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Posted at 2:57 PM ET, 01/ 4/2011

NHL won't discipline David Steckel for collision with Sidney Crosby in Winter Classic

By Lindsay Applebaum

David Steckel and Sidney Crosby wait for the puck to drop in the first period. Crosby took issue with Steckel's collision with him late in the second period. (Toni Sandys/Washington Post)


The NHL has ruled David Steckel's collision Saturday with Penguins captain Sidney Crosby incidental contact, reports ESPN's Pierre Lebrun, and the Capitals forward will not be disciplined.

Asked about the collision after Washington's 3-1 victory in the Winter Classic, Steckel said it was an accident. "I didn't even know it was him until I looked back," he added.

Crosby said he wasn't sure what happened, either.

"I can't really comment on it," he said in his postgame news conference. "It's pretty far behind the play. Maybe the refs didn't even see it. A lot of people didn't, but I don't know. Got in my head, that's for sure, but I don't even know how it developed."

Pittsburgh players spoke out more about the incident Monday, though, with Brooks Orpik saying it was "definitely dirty" and Crosby saying he found it hard to believe it was accidental.

"How tall is Steckel?" Crosby asked, according to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. "I find it hard to believe that his shoulder hit me in the head ... at 6-foot-5 ... by accident."

The case is closed, but here's Steckel's second-period collision with the Penguins captain if you missed it:

By Lindsay Applebaum  | January 4, 2011; 2:57 PM ET
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Comments

Crosby running into a brick wall would be just as funny, but ultimately still his own fault.

Posted by: dimagus | January 4, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I love Crysby's comment about the ref missing it. The ref was standing right there watching the whole time.

Maybe Crosby shouldn't take sports lessons from Gus Frerotte.

Posted by: 1995hoo | January 4, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Crosby and the rest of the Pens are all cry-baby's. The hit was all Crosby's fault as he wasn't watching where he was going. Crosby should have been called for interference.

Posted by: JMinVA | January 4, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Of course there's no disclipline because there was no foul. The tell-tale is Crosby craning to look up ice rather than where he's going, just as he turne. D. Steckel was accelerating to get up ice when Crosby turned into him.

Rupp and Orpik are trying to raise the stakes; Crosby's a whiner.

Posted by: Justafan | January 4, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

What is he 6'5"?

Sure. I've noticed that all NHL players, when moving up ice, tend to stand straight up for the best propulsion.

Sid stood up as the play passed, Steckel got his head down to giddy-up, and they collided. No big deal. In fact, if you look just prior to impact, Steckel actually leans to his left to try to avoid whatever is in his way.

Thank God Brooks Orpik has weighed in. We can sleep at ease....

Posted by: saintex | January 4, 2011 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I find it a bit ironic that Orpik is making comments about a dirty play.

Posted by: suzannepdc | January 4, 2011 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Yes, you know when I think about dirty players, Dave Steckel is one of the first that come to my mind.

Posted by: Bmorecaps | January 4, 2011 3:13 PM | Report abuse

What is he 6'5"?

Sure. I've noticed that all NHL players, when moving up ice, tend to stand straight up for the best propulsion.

Sid stood up as the play passed, Steckel got his head down to giddy-up, and they collided. No big deal. In fact, if you look just prior to impact, Steckel actually leans to his left to try to avoid whatever is in his way.

Thank God Brooks Orpik has weighed in. We can sleep at ease....

Posted by: saintex | January 4, 2011 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I understand Steckel WILL be disciplined.

Word out of New York is Stecks must tell Pierre McGuire that "he's sorry for hitting Sidney" whether he meant it or not.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | January 4, 2011 3:15 PM | Report abuse

http://nhl-red-light.si.com/2011/01/04/crosbys-whine-is-hard-to-swallow/

This SI article sums up my thoughts on Crosby and his goons. As the author stated, "But as Gordie Howe said, “Hockey’s a man’s game,” and this Sid the Kid act only goes so far."

Posted by: nicety251 | January 4, 2011 3:15 PM | Report abuse

what a cry baby. if stecks is 6'5" and crybaby is about 5'10", of course his head will hit his shoulders because his would naturally come up to stecks shoulders. what an idiot

Posted by: VTBonovox | January 4, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

what a cry baby. if stecks is 6'5" and crybaby is about 5'10", of course his head will hit his shoulders because his would naturally come up to stecks shoulders. what an idiot

Posted by: VTBonovox | January 4, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

There's a 50% chance Crosby caused the collision intentionally, in order to draw a penalty going into the 3rd period (not a bad play in the circumstances). There is a 99+% chance he embellished the hit.

Does Cyd's argument make any sense to anyone? As a parent of a tall son who played sports, let me tell you Cyd - yes, Steckel's shoulder could very easily impact you at head/neck level in an unintentional collision, given the heights of the two players involved.

Posted by: zmega | January 4, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

It's funny that this 'superstar' finds it so necessary to work the referees. But I've noticed that no one really beats Crosby; he simply has the game stolen from him by questionable calls. He hides when the game gets rough, slew-foots and cheap shots other players and then lets Rupp and the other real tough guys take his licks. The larger question is when some of the brownnosers like Milbury and LeBrun are going to call him out for his crying.

Posted by: BabeLaufenberg | January 4, 2011 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"I find it hard to believe that his shoulder hit me [at 5'11] in the head ... at 6-foot-5 ... by accident."
I don't get it. If Stex is 6 inches taller than the crosbaby, then it's only natural for his shoulder to be at the same height as the short guy's head. Am I missing something here? Or is crosby just a dummy?

Posted by: JEp1 | January 4, 2011 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Typical talk coming from Orpik.....

Posted by: CB28031 | January 4, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I could watch that hit over and over again and it just gets funnier every time I watch it.

F Crybaby!! Go Caps!!!!

Posted by: jwash4472 | January 4, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I find it a bit ironic that Orpik is making comments about a dirty play.

Posted by: suzannepdc

It would only have been better if it was Matt Cooke. Like someone already said, why wasn't Crosby criticized for not looking where he was skating. It's like putting your head down, but his was faced the other way.

Maybe next time I drive my car I will be looking behind me and then when I run into somebody I will blame them for running into me.

Posted by: sgm3 | January 4, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

What's dirty is all the waste management systems filling up with Pittsburgh Winter Classic merchandise... I love that we can wear our merch with pride and it will be an eye soar for the Pens for years to come.

Posted by: cappies | January 4, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

If Steckel wanted to kabong Crosby, he would have thrust his pad into Crosby's chin, not dipped it.

Posted by: atoms5 | January 4, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News from the CDC. Massive outbreak of Whine Flu has appeared in the vicinty of Pittsburgh PA.

The first reported case was discovered towards the end of the 2nd period of the Winter Classic on New Year's Day and is expected to last until Sunday, February 6th. (the next time the Pens get beat by the Caps)

BTW, where are all the Pens bloggers? Not too talkative this week!

Posted by: jwash4472 | January 4, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Good to see that CryBaby Crosby is back in the NHL, and has brought along some other Baby Pens. Stay classy, Pittsburgh!

Posted by: tfirey | January 4, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

If Steckel wanted to kabong Crosby, he would have thrust his pad into Crosby's chin, not dipped it.

Posted by: atoms5 | January 4, 2011 3:23 PM

Crosby prefers for a pad to be thrust somewhere else.

Posted by: 1995hoo | January 4, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

My God. New year, same whining. Somebody give him a pair of pants. Steckel wasn't even looking at him. Sid looked one way and the play ran into him. Stuff happens in a fast sport. If any of the enforcers come after Steckel for this, they should be told to send Sid out himself and man up if he wants to revisit this. IMHO, the worst thing about the hit was that he got up.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | January 4, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Crybaby is just worried about losing more face offs to Stecks, you have to believe there was a ton of acting and real tears with little syd.

Posted by: dhartogs | January 4, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

haha orpik of all people chimes in....didn't he hit erik cole from behind and break his neck?

Posted by: _stevo | January 4, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

You almost forget that Crosby was even in that game. Great job, Crosby! You got on camera. Maybe not for playing hockey but hey, it's a highlight reel for the Capitals fans! See you on the 6th, Pens!

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | January 4, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

...but ref, they won't stop throwing those hats on the ice!

Posted by: Justafan | January 4, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse

My God...Quick somebody please send the Waaaambulance to Pittsburgh.
Typical Pens, typical Pittsburgh.
I'm sure I wasn't the only one at the Classic that noticed just how quiet the town became when the game ended...Wonder if it would have been like that if they won ?
Even the local sportcasters really didn't want to talk about it once the game was over.
Poor losers...poor sportsmanship

Posted by: jotay131 | January 4, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Crosby, Malkin, Toews, Letang, Keith and Fleury are the AS starters. I guess they pick two captains (duh, Sid and Toews) and then divvy up the other four guys as asst cpns (which Pen gets put with Toews and Keith) and then the pick 18 each.

Do any of us really want to watch the fantasy pick show? Can you imagine the look on that red-lipped face as Sid huddles with Gino (bright one there) and say Fleury (another genius).

Since Sid would NEVER pick Ovechkin, Toews can just leave him for last.

My guess is Toews team will wipeout Sid's team by doing a better job picking. Sid will just go after all Canadians.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | January 4, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Oh, right, Steckel should have gone after Crybaby's sack. That would have made it a clean hit.

Posted by: CTCapsPhan | January 4, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

@tominscoal1

Are you sure the 6 selected starters have to be captains? I thought the captains were voted on by the players selected after all participants are chosen.

Posted by: sgm3 | January 4, 2011 3:48 PM | Report abuse

OK, how will they split them up?

First they will split the D and two forwards:

Crosby, Letang

Toews, Keith

One team gets Malkin, the other Fleury, that's how it would work. They could chose to split the Pens and Hawks though...anyone know how it works? I'm guessing Sid and Toews are captains.

NHL Network should market thusly: "If you think Sid looks stupid now, wait till the Fantasy Draft!"

Posted by: tominsocal1 | January 4, 2011 3:48 PM | Report abuse

they are just trying to scare the caps into using a lineup spot on DJ King. Oh well, let the dude play and jack someone up.

Posted by: makplan20002 | January 4, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ajian1 | January 4, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I was going to post the SI link, but someone else beat me to it. It's worth a read.

Second - what an asinine complaint. Crosby is 5'11", Steckel is 6'5". If the two stand side by side, I bet you'll find that Crosby's head comes up to Steckel's shoulder. If both are trying to accelerate, it's very easy to imagine Crosby's head running into Steckel's shoulder.

Third - wait wait. If the play is headed up the ice into the Pens zone, why is Crosby looking towards the Caps net? Shouldn't he be, you know, backchecking?

Posted by: kittypawz | January 4, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

sgm: The TSN article said 2 of the 6 starters are captains and the other 4 are asst captains. So you have two groups of 3 the league will make from the 6 who will then huddle up and pick from the pool of 36 that the league selects. In the end, two squads with each 12 F, 6 D and 3 G.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | January 4, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully, the NHL watches the game on 2/6 very closely. There are going to be plenty of retaliatory cheap shots from Orpik. I mean, he basically just admitted that he is going to go after the Caps in retaliation.

Did Orpik chime in when Cooke took out Savard?

Posted by: sabredc | January 4, 2011 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Interesting also which Caps play in the AS game. Ovi? We would expect. Semin? Is he a top-24 forward? Maybe. Green? Top 12 D? That's iffy as although his defense is up, his offense is down. The goalies? Wouldn't expect.

Ovi 95%; Semin 50%; Green 40%.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | January 4, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Poor Backie is 13th in scoring for C:

http://espn.go.com/nhl/statistics/player/_/stat/points/sort/points/position/forwards

And two guys behind him (Malkin and Toews) got picked! Good luck Backie!

Posted by: tominsocal1 | January 4, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse

However, BB considers #4 the 7th d-man. It really doesn't matter that vermontcaps thinks Erskine is the #1 d-man (in history), he is more often than not going to sit.

Posted by: chriscaps | January 4, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Two points:

1. If BB really thinks that and would sit Erskine "more often than not", and play Hannan/Poti/Shultz/Alzner all the time, then that's just yet another reason he should be fired as it would demonstrate that he's poor at evaluating his personnel and constructing a line-up that can compete in EVERY facet of the NHL game.

2. To be clear, SCOTT STEVENS is, was, and always will be the GREATEST DMAN IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME. But I'm glad you read my posts, chriscaps. Keep it up and you just might learn something :)


Posted by: vermontcaps | January 4, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Oprik has the temerity to say that Stecks running into Crysbaby was definitely intentional after he raped the smallest Cap behind the net with no call and MAF coming behind his net for the double-team. That jacka$$ defines PUNK.

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS2 | January 4, 2011 4:20 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

This is from an ESPN article about the All-Star game:

"The rest of the 42 All-Stars will be revealed on Jan. 11. They will nominate captains and alternates, who will then choose teams in a draft on Jan. 28."

From NHL.com

"Once the selection of the 42 All-Star players is complete, the players themselves will decide which two All-Stars will become team captains as well as four alternate captains, two for each team. Approximately two weeks from today, the captains will be revealed, at which time team names will be designated as the last name of each respective captain."

and later on in the article:

"For sake of fairness in the draft, the captain and alternate captains for each team will consist of two forwards and one defenseman."

Since a goalie cannot be a captian the players voted into the game must not be the 6 captains.

Posted by: sgm3 | January 4, 2011 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Had Steckel collided with Ben Lovejoy, this would have been a total non-issue. We would have been lucky to have an announcer even mention it. But because its Crosby, with his own Crosby-Cam, it has to be replayed a dozen times during intermission. The fact that the league had to even comment is silly.

As for the All-Star Game, Sid will pick the All-Canadian Team, right after he picks the All-Penguin Team. I hope everyone is looking forward to watching Max Talbot, Malkin, and Fleury all night.

Posted by: firehorse | January 4, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

sgm: That contradicts the article from TSN that FrankM73 posted on the last thread.

So, we shall see.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | January 4, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

It was an article from NHL.com so I would assume it is correct.

But knowing the NHL, it very well may not be.

Posted by: sgm3 | January 4, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have a picture of the sign at the Winter Classic that read something like, "That's not rain. That's Crosby crying."

I need a new screen saver.

Posted by: DreamOutLoud | January 4, 2011 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Did people see that Tampa signed Marc-Andre Bergeron?

Wow, that PP is going to be ridiculous now.

Posted by: sgm3 | January 4, 2011 4:44 PM | Report abuse

How many replays of this minor collision were shown on NBC? And how many replays were shown of the Crosby slash that was so obvious that one of the NBC guys mentioned it right after it happened? You could actually hear the Caps bench howling for a call when it happened. Go slewfoot someone, you dirty b!tch. No wait, don't. You could end someone's season doing that. Make it "go cry to Mario, you dirty b!tch".

Posted by: cao091402 | January 4, 2011 4:44 PM | Report abuse

The fact that the NHL had to review this one hit out of the millions of others that happen that go noticed or un-noticed is pathetic.

Posted by: LloydChristmas | January 4, 2011 5:00 PM | Report abuse

@vermontcaps

I'm fine with dressing DJK for some games. I have never been against it. However, I am against dressing him for the sole purpose of reacting to the other teams lineup. If you do that then you let the opposing team dictate what your starting lineup will be and they will put out the lineup that gives them the best chance of winning.

I really have never had a problem about DJK playing some, it is the poor reasoning you give for playing DJK that I have generally have a problem with.

Posted by: sgm3 | January 4, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

You wan't to talk about initiating versus retaliating? You've obviously been employing selective-reading when it comes to this one. Please, sgm3, you've gotta explain to me what "poor reasoning" I've expressed. I've got to run out for a bit, but I'll be back shortly and will be eagerly awaiting your response....peace

Posted by: vermontcaps | January 4, 2011 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Two dirty players Crysby and Ordick crying "Dirty Play" is nothing new. What may come as a surprise to many fans is the little reported fact that the ice crew came up an 1/8" short in ice thickness due to local area water restrictions. Fortunately for everyone, they had Crysby come down to the field and channel all of his perceived transgressions against him from past games. The result was more than enough tears to bring the ice up to the proper thickness so the 'Winter Classic' could be played. I guess he's not such a bad guy after all.

Posted by: FunkyGloveFacewash | January 4, 2011 5:03 PM | Report abuse

This would explain why the Pens wore BABY blue for the Winter Classic. The Pens' fans and their Cups - like a high school quarterback 10 years later still living out his highlight reel on the couch, in front of the tv, watching a game. Almost makes me feel sad for them. Boo. Hoo.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | January 4, 2011 5:04 PM | Report abuse

2. To be clear, SCOTT STEVENS is, was, and always will be the GREATEST DMAN IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME. But I'm glad you read my posts, chriscaps. Keep it up and you just might learn something :)

Posted by: vermontcaps | January 4, 2011 4:15 PM

I love Stevens but Raymond Bourque might have something to say about #2

Posted by: Moose33 | January 4, 2011 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Last time I checked - Steckel has never snuck around and hit some guy in the sack like Cindy. Pay attention to where you are looking, and you would not have been run over - accidently - Cry Babies all of them. Has a Cap complained about Cindy's cheap shot to Varly at the end of the game?

Posted by: lylewimbledon | January 4, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

If anybody wants to watch and download the first three episodes of the HBO Winter Classic four series, simple go to www.youtube.com and enter "2011 HBO NHL Winter Classic" as your search then look for the series episodes part 1, 2 and 3. Part 4 should be on Youtube by Friday.
Great to have all four episodes to watch over again in piece and quite at home.

Posted by: JMinVA | January 4, 2011 5:19 PM | Report abuse

PENS LOGO MUST GO!

PENS LOGO MUST GO!

PENS LOGO MUST GO!

PENS LOGO MUST GO!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | January 4, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

To be clear, SCOTT STEVENS is, was, and always will be the GREATEST DMAN IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME. But I'm glad you read my posts, chriscaps. Keep it up and you just might learn something :)
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Right he was such a great D-man that he won exactly how many Norris Trophys??

That would be ZERO!!!

Bobby Orr is number one and then you can debate about who's number two. I would say it's a close contest between Ray Bourque and Lidstrom.

Posted by: joek443 | January 4, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

2. To be clear, SCOTT STEVENS is, was, and always will be the GREATEST DMAN IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME. But I'm glad you read my posts, chriscaps. Keep it up and you just might learn something :)

Posted by: vermontcaps | January 4, 2011 4:15 PM

I love Stevens but Raymond Bourque might have something to say about #2

Posted by: Moose33

So would Bobby Orr. So would Nicklas Lidstrom. So would Scott Niedermeyer. So would Denis Potvin. So would Larry Robinson. So would Eddie Shore. So would Doug Harvey. So would Paul Coffey(3 Norris Trophies, 14 All-Star games)

Posted by: sgm3 | January 4, 2011 5:26 PM | Report abuse

You know whats dirty? Calling an incidental hit dirty and getting your teammates riled up so they go after said player the next time around. Obviously Steckel is more then capable of handling himself but still thats pretty low. From the feigning of the injury in hopes of getting a third period call to useless speculation on Crosby's part that the hit was intentional.

I swear, Crosby and Cristiano Ronaldo must have been separated at birth. Two huge talents with a terrible habit of diving and embellishing on penalties.

Posted by: Dirtbag359 | January 4, 2011 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Also, where's my Paul Devorski link from the CBJ game? C'mon, I know someone on here has to be able to hook me up. That story is too good to be swept under the rug. Pics, Vid? In this day and age someone, somewhere, had to get a shot of his incident with the fans!
Since I only received a lump o' coal for Christmas this year, a pic/vid of Devorski making a crying gesture or giving the finger to fans would re affirm for me that Santa DOES exist!

Posted by: FunkyGloveFacewash | January 4, 2011 5:27 PM | Report abuse

2. To be clear, SCOTT STEVENS is, was, and always will be the GREATEST DMAN IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME. But I'm glad you read my posts, chriscaps. Keep it up and you just might learn something :)

Posted by: vermontcaps | January 4, 2011 4:15 PM

I love Stevens but Raymond Bourque might have something to say about #2
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And a guy named Orr may have something to say about both of your posts. (I'm a few years north of 50).

Posted by: truke | January 4, 2011 5:31 PM | Report abuse

So would Paul Coffey(3 Norris Trophies, 14 All-Star games)
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No, Stevens was better than Coffey who wasn't even a D-man. He was a closet winger.

Stevens wasn't even the best D-man of his era. I would put Bourque and Chelios ahead of him.

Posted by: joek443 | January 4, 2011 5:31 PM | Report abuse

If that hit's a penalty, it's on Crosby for interfering with Steckel who was trying to join the rush up ice.

The caps have the puck on the break out and Sid collides with the center who is trying to skate up ice? That's 2 minutes on Sid.

Stecks is skating in a straight line up ice and it's Sid's path that swoops into Steck's lane.

Posted by: garbageman | January 4, 2011 5:31 PM | Report abuse

@joek443

Yes, Coffey was a completely different type of defenseman than Stevens but you can't deny the impact he had as a defenseman(it was the position he played).

3 Norris Trophies and 14 All-Star games.

4 Stanley Cup wins and 7 Stanley Cup Finals appaerances.

Posted by: sgm3 | January 4, 2011 5:35 PM | Report abuse

NO sgm3,

I got a chance to see Coffey up close when he played for the Pens. The man could NOT play any type of defense.

Yes he was a great offensive talent but I'll take Bourque and Chelios over him every time.

Posted by: joek443 | January 4, 2011 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Coffey wasn't even an average d-man in his own end, he was absolutely terrible.

Posted by: joek443 | January 4, 2011 5:49 PM | Report abuse

#1. Orr
#2. Lidstrom

Posted by: youaresquishy | January 4, 2011 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Obviously incidental contact, which is why the NHL ruled it incidental contact.

I wish it weren't though. I wish Steckel had done it on purpose. But as much as I want to believe that, it is impossible to.

Posted by: youaresquishy | January 4, 2011 5:57 PM | Report abuse

#1. Orr
#2. Lidstrom

Posted by: youaresquishy | January 4, 2011 5:54 PM

or
#1. Esskay
#2. Erskine

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | January 4, 2011 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Orpik's and Crosby's comments to the contrary are just embarrassing.

As if Steckel is some kind of cheap shot artist.

Nutcracker Crosby and his goon complaining about it is pretty funny. They have no shame.

Posted by: youaresquishy | January 4, 2011 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Yes he was a great offensive talent but I'll take Bourque and Chelios over him every time.

Posted by: joek443

I'd take Bourque over Coffey. Chelios, I think that is a close one. All the guys you want to choose over Coffey is fine, I understand your reasoning.

All I'm saying is that there is a legitimate argument(All-Star games, Norris Trophies, Stanley Cups, points, playoff numbers, etc.) to say that Coffey had a more productive career than Scott Stevens as an NHL defenseman.

Posted by: sgm3 | January 4, 2011 6:14 PM | Report abuse

@vermont

has it ever occured to you that YOU could possibly be wrong? I mean Erskine is playing really well in my mind too, but BB has a lot of experience and quite frankly I don't think any of the other 6 D-men are worse than him...they may not be as physical, but they do offer other qualities that Erskine does not have. We have looked pretty good since Schultz came back, and pretty lousy while he was out...probably a coincidence, but worth noting.

Poti deserves a chance to get a few games in and see if he can play.

In my mind the ideal situation is that they both play well and are rotated...both are not that young and are prone to injury...keep them both fresh.

Posted by: capscoach | January 4, 2011 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Looks to me like Steckel was breaking up ice in a straight line and Crosby, not looking where he's going, continued to arc right into him. Not my job to go around you; hockey's a "look where you're going" sport. Totally incidental on both players' parts. Who cares what Orpik thinks?

Posted by: peterbigblock | January 4, 2011 6:27 PM | Report abuse

And just like someone said earlier (fanohock?), Poti will be injured by the end of this game, so just a maintenance day for Johnny E.

It was classic when Mike "don't daze me bro" Rupp cried uncle. That was the funniest thing I saw until this Cindy thing happened. He is solidifying his reputation with his comments and actions. Stop crying and just PLAY THE GAME! It's hockey, not golf...

Posted by: sca187 | January 4, 2011 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm finding it harder and harder to respect Crosby - and that's hard for me to do, even in Forsberg's heyday I had to admire guys like Lidstrom, Feds, Stevie Y, Datsyuk, hell, even guys like Konstantinov I respected, albeit begrudgingly.

That's funny about Orpik - some of my buddies played jrs with boys who wound up at BC - it is so funny, they all say Orpik was a Grade-A dovchenozzle, almost to a man. [Not his teammates, but my buddies - but they almost always use some variation of 'd-bag!].

Posted by: Timbo_1 | January 4, 2011 6:59 PM | Report abuse

I repeat:

The only reason this was even discussed is because the Canadian media is so far up Crosby's rear-end, it comes out of his mouth.

Screw Crosby. Screw Orpik. He should have to change his first name....

Posted by: CF11555 | January 5, 2011 3:12 AM | Report abuse

If a juggernaut like Steckel is heading your way move or get run over!

Posted by: ajcb | January 5, 2011 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Complaining about getting blindsided in the freaking head is your proof that Sidney is a whiner? Find me any first-liner that hasn't complained about getting blindsided in the head.

Posted by: getjiggly2 | January 6, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

What a bunch of homers! If it were OV out with a concussion after an accidental hit by Orpik you would all be crying foul! Fact is if you had any idea about the game you would know that David Steckel hits him on purpose. Why else is he on the ice? For his outstanding offensive skills? Steckel is a loser and every team has one or two! Its hockey with the instigator rule! Don’t be so naive!

Posted by: ROBODV8 | January 8, 2011 7:02 PM | Report abuse

The words "accidental hit" and "Orpik" don't even exist in the same universe.

When Orpik calls another player "dirty," you know you've awaken in the Twilight Zone.

Posted by: fakedude2 | January 10, 2011 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Find me any first-liner that hasn't complained about getting blindsided in the head.
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Uhh, "complained," or launched a Canada media compliant pant-wetting, crocodile-tears crying campaign?

Posted by: fakedude2 | January 10, 2011 10:24 PM | Report abuse

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