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Second Day Notes and Quotes

*With their first pick in the second round, the Caps selected lanky defenseman Eric Mestery of Tri-City at No. 57. (Remember they dealt No. 54 yesterday). Scouting reports describe the 6 foot 5, 195 pound native of Winnipeg as "unspectacular" but as a potentially steady and reliable player at the NHL level.

*With the very next pick, No. 58, the Caps chose skilled Russian winger Dmitri Kugryshev, a player scouting reports say needs to play more physical and improve his speed, but is a hard worker and possesses good ice vision. Kugryshev (5-11, 183) had 29 goals and 29 assists for CSKA-2 last season and helped Russia to the bronze medal at the world juniors.

*With the 93rd pick (fourth round) the Caps selected goaltender Braden Holtby. Athletic and quick at 6 foot 1, 205-pounds, Holtby played for Saskatoon of the WHL last season, posting a 2.84 GAA and .908 save percentage. Projecting goalies, though, is definitely the hardest thing scouts do. In fact, it will probably will be a few years before anyone has a clue whether Holtby will develop into an NHL netminder.

*In the fifth round (144th), the Caps took two-way center Joel Broda of Moose Jaw (WHL). NHL Central Scouting says of the 6-0, 196 Saskatchewan native: "Needs to work on his consistency and play with intensity on every shift - has the tools to be a pro but must use them. He skates well and has good speed. He is certainly big enough to play the role of a power-forward centerman."

*The Caps finished up by taking a pair of wingers in the sixth and seventh rounds -- Greg Burke (174th) and Stefan Della Rovere (204th).

*The Kings selected St. Cloud State's Garrett Roe, a native of Vienna, Va., in the seventh round (183rd overall).

*McPhee said he received a number of offers for his second round picks -- and even took a timeout to consider the proposals.

"There was a lot going on." he said. "One team offered a prospect. Another team offered a minor league player that has a chance, and someone else offered picks next year. But we had two players there that we wanted to pick and who were more valuable than what was being offered."

*With their first three picks -- Gustafsson, Carlson and Mestery -- McPhee said he and his staff hit their target. "I'm more than satisfied," he said. "The first three players we acquired were the players we wanted."

*McPhee also that many teams were hesitant to take a Russian player up high because of the lack of a transfer agreement. But he felt that Kugryshev was well worth the risk.

"We thought he may have gone somewhere in the first round, but instead he went in the second," McPhee said.

*No news to report on the Huet negotiations, but this figures to be a pivotal week in the talks for a number of players. So stay tuned.

*Also, I will be in and out over the next 72 hours. But as always, I'll update with any breaking news.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  June 21, 2008; 10:39 AM ET
 
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Comments

first....Jeff Schultz redux

Posted by: opus | June 21, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Of course, Deschamps and Ness were taken within the next 10 picks.

Does anyone have more information on our two new boys today?

Posted by: DrinkingPartner | June 21, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I like that russian once he develops he could make a great linemate to ovie but Mestery meh, im not too sure about that one we dont need unspectacular defense

Posted by: AScaps28 | June 21, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Steve R | June 21, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Cool, just what we need...an unspectacular D-man. We can never have enough of those.

Posted by: Jill | June 21, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

What y'all think of the Phoenix Fla trade? Both of the D-men are only under contract through the end of next season, though Ballard will still be RFA. Does Fla have any point scoring youngsters waiting in the wings or are they going to be a booring as he@@ NJ style defensive team?

Posted by: Steve R | June 21, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Long time no see huh?

4 93 WSH
(from LAK) BRADEN HOLTBY Sep 16, 1989 LLOYDMINSTER, SK CA 6' 1" 205 WHL SASKATOON G

Round 4 brings us a Goalie.

Posted by: CapsCorndog | June 21, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

@ Steve R

I gotta say, the Florida Panthers got worked over on that deal. If they wanted to deal their captain so badly, they should have done it at the deadline and got some real value. The Coyotes are clear winners in this deal, Boynton has never truly established himself, and Ballard while solid isn't enough to compensate for Jokinen. This deal was a head scratcher.

I think the Caps draft thus far has been relatively solid. Young Gus and Carlson should hopefully be contributing in a few years time. Rookie camp should be exciting for those of you who can watch. I would, but I'll be working all week, so I expect updates!

I'm hoping for news of Huet this week, Green's status won't be known until the first or second of July

Posted by: CapsCorndog | June 21, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

How are the young goalies, particularly the pair of Russians, already in the Caps' system developing? In the AHL the Bears will need some goaltending help and even if we sign Huet (I'm praying) he is no spring chicken and the team needs a successor sooner rather than later.

Posted by: noptov52 | June 21, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

"How are the young goalies, particularly the pair of Russians, already in the Caps' system developing?"

Varlamov is the Capitals only Russian goalie prospect. Machesney and Dunn Canadian; Euvirth is Czech.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Ahh, my apologies - I mistakenly thought Neuvirth was Russian.

Posted by: noptov52 | June 21, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

The Mesery pick was curious, I guess. I assume they are following the Detroit model of building a corps of NHL ready defensement in the minors. I suppose if you buy into the "it takes all kinds" mentality it makes sense. I don't see him as a Schultz clone. I am not sure on this, but I seem to remember that Schultz was rated around 15-20 and slipped to GMGM at 27. Mesery is rated nowhere near that high, at least in nothing I have seen. He was outside the TSN top 60 for whatever that may be worth.

Holtby was inside that top 60, so since GMGM always takes at least one goalie, he probably figured Holtby was to good to pass on.

Posted by: Old Bob | June 21, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Re: The Russian. It seems inconceivible that they did not talk extensively to him to get an attitude check at the lease. I say this considering the guys from Russia they passed on. Apparently they must believe they got a guy who will show up on cue ready to play.

Posted by: Old Bob | June 21, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

The Russian kid had 29 goals in 30-something games over there. Sounds promising.

Posted by: Jordan | June 21, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Ask McPhee about Huet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: GermanCapitalsFan | June 21, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if GMGM actually talked to Huet's agent as planned?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Tarik thanks for the long hours and constant updates!!! All of us really do appriciate it

Posted by: mike b | June 21, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Jordan: He wasn't playing in the Super League.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Hossa is apparently looking at free agency. Pittsburgh lost in the finals and gave up the following for Hossa and Dupuis: Pick 29 (Pittsburgh to Atlanta): Pittsburgh traded RW Colby Armstrong, C Erik Christensen, C Angelo Esposito and its 1st-round pick in the 2008 Entry Draft to Atlanta for RW Marian Hossa and RW Pascal Dupuis (Feb. 26, 2008).
Yikes. If all they're left with is Dupuis, man, that would suck.
Heh.


Posted by: oo7 | June 21, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and thanks Tarik. Have fun.

Posted by: oo7 | June 21, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Let's see what we got. From Scouting.

Anton Gustafsson, Center (Round 1/21st overall)

Scouting Report: Rated third among Swedes, and fifth among all Europeans, in Central Scouting's final rankings of International skaters, he is the son of former NHLer/current Swedish national team coach Bengt-Ake Gustafsson... missed the 2008 IIHF World Under-18 Championships because of a back injury, but produced 10 goals and 23 points in 23 games with Frolunda's junior squad in 2007-08... has a very projectable frame, solid offensive acumen, two-way savvy and the aggressiveness that should translate well in the North American pro game... has so far appeared in just one game in the Elitserien...

Impact: Gustafsson is not just a feel-good story heading to Washington, as the son of former Caps start Bengt Gustafsson, but he's also a very solid addition to the emerging Caps organization. In a few years, Gustafsson could replace fellow Swede Michael Nylander as the team's second-line center--behind countryman Nicklas Backstrom. This is a solid pick, but one that will require patience on the part of Washington management.

Posted by: Greg S. | June 21, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

John Carlson, Defense (1/27)

Scouting Report: A product of the New Jersey Rockets program in the Metropolitan Junior Hockey League, he spent the 2007-08 campaign with the Ice. He committed to the University of Massachusetts for 2008-09 but will instead play for the OHL's London Knights... has excellent size and a big shot from the point. He's also adept at quarterbacking his team's power play, which adds to his stock... is considered somewhat of a project, especially since he needs to improve his skating... as a rookie in the USHL, he led Indiana's defensemen with 12 goals and 43 points in 59 games...

Impact: The Capitals have stockpiled early picks on defensemen for a few years now, but not all have panned out. Therefore, they will continue in the same vein. In Carlson, they add a high-end prospect who will need a few years of development time. He's headed to the OHL's London Knights, so Washington hopes he can develop into an all-around stud. He's several years away.

Posted by: Greg S. | June 21, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Eric Mestery, Defense (2/57)

Scouting Report: At 6-5, 195 pounds, he has the projectable frame and defensive game to eventually become a valuable shutdown defender at the National Hockey League level... in his second WHL campaign, he produced 16 points and a plus-9 rating in 71 games for the Americans... in order to maximize his potential as a stay-at-home type, he must become a little more aggressive in the defensive zone... doesn't take a lot of shots, so he will never become a big scorer in the pro ranks... is the type of bottom-pairing blueliner every NHL team needs...

Posted by: Greg S. | June 21, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Dmitri Kugryshev, Right Wing (2/58)

Scouting Report: The diminutive winger dominated the Russian third division with 58 points in 35 games for CSKA Moscow's second team in 2007-08... suffered a serious shoulder injury in the third game of the 2008 IIHF World Under-18 Championships. Prior to the injury, he played well and produced two goals, three points and a plus-2 rating... the shoulder is cause for some concern, as is his lack of size at only 5-11, 183 pounds... is a gifted goal-scorer and shifty playmaker all in one... is considered somewhat of a wild card...

Posted by: Greg S. | June 21, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Braden Holtby, Goal (4/93)

Scouting Report: In 64 games as the starter in Saskatoon, he posted a respectable 25-29-8 mark, plus a 2.84 goals-against average and .908 save percentage in 2007-08... at 6-1, 205 pounds, he has good size and a lot of late-blooming potential... was rated fourth among North American goaltenders in Central Scouting's final rankings... has already proven capable of logging a lot of minutes between the pipes at the junior level, but must show the same ability once he turns pro... is considered a draft-day sleeper at the goaltending position...
W -L -T SO GAA SV%
25-29-2 1 2.84 .908

Posted by: Greg S. | June 21, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Joel Broda, Center (5/144)

Scouting Report: After beginning his third WHL campaign with the Tri-City Americans, he was traded to the Warriors and wound up finishing fourth on the club with 50 points in 70 games with his new team in 2007-08... he also uses his size effectively, as his 74 penalty minutes in 73 total regular-season games suggests... was rated 70th among North American skaters in Central Scouting's final rankings... has solid goal-scoring potential but needs to improve his distribution skills in order to maximize his upside as a scoring center...

Posted by: Greg S. | June 21, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Time to ROCK OUT WITH YOUR C$CK OUT! LETS GO CAPS

Posted by: ZMAN | June 21, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

There's no scoop on the last two; Greg Burke, Left Wing (6/174), or Stefan Della Rovere, Left Wing (7/204).

Chances of 5th to 7th round actually making it to the NHL is slim.

Posted by: Greg S. | June 21, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and Hossa's broken off talks with the Pens. Who saw that one coming? All of us?

Posted by: Greg S. | June 21, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

And just in case things didn't get bad enough in Pittsburgh, Malkin will be offered the equivalent of $15M a year to play in Russia. But know that the source is the Toronto Sun - exactly the Post.

Posted by: Greg S. | June 21, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Stefan Della Rovere is a middleweight fighter\undersized enforcer type. For his resume, see his fights on Youtube. (He has at least a half dozen there, all dominating wins. At his size, however, he's unlikely to be quite so successful a fighter at the NHL level)

Posted by: I like Laich and Fehr is Fair | June 21, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Greg S. needs to get a life

Posted by: Danny | June 21, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

seems to me that Greg S. has a life...a hockey life. Afterall hockey IS life. Keep your personal attacks to yourself.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

or a girlfriend

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a girlfriend. And I don't have a life. My life is compiling stats and feeding you useless information.

Posted by: Greg S. | June 21, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Nice work Greg (don't mind the idiots).

I actually heard from a Pitts fan (not sure how reliable) that Malkin turned down a 20M/year 6 year contract in Russia, but they're looking at signing Hossa at 8M/year, and Malkin at 8.5/year next year.

With the salary cap approaching 60M, that might not be too far-fetched.


Posted by: mauree | June 21, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Screw Malkin and Hossa i want more mindless speculation on Huet and Fedorov!!

Posted by: DC FURY | June 21, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Mauree leave your mom's basement and have a beer.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

What's with the hostility on here? There's no need to call someone out for knowing more about hockey then you do. The fact that you can't tell the difference between fighting and offsides doesn't make you superior to anyone else on here.

Posted by: DC FURY | June 21, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Must be a Pittsburgh fan, Mauree. Anyway, I work at a job, I work at my job and I follow hockey. What life? Maybe he's right. But not a girlfriend. My wife wouldn't appreciate that.

Posted by: Greg S. | June 22, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

hey, why did GMGM think Kugryshev might go in the 1st rnd when the scouting on him didnt even put him in the top 60?


Posted by: oo7 | June 22, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Well, I work at a job for 8 hours, and then I work at my company for another 8, then I follow hockey. Maybe I do need a life. But not a girlfriend. My wife wouldn't like that so much.

Posted by: Greg S. | June 22, 2008 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Out of shear boredom, I decided to try a very un-scientific experiment in numbers with high scoring defensemen. I took the top 21 scoring defensemen with at least 72 games played. Using a scale ranking each player 1 thru 21 in 10 different categories (231 total points per category), I tried to distinguish the best overall blueliner based offensive and defensive stats with players of the same ilk. The player with the lowest number ranks best.

Categories are: Goals, Assists, Points, plus minus, time on ice, hits, blocks, giveaways, takeaways, and giveaway/takeaway ratio.

Here are the rankings:
1. Phanuef 5.6 - $6.5M
2. Gonchar 7.2 - $5.0M
3. Chara 8.2 - $7.5M
4. Markov 8.9 - $5.75M
5. Lidstrom 9.4 - $7.45M
6. Pronger 9.5 - $6.25
7. Green 9.95 - RFA
7. Rosival 9.95 - UFA
8. Burns 10.3 - $3.55M
9. Kubina 10.5 - $5.0M
9. Streit 10.5 - UFA
10. Ralfalski 11.0 - $6.0M
11. Campbell 11.4 - UFA
12. Zidlicky 11.6 - $3.35M
13. Jovanovski 11.8 - $6.5M
14. Corvo 12.1 - $2.625M
15. Timonen 12.8 - $6.33M
16. Kaberle 13.9 - $4.25
17. Visnovski 14.8 - $5.65M
18. Redden 15.5 - UFA
19. Whitney 16.4 - $4.0M

Posted by: JSchon | June 22, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Jeez, Jschon, you really are bored. Dude, I need a number of things done around my house and yard... I'll let you talk hockey to me the whole time. Let me know. THis place needs a clean up. (Moneypenny's coming over and I'm thinking of hittin it).


Posted by: oo7 | June 22, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the info Greg S.

What do you think of Florida getting mugged in that trade?

Posted by: Steve R | June 22, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm definitely not a penguins fan, but if malkin really did turn down 20 million, he's an idiot.
judging by some of these prospects' facebooks, they'll fit in great with the young partyboy capitals. mestery only has pictures of him partying. :]

Posted by: mae | June 22, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

You know, after looking at Jschon's list again, and knowing the price range that it likely lands in, I'd say that Wade Redden would be a very good pick up for the Caps. What say you all?


Posted by: oo7 | June 22, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Steve:
Mugged implies that they were taken advantage of - I think it was just a stupid move. But then again, I'm not a GM, so what do I know? Regardless, I would love to know the thought process that went into that one ...

BTW, I was happy to read that Huet is only looking for 3 years - I was afraid that he would insist on 5 and that that would be the deal breaker. I am much more confident now that we will sign him.

Posted by: Boo! | June 22, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Redden aint gonna be cheap... and he aint young... and he isnt complete according to my list...

Posted by: JSchon | June 22, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I'd take Brad Stuart as well, in a flash, if the WIngs opted to let him go and he really became available.

Posted by: oo7 | June 22, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I agree Boo, three years is great news. Hopefully by that time either Varlamov or Neuvirth (or both) will be more than ready.

I'm not going to miss seeing Olli 8 times a year.

Posted by: Steve R | June 22, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

oo7, but how much is Wade asking for? If he wants a match of his current 6.5m, I'd stay far away from him.

Posted by: Steve R | June 22, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Maybe not complete, but Chara, Lidstrom, Phaneuf and the like aren't available. I'd take Stuart over Redden ideally, but I wouldn't mind Redden. All in all, i want a physical monster more than an offensive type. We have great offense. We need punishing power. Yes?


Posted by: oo7 | June 22, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Reddens (and Stuarts) upcoming salaries:

Thats just it, 6.5+ is a lot. Stuart will bring in 6 i bet; either way, an elite dman requires money and we have to choose from the UFA's available, if not going the trade route.


Posted by: oo7 | June 22, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Steve:
Exactly - should be just enough time to get the youngins up (and, if not, surely Huet will be up for another year or two, if we have not signed anyone better).

RE: FLA, yes - their loss is our gain! ;-)

So what's the general thought been about Steve leaving? He may not have been the best Dman ever, but I must say that I like him better than Flash. I hope Flash beefs up this summer ...

Posted by: Boo! | June 22, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Boo-

In Steve's first game (or one of the first) the Caps played Toronto. Sundin went in on a rush and Emmy kept up with him, fully extended, tapped the puck of the tip of Sundins long reach and spun around robbing Mats of a primal scoring chance. It was a brilliant defensive effort.

He never did anything close to that again until his little spin o rama move 2 seasons ago.

He never did anything again anywhere close to that.

He'll be decent one day i think, but the sun will be rising elsewhere.


Posted by: oo7 | June 22, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I seriously doubt GMGM goes into the FA market at all this summer...

Posted by: JSchon | June 22, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I dont think he should or needs too IMO.

Posted by: JSchon | June 22, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

@ Tarik:

You gave local prospect Garrett Roe a mention and I commend you for it. (as a birthyear 88, he is almost old enough to legally drink, I think). I'd like to mention local boy Adam Comrie (born in Canada, but raised in here since age 8) was taken by FLA as the 3rd round 80th pick overall. He is barely old enough to vote and has played for the CBHL Reston Raiders, Ashburn Xtreme and Montgomery Blue Devils. As a defensmen last year in the OHL, he scored 28 points in 58 games. Still, I think he may need a good talking to, as he lists his favorite player as Sidney Crosby on NHL.com.

Posted by: WAS vp | June 22, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Sign the free agents, infuse some of the younger guys... play the whole season with Huet/Johnson and BB. Make a move or 2 at the trade deadline if needed.

That's the recipe.

Posted by: JSchon | June 22, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Jschon- so you're Ok with the blue line the way it is? Or are you thinking trade?


Posted by: oo7 | June 22, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

oo7

I think the defense played like crap during the playoffs with the exception of Green and Eminger (for the most part)...

During the middle and end of the season the defense was pretty good. The goaltending was awful until mid January.

Green/Morrisonn are a good pair...
Poti/Alzner/Schultz can be pretty good...
that leaves Erskine, Lepisto and Jurcina to fill in the blanks...

I'm ok with that unless they regress from last year. Then make a move for someone at the deadline.

I think the defense will be fine with more experience.

Posted by: JSchon | June 22, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

We still need at least one solid, seasoned DMan ...

Eminger was not the answer, but he was better than Flash (not to say that that will be the case in a year or two). Regardless, even if he had not been traded (which, BTW, was no surprise), we would still need a real S@H guy.

Posted by: Boo! | June 22, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I am losing my mind - I am saying Flash - I mean Schultz.

Posted by: Boo! | June 22, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Jschon-

Green/Morrisonn are a good pair...

Agreed. That said, I'd like Green with, say, Stuart and Mo with Lepisto/Alzner OR Green/Mo and Stuart (physical D)/Alzner or Lepisto.

That Leaves Poti and one more guy, either Schultz or Erskine as the 6th.

Jurcina isn't strong enough. Erskine isn't very mobile. One or the other, not both. I'd keep Erskine.

Just my two cents. I think if the pick up a stud they'll have 2 rock solid pairings for a playoff run.


Posted by: oo7 | June 22, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

@JSchon

That is very interesting research. Especially with Green up there, I didn't expect that.

Could you please post somewhere the full table with the stats you mentioned? That would be great. And also the formula you used to make the final list.

@Mae
Assuming it was 16M/6 years (the 20M is just a rumor I heard) it's not so stupid to turn it down.
1) I think the ultimate goal of all the players is to play in the NHL.
2) What happens after 6 years? If he develop his potential here there's a chance he could get even more monay in the long term.


Posted by: mauree | June 22, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Steve R.

I actually think both came out great. The d-man FLA picked up will be a bruiser for sure. He hits hard and frequently. The other is a WIP (Work In Process), but had pretty good d-skills, too.

Phoenix gets a star player to mentor their young kids, and put fannies in seats. He can also score, as we well know.

I think both teams made out pretty good.

Posted by: Greg S. | June 22, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

@mauree

I found the stats at NHL.com... http://www.nhl.com/nhlstats/app?formids=PropertySelection%2CPropertySelection_0%2CPropertySelection_1%2CPropertySelection_2%2CPropertySelection_3%2CPropertySelection_4%2CPropertySelection_5%2CSubmit&component=reportBuilder.%24SimpleForm&page=Home&service=direct&submitmode=&submitname=&PropertySelection=0&PropertySelection_0=0&PropertySelection_1=0&PropertySelection_2=5&PropertySelection_3=0&PropertySelection_4=0&PropertySelection_5=0&Submit=Get+Stats

You can find the stats on hits/blocks/giveaways/takeaways here...
http://www.nhl.com/nhlstats/app?fetchKey=20082ALLDADAll&page=Stats&service=page&viewName=rtssPlayerStats

I choose to use 21 of the top scoring defensemen...

So you rank every player 1 thru 21 depending on where they rank within that category, 1 being the best, 21 the worst. That means each category will have to have 231 points total, 1+2+3+4...+20+21=231. Ties within a category would work as follows...

player 1 = 18 goals = 1
player 2 = 17 goals = 2.5
player 3 = 17 goals = 2.5
player 4 = 16 goals = 4
player 5 = 15 goals = 6
player 6 = 15 goals = 6
player 7 = 15 goals = 6
player 8 = 14 goals = 8

etc...

Since there were 10 categories, you add all the points given to each player individually and divide by 10 giving you their average ranking.

ie...

Mike Green
Goals = rank 1st = 1
Assist = rank tied 10th = 10.5
Points = rank 7th = 7
+/- = rank 10th = 10
TOI = rank 12th = 12
Hits = rank 6th = 6
Blocks = rank 18th = 18
Giveaways = rank 19th = 19
Takeaways = rank 4th = 4
GA/TA ratio = rank 12th = 12

99.5/10 = 9.95 average

Posted by: JSchon | June 22, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

JSchon

That was an interesting list you came up with. I'd love to see how you weighted each of the stats to come up with your scores.

I saw in the paper a few weeks ago about a method of valuing baseball players based upon a crock load of variables. Frankly, I put a $0 value on them, but the process is intriguing. I'd love to develop one for hockey.

Posted by: Greg S. | June 22, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I dont know if Billy Bean developed the formula but there is a stat now that is highly regarded in a players OPS, that actually has more relevance than OBA.

I didnt weigh any stat greater than the other. All equal. One stat that I didnt use was age. In that scenario Green moves to 5th.

Posted by: JSchon | June 22, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

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