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Theodore Gets the Day Off

Katie Carrera reports from practice:

Jose Theodore was given today off, so Brett Leonhardt is serving as the second goaltender in practice today. Sergei Fedorov and Donald Brashear are the only skaters not on the ice.

By Lindsay Applebaum  |  March 13, 2009; 11:50 AM ET
 
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Stretch has the best job in the world..... other than having 100 mph pucks come flying towards him

Posted by: Don-Ald | March 13, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

If I had Brett's job, no worries. I wouldn't even see the pucks and they'd either 1) end up harmlessly in the net, or 2) just thump unexpectedly off some part of my body.

Posted by: saintex | March 13, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

From previous *and previous* thread - Yes, if you get the puck first on the breakaway, it is no penalty, even if the player subsequently trips.

The problem with the Green call in that game is he was called for tripping, not hooking. I don't recall him hooking either, but he clearly got the puck first, same as Ovechkin did last night. It was a bad call.

Oh - and I did get a response from the NHL Officials Association about that play where Theodore got called for "roughing" the guy who took his knees out from under him:

This would be "No Goal"!! The goalkeeper was prevented from properly playing his position. I also doubt if I would call any penalty on the goalkeeper as the player was the one who initiated the contact and caused the goalkeeper to fall on top of him. This is a situation where you have to use good judgment. Did the goalkeeper just fall on top of the player or did he take advantage of his fall to give a shot to the player? Hope this helps.

Posted by: irockthered | March 13, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

@IRHR from the previous,

Would it matter to the ref if the dude were Scott Hartnell? Just wondering. (Thanks for the hair, Scott. - disclaimer)

Posted by: saintex | March 13, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

On the disallowed goal by Flash last night: it was different than the goal in Game 7 last season. In Game 7, a Cap defender (I don't remember who) was checked into Huet by a Flyer so it was Cap on Cap before the goal. Last night, Nylander was chucked by a Flyer into the Flyer goal so it was Cap on Flyer. I think last season the ruling was that if you take out your own goalie, checked or not, there's no interference. But, if you take out the opposition goalie, for any reason, it'd be no goal. Does that make sense? I'll let Red sort it out with her official pal...

Posted by: saintex | March 13, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

As for Scott Hartnell - I respect him the same way I would think non-Caps fans would have respected Dale Hunter. You only hate him because he's effective. If Hartnell were on the Caps, everyone here would be singing his praises.

Posted by: tominfl1 | March 13, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

That's IRTR, not IRHR.

Posted by: saintex | March 13, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl,

That is very true. There was a very interesting post at Cheap Seats earlier this week about the Caps fans v Pens fans. The comments were even better. Anyway, the reason any fan hates/dislikes any other player is because they're a rival - nothing more, or less. It's perfectly natural. Swap sweaters and I'd think totallly different about a lot of players. Fortunately, my favorite sports player - Ryne Sandberg - never changed teams. That would have been hard. Imagaine if AO ended his career somewhere else....

Posted by: saintex | March 13, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Last night Locker said that the salary cap is no longer in effect during the playoffs...
Does that mean the caps could bring up both Pothier and Alzner if they wanted?

Posted by: tURBO8 | March 13, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

saintex: Someone said it was Morrisonn who hit Huet. The inference is that the check on Morrisonn by whichever Flyer must have been legal. Therefore Morrisonn falling into the goalie falls under "_hit happens." Now, with Nyles, the inference must be that the Flyer check on him was legal...and you can't interefere with the goalie...so if someone checks you legally, and you fall into the other goalie, you are responsible, but not as a penalty, just as incidental interference. The bottom line being you can't use a legal check by your opponent as your reason to take out his goalie. That kind of makes sense. The crosscheck that nullified the Flyer goal was shown on TV from the camera behind the net, and that was a very good call (although Flyers would have likely scored anyway w/o the penalty).

Posted by: tominfl1 | March 13, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

@tURBO8

yes, indeed it does. And Clark if he's ready to come off LTIR

Posted by: sirbobalew | March 13, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Then I applaud GMGM even more for not making a deadline deal.
Let's hope Pots can get his feet back

Posted by: tURBO8 | March 13, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

@tom,

Yeah, there wasn't much doubt on the cross check on Schultz. I didn't really have any issue with the no goal call on Flash's shot. You state it well when you say that as long as it's a legal check, you're on your own to control your response.

Posted by: saintex | March 13, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

tURBO8: Yes, anyone on the roster as of the trade deadline (that makes a list of 50 players). There are limits for how many can be active at one time (I think the 23-man limit is still in force for the playoffs). You can also make call-ups for injured players, the injured player I'd imagine than having to be deactivated for ?? at least a week??

saintex: It was awful for me when first Frank Robinson got traded, then Don Baylor and, finally, Eddie Murray. That was my succession of favorite players. I guess I don't care enough about baseball anymore to have a favorite player since Murray was traded after the '88 season. Ciccarelli became my favorite (traded in an awful deal), then Big Al Iafrate (traded), then Peter Bondra (you guessed it) and finally, now, I can live out my declining years, hopefully, with Ovechkin never going anywhere.

Posted by: tominfl1 | March 13, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't here during the Bondra years but I know he was hugely popular. The pointed out the other night that Laich came over in the Bondra trade and it struck me as a pretty good trade - business wise - for the Caps. I happen to want Brooks to be the next captain, he's 25, plays hard, and will clearly play many years in exchange for an aging star. Even though Bondra leaving probably hurt, what was the feeling back then when the trade was made?

Posted by: saintex | March 13, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Ciccarelli being traded was awful. Losing Scott Stevens was even worse. I could never hate either one of them though, because it seemed that they both wanted to stay here and we just got rid of them (in large part because of the limo incident, I'm sure). On the other hand, I'm a Red Sox fan, and our once-beloved Johnny Damon defecting to the Yankees was one of the worst betrayals in recent memory. I, along with most of Red Sox Nation, loathe the guy.

Posted by: capsfan26 | March 13, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I also want to give props to the Flyers fans last night. That A-Hole chant was so loud, I'm gonna bet every 6-10 year old in the building was yelling it with middle fingers extended.

There are tribes in the hills of Pakistan that have a better outlook on life then those people.

Posted by: SA-Town | March 13, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Saintex,

Go to the caps message board and pull up the 50,000 post thread on the bondra trade.

When you're finished reading it (probably next week), you'll have a pretty good sense of fan opinion.

It was a messy end, with blame going all around about why he didn't re-sign with the club the year following the trade.

Something this club still struggles with is how best to deal with long tenured popular players at the end of their careers.

Posted by: stormblue | March 13, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Caps got Laich and a #2 pick in 2004 for Bondra. I'm guessing it's the one used to take Mikhail Yunkov (sp?).

Check out Bondra's stats:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Bondra

He led the league in goal scoring for the 94-95 (actually, 95 only) season...while having a SINGLE DIGIT number of assists.

Has it ever happened before in NHL history that the leading goal scorer had less than 10 assists?

Posted by: tominfl1 | March 13, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

SA-town: So you're saying basically the Flyers could relocate to Tehran and the crowd would have about the same behavior?

Posted by: tominfl1 | March 13, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Something this club still struggles with is how best to deal with long tenured popular players at the end of their careers.

Posted by: stormblue | March 13, 2009 12:39 PM

-----I don't think McPhee struggles at all. I think he tells the player thanks, been great, see ya.

Posted by: tominfl1 | March 13, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Ha, Bondra's low assists were a combo of him being just an average passer and the fact that those teams had no other goal scorers on them.

A bulk of the 90's teams were built around a defense first/plumber mentality + Bondra. There was never a legit secondary scoring option - he carried the Caps offense until they brought in Oates and Juneau.

Posted by: stormblue | March 13, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Where's Neuvirth?

Posted by: Trixie1 | March 13, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Yes,

From now on they are known to me as the Tehran Flyers.

Posted by: SA-Town | March 13, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

saintex:
it was saddening to watch the team be dismantled. every skilled/popular player, except kolzig, was let go/given away - at least that's how it seemed while it was happening. i think kolzig would have been gone too - if the org thought the offer was good enough.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | March 13, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

@trixie, Neuwirth is the first goalie and Brett the second at practice.

Posted by: saintex | March 13, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

So, Bondra's gone but the team has Laich and Bondra only played 120 games after the trade. If you were to remove the pain of a legend leaving, hockeywise, it's worked out pretty well, no? I was just wondering in the original question of Brooks turning out to be pretty good, and young, alleviates any of the pain.

Posted by: saintex | March 13, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

irockthered,

Are you sure that if you hit the puck and trip the guy, that you don't get a penalty? Or, is that by popular belief?

I mean, a trip is a trip... does it matter if the player hits the puck or not? I think these types of penalties are not really defined... it's like diving. Which one was it - a dive or a trip/hook/crosscheck? Don't call both - it's obviously one or the other. I think the first time I saw only a diving call was the Canes vs Chicago game... I was shocked.

Posted by: _828 | March 13, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

it was saddening to watch the team be dismantled. every skilled/popular player, except kolzig, was let go/given away - at least that's how it seemed while it was happening. i think kolzig would have been gone too - if the org thought the offer was good enough.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | March 13, 2009 12:58 PM

True... but aren't you glad you stuck with the team even through all of that? I definitely feel like my patience is finally being rewarded. :)

Posted by: capsfan26 | March 13, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

The dismantling was very painful, but essential.

Laich, Flash, Green, Schultz, Mo, Varlamov and probably a half-dozen minor leaguers came over. From swapping some of the picks, the Caps have like 3 2nd rounders even this year.

It would be a good WP story to document, starting with the 2001-2002 season (after which we got Semin, Eminger and Gordo in 1st Rd) and concluding with the Carlson pick, who went where for what and what that turned into.

Posted by: tominfl1 | March 13, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

SA-town: Now that you mention it, I remember seeing travel ads where Philadelphia and Tehran are listed as "sister" cities.

I think the people of Philadelphia were actually quite proud of that fact.

I was once at a party where the topic was hockey and I was describing how the Flyer fans were the worst fans I'd ever encountered. So this guy comes up to me with this look on his face and he says, "Hey, I hear you been talking _hit about Philly."

Guess where he was from?

Posted by: tominfl1 | March 13, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I know a Pens fan that wanted to fight a Caps fan in a bar right after Ovie got the MVP over Malkin. He was upset, and wanted to get even.

Posted by: SA-Town | March 13, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

From the Times:

The Caps just wrapped a relatively light practice here in Arlington. Sergei Fedorov and Donald Brashear -- the two guys who missed last night's game -- did not practice today. Jose Theodore was also given the day off.

Funniest thing of the day, hands down: The loser of Juice Boy, the game that seems to be increasing in popularity (there are definitely guys who play now that didn't play ealier in the year) was one Bruce Boudreau. Whoever loses is in charge of getting post-practice drinks for everyone who played, so it was quite a site to see Boudreau wondering about the dressing room with a tray full of cups to hand out to his players (and assistant coaches, which was the most indignant part).

The Caps face Carolina tomorrow. The Hurricanes are playing better of late and have worked their way into the top eight of the Eastern Conference. It sure does seem like the return of Erik Cole has helped spark this team, though they played a couple of good games right before they traded for him as well.

Boudreau compared their situation to the reverse from last season and while it is true the Canes are fighting for a playoff spot, the division situation is not the same. At this point last season (after 69 games), the Caps had three points less than Carolina did.

Finally, if you haven't seen it yet, Mike Green is on the cover of The Hockey News this week. He's also only scored one goal in 13 games. He's going to have to pick it up if he's going to reach 30 this season (more on No. 52 in tomorrow's paper, er, online edition).

Posted by: SA-Town | March 13, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Pitt and Philly are two of the most miserable cities in the US. There's no real surprise why their fans are so hateful and why so many move here for a better life.

Posted by: cbs75 | March 13, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Two thoughts from last night's game

1) from the other thread...does anybody else want to see how Laich would do on a full-time line with Ovie? Seem to work well recently on the PP...Brooks always goes to the net and screens, unlike Ovie's regular linemates. Maybe too late this season but next year.

2) i think the flyers got a good player in return but I definitely don't miss Upshall. ALways a thorn in our side in games past. Carcillo was invisible last night and you could never say that about Upshall when we played philly

Posted by: donknutts | March 13, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

They're probably just replacing Upshall with this Giroux kid to get the same type of production for less money. Caps are going to have to do that kinda stuff too in the future to keep the big guys like Nicky and Semin around.

Posted by: _jordan | March 13, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

@828: Sure does. This is from the 07-08 rulebook, as I couldn't find the current one on NHL.com, but here's the relevant section:

57.1 Tripping – A player or goalkeeper shall not place the stick, knee, foot,
arm, hand or elbow in such a manner that causes his opponent to trip
or fall.
Accidental trips which occur simultaneously with a completed play
will not be penalized. Accidental trips occurring simultaneously with or
after a stoppage of play will not be penalized.
If, in the opinion of the Referee, a player makes contact with the
puck first and subsequently trips the opponent in so doing, no penalty
shall be assessed.

Posted by: kittypawz | March 13, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Good pull from the rulebook, there. We were always taught as kids to try and play the puck first in all situations just in case, even when trying to check a guy.

Posted by: _jordan | March 13, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

@donknutts

I'm not sure Laich's style would fit Ovi's on a full-time line. One thing is PP when you have enough time to jump into the crease or nearby, and another is 5-on-5 fast-developing passing game where both Backs and Kozzy/Semin are clearly better than Brooks.

Posted by: fnralch | March 13, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

If, in the opinion of the Referee Well, that concludes my point - another grey area rule.

Thanks kittypawz!

Posted by: _828 | March 13, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

@Katie,
what's actually wrong with Fedorov? Cold? or something tweeked?

Posted by: seryogaSone | March 13, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

57.1 Tripping – A player or goalkeeper shall not place the stick, knee, foot,
arm, hand or elbow in such a manner that causes his opponent to trip
or fall.

Posted by: kittypawz | March 13, 2009 1:39 PM

Good news: HEAD tripping is allowed! ;-)

Posted by: fnralch | March 13, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

new post.

Posted by: _828 | March 13, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I love Brooks Laich and his work ethic as much as anyone. But let's face it, the next Capitals captain will be, and should be, that Russian guy, what's his name? Oh yeah, Ovechkin. Is this really open for discussion?

Posted by: chevychase10 | March 13, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't really need AO to be captain. I think oftentimes it's a burden for a star like him - not that he wouldn't want it or accept it, just saying. I'd rather someone else be that spokesperson and cheerleader. AO's play makes him the captain; of course, my AO practice jersey already has the C on it...planning ahead.

Posted by: saintex | March 13, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

" I happen to want Brooks to be the next captain, he's 25, plays hard, and will clearly play many years in exchange for an aging star. Even though Bondra leaving probably hurt, what was the feeling back then when the trade was made?"

There was a ton of crying, whining, and moaning when Bondra was dealt. It got even worse when he became a UFA and signed with the Thrashers after the Capitals made him an offer. After Atlanta passed on him at the end of his contract, and the Capitals said no thanks, he ended his career with the Hawks. Bondra lasted approximately 1 1/2 seasons after being dealt.

Meanwhile Laich has built himself into a multidimensional force with his ability on special teams and to play anywhere on the 2nd/3rd/4th lines. It's ended up as a great trade for the Caps. Even if whiney CapsFan doesn't want to admit it. It turned out to be one of McPhee's better trades when it comes down to it.

Posted by: pga6 | March 13, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

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