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Video (Kind Of): Mike Wise on Brashear

Due to some inexplicable technical difficulties, Mike Wise's latest video is more of an audio. Regardless, today Mike takes issue with the NHL's six-game suspension of Caps enforcer Donald Brashear.

Watch/listen and record your response. We'll excerpt our favorites in the paper this week.

And this is what Mike said after the video software rudely cut him off: ". . . and about 12 video responses. So keep them coming."

By Lindsay Applebaum  |  April 27, 2009; 8:07 PM ET
 
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Comments

Can I mention how lame this video posting is?

Posted by: TCJR2000 | April 27, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

No, you may not. :)

Posted by: Lindsay_Applebaum | April 27, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

LINDSAY--

The report abuse button does not work, and I know you poster you email here the other day to report abuse directly to you...

Its been a busy day, lots of posts...but a few posts ago, there was a comment that I personally think really crosses the line:

Too bad APE MAN wont be in the lineup when DEVS sweep THE CRAPS!!!!

Posted by: azzy60 | April 27, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse


I think that is completely racist and derogatory, and that filth should really be cleaned up on this board (you guys generally do a great job otherwise!!!)

Thanks!

Go Caps!

Posted by: The_Stanley_Caps | April 27, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

meant to say posted not poster...

Posted by: The_Stanley_Caps | April 27, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Mike, apparentyl us homers in DC are the only ones who think it's excessive. Listening to XM all day, they all think it's right on, that poor Betts was leaving the ice, and that Brash should have had more.

Posted by: Leeguru | April 27, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Torts threw the bottle in the stands on purpose.

He is smarter then that...He felt the series was slipping away, the players were tuning him out, and he had to do something to get the organization fired up.

He failed...He doesnt want to talk about it, because they lost last game...Had they won, he would of been all apologies, and ready for the next round...

Now it's time to drive him into the ground, and make him suffer all summer for his stupid coaching and idiot move on the bench.

Posted by: SA-Town | April 27, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

LINDSAY--

The report abuse button does not work, and I know you poster you email here the other day to report abuse directly to you...

Its been a busy day, lots of posts...but a few posts ago, there was a comment that I personally think really crosses the line:

Too bad APE MAN wont be in the lineup when DEVS sweep THE CRAPS!!!!

Posted by: azzy60 | April 27, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse


I think that is completely racist and derogatory, and that filth should really be cleaned up on this board (you guys generally do a great job otherwise!!!)

Thanks!

Go Caps!

Posted by: The_Stanley_Caps | April 27, 2009 8:20 PM |

I wholeheartedly agree, you have to get this person off the board

Posted by: apollak8 | April 27, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Pretty much everyone agrees it was a late hit and even on the cheap side since Betts was going off the ice and there was really no reason to unload on the guy at that point. Brash took advantage of Betts being in a compromising situation.

I can understand the frustration on the Rags side, they got their a@@es kicked two games in a row and are on the verge of blowing a 3-1 lead. They already hate Sather and the high priced talent (if you can call it that) he brought in. Now their "King" is being chased out of games when it looked like he was the only thing keeping them together. This was the last straw so they're taking it out on this situation. I don't expect them to come here and be rational about it.

Having said all that 6 games was too much in my opinion.

Posted by: Moose33 | April 27, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

@oo7

No I agree with you, I just did a bad job of pointing out that is what I thought the league was looking at in my opinion when they handed this down. Regardless of how a hit follows or doesn't follow the rules, if a guy gets injured like that they will have a knee jerk reaction to it, 100% lock. It wasn't an intentional hit to the head, but they needed a poster boy to send a message about this and they've been waiting to do it since all the talk about banning hits to the head started earlier in the season.

Drury's schedule for Wednesday

10am - Attend Leadership Seminar on the 9th Tee with Mike Richards.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | April 27, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

De-lurking to say that I have a ticket available for tomorrow night, courtesy of my seatmate deciding work was more important than hockey. Section 117, eight rows back.

Anyone interested, or know anyone who is? It's going to be one helluva game, and I have no doubt the Caps will come out in force to win one (of an eventual six) for Brash.

Posted by: jlrpuck | April 27, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

@The_Stanley_Caps: I'm out and don't have access from my phone, but someone in the office is looking into it and will remove the post ASAP, if he hasn't already. Thanks so much for letting us know.

Posted by: Lindsay Applebaum | April 27, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Lindsay. Ban the idiot too.

I guess I'm a total homer, cause I don't see 5 games in that hit.

Posted by: Sonyask | April 27, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

is this the first stupid penalty that brash has taken? Hopefully we can sign a slightly smarter cheaper enforcer for next year

Posted by: wendel2 | April 27, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

how many games did Lucic get for his cross check to the face? 1 game right?

Posted by: apollak8 | April 27, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

good call, stanley caps, If i had seen that I would have reproted it as well. Though I would have pressed the non-functioning button
: )

Dave, gotcha, same page. The schedule made me chuckle.


Posted by: oo7 | April 27, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

how many games did Lucic get for his cross check to the face? 1 game right?

Posted by: apollak8 | April 27, 2009 8:52 PM

Right, for a cross check to the face. Was that game on NBC, Campbell?

Posted by: oo7 | April 27, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention it was after the play. There seems to be no logic to the suspension no matter how I think about it

Posted by: apollak8 | April 27, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Lindsay! I really do appreciate that. I know its been a rough day for most on here with all the tension, but blatant racism should never be tolerated. Especially not in such a public forum. I would like to also second Sonyask's request to have that uses banned from these boards. Not only was that a racial slur he/she used, but he/she seems to only be on here to troll the site on top.

Thank you once again, I really do appreciate your hard work (as well as everyone working on this blog/post!).

I really hope for a win tomorrow, if for nothing more than to lift everyone's moods.


GO CAPS!

Posted by: The_Stanley_Caps | April 27, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

since Brash is suspended for the next few games, can we let him sit in the front row behind the Rangers Bench?????

Posted by: Capsfannmiss | April 27, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Oh i am thinking there will be some good signs at the game tomorrow...."Hey Dubie bite this"........"Hey Stahl hit em with your purse next time"

Posted by: Capsfannmiss | April 27, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skins1110 | April 27, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Mike, Avery didn't get a game for punching Varlamov in the face. Torts benched him, and it wasn't even the following game, it took a butt end to Jurcina's face and a slash to Pothier's face. But neither of those warranted suspension in the NHL's eyes.

Also, if Green leaves the game after Dubinsky's hit from behind, Dubinsky gets a game for that.

The NHL is way too caught up in the punishment matching the extent of the injury.

Posted by: cstoneno37 | April 27, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Mike Wise is absolutely right, its clear to see that the NHL is penalizing Brash so hard becase

-it was on film
-the player was injured
-the Rangers cried to the press.

Posted by: breaklance | April 27, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Drury's schedule for Wednesday

10am - Attend Leadership Seminar on the 9th Tee with Mike Richards.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | April 27, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Finally, something on these boards today that made me smile :)

Don't you think that Drury should stay clear from the golf course for a while though, and give his hand a chance to heal....I mean, he will have 4+ months to play golf, so ease his way into it at least.

Hmmm...Maybe he and Brashear could go for drinks or something, since the both would have a little time to spare...

GO CAPS!

Posted by: The_Stanley_Caps | April 27, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Mike,

Avery did NOT get suspended because of his punch to Varlamov's head. He played the very next game. He sat out 2 games later, but it was because Tortorella benched him for getting those stupid penalties.

The league has not taken action on any Rangers player, only the coach Tortorella. I find that fairly un-balanced with what Brashear got.

Posted by: sargeantmofo | April 27, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

the player skated at lucuic and he hit him with the glove then stick brash went out of his way to hurt the player

Posted by: wendel2 | April 27, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

I want the NHL & maybe Ted Leonis to explain this rational to us.

The league wants to cut down on headshots to players head so Coiln Campbell gives Brash a "5" game suspension. If fact his comment is "Brashear delivered a shoulder hit to an unsuspecting player."

Okay.

The game before, Game 5, Torts dishes out his own head shot - to an innocent fan - by chucking a water bottle at her. He gets a "1" game suspension.

I guess the NHL feels their players are more important than their fans.

Where's the consistency?

Posted by: puckman | April 27, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Not only was the fan innocent but she was unsuspecting as well!!!

Posted by: puckman | April 27, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

the player skated at lucuic and he hit him with the glove then stick brash went out of his way to hurt the player

Posted by: wendel2

Oh, i didn't realize he meant the cross check to the head nicely. So you're saying someteimes its ok to target teh head, wendel2? Its starting to sound like you're just promoting an agenda. If you want the enforcer out of hockey, thats fine, I respect youre opinion at the same time that I disagree with it (it has merits, but its also flawed). However, you're condoning and excusing it in one instance and crying foul in another.


Posted by: oo7 | April 27, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Any chance they will let Brash sit in the Rangers penalty box tomorrow night. Maybe he could sneak in dressed up like an official and carrying a clipboard.

Posted by: AleksanderOMunchkin | April 27, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for posting this story Skins

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/04/the_bearded_caps_fan_in_the_wh.html

Great piece on the guy in the white tee shirt.

Posted by: Sonyask | April 27, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

azzy60 is beyond obnoxious. I think he's worse than StanleyCup1907. Rags fans and now a Devils fan?

Devils sweep the "Craps?" Righttttt...

Posted by: rachel216 | April 27, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

The Brash hit was bad, and it's cheap/dirtyness is debatable. What's not debatable is that there have been several similar hits this game.

-Orr clotheslining Semin
-Avery's spinning backfist, Avery punching Varly in the Face
-Duby boarding Mike Green

etc...

The issue is consistency. The NHL is reacting to the fact that Betts got injured, not the hit itself.

It's a bad precedent to set.

Posted by: VTDuffman | April 27, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

I appreciate this Devil's fan belief in our team after our Game 6 performance that we will go on to win Game 7.

My question is if that was the basis for his belief we'll get through he better worry about his own team making it out of the first round. That 4-0 "we got our bells rocked" game last night certainly makes me feel like Carolina has the mo' in that series.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | April 27, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

@The_Stanley_Caps

Now what? Can you report to take out your own post?

Posted by: CodePoetry | April 27, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Brash got 5 for his reputation. The hit was clean and not late even by regular season standards. But these are playoffs!

If he would cross check him or hit him with the elbow, that's another story. Double standard all over again.

Posted by: CodePoetry | April 27, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone see Hockey Central on Versus tonight? Did anyone see Walkers busted finger?
THAT is one tough hombre.


Posted by: oo7 | April 27, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

i ignore all things mike wise when it comes to hockey, video included. i will say sally's article today was spot on.

Posted by: whateva1 | April 27, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

@The_Stanley_Caps

Now what? Can you report to take out your own post?

Posted by: CodePoetry | April 27, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse


I am sorry, I am not sure what you mean. Did I say anything to offend you?

Posted by: The_Stanley_Caps | April 27, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

After watching the hit a couple of times, I think it looked worse because Brashear lifted his arm at the end, so it appears like an elbow hit when in fact Brash led with his shoulder.

That being said, I expected a suspension of some kind because the hit looked so viscious...but the punishment that the league doled out is indicative of all that is wrong in officiating and discipline in all of sports and leagues.

That is: We've gotten it wrong 100 times before, so we punish the 101st guy for all the times we missed.

Posted by: benz9 | April 27, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Seriously - what the heck is Mike Wise doing reporting on the Caps. Without a doubt, he is at best a horrible reporter that knows NOTHING about hockey, and at worst he is a total HACK,

Please, Tarik, tell your bosses to let you - and maybe Dan - do the coverage. Let Wise go back to his PC bull&^%# about how the Redskins need to change their name.

Posted by: Snowdog | April 27, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

I just had a conversation with a rangers fan coworker; we agreed not to talk till the end of the series, because he talks too much smack and I can only take so much, but the suspension today and biting incident riled him up. he had three major points:

1) caps fans went over board in their treatment of torts.
2) he thinks caps fans are too happy about a bad injury.
3) he thinks that Dubinsky must be telling the truth because why would anyone make that up?

So, said that 1) yes, it sounds like a number of very offensive things were uttered and a line was crossed. Fair? 2) We aren't happy about a broken orbital bone, and dont condone injuring people on purpose; if thats what happened, I wouldn't condone it and I don't think many would, unless it was avery at this point. ( he didn't find it funny, and I wasn't kidding). Fair? 3) I asked him when in his life had he ever seen a bite that left no teeth marks and didn't look like a bite? Not a single shot of this happening. I suggested having a forensic specialist look at it rather than by media. Fair?

He seemed to think these issues gave NY the momentum. I agreed, I said; 9 goals in 4 periods definetly gives ny the momentum, as does losing their best pk guy.

My answer was that no, I'm not happy

Posted by: oo7 | April 27, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

... hit submit too fast. anyway, not happy with the suspension but ce la vie. the series moves on. As a fan, I understand the suspension but not the length. regardless, game 7 is upon us and it's in DC. I'm happy with that at least.

Posted by: oo7 | April 27, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

007, tell you're coworker:
1- has he ever been to msg? does he have a fully function auditory system?
2 - nobody's happy about betts injury which, if you watch the replay, happened when he hit the ice, not by brash shoulder. regardless, if ranger fans are so concerned about injuries, why do they throw coins on the ice?
3 - gee, i dont know. maybe to get an edge or get a caps dman suspended. or, more likely, he was in a scrum and has no idea what happened and is just guessing its morrison. ask him why duby felt it was ok to hit our man from behind into the boards.

you were right, lots of momentum getting punked two games in a row and having your goalie getting pulled in two straight games.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | April 27, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

> am sorry, I am not sure what you mean. Did I say anything to offend you?

No, what I mean is that you've pasted the offensive post in your post for everyone to read. It needs to be deleted as well.

Posted by: CodePoetry | April 27, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

> it appears like an elbow hit

Even Torts said it was not an elbow.

Said Rangers coach John Tortorella, "It wasn't an elbow, but it was high and it was late."

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/ny-spcaps2812703907apr27,0,4645081.story?track=rss

"but it was high"... Did Brash jumped, left his feet? No. It wasn't late either by playoff standards.

Posted by: CodePoetry | April 27, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, I thought about that afterward actually. I was not sure how else to go about that complaint, but felt my words regarding that comment would at least hopefully set an example....but yeah, perhaps if the other post has been deleted, mine should as well!

Ok, I just wanted to make sure I did not say anything to offend anyone.

GO CAPS!

Posted by: The_Stanley_Caps | April 27, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

so, what will the Rangers complain about tomorrow? Little Nicky looked at them funny? Semin is placing Russian folk curses on them? Swine flu was started by Uncle Ted and GMGM? That the Caps never should have been allowed to switch goalies? Poor King got his feelings hurt in getting yanked in consecutive games?

Posted by: RedBirdie | April 27, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Tortorella potential injured a fan and acts like a crazy person by waving sticks at fans for heckling and Brash gets six games for push in pregame skate and a LEGAL hit. Let me say that again LEGAL hit! If you dont think the hit was legal go back and watch the game b/c there were other hits that were just a late and just as hard. Only reason a big deal is being made is b/c its Donald Brashear and the guy got hurt. Brash didnt break the guys face the ice did. So Brash gets six games then Torts should have gotten ten.

Posted by: krig84 | April 27, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Wise, you're a homer, case closed

as for the coins on the ice, i have season tickets and have never in my life before this series heard about that happening at MSG, and in fact still haven't heard any media outlets report it even though its stated in these boards as if its the gospel. If it did happen, then I'm sure it was one drunk idiot who has problems greater than being drunk at a hockey game. So when you use the word "they" as if throwing coins on the ice is a ritual passed down from generation to generation of Rangers fan, then I'm going to have to think that every Caps fan must be like the trashy drunk dude that was heckling Torts all night in Game 5. I mean, they (Caps fans) yell homophobic remarks in front of children and spit on opposing coaches and trainers. Fair?

Posted by: JK111 | April 27, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

big of you Stanley caps, not wanting to offend anyone. I hope Caplanta saw my appreciative responses last night, too. I'm nominating you two for fan lady bing's : )

Posted by: oo7 | April 27, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

"I discipline you because I love you" - Torts

Had Torts not suspended Avery for being too "Avery-like," he wouldn't have been so embarrassed about the water-bottle incident. Add to that the league's overreaction by suspending a coach for a playoff game, before an investigation. Embarassed and angry, Torts and GM Glen Sather draft a letter to Gary basically accusing the Caps organization of acting recklessly for its "knowing failure" to protect the Ranger's bench--very serious accusations. The letter, whether inflammatory or accurate, just seems to come off a little whiny(its physical description of the fan and the security guard seems out of place in such a "serious" document). Despite that, the argument carries weight. Now, when Betts' orbital bone is fractured, the league has to consider Sather's letter, Brashear's warm-up antics, the knowledge that it probably acted impulsively by suspending Torts(the sixth, not the first, which might be slightly more palatable), not to mention that an actual injury occured. With these factors, it was unlikely that Donald wouldn't get atleast a game for the hit. But why 6? It was a late hit, but not even two seconds(or strides). So why such a harsh suspension? In the end, the result can't be reasoned. The Caps fans' only consolation is the comment by Colin Campbell(disciplinarian): "Brashear delivered a shoulder hit to an unsuspecting player. It is also my opinion that the hit was delivered late and targeted the head of his opponent, causing significant injury."

It was late.
It's hardly clear that it was "targeted"
A shoulder hit is legal.
Unsuspecting players get hit a lot.
And they usually do get hurt.

But, I'm pretty sure Campbell knows that. Maybe if Torts hadn't disciplined Avery, we could have avoided this.

Cheers!

Posted by: point-by-point | April 27, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

@JK111

check up on your facts, sorry your argument is baseless

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/04/the_bearded_caps_fan_in_the_wh.html

btw, chicago is stomping the flames..i really don't like those hawks

Posted by: apollak8 | April 27, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

he seems like quite a patriot apollak...go yell some more homophobic remarks, i'll keep throwing coins at the ice

Posted by: JK111 | April 27, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

jk111, follow the link in the posts above and read the story about the fan your talking of. someone actually followed the lead and got a story about it. As for coins, I dunno, but they sure as he'll threw pieces from their glow sticks game 3. Even the announcers commented on the dangers that posed.

Posted by: oo7 | April 27, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

apollak8, I can hardly stand to watch the 'Hawks-Flames games because of McGuire. I feel brain cells dying every time he says something.

Posted by: RedBirdie | April 27, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

@JK111: I agree. Although I have been shocked at MSG, I would have been equally shocked and disgusted to have been sitting next to those punks at Verizon during Game 5. I am wondering why no one around said anything? Perhaps they, like me, were glued to the game.

Posted by: SarahKate | April 27, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Well let's see what types of shenanigans NY will try to pull tomorrow. What kind of self-destruction.

As long as the Caps dump them.

They (NY Rangers and their fans) seems like a bunch of whining, complaining, hypocrites. They say our guys (and fans) behave badly. Granted, some of them do, but I've seen plenty of bad behaving fans at NY sporting events in my life.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | April 27, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Calgary just can't get a bounce tonight.

Posted by: oo7 | April 27, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: puckman | April 27, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

ok, so fine, it wasn't the old dude, it was the younger fans sitting nearby, my mistake

and i'm sure when he leaned in to calmly call Torts a pu##y, he was on his best behavior and said it nicely and calmly

Posted by: JK111 | April 27, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

he seems like quite a patriot apollak...go yell some more homophobic remarks, i'll keep throwing coins at the ice

Posted by: JK111 | April 27, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

while I'm not happy to hear that, according to Steinberg's report, that 3 guys were yelling homophobic things at the Rangers' bench, I assure you that the vast majority of people at the Verizon Center do not engage in such things.

Furthermore, the Verizon Center and Capitals haven't been the subject of a major newspaper article in which gay fans find the homophobic and anti-gay atmosphere in the arena so pervasive that they are uncomfortable to the point of no longer attending games.

So, please, take your accusations of widespread homophobia back to where they belong: MSG and the upstanding fans of Rangers hockey.

Posted by: RedBirdie | April 27, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

as for the coins on the ice, i have season tickets and have never in my life before this series heard about that happening at MSG, and in fact still haven't heard any media outlets report it even though its stated in these boards as if its the gospel. If it did happen, then I'm sure it was one drunk idiot who has problems greater than being drunk at a hockey game....

Posted by: JK111 | April 27, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

JK111, I watched the game on TV, and heard the in-house announcers ask the fans to please refrain from throwing anything on the ice. Now, not being there, I can't vouch for what was thrown, but for the in-house guys to have to say it over the PA system, clearly something was being thrown and by more than one person.

Posted by: BlondeCapsFan | April 27, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

dcsportsfan, by the way, he said green turned his back and that it was his fault. That was when I pulled the plug on the conversation. Dude was trying to sell that, but only half heartedly. It's tough to have conversations with the guy.

Posted by: oo7 | April 27, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

big of you Stanley caps, not wanting to offend anyone. I hope Caplanta saw my appreciative responses last night, too. I'm nominating you two for fan lady bing's : )

Posted by: oo7 | April 27, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse


Well, thank you. I am honored to be nominated for the fan lady bing award. However, its the playoffs, and this is a team game. Personal accolades aside, I now have my eyes on the big prize, Lord Stanley's Cup (hence my name, although with the Caps instead, because I would love to see their names on it!!!)

:)

Go Caps!

Posted by: The_Stanley_Caps | April 27, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

@RedBirdie

I've learned to kinda tune out announcers whose styles I don't like because I've come to terms with the fact that we have the best announcers in the league so all others will of course pale in comparison :)

Posted by: apollak8 | April 27, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

sarahkate, thanks. It annoys me that people on this board (and only this board it seems) seem to believe that Rangers fans regularly shower the ice with this crap. With the stories going on this week about these folks at the games in DC, i think the people on this board should be very careful about perpetuating stereotypes about fan bases lest they risk having some pretty nasty stereotypes started about them based upon the recent media reports. And for the record, I seem to remember some bottles of beer being thrown at the Flyers last year so bad fan behavior doesn't seem to an isolated occurrence there

Posted by: JK111 | April 27, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

@apollak8,

strangely, I can totally do that with Jon Miller when it comes to baseball (and it doesn't matter if its ESPN Sunday night national TV, or listening to the Orioles on the radio), but I think its because despite the yammering stupidity, he has that glorious baritone, that, as long as one doesn't actually listen to what he is saying, is wonderful to have in the background. McGuire is just a whinny airhead (hey, kinda like the Rangers!) with no redeeming value.

Posted by: RedBirdie | April 27, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

if you're watching the Calgary game and just saw the highlights on vs during intermission, Bertuzzis hit was a targeted head shot and elbow to boot.

Getzlaf and Thornton fought right off the bat tonight! These teams don't mind fighting in the playoffs.

Posted by: oo7 | April 27, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

blondecapsfan, i was at the game, the announcement was for those stupid thundersticks, which while they shouldn't have been thrown, they were inflatable plastic things that wouldn't hurt you if someone dropped them off a building onto you

I didn't even blow mine up

And Redbirdie, I seem to have struck a nerve with you. Now you may understand why I might get annoyed when people insult NY fans in the same manner

Posted by: JK111 | April 27, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

This just in...profanity and insensitive comments are yelled by fans at hockey games.

Really?

I'll never sit here and claim that sort of stuff is a good thing, but it's also not a shock I would hope. Also it's bad enough if you (a player or a coach) could be goaded verbally into something by a member of the opposing team...for a FAN to be able to set you off that bad I'd have to think you were on the edge anyways.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | April 27, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

just a short anti-video rant:

I know consultants and such are all into this web 2.0 stuff like video. but i have to say, it's kind of stupid. i have no desire to see and hear mike wise say something instead of just reading it. videos like this really dont add value or hits. id gladly read a transript of what he said but im not gonna click on a video (unless it has music or is a highlight of a play or incident).

Posted by: PindarPushkin | April 27, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Bertuzzi never should have been let back in hockey. He's just barely less of an insult to the game than McSorely.

Posted by: RedBirdie | April 27, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Whats the deal with Betts? Whats his condition? Is he done? He certainly looked like he thought he was at Rockafeller Center and not MSG.

Posted by: bhound69 | April 27, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

everytime vs promotes the rangers caps series, they use that "Rangers ate going to the cup" sound bite. it's getting on my nerves.

Posted by: oo7 | April 27, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

bhound69, he has a broken orbital bone (essentially the bone that houses the eye socket). He is gone for the entire playoffs

Posted by: JK111 | April 27, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Thx JK! That sucks. Didn't realize it was that serious.

Posted by: bhound69 | April 27, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

...and bertuzzi scores...funny how that works..

Posted by: The_Stanley_Caps | April 27, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Funny Bertuzzi just scored

Posted by: bhound69 | April 27, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

@JK

The rangers after goal celebratory song is absolutely, for lack of a better word (and I generally don't ever use this word), RETARDED. It is the bane of my existence. The fact that Rangers fans embraced Sean Avery automatically means they have forfeited any right for respect.

Posted by: apollak8 | April 27, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

blondecapsfan, i was at the game, the announcement was for those stupid thundersticks, which while they shouldn't have been thrown, they were inflatable plastic things that wouldn't hurt you if someone dropped them off a building onto you

I didn't even blow mine up

And Redbirdie, I seem to have struck a nerve with you. Now you may understand why I might get annoyed when people insult NY fans in the same manner

Posted by: JK111 | April 27, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

You strike a nerve with me because I reached my stupidity quota for the day a long time ago. Again, you apparently have little regard for the facts. Contained within the thundersticks were small but still quite hard blue lights.

(these are identical to the ones the Capitals handed out at the home opener in 2007, so I'm quite familiar with them)

It's easy to get these lighted cubs out of the thundersticks, and they make nice little projectiles. Not only are they made of hard plastic, posing a danger, they are cubes, so they have nice sharp and pointy edges. People were not throwing the thundersticks--which are difficult to throw by virtue of being inflated--but the lighted cubes contained inside.

How you missed this, being at the game, is quite beyond me. Either you are deliberately skewing the truth, or simply can't keep your facts straight.

Posted by: RedBirdie | April 27, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

bhound69, he also suffered a concussion on the play

Posted by: JK111 | April 27, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

gotta love that nearside goal

Posted by: apollak8 | April 27, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

bertuzzi, go figure, 3-1 a minute into the 3rd.

Posted by: oo7 | April 27, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

"he has a broken orbital bone (essentially the bone that houses the eye socket). He is gone for the entire playoffs"

I really hope that he has a speedy and full recovery, that sounds pretty serious. Someone mentioned earlier that he may have a concussion as well, any news on that???

Posted by: The_Stanley_Caps | April 27, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

@apollak8

In NYR defense, we had to embrace Craig Berube for more than one season. i spent mant a night at the ole Cap Centre cursing his existence when he played for Philly. So they sorta have to embrace him. Too bad for them. hahaha

Posted by: bhound69 | April 27, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

just out of curiosity, can anyone confirm which side the break occurred on?

Posted by: RedBirdie | April 27, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

oh, no, no one has to embrace anyone. I never embraced Jagr. I fact, I cursed Ted and GMGM for a good many years over that one. I'm pretty sure they could hear me screaming from halfway across the country when the trade was announced! ugh, the longest 3 years of my life!

Posted by: RedBirdie | April 27, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

@stanley

I'm pretty sure on the concussion, that type of injury. usally go hand in hand. You would think.

Posted by: bhound69 | April 27, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Calgary scoring on the first minute bodes well for them, eh? now it's a whole period of the worst lead in hockey.

Posted by: oo7 | April 27, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

@bhound69

I really don't know what I would do if the Caps had gotten Avery... I guess I would have embraced him too? but as soon as he did any shenanigans I would have a serious dilemma on my hands between the team that I love and a player on that team that I loathe

Posted by: apollak8 | April 27, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

I would be more surprised if he didn't have a concussion.

Posted by: RedBirdie | April 27, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

redbirdie, maybe people separated them down in DC and threw them but I didn't see any of that at MSG. I did see the thundersticks being thrown, and as I said in my previous post, they don't go very far but i did see a couple make it onto the ice. I'd imagine if people were throwing "sharp" and "pointy edged" projectiles at players, it would have been picked up by some media outlet.

And please don't question my integrity, perhaps you are the one who is wrong as you were not there

Posted by: JK111 | April 27, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

@redbirdie

I just threw up in my mouth, thanks for reminding me of that DEBACLE (jagr).

Posted by: bhound69 | April 27, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

@RedBirdie

I am of the philosophy that anyone on my team deserves my love, and plenty of chances to prove their worth. i.e. Shultz. He's not the best d-man we have but I'm not giving up on him yet. Everytime he touches the puck my Dad and I yell SERGEANT!

Posted by: apollak8 | April 27, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

I hated jagr every day he was here not practicing and placing bets on games between periods. that mofo. Good riddance. there's that promo again. grrrrr

Posted by: oo7 | April 27, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

redbirdie, maybe people separated them down in DC and threw them but I didn't see any of that at MSG. I did see the thundersticks being thrown, and as I said in my previous post, they don't go very far but i did see a couple make it onto the ice. I'd imagine if people were throwing "sharp" and "pointy edged" projectiles at players, it would have been picked up by some media outlet.

And please don't question my integrity, perhaps you are the one who is wrong as you were not there

Posted by: JK111 | April 27, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Nice, turn it into an accusation against Capitals fans. No one threw anything on thunderstick night. But nice try.

Posted by: RedBirdie | April 27, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

@007

I KNOW, how many times are we gonna have watch that BS?

Posted by: bhound69 | April 27, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

There's a world of difference between Schultz and Jagr! Please don't insult poor sarge like that.

Posted by: RedBirdie | April 27, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

So is there no way to watch the Sharks Ducks game? I have centerice but it seems like Vs. is blacking out the game so that they can switch over to the end of it after the hawks game. any thoughts?

Posted by: apollak8 | April 27, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

You might hate jagr, but there's no denying that he is (was) a highly skilled player

and i love sgt.

Posted by: apollak8 | April 27, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

You would think Versus could find the tape of Juneau scoring in OT against Buff to send US to the finals for the first time, and run that every time there is a comm break!!!

Posted by: bhound69 | April 27, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

I -hate- to see a hockey player wobbling down the ramp. I also think the Caps can win w/o 87's 3 minutes a night. The refs sindy'd this series in games 3-5; so players took over the officiating in game 6, and this buffet of bullsid is the price we all pay. (JK, you might concede there's a line that connects clotheslining Semin to crunching Betts to boarding Green. Referees are paid to keep that line from forming.)
Nice going, Colon. You've really come through for HOCKEY fans.

Posted by: redlineblue | April 27, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

I think you need to gain a sense of irony Redbirdie because your reactions to what I say proves my point from up above. I can see I'll never change your hatred towards the fans at MSG, 99% of which are well behaved, the same way that 99% of the fans of the caps are well behaved but because your beliefs are set without learning facts, your reaction is based more on ignorance than anything else

Posted by: JK111 | April 27, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't CenterIce only run for the reg season?? Like NFL ticket??

Posted by: bhound69 | April 27, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Jagr was a highly skilled in Pittsburgh and New York. Not sure where he stored it all away during his time here (maybe in a government warehouse?). Anyways, I think this pretty much sums up Jagr's time here, why I can't forgive him, no matter his hockey talent, and why Ted and GMGM will never fully be forgiven until there's a Stanley Cup parade up Pennsylvania Avenue:

"The Capitals moved heaven and Earth to nab Jaromir Jagr and his pinks cheeks of hockey brilliance. They paid him with several gold bricks and valuable human organs per game. And Jagr... earned those bucks and kidneys by repeatedly hitting the snooze button on his team spirit."

Posted by: RedBirdie | April 27, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

With the stories going on this week about these folks at the games in DC, i think the people on this board should be very careful about perpetuating stereotypes about fan bases lest they risk having some pretty nasty stereotypes started about them based upon the recent media reports.
Posted by: JK111 | April 27, 2009 11:15 PM |

this from the same people who throw coins @ yankee stadium.
Stop the net threat.
Maybe we should wish swine flu on u for a threat.

Redbirdie is right - the stupidity quotient has been reached.
Fight stupid w/ stupid is the only way you will understand.

Posted by: Rocc00 | April 27, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

redlineblue, i concede that a lot of what happened in this series is due to bad officiating, but that includes quite a few cheap shots on Avery that led to Avery's retaliations that were penalties, slashes behind the play, charging by Ovie, etc. The Rangers have been guilty of penalties too but I will never ever blame a vigilante hit like what was done to Betts on officiating or any player on either team except for Brashear

Posted by: JK111 | April 27, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Any1 who only recognizes injury as the only evidence of crime is a moron like 111.

Once again - intent - Avery, doobi, orr = felons.

Posted by: Rocc00 | April 27, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

no, JK111, my issue is obnoxious Rangers fans (or Pittsburgh fans or Philly fans....) who troll on this blog whenever their team happens to play the Capitals and decrees that Capitals fans are idiots and how you're here to educate us poor souls. It was old in October. Its exceedingly tiresome in April.

Although, its nothing compared to the beating Steitz is constantly getting. That man deserves a Pulitzer in "Putting up with vicious e-mails from half-witted Penguins fans who aren't in on the joke with grace and humor."

Posted by: RedBirdie | April 27, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

I didn't say he played well for us, you're right. But his career likely won't be judged by his time with us.

I had to re-buy centerice for the postseason (i think?)

Posted by: apollak8 | April 27, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

i'm not even a yankee fan Rocc00, nor have i ever heard about coins being thrown there

what is it with you people and saying people throw coins everywhere in NY? If that was the case, I'd be a lot wealthier.....geez

Posted by: JK111 | April 27, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

so, will Vancouver crumble under the pressure of being the only team left to carry the Canadian hockey flame?

(I kinda hope not, because if the Caps were to falter and I'm stuck twiddling my thumbs for finals, the Canadian embassy always throws a kicking Stanley Cup party when a Canadian team makes it)

Posted by: RedBirdie | April 27, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

ok is it just me, or does one of the guys in the commercial for the new Terminator movie look just like Sean Avery?

Posted by: apollak8 | April 27, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

@apollak8, I dunno, I'll have to pay closer attention next time!

Is it just me, or is Avery's face almost unnaturally long? Its very distinctive.

Posted by: RedBirdie | April 27, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Plain and simple I don't see how a guy from the Rangers gets to stand at Center Ice, taunt our players and Brash goea and "pushes" him and he gets a game for it. How does the Ranger player not get anything? Seems like the NHL is trying to make up for having to suspend Torts.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | April 27, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

yeah next time please look for it

Posted by: apollak8 | April 27, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Plain and simple I don't see how a guy from the Rangers gets to stand at Center Ice, taunt our players and Brash goea and "pushes" him and he gets a game for it. How does the Ranger player not get anything? Seems like the NHL is trying to make up for having to suspend Torts.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | April 27, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

I don't see how Betts is "taunting" the Caps. He passed the puck and waited a moment, that's all.

That said, I think the suspension is simply unjustifiable. One game, I could understand, two games, maybe. But five games is simply not something the NHL can actually defend, imo.

Posted by: RedBirdie | April 27, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

REdbirdie, i came on this blog because I enjoyed the caps fans. Why should I go onto ranger blogs when everyone has the opinions? (Although because we have the Rangers, Devils and Islanders covered by the same papers, we have quite a few local hostile fans on those boards). But I've begun to think that maybe because we have 3 teams, we're more used to arguing on blogs?

I don't try to educate anyone on this blog about hockey, however if someone says something factually inaccurate about NY or MSG, where I am a season ticket holder, I would think my clarifications would only add to the discussion. Whats interesting is that if you read this board, there are so many anti-NY things said, about the fans, the teams, the people, etc. When you do that, you can't act indignant when those people say bad things to you too. As for who started it, I don't know but it certainly goes both ways. But remember, these boards are a public forum nad I would have to think if it was only caps fans, it would be quite a boring autocracy, no?

Posted by: JK111 | April 27, 2009 11:59 PM | Report abuse

should read "the *same* opinions"

Posted by: JK111 | April 28, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

And to all the posters who are asking "why wasn't this player suspended for this and that", there's one reason, they weren't hurt. PERIOD. Had Green been hurt, suspension. Furthermore had Betts not done his best Lindros impression there's a good chance Brash would've never got suspended.

I'll never forget when Modano got cross checked in the back from Ruslan Salei and Modano went head first into the boards. Salei said after that, it happens 100 x's in a game but this 1 time Modano lost an edge and it ended up bad. If you really look at that hit, Salei was absolutely right and in this case hits like this happen all the time but this time Brash caught him real good and at the right time. Had Modano not lost an edge or for that matter not gone head first in the boards and hurt himself, Salei wouldn't have been suspended. While it's wrong the NHL believes that suspensions happen when players are hurt, not when they're not.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | April 28, 2009 12:01 AM | Report abuse

The Flames HAVE BEEN DOUSED

Posted by: apollak8 | April 28, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Redbirdie, pokerface is referring to the pregame warmups with Orr, but honestly, other than standing close to the red line, I didn't see any taunting by Orr, besides the fact that Brashear knew or should have known there was a zero contact policy for pregame warmups and he went out of his way and skated to Orr to make contact

Posted by: JK111 | April 28, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

pokerface, I agree. I wonder how many games Orr would have warranted on that clotheslining of Semin had he been hurt?

Posted by: RedBirdie | April 28, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

the NHL seems to have adopted the policy of 'an eye for an eye' with regards to injury -->suspension

Posted by: apollak8 | April 28, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

That crap doesn't fly with me. I loved Dale Hunter, I have his captains jersey, but when he had his cheap in the playoffs (suspended 21 games), I lost some respect. It's not good for team or his teammates. Brashear better hope one of our guys doesn't get it like Betts. It's on his head.

Posted by: bhound69 | April 28, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

well, Sharks-Ducks is quite interesting......

Posted by: RedBirdie | April 28, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

I like what's his face on the left, but I can't stand Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble with the analysis, absolute boneheads

Posted by: apollak8 | April 28, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

@redbirdie

If's and But's.....who cares! Somebody earlier said we started winning when he was inserted into the line-up, BS! What's our record w/o Brash? We started winning when we made a goalie change.

Posted by: bhound69 | April 28, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Go Ducks! my first would be win in my espn.com streak for the CASH

Posted by: apollak8 | April 28, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

bhound69, which one of my posts are you referring to?

Posted by: RedBirdie | April 28, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

line fight!

Posted by: RedBirdie | April 28, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Juneau was the lucky donk who happened to be standing at the post to bang in that rebound. Obviously it was one of the biggest goals in team history but the memory that will always spring into my mind first when it comes to Juneau is that horrible penalty shot in the 2OT of the Nedved 4OT dagger game.

I'm not saying Juneau was a complete failure in his time here but I would say he underperformed.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | April 28, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

nevermind I'm too tired.....

Posted by: bhound69 | April 28, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

wowww classy move by pavelski to take off his visor, i'm impressed. then again if he hadn't it would have been real lame by him

Posted by: apollak8 | April 28, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

I sure would like to know what's going through some of the Caps heads right about now and what their mentality is. I mean for the 2nd yr in a row we've gone from down 3-1 to hosting game 7 at home. And their reaction to Brash's suspension and the accusations coming from NY. Better ask OV tho, everybody else will be politically correct with their answers! LOL! If you want the real heart beat of the team, better ask OV.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | April 28, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

I just watched the hit a couple more times, and I think it's a bit questionable.

It's obviously late, but it is arguably 'very late' and I don't think it is. On the replay I watched, I countes 1 Mississippi after the pass and then Brash makes impact. This was a slightly slowed down replay, so I suspect it was just around 1 second, maybe just less than.

Having said that, it's not exactly a high-speed crushing impact. Brashear isn't moving fast and if it doesn't catch Betts wrong and send him to the ice I don't think it ever gets reviewed.

It's hard to say is it a shoulder check or an elbow, and where exactly is the damage done, during the impact or when he hits the ice. Clearly the league has better angles / replays they can pull but even still I don't see a game suspension.

I also think that even though Brash is limited talent he has helped to spark this team during the last 4 games. He brings some needed playoff toughness. I don't like seing people injured and I'm never rooting for that unless your name is ruutu... or ... stevens...

I hope the caps play long enough to get Brash back in the line-up this season.

Posted by: gconrads | April 28, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

One last thought before I go to bed:

If the Caps don't go any further, and if they don't re-sign Brashear (and I'm not convinced they will), is his career over? Brashear's suspension is 6 games, and if the Caps don't play six more playoff games, the suspension carries over to next season. Is a team going to take on an aging enforcer who is suspend, when the NHL has made it very clear that they want enforcers out of the game?

Posted by: RedBirdie | April 28, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

JK, why will you blame someone else for Avery's behavior, but not for Brashear's? When Avery's not dirty, he's useless. (No need to take my word: watch #6).
The refs are supposed to enforce, predictably and consistently. They didn't, so each team's designated hitters did their thing. As a hockey fan, I think it's a shame. As a Caps fan, I can live with the fact our enforcer (Brashear, taking Betts out of play) has so far been more effective than yours (Avery, taking himself out of play).
I'd still rather see Betts and Semin ply their trade than Avery and Brashear with theirs. Wouldnt you?

Posted by: redlineblue | April 28, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Avery has a lot of skills redlineblue. He takes a lot of cheap shots but he isn't your classic unskilled goon either. He has great speed, is a very talented passer and a better than average shot. His forechecking abilities are excellent
Most people don't get past the other crap with him, and i understand that. I was watching Ray Ferraro on TSN talking about what an effective player Avery can be and its very true. The Rangers equivalent to Brashear is Orr and of course I'd rather see Betts than Orr

Posted by: JK111 | April 28, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Avery may have some skills that make him valuable some of the time, but they do not outweigh his liability to actions which show his true, poor character. There is no denying that he is truly a jerk (for lack of being able to use a more fitting word on this blog)

Posted by: apollak8 | April 28, 2009 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Well, it's been a long day. Goodnight to all (even you JK). May the merciful Hockey Gods bless us.

Posted by: apollak8 | April 28, 2009 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Just looked at the Brashear/Betts hit again on youtube. It's pretty clear that the Donald hit him with a shoulder clean in the chest. Then Betts falls and smacks his head on the ice. Im certain thats what caused the head injury, the ice, not the hit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGwrm3sGU8E

Posted by: MrDC3 | April 28, 2009 12:48 AM | Report abuse

MrDC3, you're right, i think the ice needs to be suspended

Posted by: JK111 | April 28, 2009 12:52 AM | Report abuse

night apollak8, thanks for the shout out, lol

Posted by: JK111 | April 28, 2009 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Quack.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 28, 2009 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Wow, Ducks. Au revoir Sharks!

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | April 28, 2009 1:06 AM | Report abuse

And the President's Trophy means what exactly?

Posted by: JS26121820 | April 28, 2009 1:08 AM | Report abuse

*shrugs* Your guess is as good as mine.

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | April 28, 2009 1:17 AM | Report abuse

I can't remember a more one-sided sweep than Wings over Jackets. Methinks they'll have a bit of a tougher go with the Ducks. Getzlaff is a beast

Posted by: JS26121820 | April 28, 2009 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Bertuzzi never should have been let back in hockey. He's just barely less of an insult to the game than McSorely.

Posted by: RedBirdie | April 27, 2009 11:21 PM |

You and I agree a lot, but come on.

Lucic did the same thing in a game against MTL and since no injury happened no one will say this about Lucic. Bertuzzi paid his dues.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 28, 2009 2:43 AM | Report abuse

Watched the hit again. Change in heart for me - it was suspendable mostly because of the few seconds before the hit. Though it was a shoulder check, it was premeditated (Brash looked for the first person he could find after Voros left), high, and late.

The right way to suspend Brash is 1 for the pregame and 1 for the hit, but due to history I would probably give him 3 for it. 1+3=4

But that's just it. The NHL is trying to send a message to Brash and other enforcers that this kind of play - a retaliatory high hit on a non enforcer - won't be tolerated. 6 was probably the right number not because of the hit, but because of the message.

And honestly, they're right. If it were Gordon on the ice with a broken orbital bone after a high Orr hit, we'd be just as crazy. It's big Brash against little Betts - a guy not known for his physical play. Let's just hope this means the refs will be watching out for both teams in game 7 and keep the game from getting to the point where injuries happen to our side. If we want to make a run, we can't afford that.

Posted by: Raber | April 28, 2009 4:03 AM | Report abuse

Redbirdie

Brash will be back. Even if the Caps lose tonight then he has 5 games left on the suspension and that's a drop in the bucket compared to an 82 game season. Not to mention he's only making a shade over $1M so it's not like he costs a lot. In the Eastern Conf there is still a need for this type of player at $1M. I wouldn't be surprised to see him resign with us again in the off season to be completely honest. He still serves a purpose that this team still needs.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | April 28, 2009 4:27 AM | Report abuse

I guess I'm wrong on the pre game hit. It was Orr at Center Ice and he wasn't taunting anybody. He was just standing there at Center Ice with his big @ss hangin over center ice and Brash approached him. I still stick to my point that it was hardly even a push and nothing materialized from it so to say that he got a game for that is a bit much. Now if something came of it then maybe but absolutely nothing happened after that.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | April 28, 2009 4:30 AM | Report abuse

The hit was clean, Brash came out looking for the puck not a body and went to where he saw the puck as it was leaving Bettes stick. Then he hit him, a little late yes, a clean hit yes, five game suspension worthy, not by a long shot. Oh and Avery was never reprimanded by the NHL for hitting Varly in the face or Jurcina the coach benched him so there is a really, really big difference there. The NHL says it's ok to sucker punch people, ram your stick up their nose and place the blade of your stick to the neck of a player AFTER the whistle blows but not ok to hit someone during play, I mean really the refs didn't even call the hit!!!

Posted by: ags38 | April 28, 2009 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Do you actually get paid to post moronic stuff? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Go cover politics or something you lefty. And yes you are a complete homer.

Posted by: njalijoe | April 28, 2009 7:30 AM | Report abuse

After watching video of Brashear/Betts five times, it is still hard to put the hit in context. Brashear got nailed by a Ranger along the boards, then seemed to swirl around toward center ice without having much concept of where play stood at that moment, and just wantonly unloaded on the first person he came across: Betts. I know they aren't out there to play patty-cakes, but there should be a purpose -- tied to the circumstances of the game -- for a hard hit like that. Brashear definitely should get a suspension; my only quibble might be that the league is so friggin' inconsistent about how it doles them out.

Posted by: DCstuntman | April 28, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

The hit wasn't exactly clean but it wasn't exactly dirty either. In my mind, Betts was skating back to the bench not paying any attention therefore not ready to absorb the blow. The unwritten rules of the game are always have your head up and be ready. Brashear shouldn't have hit him but that happens in every game that is played, it's just unfortunate about the injury. 5 games is excessive. With that said, why does the league not suspend a player like Avery for Throwing punches and butt ends of stick to the face?Maybe if Milan had lost an eye they would have. They have seen the video right? WTF!!!! Consistency. That's all that is required. Don't forget that Colin Campbell was the Rangers Coach at one point in the 90's.

Posted by: chasedano@gmail.com | April 28, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

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