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Southeast renaissance: Caps have some competition

Take a look around the Southeast Division. If you haven't been paying attention this summer, several of these familiar teams don't bear much resemblance to the ones that the Washington Capitals bent to their will last season.

In 2009-10, Washington went 19-3-2 against Southeast Division foes and sealed a third straight division title faster than any team in more than 30 years. While there isn't much of a debate that the Capitals will remain at the top of the heap, it's possible Washington will face more of a challenge from its fellow Southeast squads than it has in the past few seasons. (If you haven't already, check out record analysis of the division's notorious "Southleast" reputation over at Peerless.)

"Every team in the division has gotten better," Coach Bruce Boudreau said. "The 24 games we play within the division are not going to be easy for us. For the most part, we're a very similar team to what we were, so they will know what they're facing whereas, with some of these teams that have changed more than the others, we're facing the unknown."

No team may have altered the landscape more than Tampa Bay as new owner Jeff Vinik brought in Steve Yzerman, who has simultaneously bolstered the franchise's credibility while overhauling its on- and off-ice personnel in his first few months as general manager. Yzerman's moves have been well documented this summer: bringing in Guy Boucher as head coach; resigning Martin St. Louis and Steve Downie; trading for Simon Gagne along with signing goaltender Dan Ellis, defensemen Pavel Kubina and Brett Clark and forward Dominic Moore.

There will be a lot of eyes on Tampa Bay this season to see how the new-look Lightning improve under Yzerman's and Boucher's direction. Boudreau believes their current renaissance resembles the one the Capitals went through a few seasons back.

"They're very similar in a lot of ways to Washington," Boudreau said. "With the re-growth that's going on down there, [Steven] Stamkos and [Victor] Hedman becoming focal points; they're putting the pieces of the puzzle together. They don't have the ownership problems that went on last year and there seems to be a lot of enthusiasm and optimism for them to move up."

Turn to Atlanta, where there's been a considerable influx of grit, size and physicality. General Manager Rick Dudley benefited from the summer dismantling of the Stanley Cup Champion Blackhawks' squad that he helped assemble during five prior years in Chicago.

"We've got a little more sandpaper now," Dudley said in a phone interview. "I knew these players and their character so well. ... I didn't want us to be playing against them. I think one thing we're starting to learn is the most successful teams forecheck well and have nastiness so that when defensemen go back to the puck, you have the grit to put them under a lot of duress. We have guys that play in-your-face hockey."

Dudley picked up former Blackhawks Dustin Byfuglien, Brent Sopel, Andrew Ladd and Ben Eager, signed goaltender Chris Mason and brought back Eric Boulton. That's not even counting the addition of Johnny Oduya and Niclas Bergfors, whom Atlanta obtained as part of the trade-deadline deal that sent Ilya Kovalchuk to New Jersey a season ago.

The Thrashers, who missed the playoffs by five points in 2009-10, might not be entirely ready for primetime, but they do look poised to be a much more unpleasant team to play against. It's safe to say they wouldn't mind making things a little more difficult on the Capitals, who were 6-0 against Atlanta a season ago.

"Washington's the top team. That's a given," Dudley said. "We're probably the team that's had the toughest time against them, and if they have anything close to the season they did last year, they'll win it again, but it should be a little tougher to win the division this year."

Carolina didn't undergo a dramatic facelift like those in Tampa Bay and Atlanta, but the Hurricanes have been the Capitals' biggest rival within the Southeast throughout Boudreau's tenure.

A lot of Carolina's hopes will ride on the fortunes of goaltender Cam Ward and the ability to establish offensive depth, but regardless of where the Hurricanes wind up in the standings, chances are they'll have a few more close games against the Capitals. Washington went 3-1-2 against Carolina last season.

"Consistently, they are the toughest team that we play against every year," Boudreau said. "They're just a team that never ever quits, and Eric Staal always seems to play his best against us."

Perhaps the only team in the division with minimal expectations this season is Florida, which has missed the playoffs nine consecutive times. Dale Tallon, the architect of last year's Stanley Cup winning Blackhawks team, has taken the reins as general manager and has begun a complete rebuild. How long it will take -- or if it will work -- is anyone's guess, though.

When asked if the Capitals could benefit from more parity within the Southeast Division, Boudreau didn't go as far as to welcome the challenge.

"From my position, it's hard to wish for tougher competition," Boudreau said. "Quite frankly, I wish every team in the league stunk, but that's never going to be the case. This year there's been a lot of improvement -- a lot of it right around us. The division's going to be tougher; that's for sure, but we know we've got a good team here, too."

By Katie Carrera  |  August 27, 2010; 12:50 PM ET
 
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Oh boy cue Cstanton! LMAO! Will you enough time today to get on this?

I tell ya buddy, I bet you become very fond of Atlanta this yr.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 27, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Katie:

nice work, but tell us something we don't know.

Posted by: doughless | August 27, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I am worried most about Tampa and Carolina. Atlanta will be pesky but do they have any offense at all?

Caps got 40 pts there in 24 games vs SE last year or 83% of the available total. Take out the Southeast last year and Caps got 70% of the pts against everyone else. For this year, I'd expect the Caps to get more like the 70% against the SE and that would mean a loss from 121 pts total to 115 pts or from 40 down to 34 in the SE.

So, for now, that's my Caps prediction - 115 pts.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 27, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Tampa should be better, if Lecavalier recovers. That being said, their defense and goal-tending don't exactly intimidate most forwards. It's also time the Caps figured out Carolina.

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS1 | August 27, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

It looks like the Atlanta Thrashers have Dustin Byfuglien penciled in to play defense. GM Rick Dudley tells the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, "It's a position that he likes to play. It's a position that I thought he was well on his way to being a top, top defenseman in Chicago."

That was on ESPN's insider. Looks like the Caps D have one less guy to worry about in front of the net.

Posted by: icehammer97 | August 27, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

nice job katie

"We've got a little more sandpaper now," Dudley said in a phone interview. "I knew these players and their character so well. ... I didn't want us to be playing against them. I think one thing we're starting to learn is the most successful teams forecheck well and have nastiness so that when defensemen go back to the puck, you have the grit to put them under a lot of duress. We have guys that play in-your-face hockey."

Dudley picked up former Blackhawks Dustin Byfuglien, Brent Sopel, Andrew Ladd and Ben Eager, signed goaltender Chris Mason and brought back Eric Boulton. That's not even counting the addition of Johnny Oduya and Niclas Bergfors, whom Atlanta obtained as part of the trade-deadline deal that sent Ilya Kovalchuk to New Jersey a season ago."

you can't argue with any of the acquisitions Atlanta has made so far. The coup de grace was landing Andrew Ladd at the end there. And you can be sure the way the Thrash will attempt to win games v the Caps is by wearing us down via a bruising game. All in all, this is great for the Caps. They'll be forced to engage in some more intense intradivision hockey which can only benefit them if they make it to the playoffs. Florida will probably end up at the bottom. Carolina on paper again looks weak, but that org sure knows how to squeeze blood out of a stone. Huge overachievers.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I think you'll see Buffy play D and upfront, esp on PPs. He's versatile like that and he played that way in Norfolk. But playing him on D opens up another spot upfront where Atlanta is a little choked up right now. That's on their bottom 2 lines. It may give that kid Cormier a shot to crack the lineup. And he's one nasty player in his own right. Big hitter, decent scrapper. And he can skate.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

i'm a little late to the party today - so please forgive me for bringing this back up.

my 2 cents on cap circumvention (kovy/huet)

i see two major differences between the kovy deal and huet/nlys

kovy - if he retires before his contract expires: no cap hit, no contract, no payment to the player

huet - no cap hit, still counts as a contract, player still gets paid

any team that chooses to 'hide' a player in the minors or another league must still manage that player at some level

kovy retires - nj is free an clear of any cap/player management

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 27, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

. And you can be sure the way the Thrash will attempt to win games v the Caps is by wearing us down via a bruising game. All in all, this is great for the Caps. They'll be forced to engage in some more intense intradivision hockey which can only benefit them if they make it to the playoffs.
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Couldn't agree with you more. Atlanta will absolutely mimic the team we had in the 1st and 2nd yrs of our rebuild. There wasn't a lot of skill but teams flat didn't want to play us. Atlanta does however have a lil more talent than we did so I certainly see them in the playoff hunt.

You want to see a picture of disaster that would make some heads roll? Caps win the East have the #1 seed, Atlanta has the #8 seed and we go out in the 1st round. It better not happen but somebody would lose their job if it did.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 27, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

So, for now, that's my Caps prediction - 115 pts.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 27, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse
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Tom - I agree that we won't hit the 121 mark but I don't think we'll go that low. Put me down for 118. I have many reasons for my thinking here but the second I state what my reasons are there will be others that will blow it up with negative crud to make it look like we're an 80pt team so I'll defer. We'll see who's right at the end of the yr.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 27, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

"The Thrashers, who missed the playoffs by five points in 2010-11, might not be entirely ready for primetime..." Did we just go through a time warp or something? I know the season can fly by, but was it THAT fast? How did we do?

Posted by: gebster | August 27, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

"Every team in the Division has gotten better"??? Nice politically safe answer (which is obviously fodder). Tampa and Atlanta certainly got better. Florida and Carolina, no way. Agree with the 115 point prediction. I don't see us going 19-2-3 again against the SE.

Posted by: dsphvywght | August 27, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Atlanta will absolutely mimic the team we had in the 1st and 2nd yrs of our rebuild. There wasn't a lot of skill but teams flat didn't want to play us. Atlanta does however have a lil more talent than we did so I certainly see them in the playoff hunt.
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i was thinking the same thing. When we started the rebuild the first step was to create a hardworking hungry team. The Brads-Suts-Clymer line was certainly reflective of that. The difference is, Atlanta has more talent currently than the Caps did at that time. And that #1 v #8 seed scenario you laid out I'd be ecstatic to see. Because if we did get bounced again early, that would lead to major changes. I think even if we won in 7 and then got waxed in the 2nd round, it should lead to some major changes.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I am worried most about Tampa and Carolina. Atlanta will be pesky but do they have any offense at all?
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they'll need to focus more on the defensive side. They'll be good for one grind-out goal per game. And contributions from Evander Kane, Little, Bergfors, Antropov.

Interesting sidenote to their roster. They picked up one of McPhee's initial draft picks as a Caps GM. A big kid named Mike Siklenka. He never panned into an offensive talent so he worked on his toughness and eventually became a pretty feared fighter as a 3rd/4th liner in the minors. Esp when he joined Philly's organization. He's described as a defenseman but for all intents and purposes he switched to forward when he was still Caps property. Maybe he's a minor league signing who knows. But it looks like he had a good yr scoring-wise in a Euro league last yr. I remember him really well though. I was hoping he'd somehow crack our team as a depth role player.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Is it October yet???

Posted by: jwash4472 | August 27, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

thanks, KC, good work

Seems Dudley had connections in Chicago and called in a few chips - both sides scratching each other's backs. The best player in that group is Bfgulien (don't don't ask me to spell it), neh? You can keep Ladd and Sopel and Eager, nothing special there. Surprised Chicago let Buf go. Everyone remember those absurd trade rumors, Nylander for him? Ha!

Overall, a stronger division is better for the team, also. Some good games coming up this year with TB and Atlanta.


Posted by: RedLitYogi | August 27, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

no, but its still been the quickest offseason ever.

someone should read the Flash interview posted by wt-efehry. He too uses the "we had one bad week" excuse (no offense ice).

insane. I'd cut a player so freaking fast who used that excuse publicly its not funny.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Ladd is way more consistent than Buff. Buff would disappear for long stretches last yr. Ladd is your prototypical strong quality nhl grinder with talent. He comes to play every night. Buff turns it on, then goes to sleep, then turns it on, etc.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Geez guys...I honestly think it is kinda early to be planning a front office overhaul party for next season playoffs.

Posted by: nimrodrsp | August 27, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

And Eager is a solid 4th line bruiser. Nothing wrong there either. I'd take him over any of our 4th line wingers. He's not a heavyweight but he's one of the game's heavier hitters, he knows how to play his role and he's a good middleweight scrapper. Last yr in a game v the Flyers, Eager went after Hartnell all game long. How many Capitals have ever even looked at Hartnell the wrong way? Eager is 230lbs of abrasive energy. And good enough to play in 35 playoff games the past 2 seasons.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Geez guys...I honestly think it is kinda early to be planning a front office overhaul party for next season playoffs.

Posted by: nimrodrsp | August 27, 2010 3:12 PM

never too early. I'm already on record for saying the Caps will have another disappointing playoff exit. The only way to make that scenario palatable is to imagine "some heads are gonna roll!!"

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

"never too early. I'm already on record for saying the Caps will have another disappointing playoff exit."

Only the post season matters.

Unless there is crazy injuries, the Caps should coast into the playoffs rather easily.

Then they will lose because they keep neglecting thier biggest need: defense.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | August 27, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I think starting the playoffs on the road would be a good thing for this team. They need to deal with adversity at the start of a series and then be forced to adjust. It will bring them closer as a team and quicker into a playoff mindset.
Starting the playoffs at home, vs a bottom seed, all that hype..its not good for a team like the Caps.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

as commish for the new women's hockey league, i have designed the following uniform

http://www.break.com/pictures/lingerie-hockey167853.html

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

as commish for the new women's hockey league, i have designed the following uniform

http://www.break.com/pictures/lingerie-hockey167853.html


Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 3:28 PM

what - no high heels!?!?

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 27, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

Flash also said he put on a few pounds to help him for this season. He made himself bigger so he is better able to handle the physical play in the NHL. Isn't that the sort of off-season dedication and training you wanted?

Posted by: sgm3 | August 27, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

"The Brads-Suts-Clymer line was certainly reflective of that. The difference is, Atlanta has more talent currently than the Caps did at that time. And that #1 v #8 seed scenario you laid out I'd be ecstatic to see. Because if we did get bounced again early, that would lead to major changes. I think even if we won in 7 and then got waxed in the 2nd round, it should lead to some major changes."

Posted by: cstanton1

I know that you are a Caps fan despite your persistant bellyaching (in more posts than anyone could possibly read) about what this team lacks. But surely you are not wishing for the Caps to fail--before the season has even started--just to change up the management. Even for you this is a new low.

What would you do if the Caps managed to succeed with McPhee and Boudreau? Would you be able to feel joy? Or peace? Or would you just call it a fluke?

Just for once could you be a little more moderate in your tone and outlook. And perhaps post a little less often and with more civility. It's a steady thump, thump, thump against the wall. Surely you have a headache by now.

Posted by: capsfan4life2 | August 27, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

what - no high heels!?!?

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ

hey, i'm not a misogynist!

besides....the price for ice repairs would be cost-prohibitive.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

But surely you are not wishing for the Caps to fail-
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i've heard this before and i don't get it. Whether I wish for something or not, i have no control over it. My comment was simply what I consider to be an educated guess. I thought their playoff-readiness was far below what other fans thought in the midst of their great reg season, and I wasn't wrong. I think that yet again, they'll fall short. I'm not wishing for it just to see BB and GM get canned. I just think that because they lack understanding of some core concepts, this team will continue to underachieve in the playoffs with them at the helm.

If they play against form and start making some idealogical changes reflected in systems and personnel, I'll change my tune. But as of right now, I think this team will fall short and the call to fire one or both of them will gain momentum. That's really it in a nutshell.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

and yes, somedays my head does hurt.

But about being moderate in my outlook, I don't get that either. Moderate, extreme, whatever, I'm just being true to self and realistic. But I can try every now and then to be moderate in tone. Unless I feel attacked by doll collectors.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

THN is reporting a breakthrough on the Kovalchuk front, although Daly denies.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/34886-Report-NHL-to-approve-latest-Ilya-Kovalchuk-contract-proposal.html

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 27, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

OK, since this is maybe coming to an end, I will predict they drop the last five years at $550K each and make it 12 yrs/$96-98.4M for $8-8.2M/yr cap hit.

I have long maintained that his value vs Ovechkin, Gaborik, DSedin, Cammalleri puts him at 8.125.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 27, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

Interesting. I'm very curious to see what the terms are.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 27, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1:
i'm not sure i can find any downside to womens hockey
some hockey slang can take on a whole new meaning

2-on-1
3-on-2
5-on-3
Backhander
Backchecking
Backdoor
Biscuit in the basket
Boarding
Body checking
Butterfly
Butter the biscuit
A helmet
Change on the fly
Cherry picking
Crease
Dive
Dump and chase
Extra attacker
Face wash
Five-hole
Flop
Flow
Full strength
Hat-trick
High stick
Hip checking
Hockey bag
Hooking
Laying on the lumber
One timer
Poke checking
Pull the goalie
Quick whistle
Rearguard
Ringing the pipe
Ripple the twine
Roughing
Sauce
Shorthanded
Shutdown pair
Sin bin
Sieve
Slapshot
Slashing
Slot
Slow whistle
Snap shot
Spin-o-rama
Split the D
Stack the pads
Stick checking
Stickhandling
Toe drag
Top shelf
The trap
Trapper
Two-way forward
Undressing
Video goal judge
Wrap around
Wrist shot

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 27, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

tsn reports it could be $100M, 15 yrs - cap hit of $6.66M (nice number for a devil)

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=331817

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 27, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

i think 'shutdown pair' is prolly my favorite. But then again, the ole poke check deserves a mention. Damn, then there's the player who can play a 'two way game'

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm working on redefining some penalties. Like 2 mins for inappropriate touching.

http://www.fresh99.com/images/footballbabes/lingerie_bowlIII_06.jpg

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I like "dump and chase" even though it's backwards.

Capt - I don't believe 15/$100M unless they substantially adjust the dollars/year in the outyears (i.e. lower the 11.5 in all the years 3 thru 8 to 9.5 and raise yrs 12-15 to maybe 6, 4, 2.5 and 1.5).

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 27, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

ouch, brutal, but hilarious! I'm not a girl but I can speak for sgm and say that girls don't like to be chased and dumped.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

'Ripple the twine'

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is that like a good rogering?

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I will remind all of you of the original nostrathomas projection:

50% chance Kovy stays with Devils in a restructured deal
30% the contract is rejected
20% the arbitration judge accepts original deal

So, the contract was rejected but will subsequently get restructured and accepted.

It's almost spooky the way nostrathomas does this...

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 27, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

While maybe the caps would benefit from some adversity, I don't think I want them coming into the playoffs as 8th seed. Like things just a little more solid than that.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | August 27, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Good post Katie, that is something we never got from your predecessor. I would have to show up more often ...

I see we still have the same posters with their lunatic idea that they know best than the people who assembled and coached the best team in hockey last year - oh, wait a minute, they lost one series at the end so they are a failure, my bad ... lol.

Posted by: hock1 | August 27, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I see we still have the same posters with their lunatic idea that they know best than the people who assembled and coached the best team in hockey last year - oh, wait a minute, they lost one series at the end so they are a failure, my bad ... lol.

Posted by: hock1

thank god we have you to balance us out. oh wait a minute, did you call the Caps the best team in hockey last year? never mind, you can go back to delusionland.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm working on redefining some penalties. Like 2 mins for inappropriate touching.

http://www.fresh99.com/images/footballbabes/lingerie_bowlIII_06.jpg


Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 4:29 PM

i didn't see any "inappropriate touching"

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 27, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

@capsfan75

obviously you can't plan it out and you try to win every game, but nothing wrong with coming in as a 5th or 6th seed. And while we can talk about matchups being the other variable, the bottom line is you have to get thru the best teams anyway so whether you face them in the 1st round or the 3rd round you still have to beat very good teams to advance deep. The more important aspect of reg season hockey is, you have to assemble a roster and play a style that gives you a legit chance of being a very tough playoff opponent. And so far since '98, the Caps have not provided that. Not even on paper.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

Sorry tominsocal, this is not a restructered deal, it is a new deal. The previous deal was rejected. Any deal now made is considered a new deal on it's face. The previous contract has no legal effect on the new contract if the new contract is approved.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 27, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

i didn't see any "inappropriate touching"

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 27, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

and that's why I'm making you my head of officials. Its precisely that type of forward-thinking that we need in this league.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

and if anything, its not inappropriate touching. Its more like delay of game.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

clearly there could never be a "too many women on the ice" penalty

team "enforcers" must be identify by wearing leather

no one can be "sent down" - that is strictly voluntary

intermission entertainment should consist of the "players" girlfriends

games would be broadcast in 3D

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 27, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

clearly there could never be a "too many women on the ice" penalty

Contrary, the penalty would be "not enough women on the ice" to suit the particular referree.

Capt, you're on quite a roll with this.

And, I notice sgm hasn't argued with you one bit and neither has joek443 come on the say it's obvious that Ted and GMGM don't care about the women's team winning.

BTW, I don't believe any of your posts mentioned "re-entry waivers."

Just how would that work?

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 27, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

and everytime someone scores the other team has to remove an article of clothing. First team to shed all clothing loses the game. Granted, this could lead to 6 hr games. But thats the price we pay.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if this is a minor league move only, or a precursor to a trade. (i.e. the Caps are about to acquire Kaberle provided he waives his nmc.)

But the Leafs just acquired young dman Matt Lashoff from Tampa (for an AHL grinder and another player). Means the Leafs are pretty choked up on their blueline now.

Gotta love Brian Burke. He wouldn't have touched Lashoff a yr ago because he hadn't shown any inclination to play physically. Then last yr he changes his game and starts playing things tougher and ends up on Burke's radar. Ex#1 pick of the Bruins.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

'games would be broadcast in 3D'
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hmm..double Ds in 3-D. Awesome.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

tominsocal1
"re-entry waivers."

i can't believe i didn't think of this one. there are so many directions i could go - my head is spinning - i'm just trying to not get in too much trouble with our 'better half' posters here

cstanton1
"First team to shed all clothing loses the game."

this league is shaping up to be a real money maker

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 27, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

as far as i'm concerned, you don't get any waivers for re-entry. You should just be happy you got in the first time.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 27, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

That was exactly why I tempered my excitement about the rejection of the initial Kovalchuk deal.

When it's all said and done, NJ will still work a loophole contract that gives yet another contender a distinct advantage over the Caps.

Posted by: tmac2yao | August 27, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

"tie downs" would be outlawed
(cstanton1 - don't bother - we know you think semin would fit in quite well in this new league)

a "box score" wouldn't have to means game stats

locker rooms open to all reporters - i'd consider a career change

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 27, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Capt Kirk:

Another you forgot:

What about when you give one of the players an "unconditional release?"

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 27, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

playing the "soft" zone

getting "laid" out

taking a "shot" to the mouth

and then there's always "choking" in the playoffs

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 27, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I think another horse has been beaten into oblivion.

Somewhere in horse heaven, Mister Ed hates us.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 27, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

@Tmac. I am going to wait a bit before talking about if this gives NJ an "advantage". If this new contract is deemed valid NJ will be almost $3 million over the cap with only 21 roster players and using the bonus cushion and $3.7 million over without it which is what they will be wanting since they have to resign Parise after this season. So they are going to have to shed some big contracts (at least Zubrus and another player with a decent size contract). Since teams are going to know that NJ has to make some trades or they will be over the cap they won't be able to get much in return for those players either. They will still have two strong lines the question is what are they going to have on the bottom two lines? Also with they signing are they going to be able to resign Parise next season? If he is gone after this year it is a downgrade. Now if they had to pay Kovy his real value he would not be on the team but I think that could end up making them better. The problem is they have a new arena and need to sell tickets and need a high scoring player to help with that.

Also it looks like Kariya won't be signing with the Ducks or anyone next season. I hope he gets better soon. His comback as a Duck to score after being knocked out in the Cup Finals against NJ gained him my respect.

Posted by: icehammer97 | August 27, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Well, I just sent a perfectly innocent post that got "held." My point was that maybe Kovy really isn't anymore valuable than Backie, and that Backie at 6.7 and Kovy at reported 6.66 maybe isn't such an advantage for NJ.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 27, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

so where excactly is the "5-hole" on a woman's goalie again??!!

Posted by: gratefuldid | August 28, 2010 6:57 AM | Report abuse

cstanton1

"All in all, this is great for the Caps. They'll be forced to engage in some more intense intradivision hockey which can only benefit them if they make it to the playoffs."

Amen brother!

Posted by: jimc93 | August 28, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

so, to summarize this thread, women are sex toys

Posted by: buford_hectorman | August 28, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

@ cstanton

You're right. Better intradivision competition should make us more preped for the playoffs. I really don't want to be in the SE anyway, it permits GMGM to field a wimpy group. I want our GM to worry more about playing the Hartnell Flyers and Boogaard Rangers.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | August 28, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

@tom. You have a great point. Everyone talks about the lower cap hit like they are getting a big discount for signing Kovy but if he wasn't so determined to get the $100 million he turned down from Atlanta, who were willing to do anything to keep a star, he would have signed a contract in the $6.5-$7.5 million range. Look at guys like Gaborik (7.5), Iginla (7), Datsyuk (6.7), and Backstrom (6.7). Looking at those guys the $6.66 cap hit is good but it is not like the Hossa deal who should be around the same range but has a cao hit of $5.275.

Posted by: icehammer97 | August 28, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

icehammer: Honestly, comparing LWs, KOvy is more valuable than Gaborik 7.5 but less valuable than Ovechkin 9.5. So, call him 8.5.

NJ will pay him, apparently (we have to see), $100M for 15 yrs. Excluding I'm guessing the last three years, when he'll be retired, and what I'm guessing they'll put for those years, about $4M, based on Hossa, he'll be paid $96M for 12 years (which is may actual contract guess). That's $8M a year he'll earn then in real money.

So he's not being overpaid. Devils are just getting an advantage of free cap space of almost $2M/yr.

One could say, ratchet-fratchet those Devils! Those cheaters!

BUT, remember, when there's a reward, there's a risk, and those who take a risk should be getting sometimes the reward. The teams awarding these super long, front-loaded contracts are "getting away with it," everyone says. However, you can bet, at least one in five or one in ten of these contracts will turn out to be big losers like maybe the player slacks off, just doesn't perform up to it (Lecavalier), pulls a Nylander (doesn't fit in) or gets a semi-severe injury not bad enough for LTIR till the end of time but bad enough to hurt performance.

So, in a sense, it's not unreasonable to reward the risk-takers, since sometimes they are losers, sometimes then they must be winners.

See there - I've been arguing against the Kovy contract as cheating, but now I can actually type out the "other side of the argument." I'm proud of myself for that. You know, I could've been a lawyer. But I didn't become one. I'm proud of myself for that too.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 28, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

As an example, and it's a different sport, and a different type of contract, but look at the Redskins and Haynesworth. What did he get, $100M for 10 yrs? With $35M so far in upfront money? These NFL teams are doing that too, paying giant bonuses that are spread out over the life of the deal when really they are the front years salaries. Then, when the deal gets near the end, they rework it a bit to soften the cap hit.

Now, look what has happened. The Skins get a new coach (like that's never happened) and he wants to change the system (never happened either, especially not with the local hockey team) and now a centerpiece of the team and the coach are sparring (of course, has never happened).

The Redskins took the risk and right now, if they cut him, they get off the hook cap-wise, I think, this being an uncapped year? But Snyder is out a aircraft carrier full of money. They cut him after this year and I don't know what happens.

All these hockey mega-deals are relatively new so we haven't seen this happen. But it will. And, just like it happened with Nylander, either Hossa or Luongo or Savard or Kovy will become an albatross around the neck of the team (wait, isn't it happening with Savard?).

And it's that way in life, too. People get married. They get divorced to marry someone else. Then they get divorced again.

For those who have done that (I haven't), it costs a fortune to waive them, doesn't it?

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 28, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

the one team i'm not worried about playing in the playoffs is the Devils.

@hunter

yes i'd welcome a reincarnation of the old patrick division. I'd love it if we played the Rangers, Flyers and Penguins 9 times a yr each. That's how you build rivalries and generate some excitement. Then the playoffs don't seem like a huge step up in intensity.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 28, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

hey Tom. As the old saying goes 'Its cheaper to keep her'

Posted by: nimrodrsp | August 28, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Oh how I miss the Patrick Division. I agree that our division getting tougher will be a benefit to the Caps come playoff time. Playing in a tough division may make it harder for a team to make the playoffs, but when you do get there you're more prepared for what it takes to win in the post-season.

cstanton1- If those are the uni's for your Woman's league, put me down for season tickets, also if you're still filling out your officiating crew, I'm available. I've only played the game, never reffed, but I can assure you I would take a real 'hands on' approach to calling the game.

Posted by: FunkyGloveFacewash | August 28, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

every team except Florida wasn't half bad through much of the season. Carolina really picked it up towards the end, and Tampa Bay has a set of talent that makes it a real contender.

I'm still undecided about Atlanta.

Posted by: j762 | August 28, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

...and before anyone jumps me for being a sexist pig, I have dozens of female friends that follow one sport or another and I can't think of one of them that doesn't talk about how hot the players are so save it!

Posted by: FunkyGloveFacewash | August 28, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I just want to see a woman bury the biscuit in her top shelf!

Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 28, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

You know I only read the last several posts and saw that things are way outta hand! LMAO! It did however remind of a story (and I've got a ton of them). I was reffin a game in Nebraska between Omaha & Lincoln in the USHL. It was a very rough game but pretty fast and up and down. So there was a big scrum at the end of the 2nd and I sent some players off to the locker rooms as their penalties exceeded the time remaining in the period. So anyway this guy (loose cannon) comes back to start the 3rd in the box. He doesn't come out of the locker room right away. I'm getting the time keepers etc all ready and getting ready to drop the puck and this guy comes stormin out of the locker room, skates across the ice and takes his position in the box. No problems with that right? Well the problem was he only had on his jock and skates! LMFAO! So is that a penalty? I honestly almost lost it on the ice.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 28, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

@pokerface- Now that's how you let a ref know you don't agree with a call! LOL

Posted by: FunkyGloveFacewash | August 28, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

On this morning Japers' Rink Radio we asked James Mirtle of The Globe and Mail a version of this and he wasn't as high on what is going on in the Southeast.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | August 28, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

O.K., I know tominsocal has already stated we were beating a dead horse on this subject, but since I don't post as often as most, there are usually just skeletal remains when I get on here. In response to Capt_Kirk's list, I have to add-
'Gripping the stick too tight' and 'Getting it in deep'.

Posted by: FunkyGloveFacewash | August 28, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Facewash: Good point there. It's never good when they grip the stick too tight. I know Locker said that sometimes they hold the sticks so tight, they almost turn them to sawdust. That would be a very, very bad thing.

And to add even more to the list, it's always good when one has a "high scoring affair," and conversely bad when one suffers a "shutout."

And I didn't go back to Capt Kirk's original list, but I'm betting he forgot to include "blow the whistle."

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 28, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I'd happily attend games of a women's hockey league. At least then I could be sure that the crowd was free of adolescent neanderthals like many of the people posting comments here.

I mean, really. This is a hockey blog, not a list serve for junior high boys. Grow up.

Posted by: Alexandria8 | August 28, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Alexandria8: Nice post!!!

Posted by: fanohock1 | August 28, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

First of all, Boudreau should welcome competition in the division. The best coach ever in DC, Joe Gibbs, said that he liked it when the NFC East was tough because then the Redskins would be battled tested for the playoffs, assuming they made it. Second of all, there are a lot of up and coming teams, and not just in the Southeast Division. Which is why the Caps need to stop dithering and win something.

Posted by: poguesmahone | August 28, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

@Alexandria8- How could you be sure that the men(and probably some of the women) in the 'crowd' were not there just to ogle the women athletes. Seriously though,I truly don't mean to disparage women, but as I stated before, I know an awful lot of women that watch sports and comment on the male athletes as if they were mere objects, and I don't get offended. I would respectfully suggest that you try to take yourself and life a little less seriously.

Posted by: FunkyGloveFacewash | August 28, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Well, gee willikers, Alexandria8!

Yes, I was a junior high schooler once! Graduated in 1972!

I guess you're telling me I should act my age!

Really, though, some of that stuff was funny. Was it in bad taste? Actually I consider myself one with zero tolerance for any kind of racial or religious comment, whatever, that insults any person in any kind of way. I say, "If anyone was insulted, you shouldn't have said it." Just like, if anyone is insulted by a particular flag being flown, then leave it off the flagpole!

So, before I joined in on the frivolity, I asked myself if we were insulting women or women's hockey or just making light of the particular hockey slang and how it could be perceived.

Way back when, on the other thread, I said I enjoyed some women's sports equally (tennis, skiing, swimming, 100m dash, 4x400 relay, golf) but other sports not so much (bb and hockey). This is not meant to be insulting, but true. In some sports, the size of the rink or the court or whatever are so in tune with the way it works for men's sports that women's just doesn't cut it.

I have a wife and three grown daughters, so anything that would insult them would insult me too. I didn't think I was being insulting. Sophomoric, perhaps, but insulting, no.

I guess my point is, as long as we aren't crossing the line and insulting you, you shouldn't really insult us.

"Adolescent neanderthals?"

C'mon, Alexandria8, is that fair? We were having fun. If we did it at your expense, shame on us. But if not, shame on you.

I guess I will ask the ladies - were the posts insulting or just stupid? If insulting, then I apologize. Really. If they were just stupid, then I ask that you just ignore it if you don't like it or offer rejoinder on where we messed up.

Really, you can read all my posts (if you have a spare month), and I make it a point to see all sides of everything and try to never insult anyone. I have however insulted joek443 once or twice, but God knows I felt he deserved it.

Your Pal in SoCal,
Tom

btw, after a week straight 100-110, it sure was nice today upper 70s.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 28, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

tominsocal1- I meant to reply to your post sooner but got sidetracked by Alexandria8's offensive comments."Blow the whistle", too funny. Sorry Alexandria8, but I just graduated Jr. High in '84, it'll take me some time to mature to the level of this hockey blog.

Posted by: FunkyGloveFacewash | August 28, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Oh lighten up Francis (alex8)! We're having a little fun and taking a reprieve from playing fantasy offseason hockey.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 28, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

fanock and alex get the prudes of the day award

newsflash, guys never grow up. Not the fun ones anyway.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 28, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

I just read that Dale Tallon feels that the GMGM model is the blue print to build a team now in th east. The Pens gutted us in game 7 two years ago, and would have won a second Cup if they kept Gill on the roster. I'm a Caps fan, and don't really understand why everyone is trying to model the Caps. I guess the Ovi highlight reals are that cool. The guys "phoned it in" game 5. This franchise has major hang ups when it comes to the playoffs. I'd model my team after the Wings, Pens, and Hawks. Too many wimps and head cases on the Caps.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | August 29, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Will Capitals ever announce Eric Belangers contract or not? Everyone in main office must be on vacation or something..

Posted by: gavlegirl | August 29, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Will Capitals ever announce Eric Belangers contract or not? Everyone in main office must be on vacation or something..

Posted by: gavlegirl | August 29, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Will Capitals ever announce Eric Belangers contract or not? Everyone in main office must be on vacation or something..

Posted by: gavlegirl | August 29, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Prudes cstanton1: Half the junk said in here over the last couple of days would be grounds for termination or at the very least reprimand.

Posted by: fanohock1 | August 29, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Can we please get an update on Belenger? Does anybody know any details? How does that story just disappear? And what are these rumors I'm hearing about Caps linked to sourey? If true, I think that is stupid because of his 5+ mill contract...and didn't he already pass through waivers?

Posted by: Wagnerchristopher | August 29, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Hunterforcoach - you would want to model your franchise after Chicago? One and done? I think they modeled their franchise after the Marlins. No thanks.

I agree with Wings & Pens. Don't forget NJ though. They have been a contender for a long time. Granted they have fallen off a bit in post sesaon play in the past couple of years but they are always there.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 29, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

who says Chicago is one and done? they haven't had to trade away Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson, Bolland or Sharp. They're not going anywhere.

The Marlins are run by a bunch of crooks who just got exposed for scamming the tax payers of Miami for their new stadium. Chicago is one of the original six. it's apples and oranges comparing those two franchises.

Posted by: joek443 | August 29, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

The Sens team doc Dr Don Chow is in critical condition after being in a motorcycle accident last night.

Lets hope he'll be ok. He is very liked & respected within the Sens organization.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 29, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

also chicago is reportedly sending Huet to a Swiss team for one year and eating his contract... does that sound like something that the Marlins would do?

and they're not including that money in the cap unlike what the Caps are doing with the Nylander money... which team is the one being cheap???

Posted by: joek443 | August 29, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Chicago won't make the playoffs this year.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 29, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

also chicago is reportedly sending Huet to a Swiss team for one year and eating his contract... does that sound like something that the Marlins would do?

and they're not including that money in the cap unlike what the Caps are doing with the Nylander money... which team is the one being cheap???
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No the Marlins didn't/wouldn't do that. We didn't include the Nylander money either. The only thing so far that could be an example of us using Nylander $ as an internal cap number is right now. The year hasn't started yet so if we get within $3M of the cap your argument against the Caps is null & void like the majority of your posts.
Posted by: joek443 | August 29, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 29, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

@pokerface

Joek443 just listed off 7 Hawks that I would take over our top 7. We don't have a defenseman who even comes close to Keith or Seabrook. Toews is a winner and a beast in the playoffs at 21. Yea, I know Ovi and Backy are great. Dig Deal. The rest of the Caps team has no playoff brass b's. Chicago does, and they'll be there again. After 35 years, I'll take one and done for awhile. Heck, I'll take another finals sweep. Let's just play some playoff hockey. Sick of hearing Washington elitist answers from Abe and Ted as to why people can't do their jobs in the playoffs. Sick of Jersey and Philly fans calling us the "Choke-a-tals". Laich's contract demands after watching the Habs series replays are borderline insulting. He needed a puck or two to bounce off his rear end and past Halak. Hell,"The Hall of Famer" Halak isn't even on the Habs roster. Another average NHL goalie "comes up large" on the Caps. Bla,Bla,Bla more play off failure spin from the front office. Did you know GMGM was up for GM of the year???

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | August 29, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

As long as GMGM is apart or the capitals organization the caps willo never win the cup.Prime example;this summer.With the roster they have now will definitly not be one to make a splash in the playoffs.Or in thr season for that matter.The caps have prooved they dont have what it takes as players to win at the playoff level.Just not enouigh heart or will or even experiance in the locker room to do it.And if GMGM hasnt seen that by now,he never will.So as long as he is around or even the people that leave him in charge,dont expect much from the caps.As a lifelong caps fan its just something you got to learn to live with with this team.no matter how heart breakin it is.

Posted by: gratefuldid | August 29, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

this team has never won the Cup in 35 friggin' years, why wouldn't any "fan" of this team take one and done for at least next 10 years???

anyone belonging to the "we wanna ge good for a long time" group and dismissing the notion of going for it all right here right NOW really hasn't suffered enough or isn't a serious fan of this team IMO.

Posted by: joek443 | August 29, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

anyone belonging to the "we wanna ge good for a long time" group and dismissing the notion of going for it all right here right NOW really hasn't suffered enough or isn't a serious fan of this team IMO.

Posted by: joek443 | August 29, 2010 8:14 PM

what a self serving statement. not everyone has the same opinion as you - and it does not make them any less of a fan than you are

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 29, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

@pokerface

Joek443 just listed off 7 Hawks that I would take over our top 7. We don't have a defenseman who even comes close to Keith or Seabrook. Toews is a winner and a beast in the playoffs at 21. Yea, I know Ovi and Backy are great. Dig Deal. The rest of the Caps team has no playoff brass b's. Chicago does, and they'll be there again. After 35 years, I'll take one and done for awhile. Heck, I'll take another finals sweep. Let's just play some playoff hockey. Sick of hearing Washington elitist answers from Abe and Ted as to why people can't do their jobs in the playoffs. Sick of Jersey and Philly fans calling us the "Choke-a-tals".
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Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 29, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

@pokerface

Joek443 just listed off 7 Hawks that I would take over our top 7. We don't have a defenseman who even comes close to Keith or Seabrook. Toews is a winner and a beast in the playoffs at 21. Yea, I know Ovi and Backy are great. Dig Deal. The rest of the Caps team has no playoff brass b's. Chicago does, and they'll be there again. After 35 years, I'll take one and done for awhile. Heck, I'll take another finals sweep. Let's just play some playoff hockey. Sick of hearing Washington elitist answers from Abe and Ted as to why people can't do their jobs in the playoffs. Sick of Jersey and Philly fans calling us the "Choke-a-tals".
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I never heard that name so good creation on your part. I always thought it was crapitals.

Do you really believe all that crap you just typed? They just traded away all that playoff heart & soul. Now what are they? The exact same frickin team we are lots of talent but short in the grit department. Like I said they won't make the playoffs. Talk and justify anything you want but come April the truth will be revealed.

Sure I'd take a 1 and done after the 1 has already been accomplished. The thought is more towards the unknown in would you rather build a squad for 1 big yr (do or die) or would you rather have a team that competes and multiple chances at winning a Cup. Sure if you say you've already won it that's an easy decision.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 29, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

As long as GMGM is apart or the capitals organization the caps willo never win the cup.
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So if we win it this yr then whar are ya gonna say?

Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 29, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

joek443: I don't know why you can't understand trhe concept that other people can disagree with your opinion and be equally right.

For some people the color blue is best; others pick green.

Some want to live in the valley; others, the mountain top.

Some want a Cup and then wouldn't care of the team were ripped up; others not.

As someone said, there's no guarantees. The Hawks took a huge gamble and it paid off; however, they could've just as easily lost the Nashville series and then Vancouver might have won and your line of reasoning would make no sense.

Why for so many people must the world be black and white? Why do so many hold the opinion that you either agree 100% with me or you are an idiot?

I've been following this team for 30 years. I've SUFFERED. You can't ask the question - "Would you take the Cup in exchange for xx years of mediocrity?" because the person being asked the question can't decide the outcome.

Do I want the Caps to got for it 100%? Yes. Does that mean trade Carlson for say Sharp if Chicago offers? No. Why? Because no player guarantees a Cup. And you can't go after the fact and say, "I'll take what Chicago has."

You might as well just quit watching hockey joek443 and watch the Wizard of Oz instead since apparently you believe in ruby slippers and good witches of the north. Have you ever heard - it's not where you're going but the journey that counts? Apparently not. Or, you heard it but dismissed it as hokum. Sorry for you, joek443.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 29, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

@pokerface

I hope we do, or just come close. We just want the players to appear to care as much as us. 35 years is too long. You never heard the "Choke-a-tals" chants at the old Cap center after playoff losses ? The "choke-a-tals" and "Dino" chants were load and clear over the radio when we were losing a 3-1 series lead to Pitt. You've have not been around for the endless heart break from this team. We're the Cubs of the NHL. Yes, I believe everything I post. Us old timers are carrying alot of play offs past bagage. It drives us nuts to see another Caps team, this time more talented, play like Mites in the playoffs.

I wish I could believe in this GM, but I've seen too much playoff hockey over the years.(Mainly Patrick division foes on their way to a Cup.) This years performance in the "game of the year" (Elimination Game #5 at home), convinced me that GMGM and BB will never win a Cup. I saw enough Cup winners waltz through the Cap center. I don't want to hear that post lock-out Cup winners are different. I saw how the Flyers and Wings played those 6 games. We never play that way. (May be for one period, after BB goes nuts in the locker room.) We won't win a Cup until GMGM and BB are gone. I hope I'm wrong ! BB doesn't adjust in the playoffs and doesn't know how to mentor talent like Mike Green.(Mike Green needs an NHL level coach to fix his playoff problems !!) GMGM doesn't know how to filter through the FA's and kid's to pick "Cup winning" players. But, boy we're fun to watch against Atlanta midseason.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | August 29, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal
@joek443

Smogcal, Your rant against Joek is bunk. I don't even know where to start. The Hawks really didn't take that much of a gamble. That nucleus of Toews, Kane, Keath, and Seabrook are winners. They can add grit. I wish we had those four and No Cup. You can build around those guys. How many goals for Backy in elimination games ? I saw what Toews did. He's gonna be a Hall of Famer. He will win more Cups. So will Duncan Keath. They put our guys to shame.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | August 29, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Today I gained a little perspective about negative fans.

The St. Louis Cardinals baseball team has been in a slump as of late so I was reading the comments on Facebook saying stuff like "Stick a fork in the team. They're done." "It's time for a new manager." The Cards have much in common with the Capitals; they wear read; they've regularly been the best team in a weak sister division but this year they have competition and they've been falling further from the top.

For the record, I'm a fan of both the Cardinals and the Nationals in baseball. Both had been playing poorly this month until the recent series. The Nats took 3 out of 4. (The only problem with one's favorite teams playing each other is that one of them's got to lose.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | August 29, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Hunterforcoach: I'm not saying you are wrong, because there's no proven what you are saying either way.

"They put our guys to shame?"

Huntsy, c'mon. Is that the best you can do?

I tell you what - got a spare $1000 lying around? You get one Cup advantage and I bet you Ovechkin, Backstrom and Green get their names on as many Cups as Toews, Kane and pick your other Hawk. You know where I am - I've put my email up here many times.

The Hawks took a giant gamble with Hossa, Huet and Campbell. It paid off - last year. Will they make the Palayoffs this year? Surely. 90% chance in my book. Will they go further than the Caps? I'll lay 5 to 4 that the Caps go further this year. And I'll lay 5 to 4 the caps go further than Chicago, cumulatively (Playoff rounds won), over the next ten years.

Chicago had a very strong bunch last year. Some say they can easily replace the lost grit. Those folks IMO are forgetting that Cup winners are just as much about the magical formula of just the right players as anything else.

Let's see Bowman do it again. 5 to 4 says the Caps do it first.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 29, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

@ Hunterforcoach

exactly right... other than Backstrom and Ovi, there are NO untouchables on this team. The Hawks still have a very good nucleaus. comparing them to the Marlins is just stupid because chicago is not cutting their payroll in half this year which is what the Marlins would do.

I know this is a different sport but I keep going back to the Fred McGriff/Tony Fernandez for Joe Carter/Robbie Alomar trade that enabled the Jays to win two titles the early '90's. that was a two allstars for two allstars trade.

a year ago I would have been dead against this but I would trade Green right now for a real tough SOB number one d-man because that's the kinda change in direction that this team needs.

Posted by: joek443 | August 29, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

I know this is a different sport but I keep going back to the Fred McGriff/Tony Fernandez for Joe Carter/Robbie Alomar trade that enabled the Jays to win two titles the early '90's. that was a two allstars for two allstars trade.

a year ago I would have been dead against this but I would trade Green right now for a real tough SOB number one d-man because that's the kinda change in direction that this team needs.

Posted by: joek443 | August 29, 2010 10:36 PM

First off, joek443, your baseball logic is flawed. You are talking about the Blue Jays, right? OK, they traded a slap hitter (Fernandez) and a player with high avg/obp/slg (McGriff) for a clearly better infielder (even at the time, Alomar) and a player (Carter) with lower avg and obp I think than McGriff and who had not, at that point, proved he would be a big-time, playoff producer.

Carter turned out if memory serves to have hit a WS winning homer. Did SD know that in advance? Did Gillick? Did you?

Did you stop and think that maybe Gillick made the deal because he had Olerud coming up and needed to move McGriff?

I can tell you McGriff was slightly the better player than Carter, but not nearly as much as Alomar was the better player than Tony. Gillick is actually more like McPhee than you will admit. I will bet you if McPhee is offered a deal apparently in Caps favor as much as that deal, he would take it.

You see, you are giving "Stand Pat" Gillick the credit for (finally) making the move that got the Jays the WS title. Me? I blame the Padres for making a stupid trade.

joek443, you are doing the easiest thing on Earth - you are going back and cherry picking an example from somewhere in the past to supposedly prove your point.

"Yes, you must make that 'one big move' to make it happen."

Yes, if the Ravens hadn't signed Sam Adams and Shannon Sharpe...yes, if the Yanks in the 50s hadn't traded every year with KC...yes, if the Lakers hadn't pulled the trigger on the Lew Alcindor deal.

Ever stop and consider maybe that the Bucks were just idiots?

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 29, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

joek443, I've never before wished I were a lawyer, but I wish it now, and I wish you were one too, and it was me vs you in the Supreme Court, millions of dollars at stake, because I'd chew you up, swallow you down, spit you up, and then crush you with my shoe heel in front of the nine Justices.

And then I'd walk away with the money.

joek443, you make the lamest arguments I've ever heard. You basically can't do anything but say, "This is how that happened, so that proved that it was right."

Lame, joek443, lame. More lame than Bill Bucker reaching for a grounder. More lame than Joe Namath trying to run a marathon. More lame than a DC politician trying to convince voters he is honest.

Give it up, joek443. Just give it up and concentrate on NASCAR. Why don't you just tell us that Billy Bob has the guts because he changed his restrictor plate, cuz, after all, he won, didn't he?

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 29, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

LMAO if Mcphee only wants a sure thing then he's in the WRONG bidness... and so are you

like any employee, he'll do what's necessary to keep his job... if Ted just wants him to keep the status quo which even a blind man could see is the direction that this team is headed then that's exactly what GMGM will do.

Posted by: joek443 | August 29, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

as Hemingway once said there are only 3 REAL sports, mountain-climbing, bull-fighting and RACING... and everything else is just a GAME.

you wouldn't know what a restrictor plate was if it hit you on the face... LOL

Posted by: joek443 | August 29, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

OK, joek443, I've asked you before, but how bout you tell us your favroires for 2010-2011 Cup?

You won't. You won't, you won't you won't.

Because you NEVER speculate on what will happen, you only criticize after the fact on why someone did something wrong.

Tell us your favorites. Mine:

Caps, Canucks, Sharks, Pens 10% chance
Bruins, Red Wings, Hawks, Flyers 8% chance
Kings, Devils 6% chance

Rest of the NHL - 16% chance.

C'mon, joek443, put your odds.

But, you won't. You'll say something like, "Nobody cares what are the chances to win."

That's because, joek443, you aren't any fun. You don't think like people who have fun and like to speculate just for the enjoyment. I'm sorry you haven't learned to live life just for the fun of being here. Because, you know, it can be, well, amusing.

The journey, joek443, the journey...learn to enjoy the journey, then get back to me.

I'll still be here.

Having fun.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 29, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

as Hemingway once said there are only 3 REAL sports, mountain-climbing, bull-fighting and RACING... and everything else is just a GAME.

you wouldn't know what a restrictor plate was if it hit you on the face... LOL

Posted by: joek443 | August 29, 2010 11:28 PM

Quote me your source. I've read everything Hemingway ever published and I don't remember this line. Quote me sourse so I can eat my words. There is no way Ernest would have left hunting off his list...or fishing...because those were two of his favorite SPORTS.

I undertand you probably know about bull fighting joek443 because you are full of more bull than likely any human on the face of this planet.

Rather than agonize over the hungry, Obama should just do like Jesus did when he fed the multitudes and use joek443's bull to feed the nation.

Tell me more, joek443, for my amusement.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 29, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Tom why to we waste our time with this fool? He has got to state the most baseless, inaccurate & idiotic comments I've ever seen.

Did you see what he did with my point in the Marlins? There were 3 teams there but he picked the Marlins then turned the story away from my point. No wonder he loves Nyls & NASCAR, all they do is go in circles!

Joke - why do you continue to try? I must hand you one thing, I've never seen Tom "go off" on somebody due to their innaccurate & baseless comments but he's blown you up for about a week now at least. You see Tom strikes me as one that it takes a ton to get under his skin but once you're there you wish you weren't.

The funny thing is Tom & I have asked you to answer 1 specific question. Very basic very simple & you dodge it. In the words of Jack Nicholson "You can't handle the truth"! All you want to do is spread negative BS with absolutely no substance at all!

Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 29, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

"and everything else is just a GAME."

Posted by: joek443 | August 29, 2010 11:28 PM

this is exactly right - it is just a game.
a game that others play for your entertainment. a game should never be the core of your being.
lighten up and try enjoying life before it completely passes you by - quicker than you think you'll realize you've spent almost your entire life being a miserable fart.
i'll much prefer looking back and reflecting on how i was a happy fart.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 29, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

You never heard the "Choke-a-tals" chants at the old Cap center after playoff losses ? The "choke-a-tals" and "Dino" chants were load and clear over the radio when we were losing a 3-1 series lead to Pitt. You've have not been around for the endless heart break from this team.
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Well I've only followed the team since it's inception and actually had season tickets to the Capital Center 4 rows off the ice right behind the net we shoot at twice. Moved to Colorado in 96 and still held partial plans for several years after that.

So yes I have been a fan for quite a while but I don't remember a chant of "chok a tals". I've walked out of that arena broken many a time and even the phone booth a couple times in 98. Any of us who have followed this team that long have suffered greatly. We aren't like a Colorado who gets a team and wins the Cup right off the bat. Even with all that pain and our history our present and our future has never been this good. Never! People just sound like they're intellectually challenged when they make comments like GMGM will never win a Cup. It could very well come true but not because he's an idiot.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 30, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: jakopz | August 30, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

http://www.theknese.com/pages/Hemingway.php

Posted by: jakopz | August 30, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse
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LMFAO! Once again JOKE, you're proven wrong and your comments are 100% false! LMMFAO! Your nickname couldn't fit better JOKE! Best nickname on the blog.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 30, 2010 12:05 AM | Report abuse

@tominsocal

I hope you're right. I've got a horrible taste in my mouth after the Habs series was run a second time on the NHL network. We should have won the series. All the Habs were doing was blocking perimeter shots. Like they knew all the shots would be perimeter shots. Semin, Green, Laich, and Fehr needed to score to turn those games. Even Ovi and Bachy were playing like it was in the bag. Really depressing to watch. Mike Green commenting on the need to play "short series" to go deep in the playoffs was even more depressing.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | August 30, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Tom

You need to stop trying to have an intelligent conversation with Joke. You can't speak intelligently with an idiot and if you keep trying you end up down at his level. When you try to argue with an idiot you have to get down to his level and he will beat you with experience every time and then you end up looking like an idiot just like him.

As far as my odds: SJ, RW, Caps, Pens each at 12% chance

Van, Chi, NJ, 10%

the field 20%

Edm, Tor, Dal, Isles, no chance

Posted by: fromthebeginning | August 30, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

pokerface/capt kirk:

Actually, joek443 hasn't even nearly gotten under my skin. NO F-N WAY!

Someone posted some kind of racial comment a few weeks back - THAT got under my skin. Then alexandria8 said we were acting like juveniles...and I wondered if we had inadvertently and inappropriately gotten under hers. But...

joek443, really, do you read what he writes? He reminds me of people who mimic the words of Rush Limbaugh or Rachel Maddow in defending their ideology. No thought - just mimic. His ideas are abjectively simple. And then, to top it off, and this is hilarious, he quotes Hemingway. Now, I can see how someone like joek443 can be misled by a one-sided opinion of a person like Hemingway who was, truly, multi-faceted. But joek443 homes in on some quote about racing!

Now, I have followed Hemingway's career...not to bore you all, but born in Oak Park IL in 1899 and got a job in a KC newspaper at a very early age and then went into WWI as an ambulance driver in 1917. Got injured, severely, met a nurse while recuperating, laid the foundation in his experience for "A Farewell to Arms," recovered, went back to Europe (so he could drink), published his first story "Up in Michigan" in 1925, wrote "The Sun Also Rises," became eminently famous along with F Scott, Gertrude Stein, others, as ex-pats, published "Farewell" in 1929, and on we could go.

Never once was there any reference to racing. For godsake, Ernest was never in the US long enough to get into racing...in Key West in the early 30s, Spain and Africa in the late 30s, Italy, Cuba after the war ("The Old Man and the Sea," 1952) and then moving to Idaho when Fidel stole his land and pulling the trigger in 1961.

When in God's name did he stop by Daytona to watch a race?

Answer: Never.

Maybe now joek443 you want to debate me on Faulkner. Or Fitzgerald. Or Cormac McCarthy. Or Isaac Asimov.

Take me on, joek443.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 30, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

jakopz: Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

I have read ever story, every novel, every letter, every postit-note ever puplished by Ernest and nary a once was there ever a reference that he attended, saw on tv, read about in the papers, conversed over drinks with friends, or even knew that AUTO RACING even existed.

Fishing...different story. By God, he'd wade in water 33 degrees in Montana to catch trout. Hunting...he'd drink three times more than even I can and then hit a buff at 300 yds ("The Green Hills of Africa", the bullet smacking as it enter the animal). Bull-fighting...ha! He only watched!

And just what sport was Ernest best at?

Being himself. It was that simple. I have read a lot and, really, quit reading some years ago, mostly because they can't do it anymore like Scott and Ernest and Faulkner, because those guys went inside your head and put the story into you, but all the cats today like Tom Clancy try to put you into the story.

This is kinda way off topic. Sue me.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 30, 2010 12:39 AM | Report abuse

@pokerface

My Flyers fans friends from grad school use the Choke-a-tals comment all the time. The Pens fans were chanting it in Pitt when we blew that lead. It was clear over the radio. Ron Weber even mentioned it.I know GMGM is a smart guy, so is BB. The problem with GMGM is that he won't bring players into the organization who played like him. Laich and Knuble needed to set up camp in front of Halak. Some forward needed to redirect a shot at a crucial moment.Play off hockey is ugly. The Flyers dismantled the guy quickly. It's weird. The Caps players, coach and GM don't seem to get it. That's why I don't think this group will win it. This is the third year of everyone thinking the boys underperformed. How long does this go on ? Eventually you start losing players to the cap. Eventually it almost becomes a curse, and everyone turns into Mike Green(Psyched out).

BB is too loyal. Steckel, Flush, Green, Laich (the Hershey boys) are playoff nonperformers. BB needed to find a way for Halak to not see the puck.(Remember Hasek not seeing pucks in 98 ?) Flush should have been benched much earlier.

The "limo incident" team was closer to a Cup than this group. Scott Stevens would have won a Cup here. No doubt in my mind.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | August 30, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Huntsy: I have put my percentages several times for the 6 reason the caps lost to the Habs.

#1 25% BB failed to adapt to Habs strategy of clogging the slot.

I even referenced the Bears and how they were losing in their series similar strategy and how they changed on the fly and won.

It's a really tough call. Caps had/have more talent than Habs. Did Caps lose because players didn't listen to BB or because BB failed to coach them?

Either way, my book, BB gets the blame.

I have read mucho criticism for McPhee here and we can agree it is "somewhat justified." BB OTOH gets great credit for bringing Caps up...but, is he the answer to take them like Moses to the promised land?

My confidence in McPhee at this point is higher than my confidence in BB.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 30, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Well, that's it tonight for me.

Time to close up shop on the West Coast when it was finally high in the 70s today.

Meanwhile, no response from joek443. He's probably reading F. Scott Fitzgerald ("The Great Gretzky") or William Faulkner ("The Goals and the Fury").

joek443: While it might be true that I wouldn't recognize a restrictor plate hitting my face, it is certainly apparent that you wouldn't recognize the truth hitting yours.

Here's hoping joek443 that you have a much better day tomorrow than you had today. Because, joek443, for you, today $ucked.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 30, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Here's hoping joek443 that you have a much better day tomorrow than you had today. Because, joek443, for you, today $ucked.
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LMAO! Oh my! Well today has been great for me just like every other day in my life. See that's the difference between us and Joke. We have mostly very good days with a few bad ones mixed in but Joke has such a miserable life he can't even tell his dog something good. He's that customer service rep you call on the phone that you feel like you're bothering when you call. They hate their job. They hate their life and everything around it. Trust me he'll be the on in the summer after we win the Cup that will say it's luck and complain about the parade starting time, route and duration.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 30, 2010 2:16 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for all the great posts, Tom. You make insomnia somewhat bearable. Loved the Fitzgerald book titles!

Posted by: dccitizen1 | August 30, 2010 4:19 AM | Report abuse

Fitzgerald/Faulkner titles, I mean

Posted by: dccitizen1 | August 30, 2010 4:20 AM | Report abuse

This Hemingway guy...is he a stay at home defenseman?

Posted by: kcbrichmond | August 30, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

So it's Monday, we need something fun to talk about today. Anyone heard anything good, interesting rumors, care to start some of our own...anything?

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | August 30, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Could the Caps be trying to trade Flash and Poti to Edmonton for Souray and Andrew Cogliano?

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Richard-Cloutier/Sammy-Signs-and-Notes-for-a-New-Week/131/29953

Posted by: MReilly9 | August 30, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Hmm, and I'm thinking the Bieksa trade rumors have been silenced for a reason. My bet is that one fell through.

Not sure I like the Souray cap hit, and of our current D on the roster, not sure I want to toss in Poti for that (cause that means Erskine or Sloan still get the nod). The point is to improve our D by keeping those not in our top 6/7.

It also sounds like that the Oilers are going to send Souray down to the minors so that there wont be any team issues come camp time. In other words, no Oilers jersey for him no matter what. This means the Caps should have the edge when it comes to dealing. Flash, Erskine, Sloan for Souray...sounds a lot better to me.

And isnt there something about re-entry waivers that make them split the cap hit? I think this means he is up for grabs like the normal waiver process, and doesnt assure the Caps they would get him...so not sure how this could be worked in trade discussions. Something like, get him in re-entry waivers and we will trade you Flash for some fluffy towels, if someone else gets him...we laugh at you.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | August 30, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Cloutier has no facts - he's just wonderin'

I say it's all hogwash

Posted by: jeets | August 30, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Joek443 just listed off 7 Hawks that I would take over our top 7. We don't have a defenseman who even comes close to Keith or Seabrook.
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Keith relies a lot on Seabrook. We haven't had a Seabrook type on our team since Tinordi. But I don't think Duncan Keith is the bees knees by any stretch.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Cloutier is just wonderin' - no facts

it's all hogwash

Posted by: jeets | August 30, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

sorry for the 2nd post - I got an error message on the first one saying I have made too many comments recently...Imagine that!

Posted by: jeets | August 30, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

So it's Monday, we need something fun to talk about today. Anyone heard anything good, interesting rumors, care to start some of our own...anything?

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | August 30, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

i'd like an update from Poker regarding the trade rumor for a dman he was puttin out there last week. Has that deal been killed? Still in the works? Can we get a hint as to who the player was/is? I'd settle for which conference he currently plays in :)

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

We aren't like a Colorado who gets a team and wins the Cup right off the bat. Even with all that pain and our history our present and our future has never been this good. Never! People just sound like they're intellectually challenged when they make comments like GMGM will never win a Cup. It could very well come true but not because he's an idiot.

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I'll say it again. Not one time have I ever looked at a McPhee-run team (minus '98 for various reasons) and thought that the team had what it took to make a long playoff run. I don't care how many reg season wins they ripped off in a row. They didn't "look" like a strong playoff contender. If we start changing in some key areas for the better I'll amend my opinion but for now I have little faith that under McPhee this team will make a long playoff run. His comments, his moves at the deadline, none of it gives me much hope that he knows how to take this team to the next level. And its really not about patience for me. I can be patient if I have faith in the leadership. I can wait another 3 yrs or so if I know its just a process of getting there. But its a lot of one step forward one step backwards.

and no more of the insane "we had one bad week last year". That level of excuse-making is mindboggling. One bad week of playoff hockey doesn't equate to one bad week of reg season hockey. Totally different animals.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

I couldn't agree more w/your sentiments regarding McPhee....I think it's a shame he didn't go after Aaron Asham (Pittsburgh got him dirt-cheap)...it's nice to have DJ King on the roster but who picks up where he leaves off?? It's going to bother me to no end when the Penguins, amongst other teams, take liberties when King is in the penalty box or otherwise scratched.

Posted by: vermontcaps | August 30, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

pulling in a DJK is a very small piece of the puzzle. When you're building a team tough concept, you start with the "regular" players and then move outward to the fringe players. The guys who are on the ice for more shifts will influence your toughness a lot more than the guys who are healthy scratches or who take minimal shifts per game. DJ is a nice addition, but a minor one unless he somehow starts pulling down quality minutes (10 shifts per game) AND he is ALLOWED to play his game without threat of being benched. Reining in a player like King is akin to castrating a bull. You don't want him playing tentatively. Just occasional words of advice/caution should be enough to keep him in check so he doesn't take too many aggressive penalties.

And yeah, Asham would've been a nice pickup because he'd automatically see more ice time, he's got more experience in different situations, and frankly he's got more respect from the referees who usually give a veteran like Asham a little more leeway than a young player like King whose role as a tough guy is more defined.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Gawd--when I read these threads it's so depressing. For too many of you the proverbial glass is not only empty but broken thrown in despair.

Tominsocal1 is right about the Hawks. They took a huge gamble with their cap, and despite the talented core remaining intact, the team is in more of a rebuilding mode now.

Was the gamble worth it? Given that they won, h*ll yes.

But what if the Hawks had lost? What would the fans be saying instead? What would so many of you be saying?

That series was not a given. The Flyers played some of their best hockey and used their greater experience to outplay the Hawks many times throughout the series. The more talented team won. But it was no guarantee.

The Stanley Cup is hard to win. There is no one way to build a Stanley Cup winning team nor any single player that ensures winning the Cup.

There are no guarantees AT ALL for winning the Cup. Period.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | August 30, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

the pens have an obvious bent towards adding more grit to their team every yr. The Caps have a different philosophy when it comes to balancing their skill requirements. We added Knuble (regular player) who adds some grit so that was good. And we added a King whose role and ice time is to be yet determined.
The Pens otoh have added guys like Cooke, Rupp, Adams, McKee, Michalek and now Asham. And they're already the most prolific hitting team in hockey in recent yrs. So that should clearly illustrate the differences between both organizations with regards to their philosophies.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Cstanton - as far as my contacts go here's what I've been told "things are kinda quiet but the framework is there". Knowing this person like I do that means that it could be completed in 1 phone call or it could die as well. It's really not a lot of info but it's what I can pass on anyway. Yes the player(s) are coming from the Western Conf.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 30, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I'll say it again. Not one time have I ever looked at a McPhee-run team (minus '98 for various reasons) and thought that the team had what it took to make a long playoff run. I don't care how many reg season wins they ripped off in a row. They didn't "look" like a strong playoff contender. If we start changing in some key areas for the better I'll amend my opinion but for now I have little faith that under McPhee this team will make a long playoff run. His comments, his moves at the deadline, none of it gives me much hope that he knows how to take this team to the next level. And its really not about patience for me. I can be patient if I have faith in the leadership. I can wait another 3 yrs or so if I know its just a process of getting there. But its a lot of one step forward one step backwards.

and no more of the insane "we had one bad week last year". That level of excuse-making is mindboggling. One bad week of playoff hockey doesn't equate to one bad week of reg season hockey. Totally different animals.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse
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I hear ya & I'm not saying that your statements are inaccurate. However I look at moves that GMGM has made & I think he realizes he needs more grit. That's why he went & got Knuble. That was a help so he needed more so he got Chimmer. Wanted a bit more so he got Walker. As it turns out he may have needed more than he got at the deadline last yr so he got DJK. Everything I'm hearing and everything that is public is that he's looking to address the D situation.

So my position is I think he'll put it together this year. If he doesn't then I think he deserves all the criticism lobbed his way. It's harder to find the talent than the grit when you're drafting. He's got the talent now and it's NHL not AHL talent. Now it's time to put the whole thing together and get the hard working gritty bang em up type of guys and I think he's very much already started in that direction and will continue to move in that direction.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 30, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I do find it very interesting that Belanger has been signed for over two weeks now and the Caps have yet to release anything about it.

I'm assuming he is signed because there has been no talk of him signing elsewhere in the past few weeks and if he didn't have a signed contract I don't think he would wait this long without negotiating with other teams.

The whole situation seems odd which makes me wonder if there is something more to it.

Could there possibly be an agreement to trade for Bryce Salvador once Kovy signs with the Devils and it is approved by the NHL? The timing would make more sense if that happened.

The fact that they haven't announced anything about Belanger leads one to believe something is up because it wouldn't make much sense to delay the announcement of the signing this long if no other moves are going to be made.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 30, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

There are no guarantees AT ALL for winning the Cup. Period.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | August 30, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

but there are guarantees on how NOT to win the Cup. And so far, my disdain for McPhee is based on those assumptions. You cannot win the Cup if you ignore certain ingredients that relate to systems, personnel, philosophy. If you play the odds, you will find overwhelming common components in the Cup winners. Such as a dedication to finishing checks, a dedication to playing team defense, a dedication to ramping up the effort to an acceptable playoff level, etc.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

None of this will matter, b/c even though he's been asked nicely to not say/write anything about the Caps or Ice Hockey Mike Wise will probably open his yap and say something about the Caps or he'll write a column about the Caps and end up putting a jinx on the season again.

Posted by: 50Eagle | August 30, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

and moreover, we seem to sit here and agree that we need a better defense (most of us anyway). But my perception of Bruce/GM is that they do whatever they can to deflect that type of criticism. The first thing McPhee says after the loss to the Habs is, "it wasn't our defense that was an issue, it was our PP". Its like neither of them want to admit that our defense has holes in it. Whether they consider it an attack on their competence, or whether they want to hide from that issue so they don't have to adjust their high-octane vision...they're always bristling at the suggestion that the Caps defense needs any type of significant adjustment. Which tells me even moreso, they don't really get it.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Unless Mike Wise was writing his column since 1974, he can't be the reason for a "jinx".

Here we go again with another week of "the Belanger announcement" might mean this... Perhaps it just means that GMGM can't close a deal for a defenseman.

Posted by: kcbrichmond | August 30, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

cstanton: Technically, the PP can be considered the most compelling reason why the Caps lost to Montreal.

1 for 34. At anything close to normal rate, Caps win series.

The underlying question is did it fail due to players, the coaching (not adapting like Hershey did) or Halak. Answer: all three, to varying degrees.

Your point I believe is even if we win vs Mont, we stood very little chance to advance much further.

I would agree with last year's D, coupled with no #2 center, very little chance that we could have beaten three more teams.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 30, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Your point I believe is even if we win vs Mont, we stood very little chance to advance much further
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that is exactly my point Tom. To focus on the PP as a reason for the loss, and therefore hint that other parts of the team don't need a significant looksee is evidence that the brain trust doesn't understand what it takes to make a deep playoff run. Forget the actual Cup, I agree with those that say you can't guarantee a Cup. All I want is a legitimate shot at it. And nothing I've seen from a McPhee team so far gives me faith they have one on paper or in reality.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I think BB and the coaching staff truly believed that if the Caps kept firing away at Halak, that sooner or later they would start going in. I guess considering the points put up in the regular season, it can be viewed as understandable. However, during a playoff series, things such as momentum, team confidence, and the short time frame (needing 4 games to win) don't leave a lot of room for correction. You don't have to panic, but you do have to change the way you're doing things or you'll find your team shaking hands after being eliminated. I think BB thought the Montreal series was just going to simply work out for the Caps. This was a major strategy error on his part. I still like him, but his playoff style is concerning to say the least... Also his belief that the "hot" goaltender was the sole reason for defeat, shows a possible inability to review his own coaching flaws.

Posted by: kcbrichmond | August 30, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Technically, the PP can be considered the most compelling reason why the Caps lost to Montreal.
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and maybe not so technically, i can say if the Caps forwards finished 10 more checks in the offensive end of the ice each game, that would put more pressure on the Habs D and lead to a few more goals over the series. Or if Flash had been replaced by a forward willing to grind it out more, we would've had our 2nd line operating more efficiently. Or if McPhee had done things differently at the deadline, he could have supplied this team with just enough to get past Montreal.

That's why I don't buy the power play argument. It didn't operate in the manner it did in the reg season because the playoffs are a different beast altogether. The PP is simply just a symptom of the team overall. They play a style suited more appropriately for reg season type of hockey and they can't or won't adjust to playoff hockey.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

kcbrichmond:
i agree with your assessment about a playoff series. there is so little time to let the kinks 'work themselves out' during the playoffs. with enough time i believe they would have solved halak - but that time just does not exist. even if you need to take a penalty or two - i think they should have gotten right on top of halak physically - not run him, but let him know he wasn't on the ice alone. the caps 'style' allowed halak to look as good as he did.

during the season you can afford to 'wait' it out. BB knows what will work with his players - but he needs to grow a pair and get out of his comfort zone when its do or die. (i'm not trying to bash BB - as i'm still impressed with what he's done with the team since he got behind the bench)

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 30, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Also his belief that the "hot" goaltender was the sole reason for defeat, shows a possible inability to review his own coaching flaws.
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his pride gets in his own way. He was overly sensitive to Umberger's comments as evidenced by his snide retort. And he seems determined to prove that his system works at any cost. The hot goalie offers up a great and convenient way to explain away basic systemic issues.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Symptom?

Yes, that's a good way to put it. I'm still optimistic obviously that we can overtake a few clubs this year. A perfect example of the symptom and seeking a cure would be to move Flash in a deal that could end up with an upgrade on the blueline, paid for by promoting say Fehr to #2 line and bringing up a banger from Hershey, AGordon, Beagle or Pinner, to fill the roster spot at forward. We'd lose a few regular season goals scored, but I think it's clear that isn't the issue.

It really isn't that difficult to tweak the team. The upper end talent is all there, and that's the thing you can't grow on trees. Getting some toughness is far easier, as we just saw that Asham was there for anyone with $700K.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 30, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Symptom?

Yes, that's a good way to put it. I'm still optimistic obviously that we can overtake a few clubs this year. A perfect example of the symptom and seeking a cure would be to move Flash in a deal that could end up with an upgrade on the blueline, paid for by promoting say Fehr to #2 line and bringing up a banger from Hershey, AGordon, Beagle or Pinner, to fill the roster spot at forward. We'd lose a few regular season goals scored, but I think it's clear that isn't the issue.

It really isn't that difficult to tweak the team. The upper end talent is all there, and that's the thing you can't grow on trees. Getting some toughness is far easier, as we just saw that Asham was there for anyone with $700K.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 30, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

(i'm not trying to bash BB - as i'm still impressed with what he's done with the team since he got behind the bench)
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his ability to create an offensively-oriented style that works (at least in the reg season) is definitely impressive. He took what he had to work with and he was able to get players to produce offensively. No one can argue that. He also probably saved McPhee's job or bought him a few more yrs after the Cassidy/Hanlon experiments.

But that doesn't equate to a Cup contender. The Caps are the Senators under Jacques Martin. Immensely talented, and classic underachievers despite winning a ton of reg season hockey games. They were a team with a very Euro mentality who kept losing to "lesser" teams in the playoffs. 8 straight playoff appearances under Martin, of which 5 ended up as 1st round losses.

So despite winning many reg season games, they made a change to replace Martin with Bryan Murray at coach and added the right components and adjusted their style to get that team to the next level. They made the Cup Finals within 2 yrs of Murray taking the reins. Adding a Volchenkov to that lineup was a key but so was changing Jacques Martin's conservative forecheck style and getting an aggressive physical forecheck going. Martin unlike Bruce coaches more "defensive" hockey but its not physical defensive hockey. Its very passive "safe" hockey that doesn't work in the playoffs. You can't start defending your own end in the neutral zone despite what some fans think Jacques Lemaire's system was. They called his the neutral zone trap but the initial contact always occurred deep in the offensive zone to slow down the other team. The choking up in the neutral zone was the 2nd line of defense, not the 1st.

If the Caps stay the current course and preach patience, they too may end up with 8 straight playoff appearances with only occasional forays into the 2nd round. And once they lose that window of opportunity, it'll be yet another 5-7 yr rebuild operation.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

What do you think about Travis Zajac as a second line center? Apparently he's on the trading block...

Depends on the return, but I think it's worth looking into.

Posted by: vwjettacup6 | August 30, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

It really isn't that difficult to tweak the team. The upper end talent is all there, and that's the thing you can't grow on trees. Getting some toughness is far easier, as we just saw that Asham was there for anyone with $700K.
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the fact that it isn't that difficult to add the remaining pieces is ultimately the most frustrating aspect of GM's mgmt style. And remember, its a two piece process. Adding the right players or supporting players is one piece. And that is contingent upon McPhee recognizing this need first (which I don't think he has). And then of course completing the deals. Which for the Caps perceive as complex as building a building a substation on Jupiter.

The 2nd part of it is Bruce utilizing his players correctly and adjusting his scheme accordingly.

can you begin to understand my pessimism now? :)

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

"They were a team with a very Euro mentality"

What is that supposed to mean?

Posted by: sgm3 | August 30, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

can you begin to understand my pessimism now? :)

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 3:22 PM

i can understand it - i just don't subscribe to it. viewing things i have no control over as a negative, for me, is a waste of my time and energy. you can call me a dreamer (with rose colored glasses) - but the caps are not the center of my life - and i'm not assuming it is for anyone else. they provide entertainment and disappointments like most things i enjoy and even like some things i outright cherish

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 30, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

What do you think about Travis Zajac as a second line center? Apparently he's on the trading block...

Depends on the return, but I think it's worth looking into.

Posted by: vwjettacup6

What's his cap hit, what would it cost us? But I think it would def be something to look into. Assuming we ever get the announcement on Belanger, we would then have a decent middle 1-4 lines. Backs, Zajac, Belanger, Steckle/Gordon. But if there is a Souray deal going down, that will eat a lot/all of our free cap room, ergo we would have to trade something. Unfortunately, we can only trade Flash once. :P

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | August 30, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

i can understand it - i just don't subscribe to it. viewing things i have no control over as a negative, for me, is a waste of my time and energy. you can call me a dreamer (with rose colored glasses) - but the caps are not the center of my life
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ummm..i was referring to my pessimism relating to the Caps only. Not related to my life. sheesh

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

"They were a team with a very Euro mentality"

What is that supposed to mean?
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i'll put it in terms you may understand.
It means they preferred to play with dolls instead of gi joes.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Well the team that played the most european style in the NHL over the past 15 years were the Detroit Red Wings. They fared okay. The Toronto Maple Leafs played a very North American style last year, how did that turn out?

All I'm saying it is very clear that there is more than one way to win a Stanley Cup. It just comes down to talent, execution, and good fotune.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 30, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

ummm..i was referring to my pessimism relating to the Caps only. Not related to my life. sheesh

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 3:53 PM

i tried to put in the disclaimer "and i'm not assuming it is for anyone else"

sorry - i didn't mean to imply they were you life - but you do seem to be very passionate when it comes to how the caps can improve.

otoh - it would appear that, for some, the universe revolves around the caps

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 30, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Well the team that played the most european style in the NHL over the past 15 years were the Detroit Red Wings. They fared okay. The Toronto Maple Leafs played a very North American style last year, how did that turn out?
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Franzen and Holmstrom are not your typical Euros... they're gritter than any North American players I see.

Posted by: joek443 | August 30, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

also I don't buy the notion that they've played the Euro style for the last 15 years considering who their coaches have been.

Posted by: joek443 | August 30, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Well the team that played the most european style in the NHL over the past 15 years were the Detroit Red Wings. They fared okay. The Toronto Maple Leafs played a very North American style last year, how did that turn out
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an org over the past 15 yrs who employed the likes of McCarty, Holmstrom, Franzen, Draper, Maltby, Vlad, Brad Stuart, Ward, Chelios, Kronwall, Shanahan, Helm, Bertuzzi, etc don't exactly embody what I call a "euro style" of hockey. Obviously you didn't watch the Senators of the late 90s play to understand how soft they really were. Having creative Europeans on your team like the Wings have with Fedorov, Zett, Datsyuk, Lidstrom etc doesn't make you a prototypical Euro team. Even the latest incarnation of Det that played and beat Pittsburgh had no issues finishing 50+ checks in the Cup finals in a single game, rolling 4 lines that could grind it out, getting down and dirty in front of the opposing net, or having defensemen who could lay huge open ice hits.

Even a kid like Datsyuk plays with a sufficient edge to his game. Very underrated hitter.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Darren Helm is an example of a player that would easily be an upgrade with his tenacity over the shlubs like BGordon we've been umbilically tied to over the past several yrs. Only on the Caps do players on the 3rd and 4th lines show no interest in playing ballz out hockey. Our role players svck compared to the guys who occupy the 3rd and 4th lines on other teams. Bradley is our only consistent in-your-face player and even he's pretty moderate in that regard.

the Sens under Martin didn't play with the same urgency and tenacity that the Wings have been playing with over the past decade and a half. Ergo, their "Euro" style failed em.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

The southeast may be better, but I wont be rushing to keep those season tickets over Philly, Pitts, and NJ.

Posted by: stork95 | August 30, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

btw, yet another astute solid signing by a team not named the Caps. Rags signed Tim Kennedy today. Young, smart, hardworking, energetic role player with an offensive upside. What's not to like (besides the fact the Caps drafted and dumped him immediately). He doesn't have a big name attached to him but this kid is the right type of free agent you want to add to your team. And his tenacity more than makes up for his lack of size. A $550k, quite a nice bargain because he'll just continue to get better. Best thing about him is he's quick, has decent hands with the puck and he's not afraid of contact. And how ironic that he's the only player we drafted out of the 2005 class that has made the nhl. With another team of course.

--GM Glen Sather announced today that the Rangers have agreed to terms with free agent forward Tim Kennedy.

Kennedy, 24, skated in 78 games with Buffalo in 2009-10, registering 10 goals and 16 assists for 26 points, along with 50 penalty minutes.


Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

It's funny because the Sabres are paying Kennedy $333,333 to not play for them. So Reiger and Linday Ruff don't think very highly of him.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 30, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

The Toronto Maple Leafs played a very North American style last year, how did that turn out?
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lol, so in what amounts to their 2nd year of their massive rebuild, you want to use their style of hockey to prove it doesn't work? Boy do you like to paint things to suit your own argument. If anyone criticized McPhee in his first yr or two of his rebuild you'd have a hissy fit. Brian Burke's style of hockey got his team a Cup 3 yrs ago. And your reply is?

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

It's funny because the Sabres are paying Kennedy $333,333 to not play for them. So Reiger and Linday Ruff don't think very highly of him.
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you don't even know who tim kennedy is, do you. admit it. He's just a name. They walked away from an arbitration hearing. They offered him like 700 or 800k and he got awarded 1 million.

here's something to read up sgm, it may clue you in as to why the Sabres walked away.

"There is no room for retribution. There is no room for being vindictive," Regier said. "That's on one side. On the other side, it's a tough business sometimes. It impacts young men. This organization cares about him. I will do everything I can to get him a job, find him a job, and quite frankly he's going to be fine because he's a good player."

--OK, then why not keep Kennedy and avoid yet another public-relations disaster?--

Apparently, the $1 million award for Kennedy was too high for a team that Regier said already was over budget. He said he informed Kennedy that there could be repercussions from arbitration.

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/columns/bucky-gleason/article92102.ece

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

in sgm's world, any player signed by another team not named the Caps is obviously bad for some reason. Even if he's never seen em play.
If we'd signed Kennedy, SGM would provide a computer-generated argument of how Kennedy was the best bargain of the FA market and how he'd project to be a 20 goal scorer just hitting his prime.

And for once, he'd be right. Even though his reasoning as usual would be flawed.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

ding!
round 45573 starts between the tireless cstanton1 and sgm3
cstanton1 gets in two quick jabs that snaps sgm3's head back. i'm not sure we'll see a coherent answer to cstanton1 on this one.
it looks to be another bloody round folks - but i just see either of these fierce competitors throwing in the towel anytime soon.
ding, ding, ding, ding - round over
60 seconds and we'll be right back to the action.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 30, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

just don't see

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 30, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

awrite, you got me to chuckle. Laughter! Does anyone remember laughter?!

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

The Toronto Maple Leafs played a very North American style last year, how did that turn out?
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lol, so in what amounts to their 2nd year of their massive rebuild, you want to use their style of hockey to prove it doesn't work? Boy do you like to paint things to suit your own argument. If anyone criticized McPhee in his first yr or two of his rebuild you'd have a hissy fit. Brian Burke's style of hockey got his team a Cup 3 yrs ago. And your reply is?

Posted by: cstanton1

@cstanton1

My reply is to read my entire post. This was my comment immediately following the one you quoted. It couldn't be a more vanilla statement.

"All I'm saying it is very clear that there is more than one way to win a Stanley Cup. It just comes down to talent, execution, and good fotune."

On Kennedy. He is a replaceable 4th line player. It is fine that he is on a team but substituting him for another player makes little to no difference. The Sabres could have had him for $850k and chose not too. This is about as inconsequential of a signing there can be. However, you make it sound like the Rangers just signed a difference maker and you somehow, someway found a way to rip GMGM for not making this signing. Seriously?

Have a good day.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 30, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

On Kennedy. He is a replaceable 4th line player
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a replaceable 4th line player? He's not a 4th line player at all. He played mostly on Buffalo's 3rd line. Next time you research a player you've never seen nor heard of before, I advise you to dig a little deeper.
Tim Kennedy will certainly get more ice time next yr than will DJ King who more closely fits your description of a "replaceable 4th liner player". I'd tell you to have a good day in return but judging from your weak arguments today it sounds like you're already hip-deep in your meds so you must be on your way to a good day already.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

"All I'm saying it is very clear that there is more than one way to win a Stanley Cup. It just comes down to talent, execution, and good fotune."
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and to think i get to read this level of insight for free. I am a lucky man.

Frankly, I think if you can win 16 playoff games in the same playoff season you can probably narrow down your chances of winning a Cup.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I'm agreeing with cstanton on this one. I've hardly ever watched Kennedy, but his numbers (Bradleyesque) suggest great value for $550K. It makes no sense that the Sabres didn't walk away when the award was made. To stew on it for 4 days and give him essentially 333K for nothing when for another 666K is kinda senseless; but then again his best offer was 550K from NYR so then to not pay the extra $66K can be rationalized.

I'm assuming from what I've read and what cstanton put that Kennedy is a further along version of AGordon.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 30, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

that was an extra 666K.

Anyway, I'm not bothered that Caps missed out on Asham and Kennedy IF guys like AG, beagle and Pinner use the slots those guys would have inhabited.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 30, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm assuming from what I've read and what cstanton put that Kennedy is a further along version of AGordon.
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that's a really onpoint comparison. Except I think Kennedy's probably a better skater at this level. And he's versatile. He can play center, he can play the wing. He can play a checker on the 3rd line and create some offense, he can go bang bodies on the 4th line if necessary although he's no Patrick Kaleta. He moved around quite a bit last yr and had a lot of different linemate combos.

but yes, if those 3 Bears made the team then not signing Asham and Kennedy isn't a big deal considering the salary savings. But do you really expect those 3 to make it? Depends on if McPhee can clear some roster space at forward. Right now its looking like Chimera, Belanger, Gordo, Steckel and Brads have 5 spots locked up. With King getting the last spot. That leaves zero spots left for AG, SP, and JB.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

If you want to get all revved up about Kennedy go ahead. I could care less about the Rangers signing a potential 4th liner/potential AHL player to a 1-year deal. As Pullitzer Prize wiiner Newsday writer Steve Zipay wrote "Rangers pact with LW Tim Kennedy, who could play center here or in Hartford, is 1 year, $550,000"

It could not be more inconsequential.

"All I'm saying it is very clear that there is more than one way to win a Stanley Cup. It just comes down to talent, execution, and good fotune."
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and to think i get to read this level of insight for free. I am a lucky man.

Frankly, I think if you can win 16 playoff games in the same playoff season you can probably narrow down your chances of winning a Cup.

Posted by: cstanton1

If you don't find what I wrote interesting then don't read it and don't respond to it. It would make everyone happy.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 30, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

and there's Laich and Fehr as well. One of those 2 probably hit the 2nd line in some capacity. But basically, we need to cut like 3 players from our current crop of bottom liners in order for the young Bears to crack thru. I'm not optimistic that will happen.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

If you don't find what I wrote interesting then don't read it and don't respond to it. It would make everyone happy.
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actually i'm only responding to you because you butted your nose in to a couple of posts that I made. 1 being the Senators comparison. The other being the Kennedy signing.

so, I wouldn't find you so 'interesting' if you didn't feebly attempt to insert your own commentary on what I posted. You want to debate something, by all means. But if your arguments are weak, you're gonna get clobbered. You equated Detroit to the Senators under Martin. You were responded to. And then I guess you closed that topic. Now you're on the kick that Kennedy is a fringe type of nhler who doesn't warrant any attention. And frankly, you really don't know anything about him as a player judging by your description of him. I'm not making him out to be a young Iginla. But he showed some good promise in his rookie year as a player who can play in some different situations, different lines and positions, and he's got some grit to his offensive game.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Here, cstanton, are the 14 forwards I have in the cap calc:

Ovechkin (2008-2021) 9.538
Backstrom (2010-2020) 6.700
Semin (impending UFA) 6.000
Knuble (impending UFA) 2.800
Flash (impending UFA) 2.600
Fehr (2010-2012) 2.200
Laich (impending UFA) 2.067
Chimera (2009-2012) 1.875
Belanger (impending UFA) 1.850
Steckel (2010-2013) 1.100
Bradley (impending UFA) 1.000
B. Gordon (impending UFA) 0.800
Perreault (impending RFA) 0.717
King (2010-2012) 0.638
S/T 14 Forwards 39.885

So, if they trade Flash, and don't use Perreault, you have room for 2 of the 3.

I am thinking Flash brings back D, if anything, so Ersk or Sloan becomes expendable.

Also, you really only need 13 forwards active, so a Hershey player can go up and down as needed.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 30, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I like Kennedy.

Posted by: richmondphil2 | August 30, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

I like Kennedy.

Posted by: richmondphil2 | August 30, 2010 7:01 PM

i like cstanton1 by tko in round 45,092,943

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 30, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I'll take sgm3 then. Rear-naked choke in the Google round.

Posted by: richmondphil2 | August 30, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

"You equated Detroit to the Senators under Martin."

Posted by: cstanton1

When did I say this? All I said was that Detroit played the "euro style" and was very successful the past 15 years playing that style. That's it.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 30, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

I am really pi$$ed that we did not get Asham. He can lay the body on folks like few others currently on the roster. Maybe the cap numbers didn't work. Will have to leave that to Tominsocal or others to inform. I think GMGM knows what it takes but has some kind of mental block that prevents him from acting on it.

Posted by: ebolean1 | August 30, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

oops - unlike. sorry - well into my second martini.

Posted by: ebolean1 | August 30, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Asham would have fit fine at $700K. Let's say you signed Asham and then traded Chimera as a for instance. You'd be over a million lower in cap hit if that were feasible.

But, if you just signed Asham and made no trades, you would have completely blocked anyone from moving up from Hershey.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 30, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

@katie

can u please report on something else to get these fools arguing about.Or is it that lame on the caps front that there aint crap to report.I dont care if you even just make up something like 'caps trade for pronger' or something crazy like that.Atleast it better than these people,i.e. pokerface,that claim they have sources and this deal or that deal is going to happen and really they dont know there face from there buttox.Thanks in advance!GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: gratefuldid | August 30, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

I'll take sgm3 then. Rear-naked choke in the Google round.
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that is his favorite move i hear

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

When did I say this? All I said was that Detroit played the "euro style" and was very successful the past 15 years playing that style. That's it.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 30, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

so your comment about Detroit originated completely out of thin air? it had nothing to do with my post about the Senators and their euro style? why do you raise my blood pressure so?

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

i have total faith that poker will come thru. And if its a western conf guy, maybe it is Souray.


Tom, your scenario makes sense salary-wise but not roster-wise. If we trade Flash, we're probably going to use MP or MaJo as our 2nd line center, right? Or are you thinking we'll use Laich at that position? Because if we don't use Laich at 2nd line C, we'll still have 12 forwards not including the Hershey 3.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 30, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

When the hell is Kovalchuk gonna be finished? This has become a joke.

Is this still what is holding up Belanger?

They need to move two of a few: Rolston, Salvador, Zubrus, Zajac.

Posted by: underpants2 | August 30, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

They need to move two of a few: Rolston, Salvador, Zubrus, Zajac
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I'll take Rolston every day of the week and 5 times on sunday! If that missed ya, if there are no fish in pond "A" & there are a ton of fish in pond "B", I'm gonna go catch fish in pond "B"!

Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 30, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

an org over the past 15 yrs who employed the likes of McCarty, Holmstrom, Franzen, Draper, Maltby, Vlad, Brad Stuart, Ward, Chelios, Kronwall, Shanahan, Helm, Bertuzzi, etc
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Well McCarty, Draper, Maltby, Stuart, Ward, Chelios, Shanahan, Helm, Bertuzzi etc were all N Amer players so why would they be playing a Eurostyle?

If you're trying to prove that their "Euro's" played the same rough/tough style as "N Amer" hockey then you should leave the N Americans out of it shouldn'tch ya????????

Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 30, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

With Kovalchuk, a new contract was submitted last Friday w/league having 5 days to decide.

cstanton: Yes, you are right on roster, we could one up to start and others as injury fill-ins.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 30, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

have total faith that poker will come thru. And if its a western conf guy, maybe it is Souray.
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You know I've only posted something like this 1 other time & that was when I found out about BMo coming here (I was very in favor of this & it looked good in the beginning but he wasn't effective after December). So anyway I text my friend again and told him he's makin me look like an @ss! LOL! You wanna hear the hook now? Something that will drive you nuts? His response was "trust me bro there is going to be a lot of activity over the next couple of weeks". LOL! So take that for what it's worth. I can tell you that everything I've ever learned from this man has always been true or come true so I wouldn't have received such an exciting text if something weren't soon to happen. Trust me when I first posted this I was expecting it to happen in the next 12 hours so I'm stunned too. When you have contacts they don't like to be identified as the leak so they typically release the info right before it happens or close anyway. Yikes!!!!

Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 31, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

I never thought I'd be saying this but, I miss you Tarik.

Posted by: chrisclarksucks | August 31, 2010 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Report! The Washington Capitals announced that they have traded Erskine & Fleischmann for a 1st round pick in the next 2 yrs draft & ..................... The Tooth Fairy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Tooth Fairy has stated that he's been asked to not announce the trade yet until the Caps make a signing at center. That player is rumored to be Belanger.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 31, 2010 1:32 AM | Report abuse

Report! The Washington Capitals announced that they have traded Erskine & Fleischmann for a 1st round pick in the next 2 yrs draft & ..................... The Tooth Fairy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 31, 2010 1:32 AM

pokerface1208
it's exactly this kind of wishful bashing.. er - i mean thinking.. that will get this board in a frenzy. and then when it doesn't happen (by 7a tomorrow) - they'll just become an angry mob

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 31, 2010 1:48 AM | Report abuse

Sorry bro couldn't resist!

Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 31, 2010 1:58 AM | Report abuse

somebody's gonna have an aneurysm - and i'll be laughing my *ss off

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 31, 2010 2:06 AM | Report abuse

@cstanton

You're right about a commitment to team defense being a common theme with Cup winners. That seems to be a lost concept with this GMGM. He constantly refers to the Wings as a model, but never expands upon what he's copying. Are the Caps going to play some team defense in the playoffs, or just play "fire wagon hockey" ? If so, they'll lose to a team like the Pens or Habs again. The playoffs are too long to not not play team defense.

I wish our euro players would play like Datsyuk. A beast defensively and a great counter punching goal scorer. But, this mind set change won't happen until there is a GM and coaching change. I wish GMGM and BB would actually adopt the Wings style of team defense. We might actually win a Cup.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | August 31, 2010 2:23 AM | Report abuse

"Every team in the division has gotten better,"

And the thought that perhaps the Caps should get better never crossed the minds of Caps management?

Posted by: BetterOffWithFedorov | August 31, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

So instead of winning the SE by 40 points this year it's 20 points. Yes indeed, the sky is falling.

Posted by: Steve_R | August 31, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

@pokerface1208

"...Well the problem was he only had on his jock and skates! LMFAO! So is that a penalty? ..."

Posted by: pokerface1208

I don't know USHL rules or their rulebook. However, I would think that situation would be addressed in a similar fashion to USA hockey. In USA hockey Section 3 covers equipment and states that protective equipment shall be worn. The equipment is listed, helmet, gloves, shin pads, etc. For a violation of this rule after a warning by the referee a minor penalty for an equipment violation shall be imposed.

Posted by: BetterOffWithFedorov | August 31, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

@pokerface1208

Addendum to previous post: I know that the USHL is the top junior league in the US. But, I'm still not clear if the rulebook is the same as USA Hockey or not.

Posted by: BetterOffWithFedorov | August 31, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

His response was "trust me bro there is going to be a lot of activity over the next couple of weeks".

Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 31, 2010 12:04 AM

Thats about as informative as the most recent posts by Katie here on CI. Not to mention your friend never mentioned the Caps as the ones that will be active. :)

Opps sorry, haven't had my caffeine yet and my inner cstanton1 got the best of me. Sorry for the snippiness. I just want some hot leaks to happen and ball to start rolling. This Belanger c-o-n-spiracy is taking as long as the BP oil leak fix.

Psst, GMGM, try a junk shot.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | August 31, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

NY needs to dump salary, Caps need D and 2C so what about Flash or just picks for Salvador and/or Zajac. Nobody is picking up Zubrus and I think Salvador for picks would help both teams but Zajac is a solid center with a decent cap hit so the Devils get Flash as a new C at lower cap number while clearing room for Kovy. Thoughts?

Posted by: flee001 | August 31, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

NY needs to dump salary, Caps need D and 2C so what about Flash or just picks for Salvador and/or Zajac.

Posted by: flee001 | August 31, 2010 9:10 AM

Think you meant NJ there. :) OMG, you hear that??? The sirens...it's the GSP. (Grammar/Spell-check Police) RUNNNNNNNN!!!!!

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | August 31, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Dang, stoopid spilll chec

Posted by: flee001 | August 31, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

This Belanger c-o-n-spiracy is taking as long as the BP oil leak fix.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | August 31, 2010 9:07 AM

At this very moment, they are attempting to drill a relief well and find Eric Belanger.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 31, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

No way we should bring in any Devil other than Zajac. All others, way overpaid.

Also, the Devils will want picks/prospects. Perrault/2011 2nd rounder for Zajac?

Posted by: underpants2 | August 31, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Need more than that for Zajac.

Posted by: richmondphil2 | August 31, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

At this very moment, they are attempting to drill a relief well and find Eric Belanger.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 31, 2010 9:52 AM

Really? I heard it was an issue with the cap they are working with and trouble making it fit properly. Waka waka waka.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | August 31, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

UP

Not sure we have a 2nd rounder for 2011

The problem with giving picks up is that GM loves his picks - and is it me or do we need to re-stock the minors a bit?

Posted by: jeets | August 31, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

jeets: The Caps have nearly the max of 50 under pro contract - maybe 45 or so.

While it might seem that Hershey, once you put Varly, Carlson and Alzner on the Caps, is light in prospects, that many recent high picks are still in Sweden or Russia.

Had they been North American players, likely Orlov, Gus and MaJo would play for the Bears this year.

The bottom line is with those three, the two Russians from this year, Holtby, Perreault, Bouchard (maybe), the pipeline ain't dry.

OK, I think this list show 44 under contract:

http://capitals.nhl.com/club/roster.htm

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 31, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, I meant 2012 second. I forgot we lost next years 2nd in the sweet Corvo deal.

Posted by: underpants2 | August 31, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Zajac would be perfect.

Anyone would be perfect.

Defenseman would be perfect.

GMGM make this better, please!!!! Aren't the results in the playoffs the past couple years enough to convince anyone?

Posted by: lylewimbledon | August 31, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Aren't the results in the playoffs the past couple years enough to convince anyone?
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they had a coupla bad weeks ok, let it go man!

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 31, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

At this very moment, they are attempting to drill a relief well and find Eric Belanger
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not too hard to find him. He'll be the one avoiding contact.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 31, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

You can't STOP him, you can only hope to CONTAIN him!!!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | August 31, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Bad weeks at the wrong time - it's ok to have bad weeks in November...not April( some 30 years in a row)...I will start to get over it when the needs on this team get addressed properly.

http://kingsofleonsis.wordpress.com/2010/08/28/can-d-land-the-player-it-needs/

Posted by: lylewimbledon | August 31, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Hey Tommy...

What are the chances Kovy's contract gets approved?

I think someone will be in the KHL next year.

P.S. This has been a sad sad day in CI blogging. Putting me to sleep.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | August 31, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Dog days of August

Posted by: lylewimbledon | August 31, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

SAOTI: I say odds are 67% NJ continues to tweak the Kovy deal until league approves. Maybe a little better than that. Daly's comment was that the league wants the best players so long as within the rules.

15/$100M can work easily. I believe the "real" years will be 12/$96M and the last three will be "Hossa" years. I would think they will have 10 at 8.8; 1 at 5; 1 at 3; 1 at 2 and 2 yrs at 1 each. To me that is the ragged edge of league approval. The real "circumvention" at that point is 10 yrs paying 8.8 and charging cap 6.7, but percentage wise that is about the same as Hossa, maybe actually a little better.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 31, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone on here going to the Caps Convention in October?? If so have you gotten your tickets in the mail yet or do you have any idea when they get mailed out?

Posted by: ThePat | August 31, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Interesting tweet from Darren Dreger Devils latest attempt to sign Kovy is to "disguiise circumvention." "Trying to hide the crime makes this even worse," says NHL exec. TSN.ca

It looks like this new Kovy deal might not be accepted again. The question is will NJ even keep trying if they can't get the cap hit below $7m? The KHL is offering up to $10m tax free. If I were Kovy I would go there for one year and come back next free agency where there might be more then two teams interesting. Worst case is he has to come back and take a similar $7m dollar deal from someone. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Caps would look at him then. Semin would be done with his contract and if they could sign him to around $7m it would only eat up an extra $1m plus in cap space compaired to Semin this season.

Posted by: icehammer97 | August 31, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I'll keep Semin over Kovy, but thats my opinion.

I just want the deal done with one way or another so that other deals will happen. I feel like a few potential deals are on hold until this is resolved.

@tominsocal
So you think when Kovy (or his agent) said, if this deal doesnt happen, we are going to the KHL was just a threat? Because if not, then your 67% prediction wont be able to happen.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | August 31, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

@icehammer97

Dreger later corrected his statement by saying the quote was from an NHL GM and not an NHL executive.

Later it was rumored the quote came from Bruins GM Peter Chirelli which would have to be taken worth a grain of salt considering the Savard contract situation.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 31, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

You are right on him correcting it to be an NHL GM and not an executive. You are wrong in it being Chirelli. The Chirelli tweet was a respons to Savard not being traded and staying in Boston. The comment from a GM on Kovy's contract, Dregger would never say which GM that was unless the GM wanted to be known.

Reading the tweets can get confusing, but just wanted to correct you on that aspect of it.

Posted by: ThePat | August 31, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat

Thanks for the clarification.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 31, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

@sgm you are right I was looking at a twitter list which only posts tweets the person actually starts and no retweets so I hadn't seen that.

SAOTI I think with Kovy there would be a bit more consistency. If we are talking about the Semin from the Philly and Rangers series of the last few years (14GP, 7G, 9A) I would rather have Semin. If we are talking about the Semin vs the Pens and Habs (14GP, 1G, 7A) I want Kovy. Semin I think is better on the PK but takes some bad ones and puts himself in the box late too often.

Anyone else see Mike Wise has been suspended for a month?

Posted by: icehammer97 | August 31, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

@icehammer97

Yeah I saw that on Wise. He's an idiot. He only knows basketball and he isn't that great of a writer. The radio show stinks. Everyone knows what he was trying to prove is accurate. But he probably lost a lot of credibility.

Posted by: ThePat | August 31, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

SAOTI: 67% "will happen" also means 33% "won't happen."

What I think is that Kovy wants a contract at $100M. To get that, he must go NHL. He's a great player, so the league wants him. Play in Russia for a year? Will the landscape be any better here next summer? Already he turned down 12 yrs/$101M from Atlanta. The NJ offer is not as good as what he rejected. Next best offer, Kings, was much lower. He better sign soon, the musical chairs is about to stop.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 31, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Can someone summarize the Wise comments - I don't know what happened!

Thanks

Posted by: jeets | August 31, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Wise got suspended for tweeting a hoax? He should'be been suspended just for tweeting in general. I could get on board with the texting, the sexting, the facebooking to an extent, but this tweeting is where i draw the line.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 31, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

Kovy did sign his contract on Friday. It is just wating approval or rejection from the league office. The Devils, Grossman(Kovy's agent) and the NHL also met before the signing of the contract to discuss the provisions. Nothing will happen with the contract between now and the NHL's ruling. It is up to the NHL to decide if they want to accept it or not.

One thing to consider is that it would not be good for the NHL to have a 27 year old multi-time all-star, the leading goal scorer of the last decaade(I think), and a guy who a team was willing to sign to a contract over $100M, play in another league. The NHL, as a league, wants and needs players of Kovy's ability to play in the NHL. People want to watch the best of the best when they watch the NHL. Having players of this quality playing in other leagues would not be good PR for the NHL.

Would the NHL risk not having Kovy play in their league by rejecting another contract? They have already gained their leverage by having the arbitrator rule in their favor.

I'm not sure how much they would gain by rejecting this contract, and they could lose a lot if it goes to arbitration and arbitrator rules in favor of Kovy instead of the NHL. The risk/reward factors for the NHL seem to weigh in favor of them accepting the contract. But that doesn't mean they will.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 31, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

someone around here needs to get suspended for the clutterbuck hoax...i had that guy penciled into my lineup 2 months ago.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 31, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Cluster-buck

Posted by: jeets | August 31, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

@jeets He tweeted that a source had told him that Big Ben was going to have his suspension reduced to 5 games. He of course had no source and was just making the whole thing up. When he got busted he claimed that the whole thing was to prove that people will believe anything they see on twitter. However there were very few if any who actually bit on his "news" which seems to go against his "plan".

The reason for the suspension is it hurts the credibility of himself as a reporter as well as all of the other reporters at the Post.


Quick side note from people with bad sources Eklund is tweeting that a cup contender is "about to make a major move." Anybody heard anything from a better source about what he may be talking about?

Posted by: icehammer97 | August 31, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Quick side note from people with bad sources Eklund is tweeting that a cup contender is "about to make a major move." Anybody heard anything from a better source about what he may be talking about?

Posted by: icehammer97 | August 31, 2010 3:53 PM

Technically, on August 31st, all 30 teams are "Cup contenders."

So, I think Eklund is covered.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 31, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Technically, on August 31st, all 30 teams are "Cup contenders."

So, I think Eklund is covered.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 31, 2010 3:58 PM

even in mid april - 16 team are cup contenders

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 31, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

@Tom:

Too true...in fact , I think the only time Eklund has any chance of being on-target is by:

1) Making his predictions as vague as possible, and
2) Making those predictions during the off-season.

Here's my prediction: An NHL team will win the 2011 Stanley Cup.

Posted by: Rhino40 | August 31, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

@smg you talk about the NHL wanting and needing a player like yet they do no marketng around him. Even on the NHL Network where they have a lot of different players do bumpers for the network there is nothing with Kovy on it. Also while he is a great player since he has spent his entire career in Atlanta he is a guy I don't see the NHL as a league missing if he is gone. He is good but he is not Ovechkin, Crosby, or any of the other guys the league markets. I think he was much more important to Atlanta as a team then the NHL. They might be better this year but without a star to market they are going to need to be very good to sell tickets. Until Kovy was going to be traded he was never really even in the NHL news.

The KHL on the other hand NEEDS a player like Kovy who is still in his prime to try and get any real credibility. The only real value Kovy has to the NHL is to keep the KHL from getting him. As for next year the worst case is it is the same as this year and Kovy already has $10m in his pocket so maybe he won't demand as much of a team.

Posted by: icehammer97 | August 31, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Icehammer - had not heard the specfics

Posted by: jeets | August 31, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Katie can we please get an update?? Possibly something on Belenger...

Posted by: Wagnerchristopher | August 31, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

@icehammer97

I agree that the KHL has more to gain by signing Kovy than the NHL has to lose.

I was more talking about having players of Kovy's quality (multi-time all-star, leading goal scorer of the previous decade while still only 27, etc.) leaving would have a negative impact on the NHL. Having that good of a player leave a league in their prime is not good for any league.

What if David Robinson or Karl Malone left in their primes to go play in Europe? Of course it's not going to kill the league or anything, but it does hurt when marketing yourself as having all the best players in the world. Especially when there has been rumblings of the KHL improving(may or may not be true) and some other decent players leaving (Jagr).

All I'm saying is that it is a decently sized negative the league would have to deal with. What positives would the league get out of rejecting this contract? They already have the prior arbitror's decision as precedent for the remainder of the.

The other possible negative the league could face in rejecting the new contract is if the arbitrator rules in favor of Kovy. If the current contract is constructed like Hossa's this could be more likely(also Donald Fehr would not allow Bloch to be the arbitrator either). Then the league would lose a lot of the precedental weight the previous arbitrator's decision had.

The league can do whatever they want, but I'm just trying to look at what possible outcomes could come of rejecting the contract and what the league could gain and lose by doing so. Then comparing those ramifications to the ramifications of the league accepting the contract. Which wouldn't be much because they still have the arbitrator's decision and if the Kovy contract is structured like the Hossa contract then a similar and alraedy approved and current contract would be on the books.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 31, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Katie can we please get an update?? Possibly something on Belenger...

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tom belenger is about to make Sniper 4

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 31, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Quick side note from people with bad sources Eklund is tweeting that a cup contender is "about to make a major move."

Assuming that Eklund has real info (because I'm tired of waiting for news) and he is referring to the Caps, could it be Semin for Regher?

How about these lines?

Ovechkin-MP/MJ-Knuble
Laich-Backstrom-Fehr
Chimera-Flash-A. Gordon
King-Steckel/B.Gordon-Bradley

Green-Regher
Poti-Schultz
Carlson-Alzner
Erskine

Posted by: ablake70 | August 31, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

"The NHL, as a league, wants and needs players of Kovy's ability to play in the NHL."

Posted by: sgm3 | August 31, 2010 3:16 PM

i'm sorry but i'll have to reject this opinion as it is not accompanied by any statistics or an acknowledged reliable hockey source

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 31, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

That 2nd line looks great. I'd be willing to break up Ovy/Backs for that line. In fact, i think its brilliant in its simplicity. Between 2 established players like Ovy and Knuble, I think MP could work. MJ no thank you, not just yet.

The 3rd line looks awful. Flash and Chimichanga on the same line? Not fair to a rookie like AGordon to have to play on that line.

but in reality, you'd hopefully get a little more back for Semin than Regehr. Semin should bring back Giordano plus a pick.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 31, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

i'm sorry but i'll have to reject this opinion as it is not accompanied by any statistics or an acknowledged reliable hockey source

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 31, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

43% of dentists are in favor.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 31, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Katie doesn't really like to give updates on this site. Aren't there a few NHL players including Varley and Halpern practicing at Kettler every day? You'd think that she could actually go OUT there and interview one of them...get some info...what they are thinking about and how they are preparing for the upcoming season...something?

Posted by: MReilly9 | August 31, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

besides, i think Calgary's top 6 forwards are pretty set. You're not kicking Iginla or Rene Bourque off the top 2 lines at RW. Not even for Semin. And on the left side they just picked up Tanguay and they still have niklas hagman. So if Semin gets traded there, he's going to be a top liner, right? That means he'll play either on the left side with Jokinen and Iginla, which would bump Tanguay down a line. Or he'll play on the 2nd line and bump Hagman. Or they'll be forced to switch Bourque to the LW on the 2nd line which he tried last yr and struggled.

I think it would mess Calgary up if they traded for Semin or Flash. They're pretty strong at wing now. They're a little shakier at center. If Jokinen can't produce, they'll move Stajan to the top line.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 31, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

With the Kovy drama, the recent Russian defection, the Sochi Olympics and having only one year left until UFA, I can't see more than Regher + pick for Semin. If Belanger is signed, the 3rd line could be Chimera-Belanger-Flash, with A. Gordon being the 13th forward when B. Gordon is hurt. I know Flash is a LW, but if he can play center, he can play RW.

Posted by: ablake70 | August 31, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

ablake--

i totally agree that Semin's 'actual' trade value is LESS than what it would be on paper. But even granted that, I would think he'd fetch a little more than Regehr who is clearly on the downslope of his career. He's not a top pairing dman anymore. And you may not get more than 2 or 3 more solid yrs out of him as a 2nd pairing dman. He's not the same player he was a few yrs ago.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 31, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Chimera-Belanger-Flash
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you wanna put 3 perimeter type of players on the 3rd line? Come on. You know better than to do this. That would absolutely be a horrific experiment. 3 guys skating around waiting for someone to go get them the puck.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 31, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

@ cstanton1

I'm not a familiar with Calgary's line up as you, but Semin is a left/right wing and Calgary did have problems scoring last year. I agree, I don't think it will happen because I believe Calgary is already over the cap.

Posted by: ablake70 | August 31, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

what's eklund talking about here?

Antti Niemi is down to 2 teams, one of which is in the East.

In other news, I am hearing a contending team is about to make a major upgrade as well that will be announced tonight or tomorrow.

Let us wait breathlessly . . .

Posted by: redrocker2 | August 31, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

you wanna put 3 perimeter type of players on the 3rd line? Come on. You know better than to do this. That would absolutely be a horrific experiment. 3 guys skating around waiting for someone to go get them the puck.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 31, 2010 5:39 PM

I didn't have anywhere to put Flash (sound familiar?), but I know his dad will force him in the lineup. I thought about making him the 13th forward, but BB would never go for it.

Posted by: ablake70 | August 31, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I didn't have anywhere to put Flash (sound familiar?), but I know his dad will force him in the lineup. I thought about making him the 13th forward, but BB would never go for it.

Posted by: ablake70 | August 31, 2010 5:42 PM

Not unless it's the 7th game of the Playoffs.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | August 31, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

I think game 7 was GMGM's lineup. If BB had his way Flash and Sloan would've played.

Posted by: ablake70 | August 31, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a familiar with Calgary's line up as you, but Semin is a left/right wing and Calgary did have problems scoring last year. I agree, I don't think it will happen because I believe Calgary is already over the cap.

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if they hadn't signed Tanguay then maybe it would make more sense for them. Still not sure why they signed him.


re: Flash. Well, hopefully he gets dealt. They have too much of a clutterf**k situation at forward to keep him around. And I for one am not looking fwd to a "checking" line that has JC and EB on it together. In fact, if they start the yr out like that I guarantee you they'll be disbanded about 20 games in. Wouldn't be surprised at all to see Chimera be a healthy scratch at times this season. As a fan, I'm always waiting for the Caps to catch up and figure out what a lot of us already know. Some players get crowbarred into this lineup who don't deserve to be in it at various times and we have to suffer thru the coach's decision until the player clearly plays himself out of the lineup. In the meantime, damage is done.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 31, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

flash is a classic example of a player who can't simply be moved down a line and still be counted upon. He has to excel on a scoring line or be kicked out of the lineup. Whereas a kid like Ryan Callahan can play anywhere. And if he's not scoring goals, he can get kicked down to a more checking defensive line and still contribute.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 31, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

@pokerface- If someone were to guess the team and/or players that your source is talking about, would you at least tell us if we're hot or cold if you know? I don't want to put you in a situation where you lose such contacts but Katie is giving us as much info as I could get from listening to Kornheiser.

@cstanton1- 'Tom Belenger is about to make Sniper 4', LMAO.

Posted by: FunkyGloveFacewash | August 31, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

what "updates" are some of you people talking about? it's still August and the football season hasn't even started yet...

Posted by: joek443 | August 31, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

@ cstanton1

I agree that Flash should be traded, but I think fans look at him (and Semin) through Caps colored glasses. Grit and finesse are needed to win a Cup. Guys like Kane and Briere are willing to drive the net and go into the tough areas because they know they have teammates that will punish anyone that takes a run at them. With the exception of Ovi acting as Backstrom's protector, there isn't the same dynamic on this team and everyone knows it. Guys run Flash and Semin all the time with no retribution, so I understand why they shy away from the tough areas. Put them on a team with more grit like the Wild or Flames, I think they'd both be more effective in the playoffs

Posted by: ablake70 | August 31, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

in the meantime, take a ride on the most awesome racetrack on the planet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBmcjp-vAaY

Posted by: joek443 | August 31, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

cstanton..I think Berenger has already done Sniper 4. Too bad Nylander is gone. The circle play is right up his alley.

Posted by: nimrodrsp | August 31, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

@ablake

You might be on to something. Maybe everyone's cry to improve the Caps by replacing Semin and Flash for tougher guys was misplaced. Maybe the answer for an improved 2nd line is more toughness, grit and net presence from Brooks Laich, and if he can't fill it then exchange him for someone who can.

Because, as you said, you need grit and skill. Semin provides the skill on the 2nd line, the center can be well rounded and skilled with the puck while Laich should be providing the grit and net presence.

Semin and Flash are paid to be the skilled players. It usually isn't a good idea to try to completely change a player's style of game. Laich is paid to be a gritty, tough, net presence type guy(Knuble esque)If he can't do what he is paid to do maybe getting a player who is better at his job than Laich is the answer instead of trying to change a player who is very good at one style of play(skilled game) into something he isn't.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 31, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

@joek we are getting off topic but that is one track I love watching on TV. On problem is I do not like the sound of F1 cars. Too high pitched with thier high RPMs.

Posted by: icehammer97 | August 31, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

This post has been here for too long. Why don't they make a fake tweet report to spice things up?

Posted by: lornemyoung | August 31, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

ablake

You might be on to something. Maybe everyone's cry to improve the Caps by replacing Semin and Flash for tougher guys was misplaced. Maybe the answer for an improved 2nd line is more toughness, grit and net presence from Brooks Laich, and if he can't fill it then exchange him for someone who can.

Because, as you said, you need grit and skill. Semin provides the skill on the 2nd line, the center can be well rounded and skilled with the puck while Laich should be providing the grit and net presence.

Semin and Flash are paid to be the skilled players. It usually isn't a good idea to try to completely change a player's style of game. Laich is paid to be a gritty, tough, net presence type guy(Knuble esque)If he can't do what he is paid to do maybe getting a player who is better at his job than Laich is the answer instead of trying to change a player who is very good at one style of play(skilled game) into something he isn't.
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gee too bad McPhee doesn't really believe in those types of players. Since he doesn't draft em. Or trade for em. The type of player you just described is akin to a Ryane Clowe type. How many tough fightertype power forwards with some talent does this team go after in a trade or the draft? howbout less than zero. cue in a hazy shade of winter.

(ok, honorable mention to chris clark but he's about a 4 or 5 on that scale)

your beloved GM falls short on these types of players so a Brooks Laich ends up having to play that role. Which he's decent at, but definitely not at a level where he intimidates anyone.

And ideally you want your skill players to have some semblance of grit in their game. Flash has none. Semin's grit shows up once in a blue moon. Getting a hardnosed no-nonsense 2nd line forward to ride shotgun for those 2 would help a little. But unless he's tough like a Bob Probert, I doubt Flash will prove he's anything more than a featherweight out there.

once our GM acknowledges there's a need for this type of intimidating presence on a scoring line, then maybe your suggestion will have more merit. For now, its a pipe dream. I don't see us picking up any young chris simon types anytime soon

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 31, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Guys run Flash and Semin all the time with no retribution, so I understand why they shy away from the tough areas. Put them on a team with more grit like the Wild or Flames, I think they'd both be more effective in the playoffs
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you'd think a GM who only made it in the nhl because he provided exactly that element to a team, would understand this concept. if that isn't irony i don't know what is.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 31, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

cstanton..I think Berenger has already done Sniper 4.
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he was a bada__ in Platoon. You need guys like that to follow. Even as a liberal i can admit that.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 31, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton

A couple bad weeks. They've had a couple bad decades in the playoffs. This team was originally blown up because we had the eventual Cup champs down 2-0, and then fell apart. Maybe GMGM's choice of Butch( "The Cocktail Napkin Kid") had more to do with that than Lang, Bondra, Kono, etc. Just saying. I knew Butch wasn't an NHL level coach 10 seconds into his first post game. But, I'm not as smart as GMGM because LL in Jersey hasn't told the media what to think of me. just saying !!!!

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | August 31, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

@pokerface- If someone were to guess the team and/or players that your source is talking about, would you at least tell us if we're hot or cold if you know? I don't want to put you in a situation where you lose such contacts but Katie is giving us as much info as I could get from listening to Kornheiser.
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I'm with ya there. Like I said earlier this was supposed to go down days ago so I'm a bit baffled as well. I've been busy all day and haven't really had time to get caught up on things. The last text I got was last night (actually early AM) that said "hang on your still good". So I'm taking that as final details are working out. While I have no indication this is true, it very well could be a "wait & see" thing due to Kovy. When I was originally told this is was due to go down so my guess is the trading team might be waiting for Kovy. This is purely a guess but when I put our communications together and read between the lines this is my best educated guess. Probably isn't far from the truth but I won't know til later.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | August 31, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

You know and lastly, Chelly! What a career buddy! Very sad to see the time has come for you to hang em up but many what a warrier! A guy willing to pay the price, willing to put his team first, the will to win, the steady that makes steady & such a great guy as well!

Good luck to you buddy in your new life and new role with the wings!

Got the utmost respect for that guy!

Posted by: pokerface1208 | September 1, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Have you guys seen this CRAP?

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According to Sportsnet's Nick Kypreos, the new deal will see Kovalchuk earn $6 million per season in the first two years of the contract, followed by $11 million in 2012-13, $11.3 million in the next two seasons, $11.6 million in 2015-16, $11.8 million in 2016-17, $10 million in 2018-19, $7 million in 2019-20, $4 million in 2020-21, $1 million in the next three seasons, $3 million in 2024-25, and $4 million in the final year of the deal in 2025-26.
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So basically the "Big" change is that the smallest salary he'll be paid moved from the end of the contract to the the 90% mark & then bumped up the final 2yrs to make it "appear" they weren't circumventing the overall cap #! I say rip it up and send him to Russia! Better yet, make him an UFA like he should be (this isn't all his fault) and let him sign where ever else he wants. Obviously NJ wants him but at a # less than $7M which is a crime. I thought he was an elite talent? Them pay him like one and quit trying to cheat! Damn Lou! I've had so much respect for him, right up there with John Davidson but man I think he's not only losing respect from fans but from his peers as well.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | September 1, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

My God. I'll probably be dead before that contract ends, and I'll never find out when he skips out.

signed.
tominpurgatory1

Posted by: tominsocal1 | September 1, 2010 1:55 AM | Report abuse

nj is just being silly now - i say reject this one too
i'd bet if they submitted something along the lines of this:
9.0 (age 28)
9.0
10.0
11.0
11.5
11.5
11.0
11.0
10.0
5.5 (age 37)
3.0
2.0
1.0
1.0 (age 41)
106.5/14 yrs = 7.6 cap hit
it would be approved within minutes of submission
that $1M must be critical to the devils or they're just trying be asses

with a few minor tweaks to the last 6 years
8.5
4.0
2.0
1.5
1.0
1.0
they could get it to 102/14 with a cap hit of 7.3
thats only 600k from where they are now and would look like they were at least trying to pay market value

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 1, 2010 2:29 AM | Report abuse

I predict a deal for Robyn Regehr this week - he has always been our guy IF there is a trade for a D-man...all this Souray and Bieksa rumours are just that. Kings, Sabres, Wings and Caps have been in on Regehr all this time since late July.

Niemi will decide this week as well - I doubt we are one of his options unless Varlamov is in a potential trade package.

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | September 1, 2010 5:49 AM | Report abuse

Prediction:

-NHL rejects Kovalchuk deal
-Caps sign him for 1 year at $7m
-Semin is traded to LA Kings for Jack Johnson

Posted by: underpants2 | September 1, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

cstanton..I think Berenger has already done Sniper 4.
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he was a bada__ in Platoon. You need guys like that to follow. Even as a liberal i can admit that.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 31, 2010 10:57 PM


Um, by bada__, do you mean "murdering psychopath"? Following a guy like that can lead you to only one place...

HE{insert hockey stick}{insert additional hockey stick}!!!!

Even if you don't believe in such a place, pack your sh*t.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | September 1, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

What's everyone's opinion on this rule (or a variation of it) being entered into the new CBA

"No individual year in any contract that goes past 35 yo can be

pertinent example: Kovi's high year of 11.5 * 30% = 3.45 mil per season for the lowest year."

Something like this would put more of a definition on "circumventing the salary cap" with the longer-termed contracts.

I would still keep the restrictions on salary declinations so that some bone-head GM doesn do a contract at 11.5 for like 8 year and then 5 years of 3.45 for a cap hit of 8.40 mil.

It would also restrict the drastic up and down of contracts that is a point of contention.

Posted by: FrankM73 | September 1, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Grit and finesse are needed to win a Cup. Guys like Kane and Briere are willing to drive the net and go into the tough areas...

Posted by: ablake70 | August 31, 2010 7:08 PM

Briere...really? He doesnt drive to the net. He DIVES around the net, think you accidentally added that "r". Typically he floats/hovers around the outskirts of the net, waiting for the opposing team to forget about him and he sneaks in the back door (how fitting for him) and is unmarked. Not exactly your UFC octagon "tough areas". He uses his leprechaun magic powders to disappear from sight, not grit. Finesse, yes he has that, but that is expected from a should of been ice dancer.

Briere....(vomit). NO SOUP FOR YOU.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 1, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Briere...really? He doesnt drive to the net. He DIVES around the net, think you accidentally added that "r". Typically he floats/hovers around the outskirts of the net, waiting for the opposing team to forget about him and he sneaks in the back door (how fitting for him) and is unmarked. Not exactly your UFC octagon "tough areas". He uses his leprechaun magic powders to disappear from sight, not grit. Finesse, yes he has that, but that is expected from a should of been ice dancer.

Briere....(vomit). NO SOUP FOR YOU.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce

Unlike Semin however, he scores huge goals in the playoffs.

Posted by: underpants2 | September 1, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

@ SeminAllOverTheIce

Haha! I'm not a fan of the Keebler Elf either but many have claimed that Semin won't travel below the circles and Flash balls up in the fetal position behind the Caps goal during the playoffs. By those definitions, Briere does go to the tough areas.

Posted by: ablake70 | September 1, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Unlike Semin however, he scores huge goals in the playoffs.

Posted by: underpants2 | September 1, 2010 10:38 AM

Yeah, he scored a goal in game 7 against the Rangers. You know, the series the Caps actually won!

Posted by: ablake70 | September 1, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, he scored a goal in game 7 against the Rangers. You know, the series the Caps actually won!

Posted by: ablake70

How many has he scored in the 14 playoff games since that game 7?

Posted by: underpants2 | September 1, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

@underpants2

Hmm, I reread my post and the post I was commenting on and I am still trying to figure out your point and how it relates.

ablake was talking about Briere going into tough areas and driving to the net and me disagreeing with him. I am hoping the adjective "grit" that he used was directed at the players protecting Pee-ere and not Pee-ere himself.

Nowhere did we mention scoring huge playoff goals and not saying Semin is a gritty forward. In fact, I think ablake's main point was that people take more runs at Semin/Flash than say Kane/Munchkinere, not really saying which player he preferred. I just took the opportunity to take a stab at the le midge in black n orange.

Having said that, he (Semin) does score huge goals in playoffs, just not against the Habs (and Pens). Although I still argue he was one of our best players that series.

Semin over Briere any day, without even blinking an eye.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 1, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

SAOTI-

Beg to differ. Briere is a big game player, Semin is not.

Given the choice, Semin or Briere, I go with Briere.

Posted by: underpants2 | September 1, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

@underpants2

Semin creates chances and oppotunities. Briere hides, runs to the back post, taps in an open net pass that someone else sent him. Meaning the person that passed him the puck did all the work and served it up on a platter.

If Semin had a better line to work with, he could easily do the same. As it is, he is needed to create scoring chances and score them. A lot more required of him don't ya think?

We agree to disagree I guess.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 1, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Semin

Posted by: sgm3 | September 1, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

How many has he scored in the 14 playoff games since that game 7?

Posted by: underpants2 | September 1, 2010 10:57 AM

Semin haters love to dust off the "he hasn't scored a goal in 14 playoff games" line to prove that he is not a big game player. He had 6 points in the Pens series, including a fantastic game 6, and managed to finish even against the Habs despite having to carry Flash. I wonder how well Ovi and Backstrom would have done if they were split up and their line mates were Flash, Laich and/or BMo?

Posted by: ablake70 | September 1, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Semin and Flash are precisely what is wrong with this team. Soft players that do not show up in big games. You would think after the recent playoff collapse, a change would be made. I am still hopefull one, or both, will be gone once this Kovalchuk thing gets sorted out.

Semin's postseason accomplishments are no longer worth debating.

Posted by: underpants2 | September 1, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

@ underpants2

Who shows up for big games on this team?

Posted by: ablake70 | September 1, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

@ underpants2

Who shows up for big games on this team?

Posted by: ablake70

Good question.

Posted by: underpants2 | September 1, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Semin

Posted by: sgm3 | September 1, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

shocker! how bout semin v god. Still stayin on script?

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

On this current Caps team- given the choice, Semin or Briere, I go with...

Asham

Seriously though- Caps need more tough.

Posted by: Fro_ | September 1, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Um, by bada__, do you mean "murdering psychopath"? Following a guy like that can lead you to only one place...
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well considering those guys were already in "he L L", he kept a lot of his men alive and thats what drew them to him. Murdering psychopath? I wouldn't judge him without living in his shoes and what guys like him probably went thru. I don't like to look at things that simplistically and neither did Oliver Stone.

Sgt Barnes did have enough of a following that tells me he's more than a cookie cutter "Evil" person. He's more like a necessary evil. And if you look at the msg Stone was sending with that film, he didn't intend you to simply think Elias was right and Barnes was wrong. They both have their positives and negatives. And Sheen's character iirc was based on Stone's own experiences and he was caught in a crisis of conscience. He understood some of the practicality that Barnes brought to the equation and struggled with the brutality aspect of it. Barnes gave his men a chance to stay alive, and that's why they followed him. They didn't simply follow him because they got off on that type of brutality ala some of the other "violent for the sake of being violent" overly simplistic characters which have been depicted in other similar situations (casualties of war, etc).

So when I first saw it, I did lean towards Elias more. Now, I don't see it that way anymore. I think Barnes did a lot of the dirty work that is unfortunately a necessary part of war. And much like that dude who got nailed for the MyLai massacre, there's a little more to the story that whats on the surface. I don't condone some of the actions. But in that situation, I feel I have less room to judge since I haven't had to go thru it.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

@underpanties...as usual, your input is most welcome. Not many posters have the total insight that you display here. Keep up the good work.....idiot.

Posted by: nimrodrsp | September 1, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, he scored a goal in game 7 against the Rangers. You know, the series the Caps actually won!

Posted by: ablake70

the forward who really impressed me in that series was Kozlov of all people. He's another guy who could've had an even better career if he just showed more consistent determination in his game. When he was on his game, you couldn't get that puck away from him the way he'd shield it with his big frame. And that power move where he knocked the goalie over to me was a defining moment.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

You know and lastly, Chelly! What a career buddy! Very sad to see the time has come for you to hang em up but many what a warrier!

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Chelios was one of the first players to go into the Boston Bruins bench when Chris Nilan got attacked (rightfully so, lol).

Chelios also had the benefit of being under the tutelage of some of hockey's greatest leaders. You can't put a price on leadership. I have to think his career would've been much less illustrious if his formative yrs had occurred under guys like Poti.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Certain players aren't used for their toughness/grit. Some are pure talent/skill players. You need them as well. They arent really interchangeable. Hence we have different lines that serve different purposes.

I'm not too familiar with Asham, but from what I have read, he is a slightly better version of Matt Bradley no? So you want to have a squad that consists only of Asham like players? Thats about as crazy as when doughless was on here claiming give him an entire team of Matt Bradley's and he would win the cup. Come on, come back to reality.

So Fro, take your team of Asham's...I'll take my team of Semins and see who wins. Deal?

I do agree that we could use more tough, but not by replacing key talent. If you sell all your bullets for more armor, pretty soon you will just be sitting still taking shots. Cant win a battle without attacking, the best you can do is call it a draw.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 1, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Semin effort-wise-- showed up for the latter half of the Flyer series, showed up for most of the Ranger series, skipped out on the Penguins series (after getting whomped by Orpik in the 1st game early he showed no desire to compete hard after that). And I thought he started the Habs series with the wrong attitude. I saw no desire from him to work hard and battle until he got the focus turned up on him. Then suddenly he's scrambling around like its d-day.

You can always control your own effort even if you can't control if the puck goes in the net or not. And my disdain for Semin has more to do with his effort and desire (cue in sgm with his "how can you get inside a player's head and judge his desire" rant) than his actual execution (insert joke)

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

@underpanties...as usual, your input is most welcome. Not many posters have the total insight that you display here. Keep up the good work.....idiot.

Posted by: nimrodrsp

NIMROD

What exactly are your thoughts? Show us how smart you are, please. What did I say that offends you so?

Posted by: underpants2 | September 1, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

well considering those guys were already in "he L L", he kept a lot of his men alive and thats what drew them to him. Murdering psychopath? I wouldn't judge him without living in his shoes and what guys like him probably went thru. I don't like to look at things that simplistically and neither did Oliver Stone....

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Deep dude, but here's how I see it. (BTW, I'm a Vet)

I've watched that movie a bunch o' times, and I don't try to think outside the context of whats provided, it is a movie after all and life is a whole lot more complicated.

Barnes did some questionable stuff, and I get what ur sayin about the whole 'Nam thing and how some seemingly "evil" stuff may have been necessary to get the job done out there.

But the icing on the cake for me was killing Elias. Where do you see that as being "necessary"? I think the movie kind of puts the average person on Elias's "side", he appears to be a likeable "hero" to me in the movie. But if he killed Barnes instead, based on what was shown in the movie, he is a murderer too...just not so psychopathic.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | September 1, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton...Lt Calley was the man charged with My Lai. I do agree with you that he was the scapegoat for the slaughter. I do not think that a Lt. would make those orders on his own. There was more to the story that did not surface. That is my opinion by the way. I do not have any knowledge or proof to the contrary. As to soldiers following Sgt Barnes because he gave them the best chance to survive? That is crap. They followed him because they were assigned to his unit and did what any soldier was taught to do...Follow Orders. In the movie, both Elias and Barnes could lead their men because they had experience. They just had different ideas of how to do it.

Posted by: nimrodrsp | September 1, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse


Semin effort-wise-- showed up for the latter half of the Flyer series, showed up for most of the Ranger series, skipped out on the Penguins series (after getting whomped by Orpik in the 1st game early he showed no desire to compete hard after that). And I thought he started the Habs series with the wrong attitude. I saw no desire from him to work hard and battle until he got the focus turned up on him. Then suddenly he's scrambling around like its d-day.

You can always control your own effort even if you can't control if the puck goes in the net or not. And my disdain for Semin has more to do with his effort and desire (cue in sgm with his "how can you get inside a player's head and judge his desire" rant) than his actual execution (insert joke)

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 12:33 PM

I agree with you about Kozlov. He was great during the 2008-2009 playoffs. Disagree about Semin. Despite having 5 goals against the Rags and none against the Pens, I thought he played with more fire against the Pens. I nearly fell off my chair when he threw Cooke down after the face off in game 2. IMO, he was the engine of the Flash-Backstrom-Semin line against the Pens.

Posted by: ablake70 | September 1, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

While we wait for Nimrod to dazzle us with his hockey knowledge, I wanted to let you know tickets are available today for the Caps vs. Flyers Rookie game. It's free, but you have to the Caps website to request tickets.

Posted by: underpants2 | September 1, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

underpanties...it is your constant negativity about all things Caps.

Posted by: nimrodrsp | September 1, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

But the icing on the cake for me was killing Elias. Where do you see that as being "necessary"?
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i thought that was too hollywoody and probably a flaw in the movie that was put there to bring home the horrors of war and the injustices of it. From Barnes viewpoint, he viewed Elias as a threat, as someone who plays it too "by the book" and someone who's a little naive. He killed hi to avoid the courtmartial. I don't condone it, it was meant to be a horrifying scene, but in many ways it wasn't too different from soldiers who fragged their own officers because they perceived them as a threat to their own safety (either due to inexperience in the field or something else).

I don't look at the Elias killing as "murder" anymore than I look at the killing of non-military personnel which occurs all the freaking time. Its horrible either way you cut it. But that last scene notwithstanding which i thought was kinda inserted to give Elias a glorious martyr type death that Hollywood loves, I thought Barnes offered more to his troops than just a coldblooded psycho killer. He was a very strong leader. I read a book called Fields of Fire (James Webb) when I was a kid that offered a decent insight into some of the experiences from that war. And my exgf's dad did multiple tours as a marine and we used to talk thru all hours of the night about what he went thru. He didn't stake a claim to any psychological trauma from it, he was very matter-of-fact about everything. Just offered up details without much emotion behind it.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

underpanties..I am not even disputing any thing you say. It gets tiresome hearing the same crap out of you all the time.

Posted by: nimrodrsp | September 1, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

underpanties..I am not even disputing any thing you say. It gets tiresome hearing the same crap out of you all the time.

Posted by: nimrodrsp

Can you dispute anything dipsh!t?

Posted by: underpants2 | September 1, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Despite having 5 goals against the Rags and none against the Pens, I thought he played with more fire against the Pens.
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Semin has a very distinct on-ice personality. In the beginning, he used to act like a kid who didn't want trouble but would always stick up for himself when he got picked on. It was like he was hyper-aware of the fact he was an outsider in a new league. He felt like the new kid, had a chip on his shoulder, and he showed some moxie by battling back. Had some very real battles with players like Sean Hill who decided to f__ with him.

Then in the Flyer series, he really came alive to the point he was taking full-on cheap shots on Flyer players. He punched Upshall in the mouth, he was using his stick liberally, he was trying to kill em on the ice. Hurling himself into checks, very quick to respond if someone looked at him the wrong way. This started at the beginning of Game 4 in Philly. The Flyers even made remarks about Semin in the press where they said that he'd lost his mind out there and was overdoing things and the refs weren't calling it.

So now I'm thinkin, cool, Semin has turned the corner and is about to embrace some NAmerican hockey. But the problem with him was, he needed someone to rile him up before he responds. That was Semin part 1.

Semin part 2 is a player who would rather not engage anymore in that type of action on the ice and will retreat even further when challenged. He became instantly meek for the rest of game 1 when Orpik railed him. And aside from maybe an incident here and there, he refused to compete hard in the Penguins series. He shut down. Same way he shut down his hitting right after the Marc Staal incident. If you look at his hitting prior to that incident and immediately afterwards, there is a huge discrepancy. So Semin part 2, doesn't impress me with his mental tenacity.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

@underpants2

Thanks, been busy at work I nearly forgot. Although it seems it is first come first serve regardless. So whats the point of requesting tickets?

Hopefully being during the day on a work week will deter people from going and keep the crowd to a minimum.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 1, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I don't look at the Elias killing as "murder" anymore than I look at the killing of non-military personnel which occurs all the freaking time. Its horrible either way you cut it.

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My last word on this, just because I respect that this is a hockey blog:

That's a fact, murder is horrible, period. But murdering a comrade in arms, when engaging the enemy on the battlefield, when he least suspects it? Come on...

If the dude was as strong a leader as you say, why kill Elias? His awesome leadership abilities would have won the day eventually...right? He already had the unit in tow, minus one influential newbie. Elias had been there a while, why not wait for his discharge. ITS UNJUSTIFIABLE based on the facts given in the movie.

And I agree, Barnes wasnt all bad, but when taken as a whole...HE WAS NUTS!!!

...and that character is no hero of mine.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | September 1, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton...Lt Calley was the man charged with My Lai. I do agree with you that he was the scapegoat for the slaughter. I do not think that a Lt. would make those orders on his own. There was more to the story that did not surface. That is my opinion by the way. I do not have any knowledge or proof to the contrary. As to soldiers following Sgt Barnes because he gave them the best chance to survive? That is crap. They followed him because they were assigned to his unit and did what any soldier was taught to do...Follow Orders. In the movie, both Elias and Barnes could lead their men because they had experience. They just had different ideas of how to do it.
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i'll ignore your krap comment for the moment, this is gonna be a flamewar free day for me. Too much to do at work today.

But go read an article called Into the Dark about the My Lai massacre. Offers up some very good cause and effect details that led up to that fateful moment.

with regards to Barnes v Elias, I stand by my impression of why he had a loyal following. And it had more to do with his men being forced to follow him. In fact, there's quite a splintering within the platoon (maybe wtf can validate this) as to who they side with. One of the director's own statements regarding the way he intended to depict Barnes (and I can try and dig it up since I'm recounting this from memory alone), I recall Stone saying that he doesn't look at Barnes as the bad guy and Elias as the good guy. There was a lot more complexity involved and that's why Sheen's character makes that statement that both men were fighting for his soul. And a lot of Barnes' skepticism regarding the villagers is borne out in history. Most of the VC were simple villagers who by day were befriended by American soldiers and by night were carrying out their own missions. They used to put crushed glass in some of the hooch they offered American soldiers so it eventually became common practice to make the village chief drink the hooch first to test it out. And prior to MyLai I think there was an incident involving a platoon who got ambushed by the same village they brought supplies to. That sort of stuff tends to inflame tensions and then fairness and what's right gets tossed right out the window. Unfortunately.

Again, war is complex and Barnes was much more than just a ruthless killer. At least the way I perceived him. And what I heard Stone say after the movie came out sort of reinforced my opinions as to his intended portrayal.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

And I agree, Barnes wasnt all bad, but when taken as a whole...HE WAS NUTS!!!

...and that character is no hero of mine.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | September 1, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

mine neither. I'm just trying to offer up something a littler deeper than Barnes being nothing more than a guy who just enjoyed killing for killing's sake.

But I think we all agree that Berenger rocked that part. To go from the Big Chill to Platoon, that show a ton of range.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I think a lot of GM's are waiting to see how this Kovey deal shakes out - NJ could be offering up a lot of players to get under the cap.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | September 1, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

@ cstanton1

Semin got a double minor for cross checking Orpik after the slashing incident. Watching the interaction between Ovi and Semin in the penalty box, I don't think Ovi was pleased with Semin retaliating and putting the team down a man for 4 minutes. That could explain why he was passive the rest of the game.

As I said earlier, I think Semin played with more fire in the Pens series than the Rags. Although I was impressed how quickly he bounced up after being clotheslined by Orr, I thought he was going through the motions in that series. Against the Pens, he was battling hard to make something happen or to keep plays going. I do wonder if some of the "meekness" we see in Semin is just fear of getting a penalty. From what I've seen, the guy has a bad temper.

Posted by: ablake70 | September 1, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton

God

Posted by: sgm3 | September 1, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I do wonder if some of the "meekness" we see in Semin is just fear of getting a penalty. From what I've seen, the guy has a bad temper.

Posted by: ablake70 | September 1, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

refresh my memory again because what I remember was Semin skating down the right wing and Orpik taking a huge run at him from behind and just hammering him into the boards. Semin then peels himself off the ice and looks shell-shocked. That was game 1. I think the incident you're referring to is game 2 where Semin retaliated to repeated Orpik abuse. But hitting someone with your stick is less important to me than showing me you're willing to go battle for that puck, jostle around, fight for position, etc. And Semin didn't do that in the Penguins series.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

@sgm

good to hear. But i know it was a tuff call for ya to make.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

So you want to have a squad that consists only of Asham like players? Come on, come back to reality.

So Fro, take your team of Asham's...I'll take my team of Semins and see who wins. Deal?

I do agree that we could use more tough, but not by replacing key talent. If you sell all your bullets for more armor, pretty soon you will just be sitting still taking shots. Cant win a battle without attacking, the best you can do is call it a draw.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 1, 2010 12:30 PM

Don't be ridiculous dude.

When did I ever say I wanted a team of Asham's?

And while Semin is very talented, awesome player, etc- I honestly don't believe him to be "key talent" on this team anymore. With the amount of scoring on this team, I very much think that the Caps would be better off replacing his 40 goals with Fehr's goals and an Asham type on the team. DJ King is not that guy, and neither is Bradley.

Bradley is a good guy , whom people (self included) love. But he is no Arron Asham type of player. Asham agitates, fights (well) and can score 10-15 goals per season.

Also- don't read into this as Semin hate. Because its not.

But I have a feeling we'll agree to disagree on this topic.

Posted by: Fro_ | September 1, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

cstanton...I am not disputing any thing you say, just adding a little insight from personal experience. The My Lai massacre had a resemblance to the scene in Platoon in that the whole thing started innocently but escalated little by little until it got out of hand. You really did not trust anyone that was not dressed in olive drab.

Posted by: nimrodrsp | September 1, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

very well said Fro. Very measured tone. I am envious.

esp agree with this--

'With the amount of scoring on this team, I very much think that the Caps would be better off replacing his 40 goals with Fehr's goals and an Asham type on the team. DJ King is not that guy, and neither is Bradley.'

The caps could score 50 less goals next season and easily be a better balanced playoff team. Everyone always looks to "replace" goals when you talk about trades. It doesn't have to be a one for one replacement.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Nim, I was just offering you an add'l resource that sheds some more light on it, that's all. I didn't mean it to sound like we were in disagreement over MyLai.

Now Platoon, that's a whole nuthr board war! lol

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

refresh my memory again because what I remember was Semin skating down the right wing and Orpik taking a huge run at him from behind and just hammering him into the boards. Semin then peels himself off the ice and looks shell-shocked. That was game 1. I think the incident you're referring to is game 2 where Semin retaliated to repeated Orpik abuse. But hitting someone with your stick is less important to me than showing me you're willing to go battle for that puck, jostle around, fight for position, etc. And Semin didn't do that in the Penguins series.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 1:37 PM

Maybe it was game 2. Game 1 is fuzzy. I flat out erased game 7 from my memory!

-Game 2-Orpik slashes Semin in the hand, Semin gives him the "WTF you say to me?" cross check to the ice, Orpik hits Semin in the family jewels with his stick. Double minor for Semin, nothing for Orpik.

-Game 3 (I believe), Semin's battling along the boards in the Caps zone. He comes out with the puck, makes a sweet cross ice pass to a streaking Backstrom. Goal!

-Game 6-Semin gets hauled down behind the net and there is a delayed penalty. While the other Caps were having a nice conversation with MAF, Semin is fighting to keep possession of the puck. He throws the puck out to Feds, who passes it to Flash. Goal!

Those are just a few plays in that series that stand out. Honestly, I don't think Semin's give a crap level is any different than any of the other young guns. They all have positives and negatives.

Posted by: ablake70 | September 1, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Orpik did his job. He got Semin to think about something else in that series besides just playing hockey. Not just with the retaliation but also the fact that Orpik drove home the point that Semin would have to deal with him every step of the way. If Semin dished off the puck, expect to get hit. You skate around the net, expect to get slashed. You dig for a rebound, you get creamed. Then its upto the skill player to decide if he still wants to be committed to the action.

Its a great msg to send to a skill player at the start of a series. An element that is sorely missing from our team. The only player we had that kinda did that was ShaMo. He did that with Vinny, with Jagr, and with Crosby.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

@Fro

I guess my question is, if DJK and Brads arent this guy we need...why not replace them with AA rather than Semin?

I think what Semin brings to the team wont be noticed until he is gone. He is not merely 40 goals and 44 assits (I'd argue its hard to toss aside an easily could be 100pt scorer as not key, but thats for another post), its the other stuff as well. The fact that teams have to worry about more than just Ovie and causes them to have to shuffle their lines, giving our other guys better chances to score by association. He is often as marked as Ovie. Not to mention he plays on the PK and does it well (which we all know our pk needs help not another blow).

I wouldn't say we totally disagree. We agree could do with less goal scoring, we agree we need more toughness, but we disagree on what Semin actually brings to the team. Fair enough?

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 1, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Berenger (would make a great 3rd line center!)
I am reality. There's the way it ought to be, and there's the way it is. Elias was full of sh__. Elias was a crusader. Now, I got no fight... with any man who does what he's told. But when he don't, the machine breaks down. And when the machine breaks down, we break down. And I ain't gonna allow that... in any of you

Sheen:
Day by day I struggle to maintain not only my strength but also my sanity. It's all a blur. I have no energy to write. I don't know what's right or wrong anymore. The morale of the men is low, a civil war in the platoon. Half the men with Elias, half with Barnes. There's a lot of suspicion and hate. I can't believe we're fighting each other, when we should be fighting them.

I think now, looking back, we did not fight the enemy, we fought ourselves, and the enemy was in us. The war is over for me now, but it will always be there, the rest of my days. As I'm sure Elias will be, fighting with Barnes for what Rhah calls "possesion of my soul." There are times since, I've felt like a child, born of those two fathers.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

and SAOTI with a measured response! Everyone took their maturity pills today.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

With the amount of scoring on this team, I very much think that the Caps would be better off replacing his 40 goals with Fehr's goals and an Asham type on the team. DJ King is not that guy, and neither is Bradley.'

Saying that the Caps can get rid of Semin because he is just 40 goals is like saying we can get rid of Ovi because Knuble scored 29. These guys are not playmakers, they do not create space for themselves. Do you honestly think Fehr would hit 21 goals or Laich 25 if the 2nd line was Laich-Flash-Fehr?

Posted by: ablake70 | September 1, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I guess the only time Sheen was sure of anything was when he was burning sh*t. lol

Posted by: nimrodrsp | September 1, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention he plays on the PK and does it well
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i'll go to my grave stating otherwise. Semin blows easy plays and easy clears that a player with infinitely less talent and better instincts can make routinely. High risk high reward. That's what he is. If he gets a chance to control the puck and skate it out, then he can kill off more time and produce maybe a quality scoring chance. But too often he doesn't do his job on the half-wall and the point man is allowed to keep the play alive.

Give me simple consistent defensive-minded forwards on the PK. Guys who know how to cut angles, not take unnecessary risks, make the simple clear, take the body when appropriate, and put relentless pressure on the point. I'll take 3 or 4 less PK goals over the course of the season in lieu of these types of players who imo will help produce a better PK unit.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

@ cstanton1

And Semin sent the message that he wasn't going to back down. He played as he should have. The Caps just lost.

Posted by: ablake70 | September 1, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I guess the only time Sheen was sure of anything was when he was burning sh*t.
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what does that mean? like crackin it up?

it is interesting though, both Charlie and his dad were in some defining roles in Vietnam-era movies. His dad of course in Apocalypse Now where he had an infamous onscreen meltdown relating to his alcoholism, and ended up cutting his hand pretty badly when he punched a mirror

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

And Semin sent the message that he wasn't going to back down. He played as he should have. The Caps just lost
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he backed down like a scared rabbit imo. He played tentatively for the most part. The Penguin top 6 players showed a lot more desire in their game than did ours. The only line of ours that outdid their counterparts was the Brads-Steck-Laich line. Just goes to show that in the playoffs, less talented players can play a much bigger role. Each time they were on the ice they maintained puck possession in the offensive zone. Our top 6 guys had a hard time even penetrating the zone. And when they did, the puck didn't stay in very long. Horrible for momentum

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Burning sh*t was the sewer system in Nam. The only way to get rid of it was to burn it, literally.

Posted by: nimrodrsp | September 1, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

sounds charming

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

The only line of ours that outdid their counterparts was the Brads-Steck-Laich line. Just goes to show that in the playoffs, less talented players can play a much bigger role. Each time they were on the ice they maintained puck possession in the offensive zone. Our top 6 guys had a hard time even penetrating the zone. And when they did, the puck didn't stay in very long. Horrible for momentum

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 2:39 PM

Thats because a 3rd/4th line isn't going against the top D typically. Those guys are used more against the people like Ovie, Semin, etc. Take away Semin and you move someone else in his spot that requires less constant worry and it has the filter down effect. All the lines become weaker as a result.

This kind of shows his value, just like Ovie's. By other teams having to watch out for a particular player, they are forced to change things up which usually open up doors for others. In this case, the Brads-Steck-Laich line.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 1, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

@ cstanton1

We will have to disagree about Semin.

The playoffs are best against best, so it's not shocking that the bottom 6 guys are the difference makers. Of course Ovi shredded the Pens d and Sid convinced our d that he was apart of the team, but usually it's a stalemate. Laich-Steckel-Bradley played well together and made things happen. (Bradley is another guy that was phenomenal in the playoffs that year). Our talent kept us in it until game 7, but the Pens were the better team.

Posted by: ablake70 | September 1, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

@SAOTI
as a general concept, I agree with you. It would make sense that 3rd and 4th liners play against "lesser competition". But due to the Caps inability to generate consistent offensive zone time which in turn wore down our own defense, Boudreau gave the Steckel line extensive ice time in that series. They played against the top 4 guys when Bruce had the home matchup. Steckel's line was averaging close to 20 mins per game. That's about what Semin was getting. It wasn't till the last game when the rout was on that Bruce cut down on that line's ice time. But in the meat of that series, the Steck line was getting the same amount of ice time that our 2nd line was seeing and frankly, they got MORE 5 on 5 time. And Bruce was using them to soften up Scuderi, Gill, Gonchar, Letang etc so that when he put our big guns back out, there would be a little more breathing room for them to operate.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

@ cstanton1

Are you sure those guys weren't getting 20 minutes per game due to all the Pens power plays?

Posted by: ablake70 | September 1, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Niemi signing with SJ, reportedly 1 year, $2M.

Posted by: ThePat | September 1, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Hradek says Niemi to SJ

Posted by: jeets | September 1, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

@ cstanton1

Are you sure those guys weren't getting 20 minutes per game due to all the Pens power plays?

Posted by: ablake70 | September 1, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

go look it up :) i think you can probably go to nhl.com and go to past boxscores or something. It should give you something under maybe event summary or whatever that lays out ice time details for players. i gotta get back to work!

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

NEWS REPORT:

Katie C. is officially M.I.A.!!

Posted by: gratefuldid | September 1, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't Semin on the ice during a PK for onyl 3 goals against all season long. In addition, he was on the ice during the PK for three Caps goals. Therefore, in all of his PK ice time over the course of the entire season(so not taking a shift here or there) Semin broke even on the PK.

Considering how bad the Caps PK was overall, that is a d*mn good statistic that no other Cap, and very few other NHL players have.

To say you don't like Semin because you don't like his style, fine. But to say he was not effective on the PK last year is just plain wrong.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 1, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

To say you don't like Semin because you don't like his style, fine. But to say he was not effective on the PK last year is just plain wrong.

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you don't take into account any specifics when you make your arguments. Its all about statistics. So maybe Semin was on the ice for 3 against. I don't know. But I know what I see. And when I see him missing chances for easy clears because he flubs the puck or refuses to engage along the boards, that's more than just a stylistic disagreement i have with his game. It has tangible negative impact because our PK unit ends up running around needlessly trying to kill more PP time when a simple clear would've eased the pressure. I saw Semin do this numerous times last yr where another forward more suited to the PK would have been able to make those plays.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

SGM3's post seemed pretty specific. On for three against, on for three for during the entire regular season. That on a PK unit that was not very good overall. So Semin was effective if those numbers are correct, but perhaps not pretty in the way you like. That sounds to me like seeing the mistakes and refusing to see the good plays. Perhaps your eyes are lying to you?

Posted by: _Mark | September 1, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

well, if i had the benefit of being able to record those plays in hindsight and then show them back to you, i could prove my point very effectively. Since I don't, I can't. But my eyes didn't lie. And flubbing clears that didn't lead to a goal against still has a negative impact to your PK unit without affecting Semin's on-ice numbers.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 1, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

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