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Tonight's lineup: Caps at Senators

Semyon Varlamov will start in net tonight for the Caps, who will be looking to snap a two-game losing streak. Brian Elliott, meantime, is expected to get the nod the surging Sens at Scotiabank Place.

The Caps, once again, will be without seven players from the opening night roster. Because of that, the lineup is expected to look like this:

Forwards
Ovechkin-Backstrom-Clark
Laich-Morrison-Fehr
Fleischmann-Perreault-Bradley
Steckel-Beagle-A. Gordon

Defense
Schultz-Green
Sloan-Carlson
Erskine-Pothier

Goalies
Varlamov
Theodore

Check back later for some postgame notes and quotes.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  November 23, 2009; 6:12 PM ET
 
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Comments

Bradley is playing on 2 lines?

Posted by: Leeguru | November 23, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Bradley is playing on 2 lines?

Posted by: Leeguru | November 23, 2009 7:03 PM


I'm guessing Andrew Gordon is on the 3rd or 4th.

Posted by: cbs75 | November 23, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Let's put Brads with the 1st line too hehe

Posted by: Tondi | November 23, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I am pretty sure Andrew Gordon will be the RW on the 4th line.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | November 23, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Look! Tarik fixed it! I was worried about Bads, because he cannot play 2 lines! That would have just been silly!

Posted by: Leeguru | November 23, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Wow, we got ourselves a pregame show!

GO CAPS!!!!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | November 23, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

I like these lines. It spreads a good mix of grit and scoring ability all the way down. (At least the top 3 lines)

Posted by: wis193 | November 23, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Steckel has been snake-bit w/getting a goal. Tonight would be a great time for him to find the back of the net.

Posted by: cbs75 | November 23, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Oh man. Joanette-McCreary for the refs tonight???? In CANADA??!

Oh great. Come on, Caps...!

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

any live stream? ADTHE has the bars again

Posted by: fronesis1016 | November 23, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

MEATza. Check.

Soda. Check.

Caps game. Check.

Let's go, CAPS!

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Damn. Winchester. 1-0 Senators.

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Shultz SSSUUUUUCCCKKKKKKSSSSS
please send him AWAY

Posted by: Tondi | November 23, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

the post just bailed green out from a really really bad turnover

Posted by: _stevo | November 23, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

yeah clark, beautiful pass

Posted by: _stevo | November 23, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

CLARKIE!!! WOOHOO!!!

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

I get a kick out of Captain Clark.

Posted by: uncatim | November 23, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

@uncatim,

He certainly seems to have put his best foot forward so far tonight.

Posted by: grackle5 | November 23, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

From the rulebook: A DISTINCT KICKING MOTION is one which, with a pendulum motion, the player propels the puck with his skate into the net.

I didn't see a distinct kicking motion by that definition.

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

8.5 is all hustle

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | November 23, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

perrault drawing another call

Posted by: _stevo | November 23, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't implying it was a bad goal but it was close & I can't believe the call went for Clark.

Posted by: uncatim | November 23, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Pp time

Posted by: ludeman95 | November 23, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

@irockthered,

Agreed, not a kick.

Posted by: grackle5 | November 23, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

b mo

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | November 23, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

BMO! YEAAAAAAH!

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

boo-yah!

Posted by: grackle5 | November 23, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

nice pass by green

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 23, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

flash keep that puck in the zone - made it all possible

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 23, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

I thought varly had a nice period.

Posted by: grackle5 | November 23, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

@grackle5

Yes, he did! He's got the best initials for a goalie -- SAV

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 23, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

On Caps 2nd goal.

This was another example of the case where the penalty was "technically" skated off but the punk had not been cleared out of the Defensive zone. (The Caps were the beneficiary this time.)

There have been so many times when the Caps have skated off a penalty (or have nearly skated off a penalty) but the other team scores since we could NOT clear the puck. (Prime example -- the infamous Columbus game.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 23, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

@IRockTheRed (from previous thread)

I've never seen Nicky grow a beard. Is he capable of growing facial hair? For that matter, I've never seen facial hair on Alex Semin either.

(Don't tell me, I could grow a better beard than either of them and I'm female! I couldn't do the playoff beard thing since it's not acceptable for females to grow beards in our culture.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 23, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

@CapsFan75 - I don't really think he is. He had a pair of little tufts of hair on his chinny-chin-chin last playoffs, but that was the best Nicky could do. :)

Sasha, I've never seen unshaven. I don't think he can grow one either.

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

During that interview I noticed how crooked Clark's nose is and it made me remember the time many years ago when someone took a slapshot from the blueline and it deflected off Randy Burridge's nose directly into the goal. He came back in the third and scored another goal for the Caps. But he used his stick for that one.

Anyone else remember that?

Posted by: grackle5 | November 23, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Since when does Clark have two gold teeth? I never noticed that before...!

...CAT, get off me!!!

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Green is a brilliant offensive defenseman.

However, he was awful defensively in the 1st period. Just awful.

First, he gets too casual and too cute once again and nearly hands Ottawa a 2-on-0.

Then, he casually backchecks while watching a wide open man skate to the front of the goal, assuming the pass wouldn't get there. Sure enough, the pass comes right to his stick and Varlamov has to come up huge to prevent a goal.

Green's ability to stay cool under pressure is a great attribute on the offensive end and it is a good skill to have defensively at times as well.

However, there are also times where you need to keep it simple and bust your butt on the defensive end. Green seems to often fail to recognize when to be calm and creative versus agressive and simple.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 23, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

CapsFan75: The mean in me loves scoring goals just after the PP - it counts against the opponents plus/minus.

Posted by: uncatim | November 23, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Shultz SSSUUUUUCCCKKKKKKSSSSS
please send him AWAY

Posted by: Tondi | November 23, 2009 7:55 PM

Tondi: You have hereby been drafted into the Doofus Brigade, rank of buck private, and assigned to S Company (Semin/Schultz).

Your drill sergeant is Sgt Schultz, who knows nothing, which is appropo, because the members of this company are also so inclined.

Start marching, bubba.

BTW, I don't see any Green bashing. Not after that great pass. Hard to support the bashing of the league's leading D scorer.

I am rocking the pink - vodka, grapefruit, cranberry, orange and lime, after having a glass of white wine w/dinner. So far so good.

Tess: How were those chops and mashed taters? Mrstominfl1 had a rare flat effort tonight. I'm sure many would say send to Hershey, but I just gave her an earfull.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 23, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Hello All!
Fisher is dating Carrie Underwood?
It's good to be da king.

Lets Go Cap - I - Tals !!!

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | November 23, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

locker just said that Carrie Underwood and Mike Fisher were a "going concern"!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | November 23, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

tominfl1:
did you let her know there is a young cook out there ready to take her spot in the lineup? :)

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 23, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Dinner was great, Tom. My compliments to the chef...oh yeah, that would be me. Finished off dinner with a brownie in honor of our chocolate-town boys.

Posted by: tess2201 | November 23, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Beagle!

Posted by: grackle5 | November 23, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Congrats Beagle!!

Posted by: cbs75 | November 23, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

BEAGS!!!!!!

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Careful - as a classically trained chef I can attest that it is not usually a good idea to upset the cook. Cooks are as temperamental as goalies.

Big Beagle!

Posted by: uncatim | November 23, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Beages!
Welcome to The Show!

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | November 23, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

WHO LET THE DOGS OUT???

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 23, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Keep the foot on the gas boys.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | November 23, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

The Caps really ought to consider having the rookie dinner soon (if they haven't yet) while all the young kids are up to pay for it....Carlson, Beags, Matty, Andrew...

Posted by: tess2201 | November 23, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, put 'em away before Locker reminds us about his theory that a 2 goal lead is the most dangerous lead in hockey...again.

Posted by: grackle5 | November 23, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

We could easily have 5 or 6 goals right now.

The Caps are getting killed in the faceoff circle, 27-13. Even Steckel is 2-for-5.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 23, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: uncatim | November 23, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1 - Is tmac2yao in the Doofus Brigade yet?

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

@uncatim - That's Greg Amadio, but what a fun shot!!!

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

@tess2201

Great you had a brownie in honor of the boys from Hershey.

I agree they should have the team dinner soon so there'll be more people to split the cost. If it happened today (which it didnt't), Varly, Perreault, Beagle and Carlson would be buying. (Sloan bought last year so he shouldn't this year.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 23, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Ooops - reading is fundamental.

Posted by: uncatim | November 23, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

@tmac2yao

But at least the Caps are ahead in the statistic that matters -- the scoreboard.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 23, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

@ tominfl1

First goal by our little dog from Hershey -- Beagle. Beagle who's now a weagle.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 23, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Capt Kirk: I have been riding mrstominfl1 all evening over that chicken.

Wait a minute...that didn't sound right, especially with two of the kids in the room.

I told her if she can't cut it she's going to become a "cap casualty" and that I would "put her on waivers."

Then she reminded me that anyone who I might bring in as a replacement would have a cap figure "way more than her" and that I could be a UFA anytime but she'd take "half my cap budget" due to some "reverse waivers."

I think she then mumbled something about "pictures and phone records" and said the arbitration judge would certainly "rule in her favor."

Like Varly's detractors, I quickly shut up.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 23, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

irock: You are hereby deputized and have the authority to send tmac to the platoon of your choosing.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 23, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

@tmac2yao: are we watching the same game? Are you the type of person who complains about the popcorn while at a fantastic movie? You seem to be finding the clouds inside the silver lining! I think Greenie is doing great, and while the Caps might not be winning all the face-offs, I am pretty happy about the score, right now. Also I'm very glad that Beagle got his first NHL goal. The team looks so much sharper tonight after getting some rest. And so many players are out with injuries, and still they look like a TEAM! Guess I'm just one of those glass-half-full people! Attitude. It's a choice.

Posted by: dccitizen1 | November 23, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Epitome of a greenlife game. 52 out of position inthe sens goal but silly silly pass on 9's goal...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 23, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

SH>>T. Deflection and in. Bah.

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Dang it, tmac2yao, I'm putting that second Ottawa goal squarely on your negativity!

Posted by: dccitizen1 | November 23, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Again, keep the foot on the gas!
Geez...

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | November 23, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

SH>>T! Ovechkin, what are you thinking?!

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Stupid penalty to take in the offensive zone.

Posted by: MReilly9 | November 23, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

CRAP, CRAP, CRAP!!! Come on, Caps!

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

$#!t, this sucks. BB better do some shouting or we are staring at 3 straight.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | November 23, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

where is the discipline?

Posted by: MReilly9 | November 23, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

And another stupid penalty. ERSKINE, dammit!

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I PUT THE CURSE OF ALEXANDER DAIGLE ON THE SENATORS!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | November 23, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

oy.

Posted by: grackle5 | November 23, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Failed clears led to both of the last 2 goals I believe.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 23, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

nice pk

Posted by: grackle5 | November 23, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

OK, that was a good PK. Come on, boys, sew it up in regulation.

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Ovie penalty= bad call/gee thecaps have no penalties tonight

erskine penalty = borderline

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 23, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Disappointed to see the Caps give up yet another lead in the third period. This team was good at closing out games in which they had a lead going into the third last year. This season it's been a different story, as they've consistently choked up leads. That's why they've wound up playing a bunch of OT games already. Caps have to close out games much better.

Posted by: CDon | November 23, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Great call Locker!

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | November 23, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

crap.

Posted by: grackle5 | November 23, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Another bad, bad penalty...

Posted by: MReilly9 | November 23, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again. Ugh!

Posted by: tess2201 | November 23, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Ya know, I was going to say they should take clark off the first line....now I want him off the TEAM!!!!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | November 23, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Easy wtf.
Clark did win the shootout for us a few back, recall?

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | November 23, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

the ole 40 minute game comes back to haunt us

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | November 23, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Big faceoff win at the end there for Steckel.

Failed clearing attemps and bad offensive zone penalties cost us the regulation win.

Green had another incredibly sloppy turnover in our own end this period.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 23, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't mind seeing an all rookie line up out there at some point in 4 on 4.

Posted by: grackle5 | November 23, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

This just is not a disciplined team. I don't know what else BB could do to get these guys to stay together for a full 60 minutes. At some point you have to look at the players, I think, and start deciding who's worth keeping and who isn't.

Posted by: CDon | November 23, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

varly!

Posted by: grackle5 | November 23, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

boy did we give that one away

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | November 23, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

And Green with another horrible turnover in OT. Varlamov saved him again.

Then Ovechkin just standing and watching the game-winning goal scorer in front of the net.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 23, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

what the hell is green doing?

Posted by: _stevo | November 23, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

GD. Puke.

Posted by: cbs75 | November 23, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

The Caps look very, very tired.

Posted by: butcherbaker | November 23, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Well, I think we all saw that coming. Ottawa owned us from the beginning of the 3rd.

Posted by: tess2201 | November 23, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Mike Green is an immensely talented, and lazy, hockey player.

I guess we live and die with him.

Posted by: saintex | November 23, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

I also don't understand why we would put Schultz out there in a 4-on-4 situation where speed is at a premium.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 23, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Green is a culprit every game. You can mark him down for one or two bad turnovers every single night these guys suit up. And my complaint about OV for years has been his reluctance to play anything resembling defense. He just occupies space and floats around the blue line. I know that's his game and that's the system the Caps play, but when it's four-on-four, in particular, he has to be more responsible defensively. More and more this season, I'm starting to wonder what kind of team this is.

Posted by: CDon | November 23, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Ovie really gave it his all NOT back checking. What a lazy team effort. Varley has deserved much better from the team. They keep losing it for him by not taking the body in front of the net. Get better Jurcina and Semin. We need some help.

Posted by: Caps4Life1 | November 23, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Ugh.

That was just plain UGLY.

Come on, Florida - take the Penguins out.

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Green isn't lazy, Boudreau is overworking him. He should not be playing 30+ minutes.

Posted by: butcherbaker | November 23, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

We SUCK. I'm so sick of that team.How many times we goal or two and stop playing after that? This team is going NOWHERE!We'll NEVER WIN THE CUP!

Posted by: Tondi | November 23, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

@saintex

You said it. Green is highly overrated. Costly errors tonight.

Posted by: beeman | November 23, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Easy wtf.
Clark did win the shootout for us a few back, recall?

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | November 23, 2009 9:57 PM

Sure I remember, I commented in anger, but that was a horrible penalty..ESPECIALLY FOR YOUR CAPTAIN!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | November 23, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

tmac, that's is a joke, right? You and I have chatted and you think Schultz is the issue? You can't play 4-on-4 with no defense. That OT is fully on Green's shoulders; the turnover that Schultz was back on and then Green patting some Senator on the ass as you passed by at mid-ice.

Give the Schultz thing a break. He has been our best defender all season.

Posted by: saintex | November 23, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Green sucks

Posted by: griz0615 | November 23, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

...and Florida takes a double minor with 3:22 left in overtime against the Penguins. 4-on-3 hockey for the rest of the game.

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Green turns the puck over to much. Cost em the game

Posted by: arcassells | November 23, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

You said it saintex.

Again, way too many penalties in the last ten minutes.

Three losses in four days. It's going to be a rough December.

Posted by: Unleash_The_Caps | November 23, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Green's overrated: he is what he is. I'm happy to have him on the team, the team is going to be fine, but he's lazy far too often. Live and die...and I'll live and die with you all.

Posted by: saintex | November 23, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

I feel for Varly. I've played a few games where the team let our goalie down. It can be a pivitol moment in a season, and hopefully this game puts us back into that killer mentality. If not, things could get ugly very soon.
BB better start doing some serious coaching right now and get us re-focused.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | November 23, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

DAMMIT! DAMMIT, DAMMIT, DAMMIT! Crosby in overtime. SH*T!

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually not anti-Schultz. I think he gets unfair criticism a lot of the time.

I wasn't blaming him for the goal. I was simply stating that I don't understand having him on the ice in 4-on-4 situations when speed is at a premium.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 23, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

@irockthered:
Have you checked out our fav KHL team lately? Metallurg has lost 5 of their last 6.

Posted by: tess2201 | November 23, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again. Another Bettman point. We are now 13-11, if you count the losees as losses. OT losses don't help us in the playoffs.

We may "technically" be in first place but the Atlantic Division leader is really the team to beat this year. NJ and the Pens definitely look better than us.

As I've been saying all year, we should take lessons from NJ on how to do the trap defense. We need to learn their system so we can hold onto leads. My recommendation. PLay the normal Caps system for the 1st two periods but if they EVER have a lead going into the third period or get a lead in the third period, they should play the trap. I am sick and tired of them blowing third period leads. This team is so frustrating.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 23, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

wtf,
ok.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | November 23, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Let's see who else loses it in overtime tonight... jeez. Florida was up 2-0 last time I looked!

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

I'd actually argue that Pothier has been the team's best defenseman this year, not Schultz. Regardless, at this moment in time, this is not a legitimate Cup contending team. They give up way too many leads in the third period and they have too many undisciplined players. Something has to change soon, and it's going to have to be the players who hold themselves accountable. Time for Clark to earn that C on his sweater. And time for another veteran to start laying into his teammates, particularly the skill players.

Posted by: CDon | November 23, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

I hope none of you guys are doctors.. I'd sorry for your patients

Posted by: joek443 | November 23, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Please trade Mike Green ASAP while he still has some value. An offensive minded dman has no value if he's not scoring. He is a disaster on the blue line. Either trade him or send him to Hershey- or ECHL. Please.

Posted by: jamesacarroll | November 23, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Blah! But I want to offer another view on the "lazy"--perhaps they, our key players, are getting too many minutes. I don't know to tonight's numbers but for example Green logged in 31 minutes two nights ago. No one is going to be fresh for the 3rd period after that. My point holds true for all the players who play a lot minutes.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | November 23, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

@tess2201 - Yeah, I know. Dropped from 1st place to - 2nd or 3rd in the league. They lost to *LOKOMOTIV!* WTF!

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

And, yes, we lose our lead, once again on a costly third period penalty.

If that had been Semin who had taken that penalty, everyone would be calling for his hide right now. ("Trade him!" "Let him walk!" etc.)

No, I won't call for dumping Ovi. He's my other favorite player besides Semin.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 23, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

& gaborik had 2 goals & 2 assists tonight.

Posted by: uncatim | November 23, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Tondi, see u later. Don't let the door hit you on the way out . Its not even thanksgiving. Wonder how many pens fans said the same thing lady year at this time.

Green did suck at the end of the game. I think he stays out for too long on shifts and he wad gassed by games end. He needs to recognize that and stop trying to
make the slick play when he's tired. Simple plays are what works.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 23, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

New trial slogan: "Unleash the stupidity"

When you take penalties like those in the 3rd, you deserve the fate they got.

yeah, they are tired and hurting, but Clark (the captain's) penalty was just ridiculous.

This team wins often in spite of themselves

Posted by: rnscaps | November 23, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Patients, try ~30 years worth....

Posted by: Unleash_The_Caps | November 23, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Blah! But I want to offer another view on the "lazy"--perhaps they, our key players, are getting too many minutes. I don't know to tonight's numbers but for example Green logged in 31 minutes two nights ago. No one is going to be fresh for the 3rd period after that. My point holds true for all the players who play a lot minutes.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | November 23, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

@CDon

Yes, they need to learn how to close games. New Jersey has the right idea -- play the trap. I know most Caps fans hate the trap but it's effective. The NJ organization knows what it takes to win as they have won consistently over the years.

Next time the Caps have an opportunity to hire a coach, they should hire from the NJ organization to learn how to do the trap.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 23, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Ottawa outshot us 18 to 3 in the third and 22 to 3 between the third and overtime.

Ouch.

I guess we ran out of energy.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 23, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

1. they only had to kill 3 penalties, that' NOT a lot.

2. I blame this loss sorely on BB, he's hardly playing Carlson and Sloan and wearing out Green... he needs to look at the big picture and start playing those guys more instead of wearing out the team already shorthanded with injuries.

Posted by: joek443 | November 23, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

@irockthered
Sergei missed a couple games with back spasms and Fedor is out with a bum knee.

Posted by: tess2201 | November 23, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

@rnscaps

Luckily, Clark's penalty didn't cost them. But we've had veteran players take costly late penalties too often.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 23, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

joe,
I agree totally. We got outcoached as well tonight.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | November 23, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Think it was Clark's mouthguard that made them look gold. I've seen him interviewed -- weren't gold.

Posted by: Steakum | November 23, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

@Capsyoungguns - Green logged 27:37 tonight. Too much, if you ask me; he looked like he was about ready to fall over... and the mistakes he made looked like it, too. *wince*

I'm not blaming this one on Green, though. Three penalties in the third frame. Ouch. The Clark one was legitimate; he did it, I saw it, OK, whatever. The Ovechkin one was not "roughing" - it could have been elbowing. Didn't see the one on Erskine. Ovi stays out of the box, and the Senators don't score on that power play.

The faceoff dot didn't help us, either. The Caps only won 40% as a team. Perreault (27%) and Backstrom (33%) both need practice at that particular skill.

BTW, a missed pass does not count as a "giveaway" on the stats sheet.

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

MY GOD! What happened? I had to stop watching for a while after the end of the 2nd period. We were up by 2 goals and I was 100% sure that we would win. How on earth did we lose the lead when we were outplaying the Sens? Very disappointing!!!!!! All I can say is that we deserve losing 3 in the row.

Posted by: caraveli | November 23, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

The truth about Green is he's logging too many minutes: 31' the other night and 27' tonight. I know he would prefer to be logging in the low to mid-20's. He had to be gassed out there.

Posted by: Terptwin | November 23, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Even when you don't get scored on when killing a penalty, it still fatigues the PKers.

You also have a much lesser chance of scoring when your killing a penalty. It's a lost opportunity in that sense.

I'd say both Ovechkin's and Clark's penalties were costly even if they only led directly to 1 goal.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 23, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

@Unleash_The_Caps

I've followed them since 1975. I'm running out of patience. I would like to see a Stanley Cup before I die. Or before I have grandchildren. Or before the 2013-2013 season (since that season is already a lost cause).

I do not want to see Alex Ovechkin be the best player who's NEVER been on a Stanley Cup winner. (Or will Ovi eventually demand a trade to a team he feels has a better shot at the SC? Okay, that is not imminent.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 23, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

The only thing this team does consistently is give up leads and take late game penalties. No cup for you (and I'm a season tik holder).

Posted by: jamesacarroll | November 23, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, it's those new mouth guards that are like the new clear braces. Brads wears one too. Players, like Brads used to just chew on them remember, but these just cover the four top and bottom so they keep them in their mouths. I'm no dentist but players I've talked to really like them and actually keep them in their mouths.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | November 23, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

CapsFan75, that was exactly my point. The leader leads by example, and that was just a complete unneccessary penalty.

Like a said, this team's talent compensates more often than not for these flaws. But come playoff time, it will be exposed again.

Posted by: rnscaps | November 23, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

POSTGAME THOUGHTS:
LMAO @rnscaps - great new theme because that's EXACTLY what this team is unleashing right now. This team forgets once again how to play a full 60 minutes.

Before I get into the thoughts there will be no injuries excuse AT ALL. Yes this team is banged up.

However, they came out with fire and played hard and took it to Ottawa for the first 40 minutes. Great work all around. Congrats to Beagle on his 1st NHL goal. Varlamov is a beast in net. What a save in OT just before Ottawa scores a pure luck goal thanks in part to a very selfish Mike Green.

Mike Green: I saw one poster earlier talking about Green's heavy minutes that he shouldn't be playing. I agree. You don't overwork him like that. However, Green is paid to play defense and I know how he likes to jump in OT but tonight he was selfish - he should've stayed back after his first cough up. It's getting ridiculous. When he takes that puck around his net with a guy draped over him - he almost lost it a couple times. He's gonna have that come back to burn him one of these days. This is getting to be inexcusable. Yes it was a beautiful pass to Morrison on the second goal but that gets lost when you cost your team a game in OT. If this team wasn't so banged up and if I would be coaching I'd make him a healthy scratch the next game. Just let him take a step away from the playing surface. I think at times Green looks lazy and maybe it is a combo of that and being tired for the immense amount of time he's playing out there.

Before all that - this team didn't smack back in the 3rd period. Inexcusable. And it didn't help that the refs decided to try and even things up. That penalty on Ovechkin was a joke. That was a crunch into the boards. There was no penalty at all. McCreary is jackass of a ref. Everytime he makes some bonehead call against the Caps. I'm sick of him and I hope one day he takes a puck that stings him good. He needs a wake up call.

Clark - a captain is to display leadership. That ridiculous tripping penalty is not the example you set.

Beagle and Varlamov's great effort tonight went to waste. Just disgusting. Once again another point pissed away. Way to go. No really - congrats guys. Green WAKE THE F*** UP.

Back home as the Sabres come a knockin.

Ice Breakers Goal Shakers

Posted by: Jonathan6 | November 23, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

@tmac2yao - I would agree that we ran out of gas. Two penalty kills on top of each other with very little break is hard on the penalty killing units.

This month has been BRUTAL, schedule-wise, too. And still, we only have the one loss that is by more than one goal, against NJD, without Ovechkin.

Three back-to-back weekends in a row, with all the injuries, hurt. Our next back-to-back is not until the 11th-12th of December, though. Then, we have another the 18th-19th.

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

The only thing this team does consistently is give up leads and take late game penalties. No cup for you (and I'm a season tik holder).

Posted by: jamesacarroll | November 23, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse


AGAIN they only had to kill 3 LOUSY penalties.. the problem is the PK unit, not the number of penalties

Posted by: joek443 | November 23, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

@joek443 - WRONG.

Sortof.

The PK unit got gronched in part because the second of those three penalties came right on top of the first, within less than a minute from killing the first off.

Penalty kill = momentum lost = chance to score goes down.

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I think GMGM needs to stop messing around and put Knuble on the LTIR so that the Caps can call up the players they need, not just whatever warm body fits under the cap. So what if Knuble is able to return after 8 games instead of 10? If Carlson and Sloan can't eat up any minutes in third period, Alzner needs to be up here.

Posted by: cainoo7x | November 23, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Beagle 5:39

Carlson 11:33

the team had nothing left in OT... they should always have an advantage on 4 on 4 but because BB keeps shortening the bench, he's wearing out the top guys, especially Green who played over 27 minutes

Posted by: joek443 | November 23, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Our PK is definitely not a strong point.

We apply minimal pressure and struggle to win pucks.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 23, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Please trade Mike Green ASAP while he still has some value. An offensive minded dman has no value if he's not scoring. He is a disaster on the blue line. Either trade him or send him to Hershey- or ECHL. Please.

Posted by: jamesacarroll | November 23, 2009 10:10 PM

About a squad's worth off to the Doofus Brigade, led by Sergeant James A. Carroll.

For God's sake, these guys are trying their best, injury depleted, and they are what they are - a first place team.

Give it a rest and join the Doofus Brigade.

One time I was watching the Orioles and Cal Ripken, a rookie, hit into a double play. With the bases loaded. In the bottom of the 9th. O's lost. They should've traded the bum on the spot.

I will agree with the posts above that BB has overworked Green. A graphic on Rogers Sports Net said he's averaged 26 mins since coming back from injury.

The Clark penalty was dumb, but he did score. The Ovi penalty was a standard hockey check. Jeezoopeets, Ottawa isn't a bad bunch. Like someone said, the Doofus Brigade will soon be a division.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 23, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

I believe both of the 3rd period goals came after failed clearing attempts. It may have been Steckel trying to clear in both cases but I'm not sure of that.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 23, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

The PK unit got gronched in part because the second of those three penalties came right on top of the first, within less than a minute from killing the first off.

Penalty kill = momentum lost = chance to score goes down.

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse


Great teams in this league can put up a PK streak... 10 in a row, 19 outta 20.. when was the last time this team did that??????

the Caps are just about the best team in the NHL on the PP and in even strength.. their BIGGEST problem is the PK (lousy 78%)

Posted by: joek443 | November 23, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

@newbiecapsfan07, defenders of Green:

Hope you are on the board tonight, do you still want to debate me on Green, how he is constantly out of position or turning the puck over? It's a recurring problem this is just getting worse, his head is not in the game. Tonight really highlighted his horrible defensive zone play. I hope that you all start to see the light.

P.S. Newbie-- If you want "specific examples" of his unacceptable d-zone play refer to the entire game.

Posted by: crosbyisajoke | November 23, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Before the season I got ripped by many on this board for my criticism of the teams defense.

Well, 1/4th through the season and unfortunately it looks like I was right.

And for those that cited the coaching change of Jay Leach to Bob Woods as being a reason the defense would turn around. Want to defend that position anymore?

Like I said before the season, GMGM failed to address the defense and it was going to be the downfall of this team and any coaching change wasn't going to matter because the talent just wasn't there on this team. I expected some physical limitations, but what I wasn't counting on was the consistent game in and game out mental breakdowns by the defense.

Disgusting.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | November 23, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Hope you are on the board tonight, do you still want to debate me on Green, how he is constantly out of position or turning the puck over? It's a recurring problem this is just getting worse, his head is not in the game. Tonight really highlighted his horrible defensive zone play. I hope that you all start to see the light.

P.S. Newbie-- If you want "specific examples" of his unacceptable d-zone play refer to the entire game.

Posted by: crosbyisajoke | November 23, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse


if you think Green is the biggest problem on this team, you know NOTHING about hockey. the problem is LACK of good d-men on this team - 8 good d-men my butt. Especially now with injuries, Green is playing TOO MANY MINUTES.

Like I said earlier BB needs to see the big picture, stop wearing him out and start playing Carlson and Sloan more

Posted by: joek443 | November 23, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1

Green seems to be the guy everyone's savaging tonight (for turnovers).

The Caps are "technically" tied for first in the Conference (with the tie breaker going to the Pens). Although, in reality, they are 13-11, barely over .500, but near the top, thanks to all the Bettman points. (Which, of course, do us no good in the playoffs.)

On Ovi's penalty which led to the game tying goal, if Semin had taken that penalty instead, he would be the guy being savaged, not Green. Or if Semin had taken Clark's near end of the game penalty (which was not costly), he would be getting savaged anyhow.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 23, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

For God's sake, these guys are trying their best, injury depleted, and they are what they are - a first place team.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 23, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

While I agree that the trade Green rants are ridiculous. But you are right, this team is what it is. It may be in first place, but with the type of team defense they play they won't be a Stanley Cup team and that is what the organization promised this season.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | November 23, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Green made one horrible turover and several very nice plays. Ottawa got three deflections for goals. Green was overworked, pure and simple. If BB has a weakness, it's to ride his horses into the ground while a stable of ponies stays in the corral.

Some people are expecting 82-0-0. Memo to you people: You are going to be disappointed with everything you do in your life.

Good night. Too much crap here just isn't worth the electrons it's printed on.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 23, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Caps fans, Cubs fans I feel your pain tonight. I've been watching the Caps since their inaugural 8-67-5 season. That year, I remember wandering around the Capital Centre and seeing some guy with a white sweater that read on the back, "Washington Capitals, 1980 Stanley Cup Champions." I thought to myself, I can't wait until 1980...maybe we will win it then! Flash forward, I'm now married with kids. The Caps have only been to the Finals once. How much longer can I wait? As long as it takes. Go Caps!

Posted by: Terptwin | November 23, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

@cainoo7x

I've been wondering that myself. Knuble has already missed 5 games, counting tonight's. The Wednesday game in Buffalo is #6. He should be evaluated to see if he really have a good chance of being back in less that 4 games. If not, they should put in on LTIR and bring up Alzner.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 23, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

if you think Green is the biggest problem on this team, you know NOTHING about hockey. the problem is LACK of good d-men on this team - 8 good d-men my butt. Especially now with injuries, Green is playing TOO MANY MINUTES.

Posted by: joek443 | November 23, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

+1

Welcome to the darkside...or does regular season performance permit this type of criticism of the team?

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | November 23, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Freakin, surely you noticed that half the defense tonight and the past few games were in the ahl last month. I'm pretty sure several of the don't shave regularly. I mean it's no excuse for losing but to chime in about the d after this game seems like piling on. Go check the calendar and stop by after the Olympic break.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 23, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

@Terptwin

I know what you mean. I followed since 1975 when I was a recent college grad. Now I've sent my last child off to college. I thought this group of guys would have a chance.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 23, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

@ freakinandpeakin

sorry I forgot, the defense was so stellar in the playoffs last year

Posted by: joek443 | November 23, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and to clarify something. I blame Green and Pothier and the other defensemen for their mental errors. I blame GMGM and the organization for their lack of skill, because guys like Schultz can only be as good as his talent takes him. It is the organization that has failed this team in putting enough defensive talent on this team.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | November 23, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

If BB has a weakness, it's to ride his horses into the ground while a stable of ponies stays in the corral.

Very good quote, Tom!

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

freakinandpeakin: One last note, you are a civil person so I don't mind.

I posted over and over and over and over all throughout Aug and Sept that Caps were not Cup favorite.

Let me repeat: Caps are not Cup favorite!

Caps, I said, are top 4 in East and top 8 in league with a 1 in 8 chance (12.5%) at Cup. Weakness I said was a crease-clearing and snarling defenseman in the mold of Mark Tinordi. Some of you might remember because I said this over and over and...well, you get the point. I also echoed what JSchon and others said - this weakness doesn't need to be ADDRESSED UNTIL THE TRADE DEADLINE.

One quarter on the way into the season, and it is as Dennis Green says what we thought it was.

So why do they come out like lions released into a room full of raw meat and start blistering the team.

Forgive them, Mister Leonsis, for they know not what they say.

This isn't the Redskins and it isn't the Ravens and it isn't the Wizards. The Caps have a DECENT SHOT.

Have a drink. Go to sleep. Wake up tomorrow. The world will still be here. Hopefully. And if the world comes to an end, over night, it isn't MIKE GREEN'S FAULT.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 23, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

BTW, if Green sucks so bad? How'd he get the third star of the game?

Three star selections
1st: MIKE FISHER
2nd: PETER REGIN
3rd: MIKE GREEN

Posted by: irockthered | November 23, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

@dcsportsfan1,

I thought GMGM stacked this team with 8 NHL caliber defensemen and then Carlson and Alzner were poised to come up. That was the teams mantra this past offseason, right? If you want to blame injuries, fine.

But these same errors have been occurring all season long when Sha-Mo, Poti and Jurcina were in the line-up.

@joek443, I presume that was sarcasm, because I agreed with you.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | November 23, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl,

I took so much abuse this past summer from the likes of fanohock, CapsFan75 and LeftCoastCapsFan for saying that the team defense was bad and for criticizing ownership and management for their failure to address such issues.

I thought it was unfair criticism. I didn't buy into the notion that this team had 8 quality NHL defensemen, that they would improve year over year and that Bob Woods was going to make a difference on this defense.

I was right.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | November 23, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

2. I blame this loss solely on BB, he's hardly playing Carlson and Sloan and wearing out Green... he needs to look at the big picture and start playing those guys more instead of wearing out the team already shorthanded with injuries.

Posted by: joek443 | November 23, 2009 10:14 PM

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AGREE 100%. His players look tired. Ovi's only at 50% (which is still pretty good...) and the bench has been way too short these past few games. I would absolutely rather have Carlson, Beagle, A. Gordon, etc. out there for ~15 mins than have Green skating 30+.

Why do the Caps keep giving up late leads and losing in overtime? BECAUSE THEY'RE EXHAUSTED.

Posted by: butcherbaker | November 23, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

CapsFan75:
i don't think they need alzner. what will help right now would be poti, shamo and juice. these guys are not saviors - but it would put together d pairings that seems to play well with each other.
they look like a team still playing preseason games. they'll get back on the right track when they get some of the regulars on the ice again.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 23, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

freakin: Your note is misleading. You say that you said that team defense "was bad." Well, it's not bad - it's average. There's a difference.

Many of us said the Caps have only 1 first-pair defenseman - Mike Green, third star tonight despite all the bull he gets right here from supposedly his own fans. I guess the only reason he got 3rd star was because those backwater folks in Ottawa don't know much about hockey.

Excuse me, but they're too busy laughing at caps fans who throws hats for "shootout hat tricks."

It wasn't the defense tonight. They were worn out and some guys played too many minutes. It sure would have helped if either Poti or ShaMo, both 6 on a scale of ten, had suited up.

You are right - the organization is loaded with third and fourth pair defensemen. We really and truly need that Mark Tinordi guy but he isn't here now and he isn't coing until they resolve the Nylander situation. That and taxes are two things you can bank on.

Anyone criticizing Mike Green - please cut and paste your yearly performance review so we can see how great YOU are.

"Falls asleep in staff meetings." "Would be great if he could only overcome himself." "Has reached the bottom of the pit and is still digging." "In leaving for the big city, has deprived his village of their idiot."

I know. You are all perfect. You have millions. Bill Gates sends YOU Christmas cards. And your stuff don't stink.

It must be nice to be perfect.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 23, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't think you can just blame Green on that goal--does Ovi even know how to tie up someone's stick and did he think 'cause he was somewhat close to Fisher that that was enough?

And I have to admit that I was one of the posters who was hoping Woods would make a difference with this team--I guess I'm wrong.

I just feel that we must be the least conditioned team in the league since we seem to have no energy in the 3rd. And I know we've played a bunch of games, and I agree that Bruce played some players way too much so part of it is on him--but it still seems like it can't be that hard to ask the players to just tough it up for another 20 minutes.

Posted by: dfe1 | November 23, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1

With all the criticism of Green tonight, he still was third star.

I didn't think I was one of the people who gave FreakingAndPeaking grief about his comments on our defense. (And he lumped in LeftCoastCapsFan and fanohock in with me.) Okay, I've been on the same side as them on many things.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 23, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

@Capt_Kirk_in_AZ

Yes, getting ShaMo, Juice, and Poti would be helpful.

On Alzner, while Carlson is a good young D-man, I would have more likely wanted to bring him up since he has some NHL experience. Since we still have Nylander's contract, we are hamstrung to some degree even on bringing guys from Hershey.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 23, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

@dfe1

It's time for the Caps to do more conditioning type practices. Tomorrow would not be a good time, for obvious reasons. Too tired from tonight.

But they should do those types of practices whenever there's any break of more than one day between games.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 23, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to sleep. It's way past my bed time.

Wednesday. Buffalo. Home. Rock the red. Steak and cab.

30 minutes until my birthday. I'd be very happy if I got nothing save an end to world stupidity.

Doubtless I must settle for less than "very happy."

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 23, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

@irockthered

The Pens are showing why they are an elite team. They can come back from 2-0 deficits and win in overtime.

They are now "tied" with us for the Conference lead but would be ahead of us for the tie breaker.

We are now a 13-11 team, if you count all OT losses as losses.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 23, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1

Happy birthday, Tom. I hope the Caps can finally break their losing streak on Wednesday.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 23, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

tominfl1:
my 'day before' birthday present from the caps was the 5-2 loss to nj. i feel your pain.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 23, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

CapsFan75, yes, the Pens can come back, but the Pens also lost to the Sens by a score of like 6 to 2 or something like that.

Not that that's an excuse for our boys. I just don't get how they can't say to themselves "we've got a 2 goal lead, we need to play smart for 20 more minutes and then we've got the win." I'd like to think that they're feeling pretty sick right now with how things turned out, and you'd think they could tell themselves that they don't want to feel that way ever again, and yet they do it again and again and again.

Posted by: dfe1 | November 23, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

This is Green's tweet after the game:

"Brutal game. Def not happy with my performance. Don’t hate. See you on Wed caps fans. Your the best!"

Posted by: dfe1 | November 24, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Have others noticed how most of the Caps play absolutely no defense in OT (in the regular season). It seems like everyone skates hard when we have the puck but when we don't all the defense that is attempted is a lackadasical wave of the stick.

It is great to win with an OT goal, but don't they understand that if it goes 5 minutes with no one scoring they still can get a point in the shootout (that is said with sarcasm).

To lose 4 games in OT, not counting the shootout losses, is horrible and most of those are within the first 2 minutes.

There is no defensive responsibility on the team in OT and it starts with their leaders. Green, Ovie, and Semin (when he plays) are the biggest culprits and it seems as though the others follow their lead.

Posted by: sgm3 | November 24, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

as green shouldnt be happy with his performance.his defensive play sucks.almost as bad as shultz.i dont know whats wrong with the caps being able to keep a lead but its getting really upsetting.wheres the heart in this team.it seems to have died.they'll never servive without a heart and that what they dont have.maybe they need to go to oz and ask for one.ala tinman.come on caps come back to me.GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: gratefuldid | November 24, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

I really think that the only way you're goign to get people to be more committed defensively is if Ovi starts doing it. If the team saw Ovi being TOTALLY committed to defense (and I don't mean just being in the defensive zone, I mean typing up your man all the time), then I'd bet that Mike would realize, hey, maybe I should start playing that way, too.

Posted by: dfe1 | November 24, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Green gets the third star tonight?? Way too early for an April fools joke, right?
I need to find some way of displacing my anger after watching effort issues for three games now and in a lot of other games as well. Top end talent will mask a lot of mistakes and effort issues but I for one am fed up with watching this team getting outworked. Ted is paying them well and supplying everything the team needs. The fans are doing there part and rocking the red at every home game. Lets see some real effort fo 60 minutes from the players. No excuses.

Posted by: Riddler1 | November 24, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

That's their problem, they think they have enough talent to get by with playing only 50% when they have a lead, or when they're playing a team under 500.

Posted by: dfe1 | November 24, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

@dfe1

Yes, I hope the Caps are feeling sick about their performance tonight. I certainly am feeling sick about it. I've never seen a team blow as many third period leads.

I know they can't win all the time, but, give me a break. If they had even won HALF the game where they had blown the lead only to lose. In EVERY loss this year, they had held the lead at one time. I am NOT exaggerating. Just look it up. That is true for ALL 11 LOSSES! Or mabe 10 out of 11.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 24, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

@dfe1

What are you ready to do to turn this team around?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 24, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Some posters are suggesting that the Caps should try to get Bobby Ryan from the Ducks.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 24, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse

They have effort issues not talent issues. The highest scring team in the league does not need to trade for more offensive minded forwards like Ryan. What a joke of a suggestion. If your going to get a missing elemen, you need another heart and soul type player in the mold of a Dale Hunter or Rod Brind'amour in ther primes. Players that carry a team into battle emotionally by there actions on the ice and results.

Posted by: Riddler1 | November 24, 2009 12:42 AM | Report abuse

It could also be a player like a Rod Langway or Scott Stevens. We don't have it being provided right now for wahtever reason. Your leaders usually have to be one of your best players and Clark unfortunately is far from that

Posted by: Riddler1 | November 24, 2009 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Observations on tonight's action:

1) Yes, it sucks that we have lost three straight, but we still got a point.

2) Congrats to Beagly-Beagly on his first NHL goal.

4) Carlson continues to be as solid as we could have hoped for; he WILL start scoring goals it's only a matter of time.

5) I totally agree with the posters who are saying that the TOI-load on the top players who remain uninjured is too much, and may lead to them being injured as well. BB needs to send a message to the call-ups: that they will need to shoulder more of this burden.

6) At this juncture, given the compressed schedule and the number of key players out with injury, it makes sense to try and get Nylander into the lineup and out on the ice ASAP. Possible outcomes (from worst to best) if we do?

a) He does not clear re-entry waivers and gets picked up by another team...but we still shed enough of the existing cap hit to bring up Hershey players based who fits the team's needs instead of who has the lowest cap hit (Alzner should NOT be languishing in Hershey when we need him this badly).
b) he clears re-entry waivers, and plays not-so-good...which is for him is still NHL-good, and contributes. Moreover, our chances of later trading him to another NHL team at deadline (or a KHL team sooner) will improve.
c) he clears re-entry waivers, and plays well, in which case our chances of later trading/moving him to another NHL team at deadline (or a KHL team sooner) will improve even more.

7) I will NEVER ever say that OV is a bum or needs to be traded...However, it may be that he is not 100% healed. He's a beast, but overloading his already considerable minutes (see #5 above) can't be helping to speed his full recovery.

8) Varly was better than his GA tonight would indicate.

9) The boys were NOT lazy...they did work very hard, but the Sens did seem to want it a little more. However that desire often manifested itself in chippy play on the Sens' part, which brings me to my final point:

10) Officiating SUCKED and may well have been the one thing that contributed most to the loss; IMHO many of the calls that went against us were classic McBleary/Koharski (sp?) Caps-Hating 8u11$#1+!: Yes, Clark was guilty on the trip (sad to say), but the call against OV for roughing was completely bogus: The Sens were laying questionable hits on our guys all night long and getting away with it every time. They almost got away with the too-many-men; it was almost half a minute before McBleary & Co. deigned to notice that fact.

I say again: given the number of available referees in the NHL on any given night and McCreary's proven history of irrational Caps-hate, he should never be allowed to officiate another game involving our Caps.

11) New nicknames for QL53: "Frankenstein" or "Jaws"

12) Don't panic folks--the season still has a long way to run. Granted, we'd all prefer that these guys were not hurt at all. But, if it must be this way, better now than in February or March.

GO CAPS!

Posted by: Rhino40 | November 24, 2009 12:52 AM | Report abuse

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