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Video: Jose Theodore wins the Masterton

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  June 23, 2010; 11:28 PM ET
 
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theo is a class act

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | June 23, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely. I'm sure this is an award he'd much rather not have won - given what happened that got him nominated - but he has dealt with so much here in DC. I hope he has success in the future, wherever that is. Seeing how he is only going to be 34 when next season starts, I think he might have a few good years left.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 23, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Class is the right word for Theo boys.
He never once made a stink about anything in his time here.
Some classless fans here tried to make us believe Varly was ready early last season.
Then pin the blame on the defense when Varly couldn't bail us out late.

In between there was Theo & his win streak.
Best wishes Theo, I know you will have a few wins vs. us in the future.

Posted by: Rocc00 | June 23, 2010 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations to Jose on winning he sure deserved it!!

I wish him well too.

Posted by: MM11 | June 24, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse

I forgot to add something...Jose sure looked fine!!! tonight lol. That's one good looking guy.

Posted by: MM11 | June 24, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

@MM11

I agree with your assessment of Theo. He is a very nice looking guy.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 24, 2010 6:28 AM | Report abuse

I recall so many people wanted him to get bought out last year. That would not have been wise.

I had assumed that the person who would be our backup goalie (whether Theo or Varly) would get plenty of work. I doubted that Varly would be ready for 60 games or more. I was right in that regard.

But I also figured the Caps management was more inclined to be thinking about the long run and wanting one of the kids to be #1 for the coming season.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 24, 2010 6:33 AM | Report abuse

he's just another goalie who played for the Caps like dozens of others... Bob Mason did more for the Caps in the playoffs.

Posted by: joek443 | June 24, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

joke, how many other Caps goalies had a season like Theo did this last year? Answer: none.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 24, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Theo played well last year. He had two bad goals in game 2(he played very well in game 1).

He was a well liked veteran presence in the locker room and, from what I hear, he was very helpful acting as a mentor of Varly and Neuvy. Many goalies do not act so kindly to young guys who are going to take their jobs.

It is time for the Caps and Theo to part ways, but he was a class act who never complained, and performed well for the organization.

I'm glad he was a Cap for two years and wish him the best in the future.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 24, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Ollie won a Vezina, so did Jim Carey... Al Jensen/Pat Riggin led the league in GA one year... I'd say those were better regular season performances.

Posted by: joek443 | June 24, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I have nothing but respect for Theo. He has been a class act the whole way. I'm happy for him that he won this award. He gave us two good seasons, and dealt with the rollercoaster ride better than I could ever imagine. I wish him the best of luck from here on out. It's too bad he can't be part of the team anymore, but that's the way it goes.

Posted by: TheDoubleAlex | June 24, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

jensen/riggin, now that was a kicka** combo. Of course, those 2 also had a real defense in front of them. So maybe Theo deserves more accolades now that I think about it. Playing on a team where 2/3 of the defense is either looking to exit your zone with or without the puck and unable to clear the crease is a tough gig! At least for GAA stats.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

hawks dealt colin fraser off too, another gritty guy on the move. He's the poor man's version of Burish so I guess they could afford to deal him. Good abrasive 4th line center. Ironic thing is he kinda took over Boyd Gordon's role at Red Deer. And now they're both 4th line center types in the NHL although Fraser is more of the throwback player.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

and Atlanta picked up Akim Aliu in the deal yesterday? wow, they're really muscling up. Looks like the new direction for the Thrash is to go BIG.

Hope Aliu makes the NHL soon. Can't wait for him and Downie to renew their acquaintainces in the SE division, considering it was a hazing incident inflicted upon Aliu that got Downie kicked off the Windsor team a few yrs ago.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

joke, you do remember what Theo did from Jan. 13 to the end of the season, don't you? As in 20-0-3?

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 24, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

And joke, how many of those above listed Caps goalies were instrumental in getting their team to the President's Trophy? Because if you're talking best regular season, President's Trophy is pretty much the standard.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 24, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Downie sucker punch him to start the ball rolling?

Posted by: Steve_R | June 24, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

only variance being that the old Patrick div was a bit more grueling to play against than the current SE. 30+ games a yr against weak teams is pretty accomodating to a good record.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Atlanta Thrashers = instant competition for SE Division

by the way, HockeyBuzz is saying rights for Volchenkov being seriously pursued by Habs, Pens and Sens. I sure am glad McMoron has so many oars in the water to fill the Caps gaps. NOT

Posted by: doughless | June 24, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Downie blindsided Aliu with a xcheck to the mouth and knocked out his teeth. That's what got the ball rolling. I was hoping we'd draft Aliu since our scouts had talked to him (but about another player on his junior team). Of course, in true Caps fashion we passed up the chance to draft a big nasty power forward who could skate very well for his size. We coulda had Petrecki and Aliu instead of Godfrey and Ruth.

"The OHL's Windsor Spitfires drafted Aliu as their No. 1 pick in the spring of 2005. During the preseason, a bunch of older players were busting the rookies' chops, forcing them to strip and locking them all in the cramped bathroom of the team bus. Standard stuff in junior hockey: Suffer a humiliation in silence, and you're one of the guys. Bova could have told the Spitfires not to bother; Aliu wasn't going to do it. Which didn't go over well with the older players, who were hazed when they first came into the league. It especially didn't go over with Steve Downie, that year's first-round draft pick of the Flyers, a star on the under-20 Canadian national team and 5'10", 189 pounds of nasty.

What occurred at a practice in Windsor three weeks later has been watched 60,000 times on YouTube. Aliu and Downie dropped their gloves. The smaller Downie stayed tight, firing short rights, while Aliu threw hooks wider than a George Foreman Sunday punch. But what the video doesn't show is that prior to the fight, Downie skated up to Aliu during practice and cross-checked the rookie across the face. It doesn't show that Aliu realized he was missing three front teeth only when he left the ice and looked in a locker room mirror. "When I saw that I'd lost my front teeth, I lost it," Aliu says. "I went right back onto the ice. First chance I got, I went after him."

When that story broke and the video -- showing a No. 1 draft pick punching the lights out of a 16-year-old kid -- aired on TSN's SportsCentre, the Spits hit the fan. The front office immediately suspended Downie and Aliu. Both were eventually traded, first Downie to Peterborough, then in January, Aliu to Sudbury. Moe Mantha, an ex-NHLer who was Windsor's coach and GM, was suspended, then fired. Most of the media and insiders took Downie's side; he was Canadian and the Spitfires' sparkplug, and just months later, he led Canada to a world junior championship.

Aliu was made out to be the villain, and the cloud over his head followed him to Sudbury. There were rumors about his having trouble with his billet families, having trouble with teammates, having trouble with his coach. "

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I just like seeing the SE div bulk up. It puts the Caps on their heels as their "finesse-first" mentality will be put to the test against less talented but much more physical teams. And if the Caps can go thru more battles before they get to the playoffs, it either forces the current crop of players to grow a pair, or it forces the GM to address one of his blind spots.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

cstanton, I would disagree. If the Caps weren't so good, at least one other team from the SE would have made the playoffs. The Thrashers, Canes, and Lightning were all within 8 points of a playoff berth - had the Caps been less dominating, at least 1 probably would have made it.

Look at the Caps record against each division - 14-3-3 against the Atlantic, 11-4-5 against the NE, 19-3-2 against the SE. They had the most success against the Atlantic, and the best win percentage against the Atlantic of any team in the East - and the Atlantic was the best division in the East.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 24, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

If the Caps played in the Western conference, how do you think they would've done?

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

seems like everyone has gone on vacation and left the homers here.

Posted by: doughless | June 24, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I"m just saying.. a lot of teams would salivate at the prospect of having Fla, Atl, Car, Tampa to play against. You know, as opposed to say the Pacific div. Or really the entire Western conf aside from a coupla teams like Columbus and Edm.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFMDWuepG7Y

this is the downie-aliu altercation

and here's one involving Flyer players. You can see Derian Hatcher doing a half-azzed job of playing peacemaker while his defensive partner Pitkanen gets clobbered by Fedoruk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu8-SBTUcqY&feature=related

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

seems like everyone has gone on vacation and left the homers here.
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does that include McPhee?

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

McMoron is playin Hold'em in Vegas

Posted by: doughless | June 24, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Let me guess, he's chasing a straight.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Marleau re-signed 4 years for $27.6M

Pavelski re-signed 4 years for $16M

Posted by: sgm3 | June 24, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

good, didn't want either one of em. Same way I was hoping we'd lose Nylander to the Oil. Sometimes you have to save McPhee from himself.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

That's a Phat contract for Marleau!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | June 24, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

with contracts tied up in Boyle, Thornton, Heats and a couple others, it was a tad high to resign Marleau at that price. I think they were rewarding him for actually playing hard this past playoff season as opposed to other years where he's more of a floater when the going gets tough.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

@wtf_e_fehr

I agree. I am a little surprised he got almost $7M/yr for 4 years. But that is what happens when you are one of only two top scoring forwards available (Kovy being the other). He had the bargainning power of being wanted by a good number of teams looking for scoring.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 24, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Damien Cox reports Maple Leafs GM Brian Burke claims he's received "four concrete offers" for defenseman Tomas Kaberle, and expects things to heat up once he's in Los Angeles for the draft. Still, Burke doesn't rule out the possibility of Kaberle returning next season and said the draft weekend isn't a timetable to trade the blueliner. Cox suggests Anaheim, Boston, Vancouver, Tampa Bay, Washington and St. Louis as potential destinations for Kaberle. It's possible Burke could wait until mid-July as there could be a better opportunity then to deal with teams that missed out on addressing blueline needs via free agency.

argh! makes perfect sense. Go get another positional defender who hates contact.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Damien Cox reports Maple Leafs GM Brian Burke claims he's received "four concrete offers" for defenseman Tomas Kaberle, and expects things to heat up once he's in Los Angeles for the draft. Still, Burke doesn't rule out the possibility of Kaberle returning next season and said the draft weekend isn't a timetable to trade the blueliner. Cox suggests Anaheim, Boston, Vancouver, Tampa Bay, Washington and St. Louis as potential destinations for Kaberle. It's possible Burke could wait until mid-July as there could be a better opportunity then to deal with teams that missed out on addressing blueline needs via free agency.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if McIlrath will still be around by pick #26

Posted by: Steve_R | June 24, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

"Atlanta Thrashers = instant competition for SE Division"

They were too easy to play against last couple of years. Forwards could skate around at will without any molestation.

Now that Craig Ramsay is taking over, that should be one of the better defensive teams in hockey. I think Ramsay will prove that you don't need a bunch of allstars on D to put together a sound defensive team even though he had better personnel in Boston. They're going to be a big bruising banging team that takes pride in its defense. Kinda the "anti-Caps".

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if McIlrath will still be around by pick #26
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now what makes you think even if he was that GM would draft him? The kid's a warrior on defense, literally.
He doesn't fit the Caps requirement for skating prowess, thus he's probably not even on our draft depth chart.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

the kid I like is Brad Ross. He's a stronger version of Colby Armstrong. But he's a LWer, not a C or D. Either way, we haven't drafted an abrasive power forward type in a long time so I don't expect that to happen either. We'll get a kid few have heard of and we'll have to go to some Euro site to look up his bio.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

joke, you do remember what Theo did from Jan. 13 to the end of the season, don't you? As in 20-0-3?

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 24, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Hey King of Useless Stats, by any chance are you related to Ron Weber?

and you know what Theo also did for the Caps? go WINLESS in the playoffs.

Posted by: joek443 | June 24, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Would be nice to draft a legit bada@@.

Posted by: Steve_R | June 24, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Would be nice to draft a legit bada@@.

Posted by: Steve_R | June 24, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

and if you draft a few of em over the yrs at least 1 or 2 pan out. When you don't draft any, then none pan out. When you only draft one, and it doesn't pan out, the GM thinks that it was a bad idea to go that route and then abandons that road. He will however spend numerous draft picks trying to find the next finesse skill player.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

He doesn't fit the Caps requirement for skating prowess
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If this actually were a prerequisite, I'd lay off GMGM more - but I'd hardly call Fehr, Schultz, Steckel, Gordon, Bradley etc. (all 1st-rounders or at least high picks, if I'm not mistaken) examples of 'skating prowess.'

Skating explosiveness / power should be one of the prime drafting criteria - but with a couple notable exceptions [OV and Carlson] management seems to place much more stock in height (and geography), almost irrelevant in today's game unless it's combined with brute strength and nastiness [i.e., Erskine].

Posted by: Timbo_1 | June 24, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

If this actually were a prerequisite, I'd lay off GMGM more - but I'd hardly call Fehr, Schultz, Steckel, Gordon, Bradley etc. (all 1st-rounders or at least high picks, if I'm not mistaken) examples of 'skating prowess.'

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Steckel and Bradley were never drafted by us.
Gordon was absolutely selected because he was a good skater. Schultz's skating ability for a man his size was also considered one of his primary assets.

Fehr is the only one who fits your argument on that list.

If you look at our draft picks (from the Owen Fusseys and Jeff Luckys on), McPhee's overriding criteria has been skating prowess and offensively-inclined players.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"Skating explosiveness / power should be one of the prime drafting criteria"

GM is unwilling to sacrifice any kind of offensive potential for more ruggedness. Which is why we showed no interest in drafting a kid like Aliu, and numerous others. McPhee definitely has a specific MO when it comes to the majority of his draft picks and he foregoes other qualities for things like skating and stick skills.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Obviously OV and Carlson aren't the only flyers on the team, Green, Semin, etc. have great bursts as well - but for a supposed 'finesse' team many of the Caps looked pretty slow against MTL, in critical situations.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | June 24, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Are you guys seriously arguing over this again? Aren't joek443's completely "edgy" and asinine comments enough?

Posted by: richmondphil | June 24, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

@Timbo

I still maintain Green could use A LOT of work on his skating. Especially, skating backwards.

Yeah, he's fast. So what? Doesn't make him a world-class skater, as some would allude here.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 24, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

another example of a high pick that showed very little in terms of intangible qualities was Stephen Werner. His ONLY real attribute was his skating and we made him our 2nd pick ahead of kids like Nickerson, Quincey, Bitz, Stortini etc

the other quality it seems we stay away from with very rare exceptions are kids who put up sizable PIMs. We're afraid of drafting that kind of element. That has changed a bit in the later rounds the last 2 yrs w/ SDR and GMitchell but in general you don't see the Caps drafting kids who score 25 goals and put up 150+ PIMs, and certainly not in the top 5 rounds. But those are the kids who have a chance to turn into rugged power fwds who can play on a 2nd line someday.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

but for a supposed 'finesse' team many of the Caps looked pretty slow against MTL, in critical situations.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | June 24, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

the Flyers were never considered to be a "fast" team. They had no issues with Montreal. One of the reasons we looked slow at times is we didn't attack them aggressively enough, cut off angles, etc. If you give a team like the Habs a lot of space, they can definitely turn on the afterburners. They started out of their end with a full head of steam because our forecheck was weak. Compare that to the Flyers forecheck.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I disagree that Schultz's and Gordon's merited 1st-round draft status - in no way does their speed standout at the NHL level. Maybe it did in juniors - but that just speaks to the level of competition; the talent pool for the NHL is much bigger than it used to be, and you simply have to be able to skate. Gordon is strong on the puck, but he'll never be a top-6. Schultz still struggles against elite, quick forwards - and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Btw belated thanks for the Akim Aliu footage, I'd never heard of this kid before but anybody who takes on Steve Downie I will definitely like!

Posted by: Timbo_1 | June 24, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Btw belated thanks for the Akim Aliu footage, I'd never heard of this kid before but anybody who takes on Steve Downie I will definitely like!
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no prob. In Downie's defense, he was a young hothead who took offense that Aliu was trying to escape a ritual that all of them had to previously endure, and he probably felt Aliu was hurting team chemistry that way. But to cheapshot him in the teeth like that, deserved a beating for sure.


"I disagree that Schultz's and Gordon's merited 1st-round draft status"

Gordon wasn't drafted for his size and his grit. He was drafted as a responsible two way hockey player who was a safe pick at the time (i don't believe any of this but this is what the general bio was at the time), and Brent Sutter gave Gordo high marks for being a very safe pick. And since Gordo wasn't a high PIM guy but he put up good offensive #s for a successful WHL team, the Caps took him. I hated the pick at the time because I felt we needed more aggressive players in our system. Not a Gordo type who the Caps mistakenly penned as the next Kono. Ignoring of course that Kono put up goals AND PIMs at the junior level. No comparision style-wise at all. One was gritty, one was not.


Schultz fits McPhee's mold of positional non-aggressive defenders but I remember his draft bio as "good skater, not overly physical".

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Werner's other main attribute was he's from the area, IIRC.

True that the Flyers aren't typically known as a 'fast' team - but guys like Briere, Leino, Gagne, Timonen, Carle [and even Richards, much as I dislike him] can all move - at least in short bursts. As importantly, they pass very well as a team. And much as it pains me to admit it, Pronger's quicker than he looks, and makes great headman passes, which helps the transition immensely as opponents get caught out of position.

And MTL lost their best d-man very early in the Flyers' series, IIRC. Markov's absence made a huge difference on the PP and MTL's transition game.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | June 24, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

lol, i just figured out what iirc meant. I've seen it before but never took the time to figure it out.

Point is, the Flyers by some "experts" are considered a thuggish plodding team. Its not an accurate representation of them but any time a team plays nasty hockey they get tagged as a goon team which implies they don't have any team speed. But a lot of their forechecking couldn't be successful if they were a slow plodding team. If anyone here made a case to go acquire players like Carcillo, Powe, Lappy etc, the response would be "the 80s are over, those players suck, the new NHL would eat those guys up" etc etc.

And I have to think McPhee feels that way too judging by the players he usually drafts or pursues via trade or FA.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil: you might be right, the pivots could probably use some work.

But I guess the organization feels he's such a terrific natural athlete he can get away with being a bit sloppy technically - or, at least he always could, up til now. Weaknesses, even small ones, tend to get exposed against elite players on strong teams.

More of an issue for me is he sometimes seems to lose focus a little bit; the decision-making seems a bit off in stressful situations. Then again, easy for me to say, watching on tv or in the stands.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | June 24, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

@another example of a high pick that showed very little in terms of intangible qualities was Stephen Werner. His ONLY real attribute was his skating and we made him our 2nd pick ahead of kids like Nickerson, Quincey, Bitz, Stortini etc

stephen werner was pretty freakin good, but then again he played high school hockey in this area (i think for BCC). I played on his hockey team when we were like 8 years old, but I played him in high school and I think he scored 8 goals in that game (seriously)

Posted by: _stevo | June 24, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

And it's a fair point about the Flyers' forecheck, my blind spot on that probably goes back to hearing too many coaches preach 'dump and chase', man did I hate playing that way but yes, it can certainly be effective, especially against weaker d-men [good ones will usually just get possession and make a good up-ice pass].

Posted by: Timbo_1 | June 24, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Werner's still 'good', you don't get paid to play pro hockey if you're not talented. I've played with really good players who barely got a look in the 'Coast' [ECHL] but they were still good hockey players.

I think the poster was more referring to how high he went in the draft; when guys like Lidstrom last until the 3rd round [and Zetterberg and Datsyuk the 6th and 7th, respectively] you have to wonder about some of the management / scouting decisions.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | June 24, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

@Timbo_1


i agree. he was probably the best player i have ever played against, but that doesn't mean anything. Maybe a 4th or 5th rounder but i didn't know he went as high as a second rounder

Posted by: _stevo | June 24, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

UFA pickens are starting to get slim. Georgie better be on the phone with Ottawa if he wants Volchenkov. His rights will probably go with the draft being tomorrow.

Marleau resigning probably boosts Semins value significantly. I hope George has heard the phrase "sell high".

Posted by: underpants2 | June 24, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

I remember you bringing up Green's skating earlier and I think you are dead on.

Green is a great forward skater. But his backwards skating and especially his pivots need improving. I think he has improved over the years but he still needs to get better.

I think this is a main reason why it takes defenders longer to reach their peak than forwards. That sort of skating and moving is not natural and seems to be something that takes a lot of work before becoming good at.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 24, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

hope George has heard the phrase "sell high".
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prolly too close to the truth. George sometimes I think holds out for too much and misses out on things. Also, the players he covets may not be the same types of players that you or I would want back in return. I mean, look at what we got back for guys like Kono, Grier, Carter, Zubrus
Players named Novotny, Jonas J, Aulin, Klepis.

Too bad Rick Dudley didn't handle those moves. We wouldn't be sittin here discussing lack of grit or size.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Werner's still 'good', you don't get paid to play pro hockey if you're not talented
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unfortunately it takes a lot more than just some talent to make it as we all know. That's why when you put a slightly higher priority on some intangible qualities, the player has a chance to contribute even if he doesn't skate and shoot like Ovy. We have too many forwards we've drafted who either have to make it on a specific line or they're useless. You can't just move em to a lower line because they're not well-rounded enough to be effective role players if they don't pan out as point producers.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else worried that Pittsburgh will acquire Volchenkov's rights?

Posted by: underpants2 | June 24, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

i think the pens do acquire volchenkov's rights

Posted by: _stevo | June 24, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else worried that Pittsburgh will acquire Volchenkov's rights?

Posted by: underpants2 | June 24, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

not worried, because i don't expect the caps to go after him although mcphee could be doing some doubletalking there. But if the Pens got him, I wouldn't be surprised. He's their type of player. Its a matter of what they have to give up that the Sens may want. After they traded Caputi, their cupboard is a bit bare. Of course they could always trade away picks.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: sgm3 | June 24, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Poile should be raked over the coals for the pathetic return he got on the deal. Ryan Parent is awful. And the Flyers if they can sign Hamhuis show once again how being aggressive (and creative) in FA is not always a bad thing no matter how often Ted/George like to point to failed FA ventures. And if the Flyers can't sign Hamhuis, no big deal. They'll get back a late round pick who they'll probably use to draft some big banger out of the W. And they got to get rid of Ryan Parent at the same time.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I've also wondered how Green would fare with a different d-partner - Mr. Volchenkov, anyone? I know GMGM has publicly at least said nyet on this, but maybe he's just being sly, as others have wondered?

Posted by: Timbo_1

what would McPhee gain by coming out and saying no to AV? Aside from trying to come off like he's so clever about keeping things close to the vest? If he really was interested and didn't want to tip his hand, he should've just given a pat answer like "we will look at all the options in FA to improve our team"

by publicly dismissing interest in AV, I don't see the benefit in this. The player (unless the Caps made illegal contact with him) has already mentally dismissed us as well.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Wolski re-signed in Phoenix for 2 years at $3.8M/yr.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 24, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I think with AV, we need him, and the Pens need him. Keeping him away from Pittsburgh is pretty critical, IMO. The cap went up, we have the money. I think it just makes too much sense. Doesn't it?

Posted by: underpants2 | June 24, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Does GMGM saying no to AV suppress the price? Will other GMs ofer slightly less at that point and keep the asking price at a non-inflated #?

Posted by: jeets | June 24, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

@jeets

It does provide a defense to any possible tampering allegations which may have been forthcoming with all the talk about AV and the Caps in early June. GMGM has a law degree, he knows what needs to be done so he won't be charged with tampering.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 24, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

you won't be charged with tampering if you don't talk to a player. Its pretty simple. Unless there's some real evidence, no one's going to bring it up. At least no one outside a msg board.

jeets, you bring up a possible valid reason for GM to say what he did. It has a chance of keeping the offer sheet prices down that other teams draw up. Although an agent could still lie and crank up the asking price by saying he has offers from other teams for more money. Its a weak reason but at least a possible answer.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

weak reasoning is my specialty!

Posted by: jeets | June 24, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

From an article last year about Toronto possibly tampering with the Sedins:

Recently, each NHL team received stern memos which they had to sign off on, warning them about the league's strict tampering rules. Teams were warned the rules didn't just apply to GMs; they covered every employee and representative. Breaches were going to be dealt with severely. Under NHL bylaw 15, organizational employees are not permitted to express interest in any player belonging to another NHL club.

The bylaw states tampering to be: "The making or causing to be made through any medium, public or private, any statement indicating any intention or desire of or interest in acquiring the services (of a player on another club)."

Posted by: sgm3 | June 24, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I hadn't even thought about AV going to Pitt. Great, just what we need, Malkin getting a security blanket [kinda like Feds had in DET with Konstantinov before the tragic limo crash]. Afterwards Federov still had a terrific career, of course [better playoff PPG avg than EVEN Stevie Y], but he was never quite the same game-breaker in crucial moments as when he knew Vladdy was right behind, no matter what.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | June 24, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Philly and Hamhuis aren't close to a deal yet? It would be nice if Philly couldn't sign him and he went back on the free agent market. Of course, to sign him, they might have to let Coburn go.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 24, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

As good as some of Philly's deadline and postseason acquisitions have been [Leino esp., but also Hamhuis for Parent, total steal] I'm banking on the fact that they'll do what they always do in goal, and once again get some joker who'll they'll try and transform into a #1. Although Holmgren does seem a fair bit smarter than Bobby Clarke, you'd have to say...

Posted by: Timbo_1 | June 24, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Holmgren's the man. Transformed a team that was headed into the toilet to a team that went to the Finals in less than 3 yrs. Pretty impressive. Look at the additions Holmgren made in 2+ yrs

Briere
Hartnell
Timmonen
Coburn
Pronger
Powe
Asham
Carcillo
Lappy
JVR
Betts
Carle

he pretty much added everyone important to that roster except for Richards, Gagne, and Carter. And I think he played a part in drafting Giroux as well. And each player on that list is pretty damn gritty (except Carle). Even Timmonen and Briere play kind of an edgy style. Can you imagine McPhee ever making the same moves to get those types of players?

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

if you look at the Flyers roster, most fans here would probably think they have an overabundance of grit and not enough skill. Well, I'd take that balance over the balance we currently have any day of the week. Proof is in the puddin'

we have prolly twice the skill and half the grit.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

i think the start of the Philly turnaround was the deals for Coburn, Hartnell, and Timmonen. Similar to the Kings trading for Greene and Stoll. Imprint players.

Only real miscalculation made by Holmgren seems to be the Eminger trade. And the Flyers' general difficulty in drafting defensemen. They have no homegrown defensive talent. And some monetary mistake involving Randy Jones.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Briere is a sawed off nut spearing d-bag. He did play big in the playoffs though...

Holmgren also put them into such tight $$ restraints with bad contracts and no movement clauses that they were stuck with no ability to improve their goaltending.

How many of those players were actually drafted by the Flyers? Yup, he's the man.

Posted by: Steve_R | June 24, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

How many of those players were actually drafted by the Flyers? Yup, he's the man.

Posted by: Steve_R | June 24, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

does it matter HOW they were acquired? besides the salary implications? he took a team that 3 yrs ago looked like it was 10 yrs away from the playoffs, and he put them into the playoffs 3 straight yrs with a Finals experience.

Of course he's the man. Getting Coburn was the biggest steal. Drafting JVR was a great move. Picking up role players like Asham and Powe also great moves. Getting Lappy, great move. Picking up soon-to-be free agents like Hartnell/Timmonen/Hamhuis = more great moves.

I don't even have to address the Pronger trade which could've easily gone either way. Its very hard to transform a team quickly by significantly upgrading their skill level. That takes a lot of time. To do it the way Holmgren did it was very creative.

yep, he's the man.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Malkin getting a security blanket [kinda like Feds had in DET with Konstantinov
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good obs

Vlad was a beast. Loved the way he took out the Flyers one by one in the Finals. I think Detroit kinda remembered the impact he had when they added Kronwall and Stuart to their blueline. Say what you will about Lidstrom and there's no denying his importance, but having guys who can actually punish the opposition is also a critical component. You have to something fierce to impede the flow of another team's offensive rush. More than just a poke check.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3:

Given what you said about "every employee and representative", I worry about whether the casual conversations that have supposedly taken place between Ovie and Volchenkov could be construed as "tampering"...

Posted by: Rhino40 | June 24, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Feels like everyone is rumored to be making substantial moves and our name is not mentioned once...i hope they don't think this team is ready for the next step without acquiring some real veterans...that's been the philosophy and obviously it hasn't worked.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | June 24, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

chicago was a pretty young team i think. I think it goes deeper than just having veterans. McPhee has signed Nyles, Pothier, Poti as FAs. I would rather see a different type of veteran. Someone closer to a Knuble signing.

And of course, a shift in philosophy. It doesn't have to be a major shift either.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 24, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

@Rhino40

I think that the situation you mentioned would qualify as tampering. It would be tough to prove but these things do not need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm sure the league lets some things slide that go on with interactions between players on different teams, but the Ovie/AV talking gained a lot of media attention. That's why I think the organization came out and specifically said it was not interested in signing AV.

So even if Ovie did say something in early June, the organization then took the necessary steps to mitigate the possible tampering. This could then result in no tampering charges or at least a smaller penalty if they found there was tampering. A team putting forth a good faith effort to say it was not interested in a pending UFA would hold a good amount of weight.

This clearly does not mean they will sign AV, but it is planning ahead to lessen the chances of the team being penalized if the Caps do sign AV.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 24, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: lylewimbledon | June 24, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Ah, I'm fine with us not getting Buff, someone's going to overpay [probably significantly] for him. I know he scored some biggies but he also disappeared for shifts at a time. CHI wouldn't have let him go if they thought he was irreplaceable.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | June 24, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

cstanton,

Have to disagree with you. Flyers have short term gaims but where will they be in a couple of years? Overpaying for more UFA's because their farm system is bare?

Posted by: Steve_R | June 24, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: sgm3 | June 24, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Chris Bourque to the khl?

Posted by: digster1013 | June 24, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Bourque to the KHL, why not. Good money, tax free, play 2-3 years there and get more money/experience than Hershey or 3/4 line duty would bring.

Also what are thoughts on Mike Ribeiro coming to DC via trade if Dallas is looking to dump him. He's 30, has 3 years left at 5mil each.

Posted by: flee001 | June 24, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

@flee001

$5M/yr for 3 more years is a little pricey and would likely prevent the Caps from signing a top end D-man. But if they can sign Michalek for something reasonable then it could be a decent deal.

I personally would prefer Weiss because of age and contract size, but I definitely think Ribeiro is an option.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 24, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

What a class act Theo is. I think the Capitals will miss him. He got off to a rough playoff start, BB pulled him. All this after the fantastic SEASON he had. I don`t get it. What was the coach thinking. Would they of beaten the Canadiens had Theo been given another chance? I think if a team like the Flyers or Sharks sign him. A team that plays defense in front of him, he can still be a Stanley Cup winning goalie. Great job Jose, you deserve better. Good Luck!!!

Posted by: dshieldsy | June 24, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

In non-Caps related news, the NHL Board of Governors passed the new rule about hits to the head, so it is now official. A lateral, blindside hit to the head (now now as "illegal check to the head") is a 5 minute major with game misconduct.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 24, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Among the many issues which appeared in teh playoffs, goaltending was certainly not one of them. I felt bad for Theo, he definitely is a great person and a very classy individual, but Varly is hands-down a better pressure goalie and his teammates play better in front of him - and he should only get better. That said, I wish Theo and his family all the best, and thank him for his dedicated service.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | June 25, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

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