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Ted Leonsis: No. 1 pick helps, 'but you have to build around them'

After Lady Luck (or fate?) gave Ted Leonsis another No. 1 pick last night at the NBA draft lottery, he spoke to The Post's Michael Lee about how his experience with the Capitals will help him as Wizards owner.

On the importance of getting a No. 1 pick: "We got Ovechkin and we were able to build around him. The lesson is, one player can really, really help. But you have to build around them. You still have work to do. I'm excited, but I'm also responsibly sanguine about it because I know how much work we have to do to make a great team."

On learning from mistakes: "I took a lot of stupid pills early on with my ownership with the NHL early on, and I think I've learned a lot and I hope to be able to apply some of that to the NBA. But each league is different, each situation is different and I hope to spend the next hundred days not doing anything radical, just listening and trying to get my hands around what is the best path to make the Wizards championship contenders -- which is what the fanbase wants and what the Pollin family wants and what the employees want."

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By Lindsay Applebaum  |  May 19, 2010; 12:35 PM ET
 
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Comments

From previous thread:

Here are some names with heights and weights.

Centers:

5'10" 189 Tomas Plekanac
5'11" 200 Scott Gomez
5'10" 179 Danny Briere (offcially a center, plays wing sometimes, lighting the lamp when at center this playoff season)

Wings:

5'9" 180 Martin St. Louis (someone fudged this)
5'10" 178 Patrick Kane
5'7" 173 Brian Gionta

Mathieu Perreault 5'10" 174. We keep calling him too small to play at the NHL level, but Matty P has something in common with the players listed above other than just being small. He can play the game. He has proven it at every level. Even at the NHL level.

While playing in the QMJHL he was selected as the 2006-07 player of the year. Sidney Crosby won this award is 2003-04 and 2004-05. He has beaten the odds at every level and come out looking like a star. I certainly hope he gets a chance to secure a regular spot on the this team next season.

Even though he is small he almost always comes away with the puck in the offensive zone turning nothing into instant offense.

Posted by: fanohock1 | May 19, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

From previous thread:

One thing everyone really has to keep in mind is that the AHL can be brutal. Much more brutal than the NHL at times because there are many more players in those line-ups (not Hershey) that are hoping to get into the NHL any way they can. They don't care if it's scoring or punishing someone to land a 4th line job. My point, if smaller players like Matty P or Aucoin can still be successful at that level, they are doing great things. Aucoin's numbers in the NHL are good too. Getting 26 points in 74 NHL games with the limited amount of minutes Aucoin gets is impressive. Matty P's 9 points in 21 games with his limited time is impressive too. Not to mention these guys come up and play with different players every time they come up. Continuity and line chemistry would allow them to prove that they are even better players.

In a way I am sort of surpised that BB, having dealt with size being an issue for him, even though he produced in the AHL and produced 70 points in only 141 NHL games these small guys wouldn't get more of a shot.

Posted by: fanohock1 | May 19, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

First order of business should be to change that stupid name and those aweful uniforms!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | May 19, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Two of our players had a broken foot...Green had I believe a bad shoulder, Ovie was injured and would not have been playing had it been the regular season, and Some other guys were injured too.

Game 7 against the Pens was depressing and embaressing...but lets be honest...even in the regular season they were a comprable team to us. (not this season but last). In every series someone has to lose. The Pens beat us and franly outplayed us in the first 6 games even before we completely imploded. 1 team out of 30 wins the Cup every year. Just because we weren't that team doesn't mean we are horrible...How would you change this team? Fire BB who in 2 1/2 seasons took us from worst team in the league to president's trophy, trade away our 40 goal scorer AND 2 time Norris Trophy finalist...Who do we replace them with? Despite their flaws, who will we find better? I am all for slight changes and adjustments? But lets not pretend that our team is full of posers who don't know how to play the game. We WILL win a Cup one day soon. Patience is a virtue and it seems you have run out of it.

Posted by: capscoach | May 19, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

They have lost 3 game 7s under BB...but lets PLEASE stop acting like we were really supposed to beat Philly...I was damn proud of the caps that year and they fought tooth and nail just to make it in.

Posted by: capscoach

Who had broken feet? Simon Gagne broke a foot, he is playing well. All the guys you mentioned played every game. Injuries are just an excuse good teams don't need or use.

Under GM/BB with this core we have had home ice in all four series. All four series have gone 7 games. We lost 3 of 4. We lost 3 of 4 on home ice game 7. We had 2 game leads in 2 of 4 series.

If these trends do not disturb you, then there is a problem. Underachievers need to go:

Semin
Flash
Schultz

Use their value to bring in players to build around the core. Don't blow it up, but we are more than Minor Tweaks Away.

McPhee has failed. He failed at the trade deadline, we lost 2 2nd round picks because of the moves he made that failed. 2nd picks are good assets, gone. This zombie will give the message in the offseason that "we like our team", or "we ran into a hot goalie". This is all bs, and it sounds like most of you buy into it. I am done buying into it. I am tired of watching this team fail. What surprises me is that most of you are not.

Posted by: underpants2 | May 19, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Go back to the red, white and blue of the Bullets. Instead of Wizards, what do you call them? The Senators? It matches well with Capitals. Or maybe the Washington Monuments?

Names not to use - the Wash Filibusters; the Wash Carpetbaggers and Scalliwags; the Wash Lobbyists; the Wash Deep Throats; the Wash Spies; the Wash Congressional Interns.

Sorry to any of you employed in those professions.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | May 19, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

@underpants2

I get your frustration, but GMGM is FAR from a failure. Look at all the talent he has drafted! Nylander was his only big mistake and no one could have seen that coming. Ov, Backs,Semin(i'm sorry but despite being a headcase he is good and valuable), Fehr, Green, MP, Varly, Nuevy...and thats just recently!

And injuries like we had against the Pens are not an excuse...look at Detroit this season...they were horrible when they had all those injuries and then as they got healthy made a huge comeback.

Posted by: capscoach | May 19, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Great moves by GMGM:

Traded Robt Lang for Flash and a late #1 that became Mike Green; Traded Gonchar for ShaMo and pick that became Schultz; traded Brendan Witt for pick that became Varlamov; traded Clark for Chimera; signed Bradley great role player at $1M; traded Bondra for Brooks Laich; traded Eminger and a #3 for Carlson.

Generally, he's done a great job of drafting in rounds 1 and 2, later rounds much more iffy.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | May 19, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

The Gonchar and Witt trades were when we blew up the team! We had to get rid of those high priced guys that were underperforming...and the rebuild seems to have worked nicely. GMGM is one of the better GMs in the league. He even called Backstrom being better than E-Staal in the draft.

Posted by: capscoach | May 19, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

I also think Flash still has potential despite his ppor playoff showing...I would not keep him because of Cap issues, but with some defensive work he could still become a very solid 2nd line player.

Posted by: capscoach | May 19, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

And injuries like we had against the Pens are not an excuse...look at Detroit this season...they were horrible when they had all those injuries and then as they got healthy made a huge comeback.

Posted by: capscoach

Detroit had guys out of the lineup. None of our guys were out of the lineup. The flyers lost Carter, Gagne, their goalies, where are they. Montreal lost Markov, Spacek, where are they. In fact, in that series, OV hurt Gonchar, the Pens still won.

We had no significant injuries that explain pi$$ing away a series where we were up 2 to 0. Sorry, but the Caps choked in that series, as they have done before, and done since. This team cannot close teams out the way it is today. Unless it changes substantially, this team will fail to win a Stanley Cup. Injuries are an excuse a losing organization and a losing GM can fall back on.

As far as McPhee goes:

1. He picked OV - No Credit for that.
2. He picked Backs - Great pick, but not a hard one.
3. Semin and Green were good.
4. Fehr - ok player, not a good pick when you consider who he passed on (Getzlaf, Perry, Richards) all of those guys light years beyond Fehr.
5. 09 Trade Deadline - Disgrace
6. Nylander debacle. He didn't want the guy, wanted the cap room, then didn't use it.
7. 08 Trade Deadline - was there one?
8. Semin played terrible in Pens series, instead of trading him, signed to a 1 year extension, this year, worse in the playoffs.
9. Sasha Pokuluk


The guy has been here 10 years, has 1 playoff series victory to show for it.

Posted by: underpants2 | May 19, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

@underpants2

We are at the point where we have argued our sides and must agree to disagree.

Posted by: capscoach | May 19, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Anyone think the Habs will be able to make a comeback...it looks like they just can't handle the Flyers physicality! I am by no means a Flyers fan, but I gotta say that they are playing with a lot of heart.

Posted by: capscoach | May 19, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

@underpants2: please, enough already. We get it (what you want.) Now, can you please work on changing your screen name?

Posted by: dccitizen1 | May 19, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

As far as McPhee goes:

1. He picked OV - No Credit for that.
2. He picked Backs - Great pick, but not a hard one.
3. Semin and Green were good.
4. Fehr - ok player, not a good pick when you consider who he passed on (Getzlaf, Perry, Richards) all of those guys light years beyond Fehr.
5. 09 Trade Deadline - Disgrace
6. Nylander debacle. He didn't want the guy, wanted the cap room, then didn't use it.
7. 08 Trade Deadline - was there one?
8. Semin played terrible in Pens series, instead of trading him, signed to a 1 year extension, this year, worse in the playoffs.
9. Sasha Pokuluk


The guy has been here 10 years, has 1 playoff series victory to show for it.

Posted by: underpants2 | May 19, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

It'll take one more disappointing playoff loss before there is any serious momentum to fire McPhee. Just sit and wait. It'll happen. We won't win a Cup under GM.

and yes he stinks at upgrading the team via trades. Since he doesn't realize his own team's strengths and weaknesses, he has no idea what to do to bolster the team when it needs it. It'll be a very happy day for me when he's gone. At this point I don't even care who they replace him with. I've more than had my share of McPhee.

Posted by: cstanton1 | May 19, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh no! cstanton1 is back! Does this mean all the Caps bashers are about to come back on...it was so nice to chat with people who had a few nice things to say about the team.

Posted by: capscoach | May 19, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

underpants2: How long have you been following the Caps? Musn't be long at all if you cannot remember the trade deadline from 2 years ago. Have you really forgotten who GMGM snagged at the 2008 trade deadline? Fedorov, Cooke, and Huet. Gave up nothing to get them.

Posted by: fanohock1 | May 19, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

@capscoach: because some of the Caps bashers' favorite team is out of the playoffs, I guess they have nothing better to do than come back here and spew.

Posted by: dccitizen1 | May 19, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

underpants2: How long have you been following the Caps? Musn't be long at all if you cannot remember the trade deadline from 2 years ago. Have you really forgotten who GMGM snagged at the 2008 trade deadline? Fedorov, Cooke, and Huet. Gave up nothing to get them.

Posted by: fanohock1

Gave up a second pick for Huet, along with Kolzig, hardly nothing.

I am done, it obvious I cannot change any minds.

Posted by: underpants2 | May 19, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

The organization bashing has moved past the point of being an annoyance for me.

It's actually kind of funny now.

For the time being, GMGM and BB arent going anywhere, no matter how much you think they suck.

I can understand suggesting some realistic, possible adjustments to the team in the upcoming season. Even if I dont agree with them.

What is the point of following a team which you have condemned?

The bashing is folly.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | May 19, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

> Gave up a second pick for Huet, along with Kolzig, hardly nothing.

Wrong - Huet was acquired for the 2nd round pick only. Kolzig wasn't getting the job done and Huet came in and went 13-2-0 with .936% and 1.63 GAA - pretty damn good deal, even if he was only good, not great, in the Philly series.

Posted by: yosemite_sam | May 19, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I have to say that something is seriously wrong with the hockey universe when the Flyers have two shutouts against a team that beat the Caps and the Penguins in the first and second round. I guess that's playoff hockey, eh? Time for the Habs to make a miraculous comeback, in my opinion.

Posted by: dccitizen1 | May 19, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I still want to know what changes underpants2 is proposing because it sounds like he is advocating blowing up the whole team.

As I said before, three or four players away, that is what we are. In my opinion 2 Dmen, One 3rd/4th line gritty forechecker who is good on the PK, and a 2nd line center.

We should try to go into the season with the Dmen in place I think so they have 82 games to know wxactly where their partner will be.....the other two, pick up at the trade deadline so it doesn't kill the cap.

Either make a suggestion underpants2 of what you would do or go twist your panties somewhere else please.

Posted by: PhilR | May 19, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Atlanta ended up with that 2nd round pick in 2009 through the pick bouncing around from Anaheim to the Caps to Montreal to Atanta and they selected Jeremy Morin. He's playing well in the Juniors. Montreal got Mathieu Schneider for that 2nd round pick from Atlanta.

Kolzig was not lost at the trade deadline, you must really not have watched the Caps even in 2008. Kolzig was the pissed off back-up that never stepped in net for the Caps after he played in a 5-0 loss to Chicago. Kolzig was a an awesome Cap for many years, but his time was done. Kolzig signed as a free agent with Tampa in the summer of 2008.

Huet was worth that 2nd round pick. The Capitals would never have made the playoffs in 2008 without his acquisition. They did exit in the 1st round against Philly but that's where our young guys starting earning their 1st playoff experience.

Posted by: fanohock1 | May 19, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

In all fairness to underpants, in a lengthy comment yesterday at 12:54, he proposed this:

"This team needs a MAJOR overhaul. We all thought they we close, we were all wrong. Close teams don't implode the way this team did in the first round.

First line:
OV/Backs/Bertuzzi
Second Line:
Laich/(Trade/FA)/Knuble
Third Line:
Flas/Perrault/Fehr
Fourth Line:
Bradley/Steckel/Chimera


Defense:
Green/(Someone acquired via Semin Trade)
Carlson/Alzner
Poti/Schultz

Goalies:
Varly/Neuvy"

Now, I don't agree with his negative assessment of the team and the GM, but he did propose a solution.

Posted by: _Mark | May 19, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

How's the golf game Cap Fans? GO FLYERS!!

Posted by: jpstuhr | May 19, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

the problem I have with GMGM is that it seems to be first rounds or bust with him.

that will work in the NBA but in the NHL, you gotta be able to find some players in later rounds who can do more than just fill roster spots.

Posted by: joek443 | May 19, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

One last comment from me for now. I don't know about the rest of you but I was relieved to see the Backstrom deal get done, and so quickly. That allows the GMGM to sit back and look at the roster for a few weeks with Patrick and BB and decide who they want to pursue, and now know how much money they have available to pursue. We are speculating the future of a lot of players as far as in Caps uniforms. GMGM and his group already know which ones they are going to let walk which means they already know which holes they need to fill. It's fun to sit back and make suggestions. A lot stressful than snagging some guy and hoping he's not a bust. Good luck GMGM. You need luck to land the guy you really want, and then need more luck for it to pan out exactly as expected.

Posted by: fanohock1 | May 19, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

_Mark,

Thanks for that.....I did not realize he had proposed something already and my apologies my underpants....

Posted by: PhilR | May 19, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

LOL, that should read "to" underpants not "my" underpants.....I need to go take a nap!

Posted by: PhilR | May 19, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Isn't every draft pick selected just fill roster spots? Hopefully on the NHL squad.

Posted by: fanohock1 | May 19, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

@PhilR

I am 100% on boarad that those are the Caps needs. I just don't think they can get them all from outside the organization.

My plan:

Sign Volchenkov (D-man #1: D pairings being Poti/V-train; Schultz/Green; Alzner/Carlson)
Trade Flash for gritty 3rd or 4th liner(creates salary cap space by getting rid of the contract Flash would've received in arbitration)
Trade Erskine for a draft pick (probably 5th round. This creates salary cap space needed for Volchenkov)
Move MP up to 2nd line center
re-sign Belanger as 3rd liner center (only for about $1.75M)
Depending on how MP plays, look for veteran 2nd line center near the deadline.

Posted by: sgm3 | May 19, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

no problem. funny though.

Posted by: underpants2 | May 19, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

@Mark

that 2nd line underpant proposed sounds horrible! Laich and knuble are both net prescence players and neither have the skill to be areal danger outside the paint.

Semin is not only a gifted player who scored 40 goals (i admit he is a hedcase though), but he also forces other teams to not just focus on Ov and the 1st line. We need more than one gifted sharp shooting winger.

Posted by: capscoach | May 19, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Found this link over at Japers:

http://kdka.com/sports/penguins/Pittsburgh.Winter.Classic.2.1699370.html

Already booked a hotel just in case. Anybody know how much $ Winter Classic tix were going for in Boston last year?

Posted by: Fro_ | May 19, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Regarding a Wizards name change--I've always been partial to the Washington Scandal. The marketing opportunities would be priceless--and just think of the cheerleaders. Plus every new Washington scandal (I'm looking at you, Mark Souder) would be free publicity for the franchise. What's not to like?

Posted by: maalesh | May 19, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

@Fro

tickets in the outfield at wrigley 2 years ago were between 300-400

Posted by: _stevo | May 19, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Who really wants to go to Pittsburgh in January anyway? :)

Posted by: _Mark | May 19, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

@fanohock1 - agreed on MP, I think he should get a shot. You need the quick little guys like him. Our guys skate fast, but you need the little darters. He would've been a good antidote to Gomez, Gionta, et al.

I'm thinking he does get a shot.

Posted by: RedLitYogi | May 19, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I know this is incredibly far away but it looks like the perfect center to try to acquire at the next deadline, if the Caps need one, is Brad Richards.

He is in the last year of his contract ($7.8M) and the amount will likely keep any teams from going for him now. But, if the Caps create enough cap room that seems like the perfect player to try to acquire at the deadline. (assuming that Dallas will be looking to trade him, and considering their ownership issues I would think a contract extension may be slim)

Posted by: sgm3 | May 19, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

this is an interesting article from iihf
"Saying no to your country"
http://www.iihf.com/channels10/iihf-world-championship-wc10/news/news-singleview-world-championship/article/saying-no-to-your-country.html?tx_ttnews%5BbackPid%5D=4063&cHash=3e7dceb79e

its a little one-sided but i thought it was still a good read

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | May 19, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

"First line:
OV/Backs/Bertuzzi
Second Line:
Laich/(Trade/FA)/Knuble
Third Line:
Flas/Perrault/Fehr
Fourth Line:
Bradley/Steckel/Chimera"

Aside from the 4th line, this is one of the worst suggested lineups I have ever seen. Bertuzzi brings nothing that Knuble doesn't, Knuble and Laich on a line is a horrible idea, and that 3rd line... it would only be good on the rare occasion that Flash has a good game. I would love to see MP here next year - he might be able to fill the 2nd line center hole. With Semin and Laich, that would be a dangerous line.

Here is a much better forward lineup:

Ovie/Backs/Knuble
Semin/MP-(traded for/FA center)/Laich
Chimera/Belanger/Fehr
Bradley/Steckel/Gordon

Posted by: timmyv38 | May 19, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Here is a much better forward lineup:

Ovie/Backs/Knuble
Semin/MP-(traded for/FA center)/Laich
Chimera/Belanger/Fehr
Bradley/Steckel/Gordon

Posted by: timmyv38

Why would we resign Boyd Gordon? Why would we resign Belanger? These guys have proven they cannot help. Wouldn't Chimera be better on the 4th line.

How is this lineup better? It is pretty much the exact same lineup that failed to make it to the second round. Maybe you just don't understand the point of the exercise.

Posted by: underpants2 | May 20, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

I have reserved a room in Pittsburgh as well. As a season ticket holder I have wondered if we get any perks regarding getting ahold of tickets. Still don't know if I will be given an opportunity to snag 4 since I possess 4 at Verizon, but I found a Boston article from last year that should make fellow season ticket holders optimistic we will have an opportunity to purchase tickets. Refer to the last paragraph.

http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins/extras/bruins_blog/2009/08/registration_fo.html

Note the date. If things are done the way they were done last year season ticket holders look like they will have to wait until September or October to acquire tickets.

Posted by: fanohock1 | May 20, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Why would we resign Boyd Gordon? Why would we resign Belanger? These guys have proven they cannot help. Wouldn't Chimera be better on the 4th line.

How is this lineup better? It is pretty much the exact same lineup that failed to make it to the second round. Maybe you just don't understand the point of the exercise.

Posted by: underpants2 | May 20, 2010 8:09 AM |

Maybe you weren't watching the playoffs closely, but Gordon and Belanger both helped quite a bit. Gordon was the best PK man for the Caps during the playoffs, and Belanger was doing his job quite well - defensive play and faceoffs. Chimera could be a 4th liner, but it is generally better to have the 3rd line be a checking line. Honestly, Belanger could be replaced in that lineup by a gritty center without affecting it very much.

The one key difference between this lineup and the lineup this past season is the one spot that majorly failed - 2nd line center. Each of the last 2 years, the 2nd line has not worked because the Caps have not had a legit #2 center. When it comes to forwards, that is the one major change that needs to be made. What you don't understand is that the team doesn't need to be blown up, it just needs to be tweaked.

Posted by: timmyv38 | May 20, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Maybe you weren't watching the playoffs closely, but Gordon and Belanger both helped quite a bit. Gordon was the best PK man for the Caps during the playoffs, and Belanger was doing his job quite well - defensive play and faceoffs. Chimera could be a 4th liner, but it is generally better to have the 3rd line be a checking line. Honestly, Belanger could be replaced in that lineup by a gritty center without affecting it very much.

The one key difference between this lineup and the lineup this past season is the one spot that majorly failed - 2nd line center. Each of the last 2 years, the 2nd line has not worked because the Caps have not had a legit #2 center. When it comes to forwards, that is the one major change that needs to be made. What you don't understand is that the team doesn't need to be blown up, it just needs to be tweaked.

Posted by: timmyv38

Fedorov was the 2nd line center last year, pretty legit. Do you agree with that? Your suggesting we replace Fedorov with MP, and that is tweak enough. Gordon/Belanger/PK is awful, just awful. The playoffs ended 3 weeks ago, it hasn't gotten good since then. How did they help? If they are there to kill penalties, and the PK stinks, you need to go. We gave up a 2nd round pick for Belanger, arguably, he made the team worse.

To blame it on the 2nd line center is crazy. This team is broken. Take off the rose colored glasses for a minute and look.


You are also ignoring the Semin contract issue which is about to blow up in the Caps face. He goes into next year, ready to be ufa. He stays on the team, it will be a distraction until trade deadline. If we fail to deal him, he walks out the door for nothing. If you cannot get value for a 40 goal scorer as a gm, you are in the wrong business, there are only a handfull. He needs to go at the draft, period.

Posted by: underpants2 | May 20, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Things are so easy when using underpants2 logic. I'm going to give it a try.

It is clear Laich has to go. He has been on the team for more than a few years now and the Caps didn't get out of the first round. He also played on the PP which is broken. Since the PP is broken it must be blown up. Therefore, Laich clearly has to go.

In addition, using this brilliant logic, Backstrom and Ovie must go to. They have also been here and the Caps didn't get out of the 1st round this year. The PP was terrible and thus the only way to improve the PP is to get rid of every player on it. It is broken and must be blown up so Ovie and Backstrom must go.

Carlson must go also, he played in the entire playoff series and the Caps lost the series. Therefore he must have been bad and must go.

Bradley must go too. He was on the pk and has been on this team for a few years. The Caps lost in the first round this year so clearly Bradley must go.

Knuble must go too. The Caps got to the 2nd round without him and then lose in the 1st round with him. He is clearly a cancer on the team. He also played on the PK and PP in the playoffs so the Caps must get rid of him as soon as possible. Otherwise those areas will have no chance of improving. They are broken and must blown up.

Posted by: sgm3 | May 20, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

If you cannot get value for a 40 goal scorer as a gm, you are in the wrong business...

Posted by: underpants2 | May 20, 2010 10:26 AM


I like this.

And I am a GM supporter. I generally like what he has done. But the way he handles this next year- Alex Semin in particular- could overshadow most if not all, of the good AND bad decisions he has made in the past.

Posted by: Fro_ | May 20, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Fedorov was the 2nd line center last year, pretty legit. Do you agree with that? Your suggesting we replace Fedorov with MP, and that is tweak enough. Gordon/Belanger/PK is awful, just awful. The playoffs ended 3 weeks ago, it hasn't gotten good since then. How did they help? If they are there to kill penalties, and the PK stinks, you need to go. We gave up a 2nd round pick for Belanger, arguably, he made the team worse.

Posted by: underpants2 | May 20, 2010 10:26 AM

Maybe you didn't notice last year, but Federov wasn't the 2nd line center for parts of the regular season and playoffs. They pulled him up to the 1st line on occasion because the 2nd line wasn't working. As I said, for the last 2 seasons we haven't had a legit #2 center.

As for how Gordon helped on the PK - the PK outscored the PP, and he was involved in both of those goals. In the regular season and playoffs, when he was used on the PK (which wasn't very often), he was very good. As for Belanger - when did I mention him with the PK? I said "defensive play and faceoffs". The Caps have the right personnel for the PK, they need to fix their system and mindset on the PK. Especially, they need to pressure the other team more instead of sitting 5 feet back from whoever has the puck. And if you want to get someone off the PK, pull Poti off of it.

The team isn't broken, except in your little fantasy world. A broken team wouldn't have gotten the President's Trophy. They came up in the playoffs against one of the two teams who had a system designed to beat theirs. Not having a decent 2nd line center killed them because it made them into a 1-line scoring team - which meant that Montreal could focus their defense on the 1st line.

I'm not ignoring the Semin contract issue -he has already indicated he wants to stay with the team, and he is among the best scorers in the NHL. He will be a huge boost to the Caps in their playoff run next season, if they can get a decent #2 center. What you consistently miss with Semin is the fact that, when it comes to overall skill, he is the best player on the Caps. He is a fantastic shooter, the best puckhandler, strong on defense, and a good passer. The one move the Caps should not make is to trade him, unless they can get someone of similar goal-scoring ability.

Posted by: timmyv38 | May 20, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

And don't read my previous comment as- "GM must trade Semin".

He just needs to get value for him- be it through a contract extension or yes, a trade. What cannot happen is Semin plays through this year and enters free agency with out the Caps getting something substantial in return.

Posted by: Fro_ | May 20, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Things are so easy when using underpants2 logic. I'm going to give it a try.

It is clear Laich has to go. He has been on the team for more than a few years now and the Caps didn't get out of the first round. He also played on the PP which is broken. Since the PP is broken it must be blown up. Therefore, Laich clearly has to go.

In addition, using this brilliant logic, Backstrom and Ovie must go to. They have also been here and the Caps didn't get out of the 1st round this year. The PP was terrible and thus the only way to improve the PP is to get rid of every player on it. It is broken and must be blown up so Ovie and Backstrom must go.

Carlson must go also, he played in the entire playoff series and the Caps lost the series. Therefore he must have been bad and must go.

Bradley must go too. He was on the pk and has been on this team for a few years. The Caps lost in the first round this year so clearly Bradley must go.

Knuble must go too. The Caps got to the 2nd round without him and then lose in the 1st round with him. He is clearly a cancer on the team. He also played on the PK and PP in the playoffs so the Caps must get rid of him as soon as possible. Otherwise those areas will have no chance of improving. They are broken and must blown up.

Posted by: sgm3

sgm3 logic - everything is great, let's keeping self destructing in the playoffs.

The guys I mentioned have expired contracts. Everybody you mentioned has a contract in place. Why would you bring back guys with expired contracts that cannot help this team get over the hump? Why? Can you please give me a answer?

It is clear that our point if views differ, I am empty, you are full, I get that. The answer probably lies somewhere in the middle. But you cannot re-up guys that can not get it done. And by no means are these guys essential either.

Semin is a different story. His contract status is a big proble, but could ultimately provide the solution as well.

Posted by: underpants2 | May 20, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Caps blew a huge opportunity to be the center of attention this season. Next season, they will be competing with McNabb, Wall, Strasberg. But then, next season Leonsis will care about the Wizards, not the Caps so I guess it doesn't matter. Oh, and fixing the team, trade Semin for a cheaper two way player who can score twenty goals. For those who say how will they replace a forty goal scorer, I say they don't have to. Just improve the defense so that they give up twenty goals less and we're golden.

Posted by: poguesmahone | May 20, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Maybe you didn't notice last year, but Federov wasn't the 2nd line center for parts of the regular season and playoffs. They pulled him up to the 1st line on occasion because the 2nd line wasn't working. As I said, for the last 2 seasons we haven't had a legit #2 center.

As for how Gordon helped on the PK - the PK outscored the PP, and he was involved in both of those goals. In the regular season and playoffs, when he was used on the PK (which wasn't very often), he was very good. As for Belanger - when did I mention him with the PK? I said "defensive play and faceoffs". The Caps have the right personnel for the PK, they need to fix their system and mindset on the PK. Especially, they need to pressure the other team more instead of sitting 5 feet back from whoever has the puck. And if you want to get someone off the PK, pull Poti off of it.

The team isn't broken, except in your little fantasy world. A broken team wouldn't have gotten the President's Trophy. They came up in the playoffs against one of the two teams who had a system designed to beat theirs. Not having a decent 2nd line center killed them because it made them into a 1-line scoring team - which meant that Montreal could focus their defense on the 1st line.

I'm not ignoring the Semin contract issue -he has already indicated he wants to stay with the team, and he is among the best scorers in the NHL. He will be a huge boost to the Caps in their playoff run next season, if they can get a decent #2 center. What you consistently miss with Semin is the fact that, when it comes to overall skill, he is the best player on the Caps. He is a fantastic shooter, the best puckhandler, strong on defense, and a good passer. The one move the Caps should not make is to trade him, unless they can get someone of similar goal-scoring ability.

Posted by: timmyv38

timmyv38. If Fedorov was 1st line center, then Backstrom was on the second line, still doesn't make sense. Montreal scored pp goals in 6 of the 7 games. It ain't the system, it's the personel.

It is clear you are a homer, and have no objectivity. I am done arguing with you. Bring back everyone, it will all be fine, until next year when we win the Presidents Trophy and run into the wrong team again.

Posted by: underpants2 | May 20, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Caps blew a huge opportunity to be the center of attention this season. Next season, they will be competing with McNabb, Wall, Strasberg. But then, next season Leonsis will care about the Wizards, not the Caps so I guess it doesn't matter. Oh, and fixing the team, trade Semin for a cheaper two way player who can score twenty goals. For those who say how will they replace a forty goal scorer, I say they don't have to. Just improve the defense so that they give up twenty goals less and we're golden.

Posted by: poguesmahone

Nailed it.

Posted by: underpants2 | May 20, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and fixing the team, trade Semin for a cheaper two way player who can score twenty goals. For those who say how will they replace a forty goal scorer, I say they don't have to. Just improve the defense so that they give up twenty goals less and we're golden.

Posted by: poguesmahone | May 20, 2010 10:47 AM

It doesn't work that way. Here's the one thing you're missing: having a 40-goal scorer on the 2nd line means the other team has to focus on two lines when it comes to defense. That doesn't happen with a 20 goal scorer.

Posted by: timmyv38 | May 20, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

@underpants2

I do think the Caps need to make some changes.

Like adding a D-man (Volchenkov).
Adding a 2nd line center (difficult due to cap restrictions, I'm hopng MP could turn into a solid 2nd line center. He may, he may not, we will see, but I think it's worth a shot).
Adding a 3rd or 4th liner who is great on the PK, defense, and forechecking.

I'd be fine with getting rid of Steckel and/or Gordon and replacing them with younger, cheaper guys who may be just as good. IMO, they are not good enough players to be tied down to. I think Gordon could be good enough but his back problem is dicey and I wouldn't trust it.

I'd also be fine with replacing Bradley with a younger, cheaper version of him. Shawn Thornton made only $550k this year, Bradley made $1M. The difference isn't huge but it adds up. You can't have three 4th liners making a $1M+.

I'm assuming Flash will be traded to, for the quality 3rd or 4th liner I spoke of.

I would only get rid of Semin if the Caps acquired a quality center in a 1-for-1 trade. However, that is unlikely to happne. I would not trade Semin for a group of decent players (no roster spots available) nor would I trade him for draft picks/prospects. By not making those kinds of trades and letting him play out his contract is similar to acquiring a guy at the trade deadline who has an expiring contract. You are attempting to win the SC that year and you are using him in a role to win it. After the season the Caps can let Semin walk and use that open cap space to acquire other players or re-sign their own, or even re-sign him if they deem it prudent.

Posted by: sgm3 | May 20, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

It doesn't work that way. Here's the one thing you're missing: having a 40-goal scorer on the 2nd line means the other team has to focus on two lines when it comes to defense. That doesn't happen with a 20 goal scorer.

Posted by: timmyv38 | May 20, 2010 10:56 AM |


It does if you have three 20 goal scorers on that line. Laich is more than capable of putting up 20......new 2nd line center that can score 20 and another wing who can score 20......problem solved of not having that 40 goal scorer and guaranteed the opposition will concentrate on a line that puts up 60 goals combined.

Posted by: PhilR | May 20, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

under2: I'm going to disagree with you on Belanger. The Caps were up 3 games to 1 until he took the stick in the mouth. He was winning faceoffs at 70-80%. And I disagree on Chimera. He makes too much for 4th line duty. By trading Flash for a veteran, checking RW, we can make a very line 3rd (checking) line of Chimera-Belanger-New RW.

4th line has Bradley at RW. With 10 goals and $1M salary, that's value. Steckel needs to step up and earn his money. Gordo is OK at $700K as a 4th line winger. The 4th line isn't a problem is the checking line works.

This leads me to the top 2 lines, where we have Ovi, Backie, Knuble, Laich, Semin and Fehr (very adequate as a #2 RW). Five wingers and one center. The two options are make a winger a center or make a trade. I would make a trade. In the perfect world, you can sign Plekanec and then move Semin at the draft for picks and/or prospects. And, although I haven't done all the math, this seems to work from a salary cap standpoint as Plekanec takes Semin's salary and the gritty, checking RW takes Flash's. The only other thing we were trying to do, get Volchenkov, can work if you move Poti and Erskine (for anything) and then have some extra from the Semin for Plekanec.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | May 20, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

timmyv38. If Fedorov was 1st line center, then Backstrom was on the second line, still doesn't make sense. Montreal scored pp goals in 6 of the 7 games. It ain't the system, it's the personel.

It is clear you are a homer, and have no objectivity. I am done arguing with you. Bring back everyone, it will all be fine, until next year when we win the Presidents Trophy and run into the wrong team again.

Posted by: underpants2 | May 20, 2010 10:52 AM

You certainly know how to make posts with no point or logic. In 08-09, Backstrom occasionally had to be pulled down to the 2nd line or Semin had to be pulled up to the 1st line because we didn't have enough top 6 forwards. We had Ovie, Backs, Semin, and Laich. This season, we added Knuble, which stabilized the 1st line, but BMo wasn't much of a help on the 2nd line - especially in the playoffs.

As for the PK - that statement you made was idiotic. They scored PP goals in 6 of the 7 games, sure. How does that make it not the PK system's fault? When you look at players on the Caps roster, there are a few - such as Belanger - who have always excelled at the PK, but can't now. That's not personnel, that's the system.

And maybe you should read my posts, because I am not saying to bring everyone back. There are certain players that I have been saying should be cut loose. Let BMo go, let Flash go, let Jurcina go, let either ShaMo or Erskine go (preferably Erskine, ShaMo is much better). We need to bring in a strong dman, we need to fix the #2 center issue - preferably with a center who can PK well.

Posted by: timmyv38 | May 20, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

timmyv38: Case and point. Did any team in the league care about "shutting down" our 3rd line? For much of the season our 3rd line consisted of Flash and Fehr, sometimes even Laich if Flash got a shot at the 2nd line, and all three ended up with 20+goals.

We do in fact become a 1 line scoring threat team if Semin walks. Semin's $6mil is already in the budget. If he asks for .7mil more to make what Backstrom makes it would be worth it.

Posted by: fanohock1 | May 20, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

It doesn't work that way. Here's the one thing you're missing: having a 40-goal scorer on the 2nd line means the other team has to focus on two lines when it comes to defense. That doesn't happen with a 20 goal scorer.

Posted by: timmyv38 | May 20, 2010 10:56 AM |


It does if you have three 20 goal scorers on that line. Laich is more than capable of putting up 20......new 2nd line center that can score 20 and another wing who can score 20......problem solved of not having that 40 goal scorer and guaranteed the opposition will concentrate on a line that puts up 60 goals combined.

Posted by: PhilR | May 20, 2010 11:06 AM

If you could get a winger and center who are each 25-30 goal scorers (or a 20+ and 30+), that would work. However, the previous suggestion still wouldn't have - but your additions would make it feasible.

Posted by: timmyv38 | May 20, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Laich, Fehr and a "quality 2nd line center" could be counted on for 80 goals between them. That's a very nice second line.

Ovi, Backie and Knuble will give you 110-120 goals.

Chimera-Belanger-Checking RW don't need to score much if they stop the other team.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | May 20, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I'm actually kinda' over the loss we suffered this year. It's back to looking forward to next year's uphill battle. Any of us stupid enough to say that we're sick of them losing should learn to move on. By all means, you're entitled to your opinion. But let's save the rest of us from having to hear your whining because sadly, we don't have a mute button for ya'. Like it or lump it, some of us will stick around for some more Capitals hockey next year, the year after that and the year after that. Get off the Capitals bandwagon if you're no longer interested. You're taking up space!

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | May 20, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Maybe you didn't notice last year, but Federov wasn't the 2nd line center for parts of the regular season and playoffs. They pulled him up to the 1st line on occasion because the 2nd line wasn't working. As I said, for the last 2 seasons we haven't had a legit #2 center.

This is not entirely true. BB moved Fedorov because the top line wasn't working. BB felt that Backstrom was relying too much on Ovi, so he moved Backstrom to the 2nd line. So the team did have two legit scoring line centers.

Underpants does make a good point. You can't keep bringing back the same team and same coaching staff and wonder why nothing has changed. This team's problems do not go away just by getting rid of Flash and Semin and bringing in Volchenkov. This team lacks gritty forwards that can be difference makers in the playoffs. Ovi is the grittiest guy on the team, but he should not fill this role.

Why are people so convinced that Semin is planning to leave for a big payday? He re-upped with the team twice when others thought he was going to leave? He could have left for the KHL at the end of this season if he really wanted.

Russian guys,and probably Europeans in general, don't want to play in the AHL. Look at Johannson's contract, it's Caps or Sweden. This is probably why he ran back to Russia, presuming the military story is not true. Maybe Semin doesn't sign long term because he doesn't want to be stuck on a crappy team if he is traded.

Posted by: ablake70 | May 20, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

I love Plekanec and think he would be a great addition to the Caps, but I have a feeling he will be highly overpaid in free agency.

He is a very good player but he is not worth $6M/yr which is what he may end up getting, and it will probably be a lengthy contract also. It's those contracts that can end up killing a team.

If he signed for below $5M/yr, then yes, but I doubt that will happen.

Posted by: sgm3 | May 20, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

It does if you have three 20 goal scorers on that line. Laich is more than capable of putting up 20......new 2nd line center that can score 20 and another wing who can score 20......problem solved of not having that 40 goal scorer and guaranteed the opposition will concentrate on a line that puts up 60 goals combined.

Posted by: PhilR | May 20, 2010

Would guys like Flash and Laich be 20 goal scorers if they didn't play on a line with Semin? Would Fehr be a 20 goal scorer on the 2nd line with Laich and MP? I don't think so. I remember earlier in the season when the SOB line was together, there was very little scoring from the other lines. I think the elite talent is what makes the system work and playing with Ovi, Backs, Green, and Semin helps inflate some of the other guy's stats.

Posted by: ablake70 | May 20, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I'm actually kinda' over the loss we suffered this year. It's back to looking forward to next year's uphill battle. Any of us stupid enough to say that we're sick of them losing should learn to move on. By all means, you're entitled to your opinion. But let's save the rest of us from having to hear your whining because sadly, we don't have a mute button for ya'. Like it or lump it, some of us will stick around for some more Capitals hockey next year, the year after that and the year after that. Get off the Capitals bandwagon if you're no longer interested. You're taking up space!

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan

How wonderful for you. How dare we suggest something is wrong? How dare we suggest the team may need to improve?

Enjoy Fantasyland LeftCoast. Must be nice there. Spare me the self important BS though. I will state any opinion I want.

Posted by: underpants2 | May 20, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

It is clear you are a homer, and have no objectivity. I am done arguing with you. Bring back everyone, it will all be fine, until next year when we win the Presidents Trophy and run into the wrong team again.

Posted by: underpants2

It's also clear from your many posts that you have prefer to deal with failure by overreacting and saying that the team is broken and needs to be completely overhauled.

Obviously everyone on this team other than Ovi and now Backie are tradable at this point. Obviously at this point no one really knows which changes GMGM will make to the roster.

It is clear from GMGM's statements, however, that changes are going to be made, but that he will not be overhauling the team. I happen to agree. He must make roster changes, some significant. He must solve the legitimate 2nd center issue and consider at least a vet presence on the blueline. He has to figure out who to resign and who to trade.

But it is excessive to throw out the baby with the bathwater-sorry for the cliche.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | May 20, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

With regard to GMGM, while he has not yet built a team for the playoffs, you have to give him credit for constructing a team that will contend for the Cup for years to come. And they were the worst team in the league 5 years ago.

Now, he did get lucky with the Ovi pick, and did make some moves that were no brainers.

But you have to give him credit. Kind of like the way Reagan gets credit for ending the cold war. He didn't really do anything to accomplish that, he was just sort of there when it happened.

Posted by: hockeypuck1 | May 20, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Don't make this politcal hockeypuck1, but the cold war ended because Reagan had an arms race with the Soviet Union and the Soviets were convinced that Reagan had balls to back up his words. Please don't try to tell me if Jimmy Carter was in office everything would have played out the same way. Carter was considered a weak President that no opposing world leader feared would make the hard decisions.

Posted by: fanohock1 | May 20, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

ablake70: Actually, Eric Fehr had one of the higest percentages in the NHL last year for "goals scored per minutes played." And this was while "languishing" on the 3rd line. I am ready to predict he will score like 250-300 goals in the NHL over the next ten years. Laich had 25 goals last year and should do the same this year. No reason these guys won't do that if given a legitimate #2 center.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | May 20, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if anyone is watching the Can/Rus game right now- but they just had a great close up of Ott chatting with a Russian player before the face off.

I can only imagine what half a$$ Russian phrase he was mumbling.

Posted by: Fro_ | May 20, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

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