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Talking Points: Ovie vs. Crosby

Michael Wilbon and Tony Kornheiser talk about a dream matchup other than their own: Ovechkin vs. Crosby in the playoffs, as well as foreign players and other hockey matters. Check out the video below:

By Lindsay Applebaum  |  April 30, 2009; 10:12 AM ET
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Tony, I believe you said "hockey is dead". Why talk about it now?

Posted by: pga6 | April 30, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Kornheiser and Wilbon on hockey...that's rich.

Posted by: ridgely1 | April 30, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Because his relevance is on the line. All he's backed in this town are losing teams and he suddently realized that he's missed the bandwagon.

Stick to basketball guys.

Posted by: Greg S. | April 30, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Where do they get the idea that Ovechkin is planning to target Crosby?

Posted by: theshawn | April 30, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Why are we getting "analysis" from two dudes who don't know a thing about hockey and, in fact, despise the game?

That's like me analyzing baseball or golf.

BTW, have the Penguins fans started to whine about Malkin and Crosby getting run by Ovechkin or do we have to play at least 1 game first?

Posted by: ranndino | April 30, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Karma for sale! Caps' fans, I think karma is for sale. How about, before each game, we make donations to BestBuddies in the name of Ted Leonsis? Our contributions are in the amounts of $8, $19, $28, or $52?

Posted by: Matt23185 | April 30, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Actually, the Penguins organization wrote a letter to the NHL demanding extra security against the Capitals. They've demanded that to even things out that they be allowed 2 goalies in net, at the same time, and preferably 5 additional players on the ice so that their players don't have to skate up and down the ice. There's been a request that the Capitals be checked also for mouthguards at the beginning of the game to prevent any further biting. =P

Go Caps!

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | April 30, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

You know, I try not to respond to some of this stuff, but I'm not sure why more coverage is a problem, regardless of who it's from. Nothing we do is taking away from what you already get. In fact, we're only adding more Xs and Os and analysis. Feel free to not watch/read anything. This is all I'm saying about the matter.

End of rant.

Posted by: Lindsay_Applebaum | April 30, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I tried. I really tried to watch that video but after 1:24 I felt sick. What on earth possessed you to post a video of those two guys? Did you stay out late and today you have a headache ... and well, it was the first thing you found? By the way, is that you in the video?

Posted by: opita1 | April 30, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I don't know why I actually watched it, but I did.

Oh wow, Ted Leonsis has to personally invite Kornheiser to the game and he just might do everyone a huge favor, show up and watch 1 period? What a pompous d-bag!

Kornheiser: It wouldn't be smart for Ovechkin to go after Crosby because someone on Pittsburgh will crush Alex. Yeah right, how many players have tried to crush Ovechkin? What usually happens? They bounce off like they just ran into a cement pole.

Posted by: ranndino | April 30, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Opita1, you don't have to watch it. I post anything we do related to hockey. And no, that's NFL editor Cindy Boren.

Posted by: Lindsay_Applebaum | April 30, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I love how Wilbon will back up his hockey prowess with the fact that he LOVES the game and has played, but when he finds himself lost in a question that is over his head, he hides behind the fact that he is "no Barry Melrose"

Posted by: DrZaius1 | April 30, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Wilbon's column this morning is "quite possibly" TERRIBLE. Not only is it full of hedging on matters of opinion (e.g. "Pittsburgh is perceived as Crosby's team, even though Malkin is quite possibly a better player"), but it displays a startling lack of familiarity with hockey.

Don't get me wrong, the Post's coverage of the Caps has been A++. Props to Tarik et al. Tom Boswell's column on exhaling after game 7 was phenomenal. So why do I have to wake up to 1000 words of thin, thin gruel from this Wilbon guy?

Posted by: ralph4100 | April 30, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

you tell 'em Lindsay. I don't mind it at all.

Why do we have so much hatred for people who haven't covered hockey to suddenly cover it now? Who cares if they're jumping on the bandwagon or are just doing it because it's suddenly relevant to the national audience and they feel they need to be involved to be included in the mix.

Like Lindsay said, you don't have to watch it. The Post is doing a great job at covering the Caps and trying to provide as much new perspective as possible, even it's from two people who have shooed away hockey like a little gnat in the past.

Caps in 6...yeah I said 6.

Posted by: Moose33 | April 30, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I dunno if this is kosher or not, but is there an STH here who'd be willing to grab an extra pair of Game 5 (may 9th) tickets when they go on sale? I'm trying to pay my brother back for all the games he's taken me to ^_^

Posted by: honed | April 30, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I guess by 12 minutes into this thing they got bored of talking about hockey and launched into a 2-minute analysis of... American Idol.

Wow, I'm really glad I wasted 14 minutes of my life.

Posted by: ranndino | April 30, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

This is one video where I think I'm actually glad I can't watch it at work.

Posted by: thiazzi | April 30, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Tony is way off base with the Brashear penalty. That happens ALL THE TIME in the NFL. The hit was the equivalent of a linebacker or safety destroying a receiver going across the middle.

Posted by: decoy13 | April 30, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Thanks. Yes. I know I don't have to watch it, and I didn't more than a minute and some seconds, that was more than it deserved.
Let me say, that I think you do a great job, but on this one we just have a different take.

Posted by: opita1 | April 30, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

go get em lindsay.

it is just an outsiders viewpoint of 2 guys who don't know much about hockey so take it with a grain of salt. it was still about hockey. wilbon and tony are great sportswriters, but they aren't caps beat writers

Posted by: _stevo | April 30, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

by the way, having said all that, I agree with everyone that it's not worth watching if you want some actual hockey insight.

Posted by: Moose33 | April 30, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Listening to Kornheiser and Wilbon talk about the Capitals is like listening to Hollywood actors talk about politics. Who cares what they have to say?

The bandwagon left the station a long time ago guys, and you missed it.

At least Wilbon wanted to be there. Stick to hoops Tony.

Posted by: jkemprow1 | April 30, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I did not know Michael Wilbon was drafted by the Blackhawks.

Posted by: SA-Town | April 30, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Why do we have so much hatred for people who haven't covered hockey to suddenly cover it now? - Moose


Hatred? No. No one feels like that, i think you might be taking remarks too literally.

Suddenly covering hockey? Do you really think that watching a period or two of hockey in your home because "Leonsis" did not invite you to see the game is covering the game? LOL. Those two guys are great charlatans, some of the best on that field, who are making good money out of spewing a couple buzz words and repeating what others are talking about. So. No. I don't agree that they are covering hockey.

Posted by: opita1 | April 30, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Wow...another idiotic video from the Gruesome Twosome.

These videos have to cease.

Posted by: keeef | April 30, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Hatred? No. No one feels like that, i think you might be taking remarks too literally - opita1

I think you took me saying covering Wilbon and Kornheiser "covering hockey" too literally.

Have you not see all the post everytime Wise posts a video? Calling him names, telling him to go do something else. Maybe not hatred, but it's getting close.

Posted by: Moose33 | April 30, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I love seeing so much additional Caps coverage in the print edition of the Sport section (here too). While I agree that Wilbon and Korhneiser come across as Johnny Come Lately's (if not downright obnoxious, but it's their style), I don't see how turning up our noses and saying "you don't know enough about hockey to cover the Caps, go away" benefits the idea that the best pro sports team in D.C. (some Soccer fan will rant at me :-)) deserves more in-depth coverage. Maybe they'll start attending games regularly and really learn to appreciate it.

The Wizards season is over, the Nationals are in their usual hole, the 'Skins don't play for months. The Caps (soccer not withstanding) are "it" right now, and I love it. :)

Posted by: blackjack65 | April 30, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

"I think you took me saying covering Wilbon and Kornheiser "covering hockey" too literally. "

LOL. You are right. I thought of that after I posted.

Posted by: opita1 | April 30, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

For better or worse, Wilbon and Kornheiser are two of the biggest celebs in sports reporting and they are based in DC. I'm guessing that the "haters" are not watchers of PTI. These guys are a great act and I appreciate the fact that they used the Caps in their act. It's good for the Caps and it's good for hockey. Do they know a lot about hockey - no. But, that is not what this is about.

Posted by: ccCapsfan | April 30, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

opita1 - I figured it was an obvious back handed jab at them but looking back, it does sound like I actually thought they were covering hockey.

I mean, the look of pain on Kornheiser's face when the word "hockey" was brought up says it all. He really looked like he didn't want to be there. He also would have been better off not mentioning he would grace the Caps with his presence if Leonsis invites him to his box again.

Posted by: Moose33 | April 30, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

This was great - I love it when anyone talks hockey, never mind these guys. Face it, Caps-Pens is the best thing to happen to a long time in a sport that has suffered deep wounds [many self-inflicted] over the years - plus, if these two don't talk puck on PTI, it's probably because their producers have something to say about it.

ESPN wasn't thrilled when hockey went black, and who could blame them.

Thoroughly enjoyed this.

Posted by: govtimbo | April 30, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

And one last thing about this, I have to completely agree with blackjack65, well said.

Posted by: Moose33 | April 30, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Who is the woman in the middle? She's awesome. Probably the one person who knows anything out of the three. I love how she just sits there rolling her eyes at this drivel. Hilarious.

Posted by: cappies | April 30, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I am normally a huge Kornheiser and Wilbon fan, I think PTI is a great show, blah de blah blah blah. But after waking up this morning and skimming Wilbon's article for twenty seconds, then coming to the blog and seeing a lot of other people here I wanted to give it a chance, but after Kornheiser says that he needed Leonsis to invite him? and that he would stay for a period? It makes me sick! He sounds like a complete princess, and they both make it clear that they know nothing about hockey. Wilbon at least gets the excitement of the game, but Tony is completely lost. I love you guys, buy please do us a favor and stick to all other sports, or at least a one minute argument on PTI.

Posted by: apollak8 | April 30, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Lindsay, I have no problem with you posting everything hockey. It is the right thing to do and I like that.

The issue I have is with someone who admits to not writing about it because they don't cover it and then jump on the bandwagon and act as if they know all about it. I have read many chat sessions and if there is one question answered about hockey, it is a miracle. And I know others are asked, just not answered.

You are doing a great job though! Please keep it up. Thank you!!

Posted by: CTCapsPhan | April 30, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

P.S. They're both right about Canadiens - they are very open-minded about many things, but a Cherry-listening minority still retains a powerful grip on the hockey psyche.

Brian Leetch's dad was a 4-time college all-american - and he never even got a LOOK at the NHL - 'nuff said.

Posted by: govtimbo | April 30, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone is criticizing Lindsay, just Tony and Wilbon

Posted by: apollak8 | April 30, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I hate these guys. And it only gets worse when they start talking hockey. Disgusting.

Posted by: binnenreim | April 30, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Kornholer talking about hockey, he's a bum.
Hey Kornholer put one article in the post
that you have written saying good things about the Caps. Go back to the style section and pretend to be Dave Barry at least he has talent.

You use to show up at the Capital Center for the free buffet in the press room, we would never you in November or December only if the Caps got near the playoffs you would write something about choking dogs.


Stay off this band wagon you don't deserve a seat you should to be run over by the wagon.

Posted by: 1-20-09 | April 30, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Ol Korny was incredibly obnoxious and know-it-all. Go watch Dancing with the Stars and American Idol you has been. I still can't believe he is on MNF, then again MNF was been going downhill for years. No Howard Kossel and Dandy Don = boring.

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS | April 30, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

WILBON! WHAT THE HELL!! All the years on PTI at the end of the show Tony would ask you what your watching? NEVER! EF-ING NEVER!
Would you say anything about a hockey or the NHL on the TV, you would watch blind people bowling before watching the Caps and I never saw you at the Capital Center and not ever for the free buffet. NOW here you are.

Posted by: 1-20-09 | April 30, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Now offense, Lindsay, I respect the work you've done and I appreciate your coverage, but now that the Caps are in the semi's these hokey-haters are all the sudden respected opinions? I'll take your advice and exercise my right to not watch it. These guys can EF right off.

Posted by: evenadog | April 30, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and Cindy isn't fit to shine Ovie's shoes, so the media trying to pump up a rivalry between them is kind of silly.

Posted by: evenadog | April 30, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

You are on the money. I am of course happy with the increased attention that the Caps are receiving, but my trash collector has more knowledge about hockey than either of these "celebrity" sportswriters. Please don't waste any more of our time with these two guys. I love that Kornheiser expects the team owner to pony up seats in his box to induce him to come to a game 7 of a playoff series. What an entitled moron he is. Get your behind up in the press box with the other journos, or better yet, buy a seat, and try to learn something about this great sport.

Posted by: pcalver1 | April 30, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I remember last year Kornhole said he might show up to a playoff game if he got an invite to the owner's box.

He didn't.


Posted by: CapsChick | April 30, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse


****"Even with Ovechkin, the Caps haven't made a dent this season. Stories about them are rarely on the front page of the sports section; they're usually buried inside, in what I like to call "MLS Hell."

In one big game tonight, more people will root for and care about the Maryland women's basketball team than have cared about the Capitals in 74 games."*******

He Shoots, He Scores, America Snores

By Tony Kornheiser
Tuesday, April 4, 2006; Page E02

Hockey is dead.

At least it's dead right here, right now.


The Capitals have reached a two-year agreement with Bonneville International Corp. to broadcast all 82 games beginning next season.
With the fifth pick in the draft, the Capitals select defenseman Karl Alzner and add Josh Godfrey with the 34th selection.
The Capitals bring back red, white and blue to the team's new jerseys.

The Caps have played 74 games. They only have eight left, and they've been playing since October. And when was the last time they came up at all in conversation? Not just the Caps, any NHL team? For five bucks, name the coach of the Columbus Blue Jackets, I dare you.

Hockey is so dead in America, the players may as well still be locked out. You can't find hockey anywhere on television unless you're looking for the Bicycle Race network. The biggest NHL story all season was the accusation that Wayne Gretzky's once-hot actress wife was betting with Gretzky's bookmaking assistant coach. The games pass unnoticed.

The Caps have the rookie of the year -- maybe the rookie of the last 10 years. And when was the last time somebody walked up to you and said, "How 'bout that Ovechkin?" That only happened, oh, 30 times a few weeks ago when the Redskins signed Randle El. Even with Ovechkin, the Caps haven't made a dent this season. Stories about them are rarely on the front page of the sports section; they're usually buried inside, in what I like to call "MLS Hell."

In one big game tonight, more people will root for and care about the Maryland women's basketball team than have cared about the Capitals in 74 games. (By the way, Cindy and I are calling the Maryland team, the "Gurtles," a combination of "girls" and "turtles." Catchy, huh? Fear the Gurtles!) Beyond Ovechkin, Olie the Goalie and Montpelier, how many Capitals can you name? And what kind of scheduling bozo gave the Caps three straight games against Carolina this late in the season? Earth to Gary Bettman: This isn't baseball. They're not the Yanks and Sawx.

Hockey didn't just lose last season. It appears to have lost its place.


Posted by: 1-20-09 | April 30, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse


I doubt if you'll see this, but who knows?

I remember last year seeing a video with these two characters moaning about how the Caps have received some notoriety in town and were playing in the playoffs.

They thought the whole thing was a bore and that hockey was a waste of time. I believe that Wilbon said he'd rather watch soccer than hockey.

One also said that they hadn't been to a game, but their daughter was excited about going to the games. So he bought her a tee. Wow.

If they can't be bothered to follow the local hockey team during the season, they should be quiet during the playoffs. I really don't care that they're the stars of WaPo.

To many of us, they're conceited eliteists that are only interested in their own promotion. They have missed the boat and are now rowing furiously to catch up.

Unfortunately for them, this boat sailed last November. They have no clue what this team went through over the past 5 years. They don't know the rivalries.

They don't know hockey. They don't like hockey. And it shows.

Posted by: Greg S. | April 30, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

If you want to increase coverage, just give TEB more space in the paper and have Boswell (who can actually write a column geared to a casual/novice fan without insulting core fans) pen columns, with Steinberg doing his usual work but Caps-focused.

That video was the equivalent of some website sending a couple strippers to the Super Bowl media day to ask silly questions.

Posted by: jcurrin | April 30, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

OK...anyone who takes what Kornheiser says about the NHL seriously is wasting their time anyway. He just doesn't even watch the sport.

Its obvious. Because they both said that when you have that much skill there's no need for the "gooning" in the sport. "Kick them out" I believe was what they said. I forget the other event but I do remember when Carmello Anthony punched a guy in the face because he got a "hard foul" and i didn't hear them saying that they should kick them out of the league. and i dont believe they said anything about kicking anyone out of the league when that whole thing went down surrounding the Ron Artest fight. So people who haven't been around the sport, and haven't played the sport dont know what it is really like to be out there getting stuck in the ribs, slashed, hooked, cross checked all the time as a regular part of the game. That gets your adrenaline going along with all the checking, so of course there are going to be fights every now and then. People who say fighting should be out of the league have never strapped on a pair of skates a played real hockey. So take what they say for what it is...Just let it go in one ear and out the other.

Posted by: CapsFan44 | April 30, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Do us a favor and quit w/ the Wilbon-Tony thing. Why should they get their 15 min when all they are is jumping on the bandwagon.
Caps fans have huge dislike for them.
Where were they during the " lean " years??
And where will they be if the Caps lose??

Tell'em to go back to their hole.

Posted by: jotay131 | April 30, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't agree more with all these posts. 1-20-09, you nailed it.

Someone has to let Kornhole and Chicago suck-up Wilbon know that they are NOT welcome here. You ignore and, worse, DISRESPECT, the Caps for years, don't show up now and try to get on the bandwagon. They can p*** off, for all I care.

Posted by: CAP-lanta | April 30, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

The only local sportscaster to follow the Caps from the beginning of the season to the end of the year was the GREAT Glen Brenner.
Glen can drive the Band wagon. Still miss the way Glen Brenner and Gordon Peterson worked together.

Posted by: 1-20-09 | April 30, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

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