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Tom Poti signs two-year extension with Capitals


(John McDonnell/The Washington Post)


The Capitals have signed defenseman Tom Poti to a two-year extension, worth $3 million next season and $2.75 million in 2012-13. Poti, 33, is the oldest member of the team's regular blue line corps and recorded 24 points in 70 regular season games last season.

He will earn $3.5 million this season in the last year of his old contract, but Poti said he was willing to take a pay cut in order to compete for the Stanley Cup.

"I think we have a chance to win here," Poti said. "I've played in the league 12, 13 years and still haven't won. I think this is the best chance for me to get a Cup. Not just one Cup but more than one Cup, hopefully. I was willing to give up some money, leave some money on the table, to have a chance at that."

After spending the past three seasons in Washington, Poti knew he wanted to remain a Capital and took the opportunity to get the contract out of the way.

"I wanted to be here and they showed me they wanted me to be here as well," he said. "It's easy to play going into next year not having to worry about a contract and things like that. I'm excited about the core group we have here and I think we have the ability to win the Stanley Cup. Not just this year but years to come. It's a situation where me and my wife love it here, and I'm excited to be here for a couple more years."

By Katie Carrera  | September 21, 2010; 2:35 PM ET
Categories:  Tom Poti  
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Comments

@sgm3

I have no problem re-signing Poti, however the money is an issue. A cap hit of $2.8M for a player who in the two years of the extension will be our 5th Dmen is way over the top.

Posted by: ThePat | September 21, 2010 2:27 PM

That about sums it up. I had hoped, nay, prayed, it would be Green, Schultz, Carlson, Alzner, Orlov and the killer D man we all want going forward. Guess not.

What's next? A ten-year extension for Flash?

Posted by: tominsocal1 | September 21, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I think it's a good signing. It's only 2 years, a very reasonable dollar amount, and gives us insurance in case one of the kids doesn't work out.

If all the kids DO pan out, it's also a tradeable contract and Poti's a good locker room presence, which can matter more than skill alone (see Souray, Sheldon).

Posted by: EricinReston | September 21, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Semin...

You forgot..."Catching a puck and NOT giving it to a kid"....and "Jumping over a seat to get a warmup puck that Ovie throws into the crowd"

Posted by: SoaringCaps | September 21, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SoaringCaps | September 21, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

and this is a "who cares" signing.

We are going to win the cup with or without Poti.

And I guess it's bettr than seeing sloan or erskine for the next 3 years...

Posted by: SoaringCaps | September 21, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I think Poti is mistaken. He did not leave any money on the table because he would not have gotten as much as a free agent. Not the defensive signing I was hoping for.

Posted by: nimrodrsp | September 21, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

This is absolute insanity. I was so looking forward to not having Poti on this team after this year so that money could go to a real stay at home dman FA. GMGM once again happy with the status quo, this is f'ing ridiculous!

Posted by: PhilR | September 21, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Poti's cap hit is decresing by over $600k next year. He is a good defenseman. $2.8M cap hit is not that much. It is about half of what Sourary costs.

@tominsocal1

What do Poti's comparables make?

Posted by: sgm3 | September 21, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

What do Poti's comparables make?

Posted by: sgm3

I think Sally Fields make about $2m per film.

Posted by: underpants2 | September 21, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

If all the kids DO pan out, it's also a tradeable contract and Poti's a good locker room presence, which can matter more than skill alone (see Souray, Sheldon).

Posted by: EricinReston

this could be one of the most inaccurate characterizations ever.

How the heck did Sheldon Souray ever get described as a "skill" player?

That's like calling Marty McSorley a skill player and leaving it at that. It tells just an inkling of his actual game.

Sheldon Souray for a lot of his career has been a tough hardnosed DEFENSIVE dman. That's how he was drafted and developed by the Devils. At some point he unleashed his shot. But this guy's main attributes were character, leadership, and defensive play. At least as your prototypical 3rd pairing dman whose primary role was to provide toughness. He was never considered to have top 2 defensive skills. He did at times display top 4 defensive skills. But really, he would've stayed his entire career as a 3rd pairing tough guy on D had he not revealed his slapshot.

now he's being reduced to a "skill" player?

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 21, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

This just in, Ersk/Sloan/BGordo all sign 6 year extensions.

"We are happy with our core players and look forward to putting this team on the ice for the foreseeable future."

Posted by: PhilR | September 21, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

It's hard to interpret this otherwise than as a commitment to stay the course with the D that we have. This is very disappointing. I think the "sign-and-trade" talk is a pipe dream.

Posted by: zmega | September 21, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

This has now become funny. GM couldn't find his A$$ with both hands and a map.

We had all year to negotiate with Mrs. Poti. We choose now, and we pay him way more than he would have gotten as a UFA. For two years mind you.

Posted by: underpants2 | September 21, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I think Sally Fields make about $2m per film.

Posted by: underpants2 | September 21, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

lmao! tom "norma rae" poti.

that's what the Caps have... the steel magnolia defense!

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 21, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

@underpants2

Sally Field is pretty solid.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 21, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Weren't we all excited to have that $3.5m to play with?

This doesn't make any f--king sense.

Posted by: underpants2 | September 21, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

So, we really have Poti for three more years as this is tacking on two more years after the upcoming season. Is this correct?

Posted by: MReilly9 | September 21, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Not sure why the Caps would rush this signing. Nothing against Poti, but they could have easily waited till the end of the year to make this signing. What if he loses a step this year? Then we would be stuck with him another 2 years. Some of the top Dman in free agency were going for 3.5-4.5 mil. We could have spent an extra 1 mil to get a big upgrade.

Posted by: hatrik22 | September 21, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

@underpants2

Sally Field is pretty solid.

Posted by: sgm3

True.

SGM - didn't you want that $3.5m off the books?

Posted by: underpants2 | September 21, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I honestly feel like crying right now.

What do you think it will cost us to extend Nylander?

Posted by: underpants2 | September 21, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Good signing. Poti will be a mentor to both Alzner and Carlson. Green is still not ready for that role and the Caps do not have any other veteran D that have played regularly as in the top 4 in the NHL. Plus, Poti was an "A" last year so the team leadership will stay in tact.

Alzner and Carlson = potential
Poti = consistency

Posted by: brihobbs | September 21, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

another ill-fitting brick in the wall.

and another nail in mcphee's eventual coffin.

obama thought he had work to do....i wonder who our next GM will be.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 21, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

What do you think it will cost us to extend Nylander?

Posted by: underpants2


BITE YOUR TONGUE/TYPING FINGERS!! That will most likely be announced next, this is just insanity!

Posted by: PhilR | September 21, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Wow, surprised to see so much Poti hate. Didn't anybody notice he was the best defenseman we fielded in the playoffs, with Carlson being his only competition in that category? He might not be your favorite regular season player, but he has the wisdom and maturity to play smart hockey when it counts.

Aside from that, I am psyched to have Carlson and Alzner on the squad this year, but I don't want their mentors to be Green or Schultz. Poti comes at a reasonable price tag (I admit this point is arguable) and I agree with whoever said it was also a tradeable contract. Overall, not a signing that should have anybody either delighted or disgusted.

Posted by: struggler | September 21, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Poti for 2 more years at an avg. of 2.87m is acceptable, although I think the notion that he left money on the table is absurd.

Posted by: LesGrossman | September 21, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

"I'm excited about the core group we have here and I think we have the ability to win the Stanley Cup. Not just this year but years to come"


translation: bless almighty allah for George McPhee. He has provided me an opportunity to make great money despite being an average player. He just paid me a million more than my likely market value.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 21, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I vote cstanton1 for GM, underpants2 as his Assistant GM/Cap Specialist, PhilR for Head of Amateur Scouting, & HunterforCoach as Director of Player Development...Stanley Cup, here we come!

Posted by: boomer44 | September 21, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Hatrik22 makes the only rational anti-Poti argument. Totally agreed that this could have, and should have, waited.

Posted by: struggler | September 21, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I vote cstanton1 for GM, underpants2 as his Assistant GM/Cap Specialist, PhilR for Head of Amateur Scouting, & HunterforCoach as Director of Player Development...Stanley Cup, here we come!

Posted by: boomer44

Tops on my list would have been to extend Tom Poti.

Posted by: underpants2 | September 21, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

What do you think it will cost us to extend Nylander?

Posted by: underpants2

We will find out Friday. By then the trade with Toronto (Ovi for a 3rd) will be approved, so we'll have a lot more cap space.

Posted by: ablake70 | September 21, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Am I surprised...yes...is this worth crying over...no! He is a servicable D man who I think was signed to help 2 very young defensemen develop. It's not like Green is the mentor type! He is good as a 5-6 D man...and you add in his leadership and mentoring qualities it makes a 2.8 cap hit not so bad. Erskine is not going to survive here more than another season, Sloan will either step up this season or become a permanent AHLer. There is still plenty of money for a good D man or center.

A lot of people seem to be holding the players responsible (saying they suck) for management not getting the player they wanted or thought we needed. Poti is a pretty reliable d man...I think he had a rough spell at some point last season, but got it together again, and was good in the playoffs. again...2.8 is not THAT far off of what he would get on the market...teams need stable, locker room leaders.

Posted by: capscoach | September 21, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Another terrible move by GMGM. What the hell is he thinking? This signing couldn't wait until the end of the season? It's not like any other GM in the NHL would be banging down Poti's door to offer him $3 million dollars next year!! First GMGM extends Clymer...now Poti. What is his obsession with soft, mediocre defensemen? He could have used that money to sign a real defenseman. Personally, I think the team is better off without Poti altogether. Unbelievable. This was a brain-numbingly stupid move. What's next? Are we going to re-sign Kiwi?

Posted by: dingram3 | September 21, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

sgm: Comparables. I went back when Schultz signed, about same salary as Poti 2.875, and it was roughly the salary for the 90th top paid d-man in the NHL, which would indicate a player smack dab in the middle of the second pair.

I have no problem with Poti near that salary, I think it's a little high due to declining skills, but the problem is we have a full D of all stick-checkers and Tom Poti is Cheif Stick-Checker in charge.

It isn't the player or the salary I object to but the fact that our D, just like our offense, is one-dimensional (in the defensive zone). Criminy, we even had Alzner being compared to Poti in that Masaik article.

McPhee won't stop until we have 12 snipers up front and 6 stick-checkers in the back. (OK, 11 snipers and Knuble.)

Posted by: tominsocal1 | September 21, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

meh...

Poti is not the problem but also not the solution. Having one average veteran D is not a bad thing though the price is too high. I'm fine with having Poti on the team just not fine with not having a shut down D.

Only promising thing this summer is that GMGM actually talked to Mitchell.

Hopefully he goes that route (defensive dman) at the deadline instead of a Corvo like move. I'm not holding my breath for anything to happen until then anymore, which is ok as long as it eventually happens, but I fear I am setting myself up for a huge letdown come march.

Posted by: BorntoHula | September 21, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I heard we are signing Larry Murphy & Kevin Hatcher, Sergei Gonchar, former whipping boys of our fine fans.

Posted by: boomer44 | September 21, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Okay WOW. People let's take a deep breathe here. No one is saying that Poti is the greatest player on earth, nor is he getting paid as if he were. Poti is solid enough, he knows the system, the coaching staff, and the players. Plus, having a player familiar with the terrain that's not a run and gun superstar like Mike Green around for more then Alzner and Carlson's rookie seasons (yes they both still count as rookies in my book) is a good thing. We didn't break bank on this contract, nor did we get an amazing deal. It's just fine. Just like Poti, just fine. So can we please accept that it's not the end of the world? Our blue line is thin enough as it is and we don't want to be adding too many essential pieces next summer.

Now to everyone screaming about having Orlov here next season; let's have him play just a single game in North America first before we write him in for the big club. Just cause he's good at rookie camp doesn't mean he'll light up the NHL just yet.

Posted by: dcfury | September 21, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I will add that I think it's a tad arrogant that Poti's talking about leaving money on the table....

Posted by: dcfury | September 21, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing that everyone agrees for once. I like POTI as well but that really seems like a lot of money. GMGM and BB are the only problem with this team. Anyone scared of our Dmen. Where is the grinders?

Posted by: pkme | September 21, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a fan of this extension. Like others have said, there was absolutely no reason to extend his contract now. He could mentor Alzner and Carlson with the last year remaining on his current contract and the Caps could evaluate their situation on D at the end of the season. Plus, I think the money is too much for a guy who is older, has trouble staying healthy, and isn't very good on the PK.

Posted by: cainoo7x | September 21, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Re-signing Poti isn't really a big deal. Re-signing Sloan for 2 years $700,000 per, Steckel 3 years $1.1 million per, Schultz 4 years $2.75 cap hit per, Fehr 2 years $2.2 million per along with Ovi's and Backstrom's long term deals makes this a real head scratcher. If the purpose is to win the Cup and this group hasn't gotten the job done, why keep taking bites at the apple with the same crew?

Posted by: ablake70 | September 21, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing that everyone agrees for once. Also we actually have some knowledgeable posters as well. I like POTI as well but that really seems like a lot of money. GMGM and BB are the only problem with this team. Anyone scared of our Dmen. Where are the grinders? Where is the stay at home dmen? Where are the hard nosed centers? None, None and none

Posted by: pkme | September 21, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

(reposted from end of last thread)

Jeezez H Cryste, George...after all the time and energy I put into defending you, you go and do something like this! Now there will surely be no peace on these boards!

FTR, I was not in favor of dumping Poti--Is he a bad defenseman? No. Granted, he is not and will never be of Lidstrom/Volchenkov/Pronger/Chara caliber, but we can't get those guys, and Poti does--if nothing else--seem to be fairly responsible in his own zone...

OTOH, I think it may have been unwise to extend him unless there are grave doubts about Green's readiness to lead the d-corps next year.

Posted by: Rhino40 | September 21, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

life is horrible, the world is over, the caps signed a player that a few posters do not like, goodbye playoffs, hello first pick in draft....I am going to sulk until hockey season is over now...

Posted by: CelticFCbhoys | September 21, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

What was the dire need to do this now?

Posted by: NovaCath1 | September 21, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

NICE!! The veteran presence the Caps D-corps so badly needs. Good work, GMGM!!!! Now Caps fans can stop worrying about the defense.

Posted by: doughless | September 21, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

This blog is ridiculous. You would think that McPhee and Boudreau were in charge of a team that just finished 5th in the Southeast Division. Just after the playoffs ended I understood as many needed to vent. However, it is September now and the majority of you are still criticizing every move the Caps make. It is now becoming cliched and predictable. GMGM and BB know what they are doing despite what some of you "experts" think. I have followed this team since the mid 70's and this is easily the best Capitals team that has ever taken the ice. Rock the Red!

Posted by: Gambrills4 | September 21, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Poti's even strength numbers are incredibly good(they rate as a top pairing defenseman). His only weakness is the PK. He plays very well in the playoffs too. Again, his only weakness being the PK. The $3.5M is off the book for next year. It is now $2.8M. I'm fine with that.

I guess it could have waited a few months, but it's nothing to get worked up about.

It is a solid veteran signing.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 21, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

sgm3:

this may not show up in your book of stats, but since you watch every game you should have noticed for yourself. Poti is terrible at clearing the puck from the Caps zone. He was one of the more frequent offenders last season. I think he is weak on the boards, too, but I don't have any stats to prove my point.

Posted by: doughless | September 21, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

no matter what the spin machine would have you think, there were several veteran D-men that were upgrades over Poti that could have been had for similar money.

Posted by: doughless | September 21, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3: I'm pretty sure this is an extension after his existing contract. 3.5 stays on the books this year, this extension goes into effect next year. If I'm wrong, I didn't see it reported otherwise.

Posted by: struggler | September 21, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3: Nevermind, I didn't read your post carefully.

Posted by: struggler | September 21, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Look at OVI talking about partying. OVI is wonderful but can you imagine Gretzsky or Messier partying during the playoffs. How about Crosby? Do you think those guys as Captain would allow their teammates to party. Where is BB and Mcphee in all of this. Party after you win everything not during the playoffs. If OVI puts down the booze he could be the greatest hockey player of all time.

Posted by: pkme | September 21, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

@underpants2...what d men were available for that price (include his $3.5 from this year)?

Posted by: boomer44 | September 21, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

@doughless
Which Dman was good at clearing the zone last year? I tend to blame the system here, wingers are not responsible enough. BB can't expect a breakout pass from the Dman in the corner under pressure to hit a forward in stride somewhere near the center line every time.

Posted by: BorntoHula | September 21, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

@ pkme

When did Ovi say they were partying during the playoffs?

Posted by: ablake70 | September 21, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

The reason people are on top of BB and Mcphee is that they refuse to bring in some tough defensemen that can intimdate. Maybe a Pronger. If the Caps had Pronger last year they would have gone all the way. They also is a big question mark at center on three lines. When the Pens won the Cup they had arguably the three top centers in all of hockey. they also were tough physically and better defensively.

Posted by: pkme | September 21, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

This is a disaster! I was banking on Poti being off the books after this season so they could upgrade... not necessarily spending more than the 3.5 million he was making, but a change for the sake of having a better mix of styles along the blueline (ie. a legit physical presence).

I honestly give up trying to figure out GMGM. He goes out of his way to lock up mediocre guys to multi-year deals that are above market value. I can guarantee that Poti wouldn't have made anything CLOSE to $3 million on the open market.

Posted by: chombie13 | September 21, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

It's not that Poti is that bad, but it means that our D is not going to be upgraded for years to come. Poti, Green, Shultz, Alzner and Carloson are here to stay. If Alzner and Carloson become top D-men ... great. But how can you rely on that?! What if it takes them long years before they do???? Common! we have to push for the Cup now!
We really need to upgrade our D corpse if we want the Cup. The excuse is that the Caps didn't loose to Montreal because the D was terrible. True, but we lost to Pittsburgh and Philly because our D couldn't keep up. And even if we made by Montreal we would still would lose to one of those tough teams with offense better that Montreal's.
And here is another thing: how come this signing was done in a such hurry. Poti comes off serious injury and, also, has a history of bad groin.
What a screw up by McPhee!

Posted by: fizhe | September 21, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Tops on my list would have been to extend Tom Poti.

Posted by: underpants2

i concur. Right after we sign James Black and Joe Sacco to fix our struggling PK. And reassign all our Western Hockey League scouts to Europe.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 21, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

We will find out Friday. By then the trade with Toronto (Ovi for a 3rd) will be approved, so we'll have a lot more cap space.

Posted by: ablake70 | September 21, 2010 3:20 PM

Maybe we can get Kaberle too. He's another puck mover who treats his own crease like a leper colony.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 21, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Ablake:

You are correct. He alluded to the fact that he would not party anymore during the playoffs. It is a pretty well known fact in the Bar business that he was in the Russia House and Josephine's before at least one playoff game and had many drinks. there are other incidents I could never confirm but heard about him drinking way too much. I will get you the link to the video in which he talks about. I like his candor and I like the drink as well so I am not completely judging but when you are the boss on the ice you have to live by a different standard..

Posted by: pkme | September 21, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

@chombie13...look what the change for the sake of change got us in th eWhite House...change is not always a good thing...the Caps have alot of potential, three balanced scoring lines, and even though I thought Poti would be off the books next year, McPhee has a plan to keep the core of this team intact so he knows what he needs to do in order to sign our RFA's next year (Varlamov, Neuvirth & Alzner) plus we need to get Laich resigned soon, he is a UFA

Posted by: boomer44 | September 21, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

After reviewing the above, I have created the Caps Fans D man critique flow chart:

1. Is he Mike Green? If yes, he can't play defense because he spends too much time playing offense. If no, then he doesn't score enough.

2. Does he get a lot of hits? If yes, he's dirty and stupid and should be replaced with a two-defenseman. If no, he plays too soft and should be gotten rid of for a bag of pucks.

3. Does he have more than 5 years experience? If yes, he is too old. If no, then we need a veteran to replace him, at the same salary.

Get a grip guys and gals.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | September 21, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I heard we are signing Larry Murphy & Kevin Hatcher, Sergei Gonchar, former whipping boys of our fine fans.

Posted by: boomer44 | September 21

right, because ALL 3 of them were great players at the time they got traded....


maintaining my goal of civility Tuesday! Its almost over thank god

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 21, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

But the problem is we have a full D of all stick-checkers and Tom Poti is Cheif Stick-Checker in charge.

It isn't the player or the salary I object to but the fact that our D, just like our offense, is one-dimensional (in the defensive zone). Criminy, we even had Alzner being compared to Poti in that Masaik article.

McPhee won't stop until we have 12 snipers up front and 6 stick-checkers in the back. (OK, 11 snipers and Knuble.)

-----------Tom-

ladies and trannies, your post of the day. Well-reasoned with minimal sarcasm.

btw, if we did re-sign Nylander, there would still be at least 2 of you on this blog who'd find a way to excuse it..

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 21, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

What was the dire need to do this now?

Posted by: NovaCath1

you know when the hot girl says no, so you have a ton of beers (like 3) and then pick up the fat hitchhiker missing a few teeth in the front on the way home. Its called a warm body.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 21, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Tampa Bay is going to give the Caps a run for their money. Atlanta is going to be interesting as well. Look at the size of their roster. The Caps will be in a lot of pain after playing Atlanta. Teams seem to be adding more grit out there.

Posted by: pkme | September 21, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

If the purpose is to win the Cup and this group hasn't gotten the job done, why keep taking bites at the apple with the same crew?

Posted by: ablake70

You obviously missed the documentary "5 Bad Days". Its playing all over DC right now. The caption reads "They didn't panic or make knee-jerk reactions".

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 21, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

@ pkme

Ovi was actually talking about going out every night this summer. The Russia House and Josephine's stories were unsubstantiated.

Also, I think it's naive to think that these guys leave the ice and go straight home to think about hockey. There were Pens fans on the HFboards claiming that the Pens, including Sid, were seen partying hard during the Carolina series. I don't know if it's true, but the stories are out there. What I do know is that Saint Sid missed an optional skate during the Pens series vs the Habs. Some leader!

Posted by: ablake70 | September 21, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

@ cstanton1...

Have you ever managed or coached a hockey team? At what level? Just curious...

Posted by: boomer44 | September 21, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

You obviously missed the documentary "5 Bad Days". Its playing all over DC right now. The caption reads "They didn't panic or make knee-jerk reactions".

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 21, 2010 4:59 PM

LOL! I missed that one. Was it any good? I think I'll wait for the sequel, "Same Sh*t, Different Day."

Posted by: ablake70 | September 21, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 21, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

@pkme- not to echo ablake70's comment, but when did OV say he was partying during the playoffs , or the reg. season for that matter? I could care less what he does in between games as long as he keeps playing the way he does. The only problem I'd see is if he were smoking the shwag instead of the KB, that would be inexcusable for a player of his stature.

Posted by: FunkyGloveFacewash | September 21, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

@chombie13...look what the change for the sake of change got us in th eWhite House...change is not always a good thing...the Caps have alot of potential, three balanced scoring lines, and even though I thought Poti would be off the books next year, McPhee has a plan to keep the core of this team intact so he knows what he needs to do in order to sign our RFA's next year (Varlamov, Neuvirth & Alzner) plus we need to get Laich resigned soon, he is a UFA

Posted by: boomer44

it must be near thanksgiving because that is the sound of a turkey gobbling up a bunch of BS

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 21, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I don't mind this: Poti - Carlson was our best defense pairing in the playoffs, by far. And it gives Orlov a couple years to bulk up and get stronger - which from what I saw this summer he's well on his way to doing, in which case it is a trade-able contract.

My big problem with this scenario is it seems to leave Green-Sarge as the #1 pairing - not a role for which either [JS in particular] seemed very well-suited during those recent "5 bad days."

Posted by: Timbo_1 | September 21, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I was really hoping that after this season the Caps were going to let the 33 year old Poti go and acquire a younger defenseman in his mid to late 20's to bring in. Or if not that at least an older vet like Poti but one with better size and a postseason record.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | September 21, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

@ cstanton, try to offer something constructive instead of attacking...just once maybe?

Posted by: boomer44 | September 21, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_H0Rn7mInQ4I/S2JRa64cJPI/AAAAAAAAAXM/y1VGDaVNdHQ/s400/Patrick-Kane-shirtless.jpg
(that one's from Capt Kirk's personal library)

Posted by: cstanton1

It took 10 minutes to regain my sight after seeing this. Probably should have read the title of the link before clicking.

*Note to self: Don't click on any more links posted by cstanton1*

Posted by: ablake70 | September 21, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

My big problem with this scenario is it seems to leave Green-Sarge as the #1 pairing - not a role for which either [JS in particular] seemed very well-suited during those recent "5 bad days."

Posted by: Timbo_1

But remember that this signing if for 2011-2012 and 2012-2013. By 2011-2012 it is very possible that Carlson/Alzner will be the Caps #1 D pairng with Green/Schultz being the #2 D pairing.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 21, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Poti will be making $3.5M this season while Josh Gorges will be making $1.1M, both in the last year of their respective deals...

who is the better D-man??

Posted by: joek443 | September 21, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

@joek443

Josh Gorges is an RFA after this year and he will also get a significant raise from last year.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 21, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

I see that the Habs are $2M plus over the cap right now... think you can get Gorges for a first round pick.

he's only 26, I heard Don Cherry say he shold be the captain of the Canadiens... I would give up a first round pick for him right now

Posted by: joek443 | September 21, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Without any knowledge of how is eye injury will affect him this season?

If you add up GM's body of work in the last few months, I am a bit scared.

Posted by: CF11555 | September 21, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

@joek443

They have a lot of money coming off with Hamrlik($5.5M) and Markov ($5.75M) becoming free agents even though Markov is likely to re-sign. That $5.5M created by Hamrilik leaving will likely go to defense(i.e. Gorges). A. Kostitsysn ($3.25M) is also coming off. According to capggek.com they have about $26M in cap room for next year. So they have room to maneuver

Gorges would be great to get but Montreal would likely match any decent offer for him(at least up to $4M/yr and probably more).

Posted by: sgm3 | September 21, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Let me clarify. If any of us were in OVi's shoes I am pretty sure we would be out there having fun, drinking, among other things. Most of us in our twenties were partying anyway. Add millions and being a professional athelete and we would all take it. I think OVI is a young fellow who enjoys the party. I will say I thought his first three years in the NHL he looked better, faster and more disciplined in his play. He also was ten to twelve pounds lighter. Go to google and type in OVI partying and a whole bunch of stuff shows up. Backstrom at the emd of the day will have better stats because of his career longevity and he is more disciplined in lifestyle. He also plays a more challenging position and is a more complete two way hockey player.

Posted by: pkme | September 21, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I hate tom poti.

Posted by: richmondphil2 | September 21, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

What did Shaone Morrisonn sign for, 2 yrs/$2M/yr?

What would you rather have, Poti next three years $9M total or ShaMo next three years say $6M total?

ShaMo at $2M/yr would have been very adequate as a 3rd pair over those years at a not bad price. You could have then afforded a higher-end D-man for first pair.

McPhee didn't like ShaMo though because he took the Caps to arbitration. Twice.

Geez, we could have had Andy Sutton two yrs $2.5M/yr. Not the best for sure but at least we get a different style.

Let's figure this out...Green & Schultz. Green in my book is first pair even on D. His stats scored on are good. Schultz is a second pair. Then we have the announced Carlson-Alzner pairing. They are both third pair quality for now, until they prove otherwise. And what's left? Poti-Erskine. Do you all remember last year, when they were matched together? It was so ugly, only their mothers could watch.

Six stick-checkers on D; a woefully out-of-position #2C; and no checking line to speak of.

I feel myself slipping closer to the Dark Side.

cstanton: When are you and joek443 slaughtering the next goat? I might put on a robe and come watch. Do you sing in Latin at these things?

Posted by: tominsocal1 | September 21, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

Poti and ShaMo played in the playoffs last year. Poti was significantly better and more effective than ShaMo. This even though he was playing only with other stick checkers. It was not Poti and Carlson(except for that play in game 7) that failed, it was the other pairs.

Now you add Alzner, a defensive defenseman(he didn't play when Poti was playing so he is an addition) to the mix.

I could care less how the Caps defensemen keep the opposition from scoring. You can do it with physicality or with speed and positioning or ideally you find a player who can do everything well(not very many of those).

Also you calling them stick checkers is a joke. It is about positioning.

Anybody who has ever played defense in a sport knows the importance of body positioning.

Think of CBs in the NFL. Being good has a lot to do with a player's ability to put their bodies in the right position for bump n' run coverage, for leading a wr to the sideline to give them less room, to leading a wr to a safety you know who has coverage over the top, to putting yourself in coverage to have the ability to impair a wrs ability to catch the ball.

Crosby is great in the corners because he knows how to position himself between the opposing player and the puck while using the boards as protection to give himself leverage and enough room where he can still play the puck.

Read anything on Lidstrom. He was fantastic because of his ability to get to an area before the offensive player and then his ability to shield the offensive player from getting to the puck. Then he also had great stick skills and awareness to clear the puck on tape to tape passes.

It sounds easy to beat a guy to a spot and shield him, but so many defensemen are not good at it.

Read anything about Chicago's defense this past year, or watch them. Seabrook definitely hit, but the others did not hit that much at all. But they were a great defense. Again this was because of their ability to get to pucks first (speed) and shield opposing players from being able to dislodge it (shielding).

Posted by: sgm3 | September 21, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3 - you make some good points. I also think part of what made Poti-Carlson such an effective pairing vs. MTL is that JC is surprisingly physical for a young feller - but he can take chances knowing Poti is back if he gets beat. I don't believe Green has anywhere near the same confidence that JS can cover for him if he steps up to nail a guy, at least not against top forwards in clutch situations, from what I've seen.

The Lidstrom comparison is intriguing - but I will note what John Davidson pointed out long ago when DET almost always put Lidstrom against Forsberg, which most commentators thought would overly favor the powerful "Foppa." But JD pointed out that Lidstrom is a "very powerful human" [I just loved that phrasing] and so it worked. Poti's stronger than he looks I agree, but I don't think he's anywhere near Lidstrom in terms of physical strength, IMO.

And you're right about Chicago's D - but 1-3 they are so deep, Hjalmarrsson is a beast even though he's only 23 - and he covers for Campbell's defensive shortcomings.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | September 22, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

@joek443 - think you can get Gorges for a first round pick...he's only 26, I heard Don Cherry say he shold be the captain of the Canadiens

Two things:
1) Yes I would definitely make that deal, damn Gorges is way better than I realized, &
2) I can't believe I agree with Don Cherry about something, who knew.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | September 22, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Poti had 19 hits last year, how can you play D and get only 19 hits? I guess they have no faith in any of the kids in the pipeline.

Posted by: Oldscool12 | September 22, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

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