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Theodore named a finalist for Masterton

Jose Theodore has been named a finalist for the Bill Masterton Trophy, which is awarded annually "to the player who best exemplifies the qualities of perseverance, sportsmanship and dedication to hockey."

The other finalists are Tampa Bay's Kurtis Foster and San Jose's Jed Ortmeyer, the NHL announced this morning.

The winner will be announced June 23 in Las Vegas and the NHL Awards Show.


By Tarik El-Bashir  |  April 26, 2010; 11:04 AM ET
 
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Win this one for Theo!!!!

Posted by: SA-Town | April 26, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations Theo! I know you'll continue to be a key cog in the Caps machine during the playoffs.

Posted by: Justafan | April 26, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Good for you Theo.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | April 26, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Hope he wins.

Posted by: ridgely1 | April 26, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Here's the info on the other two nominees:

"Two years ago, Lightning defenseman Kurtis Foster wasn't sure if he'd be able to walk normal again, let alone skate."

"Yet, in his first full season back in the NHL following a severely broken left leg, Foster might be playing the best hockey of his professional life with career highs in games played (68), assists (31) and points (39) in his first season with Tampa Bay."

(From Tampa Bay Online)

and

"Right wing Jed Ortmeyer, who is on a strict medical regimen that enables him to continue his hockey career despite a life-threatening blood clotting disorder, has been nominated for the Masterton Trophy."

(From the Monterey Herald)

Posted by: irockthered | April 26, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"Speculation is that Volchenkov will seek as much as $5 million per season on a multi-year deal. A steep price for a defenseman, whose 4 goals this season equaled a career best."

I absolutely LOVE this guys game, but is Anton Volchenkov worth $5 million?

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | April 26, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone else go to the Tracee Hamilton chat this morning? Anyone else find them a complete waste of time? Of 24 questions, only six she answered were about the Caps. And I never find the answers all that insightful. Someone asked if Walker could come in and Chimera move to the third line and her response was "why not?" How about discussing the lines that were seen in practice yesterday and whether Walker starting would be consistent with them (it would), or at least mentioning the fact that Steckel would also be an option to put in on that fourth line? It's frustrating that a chat that is supposed to be Caps focused provides so little analysis (and so few Caps questions).

Posted by: Steph22 | April 26, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Tracee Hamilton is probably the least insightful of all the non-insightful hockey writers in this town. So anyone who poses a question to her shouldn't expect anything but total fluff in return. I doubt she could name more than half the roster on the team without looking it up. The whole Q and A thing is a joke. Mike Wise wouldn't be able to offer up anything more either. And the only reason you'd get a bit more out of Tarik is that his job is to cover this team on a daily basis. I can't remember the last time any of the 2 papers had a guy who could write about this team with any real insight, foresight or hindsight. Bob Fachet maybe but he was too much in love with Poile and Murray to be that objective.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

a great story only wish he would show, "qualities of perseverance, sportsmanship and dedication" to playoff hockey.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | April 26, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

"Speculation is that Volchenkov will seek as much as $5 million per season on a multi-year deal. A steep price for a defenseman, whose 4 goals this season equaled a career best."

I absolutely LOVE this guys game, but is Anton Volchenkov worth $5 million?

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | April 26, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

unless the Caps pull an about-face, why would they go after Volchenkov? I have never heard anyone in the front office ever state (or admit) that this team needs that type of player. Not once. All the talk about "punishing defensive dman" comes from fans and the media. Not from the Caps themselves. They'll talk about wanting a 2nd line center etc, but never about their defense unless its for another puck-mover.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I would LOVE to sign Volchenkov. I'd even let Flash walk to get the cap space for it.

Posted by: butcherbaker | April 26, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Semin not on ice according to Tariks' tweet

Posted by: DaleHunter | April 26, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if anything is wrong with Semin.

Posted by: sgm3 | April 26, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I think sitting Semin is the wrong move. I hope he's not skating because he took his option or something.

Oy.

Posted by: Jordan_Kitts | April 26, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

btw Hershey wins 6-3 in game 2 of round 2 to take a 2-0 lead v Albany

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9m_Cmf3nN4

Watch the brutal hit that Pinizotto puts on Albany tough guy Nick Blanchard. Bounces his face off the edge. And then scores a nice empty netter to seal the win. If you're looking for a 3rd/4th line agitator who skates well, handles the puck well, and plays an effective PK, Pinner fits that mold.

AGordon with another 3 point game now has 8 goals in 7 playoff games this year.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if anything is wrong with Semin.

Posted by: sgm3 | April 26, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I think he will play, but he definitely is hurt. I was at the last regular season game v Boston and he got hit pretty bad in the 2nd and limped off the ice. He was doubled over in pain on the bench. I have NO idea why BB let him keep playing that game.

Posted by: adamkatzen | April 26, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Anton Volchenkov would without a doubt be worth $5mil a year to any team. He would not be acquired for goal scoring, he's a shutdown defenseman. Rod Langway never scored more than nine goals in any season with the Capitals. The year he scored nine goals he won his second consecutive Norris. The previous year, in which he also won the Norris, he only scored 3 goals.

My biggest concern with Volchenkov would be his injury record as of late. He has missed 47 regular season games over the last 3 years. That is directly related to his desire to block shots so I guess it would be acceptable as long as he is available for the playoffs.

I also honestly thought the Caps would snag him at the trade deadline. There were rumors that Ovi and Semin went and talked to him following a late season game in Ottawa. Maybe the Caps did try and Ottawa decided not to pull the trigger and make a playoff run.

Posted by: fanohock1 | April 26, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse


"Speculation is that Volchenkov will seek as much as $5 million per season on a multi-year deal. A steep price for a defenseman, whose 4 goals this season equaled a career best."

I absolutely LOVE this guys game, but is Anton Volchenkov worth $5 million?

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | April 26, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

unless the Caps pull an about-face, why would they go after Volchenkov? I have never heard anyone in the front office ever state (or admit) that this team needs that type of player. Not once. All the talk about "punishing defensive dman" comes from fans and the media. Not from the Caps themselves. They'll talk about wanting a 2nd line center etc, but never about their defense unless its for another puck-mover.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 11:39 AM

Wow! No way did I think that innocent comment would produce a response like that. You sound angry at this organization.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | April 26, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Good for Theo! I hope he wins.

Re: Volchenkov

I agree with cstanton. I don't think this team will go after Volchenkov at that price. This team is not high on defensive dman who provide little offense. Of the two defensive dman we have, one is cheap and the other has a permanent seat in the press box.

Also, I don't think this team can afford $5 million for him with Backstrom's projected contract and Green's upcoming raise. Even if the team trades Semin, they will have to use a large portion of that money on a true 2C. And that doesn't even include having to address the goalie situation at the end of next season.

Posted by: ablake70 | April 26, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Even though I got upset that the Caps didn't win on Friday I am able to keep things in perspective. It's ignorant to think that anyone of us fans care more about winning and losing than a Capital whether we are talking GMGM, Boudreau, BBs staff, or a player. That is a crazy thought. Semin sitting on the lip of the boards in the last thread looks to me like a player that just cannot believe that he can't bag one.

All I want is to receive my bill from the Caps tonight for the 1st round games.

Let's Go Caps!!!

Posted by: fanohock1 | April 26, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

per McPhee's comments, their top target was always a puckmoving dman. While I'm sure he's doing some double-talking to validate the Corvo trade, I have a hard time believing they were interested in Sutton and I'd have a hard time believing they were serious about Anton. He doesn't fit what this team has historically valued in defensemen. In 13 yrs and 100+ draft picks they've drafted 3 dmen who were strictly rugged defensive types (Thomas, Ruth, Finley) and one guy who was considered a 2 way dman at the time (Yonkman). Thomas was left unsigned, Ruth was traded, Finley looks to be a bust at least as a dman.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

All I want is to receive my bill from the Caps tonight for the 1st round games.

Let's Go Caps!!!

Posted by: fanohock1 | April 26, 2010 12:08 PM


My thoughts exactly.

Posted by: Fro_ | April 26, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Wow! No way did I think that innocent comment would produce a response like that. You sound angry at this organization.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | April 26, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

actually if you back and read it again with no preconceived notions, I didn't say anything angry, just that based on what this team has historically valued in a player does not have anything in common to what AV brings to the table.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Anyone have ESPN Insider? There is something about trading Fehr. Probably nothing but just wondering.

Posted by: Moose33 | April 26, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

haha this is awesome! These 2 were injury replacements in the Bears game yesterday and played pretty well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-PkEN2DB-g

A canadian and a guy named Johann doing some Johnny Cash!

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

@ Moose33

The trade he's proposing is Fehr and Flash for Robyn Regehr.

Hmmmmm.

Posted by: Jordan_Kitts | April 26, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Well, it must be a left over story from this year's trade deadline. Both Fehr and Fleishman were rumored to be on the block if the deal was right. There aren't any trades happening now because they can't. The Caps would also not be discussing movement of players after the season is over while still expecting to make a long run this season.

Posted by: fanohock1 | April 26, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

a great story only wish he would show, "qualities of perseverance, sportsmanship and dedication" to playoff hockey.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | April 26, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

hard to do that from the bench, or would you like to blame the game 5 loss on him as well?

Posted by: P-Mac | April 26, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

The ESPN insider says either Fleischmann or Fehr and a draft pick for Robyn Regehr

Posted by: DaleHunter | April 26, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

I don't think Schultz was drafted for his speed or puck moving ability.

I'm very happy the Caps didn't get Sutton. Did you see the Sens/Pens series? He turned the puck over almost every time he had it. The Pens were constantly skating around him and getting to pucks.

Posted by: sgm3 | April 26, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Even if the team trades Semin, they will have to use a large portion of that money on a true 2C. And that doesn't even include having to address the goalie situation at the end of next season.

Posted by: ablake70 | April 26, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

based on what this team does this playoff season will determine what they do with Semin. If this team loses in the 1st 2 rounds then I think they'll be forced to rethink their strategy. And if Semin doesn't put up some points then he'll be one of the players looked at to replace.

I think one of the dangers in trading Semin is alienating Ovechkin. But I think Ovy will get over that in time if the trade makes us a better team. Also, no team may want to give us that much for Semin. He may bail back to the motherland so he's risky in more ways than one.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Habs called up PK Subban

Posted by: _stevo | April 26, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

I don't think Schultz was drafted for his speed or puck moving ability.

I'm very happy the Caps didn't get Sutton. Did you see the Sens/Pens series? He turned the puck over almost every time he had it. The

Pens were constantly skating around him and getting to pucks.

Posted by: sgm3 | April 26, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

you didn't read.

I said RUGGED DEFENSIVE DMEN. That's why I excluded non-rugged defensive dmen like Schultz and Alzner.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Wow! No way did I think that innocent comment would produce a response like that. You sound angry at this organization.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | April 26, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

actually if you back and read it again with no preconceived notions, I didn't say anything angry, just that based on what this team has historically valued in a player does not have anything in common to what AV brings to the table.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 12:12 PM |

Actually, I read it a few times before I posted the above response.

And I call 'em like I see 'em. Why would I have any "preconceived notions"?

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | April 26, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

and I'm not making a case either way for Sutton. I'm just saying the talk about the Caps being interested in acquiring him seem more like rumors than facts. He doesn't fit what they like.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

What's your definition or rugged?

Posted by: sgm3 | April 26, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"of rugged" not "or rugged"

Posted by: sgm3 | April 26, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

In some ways its too bad that Hershey is still playing. I'd love to get one or two of their players into our lineup. Just younger faster more aggressive guys who swarm to the puck. Defensively they don't have anyone who'd be an upgrade but they definitely have a coupla forwards who would be.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Semin and ShaMo will play, good news.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | April 26, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

The Caps are likely aware they still need a 2nd line center (sorry, Belanger is a 3rd line center/face off specialist) and a shut down defenseman. These were the same two things they needed after last season but weren't adequately addressed in the offseason or trade deadline. Belanger, Corvo, and Walker are all FA's and only Corvo required a 2nd rounder. I don't see the Caps re-signing any of the three as they need salary cap space to (a) re-sign Backstrom will is a RFA and will want a long-term deal and (b) to address the two weaknesses above.

I've been to two of the three Caps home playoff games and the same problems on the defensive end are a reoccuring theme. Both Theo and Varly played excellent in net in Games 1 and 5, but the Caps didn't generate enough offense. The team needs to develop the killer instinct to put away a lesser team like Montreal.

Posted by: wizfan89 | April 26, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

"of rugged" not "or rugged"

Posted by: sgm3 | April 26, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

you really think Schultzie is a rugged defensive dman ? I mean do we really to define rugged? ok for the sake of discussion-

Not every rugged dman fits all the below-mentioned qualities (esp the fighting part) but most fit most.

-A no-nonsense physical defenseman who thinks defense first. Strong hitter, strong in crease, will fight. And good enough to play a regular shift. Once in a while they can play at both ends but a guy who definitely thinks D first.

Guys like Colin White, Rhett Warrener, Cory Sarich, Marc Staal, Jackman, Regehr, Seabrook, Exelby, Corrente, Bryan Allen even a player like Matt Walker who has improved his game.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the ESPN Insider info

Posted by: Moose33 | April 26, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I agree, that at least for this series, I would see Matty P as a great addition to the line-up at 2nd line center. The Canadiens are small enough team that his size would not be too much of a factor and he rarely loses battles for the puck. He's also much faster than Morrison and Belanger. Again, just for the this series. If we advance to play the Flyers, the only major change I would see if getting Erskine into the series because that will be a brutal physical series. Let's just hope they get that far. Focus is on the Bleu, Blanch, et Rouge.

Posted by: fanohock1 | April 26, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

For me, all that matters is that GMGM drafted Schultz and Alzner as defense first type of defensemen.

Be it they accomplish it by stick checking, hitting, positioning or whatever. But they were drafted to be very solid on defense and be a defender whose offensive contributions are basically that they just keep it in at the point and dumps it back into the corner.

But those picks do show that GMGM does draft some players high with the thought that they will be top flight defenders and not necessarily be more than average offensive defensemen.

Posted by: sgm3 | April 26, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

@fanhock1

I think adding MP for a game could be a good addition, especially considering the matchups. MP is incredibly quick and suprisingly strong on the boards.

But I don't think it will happen. It might be considered to big of a gamble to throw MP in there over the vets.

Posted by: sgm3 | April 26, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I don't see any particular need for a "rugged" defenseman, just a good one. Next year we'll have:

Green-Schultz
Alzner-Carlson
Poti-Erskine/Sloan

I'd certainly like to have someone better than Erskine/Sloan in there (not a big fan of Poti either, but I assume he'll be playing). I suppose GMGM might re-sign Jurcina or Morrison to a one-year deal to fill out the bottom of the roster, but if they have the cap room, I'd much rather see them go after someone like Volchenkov.

Posted by: butcherbaker | April 26, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

For me, all that matters is that GMGM drafted Schultz and Alzner as defense first type of defensemen.

Be it they accomplish it by stick checking, hitting, positioning or whatever. But they were drafted to be very solid on defense and be a defender whose offensive contributions are basically that they just keep it in at the point and dumps it back into the corner.

But those picks do show that GMGM does draft some players high with the thought that they will be top flight defenders and not necessarily be more than average offensive defensemen.

Posted by: sgm3 | April 26, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

my overall point is that physicality is not a concern for McPhee. Its not a coincidence that the few defensive types he drafts high and tries to develop are non-physical defensive dmen (which is pretty damn rare). You can count on one hand how many non-physical defensive dmen there are in this league.

The benefit you get when you draft some rugged dmen who can play at this level is you get the other intangibles that you don't get from the non-rugged types. You get better team toughness for one. Something we lack. And part of that is being strong and menacing in front of your goalie. Another flaw on this team. So while its nice to have the good positional play etc, its just a subset of what you need.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

For me, all that matters is that GMGM drafted Schultz and Alzner as defense first type of defensemen.

Be it they accomplish it by stick checking, hitting, positioning or whatever. But they were drafted to be very solid on defense and be a defender whose offensive contributions are basically that they just keep it in at the point and dumps it back into the corner.

But those picks do show that GMGM does draft some players high with the thought that they will be top flight defenders and not necessarily be more than average offensive defensemen.

Posted by: sgm3 | April 26, 2010 12:43 PM |

I think Finley and Pokulok support your claim as well. Sucks these picks sometimes don't pan out.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | April 26, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"He's also much faster than Morrison and Belanger.

Posted by: fanohock1"


You do realize that Belanger is one of the fastest skaters on the team (besides OV and Chimera), right? But, yeah, 85 could have been useful in this series.

Posted by: butcherbaker | April 26, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Despite losing two games to Montreal, I still think this Caps team can win the Cup. Every team has weakness and none of the other top teams have looked dominant against lower seeded opponents. Just goes to show the parity in the NHL. The Habs were the second lowest scoring team in the league, but they are not the Mites (Well maybe in size).

Oh, and the lowest scoring team in the league has a 3-2 series lead over the Buffalo Millers!

Go Caps!

Posted by: ablake70 | April 26, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

The Caps D has really not been that bad this series, except for game 2.

The Caps have basically let in 2 or less regulation goals in the other 4 games (I'm not counting the late Habs goal in game 4 after the Caps scored the empty netter to go up 5-2). Unfortunately the Caps only won 2 of those games.

The problem has been scoring consistently and I think that falls on the PP. I know that it becomes more difficult to play in the playoffs but the PP should not dip more than 5% than its regular season productivity. If the PP was at 20% now this series would be over.

Posted by: sgm3 | April 26, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

I just butcherbaker said, I just want a good defenseman. If he accomplishes that by being rugged, then great. If he accomplishes that by other means, also great. I think Volchenkov is a great player and would be a welcome addition on the Caps. But the salary cap may not allow that.

I do think having Ovie and Semin here may influence Volchenkov some and he MAY settle for a little bit less to play with his friends.

Posted by: sgm3 | April 26, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I have not been surprised to see the Caps struggle against Montreal. The trap KILLS the Caps offense. They had a rough time against NJ this year, too -- thank goodness we won't have to face them. Bottom line: Montreal's system is a good counter to the Caps' system.

Fascinating article about the idea of relentless defense beating a superior opponent:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/05/11/090511fa_fact_gladwell

Posted by: butcherbaker | April 26, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

For those who say you don't need a rugged defensive dman, you haven't been paying attention to teams who actually win the Cup.

I'd say 90% if not more of the teams who have won the Cup have at least 1 rugged dman. Actually I can't think of a team who didn't. Look at the Cup winners over the past even 15 yrs and tell me if they lacked a tough defensive group.

Dallas (Hatcher, Matvichuk)
Devils (Stevens, Daneyko)
Avs (Foote, Devries, Bourque)
Pens (Orpik)
Wings (Konstantinov, Ward, and then Stuart/Kronwall)
Tampa (Sarich, Pratt and also Lukovich/Cullimore)
Canes (Ward, Commodore)
Ducks (O'Donnell, Pronger)


Its a myth that you don't need those types to win with. Unless the Caps completely think they're smart enough to reinvent the wheel.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I meant "just like butcherbaker said"

Posted by: sgm3 | April 26, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Guys like Colin White, Rhett Warrener, Cory Sarich, Marc Staal, Jackman, Regehr, Seabrook, Exelby, Corrente, Bryan Allen even a player like Matt Walker who has improved his game.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 12:37 PM

11 players mentioned here, 8 have been playing golf for a couple of weeks, two more just joined... not that there is anything wrong with it! ;-)

Posted by: igor_k17 | April 26, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I think Finley and Pokulok support your claim as well. Sucks these picks sometimes don't pan out.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | April 26, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

already mentioned Finley, and Pokulok was NEVER considered a defensive dman of any type nor was he rugged. His profile was of a big guy who could skate. Defense and ruggedness were never high on his list of attribute.
And if you think taking a chance on 4 out of 100+ picks shows a commitment to that type of player, come on. Its probably the single worst record in hockey when it comes to drafting those kinds of players.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

Are you saying the Penguins won the SC last year because of Orpik.

If they had a Lidstrom instead of Orpik do you think they wouldn't have won then?

Posted by: sgm3 | April 26, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

11 players mentioned here, 8 have been playing golf for a couple of weeks, two more just joined... not that there is anything wrong with it! ;-)

Posted by: igor_k17 | April 26, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

go look at the list of Cup winners and then educate me on why I'm wrong. Unless you know...Cup rosters have no correlation to Cup winners. lol

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

what happened before the lockout matters very little right now because the game has CHANGED... if you refuse to believe that, you're just in denial.

Guys like Derian Hatcher wouldn't be as effective in today's game... his brother would be more effective because he was a better skater.

Posted by: joek443 | April 26, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

Are you saying the Penguins won the SC last year because of Orpik.

If they had a Lidstrom instead of Orpik do you think they wouldn't have won then?

Posted by: sgm3 | April 26, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

lol, if you don't think Orpik was a key member of that team then we'll have to agree to disagree. Or you must not have watched them play. Orpik provided teeth to that defense and he's relied on heavily.

You can make that argument about any player on any team just by replacing them. Its a dumb argument to say that Lidstrom could have replaced Orpik. I could say that Ovechkin isn't needed because we could replace him with Crosby. I mean you can make that argument about every single player on every Cup team in the history of the NHL can't you? You show me a player and I can use your logic and say he was unnecessary because I can replace him with another player that may have been able to get the job done also.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

what happened before the lockout matters very little right now because the game has CHANGED... if you refuse to believe that, you're just in denial.

Guys like Derian Hatcher wouldn't be as effective in today's game... his brother would be more effective because he was a better skater.

Posted by: joek443 | April 26, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

hey joe, since you don't know this..I mentioned every team who won the Cup SINCE THE LOCKOUT on my list. Care to address that?

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Also, if the Caps were to win the SC this year, a person could look back 10 years from now and make a similar list with Erskine on it and then state that "see, all SC winners have a rugged defenseman. Therefore, you need a rugged defenseman to win the SC"

Posted by: sgm3 | April 26, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I do think having Ovie and Semin here may influence Volchenkov some and he MAY settle for a little bit less to play with his friends.

Posted by: sgm3 | April 26, 2010 12:59 PM

AO and AV? Doubt it - Dinamo and CSKA don't talk to each other! That would be like Nilsson schmoozing with Potvin! ;-)))

Posted by: igor_k17 | April 26, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

jesus, sometimes I think Caps fans if they had a choice would rather fail year after year with a non-physical team then ever concede that maybe our team concept needs a bit of revision.

No wonder you guys are so happy with McPhee. He shares the same vision. I have never in my life watched a single playoff team succeed in the end without a compilation of heavy hitting. Some of you act like hitting exists in a vacuum. Like it has no tangible benefit except as a sideshow act. Its a critical part of any team's success. Even the alleged "finesse" Wings teams have been very physical. And to a man they all credited the acquisition of Brad Stuart as a key complement to Lidstrom. Way to ignore that. And I'm sure Kronwall's big open ice hits meant nothing either. Just a sideshow (wink)

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

A lot of people have been asking for a rugged/aggressive defenseman for the Caps and the answers have always been:

1. We have Erskine
2. We don't need a tough defenseman, we are skilled and can kill other teams on the power play etc.

Well, I agree we need a tough defenseman, and watching Green/Schultz and co makes me believe it even more.

For all those lemmings who have defended the defense relentlessly, I think its pretty telling when Bruce Boudreau is playing a rookie as our #4 defenseman in the play-offs. I understand John Carlson is a talent, but the way people talked about how sound our defense is/was, you'd think he'd have a tougher time getting ice as a rookie.

Finally - if we make it past Montreal, we get a rested Flyers team. Asham/Laperierre/Carcilo/Pronger/Coburn and more. That's when the whole "rugged defenseman" would come in handy as well as an enforcer.

Oh well.

Posted by: Jaymagz | April 26, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Also, if the Caps were to win the SC this year, a person could look back 10 years from now and make a similar list with Erskine on it and then state that "see, all SC winners have a rugged defenseman. Therefore, you need a rugged defenseman to win the SC"

Posted by: sgm3 | April 26, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

again, not true. You have to be able to pull down decent ice time. You don't think the players on the list I posted pulled down significant minutes? How does that compare to a guy who is at best a 7th dman on this current roster?

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

yeah, what sgm3 just said...

Posted by: joek443 | April 26, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

You completely missed the point. By showing that the Pens would've probably have been better with Lidstrom instead of Orpik it then implies that the Pens could have and would have won the Cup without a "rugged" defensman. Therefore, by you saying the Pens could win by replacing Orpik with Lidstrom you are saying a team can win a Cup without a rugged defenseman.

Posted by: sgm3 | April 26, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Why are we focusing on free agents when this season is still going on? In fact, there is a pretty big playoff game tonight- Washington Capitlas vs Montreal Canadiens. Game 6 - first round.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | April 26, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I think Finley and Pokulok support your claim as well. Sucks these picks sometimes don't pan out.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | April 26, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

already mentioned Finley, and Pokulok was NEVER considered a defensive dman of any type nor was he rugged. His profile was of a big guy who could skate. Defense and ruggedness were never high on his list of attribute.
And if you think taking a chance on 4 out of 100+ picks shows a commitment to that type of player, come on. Its probably the single worst record in hockey when it comes to drafting those kinds of players.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 1:03 PM

sgm3 was talking about "defense first type of defensemen".

Do you claim that the profile on Pokoluk was that he was an "offense first type of defensemen". Do you think thats how GMGM projected he would develop?

Or maybe he was hoping his size and skating ability could help the teams defense?

This comment wasnt directed at your "rugged d-man" discussion, point of fact, I never claimed that either of them were.

There are other such examples where GMGM has tried to acquire D-men who's mentality is defense first, which is of course natural.

I like the way GMGM and this team do business. Its not perfect, but who/what is?

If you don't, root for another team.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | April 26, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

You completely missed the point. By showing that the Pens would've probably have been better with Lidstrom instead of Orpik it then implies that the Pens could have and would have won the Cup without a "rugged" defensman. Therefore, by you saying the Pens could win by replacing Orpik with Lidstrom you are saying a team can win a Cup without a rugged defenseman.

Posted by: sgm3 | April 26, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

i didn't miss the point. Its just an irrelevant point to make. Why stop at the rugged defensive dman analogy then? Why not just say, all physical players? I mean, pick a physical player on any Cup team and I can take your logic and say, well if we replaced that player with a finesse highscoring forward, that proves that you don't need any physical players on any team. Its the craziest argument I've heard to date. Period.

Or how bout this. Lets say that Sid Crosby is a finesse forward and Ovechkin is a power forward. I could say that replacing Sid with Ovy on last yr's Pens team proves that you need power forwards to win the Cup. Unless of course you think that Ovechkin would somehow hold the Pens back from winning.

it boggles my mind that you can even make this argument, its like swiss cheese with more holes.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

sgm3 was talking about "defense first type of defensemen".

Do you claim that the profile on Pokoluk was that he was an "offense first type of defensemen". Do you think thats how GMGM projected he would develop?
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yes. Pokulok was considered more of an offensive dman than a defense-first dman.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

hey joe, since you don't know this..I mentioned every team who won the Cup SINCE THE LOCKOUT on my list. Care to address that?

Posted by: cstanton1
Dallas (Hatcher, Matvichuk)
Devils (Stevens, Daneyko)
Avs (Foote, Devries, Bourque)
Pens (Orpik)
Wings (Konstantinov, Ward, and then Stuart/Kronwall)
Tampa (Sarich, Pratt and also Lukovich/Cullimore)
Canes (Ward, Commodore)
Ducks (O'Donnell, Pronger)

Now, I may not be a smart man. But since the lockout was 2004-2005 season, by my math only four of those teams could possibly be post-lock out. Canes, Ducks, Wings and Pens. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Steve_R | April 26, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I like the way GMGM and this team do business. Its not perfect, but who/what is?

If you don't, root for another team.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | April 26, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

lol, yeah ok, because you know thats how it works. When fans don't like the way their team is run, they just go off and root for another team. So next yr if McPhee got replaced and you didn't like the new guy, would you just go off and root for another team? You sound like a very fickle fan if thats how your mind works.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste isn't it?

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Now, I may not be a smart man. But since the lockout was 2004-2005 season, by my math only four of those teams could possibly be post-lock out. Canes, Ducks, Wings and Pens. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Steve_R | April 26, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

right..i included teams on that list that were all post-lockout. Is everyone having a bad reading comprehension day? First i mention "rugged defensive dmen" and somehow we end up talking about Pokulok, Sarge and Alzner. Then I mention teams who've won the cup over the past 15 yrs and include the teams post-lockout and there's still questions. what gives?

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

You missed the point again. I replaced the ONLY rugged defenseman with a non-rugged but extrememly talented defenseman in Lidstrom. After that one replacement, and an upgrade, I then stated, and you agreed, that the Pens would have likely won the Cup.

I was doing this to show that the Pens didn't NEED a rugged defenseman to win. Since it only took one hypothetical change to remove all of the Pens rugged defensemen, it was easy to do.

The point of the argument is that just because a type of player is on a Cup winning team does not necessarily mean that type of plyaer is necessary for a winning team.

Presence does not necessarily mean cause. The hypothetical of Lidstrom was shown to give an example that Orpik's presence does not necessarily mean that type of player was the cause of the Cup.

Posted by: sgm3 | April 26, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Oh c'mon Jaymagz. Carlson is here for one reason and one reason only...he can play the darn game well, it doesn't matter that he's a rookie. Using that argument and trying to use Carlson's presence as an example of our defense being weak is like saying the only reason Doughty is playing, and and a Norris trophy candidate in his second year, is because the Kings defense is weak.

There are a few 19-20 year olds in the league right now, making an impact, just like Carlson.

Posted by: fanohock1 | April 26, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

probably the only point I'll ever agree with with Fanock, but Carlson is here because he's already one of our best if not our best dman currently. He can play both ends and he combines physicality with talent and poise.

The rest of Jay's point is exactly right. To think you can win a Cup with largely a non-physical defense is a pipe dream. Its never been done. End of story.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Guys like Derian Hatcher wouldn't be as effective in today's game... his brother would be more effective because he was a better skater.

Posted by: joek443 | April 26, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

hey joe, since you don't know this..I mentioned every team who won the Cup SINCE THE LOCKOUT on my list. Care to address that?

Posted by: cstanton1

Dude, don't try to obfuscate things. Just because you weren't clear in what you were trying to say, we collectively have reading comprhension issues? Come on.

Posted by: Steve_R | April 26, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Dude, don't try to obfuscate things. Just because you weren't clear in what you were trying to say, we collectively have reading comprhension issues? Come on.

Posted by: Steve_R | April 26, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

you jumped in the middle of something and you got confused. This is my fault? I mentioned every post-lockout team on my list. Yet you found a flaw with that statement?

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

This award has Theo written all over it. If he doesn't win, the NHL should be ashamed, even more so than they already are...

Posted by: LloydChristmas | April 26, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if anything is wrong with Semin.

Posted by: sgm3

Just one thing?

Posted by: LloydChristmas | April 26, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I like the way GMGM and this team do business. Its not perfect, but who/what is?

If you don't, root for another team.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | April 26, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

lol, yeah ok, because you know thats how it works. When fans don't like the way their team is run, they just go off and root for another team. So next yr if McPhee got replaced and you didn't like the new guy, would you just go off and root for another team? You sound like a very fickle fan if thats how your mind works.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste isn't it?

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 1:35 PM |

Indeed, "A mind is a terrible thing to waste"...and so is my time.

I suggest quit proposing these absurd hypothetical situations and stop being supercritical of this organization.

Your comments are occasionally intelligent, rarely supportive and often not well recieved.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | April 26, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

Also, people could easily call ShaMo's style as a rugged defenseman.

Posted by: sgm3 | April 26, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I understand Carlson is a talent, but the way people talk up the Caps defense whenever Schultz or Erskine or Poti are questioned, you sure would think he'd have a bit more trouble being the team's #4 defenseman in the play-off's after only playing 22 games in the regular season - in spot duty for at least half the games.

Drew Doughty played 81 games last year and earned it. I guess 22 games with the first half of them spot duty was enough to show he's better than almost every d on the Caps - after people defend them like they're all Norris trophy candidates.

Posted by: Jaymagz | April 26, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

So next yr if McPhee got replaced and you didn't like the new guy, would you just go off and root for another team? You sound like a very fickle fan if thats how your mind works.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste isn't it?

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

You have GOT to be kidding me cstanton1. You are calling fans that support the team fickle? You are the definition of fickle. I guarantee that I am not the only fan on here that feels you are just waiting for the Caps to collapse without the Cup this year so you can say that you told us so. You might not be waiting to do that, I obviously don't know for sure. That remains to be seen. Either you will have to eat your words, or you WILL come on here if they are eliminated at any point and say you knew it all along.

Posted by: fanohock1 | April 26, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

which by the way is why the issue of a punishing dman or two always creeps up. The rest of the world seems to realize that as a missing piece of our puzzle. Except for the front office and apparently some of the fans.

Sean O'Donnell is probably the best example of a guy with limited skill who is a critical piece of every team he's ever been on. And he's an example of a player who brings those rugged defensive dman qualities that the Capitals FO just doesn't understand. The closest the Caps come to that is Erskine and he's become a situational player at best. And frankly, he's a decent but not great role player for this team even when he's in the lineup.

and to Wtf who says "well not all picks work out" - when you only expend 2 to 3% of your draft choices over 12+ yrs on a certain type of player, you shouldn't expect those to simply work out. You have to have a larger sampling to choose from. Such a small percentage shows no commitment or belief in that type of player.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

You have GOT to be kidding me cstanton1. You are calling fans that support the team fickle? You are the definition of fickle. I guarantee that I am not the only fan on here that feels you are just waiting for the Caps to collapse without the Cup this year so you can say that you told us so. You might not be waiting to do that, I obviously don't know for sure. That remains to be seen. Either you will have to eat your words, or you WILL come on here if they are eliminated at any point and say you knew it all along.

Posted by: fanohock1 | April 26, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

pls don't be hysterical.

The guy told me to go root for another team just because I didn't like the mgmt.
I'm well within my right to post that response.

now continue with your shrill yelling Fanock.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

Also, people could easily call ShaMo's style as a rugged defenseman.

Posted by: sgm3 | April 26, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm a big ShaMo fan. I think he does a lot of things right which go unappreciated. So I concur. He's the closest thing we got to a rugged defensive dman. And he's also the only guy on this team who consistently sticks up for his teammates even against guys who are way out of his league. ShaMo has character. And thats why its not surprising that he'll be allowed to walk while we throw money at some undeserving players.

Which will mean an extra hole to fill as well.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Darren Helm of the red wings = rugged. cstanton1 raises many good points. funny how people misinterpret his comments as negative because he presents a different perspective on the present team and management.

by the way, i would kill for the Caps to pick up a guy like the Avs Cody McClod. That kid is a bruiser.

Posted by: doughless | April 26, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

At least I lead my comments with little arrogant "lol." You constantly complain about this team yet claim you are a fan. You are the most fickle fan I have ever run across. You enjoy pointing out why the team loses a game and point out reason they were lucky to win when they did. I gotta get back to work.

Posted by: fanohock1 | April 26, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Theodore deserves this. He exemplifies professionalism.

Posted by: johns2dp | April 26, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for just "stepping in" to the conversation, but did the Caps make the playoffs this year?

Posted by: CTCapsPhan | April 26, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Oh man, I meant to say I don't lead with "lol." That's because it implies you are laughing in one's face when directly responding to a post. Anyhow, really going this time. I really hope you are pulling for the Caps tonight cstanton1, even though they $uck.

Posted by: fanohock1 | April 26, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

doughless you come on here like a little puppy and back up what cstanton1 says. I wouldn't be surprised if you were the same person.

Posted by: fanohock1 | April 26, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

lets hope Caps don't let ShaMo walk. that would be foolish. also, someone earlier said they don't see Belanger as a 2nd line center. i guess i would say, don't rush your judgement.

Posted by: doughless | April 26, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

by the way, i would kill for the Caps to pick up a guy like the Avs Cody McClod. That kid is a bruiser.

Posted by: doughless | April 26, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

you got that right. That kid is great. He was languishing in the minors as a grinder and the Avs gave him a chance. He did for the Avs what Travis Moen did for Anaheim the yr the won the Cup. Same type of player.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh man, I meant to say I don't lead with "lol." That's because it implies you are laughing in one's face when directly responding to a post. Anyhow, really going this time. I really hope you are pulling for the Caps tonight cstanton1, even though they $uck.

Posted by: fanohock1 | April 26, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

when someone tells you to go root for another team because you disagree with how its managed, anything is warranted. So get off your high horsey. I was laughing in his face when I responded. Hence the "lol"

any more things I can clear up for you Fanock?

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Q: Your coach is getting upset that he keeps getting asked about Mike Green not producing. The same thing happened in the playoffs last year. Is he playing different or down on himself?

Ovechkin: "No, the playoffs and the regular season are two different things and I think he is trying to play more defensive than offensive. Everybody knows we have good forwards who can score goals. What Greenie needs to do is play good defensively. I don't think he's playing bad."

Posted by: richmondphil | April 26, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Fanock: "You are the most fickle fan I have ever run across"

Can someone explain to Fanock what the word "fickle" means because he clearly has no clue?


It means wishy-washy. I think what you meant to accuse me of was being "hyper-critical"

next English lesson will cost you money.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Doughless are you and I the same person?

Considering how rarely anyone ever "backs" me on this board, I'm guessing not Fanock.

If that was my personality type then you probably would have seen it happen more often. Since you bring it up though, I'm now wondering about you and the new guy sec423 who seems to follow me around to different columns just reposting old stuff. Could it be?

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Mcleod's been the man since the 08 playoffs.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 26, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Green can go the entire playoffs without a point and he could still be a great asset if he tightened up his D.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Cstanton provides insight into the team. Albeit, you and I may disagree with what he says, but it's a deeper analysis and insight than most others give here.
Doughless...doesn't. He tells us how he thinks BB is fat and bald.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 26, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

fanohock:

how many mike green/joe corvo types or Fleischman/semin types does one team need?? as i have said previously, Mike Knuble is one of the best moves this team has made in years. why? because he stands out from a team cut from similar cloth; he a grind it out guy vs. a team made to run and gun. Brooksie and Fehr (to a lesser degree) try a similar style, but consistently. why is it such heresey to say that this team could use a few more "rugged" guys.

Posted by: doughless | April 26, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

RP, you see AGordon with another 2 goal, 1 assist game yesterday. Now with 8 goals, 4 assists, 12 points and about 50 hits in 7 playoff games for the Bears.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

To all those arguing about whether or not the Caps are "built correctly for the playoffs" let me remind you that the Capitals playoff season isn't over yet. A better time for these discussions would be when and if they get elimiated "prematurely". What can they do now with what they have to beat an opponent playing a good scheme well (and don't say nothing/not much)?

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | April 26, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

thanks richmondphil. BB is bald. also, given his knickname (and title of book), he is a confessed loudmouth.

Posted by: doughless | April 26, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a big BB fan so maybe Doughless and I are the same person!
fat bald loudmouth, hehe

I guess I like my coaches a little more demure. And defensive-minded.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 26, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

i admit freely that I don't know the game as well as several that post here, but who said you have to be an expert to join the discussion?? i do know this, Flash should be on the ice tonight and has been terrible. in fact, i would call him trade bait.

Posted by: doughless | April 26, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

hmmm almost three pm and no updates?

Posted by: lylewimbledon | April 26, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

How about this for tonight? (At least to start)BB only knows how it might end depending upon how they play.


Ovi-Backstrom-Knuble
Chimera-Belanger-Semin
Laich-Steckel-Fehr
Walker-Gordon-Bradley

Schultz-Green
Poti-Carlson
Morrison-Corvo

Varlamov

Posted by: CapCenter105 | April 26, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Like every other Washington sports team before them with the exception of the Redskins super bowl years, the CAPS are choking big time.

Posted by: Daveguin1 | April 26, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Like every other Washington sports team before them with the exception of the Redskins super bowl years, the CAPS are choking big time.

Posted by: Daveguin1 | April 26, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

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