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Tonight's lineup: Caps at Devils

Jose Theodore will start in goal tonight as the Eastern Conference's top two teams battle at Prudential Center. Martin Brodeur, meanwhile, will start for the Devils, who have won seven straight and 10 of their past 11 games.

Alex Ovechkin, Mike Knuble and Milan Jurcina are out with injuries.

The rest of the Caps' lineup should look like this:

Forwards
Fleischmann-Backstrom-Semin
Laich-Morrison-Fehr
Laing-Steckel-Gordon
Clark-Perreault-Bradley

Defense
Morrisonn-Green
Schultz-Poti
Sloan-Pothier

Goalies
Theodore
Varlamov

I'll have more later.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  November 14, 2009; 6:44 PM ET
 
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anyone have a good link for the game since it doesn't seem to be on tv?

Posted by: CapsSkins | November 14, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

CSN PLUS channel 3 for comcast basic

Posted by: coma47 | November 14, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

as always atdhe.net

Posted by: capsfan387 | November 14, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Go CAPS!!!! its on channel 1 on fios btw :)

Posted by: dmwechs1 | November 14, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

cox cable in ffx county it's channel 74

Posted by: dpierce4g63 | November 14, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

FiOS subscribers in Howard and AA counties in Maryland (possibly Harford too) won't see the Caps games tonight or tomorrow because we don't get CSN+. It was taken from us.

If anyone has FiOS but doesn't get CSN+, the place to let Verizon know you want it is in the Verizon Community Forum (FiOS TV Programming section, "Suggest Channels to Add to FiOS TV" thread). Be sure to give your location.

Verizon Customer Service Reps have told some folks that the best way to have their voice heard is to request CSN+ in those forums.

Posted by: grackle5 | November 14, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

No one's going to like hearing this, but B. Mo should take Ovie's spot on the point on the PP. He's been unbelievable there since Ovie's been out!

Posted by: Raber | November 14, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

GREAT START!!!!!!!!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | November 14, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

anyone have a link to the game?

Posted by: elicea | November 14, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Awesome!

Perreault is really getting off to a good start in NHL.

Posted by: grackle5 | November 14, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

adthe go ahead and use the 7:30 link

Posted by: grackle5 | November 14, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

what a start! :)

Posted by: dmwechs1 | November 14, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Perreault has flashes of St. Louis. Quick skates, quick hands, good passing, and lots of heart. I didn't think I'd say that about him when he came up, but he's really reminded me of Martin every time I see him on the ice.

Posted by: Raber | November 14, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Oh. My. Goodness.

-If only we could keep BMo at the point on the PP when #8 comes back....

-I LOVE me some Perreault!

GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: wocoliz | November 14, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

@ grackle5

Thanks

Posted by: elicea | November 14, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

lead cut in half. not at all confident with theodore..

Posted by: rachel216 | November 14, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Capsyoungguns:

Excellent comments and so far the game is proving you right. Yes, I was very impressed and encouraged by our balanced, 60-minute performance last night. |

Posted by: caraveli | November 14, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Caps vs. Devils - Hockey Night on Yahoo! Sports - http://tinyurl.com/ydd6fn5

Posted by: Terptwin | November 14, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

That was a flukey goal. I didn't see anything Theodore did wrong. He had to be in the center of the goal because the shooter was coming straight up the middle. The puck took a fortunate bounce of Pothier's leg.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 14, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

yahoo is blacking it out locally.

Posted by: grackle5 | November 14, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

I HAD NHL GAMECENTER LIVE BUT FOUND ATDHE.NET AND ALL NHL AND AHL ARE ON THERE TO WATCH EACH NIGHT FOR FREE.CHECK IT OUT IT WORKS!GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: gratefuldid | November 14, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Heck of an opening period boys!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | November 14, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Of course it wasn't Theo's fault on the goal. He played it exactly right, it was just an unlucky bounce. Of course, people will find a way to make it his fault because it is, for some reason, fun to bash Theodore (I realize he stunk last year but has been excellent this year).

Perreault needs to stay with this team. He is more valuable than both Fehr and Gordon, and the team will hopefully recognize this. He is an excellent player, and has the potential to help this team tremendously as a third line center for the short term, and likely as a second line center down the road (if he can continue to play as he has). He is productive offensively and seems to have woken up Chris Clark. Clark, Perreault and Laich would be an incredible third line once the full compliment of forwards has been restored.

Posted by: Aldred15 | November 14, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

After 1 period, Boyd Kane has the Hershey Bears up 1-0 over the w-b/scranton ugly flightless fowl.

Posted by: uncatim | November 14, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I agree, wtf. I love the way the guys have stepped up in Ovi's absence and made it clear that this is a TEAM to be reckoned with, not just a one-man show. (Sorry for the cliches.) I just hope the next two periods are as solid.

GO CAPS!

Posted by: wocoliz | November 14, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the Hershey update, uncatim!

Posted by: wocoliz | November 14, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Flash is on pace for over 50 goals in 71 games. How do you say en fuego in Czech? Wow!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | November 14, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

that didn't take long

Posted by: Chad8 | November 14, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

i feel so sorry for devils fans who have to listen to mike emrick. wow he's so awful..

where is varly??

Posted by: rachel216 | November 14, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

I am not seeing it with Laing.

Posted by: ralCapsFan | November 14, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Devs have come out this period with a purpose. I didnt think it would be easy. Weather the storm boys!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | November 14, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Caps are getting out worked.

Posted by: Raber | November 14, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Huge shift in the game with that last goal. Now the rested, home team has the edge. It'll take a huge effort to pull this one out.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 14, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

I can stand Emerick but can't stand listening to Chico Resch...

Posted by: joek443 | November 14, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

not good

Posted by: elicea | November 14, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

F'n Semin, that boy never learns.

Posted by: cbs75 | November 14, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Semin needs to stop doing that.... OMG I could've driven my car through that 5 hole

Posted by: Chad8 | November 14, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

someone tell semin that the caps are wearing white tonight, not red.

Posted by: grackle5 | November 14, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

B Mo had our "Mo" on his stick and couldnt cash it in....

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | November 14, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

wow devils take the lead. oh well the caps are tired...

i don't like to bash theo but he just isn't very good, period... i'm wondering how you think theo's been "excellent" this year..

Posted by: rachel216 | November 14, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Alzner puts Bears up 2-0, late 2nd.

Posted by: uncatim | November 14, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Dear JT, it's a contract year. You might want to pick up your game.

Also, $5 says Semin takes a dumb penalty before the game is over. Prob in the last 5 minutes of the 3rd.

Posted by: cbs75 | November 14, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Horrible, horrible play by Semin. Bad defensive change or not, Semin needs to know what's behind him and make a smarter play.

Yup, Morrison had the whole top of the net. Would have been similar to the goal he got a few games ago.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 14, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

there's no way they win if they don't pick it up. they've played a lackadaisical 2nd period and if they want to win they better wake up. it sucks cuz i think we all had a feeling this would happen. they look very sluggish.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 14, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

so close!!!!!

Posted by: elicea | November 14, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Bring in Varly. I don't care whether Theo's playing well or not, we're asleep and need a wake up call.

Posted by: Raber | November 14, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm gonna save a remote, and change the channel for awhile.

Posted by: cbs75 | November 14, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

pull Theo

Posted by: Chad8 | November 14, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Can we start playing Varly against the good teams? Please?

Posted by: butcherbaker | November 14, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

NJ is just pulling away now.

Posted by: elicea | November 14, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

theo just freezes on breakaways.. i think it's time for BB to name varly the starting goalie. let's be real, theo is NOT playing during the playoffs, we'll be screwed if he does.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 14, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

@cbs75-
I don't blame you... looks like I picked the wrong game to stop sniffing glue

Posted by: Chad8 | November 14, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Three -or -more has reared gus ugly head tonight. I am convinced that this would not be the case if Varly was in goal. My sense about tonight? Unless we score an exhorbitant number of goals, we will not win. That is classic Theo. He has had a few brilliant games but this is the base line. Can't win unless we score 5 goals or so.

It would be so terrific to win tonight and boost the guys' confidence as a complete 60-minute team with or without Ovi. BB loves Theo. He wants to heap chance upon chance on him. Am I wrong in thinking he is the difference-maker?

Posted by: caraveli | November 14, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Okay Caps,

Better luck next game. I have no hope for tonight at all.

I think I know who the healthy scratch will be on Tuesday when Ovi returns.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 14, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

The Devils just sit back, wait for you to make a bad pass or give the puck away then kill you in transition with numbers. This is especially true when they have the lead. It may be boring to watch but it's smart, team hockey.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 14, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I meant, three -or -more has reared HIS ugly head and not "gus" ugly head tonight.

Posted by: caraveli | November 14, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

@Chad8: LMAO!! Thanks. I needed that.

Posted by: wocoliz | November 14, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Horrible, horrible play by Semin. Bad defensive change or not, Semin needs to know what's behind him and make a smarter play.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 14, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

you know who else makes that mistake all the time? Ovie

Posted by: joek443 | November 14, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

@Chad8

Varly's too gassed to play in this one. Plus, why waste him in a farce like this when the chances of them getting enough goals to tie are slim and none.

Thank God, it's only the regular season. Theo is definitely not a goalie for the playoffs.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 14, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Morrison had a gimme on his stick and put it over the net.

Then Brodeur completely robbed Clark and also got a little bit of luck. I think the puck hit the post after Brodeur tipped it.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 14, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

joek443,

Completely true about Ovie making those sketchy cross-ice passes as well. I brought that up in one of the game threads last season and got flamed. He hasn't done it nearly as often this season but he has a tendency to bring the puck over the blue line stop and telegraph passes cross ice.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 14, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Disgusting. We lost a 2 point lead. Bring in Varly.

I think BB is in denial about Theo. Varly was hot in two games, why change it? I thought you are supposed to ride a hot galie. \

I predict he will bring Varly in for the 3d period but is it too late?

Posted by: caraveli | November 14, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Good point, Joe. At least we still have the third period to try to pull at least a point out of this mess.

Posted by: wocoliz | November 14, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Theo is just too inconsistent and I he's just not very good, he's always flopping around..

Posted by: rachel216 | November 14, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

@joek443

Yes that is true. (Ovi does make that same mistake.) But any mistake by Semin is magnified and brings out all the haters.

He has less margin for errors.

I figure I should enjoy him this year, while I still can.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 14, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Oh, how easily some give up even though the game is still 20 minutes away from truly being over. This Caps team can score a lot of goals. Coming back from being down by two goals is very much probable for this team. Everyone keep your heads up, still plenty of time left.

Posted by: elicea | November 14, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

CapsFan-

I hear ya. Just sucks watching Theo out there getting pounded. Everyone will blame him for sure, even though it's odd man rush after odd man rush against him

Posted by: Chad8 | November 14, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

@Raber

It's not worth it to bring in Varly tonight. Number One -- Varly's too tired. Number Two -- it's a lost cause.

(I'm mainly saying this because it's against NJ and it's a goalie we can't seem to solve. We already got our quota of goals against the guy.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 14, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm not trying to defend Theodore but consider these facts:

- He's playing with a tired team in front of him.

- All 4 NJ goal involved odd-man situations (2 PPGs, a breakaway and a 3-on-2).

- The first goal was flukey and Theodore was in position.

There is no telling if Varlamov would have done any better given all those facts.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 14, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Thank God, it's only the regular season. Theo is definitely not a goalie for the playoffs.

Posted by: CapsFan75

If he plays in the playoffs, I hope not, he'll get pulled in the first period or give up 6 goals. BB should name Varly the number 1 goalie, Theo is far too inconsistent. I know Varly was not great early on, but in 2 games he's been really good and if he keeps playing like he is playing, BB should go with the hot hand. You can't win with a goalie as inconsistent as Theo.

But I would not play Varly tonight... the team looks dead and I don't see them scoring 2 goals.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 14, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

@cbs75

Don't blame you for changing the channel. I don't plan to watch the rest of it either. I should plan to do something productive instead of posting here.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 14, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

elicea

You are absolutely now. Ordinarily a two-goal deficit would be nothing for the Caps. But given the inbalance between Brodeur and Theo I do not believe it can be surmounted. If Varly comes in and the team has a second wind, maybe.

Posted by: caraveli | November 14, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

There were a few good chances in the 2nd for us, I'm not giving up on the 3rd. We need one to turn the tide and get some momentum.... 4 unanswered goals, yikes

Posted by: Chad8 | November 14, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

@ rachel216: "Theo is far too inconsistent. I know Varly was not great early on, but in 2 games he's been really good and if he keeps playing like he is playing, BB should go with the hot hand. You can't win with a goalie as inconsistent as Theo."

That's interesting. By what you've just stated, doesn't it also mean that Varly has been inconsistent as well. Sure he's been solid these past couple games, but whose to say that he'll be playing like this two or three weeks from now.

Posted by: elicea | November 14, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Close, whew

Posted by: Chad8 | November 14, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Pitiful

Posted by: Chad8 | November 14, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

You are absolutely now. Ordinarily a two-goal deficit would be nothing for the Caps. But given the inbalance between Brodeur and Theo I do not believe it can be surmounted. If Varly comes in and the team has a second wind, maybe.

Posted by: caraveli | November 14, 2009 8:50 PM |

lol. Varly is not the one to win this game.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 14, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

If Varly isn't hurt, then Boudreau gets an assist on that goal.

Posted by: Raber | November 14, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

@ caraveli

I think it has more to do with the team defense than Theo. Maybe I'm being way too optimistic, but If I learned something from last year and the year before, I'm not going to give up until the clock hits 0.

And as I type this NJ scores again... Oh well, still being optimistic.

Posted by: elicea | November 14, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Dear Semyon,

Please be our #1 goalie.

Thanks.

Signed,

Every singe Caps fan

Posted by: AlexVa1 | November 14, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I hear ya. Just sucks watching Theo out there getting pounded. Everyone will blame him for sure, even though it's odd man rush after odd man rush against him

Posted by: Chad8 | November 14, 2009 8:45 PM |

Exactly.

The Caps look like absolute crap tonight, minus the first 5-6 minutes.

Theo??? No...The 5 other players on the ice...Yes.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 14, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Well Varly needs to play more games in a row and then we'll see... Theo's been inconsistent the entire time he's been a Cap.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 14, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Okay Caps,

Better luck next game. I have no hope for tonight at all.

I think I know who the healthy scratch will be on Tuesday when Ovi returns.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 14, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

-------------------------

Who's your choice for scratch?

Posted by: Chad8 | November 14, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

So would you say that Theo's been consistently inconsistent?

Posted by: Chad8 | November 14, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Dear Semyon,

Please be our #1 goalie.

Thanks.

Signed,

Every singe Caps fan

Posted by: AlexVa1 | November 14, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

You can exclude me from that. Do I think Varly will be the future? yes, but right now? I don't think he's quite ready to take the #1 role just yet.

Posted by: elicea | November 14, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Who cares about the goaltender here?

You guys are watching the same game I am correct? Blaming the goaltender is far too easy and most of the time a cop-out for the piss poor play demonstrated by the 5 skaters on the ice.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 14, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

You def. can't say Theo had NOTHING to do with this.. you can say it was the five players AND Theo...

Posted by: rachel216 | November 14, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

We're talking about 60/40 split either way so its not that big a difference from his current role.

Posted by: AlexVa1 | November 14, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil |

The Caps looked great in the first period when we were ahead by 2 points. They started giving up little by little when we couldn't maintain the lead and then lost the lead. The second goal against us changed the entire dynamic.

Posted by: caraveli | November 14, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

The Caps are looking very tired out there tonight (during their third game in four nights). Leading up to #5, Backstrom yielded the face-off and no one moved. It looks like the Caps are going to fall to 0-2-1 against the Devils.

Posted by: Terptwin | November 14, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Exactly.

The Caps look like absolute crap tonight, minus the first 5-6 minutes.

Theo??? No...The 5 other players on the ice...Yes.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 14, 2009 8:58 PM

I'm not going to deny that the rest of the team hasn't been playing well either. That's why I wanted a goalie change after two periods - to wake the players up. You can't blame that 5th goal on anyone else.

Posted by: Raber | November 14, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

This just in: Boyd Gordon hurt, no impact whatsoever.

Posted by: Chad8 | November 14, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

@Chad8

I don't know who I would personally choose to scratch. I'm just afraid that my favorite "bad boy" is the logical person to scratch.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 14, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes, all six play like crap.

Posted by: AlexVa1 | November 14, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Well Varly needs to play more games in a row and then we'll see... Theo's been inconsistent the entire time he's been a Cap.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 14, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

That, I can agree with. Though, I also think that Theo shouldn't get flamed too much for this game. Like what some have said, most if not all of New Jersey's goals are due to more of the team in front of Theo, then Theo himself.

Posted by: elicea | November 14, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Yes everyone has played bad but don't excuse Theo from this, he hasn't played well either. It's not ALL the five skaters fault. It's him too. Even if he's facing a lot of pressure, he's the one that's suppose to be "fresh" since he hasn't played in a while.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 14, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

@elicea

Caraveli said it all. Most of the time, a small deficit is no major problem for the Caps. But this is NJ whose goalie is Martin Brodeur, a guy the Caps can't beat. They needed to be perfect and they weren't.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 14, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Theo has not been good at all, particularly on the last two. The entire team hasn't been good enough to win, but if theo plays halfway decent maybe they are only down one right now.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 14, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

That's why I wanted a goalie change after two periods - to wake the players up. You can't blame that 5th goal on anyone else.

Posted by: Raber | November 14, 2009 9:03 PM |

I'm not too concerned about the 5th goal. I'm more concerned about the first 4.

@caraveli
I disagree that the Caps looked better in the 1st. I agree they looked better in the first 5-6 minutes.

@rachel
I never said Theo had nothing to do with this, but it's already been pointed out that all the goals (minus the 5th) were on odd-man breaks or the PP.

Blaming the goalie is too easy.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 14, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Mathieu Perrault has played pretty well at both ends of the ice.

Posted by: uncatim | November 14, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

All you ask of your goalie is to stop the routine ones. Theo can't. He's morphing back into the Theo we knew last year.

I'm on board with BB's style of high risk high reward but gee, how frickin good could we be with a decent goalie. Unreal.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | November 14, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

This must be Nylander's fault.

Posted by: kcbrichmond | November 14, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

@Chad8

So Boyd Gordon has reinjured himself. I'm not watching the game.

That means my bad boy is not a healthy scratch on Tuesday. (And I'm looking forward to seeing Ovi on Tuesday.)

My favorite Caps, and they are actually co-favorites: Ovi and my "bad boy".

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 14, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

The double standard is hilarious. Even when Varly does as bad as Theo, the board never looks like this. Even when he is the sole reason for bouncing us out of the 2nd round.

It's one game. The Caps looked horrible out there and Theo was okay. Again, blaming Theo seems like a cop-out and is just the easiest thing to point out. I never "excused" Theo, but I don't really care. He hasn't been spectacular, but he hasn't been bad either. You fix the goalie by starting the other guy next game. Fixing the forwards is much harder.

No one is excusing Theo, but get over it. He isn't playing any worse than 99% of the players in white.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 14, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

One gets by Neuvirth, then Kyle Wilson scores. Bears still up 3-1, 5:28 remaining in 3rd.

Posted by: uncatim | November 14, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Okay, everything has been an odd man break or on the PP... you know he can still stop them.. goalie is the last line of defense.

pokerfaceI208- He's always been one kind of Theo- three or more. He hasn't really changed.

And NO, I don't dislike Theo. He seems like a cool, nice guy. I don't like him as a goalie.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 14, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Can't win em all guys, this was a stinker but we'll be back.... hopefully with a healthy Ovie. Good night all- I'm going to watch the rest of this one quietly and then cry myself to sleep. Peace out.

Posted by: Chad8 | November 14, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Even though I hadn't much hope for winning this game they rose considerably after such a good start and now they are dashed again. Disappointment is what I feel.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | November 14, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

I hope we don't play NJ in the playoffs. 0-3 against them.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 14, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Mathieu Perrault has played pretty well at both ends of the ice.

Posted by: uncatim | November 14, 2009 9:07 PM

That's why he gets the steak from The Palm.

Posted by: uncatim | November 14, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

All you ask of your goalie is to stop the routine ones. Theo can't. He's morphing back into the Theo we knew last year.

___________________________________

That might be your opinion. Personally, I am still waiting for Varlamov to morph into the goalie we saw the first 10 games in the playoffs last year. Haven't seen it.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 14, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

rachel216, Don't worry about that, we had a winning record against the Pens last season and they knocked us out on their way to winning the SC.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | November 14, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Bears win, go Neuvy!! :)

Posted by: rachel216 | November 14, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

The double standard is hilarious. Even when Varly does as bad as Theo, the board never looks like this. Even when he is the sole reason for bouncing us out of the 2nd round.

It's one game. The Caps looked horrible out there and Theo was okay. Again, blaming Theo seems like a cop-out and is just the easiest thing to point out. I never "excused" Theo, but I don't really care. He hasn't been spectacular, but he hasn't been bad either. You fix the goalie by starting the other guy next game. Fixing the forwards is much harder.

No one is excusing Theo, but get over it. He isn't playing any worse than 99% of the players in white.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 14, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse


Well said.

Posted by: elicea | November 14, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Even on the 5th goal, I don't think Backstrom could've made it any easier for the Devils to win the face-off. It was about as clean a win as I've seen in a while.

The Caps have played some outstanding team hockey the past few games. We faced a super hot team tonight that was rested and waiting for us. Great start and some missed opportunities to score. Morrison had a gimme. Brodeur got some help from a post. Semin handed them the lead with a completely brain dead play. The Devils took advantage.

Can't win 'em all.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 14, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm not too concerned about the 5th goal. I'm more concerned about the first 4.

...

Blaming the goalie is too easy.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 14, 2009 9:06 PM

I actually don't blame Theo for the goals really. They were hard stops, some of which you'd like a goalie to make just to keep your team in it, but they would have to be great saves.

While I agree that the first four with odd man rushes were defensive (and sometimes offensive) gaffes, the team was on the downswing after a lousy second period. As a coach, you need someone who hasn't been playing (and wants to) to step up and light a fire under the team. Theo went back in and gets scored on early in the 3rd, and all hopes of scoring again are gone.

Varly may not come in and win the game, but he has a much better shot at pumping the team up for a 3rd period than the goalie who let in 4 (his fault or not). Starting Theo in the 3rd led to us coming out flat (again) and Theo let in a shot from a bit too far with no screen.

It's not about Theo, it's about the goalie change. Put Leonhardt in the game and the team's going to wake up, even if only for a bit.

Posted by: Raber | November 14, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Oh well, another weird loss after a back-to-back. Knuble's absence seemed to have an unusually strong effect on the team, and some of these lines combo don't seem to be clicking.
Clark had a chance to get us back in there but Marty came up huge.
After a strong 5-10 minutes in the 1st, Caps were dead flat. The 2nd period was pretty pathetic. And no one is coming back from a 3 goal deficit from Lemaire and his trap.
Theo was okay. The reason for losing this game? No.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 14, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

@Richmond

"The double standard is hilarious. Even when Varly does as bad as Theo, the board never looks like this. Even when he is the sole reason for bouncing us out of the 2nd round"

He's also the sole reason we GOT to the 2nd round. Theo stays in net and we're out of the playoffs in 5 games.

Varly is NOT the SOLE reason we got bounced in the 2nd round. NOBODY showed up for game 7 at HOME which is very depressing.

The bottom line is Theo can't stop average shots and Varly's glove has too many holes in it. If we had a goalie who could stop average shots who knows what we could accomplish when the real season starts.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | November 14, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

If I'm not mistaken, that was the first game we've lost this season by more than a goal.

I wonder if that's a Capitals record. I would think it is.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 14, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

The double standard is hilarious. Even when Varly does as bad as Theo, the board never looks like this. Even when he is the sole reason for bouncing us out of the 2nd round

Posted by: richmondphil | November 14, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

didn't someone say on here just now that blaming the goalie is too easy?? LMAO

Posted by: joek443 | November 14, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil- I guess you didn't watch the Islanders and Wild game.. he's played awesome in those games. What more do you want?

Posted by: rachel216 | November 14, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

It's not about Theo, it's about the goalie change. Put Leonhardt in the game and the team's going to wake up, even if only for a bit.

Posted by: Raber | November 14, 2009 9:24 PM |

I understand what you are saying, but others are just putting the blame on Theo. As opposed to your suggestion of a goaltender change, which honestly, I was expecting anyway.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 14, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

didn't someone say on here just now that blaming the goalie is too easy?? LMAO

Posted by: joek443 | November 14, 2009 9:25 PM |

Are you telling me that that game wasn't, for the most part, on him?

Blaming the goalie is far too easy, but it does not follow that the goalie cannot be blamed. That's just a bad inference.

@rachel

Come on now..that's far too easy.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 14, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

I blame their goalie as much as either of ours.

Posted by: uncatim | November 14, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

didn't someone say on here just now that blaming the goalie is too easy?? LMAO

Posted by: joek443

That's kinda funny! So he said it's just too easy to blame a goalie yet he blamed only Varly for that game 7...

Posted by: rachel216 | November 14, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line is Theo can't stop average shots and Varly's glove has too many holes in it. If we had a goalie who could stop average shots who knows what we could accomplish when the real season starts.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | November 14, 2009 9:24 PM |

At least you are showing Varly's fault as well.

When Theo does bad, I blame him. I just don't really blame him much for this particular game. When Theo does good, I praise him. I haven't praised Theo for this game either.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 14, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Theo's numbers are going to go from bad to worse and it's not entirely his fault. I think BB should have started Varly tonight.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | November 14, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

That's kinda funny! So he said it's just too easy to blame a goalie yet he blamed only Varly for that game 7...

Posted by: rachel216 | November 14, 2009 9:29 PM |

When you go to college, take a course in logic. It might help.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 14, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Theo's numbers are going to go from bad to worse and it's not entirely his fault. I think BB should have started Varly tonight.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | November 14, 2009 9:31 PM |

Start Varly on a back-to-back? why?

I agree with Raber that Theo should have been pulled in the 3rd. But I don't blame BB for starting Theo.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 14, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I don't even know why we're discussing the goaltending right now anyway... don't think it would have made any difference had Varly been playing tonight

maybe they would have lost by one or two

and NO I don't blame the game 7 loss on Varly... he's the reason why the series went to 7 games in the first place, the Pens could have easily won it in 5 or 6

Posted by: joek443 | November 14, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

To see how Varly would handle it plus, the team seems to play better in front of Varly.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | November 14, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

don't even know why we're discussing the goaltending right now anyway... don't think it would have made any difference had Varly been playing tonight

maybe they would have lost by one or two

and NO I don't blame the game 7 loss on Varly... he's the reason why the series went to 7 games in the first place, the Pens could have easily won it in 5 or 6

Posted by: joek443 | November 14, 2009 9:34 PM |

As far as your first sentence, that is exactly my point. Why are we talking about goaltending when the Caps played such a bad game?

The second point really has no bearing. I was pointing out a hypothetical situation for a reason. I am fully aware that Varly was the only reason we made it to the 2nd round.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 14, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

@uncatim,

I'm not sure $100 gets a whole steak at the Palm. Maybe a steak, but no sides.

As for the game, yuck. I think the double standard between Varly and Theo is that Varly is young and has some weaknesses which get exploited for soft goals. There is hope that he will iron those out and become a great goalie. Theo is maddeningly inconsistent, which is why he gets lambasted after a bad game. He'll be brilliant one game and then just terrible.

That said, I don't blame him for the loss. ShaMo was invisible, Sloan was shaky, the wings her universally unable to sustain any pressure, etc. I'm sure practice on Monday will be, um, lively.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | November 14, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil- lol, maybe you should. I just think what you said makes no sense. You said "Blaming the goaltender is far too easy and most of the time a cop-out for the piss poor play demonstrated by the 5 skaters on the ice."

But then you said Varly is the SOLE reason why we lost in game 7. You just contradicted yourself. And if that was intended to be funny it was really lame and not funny at all, but thanks anyway.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 14, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Not feeling the love here board members.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | November 14, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Not much love on the ice tonight, FLCapsFan.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | November 14, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

There doesn't need to be love here.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 14, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

I know blaming the goalie is too easy but I blame the 86 playoff loss the rangers on pete peeters for all the five hole and bad angle goals he let in...

Posted by: joek443 | November 14, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm just an old hippie, peace out man (and woman).

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | November 14, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

@rachel

Does it follow that a goaltender cannot be blamed if it is easy to blame a goaltender? No it does not. That is just a bad inference.

It's far too easy to blame the goalie, but it does not follow that the goalie cannot be blamed. This is simple stuff here.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 14, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

I thought we played a real solid first period, obviously a poor second and worse third. Theo was blameless on the the first goal and the breakaway, but otherwise didn't play too well either.

Everyone here is looking for something to blame. I think the blame can be placed on the following:

The back-to-back game

Our opponent being the hottest team in the NHL, with the best goalie all-time between the posts

and of course the key injuries we have.

That said I think we'll have a big game tuesday against the Rags.

LETS GO CAPS

Posted by: apollak8 | November 14, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I know blaming the goalie is too easy but I blame the 86 playoff loss the rangers on pete peeters for all the five hole and bad angle goals he let in...

Posted by: joek443 | November 14, 2009 9:46 PM |

Well, at least you understand what I am saying.

The goalie can definetely be blamed for games and bad performances, but far too many times the goalie gets too much of the blame. Likewise, the goaltender usually also gets far too much praise for a team win.
It's just part of being that position. This applies to pitchers as well, but it's much easier to isolate mistakes/individual events in baseball.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 14, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Yes its easy to blame the goal tender but sometimes - its the goaltenders fault. Tonight? No - not entirely. But if you saw Bruce in the postgame - he basically called out Theo on two goals. What I'm saying is this - if its now 60/40 in favor of Theo - lets make it at least 50/50.

Posted by: AlexVa1 | November 14, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm already getting over the disappointment of this loss. Now it's onto the NYR and let's kick their butts.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | November 14, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

AlexVa1, Did he call out anybody else? If not, he should have.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | November 14, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

How bout this folks. Theo played bad. There, whatever. Talking about it isn't going to change the fact that he is one of our 2 goalies. It's not like he is going to be our playoff goalie anyway.


So..Lets talk about how we seem to be hit-or-miss with back-to-backs this year.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 14, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

no I was just kidding about blaming it on peeters... as I recall he didn't play that bad even with those weird goals he let in

it was the coming out party for vanbiesbrouck

Posted by: joek443 | November 14, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

What's our back-to-back record so far?

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | November 14, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

What's our back-to-back record so far?

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | November 14, 2009 10:01 PM |

That weird OT loss to the Isles, then that 6-4 win over FLA.

So, now 1-1-1.

Funny thing...our one back-to-back win was when Theo was given consecutive starts. When we switch the goalie, we lost. Maybe Varly should have started tonight...

Posted by: richmondphil | November 14, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

7-4 win to FLA.*

Posted by: richmondphil | November 14, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

OK, I just looked it up we have lost two (one in OT) and won one. So out of a possible six points we have netted three. Not too bad I'd say.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | November 14, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

See, another reason for starting him.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | November 14, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

POSTGAME THOUGHTS:
Ok so there must've been some computer glitches or all of you are really good psychics and knew this was coming tonight. Yikes LMAO. Ok a promising start turned into a clunker. It felt like Deja Vu taking the lead - the Devs get their first goal off a Caps D and then from there it was bad news.

I didn't see the 4th goal - and I'm not faulting Theodore. The Devils caught some breaks and they've been hot and the Caps got them at a hot time and not having some key players is a factor.

Devils may have the head to head battles won but if we make the playoffs and play them - I'd like to see what happens when we're at full health.

Goaltending - again not faulting Theo for the loss - but at some point if they can spank Nylander aside - I'd like to see Neuvirth come up and get some action this year just to see him gain more experience. We have to groom him. Just a curious thought.

The theme from tonight's game: S*** happens. Spit out your frustration and then get over it.

On to the Big Apple as Ovie returns.

Ice Breakers Goal Shakers

Posted by: Jonathan6 | November 14, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Disregard the first part of my last post. I posted on another link. Brain cramp. Back to our regularly scheduled posting.

Posted by: Jonathan6 | November 14, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

you can't win all the time but allowing 5 goals to New Jersey is too much. Move on to next game and forget it is the best advice here.

Posted by: Hazz | November 14, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

NJ is the last team to score 5 or more goals in a game this season and of course it had to come agaisnt the caps...

Posted by: joek443 | November 14, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

@Hazz

I knew it was over as soon as NJ tied it up and then got ahead. But I thought Clark had tied it up. Oh well.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 14, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Horrible game by the entire "first" line. Note the fact that I've put "first" in quotations. -9 collectively. Ice time reduced for the terrible trio who were split up before it was all over, apparently.

Second line actually had more ice time than the "first" line.

Will Bouds almost be ready to cobble together a line to put with Ovi on Tuesday. How about putting Perrault and Laich with Ovi?

Think the boys will be better Tuesday. They can't be any worse. It's easier to recover emotionally from a horrible game, like tonight's than from a series of really galling, close losses.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 14, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

If the Japers' crowd has their way, here would be Tuesday's line. (No, they didn't say it explicitely, but implicitly, this is what I would gather.)

Assumptions: Ovi is back; Gordon is not ready to come back, once again

#1: Ovi/Backstrom/Flash (No, NB and TF are not fired)

#2: Laich/Morrison/Fehr (what we started with for this game)

#3 Sloan/Perrault/Clark

#4 Laing/Stecks/Bradley

Yes, it's obvious who they are blaming for the loss and who they think should be scratched. Once again, I feel like the mother of the "bad kid".

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 14, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Just watched Gabby's post-game video. Ouch.

"You can only tell certain people so many times."

I think Semin's days are numbered. And I'm all for that. I think his trade value can get us a real hard-working and consistent performer.

Posted by: large23220 | November 14, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

On Theodore. Yes, he had a bad game but I know that Varly is not ready to do 90% of the starts and is not ready to do back to back games, at this point and be effective.

Next week's recommendations. I would start Varly against the Rangers Tuesday and against Montreal Friday. I would start Theodore against Toronto on Saturday.

I noticed that Theodore was getting more blame on this blog while my "bad boy" drew the brunt of the criticism on Japers'.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 14, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Just got back from Jersey and IMO everyone showed up except for Theo. I know I am not being extra hard on him because I was surrounded by some pretty cool Devils fans who kept asking me why our coach wouldn't pull Theo. One fan even said that Theo was the Devils best player tonight.

Anyhow, Prudential Center is a nice stadium and Devils fans were pretty cool.

Posted by: fanohock1 | November 15, 2009 1:27 AM | Report abuse

fanohock, Ditto. I was there last night and the arena is nice. It's a hockey arena. Before the game I walked over to the Ironbound neighborhood had a nice meal at Iberia Pennisula restaurant. The place has a different vibe then Verizon Center - not a whole lot of cheering for the home team. Then again, they don't have Sam or Goat.

Posted by: noreaster1 | November 15, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

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