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Updates on Semin, Laing and Theodore

Alexander Semin arrived at KCI after his teammates practiced wearing a new brace on his right wrist (the type with Velcro straps on it).

An MRI revealed nothing serious, GM George McPhee said. But the Caps' second-most dangerous goal scorer might be forced to miss this weekend's games against Montreal and Toronto, McPhee conceded.

"It's not from a blow or anything," McPhee said. "He just tweaked it. He's day to day and will be ready to go when he's ready to go."

It's believed that Semin suffered the injury when he was hit by a Panthers player as he unleashed a shot on Nov. 6 in Florida.

As for Quintin Laing, he had surgery in New York last night after going down and taking a puck off the face in the third period. Doctors inserted two plates on the left side of his face and wired his jaw shut.

McPhee said he expects Laing to miss four to six weeks.

A day later, Laing's teammate were still gushing about his selflessness.

"It's like he plays the game with someone else's body," captain Chris Clark said. "It's amazing. Teams need guys like him. Teams that have guys like him on the team win championships because they put their bodies on the line. I went through something like that and I couldn't even look."

Mike Green added: "He'll do anything to help us win. If that shot gets through, it might go in and change the whole game. He goes down to block anything and it doesn't matter if it's his face or his foot or whatever. He's going to stop that puck. There's no many guys who will do that to his extent."

The status of goalie Jose Theodore is less certain. Although he returned to practice after leaving the team's New York road trip to tend to some family matters in Northern Virginia on Tuesday, it's possible he'll miss this weekend's games, too.

"He might need a few more days to get back on track," McPhee said.

Theodore's two-month old son died this summer from complications stemming from a premature birth.

"We knew it wouldn't be a one-day commitment," added McPhee, who declined to elaborate. Theodore did not speak to reporters.

With Theodore's status up in the air, the Capitals are expected to keep prospect Michal Neuvirth around through the weekend.

"We'll go with the kids," McPhee said, referring to the games against the Canadiens and Maple Leafs. "Neuvirth might get a game."

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  November 18, 2009; 2:28 PM ET
 
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Comments

How about an update on circles?

Posted by: PonMan | November 18, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Tarik obviously know what is going on with Nylander but refuses to tell us, the team, McPhee, and Nylander's family and agent.

But yes- keep asking what is going on with Nyls- that's sure to make TEB break down and tell us his big secret.

Posted by: Fro_ | November 18, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Great news about the two kids playing this week-end. I sympathize with poor Theo who must have had such a tough year, but sympathy has nothing to do with appreciating the opportunity to have the kids play.

Tarik & the other Post folks have got to tell us something about NYLS--even if it is venturing guesses. He has been a constant theme of discussion on the blog, so I am surprised that there is no scoop on the situation.

Posted by: caraveli | November 18, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Tarik & the other Post folks have got to tell us something about NYLS--even if it is venturing guesses. He has been a constant theme of discussion on the blog, so I am surprised that there is no scoop on the situation.


Posted by: caraveli | November 18, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

It'll be somewhat embarrassing if TEB and crew was scooped by the Devils beat writer. If that story was bogus, that would be worth reporting on, too.

Posted by: cainoo7x | November 18, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

All the best Theo!

Sounds like might get a look at Neuvirth this weekend, which is great. Theo played well against Montreal, but then again he plays well on Hockey Night in Canada, which also covers the Leafs this weekend.

Posted by: Sonyask | November 18, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm probably in the minority, but I don't see anything wrong with Avery. Yeah he takes cheap shots at goalies, but he's certainly not the only one (see Chris Kunitz). Hockey players are always trying to get away with stuff when the refs aren't looking, even guys on our own team. As for calling BB fat, I'm sure other players have said much worse. It is apart of the game.

Posted by: ablake70 | November 18, 2009 2:41 PM |

As I said in my post, I have no problem with Avery. Pests are pests.

But...generally pests don't wave their arms around like a retard to "screen" a goalie. Generally...a pest doesn't start throwing water bottles at his own fans. Generally...a pest does not dive as much as Avery does.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 18, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Clark's quote on Lianger is the hockey quote of the decade.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | November 18, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Is GMGM throwing up smoke screens again?

Posted by: lylewimbledon | November 18, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

who says Semin is the "2nd most dangerous goal scorer." can anyone say FLASH!?!?

Posted by: doughless | November 18, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

when is GMGM NOT throwing up smoke screens?

Posted by: doughless | November 18, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, a truly great quote from Clark about a truly courageous hockey player.

Posted by: tmac2yao | November 18, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

When are doughless and lyle NOT posting a negative comment about GMGM? :)

Posted by: richmondphil | November 18, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

It'd be awesome to see Neuvirth play a game or two. I've yet to see him play and have only heard great things. Funny about the "kids" quote.

Posted by: Bike2work | November 18, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

i said nothing negative. the guy never says anything directly. i just confirmed that is the case.

Posted by: doughless | November 18, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

What, no glowing quotes from teammates about Semin playing through his wrist injury?! Apparently they haven't heard that he's every bit as tough as Laing! He is...Sasha Fierce!

Posted by: CapsChick | November 18, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I want to see Neuvirth, he is as good as Varly.

Posted by: CodePoetry | November 18, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I want to see Neuvirth, he is as good as Varly.

Posted by: CodePoetry | November 18, 2009 3:09 PM |

I don't know if you are a Bears STH or something, but based on what we've seen at the NHL level from both of them?

Neuvrith isn't anywhere near Varly yet.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 18, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

The problem with Avery is not only that he's a pest, but he's also a cheap-shot artist and a pussy to boot. If he backed up his idiotic actions with some spine, it would be one thing, but he's the biggest wuss out there. I do like him on the ice, however, as we can be sure that the PP will get at least one or two chances off his retarded antics.

Posted by: Puckdawg69 | November 18, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I like giving Neuvirth the start against the Maple Leafs. Nice cushy game, low pressure.

Posted by: butcherbaker | November 18, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

The problem with Avery isn't that he's a pest, or a cheap-shot artist, or a loudmouth - the game has seen plenty of all of the above - many of them in Capitals uniforms.

The problem with Avery is that he has no respect for the game, its players, coaches, history, or traditions. He's like an infantile seven year old who acts out any time he's not the center of attention.

He is totally lacking in class - by any definition of the word. Hockey is generally blessed by the lack of such self-centered nitwits which is probably why he attracts so much hatred. I pray for the day he gets lit up like Richards did to Booth.

Posted by: ShutDownStud | November 18, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I like giving Neuvirth the start against the Maple Leafs. Nice cushy game, low pressure.

Posted by: butcherbaker | November 18, 2009 3:30 PM


I had thought about that too. My only concern was that since Toronto has toughened up a bit this year- although they're not great, would they take some nasty runs at him?

Posted by: Fro_ | November 18, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

This Theo stuff is strange...

I wish him the best, and sure hope their isnt some issue with the team thats being covered up.

Strange he is at practice but wont play this weekend...very strange...

Posted by: SA-Town | November 18, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Tarik & the other Post folks have got to tell us something about NYLS--even if it is venturing guesses. He has been a constant theme of discussion on the blog, so I am surprised that there is no scoop on the situation.


Posted by: caraveli | November 18, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

tarik is a beat reporter and therefore doesnt do "guesses". i would love more info on nyls too, but i'm "guessing" that there is nothing new to report otherwise it would be reported on. doubtful that both corey at the times and TEB would not pick up on any real news. perhaps TEB should put a disclaimer just below his byline saying "nothing new to report on nylander at this time".

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 18, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

SA-Town: Sometimes people have personal problems that REALLY make it tough to concentrate at work.

We don't know what the problem is, so we can't tell.

But, it's one thing to go through the motions and practice and totally another to play in a game. So maybe his head is cloudy enough that "practice only" is the diagnosis.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 18, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Semin is a "tweak". The boy needs to toughen up and grow up. Laing on the other hand, they will probably have to deny him entry to the Verizon Center or he will ask to still play.

Posted by: dsphvywght | November 18, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Neuvrith isn't anywhere near Varly yet.


Posted by: richmondphil


Phil, they are apples and oranges style wise. Varly is crazy athletic and Neuvy is the better technical goalie. Varly makes some jaw dropping saves that are caused in part by him being out of position to begin with. I'm partial to Neuvy truth be told, he just seems the steadier one to me.

Posted by: Steve_R | November 18, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

a "tweaked" wrist for a player like semin is a little different than if erskin had the same injury. i'd like to see semin play through pain to, but ask yourself this, would you want semin out there without his full shot or stickhandling ability? i'd rather have a hershey call up. and GMGM say 4-6 for laing, anyone want to bet it will be more like 2-3 weeks. he'll be out there with a joe juneau mask if he has to...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 18, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I am going to the Caps' games against Toronto and Ottawa, and am pumped that I might get to see Neuvirth in one of the games.

I agree with some above posters; Theodore must be battling with sanity this year. What he went through is awful, and it is understandable if he needs to take time off at various times this year.

Does anyone know he deal with Perreault? I didnt see much (if any) of him in the third period last night, and I wasnt sure if he was sitting with Fehr or what the deal was there. He has been a horse in his limited capacity this season, and I can't understand why he would have been sat in the third? I know the fourth line was excellent last night, but I would have expected maybe a rotation with Beagle or something.

Posted by: Aldred15 | November 18, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Semin is a "tweak". The boy needs to toughen up and grow up.

Posted by: dsphvywght | November 18, 2009 3:49 PM

Why don't you tell him person.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 18, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1

I agree...It makes me feel that his personal issues are not stemming from a family member's needs, but his personally.

I think we all understand if thats the case...then again we dont know, and shouldnt speculate...

Get back soon Theo...we are pulling for ya...

Posted by: SA-Town | November 18, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Phil, they are apples and oranges style wise. Varly is crazy athletic and Neuvy is the better technical goalie. Varly makes some jaw dropping saves that are caused in part by him being out of position to begin with. I'm partial to Neuvy truth be told, he just seems the steadier one to me.

Posted by: Steve_R | November 18, 2009 3:53 PM |

I understand that.

Neuvy played weak opponents last year and did not look good. Varly played strong opponents last year and with the exception of the last 2-3 games, played rather well.

At the NHL level, from what we've seen from both of them, Varlamov is far ahead of him. This could change in one start for Neuvy, but until that happens, I'll hold judgment to say that Neuvy is "better" than Varlamov. Especially based on a superficial judgment of slightly worse positioning/technique.

DiP, Fleury, Hasek...all goalies who relied on their athleticism rather than their positioning/technique. Frankly, you can learn how to better position yourself for goals (as all three above did..DiP does whenever he actually plays, however rare that is)..you really cannot learn to be more athletic.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 18, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see Neuvy play a game this weekend. I agree with the poster that said that he's not better the Varly. Last year, Neuvy did not look great against Atlanta and got shelled with 5 goals against the Sabres (of course Kozzy had one of those). Still, playing a few NHL games should help with his development.

About players playing hurt: Why play through pain in November? The playoffs are 5 months away, they'll only make the problem worse.

Posted by: ablake70 | November 18, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Folks, can you agree that management and coaching staff remain coy about injuries?

Can you agree that you know nothing about the true extent of Semin's injury?

If you can't agree, let me suggest that you do not know the extent of his injury and it's a bit silly to speculate or suggest he's soft.

Posted by: Sonyask | November 18, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

When Ovi hurt his shoulder, the board was full of comments, rightly so, telling him to stay out till he was healed. Semin hurts his wrist (a fairly important part of his game, wouldn't you say?) and tries to tough it out, then decides (with his doctor and trainer I assume) to take some time off, and some people just can't WAIT to jump all over the guy for it. I'll take a healed Semin over one who reinjures his wrist. I'll take a Semin that stays healthy as much as possible over one who cannot play in the playoffs. And I'll take fans who can fairly discuss the players (not always positive, not always negative, but thoughtful to say the least) over the snarky ones who think they are clever to bash Semin and others at every opportunity.

I thought Green played really well last night too, by the way.

Posted by: dccitizen1 | November 18, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Avery gives "pests" a bad name... Esa Tikkanen was a pest.

Avery is just a nuisance with no talent

Posted by: joek443 | November 18, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Circles was seen last night on a conditioning stint in a beer league in No Va. He said he's thinking about thinking of making a decision on where's he's gonna play this year but liked the team mates he played with last night.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | November 18, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

What made Hasek great was his ability to stop amazing rebounds and cross-ice onetimers. He was an amazing technical goaltender who could hold position to the last second because of his cat-like spine. If Varly can learn to keep position like Hasek did, then we have the best goalie of the decade on our hand. As it stands, I just hope the Caps D shows up to control rebounds when he plays. Give me Theo and Neuiverth as the top two any day over Varly.

Posted by: rovingbandit | November 18, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

tarik tweet:

Defenseman Shaone Morrisonn is day to day with an upper body injury. He did not skate today and played only 10:27 last night.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | November 18, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Neuvy has not done anything at the NHL level... you'd have to nuts to rate him higher than Varly who almost has .900 winning percentage.

you can learn to be a better technical goalie in time... you CANNOT learn to be more athletic

and this team needs an athletic goalie who can make amazing saves because of the suspect defense. if this was the 1986 Caps with Langway, Stevens, Hatcher and Murphy, Neuvy might be the perfect goalie.

Posted by: joek443 | November 18, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

joek, i disagree. i think avery has a lot of talent. which makes his antics worse. he doesnt need to punch varly in the head to be an effective player. if he had no talent, he would keep getting jobs in the NHL. no team wants the headache.

if he had no talent, i could justify his actions as just trying to do what it takes to stay in the league.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 18, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I have been very impressed with Varly's mental toughness lately. I used to cringe when a bad goal -- or even any goal -- went in on Varly, not just because of the goal itself, but because I feared he would start playing worse thereafter. Now, Varly has come back really strong after some weak goals to play well for the rest of the game.

Good work from Irbe? Or maybe Varly just sorted his nerves out?

Posted by: ralph4100 | November 18, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

joek,

Will the suspect D be better or worse with Alzner and Carlson playing? Keep in mind that a number of the current players on D will be gone by the beginning of next season.

Posted by: Steve_R | November 18, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't mad at Avery when he punched Varly and Erskine got called, I was mad at the ref for such a dumb-a$$ call. Avery went down like he was a frail 86-year-old woman. Erskine is tough, but not THAT strong. Avery took an obvious DIVE. You could tell in Avery's face he was ready to argue he wasn't diving. You expect NHL refs to be able to see through that, especially when it's Avery, of all people.

Posted by: ralph4100 | November 18, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Neuvy has not done anything at the NHL level... you'd have to nuts to rate him higher than Varly who almost has .900 winning percentage.

you can learn to be a better technical goalie in time... you CANNOT learn to be more athletic

and this team needs an athletic goalie who can make amazing saves because of the suspect defense. if this was the 1986 Caps with Langway, Stevens, Hatcher and Murphy, Neuvy might be the perfect goalie.

-----------------------------------

Neuvy has 2 wins in 3 starts for the caps. As for being able to "learn" athleticism, that's what agility training is. Varly has a step on Neuvy in the reflexes department, but Neuvy has a step on Varly in the head department. He's in the right place and he hasn't shown the symptoms of just letting a goal in that Varly has. I'm not saying he's better than Varly - it's kind of apples and oranges at this point.

Don't give up on Neuvy just because Varly is moving so quickly - remember, Neuvy and Varly are both 21. They have a lot of time before they grow into their roles as starting goaltenders. Both have things to learn, but both are still good prospects that are worth looking at.

Posted by: Raber | November 18, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

@rovingbandit

What have you seen to make you so certain Neuvy is better than Varly. Why don't you go by how they have performed on the nhl level. Neuvy = 5 games played 2 1 0 — 220 11 0 3.00 0.892
Varly = 6 games played 4 0 1 329 13 0 2.37 .918
That's all from last season as I wanted apples to apples so no stats for Varly from this year. Which are consistant with his numbers from last year.
Are you just going by what some people say, I have heard it as well, neuvy is much more technical and Varly is all athletic ability. Well either way, I'm no goalie expert but I would rather have the guy with the better numbers, who has also performed very well in the NHL (read not AHL) playoffs when he wasn't even prepared. Meaning he didn't get most of the starts leading up to the playoffs to get right. I am just wondering what you are going by, unless you are a bonafide goalie expert and studied Neuvy while he was up here. Let me remind you how much more difficult it is playing goalie in the NHL than the AHL

Posted by: GreenerLife | November 18, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm looking forward to seeing with Neuvirth can do. He seems to be a much cooler customer than Varly and I feel much safer watching him than I do Varly. This is not to say that Varly has not improved, but I still prefer watching Neuvirth.

As for wanting Varly over Neuvirth - I think that's shortsighted. Neuvirth and Varly are very different in style, and having that kind of complement in your goalie tandem has to be a huge advantage. Suit your goalie to the team you're playing. I also happen to think that Neuvirth will have a longer career than Varly - fish-out-of-water goalies are more prone to injury. I prefer Neuvirth but I think there is a place for both goalies.

Posted by: kittypawz | November 18, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

if anyone just swallowed poison and needs to throw up, click below:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/hockey/nhl/?eref=sinav

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 18, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Well said Kitty

Posted by: Steve_R | November 18, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Is Perrault subject to the "10 game rule" like Aucoin was? He has played 7 so far.

Posted by: OviFan08 | November 18, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

ovifan, i dont think so since he's on his entry level contract...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 18, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

For all of you that prefer Neuvy, what are you going by. We have seen him play 3 full games at the NHL level. I'm not dismissing him, but to prefer him over Varly? I just don't get it. We don't have enough to go off of from him to say he is the better option. Or to prefer him unless if just becuase you like him more, not because you think he is the better goalie. And bringing up Varly's head, what do you mean his head isn't in it, he came into a playoff series down 1-0 and the first game he gives up one goal and loses. His back was against the wall and he came out and won the series down 2-0 and at no fault of his own. His head is great, he let in those goals against Toronto becuase the Caps gave up in the 3rd. And one other goal went in on him in the last .5 seconds of a game. If you take those away he has been an absolute stud so far. Thanks Varly keep up the good work!

Posted by: GreenerLife | November 18, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

the Edmonton Oilers' dynasty of the 80's had two all-star goalies who put up similar numbers during the regular seasons... Andy Moog and Grant Fuhr, they got equal playing time but in the playoffs it was all Fuhr who was clearly the more athletic of the two.

the current Caps play the wide-open style similar to the Oilers. when you play style, you will give up some chances... "high risk, high reward"... if you're gonna play that style of hockey, you gotta have an athletic goalie who can cover up a lot of mistakes by your d-men.

Posted by: joek443 | November 18, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Is Perrault subject to the "10 game rule" like Aucoin was? He has played 7 so far.

Posted by: OviFan08 | November 18, 2009 4:51 PM |


Excellent question, and I'm hoping that: "i dont think so since he's on his entry level contract..." is the right answer.

Posted by: Fro_ | November 18, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

What made Hasek great was his ability to stop amazing rebounds and cross-ice onetimers. He was an amazing technical goaltender who could hold position to the last second because of his cat-like spine. If Varly can learn to keep position like Hasek did, then we have the best goalie of the decade on our hand. As it stands, I just hope the Caps D shows up to control rebounds when he plays. Give me Theo and Neuiverth as the top two any day over Varly.

Posted by: rovingbandit | November 18, 2009 4:24 PM |

Taking anything away from Hasek's athletic ability doesn't seem right. Lets just say he was both technically sound and athletically superb. It's why he is the best goaltender to ever play the sport.

@kitty

I said nothing of "preferring" Varlamov over Neuvy. Again, I said this can all change in one game, but as joek and others have pointed out, Neuvrith has looked worse at the NHL level than Varlamov. No one is saying that it's Neuvrith's fault.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 18, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

For all of you that prefer Neuvy, what are you going by. We have seen him play 3 full games at the NHL level. I'm not dismissing him, but to prefer him over Varly? I just don't get it. We don't have enough to go off of from him to say he is the better option. Or to prefer him unless if just becuase you like him more, not because you think he is the better goalie. And bringing up Varly's head, what do you mean his head isn't in it, he came into a playoff series down 1-0 and the first game he gives up one goal and loses. His back was against the wall and he came out and won the series down 2-0 and at no fault of his own. His head is great, he let in those goals against Toronto becuase the Caps gave up in the 3rd. And one other goal went in on him in the last .5 seconds of a game. If you take those away he has been an absolute stud so far. Thanks Varly keep up the good work!

Posted by: GreenerLife | November 18, 2009 4:53 PM |

Exactly. Unless you are a Bears STH or something, it's based on some sort of weird "he's more technical though!" judgment.

Until I see Neuvrith play a bit more at the NHL level, I'll hold my judgment.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 18, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Also, the reason I came here was to ask if anyone has talked about Filatov yet.

He was just loaned to the KHL. Of course, he is on an entry-level contract as opposed to Nylander, but the situations are somewhat similar.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 18, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Greenerlife,

Varly's glove hand is where he seemed to be vulnerable to softies.

As far as prefering Neuvy, it's his style that I prefer over Varly's. Watched him not just in 5 NHL games, but in the various camps and practice at Kettler. His positioning just always looks preety bloody good & the glove is seriously quick.

Again, it's just an opinion. They'll be 1 and 1a next year, which should make for some interesting debates.

Posted by: Steve_R | November 18, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Don't give up on Neuvy just because Varly is moving so quickly - remember, Neuvy and Varly are both 21. They have a lot of time before they grow into their roles as starting goaltenders. Both have things to learn, but both are still good prospects that are worth looking at.

Posted by: Raber | November 18, 2009 4:43 PM |

Maybe I am just speaking for myself, but again, I am in no way giving up on Neuvrith.
Also, again, this could change in one NHL start for Neuvrith.


@rovingbandit
Stating things like "I'd take Theo and Neuvy over Varlamov any day" seems far, far, far, far, far, far more shortsighted than stating something like "Based on the NHL games both goalies have played, Varlamov has looked better."

I mean really guys...you all are turning on Varlamov now only because he has been less than stellar this year. If he was playing like he did in the first round last year, you all would not even be thinking of Neuvrith..so what seems short-sighted, really?

Posted by: richmondphil | November 18, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Neuvy needs to get his time in an NHL net. I was very comforted by what I saw when he was up before. If Theo's out, he'll get more time, and that's terrific. It's a bit early to claim one or another is "better." They're different, and both have some very good future promise for this club.

Posted by: Sonyask | November 18, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

as of right now this year Varly is 8-1, 2.59 GAA with .911 save percentage... not sure what some of you people expected outta him this year but I'll take those numbers any day especially for a team with suspect defense

Posted by: joek443 | November 18, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Varly has reaction and Neuvy has positioning. But they are young and have plenty of room to improve

Posted by: Hazz | November 18, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I think some are being unrealistic when it comes to Neuvy's skill set. He's not going to storm in and shut out ever NHL team. Yes, he won the Calder Cup, but that was in the AHL. Alexander Giroux was a 76 goal scorer in the AHL

Neuvy deserves a look but let's not toss Varly aside after 11 games because he gave up "soft" goals. Every goalie gives up soft goals. Brodeur and Lunqivst are the best in the league and they gave up a couple soft goals to the Caps.

Posted by: ablake70 | November 18, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

It's all about Holtby anyway. Screw Neuvy and Varly.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 18, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I just think it's impossible to say that "Neuvy is just as good as Varlamov."

It could be true for all I know, but how are you guys making this decision? By Varlamov's undoubtedly better NHL stats? Really...on what? Watching them in practice? Because Neuvy is better "positionally"?

Like I said, you guys could be right, but I think I will hold that judgment until we..you know...see Neuvirth play more in the NHL.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 18, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

"Last year, Neuvy did not look great against Atlanta and got shelled with 5 goals against the Sabres (of course Kozzy had one of those)."

ablake70- That was Varly in the Sabres game when he gave up 5 goals...just thought I'd clear that up for you.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 18, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I think everyone should just put to rest about who's better than who at this point. We can't judge until Neuvy plays on a more consistent basis. But keep going, it's good conversation.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 18, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

GreenerLife:
you can't have it both ways

Why don't you go by how they have performed on the nhl level. Neuvy = 5 games played 2 1 0 — 220 11 0 3.00 0.892
Varly = 6 games played 4 0 1 329 13 0 2.37 .918

and
His head is great, he let in those goals against Toronto becuase the Caps gave up in the 3rd. And one other goal went in on him in the last .5 seconds of a game

unless your going to evaluate each of neuny's games from last year (four of his five games were against non-playoff teams that were of no threat to the caps in the standings - i don't think the caps d played very good in front of him in three of those games) it is unfair to pick and choose how/why varly is better.

i'm not sold on neuvirth at this level yet - for that matter varly still has room for improvement. preferring neuvy over varly for any reason is just an opinion which is as valid as anyone elses
at this point.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 18, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

ablake70- That was Varly in the Sabres game when he gave up 5 goals...just thought I'd clear that up for you.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 18, 2009 5:34 PM

It was Varly. Thanks.

Posted by: ablake70 | November 18, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil: Granted, but what I see is this. Neuvirth is taking a little longer to develop than Varlamov, which is okay. I think he'll last longer, though, because technique stays after the athleticism slacks off. Neuvirth didn't get as many starts as Varly did, nor was he here for as long.

Also, never said you preferred anything. I said I preferred Neuvirth for reasons I'm about to go into.

What bothers me about Varly is that he seems to flop around like a fish out of water, where Neuvirth is calm, collected, and a presence in the net. When I was watching him in the Calder Cup finals, it was clear to me that he was that team's anchor, as solid as they come. I've never felt that way with Varly.

No doubt that Varly makes some jaw-dropping stops and that there is a place for both of them because they are so different. Chill, folks. I'm just stating a personal preference for style.

Posted by: kittypawz | November 18, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

@ Steve_R

I really have no idea how good Carlson or Alzner will be at the NHL level... just because they've been good at every level they've played at so far, doesn't guarantee anything.

I know this was from another era and managegement team but they said guys like John Slaney and Jason Woolley would be good NHL defensemen as well.

Posted by: joek443 | November 18, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Agree with Kitty. Just really bothers me when someone says "Neuvirth has looked worse at this level than Varly."

He's only started 3 NHL games... it's not like Varly's never had a game where he let in 5 goals. The amount of games he's played just isn't enough to judge from yet.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 18, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

@rachel216: I think at this point it's a battle of opinions. You know the old saying, "Opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one and they all stink?" Well, when you get into a battle of a**holes, it's time to hold your breath and leave the room because it's probably a frat party. Same goes for a battle of opinions. :)

Posted by: kittypawz | November 18, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Well if it is just a preference of style, that is fine. But I want to point out that this started because someone said "Neuvy was just as good as Varlamov". I don't really have a problem with that statement, I am just very curious as to why one would come to this conclusion. Varlamov has looked better at the NHL. As far as I'm concerned, that is all that matters to me at this point. Will Neuvy be better than Varlamov? Could be.. but again, I don't see how that argument could be made now until we see Neuvy more at the NHL level. There's nothing to base it on really.

As far as the fish flopping, again, I go back to the great Hasek. He played longer than most goalies in the NHL and still plays at age 44. His spine is basically made up of some sort of fluid. At least that's what the doctors found when they checked it out.
Fleury was frequently cited as not being calm and playing too aggressive. Fleury has a Cup. DiP, easily a top 10 goalie when he is on his game, was also stated early in his career for having too much of an aggressive style. On the flip side, Broduer was said to be a "smart" goalie from the get-go, but seemed to develop his quickness and amazing ability to find the puck as he went on. It goes both ways, but if you prefer one to the other, be my guess. Great goaltenders blend both to make the saves when needed. I don't really prefer a style at all, I just want the save to be made.


Posted by: richmondphil | November 18, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Varlamov being better at Neuvy is a cold, hard fact. It's an objective claim.
Could this be only because Neuvy hasn't gotten the ice-time he deserves? Could be.. but it does not change the fact of the statement.

I am not expressing any opinion. I am wondering how some of you are coming to your own conclusions. Stating "Varlamov is better than Neuvrith" seems like a much more plausible statement than "Neuvrith is better than Varlamov". The fact that Neuvy has not played as much at the NHL level is a valid point to bring up, but has no bearing on the truth-value of the statement.

Again, I would like to know why or how Neuvy is "just as good" or "better" than Varlamov, at this point. The stats prove otherwise.

I don't "prefer" Varlamov's style..I prefer the goalie who is better.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 18, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I sure hope they give Neuvy a chance, he really does have the talent to surpass Varly with time!

Posted by: NatyBG | November 18, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Varly was strong last night. Up to this point neither Varly nor Theo were stopping the "shots they could see" which every goaltender at this level can do. If Varly can find consistency like last night he is the hands down favorite to play the majority of the games for the rest of the year and playoffs. Once again, I can live with our D (altho I do feel it would be improved with Alzner and Carlson) but we have got to have a goalie that stops the average shots. Varly has more upside than Theo and is a better goalie all around even today. If he can solve his glove we will be set in net and our defensive breakdowns will be far less visible.

Right now our D is like skating on this ice because they know if they make a mistake it'll end up in the net. Imagine if Varly is able to improve and make those saves how much better our system will be. Our D won't have to be so panicked if they do make a mistake. Confidence in your goalie is everything.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | November 18, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

here's a great stat:
based on current play varlamov is projected to have 31 W's, 4 L's and 0 OTL.
throw anyone else in net that can even play .500 (theo is 5-3, say 19W and 20L) and you get 55-27.
110~ pts is elite right?
therefore my conclusion is varly is an elite goalie. *laughter*

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 18, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about Theodore. Hope things are okay with him. But that means Neuvy (who I call "The New Kid on the Block" will get a chance to play at goal for the weekend). I recall his last "regular" season game was rather rough, to say the least. And he soon got sent back down to Hershey where he did very well during the Calder Cup run.

Anyway, I hope the kids do well at goal this weekend. While I'm personally more of a Varlamov fan than a Neuvirth fan, I wish Neuvy well too.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 18, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Confidence in your goalie is everything.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | November 18, 2009 6:13 PM |

Yet 99.9% of players comments seem to prove otherwise.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 18, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

therefore my conclusion is varly is an elite goalie. *laughter*

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 18, 2009 6:16 PM |

A conclusion that Neuvy is just as good as Varly makes me giggle more. :) Cheers!

Posted by: richmondphil | November 18, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I think you can't say either right now. You can't say Varly is better than Neuvirth, or Neuvirth is better than Varly. Neuvirth not playing at the NHL level is actually the biggest reason why you can't state either.

Because you just can't judge when one's played in 5 total games and the other has played 20+ games.

They're the same age, next year when they are both up here then we will finally see.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 18, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

I heard that Shaone Morrisonn is day to day with an upper body injury. That's why he was missing for the last part of the game and had a very low time on ice.

So, who will be the next guy called up from Hershey. Tune in tomorrow to find out. This is, of course, assuming that Morrisonn and Jurcina are still out. If they're both out, that removes the option of moving Sloan to forward. We only have 11 healthy forwards at this point. Ovi, Backstrom, Clark, Flash, B. Morrison, Laich, Fehr, Perreault, Bradley, Stecks, Beagle. (I assume that Boyd Gordon and Alex Semin are not likely to play tomorrow.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 18, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

I am in total agreement with joek443:

"you can learn to be a better technical goalie in time... you CANNOT learn to be more athletic"

I have no idea why this fascination with Neuvy when we have only seen him-- what twice?-- play on an NHL level.

kittypawz: You actually feel safer when Neuvy is in goal because "he seems to be a much cooler customer than Varly?" What do you base it on? I remember distinctly that Neuvy seemed completely overwhelmed and intimidated when he played for us last year, especially in the second game. Not that he will not gain confidence over time but he definitely seemed out of his league last year, and he was used in games with weaker opponents.

Varly, on the other hand, in spite of his flaws, led us to the second round of playoffs thought he was thrown in the jaws of the beast without any warning. He has guts. This year, he won 8 out of 10 games he started and has a save rate of over 90% in his last consecutive games. What else do we want from him?

I completely understand and respect matters of "personal preference for style." I have my own. Anyway, if one is technical and the other athletic, we may have the perfect pairing.

Personally, I find Varly's high-risk and aggressive style exciting and comforting. It fits with the style and identity of the team.

I have no idea how the boundaries have been drawn tightly around two categories -- "athletic" and "technical," as though there can be no combinations, variations or other options.

To me Varly is more than "athletic." He may crash and self-destruct before he is great, for all I know, but he has that ineffable charisma that is the stuff of potentially great athletes & artists: passion, inventivess, hunger, fearlessness, drive...I can't completely define it since I called it "ineffable."

Both kids need to build confidence and consistency. I hope they develop the right way for us. It will be exciting to see what they can do together and I hope Theo's absence will give us this opportunity. I am sure BB will let Neuvy play in Toronto.

Posted by: caraveli | November 18, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

if i can't get on here and post about the curiously-short reproductive appendages and questionable sexual orientation of the ad-homimen attack-bloggers from japers rink who are now posting negative comments about semin over here, why are they allowed to get on here and take direct swipes at semin's masculinity, on the basis of his wrist injury? call him soft? call him 'fierce', which is barely shy of using the 'f' word. how have they not been banned for their bad behavior? is it because tarik and/or other editors here approve of what they are posting? or do the editors here just think it's cute when the posters here argue back and forth? just saying that it seems odd that their very bad behavior, at BEST a breach of good board etiquette, at WORST homophobic attacks on one of our players, is being allowed.

bad form, attack bloggers. you should be ashamed.

Posted by: spinner-33 | November 18, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I've noticed that the Pens are back to their winning ways with Malkin back in the lineup. This is true even with most of their D-men out.

If they keep winning with their replacement D-man, I wonder if the Pens would then decide that 1 or 2 veteran D-man (with comparatively high salaries) would make good trade bait for the playoff run. So, who would they trade with? A playoff caliber team who could use some help at defense, a team who could use a defensemen with Stanley Cup experience. They also see this team has more top 6 caliber forwards than they know what to do with and notice that one of those forwards is often criticized and an impending free agent and not cheap. The Pens drool at the prospect of this forward on a line with either Malkin or Crosby and make an offer.

Yes, that's my nightmare. Alex Semin getting traded to the Pens this season just prior to the trading deadline for one of the Pens veteran D-men.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 18, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I am in total agreement with joek443:

"you can learn to be a better technical goalie in time... you CANNOT learn to be more athletic"

_____________

Hey, hey know, give credit where credit is due! A rare occasion where me, joek, and caraveli all agree must be pointed out!

Posted by: richmondphil | November 18, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

CapsFan75:
careful - you're getting very close to obsessing on semins eventual departure. you should sending out good vibes about the his impending resigning instead.
btw - it is blasphemy to talk of a capital being traded to the pens

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 18, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree with richmondphil on this one. He's not passing judgement but pointing out the amount of experience. Why are we choosing one over the other. They are both kids--GMGM has that right.

Right now we are grooming Varly with Theo and Irbe providing the NHL experience through leadership and coaching respectively (yes I like Theo too). Neuvy will I expect be getting some starts this season (I hope he does play one of the games this weekend--I don't care which) and will I expect be groomed at the NHL level next year. (Likewise I expect Holtby to be the Bears no. 1 goalie next season).

From everything I've read it takes years to develop a goalie properly. We don't want to put the weight of the season on either of our young goalies. I fully expect that we will see both Varly and Neuvy next year the way we are seeing Varly and Theo this year.

They have different styles and I feel equally passionate about both of them. I love the idea of the Caps being able to suit up the right goalie for the right opposing team. Think how powerful we can be if we can suite up the right goalie for each opposing team. Sometimes we will need that prescient physical ability of Varly (remember he kept us alive in several playoff games) and sometimes we will need a calm classical positional style.

Moreover, at this point my understanding is that Irbe is teaching Varly the reliance on position. I certainly see this in him thus far in the season. Next year I hope that our goalie coach (perhaps Irbe) will be teaching Neuvy better reactive/athletic responses.

For the next couple of years we will have the fortune of being able to switch goalies. Let's not argue over which style is better. It depends on the team we are playing. And BOTH need NHL experience--Varly is getting more of it this year. And I expect Neuvy will be the one groomed and getting seasoning next season.

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | November 18, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Yes, that's my nightmare. Alex Semin getting traded to the Pens this season just prior to the trading deadline for one of the Pens veteran D-men.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 18, 2009 6:33 PM |


I think it's safe to assume that that will never happen. In order for them to absorb Semin's hit, they would need to trade Orpik plus someone else or Gonchar. I don't see them getting rid of Orpik, and I don't see us wanting/needing Gonchar.

That said, I would love to have McKee or Orpik on this team.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 18, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

"you can learn to be a better technical goalie in time... you CANNOT learn to be more athletic"

robots don't need athleticism
czech machine never breaks!!

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 18, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

5 years from now Neuvy could very well be better than Varly but like in any sport, guys who are more athletic will usually have an advantage in the beginning - pitchers who can throw a 95 mph fastball over those who can only throw 90, etc

Neuvy has to be able to read the plays, anticipate and put himself in a better position than goalies like Varly and that can only come from more playing time at the NHL level.

Posted by: joek443 | November 18, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

@newbiecapsfan07

Thanks for understanding my real point. I am not trying to bash Neuvy at all. The fact that one could conclude that Varlamov is better than Neuvy at this point in time is, as rachel216 pointed out, largely based on the fact that neuvy has not been given equal ice-time. That's not Neuvy's fault, but nor should it affect the fact that Varlamov has played better at this level.


We should all be thankful we have two very good goaltenders to compete for that coveted spot for the next few years, along with another promising goalie coming up as well. (Holtby.)

Posted by: richmondphil | November 18, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

OH NO Varly or Neuvy...Neuvy or Varly..30 or 40...OH NO...Semin's wrist,Gordon's back, Laing's jawbone, Mo's upperbody, Knuble's finger...OH NO so many boo boos ChickenLittle having trouble worrying about them all.

Posted by: ChickenLittleCapsFan | November 18, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil

I meant to say that I completely agreed with joek443 and YOU. I scrolled through the various posts in search of the correct spelling of your exotic name but couldn't find it fast enough so I settled for agreeing just with Joe. I knew your name had something to do with Richmond and some kind of bill or mobile. I now see that it is "phil" not bill -- a realization that may improve my blog participation and stats.

I find myself agreeing with both of you lately so, you are right, bloggers beware!

Posted by: caraveli | November 18, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

so my comment about inappropriate comments got deleted? that's classy. thanks for letting us know where you stand on free speech :(

Posted by: spinner-33 | November 18, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

my bad. it wasn't deleted. waiting for refreshing. *sigh* i'm waiting for the inappropriate comments to be deleted.

Posted by: spinner-33 | November 18, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

@Capt_Kirk_in_AZ

I know I'm getting paranoid at this point (about Semin). So imagined the worst. The Pens probably could not afford his cap hit anyhow.

I think things will be fine for him once he's healthy and productive again.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 18, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

ChickenLittleCapsFan:

I am afraid you forgot to add: BB's book sales, Nyls' status, Clark's anxiety (will he ever be in the front line again?)and Bradley's boo boo from his fight last night. Hey, we are in NHL not AHL. We have to juggle many more boo boos at this level.

Posted by: caraveli | November 18, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Semin played through his injury the whole time that Ovi was gone, until he came back. Anyone that can't realize that, maybe should not be watching hockey.

Plus, wrist injuries to your goal scorers are never, ever, ever good. You would much rather want to over-rest them than under-rest them.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 18, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ralph4100 | November 18, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

@caraveli--I find myself in the rare position of agreeing with all three of you--joek443 and richmondphil included-- at the same time in the same thread about the same topic no less. But the fact that we posters can argue over which goalie is better tells me just how rich depthwise we are with our goalies. Methinks that this is a perfect Thanksgiving discussion.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | November 18, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

@Capt_Kirk_in_AZ

I know I'm getting paranoid at this point (about Semin). So imagined the worst. The Pens probably could not afford his cap hit anyhow.

I think things will be fine for him once he's healthy and productive again.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 18, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

BTW newbiecapsfan07 is my laptop persona. I can't write as much on my iphone, which some of you may doubtless prefer. That other persona is rather longwinded.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | November 18, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil
Exactly. That has been my thought. I also agree with earlier post that a wrist injury to a sniper/scorer is very different than one to a grinder.

A sucessful hockey team is made up of different types of players for different purposes. We certainly would not be successful with just Erskine types, nor with just Semin types -- we need both! And I hope Semin gets better fast and stays in DC. His skill is a thing of beauty to watch.

Posted by: Steakum | November 18, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

And I really have to object to the incredibly immature types who must denigrate others (or compare them to body parts) to make a point. Geez, a real problem with education today.

Posted by: Steakum | November 18, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

dear ralphie
thank you for the perfect example of an ad hominem attack.
sincerely
spinner

Posted by: spinner-33 | November 18, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

Agree with you. A goal scorer with a wrist injury is never a good thing. Semin had played with that injury for over a week. At least it's nothing serious. (And at least the wrist is the only thing wrong at this point. I presume there were other things wrong, in addition.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 18, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1

That was a good snarky comment. ("Why don't you tell him yourself" on Semin.)

On Semin's injuries. The amount of time he missed with the sprained ankle two years ago was not unreasonable. (It was about the same amount of time Fedorov missed with a similar injury last year.) Both of them tried coming back too soon.

Gordon is missing quite a bit of time with his back injury. I recall that Semin had a pinched nerve in his back last year and then was reinjured by the infamous cross check by David Backes. I don't know the specific injury for Gordon but the amount of time missed is similar.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 18, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

@Capsyoungguns

So, it turns out you are newbiecapsfan as well. It never had dawned on me.

By either name, I enjoy your posts.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 18, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

@Capt_Kirk_in_AZ

I'm probably sounding more down and paranoid than usual.

One of my friends on my job had just announced his resignation. He was getting a lot of grief and criticism on the job in the past few months. He felt like he couldn't win, no matter what he did (just like a certain Caps forward). So, of course, he looked for a new job and resigned. I'm happy he found a new job but will miss having him around.

I hope Boudreau, McPhee (and the other players) appreciate the efforts of Semin. I'm sure he will be more willing to hang around here, if he feels appreciated.

Now let's do some visualization. Imagine CapsFan75 purchasing a player jersey for her birthday. And that it will be one in honor of a certain forward who is still ON the team with a multi-year deal.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 18, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

@Steakum

Yes, we need players of all different types to be a successful team. "Tough guys" like Erskine and snipers like Semin.

TominFla made a similar post about having defensemen with different skill sets in an earlier thread.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 18, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

I am in total agreement with joek443:

"you can learn to be a better technical goalie in time... you CANNOT learn to be more athletic"

The same applies with your skaters. You can teach fundamantal play, but you can't teach natural ability.

Mother Nature gave Ovechkin, Semin and Green their skills. Quintin Laing worked his own butt off to become a hockey player. The aforementioned Muskateers can, byt their own choosing, put in their time and catch up to Q on fundamantals. Q though may not appeal to Ma Nature and get through divine intervention authority to have Ovi's skills injected into his body.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 18, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

@Capt_Kirk_in_AZ

On Varly. I know that he won't be able to keep up that incredible win percentage forever -- the mathematical chances of it are next to impossible. Don't get me wrong -- I love Varly.

In any case, I think the Caps have a pretty good chance of getting to 110 points this season with their combination of goalies. It will be better for us in the long run if one of the kids becomes our #1 goalie by the end of the year.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 18, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

@CapsFan75 did you work for Greg Craig?

Posted by: ralph4100 | November 18, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I would like to comment on the incredible amount of electrons that were used to debate:

WHO IS BETTER? VARLY OR NEUVY?

Well....we don't know yet. Like, check back in 20 years?

People here, many very knowledgeable and good people, if I may presume goodness from your posts, seem to have chosen sides like so many adolescent males in southern towns who about the time of their 16th birthday make the most important decision they will ever make in life - no, not who they will marry -

Ford or Chevy.

I had this kid once to come by to get my daughter for a ate and he didn't understand - I mean, DIDN'T UNDERSTAND - how we had a 99 Z28 with Borla exhaust in the driveway (wife's) parked next to my 00 Mustang GT convertible.

You'd think I'd've asked the Pope to autograph my copy of the Koran.

Needless, to say, he was a "Chevy Man." Yes. At 18.

Neuvy was up for seeveral games last year and was "shaky." To say the least. He went back down to Hershey and played incredibly the rest of the year. I'll bet you can find a dozen NHL goalies who won Calder MVP who are now NHL HoF.

Neuvy isn't the goalie we saw last year, and Varly isn't even the goalie we saw the other night.

Chill. Have a drink. Crimany, have another. You know what - have another yet. Sit back. And watch them backstop us to the Cup.

Because it WILL HAPPEN unless GMGM botches the Semin and Flash negotiations.

Tarik: If the Caps need a professional negotiator with $10B (that's billion with a B) worth of cost estimates in my hip pocket, tell them to give me a call and for a tidy sum I'll fly into town and land Backie, Semin and Flash faster than you can count to three.

If I could whip the Isrealis, I can whip anyone.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 18, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Here's what I will do for the Washington Capitals organization:

1) I will get you Alex Semin 8 yrs, $50M (that would be "Richards money") befeore he bolts to the KHL for one year so he can come back to the States as a UFA.

2) I will get you Flash at 5 yrs/$17.5M (that would be Olesz money) before he takes one year at arbitration after which he is a UFA.

3) I will get you Backie 11 yrs $71.5M which is $6.5M a year (less than Kopitar at $6.8M/yr) because Backie will go a little cheaper to get his contract matched to Ovechkin.

What the Caps will do for me:

A retainer of one half of one percent of the total contract value which comes to like $700K plus travel and per diem and all the wine I can drink plus two tickets to all 82 games on the schedule for the life of Backie's contract. And I want boneless ribeyes served during all home games so I can Rock The Red with Napa's finest.

Oh, and I want my name on the Cup when we win.

Have I asked for too much?

Thats: TOMINFL1

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 18, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

@capsfan75--I enjoy your posts too. Actually there are a number of posters whom I enjoy reading on CI. Yeah, I'm back to my longwinded persona. I'm usually on my laptop. The iphone is a toy of just four or five months, but it was a good opportunity to choose something better than newbie.

I became interested in hockey when my son started playing for the Mites and I listened my husband and son talk Caps. They were the ones who talked me into getting the ST--first game I went to was the Caps/Philly (or should I say Philthy) playoff series and I've been hooked ever since. Now the two of them are quite bemused by how fanatical of a fan I've become. I'm quite fond of my bobbleheads.

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | November 18, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1

Your proposal sounds like a winner. Get those contracts negotiated for our boys.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 18, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, do it to it.

Addendum: Richmondphil gets a ribeye and a vegetarian dish for his fiance when they attend the few games they do. And wine.

I get that for doing nothing. Sounds fehr to me.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 18, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm just re-posting this because it's funny. All credit to FusilliJerry. Hope I spelled that right.


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Posted by: richmondphil | November 18, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

As usual timinfl1 (ha ha) your analysis is quite convincing. I've never been quite sure why so many posters see the situation as an either/or with Backs and Semin. I believe GMGM wants both. Flash is a lovely complexity to the end of the season negotiation anxieties--what a great season he's having so far. I believe GMGM would like all three. But you might have asked for too much with the boneless ribeyes--GMGM might have to think about it.

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | November 18, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Phil:

Sounds like you will be embarking on a "mixed marriage."

Yes, that would be a meat-eater and a grazer.

Some call them vegetarians; I call tehm grazers.

Show me a cow on a farm and I will begin carving her up in my mind and picturing the burgers, steaks and casseroles as they sit on my dinner plate.

If cows weren't meant to be eaten, tell me then: Why did God invent the Weber?

Sometimes in life the Truth is so obvious we need only sit back and enjoy the ride.

Pass me a burger.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 18, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Capsyoungguns:

Good Thanksgiving perspective on the goalie situation.

Meanwhile what's new with Nylander. He can't even practice with the Caps. How much can he tolerate? Is this a battle of wills--who will flinch first--or what?

Which of the various rumors do you think is the most recent and most reliable--that he is going to Russia or that he is not going to Russia?

Posted by: caraveli | November 18, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I am guessing he won't be going to Russia.

Damn..FLA just popped open on Vokoun. I knew I should have benched him tonight.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 18, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

No wait..I had one too many drinks tonight.

Vokoun plays on FLA ! and FLA scoring on Miller is a good thing ! I learn something new everyday.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 18, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Pepper at Japers has a nice piece on being a Caps fan at MSG. Apparently one can safely rock-the-red there. Caps fans are invading New York.

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | November 18, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Ah, I knew what threw me off. Dominic Moore scored last for FLA who last played for BUF.

Stupid Dominic Moore. And beer.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 18, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

CapsFan75:
sorry to hear about your friend.
let's hope that semin can't read english or if he can that he doesn't practice that skill here at CI.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 18, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Ugh on anything to do with Nyls. I prefer to talk about the plentiful bounty of goalies we have. I still maintain that I really like both of them Neuvy and Varly and I have tons of respect for Theo. Haven't had the fortune to see Holtby but from what I've read he's a pretty exciting prospect too.

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | November 18, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Phil: I'm actually a little concerned. First, the other day, you said your fiance totaled your new car (you mentioned she was unhurt).

Now you say she's a vegetarian.

Phil dude, follow me here...for a moment... is she Phil, is she (I'm trying to be really quiet) a ....caps fan.....?

Phil, we're talking about a RELATIONSHIP. Supposedly you're going to spend eternity with her, Phil. BUT...some questions must be asked.

Like...when you go to Beall's (cuz all us penny-pinchers go there) is she OVERLY ATTRACTED to orange clothing?

This, Phil, is what Oprah calls a "bad sign."

And when you go out dining and you order a 24 oz prime rib does she go to the waiter and change the order to bean sprouts?

Phil, in a word, "bad sign."

Phil dude, bud, I'm not trying to talk you out of it - God knows I'll be there for the wedding and I won't say a F'KN word when they do that "If anyone here..." business - I'm just sayin'...when I come up there in Richmond to visit so we can sit in MY BOX for negotiating the contracts...

Do I have to hide the beef jerky?

Signed,
tominfl1

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 18, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse


FAN POLL: TOP D?
Who is Slovakia's best all-around defenseman?
Zdeno Chara:
77.83 %
Milan Jurcina:
2.88 %
Andrej Meszaros:
4.17 %
Lubomir Visnovsky:
15.11 %


If course, I voted for Juice!

Posted by: richmondphil | November 18, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Do I have to hide the beef jerky?

Signed,
tominfl1

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 18, 2009 9:35 PM |

I love beef jerky.

And the accident wasn't her fault. At least the lady had car insurance. (Hey, here in Richmond, there's about a 60% they won't have insurance..if they don't drive off.)

Posted by: richmondphil | November 18, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl:
Eh I have a different outlook on Vegetarians living in a predominately Buddhist country. They have a valid cultural and religious reason to not eat meat, and they don't ever act high and mighty because they don't eat cows. Rather to them it is just food.

As for the food, Well I ate a month at a restaurant before I found out it was vegetarian. I thought I was eating chicken and pork nightly but instead was eating a trick. I still go after learning. Why not? It tastes great and is very healthy for me.

Posted by: trunkenmath | November 18, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Eh I have a different outlook on Vegetarians living in a predominately Buddhist country. They have a valid cultural and religious reason to not eat meat, and they don't ever act high and mighty because they don't eat cows. Rather to them it is just food.

As for the food, Well I ate a month at a restaurant before I found out it was vegetarian. I thought I was eating chicken and pork nightly but instead was eating a trick. I still go after learning. Why not? It tastes great and is very healthy for me.

Posted by: trunkenmath | November 18, 2009 9:42 PM |

Sarcasm aside, she is vegetarian for none of the usual reasons one would present. She chose to not eat meat at a young age just for the mere fact it grossed her out. She has no moral qualms or religious reasoning as to why.

My BA is actually in Religious Studies with a focus on Eastern Religions. Curiously, I have to ask, what country do you live in?

Posted by: richmondphil | November 18, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

tominfl1:
semin - 3 year deal (maybe 4)
5.5, 6, 6.5 = 18 (6 per)
i'm not convinced that semin would really want to stay here for 8 yrs.
it's not really lowballing - he's only got to wait 3 yrs and can look for more then

backstrom - 5 yrs
5, 5.5, 6, 6.5, 7 = 30 (6 per)
6m is 2.5x what he gets now. same thing as with semin - after 5 yrs he can look for a new deal

ovi is already around 17% of the cap space today. if the cap goes down, i don't think you can commit that much for those terms.

if the goalie situation turns out as good as we all hope - then in three or four years you'll have varly, neuvy or both asking for fair value.

it s*cks for those (not only on the caps) that are due their share now - but most are not going to get what they want.

if too much is allocated to too few - i would fear that the likes of laich, steckel, bradley, etc. would bolt for better offers. it's hard to work within the fluctuating budget of the cap - but you'll need 23 guys on the roster and the longer term deals can bite you in the *ss

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 18, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

trunkenmath: I'm all for valid reasons for anything. I know if everyone on earth stopped eating chickens tomorrow, we'd have an epidemic of too many chickens within the week.

As you know, much of what I write must be taken with a grain of salt.

As for me, I had a strip steak that I wouldn't eat Tuesday since we were playing NY. Had chicken. Had that steak tonight w/red wine and then afterward a glass of white, now having leftover margaritas that I made for the mexican chicken. This means I have rocked the red, white and green tonight. Call me a banana republic flag.

Meanwhile my wife is making me hot tea. She says she doesn't want me to develop a drinking problem.

I tell her I never once ever had a problem getting a drink.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 18, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

"...if too much is allocated to too few..."

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 18, 2009 9:57 PM

Capt Kirk: It was Mister Spock I believe who quoted in Star Trek movie #2 something to do with, "Sometimes the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one."

I've always said, "Never trust a man with green blood."

And that is why I trust Matt Bradley so much.

Kirk: This is me, now, really. Not the jokester I am so much of the time. Nikky will never be had in our wildest dreams for 5 yrs/$30M. Check the stats...do the math...the only comparable I could find was Kopitar. If you or anyone can find a better match, please report back, but his agent will ask for Kopitar money and then lean back in the chair with arms folded and wait for midnight and then all the next day, still smiling and sipping from the exotic water bottle, until Georgie coughs up Teddy's cash.

(Now back to the jokester.)

And George will go green in the face and express displeasure and say, "We can't go that far." And then George will say, "Look, our chief negotiator, tominfl1, will accept eleven years, to match Ovechkin, but only at $6.5M a year."

Backstrom's agent, feeling the pressure, and knowing I have Excel spreadsheets galore to back up the figures, will instantly unsheath his overly priced pen and stick it in Backie's hand.

"You score goal but tominfl1 make number. Quick," he will say. "Sign now."

Meanwhile, somewhere, Ted Leonsis is on the cell phone.

"Yes. Ribeye steaks. R-I-B-E-Y-E. I need 50 pounds and I need it for Friday night. And a case of wine. Seven Deadly Zins."

I know what I'm willing to do and I will do it for my team and cash.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 18, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

@Capt_Kirk_in_AZ

Sasha himself admits he can understand English but has trouble speaking it. I'm sure he's picked up some reading skills in it.

CI is not the most negative blog on Semin, by any stretch of the imagination, although we have our share of Semin haters. (Sasha should never, ever read "Storming the Crease".)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 18, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Theme song -- if it's November, then it's injury time for the Caps. Both last year and this year. At least, the team's winning, in spite of the injuries.

This month's toll:

Ovi (out for 2 weeks -- now back)
Green (1 game absence -- now back)
Shultz (out for 3 games -- now back)
Knuble (expected to be out 3-4 weeks)
B Gordon (had returned but injured again)
Semin
Laing (4-6 weeks)
S Morrisonn

And we're not even mentioning Fehr's injury that he had recently come back from.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 18, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

@Richmondphil

Close enough. Here is another one. they are in the Yahoo! Sports gallery for the game tonight. There are some really good photos in there.

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Posted by: FusilliJerry1 | November 18, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

tominfl1:
one of the points i failed to mention was - i don't think players/agents can any longer say 'so and so' makes this - compare the numbers. i realize that this is how the current system works for the most part. each team will need to determine how much, for how long and to whom those precious $$ can go. i believe the trend will start to become shorter contracts - the teams can hope for a higher cap or the player doesn't have to wait long to find another team willing to pay. i think the long term contracts will become a thing of the past.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 18, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

i believe the trend will start to become shorter contracts - the teamost part. each team will need to dems can hope for a higher cap or the player doesn't have to wait long to find another team willing to pay. i think the long term contracts will become a thing of the past.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 18, 2009 11:05 PM

I agree. In the case of Backstrom, I don't think it makes sense for the team or him to sign a long term deal. If his development continues on the current track and the Caps win a Cup, he can get more money in a few years. If not the team can go in a different direction.

Of course, after I submit this Backstrom will sign an 11 yr deal with the Caps.

Posted by: ablake70 | November 18, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Of course, after I submit this Backstrom will sign an 11 yr deal with the Caps.

Posted by: ablake70 | November 18, 2009 11:24 PM

i would have to say your strategy is brilliant - 11 yrs it is

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 18, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Alex Semin has to be the softest player in the league. I love his skill set but he should change his last name to Glass or Fragile' I would trade him before his contract comes up for a Hartnell/Richards type of player. Also he is always a threat to bolt to the KHL so GMGM please think about moving him.

Posted by: jgreif | November 18, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Alex Semin has to be the softest player in the league. I love his skill set but he should change his last name to Glass or Fragile' I would trade him before his contract comes up for a Hartnell/Richards type of player. Also he is always a threat to bolt to the KHL so GMGM please think about moving him.

Posted by: jgreif | November 18, 2009 11:56 PM

To jgreif, and the other endless Semin haters who have been posting recently:

Semin could also break your face shooting at you with his busted wrist. Should we call you 'fragile'?

As someone else already said, different players have a) different thresholds for pain and b) different body healing rates. Gaborik got injured all the time in Minnesota and they finally gave up on him. Bet the Rangers are happy about that one eh?

Don't get me wrong, there are many players that are getting/will get Semin like money that I'd rather have than Semin (e.g. Kovy, Heatley, Zetterberg). There are also many players that I would rather have Semin than (e.g. Smyth, E. Staal, Campbell) who are making the kind of money he will next year. Yeah, I know Brian Campbell is a defenseman, but still.

Posted by: Raber | November 19, 2009 1:32 AM | Report abuse

People who complain about "semin money" realize we already pay him near 5 mil per year right? Toss him another mil or 2 and be done with it.

Posted by: trunkenmath | November 19, 2009 3:01 AM | Report abuse

@Raber

Heatley and Kovy are making more than Semin at the moment, so obviously the GM's of those teams agree with you on their worth vis-a-vis Semin. Heatley has more years left on his deal while Koby is an unrestricted FA.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 19, 2009 6:35 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who wants to get rid of Green or Semin is eligible to be consigned to the newly formed Doofus Brigade. Those wishing to get rid of both will get a commission, and if you also want to get rid of BB and GMGM then you can be the colonel.

Prepare for deployment to Filthydelphia.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 19, 2009 6:56 AM | Report abuse

Raber: Very clearly Semin can make a compelling case for Vanek cash of $7.1M. Here are the figures:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Vanek

Vanek I believe is overpaid, but those are the numbers. The club can reasonably counter with Richards money, which is either 5.7 over 12 or, more accurately, 6.2 over the first ten.

Semin's options are to ask for arbitration for one year (like JayBo) or play one year in Russia. In July 2011 he would be a UFA and he could TRY for a Gaborik deal (7.5).

I think it comes down to how much does he want to stay with Ovechkin, because it's likely in his interest to go the UFA route and I doubt the club can pay $7M.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 19, 2009 7:05 AM | Report abuse

This was culled from the Baltimorer Sun article on last night's Wizards game:

Local sports stars Alex Ovechkin, Nicklas Backstrom and Mike Green of the Capitals, and Ryan Zimmerman of the Nationals were in the sellout crowd of 20,173.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 19, 2009 7:17 AM | Report abuse

What's up Capschick, were/are you a Caps groupie that got ignored by Semin? You never enter and leave without saying at least 1 negative thing about Semin. Semin is our 2nd biggest threat. Although I am happy that Flash is putting the puck in the net it is obviuos that he doesn't nearly have the hands that Semin does. Please, just watch how Flash plays and you can tell he's a 20-30 goal scorer not an elite 35 and above goal scorer. Flash might breach 30, but it won't be on a consistent basis during his career. I fully expect him to hit a slump here soon and he'll be on the CI fan trading block too.

Posted by: fanohock1 | November 19, 2009 7:22 AM | Report abuse

I've read this blog with considerable interest. Here are my observations:

Wow a goalie controversy already. I'm proud of you guys, no sense putting things off to the last minute. :)

How anyone can call an NHL player a wuss is beyond me. Believe me Semin has taken his fair share of abuse.

Avery is a punk, end of story. Unless you admire punks there is nothing to admire there. I don't like punks.

tominfl1 is a funny guy, but has fairly good hockey insight. *smile*

Posted by: BetterOffWithFedorov | November 19, 2009 8:23 AM | Report abuse

@jgreif - Boy, am I glad YOU aren't the general manager of this team.

Everybody needs to take a step back and BREATHE. Jeez, people!!!

Posted by: irockthered | November 19, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Here are the Semin comparables, based on age and service time they are close.

Thomas Vanek 7.1 - Semin will ask for this
Jason Spezza 7.0 - has better numbers than Semin
Mike Richards 6.2 for 10 yrs - He has better intangibles, Semin has better numbers
Daniel Sedin 6.1 - check the numbers. A good match
Mike Cammalleri 6.0 - also a good match
Ryan Getzlaf, Corey Perry, Jason Pominville all at 5.3 and all with inferior numbers.

In summary:

The Caps can offer a Daniel Sedin deal of $30.5M over 5 yrs and be happy with themselves. It's what they might put on the table if Semin goes for arbitration. I think if they offer the 6.2 I posted last night, and if the player wants to stay, they should have a deal.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 19, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Can we get an updated. Rumor is Carlson has been called up!

Posted by: ERHDC1 | November 19, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

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