which theoretically should give him a little more breathing room to grow his game. All this is predicated, of course, on the outcome of the QO situation.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 15, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

how much time does he need? Alzner is already far better than schultz. sounds like Carlson also be at 19.

Posted by: Willy6 | July 15, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm not an Alzner fan yet so I'll decline comment but Carlson for sure. Ask Hershey fans what they thought of Schultz. They hated him. Ask them what they think of Carlson. He's a rock already. He's got a different mentality than our beanpole. Carlson won't back down, he makes forwards compete for every inch of ice. Schultz just pulls his best WWII imitation of France v Germany. He lays on his back and counts ceiling tiles.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 15, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1,

I couldn't care less what the mental make up is.. as long as they're EFFECTIVE and get the job done. Chara is 32 now and I'm sure 10 years ago, many Islanders fans were saying similar things you're saying about Schultz now.

They can't all have the junkyard dog mentality like Hunter and Stevens. there have been plenty of smart and finnesse defensemen who never played like Scott Stevens but were just as effective helping their team win. it's always been a mystery to me why some Caps fans think there's only one way to play defense in the NHL, the Langway/Stevens way. yes, you need to have a physical force like them back there but you also need players like Larry Murphy, Calle Johansson and Mike Green. You need balance in hockey like any other sport

Posted by: joek443 | July 15, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1,

I couldn't care less what the mental make up is.. as long as they're EFFECTIVE and get the job done. Chara is 32 now and I'm sure 10 years ago, many Islanders fans were saying similar things you're saying about Schultz now.

They can't all have the junkyard dog mentality like Hunter and Stevens. there have been plenty of smart and finnesse defensemen who never played like Scott Stevens but were just as effective helping their team win. it's always been a mystery to me why some Caps fans think there's only one way to play defense in the NHL, the Langway/Stevens way. yes, you need to have a physical force like them back there but you also need players like Larry Murphy, Calle Johansson and Mike Green. You need balance in hockey like any other sport

Posted by: joek443 | July 15, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

i'll ask this again, so why compare Schultz to Chara then? What specific common factors in Chara's game does Schultz have currently? What specific common factors in Chara's game do you envision Schultz having in the future?

Sounds like you're making a case that Schultz does NOT have to be like Chara to be successful. If thats the new argument, then its an easier perhaps more valid argument. But I'll guarantee you he won't be AS successful or dominating. If you want to compare Schultz's style to someone else who is successful, refer to Lidstrom. He's a better argument because he's a great defenseman who isn't physically dominating but he's very smart and strong on his skates. Lidstrom's physicality is underrated IMO. He'll very effectively eliminate his man when he has to and he's strong along the boards without plastering a player ala Chara.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 15, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

t's always been a mystery to me why some Caps fans think there's only one way to play defense in the NHL, the Langway/Stevens way. yes, you need to have a physical force like them back there but you also need players like Larry Murphy, Calle Johansson and Mike Green. You need balance in hockey like any other sport

Posted by: joek443 | July 15, 2009 9:42 PM

we already have Poti, Mike Green and Carlson coming up with Alzner. We don't need Schultz to further balance anything out. He'll actually upset that balance in the wrong direction. You need to fill the remaining 3 spots with players who do play with a certain junkyard mentality - and that could be Erskine, Juice and Mo. And if one of them doesn't make it, then the spot needs to be filled by a similar type of player. not a jeff schultz.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 15, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

MetalCapsFan,

Interesting points made...

If there was a stat for meanness or aggressiveness, how do you think they would compare?

I see Schultz as being below avg in aggressive play/meanness and Chara above avg.

Not to confuse aggression with a lack of control... There is a big difference.

Posted by: muddapucker | July 15, 2009 9:07 PM


Yeah, there's no compartison between the relative meanness of Chara/Schultz, Chara wins hands down, but I'd suspect the Caps scouts who saw him play knew what they were getting when they recommended drafting him.

Considering the Caps just brought in Bob Woods to coach the defense, it'll be interesting to see how things might improve across the board, er, blueline.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 15, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1,

scroll back and look, I was NOT the one who made the comparison. But I agree with the point he was making.

The Chara we see now is NOT the same Chara who played for the Islanders 10 years ago. And it's early too early to give up on Schultz.

they can't all play like Stevens and they can't all be your number one and two defensemen. some of them have to be your number 3 thru 6 d-men. Just because Schultz is not likely a future Norris trophy winning d-man, doesn't mean the Caps should let him go.

Posted by: joek443 | July 15, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

cstanton:
"the only time that argument is true is when you already have a player who has the right mentality and its just the process of growing into one's body and frame. Schultz has a very timid passive mentality, always has. That hasn't developed at all. He's improved his strength over the past 2 years. But his mentality is still the same old scared little Schultz."

-------------

Commenting on his physical game, Schultz himself told Tarik before last season, "I have to convince myself that I won't get hurt" (by playing the body). This is just not a guy who is happy in his profession. Physically, he has the tools, but he lacks the drive.

Posted by: Hatfield223 | July 15, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm referring to the Hawks screwing up their QO's a week or two back. Their GM has since been fired.

Posted by: oviwan1 | July 15, 2009 7:37 PM |

Tallon getting fired had absolutely nothing to do with him getting fired. He was going to get fired either way. It's not like he had anything to do with the draft/free agency anyway, it was all the Bowmans.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 15, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Tallon getting fired had absolutely nothing to do with him getting fired. He was going to get fired either way. It's not like he had anything to do with the draft/free agency anyway, it was all the Bowmans.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 15, 2009 10:10 PM

Yeah, no doubt about it. Scotty's fingerprints are all over this firing. Tallon is quite the company man, though, since he stayed on with the 'Hawks as an advisor and refused to badmouth them in a TSN inty today. Apparently, he's getting paid the same salary as he was receiving as GM. Check out his comments here:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=284766

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 15, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Schultz will never ever, ever be a Norris runner-up.

Will be maybe start clearing the crease someday? Maybe. Hell, he could start hitting and actually skate backwards competently one day. But I doubt he will ever possess either the leadership Chara brings, or the sheer physicality and quick feet for a goliath.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 15, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

You think Schultz' agent would have learned from Chicago's mishap. Why wait until the last minute?

5:05 PM July 15 -
Schultz'z Agent: Jeff, were have you been? You were suppose to be here an hour ago!

Jeff: I parked my car and was on my way to your office when someone called out my name from behind. So I turn to see who it was and the next thing I know, I tripped over my feet and hit my head on the pavement. 45 minutes later I come to and make my way to your office. So here I am.

Schultz' Agent: Jeff, you've got to learn to keep your feet further apart. Last time you did something like this, you were done for the playoffs. This time you might be done with the Caps. Hurry, sign your name here at the bottom.

Schultz' agent puts the offer in the fax machine and types in the Caps' number. Beep beep beep.

Schultz' Agent - What the f***!!!!!

One minute later the machine redials and finally goes through. Schultz' agent calls GMGM.

Schultz' Agent: Hey George, you got the fax with Jeff's offer sheet.

GMGM: Yeah, just got it but it's too late. This is no good!

Schultz' Agent: Come on George, just accept it. You're getting this kid at an excellent price. He's the next Chara! Jeff and I are going to call TSN and tell them we got the offer in before 5.

GMGM: I have to reject it. Let's make your mistake go away. How about I draft up a one year two way contract for $700,000. I think that's fair!

Schultz' Agent: George, I've got numerous teams line up to sign him for multiple years one way for $1.5 mil a year.

GMGM: Go for it then. We're stocked up with D anyway. I won't tell anyone of Jeff's tripping habits.

Posted by: puckman | July 15, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

I see that Dale Hunter is in town to see his star pupil Carlson. heard BB commenting that he looked like a young Rob Blake. From what I've heard sounds like Carlson has more of the tough makeup this team needs than Alzner.

Posted by: joek443 | July 15, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Wow, lots of references to Schultz blowing a tire vs. the Rags. Good thing that one mistake like that doesn't (necessarily) cost someone their career. To wit (from Wiki):

"...On April 30, 1986 (his 23rd birthday), rookie Steve Smith and the Oilers were playing in Game 7 of the Smythe Division Final against the arch-rival Calgary Flames. In the third period, with the score tied at two, he made a pass from behind his own net that inadvertently ricocheted off goaltender Grant Fuhr and into the Edmonton net. The Oilers never recovered and ultimately lost the series, while Calgary went on to the Stanley Cup Finals.

Despite this incident, Smith would enjoy a long, successful NHL career, winning three Stanley Cups with the Oilers (1987, 1988, and 1990). In 1991, he was selected to represent Canada in the Canada Cup tournament..."

The crime:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snGQQw7bfqA

God forbid that Alzner/Carlson should be the subject to the criticism that Schultz receives should they also not live up to perhaps inflated expectations during their first few seasons patrolling the Caps blueline.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 15, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

In Tarik We Trust.....I'll beleive it when Tarik says its definitive. Keep up the good work.....Always see you working hard in the press box at Kettler.

Posted by: congero | July 15, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

I have no problem with Schultz, and can see him using his body someday. I agree with your main point; Schultz is too young really to give an accurate description of the type of player he will be.

But I don't think he will ever be a Norris runner-up. The only thing I see between them is size, so I think that is where the comparison comes from.

Schultz could very well turn into a great defender, but he will never be all the things Chara brings.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 15, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Just saw the video clip of Dale Hunter interview on the caps webpage. He was asked who Carlson reminded him of and he mentioned Larry Murphy... mainly because of how smart a plyer he is and his passing ability. He did say that Carlson was a better skater than Murphy.

Now sure him being compared to Murphy is a good thing in this town even if Murphy is a hall of famer. That moronic "whoop, whoop" crowd is still around...

Posted by: joek443 | July 15, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Okay, Schultz has his weaknesses, I'll admit. But it seems that the hating on Schultz is out of proportion to his crimes. Given that D-men tend to mature as players later than forwards, it's too soon to give up on Schultz.

He had to be doing something right to have the 2nd best Plus/Minus statistic among our D-men. Granted, that particular stat can be misleading but....

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 15, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

I hope the Caps tear it up if they get a signed QO from Schultz.

He sucks.

Posted by: FancyDan | July 15, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Schultz probably could have used some extra time in the AHL, but honestly, he's big, cheap, and he just has to learn to get in the way of people. He's young, and he needs some veteran guidance - something that's sorely missing from this Caps defense - but I think letting him slip away at this point would be a huge mistake for the Caps defense.

You know who we ought to consider trading away? Poti. He's a huge cap hit, he's susceptible to groin injuries, and his offensive numbers are only slightly better than Schultz's last year. That, and I can count a few times where he's made boneheaded turnovers on outlet passes that have cost us games. There are a lot of other teams out there in need of puck-moving defensemen (Columbus comes to mind) who we could trade him to for draft picks or other prospects. This would mean we're no longer up against the cap, and we're deep enough on D that it won't be a huge issue. Plus, we've got a better chance of moving him than, say, Theodore (would you give up a draft pick/prospect/anything when you could hire Biron or Gerber for the same salary or less) or Nylander (whose no movement clause means that we couldn't waive/trade/loan him unless he wanted to go). Wouldn't be surprised to see him dangled as trade bait during the season.

Posted by: DC_BCF | July 15, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Please trade Poti and Pothier and just replace them with Carlson and Alzner. Go with youth who are already winners (at the AHL level) and get rid of veterans who have never won anything in their lives and are just taking up valuable salary space. I would rather take my chances with the rookies than those two meek, puck-fumbling veteran d-men. Also, why is S. Morrison being paid so much money? How is his contribution being measured and justified?

Posted by: JohnWWW | July 15, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Some of you may remember this article from last year, but it's worth checking out again in reference to why Morrisonn's salary is what it is:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/gloves-come-off-during-arbitration/article701005/

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 16, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

I like Poti and think we need to keep his experience on the blueline. If he can stay healthy, he's a solid piece.

Look at the average age of the D-men on the two teams that made the finals. I think it would be risky for Erskine and Pothier to be our only guys with plenty of experience, esp. considering both of them are a concussion away from being done.

Ideally, I'd like to see Green, Poti, Alzner, Carlson, Erskine, Jurcina and maybe Morissonn, since he accepted the QO, making up our D corps.

I like Pothier but wouldn't complain if we could move him.

I'm not sure what to think about Schultz. He seems like a bust but as some have pointed out, he's young so maybe it's too early to give up on him.

Posted by: tmac2yao | July 16, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

This stuff about Schultz and Chara doesn't really hold up. Chara is 6'9" and 261 lbs and an athletic freak of nature. Jeff Schultz is 6'6 and 225 and... not so much. Chara has 3 inches and nearly 40 lbs on him.

Also I'm sure when Chara was 23 he still had that monster slapshot. With that kind of size and leverage Schultz should be able to blast a wicked slapshot, but what does he do? He takes this little half slapper that wouldn't get past many pee wee goalies, because if he went with a full backswing, guess what, he'd fall over.

Yeah a lot of us have pointed out him falling over, because that was his career to this point summarized in one small play.

Can someone tell me one thing that Schultz legitimately does well? Or even remember one play where you said, wow, nice play by Schultz? I mean he had that streak in the 07-08 season where he scored a few goals, but none of them were that impressive, they were pretty fluky as far as I can remember.

Posted by: DirtyDannyV | July 16, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

I actually read a scouting report once that said Schultz has pretty good offensive skills. The scout believed he was being groomed defensively and hasn't yet showed it at the NHL level.

I think he is also a better puckhandler and passer than we've seen so far. If he ever gains some confidence, he may be able to show these skills more regularly, assuming they really exist.

The obvious concern with Schultz is that he plays too soft for someone with his lack of speed. Defensively, it seems to me that he absolutely has to become more aggressive to be effective. I understand that he's long and supposedly good at poking pucks away and taking away space but with his lack of agility, he needs to be able to use his leverage and size to knock people off the puck in addition to playing smart positionally. I don't ever see him having the speed to get away with below average aggression. If he can't deter players with his body to some extent, it will simply be too easy to get around him, no matter how good he is positionally.

Posted by: tmac2yao | July 16, 2009 12:58 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to go ahead and see if Bob Woods could maybe get Schultz perform the way all of you armchair GM's expect him to perform. If he doesn't, then yeah, we'll see if some other team will want him.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 16, 2009 1:02 AM | Report abuse

Holy wow I can't believe what I'm reading. Schultz/Chara? This is a joke right? I understand that Chara is better now than he was 10yrs ago with the Isles but somebody on this board please tell me other than size Chara 10yrs ago has in common with today's Schultz? Sorry folks but that's where the comparisons end. IMO Schultz will never be a 1-4 Dman on a Cup contending team. He will be a 5-6 Dman and that will be more as a fill in vs. a full time 5-6 Dman. He's got everything you'd want as far as size but he can't move, he can't hit and he's not exactly known as a crisp outlet passing Dman. Sorry folks but I'll take a 70th round draft pick in 2025 for him. Especially with Alzner and Carlson now looking to secure spots. Gee guys, maybe just MAYBE GMGM is right again! Maybe our D is "fine"! This shouldn't even be a discussion.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | July 16, 2009 1:30 AM | Report abuse

BTW folks, who wants to come out to Colorado for the Dec 15th game? Would love to have some Caps fans out here for the game. The Caps always have a great showing out here as far as fans are concerned. Kinda surprising but there are a lot of Caps fan out here. Love it!

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | July 16, 2009 1:31 AM | Report abuse

Ha Ha! I just looked at the list of players that have signed to play in the KHL. Mr Joel Kwiatkowski is playing in the KHL! Who could ever forget that massive, shut down, smash mouth in your face D tandem of Joel Kwiatkowski and Jason Doig? May God have mercy on their souls! Gee maybe Schultz can go there and be his D partner! LMAO!

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | July 16, 2009 1:53 AM | Report abuse

I got bashed for injecting my opinion on Hunter and so many of you in here regulary bash current Caps. Green, Schultz and Semin have been regular targets. Not sure why that makes me an idiot so many of you experts.

As for Schultz, hopefully, at least for now, the majority of people in here can say that they like BB, and think he is a pretty good coach. With that being said, those bashing Schultz to the point of saying he is the worst player in the NHL, are questioning BB's ability to spot talent. BB loves the kid and has him in his line-up all the time. Schultz did not miss many games as a healthy scratch, probably zero. His ice time doesn't dwindle as time expires, he was used on a regular basis on a Caps team that got the most points in team history. He was there pretty much every night even though a bunch of you said he sucked. At the risk of getting hammered again, I'll say it, I like Schultz, he's not fancy but he's on the ice for more goals for than goals against.

IMO the biggest QO acceptance surprise is ShaMo. The QO for Schultz probably wasn't much so the Caps were probably absolutely fine with him accepting the offer. ShaMo got at least 1.9mil to match last season's salary and the Caps could have done without that cap hit. Players are accepting offers because they want to stay here in Washington because they can probably feel a Cup coming.

Posted by: fanohock1 | July 16, 2009 6:32 AM | Report abuse

@fanohock1

Agree with your last post. I couldn't believe all the attacks on you for criticising Hunter yesterday. You're no troll.

Like you, I can't understand all the bashing of Green, Semin, and Schultz either. Who were the Caps 2 best D-men from the Plus/Minus standpoint? None other than Schultz and Green. As for Semin, it seems like he would have to be the overwhelming choice for the Hart Trophy to keep people happy. (And, no, I don't stick up for these guys because they're about the age of my first child although that is true, as well.)

Glad to see that Hunter is at least becoming a good coach even if he was, at times, a dirty player for the Caps.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 16, 2009 6:47 AM | Report abuse

Here is the updated cap. It now has a full 23-man roster and over $600K in space, fully counting Alzner's bonus.

Down at the bottom I list the "extra" players not counted in cap. I put Mo down there because I can't see him staying. I put Jurcina down there because he's unsigned. I put Collins and Bourque down there because I don't know if they can go to Hershey w/o waivers. Usually, players signing the QO after the entry-level contract require waivers - I think. And I don't think they want to just lose Bourque.

As for Schultz, he's a fair value at $682K as a #6/7 defenseman. I don't expect him as a 1-4 defenseman, as he's sure not being paid like it. I understand he has plenty of room to improve, but can't quite understand the amount of criticism. He's a better value at salary IMO than ShaMo.

Ovechkin 9.538
Nylander 4.875
Semin 4.600
Knuble 2.800
Clark 2.633
Backstrom 2.400
Laich 2.067
Morrison 1.500
Bradley 1.000
Fehr 0.772
Gordon 0.761
Flash 0.725
Steckel 0.725
Aucoin 0.500
S/T 14 Forwards 34.896
Green 5.250
Poti 3.500
Pothier 2.500
Alzner (w/bonus) 1.675
Erskine 1.275
Schultz 0.682
Sloan 0.640
S/T 7 Defensemen 15.522
Theodore 4.500
Varlamov 0.850
S/T 2 Goalies 5.350
Total 23 Players 55.768
Clymer (Buyout) 0.367
Total 23 Players + Clymer 56.135
Cap Space (Est) 56.800
Available 0.665
Extra Players
Morrisonn 1.975
Jurcina (Arbitration - Est) 1.250
Collins 0.625
Bourque 0.578
Extra Players - Sum 4.428

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 16, 2009 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Nice post fanohock1

But, the million dollar question is ... did he sign, or not? Still seems undecided here, and on the Caps official web page.

Posted by: PensFan98 | July 16, 2009 7:12 AM | Report abuse

I think he will, still. My guess is Schultz's agent will call Don Fishman and they'll hash the whole thing out today and get something signed.

Posted by: kittypawz | July 16, 2009 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Who knows what's up with Johnson? I must have missed the update somewhere along the way.

Posted by: Caps16Fan | July 16, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

muddapucker...I was always under the impression that the objective for a defenseman in the NHL was to prevent the puck from entering the net his goalie was defending. Schultz, at this phase of his development, is doing that rather well, as refernced by his +/- rating over two seasons. What you and hosts of others are taking issue with is the manner in which he accomplishes that objective - "he doesn't look mean doing it." There are no style points awarded in the NHL, so as long as Schultz is able to do his job - prevent the puck from going in the net his goalie is defending, I really don't care how he looks while he's doing it, so long as the end result continues to be his team is scoring more often when he's out there than his team is getting scored upon.

Posted by: shotfromthepoint | July 16, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Another reasonable point in the defense of Schultz is that he is often paired with Green. This pairing essentially makes Schultz the lone defenseman on the ice, playing with (for all intents and purposes) 4 forwards. That's a tall order for any 23 y/o.

Posted by: PensFan98 | July 16, 2009 8:13 AM | Report abuse

This is like one of those war movies I always watch.

First the Schultz bashers mass an attack!

Then the Schultz defenders organize for a counterattack!

D@mn the hockey pucks, full speed ahead!

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 16, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Schultz sent his offer in by mail bird. Thats why there was confusion.

Posted by: SA-Town | July 16, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

So tired of people intimating that green should be a forward.

Posted by: thiazzi | July 16, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

@thiazzi

It's just because fans of others teams are mad that he's better than most of their forwards. Some high-profile playoff games aside, Green is far far more than a point man on the power play, and we would all do well to remember that.

As for Schultz, I think we've had some hyperbole flying around this thread. I, for one, think he is neither the worst player in the NHL nor a future Norris candidate. I think we could end up having 6 or 7 guys who are better than he is this year, maybe, but not for sure, and for the amount of money we're paying him I'm not sure he's going to drag the team down.

Posted by: SmallZ827 | July 16, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Schultz is ok. He just needs to grow into his body. And ears.

Posted by: thiazzi | July 16, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Still waiting for someone to tell me what Schultz does well or one good play he made last year... this could take a while...

Posted by: DirtyDannyV | July 16, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we can trade Shultz for some better ice.

Posted by: whiteltng | July 16, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

It's past 10:30 and no confirm from GMGM/Fish...sounds like he really didn't sign and T E-B is waiting for the true skinny before getting back to us.

My guess ia a low $ multi year deal to avoid a future arbitration situation like Mo and Juice. No way GM lets this $s /ice time bargain get away.

I'm not really a Sarge sympathiser, but I think his stats are more of a direct result of his role in the system as dictated by coaching preferences.

Posted by: bonzilla | July 16, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

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