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Tonight's lineup: Caps at Devils

Semyon Varlamov will get the nod in net tonight and oppose Martin Brodeur at Prudential Center as the Caps attempt to snap a two-game losing streak (0-0-2).

The rest of the lineup should look like this:

Forwards
Fleischmann-Morrison-Knuble
Laich-Backstrom-Semin
Laing-Steckel-Bradley
Sloan-Perreault-Clark

Defense
Morrisonn-Green
Schultz-Jurcina
Poti-Erskine

Goalies
Varlamov
Theodore

I'll have more after the game.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  November 4, 2009; 6:38 PM ET
 
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Go Caps!! Win one for Ovie!

Posted by: cbs75 | November 4, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Hope we see a Flash tonight that is worth the top line and not just teacher's pet Flash! That second line has some real potential. Here's also hoping Captain Clark uses this game to assert himself and make that fourth line interesting. If ever was a time for the team captain to be the team captain it is now!

Posted by: Kim-3 | November 4, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Erskin in, Pothier out. Good for the defense to add some size, but with Ovie out, I thought Pothier might get some PP time.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | November 4, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Line combos are good. They're leaving both BLS lines intact (although now the "old" 4th line is now the third line).

Oddly, I jokingly posted last week about the possibility of Flash moving to the first line. That has come to pass.

Good luck tonight, guys.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 4, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Just noticed...Erskine and Poti. Really???? That will either be really good or really bad. Thinking positive thoughts.

Posted by: Kim-3 | November 4, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

This should be an interesting game. Been looking forward to it all day. Let's "get going (-Dan Snyder)!"

Posted by: Unleash_The_Caps | November 4, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Emergency. What's going on everybody? Cox cable seems to have an outage. Where do we watch? Please hurry up with answers. I am desperate.

Posted by: caraveli | November 4, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

I am having trouble with Cox also. Do you have a TV that doesnt have a box? Im watching on that.

Posted by: SA-Town | November 4, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I too have cox problems, it seems to be a digital problem. I disconnected their box and went straight to my tv (a very old tv) and presto ch. 57 works. Try it. Bypass their box.

Posted by: isthatallthereis | November 4, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Perrault to Sloan. Eat crow haters ;-)

Posted by: Raber | November 4, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Didn't somebody on an earlier post call Tyler Sloan a "nobody"?

Posted by: uncatim | November 4, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Please excuse my inability to spell Perreault.

Posted by: Raber | November 4, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I forget who it was who talked about Sloan being useless and how bad it was we were playing Perreault instead of Nylander. They looked good on that play and also Clark for starting the play.

Posted by: icehammer97 | November 4, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

First goal of the night....Sloan from Perrault! Who would've thought?

Posted by: ablake70 | November 4, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

as

Posted by: isthatallthereis | November 4, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Perreault to Sloan. The new Gretzky to Messier!

Posted by: zmega | November 4, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

How about this for a line name for the Petteault, Sloan, Clark line: The Redemption Line considering how they have been treated on this site today

Posted by: icehammer97 | November 4, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Perreault to Sloan. The new Gretzky to Messier!

Posted by: zmega | November 4, 2009 7:39 PM

Haha. I don't think any of us would go that far.

Posted by: Raber | November 4, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

That's a strong first period.

I'm thinking more and more about the Pierre LeBrun piece on Bowman pulling Yzerman aside 15-16 years ago. This team can actually play defense if it's demanded.

It'll depend on who demands.

Posted by: saintex | November 4, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

SA-Town

Thanks so much. I hadn't thought of trying to watch a TV without a box. I have one and will do it right away. Thanks

Posted by: caraveli | November 4, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Sloan has been a very versatile player this season. The beauty of him is that if a D-man goes down he can slide right back...don't think this isn't planned.

Posted by: saintex | November 4, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm watching online for pretty close to nothing.

Posted by: saintex | November 4, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Yay! I can watch the game now. Who would have thought that the first goal would come from that line!

I have a feeling that the Caps will play good defense because they cannot rely on Ovi and because they want to prove themselves. So it is an attitude adjustment vs. lack of skill.

Posted by: caraveli | November 4, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Well Captain Clark did not disappoint in the first. Very oool. Funny though, it almost looked like they did not realize it was a goal. Everyone looked to keep skating. Thanks Captain! Way to get the fourth line crankin. A round of nachos to everyone.

Posted by: Kim-3 | November 4, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Missed most of 1st period, though I did get to see that great goal. Watching online with atdhe.net and the signal is fine, though it is the NJ feed.

Posted by: realoldcapsfan | November 4, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Kim-3,

It looked like Sloan's "wicked wrister to the roof" popped out so fast that Broudeaur didn't even know if it was a goal. Fear not, Perrault (damn French -Canadians) put it right back in. A very nice little play from that line.

Man, I love this team.

Posted by: saintex | November 4, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

guys, game is on sports.yahoo.com as well if you want to watch it there. Not a bad feed. My internet is slow and it hasn't stopped streaming yet

Posted by: UMWHockey | November 4, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Hello boys and girls! Anyone have a feed to the game?

Posted by: --Boo-- | November 4, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

bad luck on that bounce

Posted by: icehammer97 | November 4, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Boo, look up

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 4, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

I really hate the new NHL were any time someone loses their stick it is a slashing call. What happened to being able to play D on a player?

Posted by: icehammer97 | November 4, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Whoa Bruce has a .666 winning % and is playing the Devils. Trippy

Posted by: icehammer97 | November 4, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

dcsportsfan1:
I scrolled through quickly and didn't see a link, hence the post! :-) Sorry about that. But I have since gotten it - thx!!

Posted by: --Boo-- | November 4, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Might be time to switch Laich and Flash.The top 2 lines look fairly uninterested in this game. Perreault looks awesome though.

Posted by: Aldred15 | November 4, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad to see Perrault play well. Thought he might have some first game jitters, but he has looked good.

Posted by: ablake70 | November 4, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Perreault does look in fine form. Agree the first two lines are a bit confused....

Posted by: saintex | November 4, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Bears at Lowell - 2nd intermission
Bears lead 2-1 on goals by Aucoin and Osala. Neuvy in net.

Posted by: tess2201 | November 4, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

zzzzzZZZZZZZZzzzzzz...hoooo hummmm. lol

Posted by: Unleash_The_Caps | November 4, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Tess- thanks for the Bears update.

Posted by: uncatim | November 4, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

icehammer97 - Agreed about the slashing call every time a stick drops. Too much embellishment on many calls...

Posted by: gonchpup | November 4, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

something wrong with Backs?

Posted by: saintex | November 4, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

btw, Jared Boll just got his handed to him by San Jose's tough guy Brad Staubitz. Boll was runnin around hittin folks and Staubitz took care of him..

mcphee, get the nhl ticket, you can learn a little.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 4, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Interesting comment on the zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......


The guys could play this defensive style every game...wouldn't much care for it, would we?

Posted by: saintex | November 4, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

So far, I like Knuble but this is two games in a row, with the score tied, that he's been in the box in the third.

Posted by: saintex | November 4, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Bears now leading Lowell 4-2 with 5 minutes left in the 3rd. Goals by Aucoin (2), Osala, and Pat MacNeill. And cstanton1's favorite Bears Andrew Gordon has 3 assists.

Posted by: tess2201 | November 4, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Hat trick Aucoin!

Posted by: uncatim | November 4, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

And as soon as I hit 'submit', Keith Aucoin gets the hat trick!

Posted by: tess2201 | November 4, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Attendance in Lowell is just over 1,000. That's pathetic!

Posted by: tess2201 | November 4, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

AG is a better gordo than BG

how would that be specified in a mathematical equation?

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 4, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

haha the FLYING V! I'm not even mad about that one. That is HILARIOUS. Damnit come on Caps

Posted by: Aldred15 | November 4, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

lets not give Knuble too much crap for a boarding call, at least its an aggressive penalty. Means this team is at least pinning its ears back and getting after people. I'll take that over a lazy hook.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 4, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

semin -1 2 penalties sit his butt

Posted by: wendel2 | November 4, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Green with an own goal and Semin taking bad offensive zone penalties. This game has been boring to watch. Whichever team made the stupid plays would lose. We made the stupid plays.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 4, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Semin takes the dumbest penalties. That guy is uncoachable. Not sure he's worth the 4-5 million he's making.

Posted by: Unleash_The_Caps | November 4, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, those are two weak a$$ calls, especially on 9.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 4, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

got to love the stupid penalties....

Posted by: UMWHockey | November 4, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

and.......it's over. we suck...

Posted by: Unleash_The_Caps | November 4, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I love how everyone blames Semin for taking 2 penalties tonight for trying to be aggressive in the offensive zone, but never blame Morrison and Knuble who take at least one trip to the box each game. Knubles crosscheck was completely unneccessary.

Posted by: ablake70 | November 4, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Semin with the hat trick!!!

Posted by: puckman | November 4, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Interference...bad penalty, Alex!

Posted by: ablake70 | November 4, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

That was just dumb by 28. I think he needs to sit next to 92 in fla.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 4, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

LOL... the trifecta of dumb penalties for Semin.

Folks, we are the Washington Ovechkins. This team looks awful without his energy and abilities out there. I don't care if we're playing a defensive-minded game or not.

Our first game of losing by 2 goals or more not surprisingly comes with Ovechkin out of the lineup.

This is your creation, GMGM.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 4, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

semin his 3rd penalty wtf

Posted by: wendel2 | November 4, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

What a gutless group. No heart or willingness to compete whatsoever. Still getting outworked as usual

Posted by: O-V-P | November 4, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

The only reason Knuble was called was cause the guy "fell down." He didn't know the guy was going to dive...cough cough i mean "fall down." If you can't differentiate between (Semin's) dumb penalties and weak calls then nobody can help you.

Posted by: Unleash_The_Caps | November 4, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Semin penalty 3rd period, goal New Jersey. He is an extremely talented player who has no clue what he is doing in the team concept. He takes too many bad penalties, makes too many bad passes in the defensive half of the ice, and really isn't a good skater. He gets off balance too easily and either falls down or flops around with his stick waving in the breeze.
That being said, his potential should be worth a top defender in a trade. If they are serious about a Stanley Cup the Caps need to consider it.

Posted by: wgoodm01 | November 4, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Get off Green for what you call "an own goal". In this case, I think the term is unfair. He played it perfectly, trying to take away a centering pass. A lucky deflection for the Devils is all it was - just like the one that bounced of the boards away from Theo the other day. Sometimes crap happens.

Posted by: gonchpup | November 4, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

this squad sucks. no heart, no fight. a little bit of adversity (i.e.: no Ovie) and they throw their hands up, waiting for someone to do something. way to step up with all those lazy penalties Semin!

Posted by: puckheaded1 | November 4, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Green went down late and took a bad angle on that own goal.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 4, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

85 out there but not 28. The benching has begun.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 4, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Still no
28 with the empty net

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 4, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

The sad thing is the Devils played like crap for 2 periods. They looked lifeless until Clark started trying to get physical with them.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 4, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I don't even want to THINK about this team without Ovechkin. We are basically nothing without him. I'm just wondering, does anyone try to talk to Semin? Or try to tell him to use his brain and play smarter? I mean, his penalties are so so so stupid and they just come at the worst possible times. He's always doing that!!!!!!! He needs to play smarter. It's so frustrating. We need more accountability on this team. This team doesn't learn!! The same mistakes cost them every single game and nothing changes.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 4, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

@tmac2yao Are you even watching the game? That was not a good penalty by Knuble. He crosschecked the guy mid-back.

Posted by: ablake70 | November 4, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

When did I say that Knuble's penalty wasn't bad?

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 4, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

rachel: I hope the fact that Ovi was sitting in the press box getting an overhead view of the game gives him a true perspective of his buddy Sasha. If anybody can get through to Semin, I think that person is Ovi.

Posted by: tess2201 | November 4, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

The Devils truly looked awful for 2 periods. We could've walked away with points tonight if not for Semin taking a slew of offensive zone penalties.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 4, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

I'd love to see the comments by fans who continue to pretend that Semin isn't the worst offender when it comes to bad penalties.

More importantly, will Boudreau talk in general terms about the penalties post-game, or will he appropriately single out the offender.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 4, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

@ tmac2yao

Sorry, I meant Unleash_The_Caps

Posted by: ablake70 | November 4, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't want to whine but the Caps took too many dumb penalties late in the game again. They may have got out of there with points if they played smarter.

Anybody elso notice how large OV's hands are compared to JB's?

The big guys really stepped up tonight. Way to go!

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | November 4, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1,

I heard Boudreau call out Semin for his stupid penalties at least 3 times last season. The question is what he's going to do about it.

I think it's a virtual guarantee that he calls out Semin in some way or another tonight or tomorrow.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 4, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Rachel: Also, your guy Neuvy was in goal for the Bears 5-2 win tonight.

Posted by: tess2201 | November 4, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

It's just not good when after every loss we're talking about the SAME problem- penalties. BB is probably talking to them about it but it's not getting through. The players have to be smarter.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 4, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

@ cstanton

Semin is not the worst offender on this team for bad penalties. He hasn't had a penalty since the Detroit game. The worst offender in Knuble, but for some reason no one wants to admit that. I'll admit the interference call was bad, but on the other two, he was just being aggressive. And of course BB is going to call him out. He always does.

Posted by: ablake70 | November 4, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

If Green went down late to block the centering pass, wouldn't the pass most likely have made it to the intended target? Too many unrealistic, unsatisfied fans here in DC. I too prefer the wins and cringe at the losses, but this is a tough league, and to expect perfection from all 20 for 82 games just aint right. Semin still needs to get his head into it better, but we are lucky to have one of the best stick-handlers in the league. Next game, he'll probably "school" several defenders and end up with 4 points. Take the bad with the good, people....

Posted by: gonchpup | November 4, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

I think we were 1 goal down with about 5 1/2 minutes to go and we spent 4 of those minutes on the PK and gave up an additional goal. Is that a correct assessment of what transpired?

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | November 4, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

I think it's only aproprate that 28 sit in the 3rd in fla. Just can't afford to have him out there. I'd say sit him the whole game, but we don't have any extra fowards.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 4, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

yeah, talking and ACTION are two different things. Same old double standard. If a 3rd liner on this team took 3 minors in a game that we lost including 2 in the 3rd, betcha butt they'd be on the bench the following game. Front line players can do whatever they want with little to no repercussions. No wonder the same offenders keep doing the same things, there's no freaking accountability unless you're a grinder.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 4, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

The guy that Boudreau is hesitant to call out publicly is Ovechkin but I think we're all starting to see why. I am scared to think what this team would do for 20-30 games without him in the lineup and I think Boudreau has the same fear.

I almost want Ovechkin to sit out for 5-10 games just to find out what this team is really made of. GMGM would very possibly be on the hot seat by the end of that stretch.

More than even his goal scoring, Ovechkin seems to be the energy source for this team. As soon as he gets back, put that C on his jersey for crying out loud.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 4, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Total overreaction, Batman! Semin took his first penalties since the Detroit game. Morrison and Knuble are good for a 3rd period penalty a piece. Yet you want to sit Semin.

@cstanton

How long did it take for Boyd "I take penalties in the last 5 minutes of the game" to go out with "back spasms"?

Posted by: ablake70 | November 4, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

gonchup,

You may be right but it looked like there was another defender covering the Devil on the far post.

Either way, Green's defense was hardly the biggest problem tonight. He had an OK game.

The stupid penalty parade led by Semin did us in.

The Devils practically wanted us to win this game the way they played the first two periods. Only stupid play could cost us. Sure enough, we piled on the stupid in the 3rd.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 4, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

He may be a fantastic stick handler- but i for one think he tries to be fancy way too much. A LOT of times he tries to curl and drag and it leads to a turnover.

Thanks Tess! Yea Neuvy!!

Posted by: rachel216 | November 4, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

@dcsportsfan1,

Are you saying Semin should be disciplined?

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | November 4, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Semin has been committing these silly and untimely stick penalties in the offensive zone for years.

This was a game where we needed him to shine and he flopped royally. Let's see how he plays if Ovechkin is out for several more games. I'm not optimistic after this performance.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 4, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Cstanton, I have a feeling your going to see Bruce take some ice time from 28. He used words like stupid in the post game presser. Problem is, does 28 get fired up or sulk?

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 4, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Another strong first...and yet another weak third. The Caps need to learn to play 60 minutes of hockey, with or without Ovechkin. Lazy penalties should not be tolerated!

Posted by: Terptwin | November 4, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Flacapsfan, yes I am. It worked on that dasher board at the vc!!!

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 4, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

dcsportsfan1, we're getting on the same page then.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | November 4, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Uh... how many games have we been Ovie-less? He missed a few last season and others filled the void. This was one game. Give the guys a break. The top two lines both had different looks than most of the season, and it takes some time to gel. As for BB sitting Semin, it's not that cut-and-dried benching one of the top offensive talents in the league. Instead, you try other methods of reaching him. As someone else pointed out, Semin has been fairly clean for the past few games. A bad one here, I agree. Let's hope he brings his "A" game next time out, we win 8 - 0, the whiners will go away, and all will be well until the next loss....

Posted by: gonchpup | November 4, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Hi everyone.

Could not watch the game since Cox cable was out in our area. I just found out the results. Another one goal loss due to bad penalties. And, of course, my favorite player was the goat.

I think God knew what he was doing tonight by killing our access to cable tonight. I would have been fit to be tied if I had watched the game.

Do Svidanya, Sasha, after this year. It was nice knowing you.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 4, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

If Ovi is out for several games, this could be a statement time for Semin and Backstom contract-wise. Some would say they benefit greatly by the opposing teams' defensive focus on Ovi. But if Semin and Backstom are really $6-7 million players, they should be able to have success even without Ovi. Tonight was just one game, but it was not encouraging. It's time to nut up or shut up, boys.

Posted by: zmega | November 4, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Well folks. I don't think it is playing without Ovi that did us in; nor is it that the Devils were brilliant tonight; or that we lacked this or that type of player. The team as a whole did all the same things they do at every game they lose or barely win.

We didn't maintain the lead

We took 6 penalties to the Devils' two (3 of them by Semin)

And the defense was spotty at best. They left poor Varly on his own time and time again.

O yes, and the offense didn't connect on key passes and looked totally void of energy this time. I can see why Ovi's presence would energize them here but not on the rest.

Really, I want to know what you think. If we had won because Ovi had scored two extra goals would this be a good thing? It's just not sustainable. It makes players delude themselves into thinking they are better than they are. I am almost glad we lost as a result of playing poorly. I think there is a fundamental flaw here and Pierre Lebrune's piece has got me thinking.

I am so frustrated that the Caps started the season without having learned and improved from the previous season. Being a mother I wish I could ground them all for a week, with no television or telephone privileges.

Posted by: caraveli | November 4, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

And I'm one of those people that apparently continues to blindly hope that Semin can put it all together at some point. I've been hoping that we can resign him and keep him in the mix.

I think it would almost be good for the long-term outlook of this franchise if Ovechkin sits out for about 10 games. We can see which players' deficiencies have been masked by the total package that Ovechkin brings to the ice every night, most importantly his relentless desire to win.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 4, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Flacapsfan, that was a nice saucer pass that I one timed into an open net...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 4, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

@caraveli

I think it was God's plan for Cox to be down for tonight's game. I would have been to upset to watch.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 4, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Very well said, zmega.

Once again, I'd like to see more of what this team is capable of in Ovechkin's absence.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 4, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Well gang,

I say it's a good season if the Pens do NOT win the Eastern Conference finals this year. I don't care who wins--as long as it's not the Pens.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 4, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Does the Cherepovets Severstal team in the KHL need any offensive help?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 4, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

ov out for at least 2 months we better do some soul searching

Posted by: wendel2 | November 4, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

wendel2,

I assume you meant to say "if" he's out for 2 months. This team needs that guy like a car needs its engine.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 4, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

LOL. The only stupid thing tonight are the dumb comments about Semin.
Did anyone of you brilliant people see the game?
The reason the Caps lost this game is BB's fault. They all played out of sync. Why? the constant change of lines, these guys have not yet learned to play with each other. BB had them playing not to lose, playing defensive hockey which worked for most of the game, but it is not the best way to use the firepower this team has. Penalties happen in all games and goals are scored during those times, and yet teams manage to win - but when you do not use your personnel properly you will find yourself in a situation where you can not afford a simple mistake, which is what happened.
Regarding Semin penalties:
The first one was totally stupid or dumb I agree.
The second one was a guy going full speed ahead trying to make a play and losing control, I have no problem with penalties caused by excessive effort.
The third one. Total accidental and a bit of acting, the guy tripped over Semin's stick, I dont think Semin even realized that the guy was coming from behind.
To suggest that Semin should be sit or lose minutes or not play him when the Caps really need to score is what is DUMB, like cutting your nose to despise your face. THAT IS WHAT IS STUPID. THAT IS WHAT BB DID AND DOES.

And to the brilliant people on this blog, how come you don't b!tch about Knuble, morrison, and the others when they are penalized?

Posted by: hock1 | November 4, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

CapsFan75

Don't give on this team yet. It's just November, they still have a chance. Look at where the Pens were last year.

Posted by: ablake70 | November 4, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

@caraveli & @tmac2yao

This is one frustrating year. The guys can't seem to get it together at all.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 4, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

hock1, we do b!tch about them as well.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | November 4, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm very happy to see that San Jose beat Columbus. Yaa Hoo!

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 4, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

tmac2yao:

I completely agree. I also wish Ovi would sit out for many more games. He just masks our defensive weaknesses by helping us outscore opponents.

And what was up with the second line tonight? They were totally out of sync with each other.

Semin is extremely talented but not a team player. It looks to me that he plays more like an individual. He is also inconsistent. Unlike Ovi, who always throws himself in 150%, Semin often looks aloof and tentative. There are just my own impression. I am on the fence on what to think about him.

CapsFan75

A couple of our fellow bloggers pointed out that you could watch TV without the box, and it would work. I had a TV that did not have the box and was (unfortunately) able to watch the game. The first two periods were pretty good actually. The third was infuriating.


Posted by: caraveli | November 4, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

1. I don't think it's a good idea for any coach to call out his players in public. But if he's gonna do that, he's gotta do it fairly... meaning when OV and Green screw up, they should be called out just like the others.

2. I agree with Koken and May when they were kinda dumb-founded by BB's comments about Varly giving up 2 "iffy" goals in the third. A few goals Theo gave up in the last couple games were iffy. Could Varly have stopped those two shots? sure but they were hardly iffy.

Posted by: joek443 | November 4, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

AG > BG

is the mathematical way of expressing it.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 4, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

did BB call out Varly? Amazing. that guy played an excellent game. It is time the coach take some responsibility for his failures.

Posted by: hock1 | November 4, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

hock 1 have u ever played the game? most players play with differnt guys on a regular basis...they are pros....blaming bb is as stupid as you say semin ditrractors are.this lack of effort is the teams issue not the system

Posted by: wendel2 | November 4, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

POSTGAME THOUGHTS:
First the positive - Kudos to Perrault for coming up and scoring his first NHL point. What a pass to Sloan. His energy is infectious and he flies out there. Reminds me alot of Aucoin. That line fought hard tonight.

Well what can you say about the rest of the game. A good start but piss poor finish with dumb penalties again.

Semin - I read somewhere today from someone via a link on this board about Semin's agent not believing in discounts. I got news for Semin's agent. Start believing in discounts. Semin is doing a fantastic job of being consistently inconsisent. Make sense? Haha. He can score such pretty goals but overall he tends to be sloppy and out of control. Most times it seems his deficiencies outweigh the positives. Will someone please tell him that the curl and drag move is old and DOES NOT WORK when you try it over and over and over? Semin better be thinking about giving a discount. He's isn't worth big money. Sorry. That's a fact. When you can take your positives and make them far outweigh your negatives - then come calling. Sure it's been a while since he's avoided the penalty bug but tonight - when it counted most with Ovie out and his time to shine...he crashed and burned. That doesn't cut it. If Semin's going to change my mind he'll need to have a superior effort the rest of the season. This act is getting old. Otherwise GMGM can start looking to move him in a trade because his value could land something worthy in return. However, the question is will other teams take his talent despite his massive inconsistency. Oh and yea I'm rubbing salt in the wound tonight - but how appropriate after he came out of the box that he whiffed on that breakaway - PATHETIC.

This team needs to keep fighting. Onto sunny Florida then back home for two with the Panthers.

Ice Breakers Goal Shakers.

Posted by: Jonathan6 | November 4, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

What? BB pinned the loss on Varly?

Posted by: ablake70 | November 4, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

More for the bashers to digest... it's early in the season, and our beloved team is 5th out of 30, and only Buffalo has fewer actual losses. Flash is looking promising, Laich looks like he's in for a promising season, Morrison and Knuble will be valuable contributors, and with Ovie back in a few, it is not too far a stretch to envision an extended winning streak which could vault us right to the top. Have faith. These are not the Redskins.

Posted by: gonchpup | November 4, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Question:

Will Eric Fehr be available for Friday's game? If so, what line will he play? Will he play RW on the 2nd line with Backstrom and Laich? We DO need a right wing. Or will be replace Sloan on the 4th? I assume the 1st and 3rd lines will be left alone. (I figure a Friday return is a little optimistic for Ovi but would not be surprised to see him next week.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 4, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

@ ablake70

I wouldn't say he pinned the loss on Varly but I heard him say the two goals he gave up were iffy. Koken and May were kinda dumb-founded when he said that.. so was I

Posted by: joek443 | November 4, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Really? I can't believe that BB blamed Varly. "I agree with Koken and May when they were kinda dumb-founded by BB's comments about Varly giving up 2 "iffy" goals in the third.

They left the guy out to dry forcing him to face 6 penalties and giving him poor defense. He was better than the majority of players out there.

I am shocked that BB said this.

Posted by: caraveli | November 4, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

P.S. - And yes it is only November. Not panicking but hoping this team will get it together. To end again on a positive note - it was nice to see ALOT more in the way of aggressive backchecking tonight - something that had been MISSING BIG TIME. Let's hope that gets consistent.

Posted by: Jonathan6 | November 4, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

wendel2
I have played the game at the college level, but I do not consider myself a know-it-all and obviously I was not good enough to make it into the big league. What I can tell you is that it is a lot easier to play when you know your partner, you have a feel for where is and where he is going to be, you react and think less, you waste less time looking for them, and you make less mistakes. Have you played the game?

Posted by: hock1 | November 4, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

gonchpup, I like your optimism. If they learn to play smarter then we have a chance.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | November 4, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

@Hock1 - 1.Games against the Devils tend to be low scoring, due to their style of play. They are limited offensively, so you can't put them on the power play. Given their offensive limitations, it shouldn't be necessary to take a lot of penalties.
2. Changing of lines - Semin and Backstom have played together a lot. The best offensive player for the Caps tonight was up from Hershey for his first game.
3. BB, the TV announcers, the people here, all called out Semin for dumb play. His line - 0 pts, -1, 6 PIM, at $5M per year. You're the only one I've heard defending him. I guess we're all dumb, except you.

Posted by: zmega | November 4, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

@gonchpup & @hock1

Semin had been pretty good in the penalty department this year -- until now. It's like -- when he's bad, he's horrid.

Well, he does have a little curl in the middle of his forehead. (Gee, was the girl in the old nursery rhyme his ancestor or what?)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 4, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

How much talking about "not" taking stupid penalties does Bruce have to do before the Semin's and Knuble's comply?????? This is a pattern that has to be broken!!If at all possible sit 'em down ...Healthy scratches..Maybe they'll wise up, BB has to do something.....

Posted by: JCB9 | November 4, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Semin has been assigned to the Griffins on a conditioning stint.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | November 4, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

I don't think you can fault Varly. The first shot was just too good and the second was deflected on the way in. I guess BB is too upset to think straight.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | November 4, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

hock1 - Most here seem to know little besides what they witness. (no real understanding of the ins-and-outs). You are dead-on about these forwards needing some consistent time with each other - exactly what we see with Backstrom paired with Ovie, but even then, there will be nights when even the best will be out of synch.

Posted by: gonchpup | November 4, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

@zmega

Have you ever heard of Evgeni Malkin or Sidney Crosby? These two have had multiple 3 penalty games, including Malkin's gem in game 5 of the SCF last year.

Posted by: ablake70 | November 4, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

This team seems highly overrated to me. They make the same mistakes as last year and that's concerning. It's one thing to be the most talented team but it's an entirely other thing to know how to use it. No killer instinct and as much as I despise Pittsburgh, I have to admit they are a lot better than we are at this point.

Posted by: epwolff | November 4, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

3. BB, the TV announcers, the people here, all called out Semin for dumb play. His line - 0 pts, -1, 6 PIM, at $5M per year. You're the only one I've heard defending him. I guess we're all dumb, except you.

Posted by: zmega

well there is part of the problem, you can not think for yourself and make your own opinion, you have to rely on what BB, the dynamic duo of beavis and butthead, and the brilliant poster with their chants of Dumb penalties.

Posted by: hock1 | November 4, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

@caraveli

We could have done that (connecting the TV w/o the box) My husband considered it but decided it was too much trouble. (We're not mechanically inclined in our household.)

It was just as well I didn't watch it.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 4, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

zmega - No, I too feel Semin is very much worthwhile. He needs to work keeping his head in the game at times, but don't they all. 5 million a year brings high expectations, but not perfection.

Posted by: gonchpup | November 4, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

BB has consistently changed the lines since he has been here. His approach took a team from near the bottom of the standings to near the top. They are leading the league in scoring this year, I believe. The Devils can make a team look worse offensively than they really are, but I would sooner believe that a lack of energy and focus were a bigger factor than switching up the lines.

Posted by: zmega | November 4, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

When Semin scores 35-40 goals this year and ends up +20 on the year he will be worth every penny of $5 mil. We can revisit this conversation at the end of the year.

He is due for 3-5 of these games a year. It mainly happens against teams like Devils how frustrate the crap out of you with their trap.

Posted by: lightshow | November 4, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

hock1, they are dumb penalties; the timing of them especially.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | November 4, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

... but even then, there will be nights when even the best will be out of synch.

Posted by: gonchpup |

Very true. My problem is with BB constantly changing our young guys linemates, and when they don't work never accepting responsibility for his coaching mistakes. He also has a tendency to call out some players while protecting others.

Posted by: hock1 | November 4, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Plain and simple, the team stunk tonight. Green looked like he was doing everything he could to get the guys going, but everyone seemed very uninterested in participating in tonight's game. Varly looked pretty good; the third goal probably should have been stopped, but he had some good saves to make up for it. It seemed like he was anticipating the puck to be tipped by Parise, which it was not (not sure if they changed it on the score sheet yet).

Does anyone else notice that Semin almost seems to get mopey when he's not playing with Ovechkin? I have noticed it in the past when he has been moved to the second line; he just seems like he doesn't want to play if it can't be with OV. Flash might be a good option to play the point with Green on the PP if OV can't play against Florida.

Perreault looked awesome and was certainly the best forward on the Caps tonight. It may not be a bad thing that the team lost tonight; they have been playing sloppy and still getting points, so maybe this wakes them up a bit. The year is still early and I continue to contend that sometimes the criticism on this site goes overboard, but the boys certainly need to wake up before this compounds into a losing streak.

Posted by: Aldred15 | November 4, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm not among those calling for the Caps to get rid of Semin. But I don't see how anyone could watch tonight's game and say that Semin was not a significant factor in the loss.

Posted by: zmega | November 4, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

I say package Semin and Nylander for a defenseman. Someone should be willing to take Nylander's contract if we include Semin.

Posted by: larryn703 | November 4, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

it really doesn't matter to me if they were dumb penalties or smart penalties... I really don't care, the game was still tied at 1

just go and kill the darn penalties... yeah they were careless penalties but no excuse for giving up back to back PP goals

Posted by: joek443 | November 4, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

@JCB9

We don't have the Cap space to make anyone a healthy scratch that's not named Nylander.

Or will that be the way to send a player a message? Play Nylander instead of them. E.g. Nylander at 1st or 2nd Right wing. We all know he's a disaster as a winger.

Ultimate punishment -- Nylander playing in their place.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 4, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

hock1, they are dumb penalties; the timing of them especially.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan

The timing was bad, but we will disagree that they were all dumb penalties, above I posted my thoughts on those three penalties. The first one being dumb (for lack of better word)

Posted by: hock1 | November 4, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

hock1,

I agree with you. I have played this game at the very high level won't name leagues. But its pretty funny listening to some of our fans here. Its almost like lets have a team full of Steckel's and Laich's and Pronger's.

Green has one bad play against world class player like NASH we need to trade him now. I love the passion but hockey is a marathon especially at the it its highest level, some days you just don't have it. No matter how hard you try its just not there. Been there done that. Am I saying Semin had a great game no. But let's realize this, over the course of the year the guy will win you more games then lose them for you. If you collect 4 to 5 guys like that then you have a really good team.

Posted by: lightshow | November 4, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Lightshow.

My apologies to those I offended.

Going to be now.

Posted by: hock1 | November 4, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

@larryn703

There isn't any team in the league who'd be willing to take approximately $9 million in Cap space to take Nylander and Semin off our hands. (They might be willing to take on Semin but not both of them.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 4, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

@larryn703

There isn't any team in the league who'd be willing to take approximately $9 million in Cap space to take Nylander and Semin off our hands. (They might be willing to take on Semin but not both of them.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 4, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

going to bed is what I meant.

Posted by: hock1 | November 4, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

hock1, Yeah I agree with you somewhat on those three penalties. What I mean by saying "dumb" has more to do with the timing of the penalties. Also, I am not just thinking of this game.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | November 4, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

This game was the ultimate nightmare for anyone who's favorite player is Alexander Valerivich Semin.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 4, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Some points I want to make:

1) I've been on the fense for a while about Semin, and whenever I post 'I'm done with him' after a poor performance, people here remind me of his strong playoff performances (against Flyers, and at times last year), and how many points he contributes.

However, taking into account all the good and all the bad, I've made up my mind-

I'm TOTALLY done with him this time.

Here is why-

Its a personality issue. He is independent minded the MAJORITY of the time, and that is his core believe, self preservation. I know everyone here has met people like that. He has world class skill that will pay him lots of money no matter which league he plays in, and he knows that. In his mind, I'm 100% sure he's thinking "well, if they don't like me, I'll just go back to Russia and get even more money, and still get to play the game I love, in an even easier league where I can be even better". He's been here 5 years and still can't manage the language? HE DOESN'T CARE!!

Unless there is a miraculous turn around, I say we trade him at the end of the year for a premier, great skating defensemen.

2) Someone posted earlier, that witout OV, its an excellent
opportunity to guage everyone.I agree. This is the time to see what we're made of. Pens don't loose much of a beat when either Crosby or Malkin are out. Lets see how we fare.

3) I loved what I saw out of Mathew Perrault. Where the hell have we been hiding this guy? We need more people like him, spark plug guys with blazing speed and good hands, and just very energetic. Who care's if they're undersized. We need to stop thinking 'bigger is better' on the ice. Its not (see Detroit, and even the Pens) Only OV can move like a little guy as a big man.

Posted by: floms | November 4, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

@lightshow - Fair enough, bad game but on balance good player. But wouldn't you agree that, if Ovi is out for an extended period, Semin needs to step up his game?

Posted by: zmega | November 4, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

lightshow - There are hockey fans and then there are "Caps" fans. I am glad the seats are filled, and I love the enthusiasm, but their criticism needs to be taken with a grain of salt. I think part of it is that some fans not only have their favorites, but their goats. Last year, many were all over Schultz. He seems to be playing smarter and better this year, so the attention has shifted to others. Semin, as you said, will most likely finish atop the league once again and with a healthy plus/minus. No worries.

Posted by: gonchpup | November 4, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

While Semin had the "game from hell" tonight, he is not our only offender for taking bad penalties this year. We have many guys like that. Knuble (although I like him), Green.

As usual, he gets the most criticism.

I'm figuring that if no contract extension (or new contract) happens, the Caps will offer a 1 year qualifying offer. Semin thinks it's too low so he files for arbitration. So Semin "wins". But Caps walk away like the Rangers did with Zherdev.

(Most likely destination for Semin: Cherepovets Severstal where his "best" friend as a teenager has played for several years.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 4, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

This game was the ultimate nightmare for anyone who's favorite player is Alexander Valerivich Semin.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 4, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

I don't think taking a couple bad penalties is the worst thing in hockey... it's not like he did something like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snGQQw7bfqA

Posted by: joek443 | November 4, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: puckheaded1 | November 4, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

@gonchpup

I see what you mean. Yes, the fans have their new "goat". And, of course, I like the guy who's our goat. In many ways, I see my first born child in him. (They complained about her lack of focus and underachievement.) I see myself in him as well.

(Now you can all say, I never grew up and can't raise kids worth beans.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 4, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

floms - Perrault (not taking anything away from him) played with heart the way any Hershey call-up usually brings. They BETTER when they are given the chance. Some of these guys are the top point producers in the NHL, but being able to make the cut for the long-haul is what's difficult for these young, hungry kids. Look how long it took Laing to make it for a long time stint, and most would probably agree it's because of his work ethic over his talent. Gotta love these guys.

Posted by: gonchpup | November 4, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

CapsFan75,

Good point. Semin is practically impossible to trade. Every team in the league is aware of his contract situation. This smells a lot like Zherdev situation. He will easily get 6-8 Mill tax Free in KHL. He wants to stay here and play with his good friend Ovi. But if the money is not right he bolts to KHL. No one will give Caps nothing but a bag of pretzels for him. I also think that contract situation is having an effect on him. Like I said he really wants to stay here but is realizing that he can make a lot more at age of 26 in KHL.

Posted by: lightshow | November 4, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

@joek443 - funny you should mention the Smith play. I also played hockey (at the lowest imaginable level of competition) and made a similar play as a d-man. Not a good feeling.

Posted by: zmega | November 4, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

@floms

Why does everyone try to psychoanalyze Semin? I've read where other posters have said that he pouts when he doesn't get to play with Ovi? He has played most of his time here without Ovi and he barely speaks. Do you know him personally? If not, where are you getting this?

Posted by: ablake70 | November 4, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

@joek443

That clip sounds like something one of the Caps defensemen would do.

@puckheaded1

And, of course, that one had to happen to the Caps in a game vs the Penguins.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 4, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

I assume we'll still have Nylander next year.

But since a certain person (with initials AVS) is likely to be gone next year, we can afford to bring up Alzner and Carlson.

I also assume that Theo and Pothier will be gone so their money can be used to pay for Nicky.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 4, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Also interesting that Teddy already publicly said that Backstrom will be a Caps Player for a long long time but no such public support for Semin. I think the writing is on the wall. My personal opinion. In the future any teams that drafts Russian Players who blossom into 30-40 goal scorers will have have to deal with these type of scenarios. Only the cream of the Crop, Malkin's Ovi's, Kovalchuk' and such will be able to get Max cap allowance and make it worthwhile to stay in NHL. The second wave of guys like Semin and such will be able to make equal money to Ovi in KHL. Sashka has all of his family back in Russia and the level of play in KHL is much better then it has been so in his eyes its pretty clear where he will continue his career.

Posted by: lightshow | November 4, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Semin reminds a lot of Maxim Afinogenov and Miroslav Satan when they were on the Sabres. Both guys with so much skill who were one of the best in the league when they were into the game. However, both guys who seemed to be disinterested on many occassions, would make lazy plays and seemed to not give a full effort on many plays.

Both would play a few bad games that would piss off the fans but would then play a game where they would look magnificent and everybody would want to keep them. This happened over and over and is why they hung on to them so long.

Semin is clearly a very talented player and the Caps are a better team with him. However, with the influence of the salary cap Semin and his inconsistent play are probably not worth $5+ million/year.

My biggest fear is that if he looks this uninterested during a contract year, how will he play after he signs a large, long term guaranteed contract.

Posted by: sgm3 | November 4, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Boudreau needs to put a dumb penalty jar in the middle of the lockerroom and anytime a player takes a dumb penaltie - he should be fined an undisclosed amount if Boudreau so chooses or he must contribute some money to the jar. You're being paid to play hockey and if you're going to be stupid about it then you must give up some pay. Haha. Hey I'm trying to have a little fun here. Brighten things up even though I know it's not pretty right now.

Posted by: Jonathan6 | November 4, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

well Steve Smith did stop what would have been a 5 straight Cups for the Oilers right in the middle of their run but the play didn't kill his career.. he went on to have quite a good career with the Oilers helping them win 3 more Cups after that play.

Posted by: joek443 | November 4, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

What is wrong with some of you? So eager to trade Semin. Aside from that #8 guy, he's the most dynamic player we've got! Ovie's a beast to watch, but some of Semin's moves and stick-handling are right up there as "sick". Look at the big picture.

Posted by: gonchpup | November 4, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

@leftCoastCapsFan,

I haven't seen you post tonight. Shall we cry together about tonight's game?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 4, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Capsfan75,

Nylander loses his movement clause next year. So 4.95 mill will come of the cap. Plus i think his salary drops anyway to 2.5 or something like that. But if push comes to shove they can stick him in the Minors and not take the cap hit.

If caps let Semin Walk. With Theo,Pothier,Nyls Salary they will have close to 17 Mill available in Cap space. And with everyone expecting the Cap to stay at the same level that's a lot to play with including resigning Backs and bringing Alzner and Carlson and still have about 10 mill to spend.

Posted by: lightshow | November 4, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Random thoughts -
1. Wouldn't you hate to be a Devils season ticket holder. They are not fun to watch, even though they can be effective.
2. The last time I checked, Hershey was averaging about 10,000 attendance, 15% more than the second highest team in the AHL. Do you think Phoenix draws that many?

Posted by: zmega | November 4, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

gonchup,

You don't have to tell me. His Skill is something special not many people in the world have his type of hands and release, pretty special to watch when he is on. I would love for Semin, Backstrom and Ovi to play here for the next 10 years. I am just saying realistically with KHL in the picture and the money that is available to him in Russia its almost a done deal we will not have him here next year. Caps will not pay him 6.5-8 Mil. And he can get that Tax free in KHL. Its going to come down to simple economics.

Posted by: lightshow | November 4, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

@gonchpup

Yes, I enjoy watching Semin also. But I'm resigned to the fact that tonight's game was probably the last straw for a lot of people. Until tonight, he was not our worst offender in the taking penalties department but certainly our most criticized player.

Wonder if he's pressing and not playing relaxed, between Ovi out and his contract situation.

I also have noticed something. It seems that more Russian guys get criticized for "taking shifts off", "being enigmatic", and in general being underachievers. It seems that Russians are not the only underachievers in the NHL. They just get credit for it. I've never heard comments about Finns, Canadians, Americans, Swedes, or any other nationality get as criticized for attitude as the Russians in the NHL. The Russians seem to be the equivalent of either the blacks or Hispanics in baseball.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 4, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

ablake70 -
Its not that I know him personally, but have listened to many interviews, and I can just tell a lot from his body language and facial expressions. Its not the same as with other foreign players, who feel fortunate to be here and want to make the best of it. Its seem he's disinterested at times, and is careless because he truely doesn't care. I feel that the fact he isn't speaking english yet is a good example of how he's just 'killing' time until he gets the big money in the KHL.

Another example, and also a concern of mine, from a future leadership stand-point, is that OVi rooms with Semin and is good friends with him. You would think OV's influence would have an affect. Why would OV tolerate this? He's his friend, but the team comes first.

Posted by: floms | November 4, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Miroslav Satan is Slovakian.

Posted by: sgm3 | November 4, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

To CapsFan75-

I don't know that on this board, they get critisized more, but Semin has been known to take bad penalties at the worst possible times.

And my feeling of trading him, takes into consideration consistency + his price tag. If he would accept 2-3 mil, lets keep him! but we all know he's gonna want bigger bucks. And for bigger bucks, you have to have consistency.

The issues with him not coming over on time was the early warning sign of a personality flaw for a guy who's going to want huge bucks.

Posted by: floms | November 4, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

@zmega

Yes, the Devils are dull. But I'm beginning to think that the Caps should learn how to play that style.

My recommendation. The Caps should play their "normal" style for 1st and 2nd period. But if they ever find themselves with a lead going into or during the 3rd period, then they should adopt the "trap" style defense to hold onto leads.

Something drastic is needed.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 4, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Semin is NOT gonna be traded because he takes too many careless penalties... the Caps didn't lose because of those penalties, they lost because they couldn't kill them off

A great defensive unit in football doesn't complain if the offense turns the ball over and gives the other team a short field.. they just go out and try to stop them

if you watch Bill Belichick and listen to him on the sideline, his favorite saying is DO YOUR JOB!!!... the Caps penalty killers just had to do their job

I don't like coaches blaming his players publically.. he can yell at them all he wants in private but you either win as a team or lose as a team... that's what he should always be saying in public

Posted by: joek443 | November 4, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Capsfan75,

Its a blue collar/ White Collar type of attitude is the main reason why Russians come up under criticism. The Russians that play in NHL are all extremely skillful and is the main reason why they got to the league is because of their skill. There are exceptions like Datsyuk, who was drafted in 7th round and is one of the best two way players and you will never hear anyone bash him. The rest of second tier guys from all the world get to the league on Hard Work and sacrifice and its much harder to criticize those guys knowing their background and how hard they worked to get here. What people don't realize is what these Kids in Russia go through in their early years. In many instances at ages 8-14 away from their families for up to 11 months of the year.

Posted by: lightshow | November 4, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

@floms

I don't mean to sound like the Semin lobby, but the criticism of him is crazy. To hear people talk, you'd think he's the worst player in the world. But let me address your points.

1) Semin doesn't give many interviews and the few I've seen, he seemed shy, always looking away from the camera. Some people don't like to talk to the media. But have you seen the shots of him when he screws up? I haven't seen a more pathetic look.

2) He doesn't speak English, so he doesn't want to be here. Well, we should ship Datsyuk back to Russia because he doesn't speak English either. And he's been here much longer.

3) How will Ovi deal when he become Captain? You could ask this question of almost anyone on the team because they all have friends (ex. Laich and Green)If Ovi can't call his friend out for mistakes, he doesn't deserve to be a leader.

Posted by: ablake70 | November 4, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Semin strikes me as more of a private person. One that really does not want to be bothered by media, hence his seeming uninterested.

As for money, Well if the KHL can stay afloat and pay big tax free salaries I could see more talent going that way. Especially since the new tax trend in the US seems like railing anybody who makes over 250k since most voters don't.

Posted by: trunkenmath | November 4, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

joek443, completely agree--we didn't kill the penalties. That's why we lost. Which coach is coaching the PK--is it Woods?

Posted by: dfe1 | November 4, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Semin is a 30+ goal scorer. Guys like that get paid 5-7 mil in this league. Pure simple. Hossa's contract is a good example of what Semin want's to get paid. Caps will not pay that and therefore he will walk to KHL and get his 8 mil tax free.

Posted by: lightshow | November 4, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

By the way SEMIN SPEAKS ENGLISH!

Posted by: lightshow | November 4, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Belichick also always yells "60 MINUTES, YOU UNDERSTAND ME?? 60 MINUTES!!!"

that's something BB should be yelling at his players too

Posted by: joek443 | November 4, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

@joek - Given the Devils' offensive deficiencies, they have a hard time scoring at even strength. They have a much better chance on the power play, as they showed tonight. The Devils also don't give up a lot of offensive chances because of their style of play and since they don't take penalties. You are playing with fire if you take cheap penalties against them. So I don't agree that its OK to take dumb penalties, since the PK should be perfect.

Posted by: zmega | November 4, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

I also think a reason people are discussing the possibility of trading Semin is if the Caps think they will not be able to sign Semin it would be wise for them to explore trading him to see what they could get in return.

Clearly the return would have to be of high quality to make that move. However, if they were offered high quality for Semin it would be foolish not to seriously consider it if the Caps do not believe they can re-sign him.

Posted by: sgm3 | November 4, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

@joek

Belichick, now that's a coach. Somehow he has managed to take a team with few stars and turn them into champions. And, he keeps his mouth shut!

Posted by: ablake70 | November 4, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

sgm3,

Problem with that theory. NHL teams are fully aware of his contract situation and the threat of KHL and no one will offer anything significant to the caps unless it was to make a run at the cup. And Pay rent for Semin. Sort of what Penguins did to Thrashers for Hossa.

Posted by: lightshow | November 4, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

@ablake70 & @trunkenmath

Semin impresses me as an introvert also. Introverts are not comfortable with the media and even less so, with a foreign media.

The criticism of him was already crazy, even before tonight. The timing of a bad game for him could not have been worse. Tonight was apparently the last straw for many fans.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 4, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

no, I never said that it's okay to take dumb penalties but whether it's a dumb one or a smart one is irrelevent to me.

the Devils aren't the Pens.. they've never been known for their offensive prowess even during their Cup winning years.

the game was tied at 1, they had to kill them off and they couldn't, simple as that... it's not like they had to kill off a 5 on 3

Posted by: joek443 | November 4, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

@ ablake70

everyone has their own style and there's more than one way to be successful in coaching but to me the way Belichick does his job is the best way.

yes, he's boring and never has anything interesting to say in public but he somehow convinces his players to buy into his system of just doing their job and holding everyone on the team accountable.

Posted by: joek443 | November 5, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

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