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Posted at 6:00 PM ET, 08/29/2008

Gustav on the Brink of Explosive Development

By Jason Samenow
gustav-sat-0829.jpgGustav satellite image at 11 a.m. Courtesy NOAA.

6:00 p.m. update: Gustav continues to intensify and is now a hurricane. Additional strengthening is likely over the next day or so. Chief meteorologist Jeff Masters at Wunderground advises: "It's Time to Leave New Orleans"...

From earlier: Over the past 48 hours Tropical Storm Gustav proved it was a survivor, as it withstood difficult journeys over Haiti and Jamaica. Now it may turn into a monster. It has emerged intact over the very warm, open waters of the northwest Caribbean. The National Hurricane Center cautions in its latest update:

...STRENGTHENING SEEMS IMMINENT AND COULD EVEN BE RAPID.

Keep reading for more on Gustav, as well as Hanna. For Washington, D.C. weather, see our full forecast, and BeachCast for the holiday weekend.

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Gustav's forecast track. Courtesy National Hurricane Center.

Gustav's intensification may be briefly interrupted if it passes over western Cuba. However, it is likely to still be a major hurricane (category 3 or higher) in the Gulf of Mexico. It's landfall intensity forecast is more difficult, as some models suggest its forward progress will slow as it approaches land. SeaBlogger aptly explains:

General rule for Gustav in the Gulf: the quicker it moves, the more severe it will be at landfall. If it slows, shear will weaken it more, and dry air will entrain off the land. Watch the speed and course: slowing and wavering will be good signs. But if it settles on a straight path after Cuba and moves steadily, someone will get pretty hard hit at the end of it.

Where will Gustav hit? Track guidance has been pretty consistent in bringing it ashore between southeast Texas and Alabama. The majority of computer models predict a landfall in Louisiana, west of New Orleans.

The worst case scenario for New Orleans would be for the storm to make landfall just slightly to its west or a nudge east of the middle of the National Hurricane Center's current forecast (shown above to the right) . Such a track would inflict Gustav's strongest winds and maximum storm surge on the city. Katrina actually tracked just east of the city and would have impacted the city even more severely had it come inland just slightly west of where it did. The odds of the worst case scenario materializing are low, but with the consistency of the track forecasts for this storm in the last two days, the possibility needs to be taken seriously by planning and political officials.

The prospect of a land-falling hurricane during the Republican convention has captured the attention of the McCain/Palin campaign, which may consider postponing the convention according to FoxNews.com. Science policy blogger Dr. Matt Nisbet (from American University) discusses the unwelcome distraction the storm poses for the McCain campaign. If Gustav meaningfully impacts New Orleans, it will test what all levels of government have learned since Katrina. The amount of spin from political pundits on the preparation and response effort will no doubt rival Gustav's.

Further east in the Atlantic, tropical storm Hanna continues to hold its own. Not much has changed since yesterday, and it is still expected to strengthen to hurricane intensity. However, uncertainty in its track remains very large and steering currents will be very weak beginning in about 48 hours. Many models now suggest Hanna will drift to the southwest towards the southern Bahamas by the middle of next week. It's too early to even speculate where it goes after that. Yesterday I said the entire East Coast should watch Hanna. We can now add the Gulf of Mexico to the list.

Track Gustav, Hanna and several other areas of disturbed weather in the tropics, using the interactive map below.

Powered by hurricane-tracking software from Stormpulse.com. Pan, zoom, and click on points along the storm's projected track for intensity forecasts.

By Jason Samenow  | August 29, 2008; 6:00 PM ET
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Comments

omg

Posted by: asi | August 29, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Maybe a longer weekend than we expected!

Posted by: nat | August 29, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Get out while you can!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Put a fence up around New Orleans and call it good. Who would continue to live there? It is beyond me why people put up with this year after year. Turn the southern part of the state into a large wildlife sanctuary.

Posted by: Darren | August 29, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

If the people of New Orleans do not evacuate this time, they have no one to blame but themselves. They have plenty of time... Make no mistake...The term HURRICANE implies a destructive force.

By NOW they should understand that!

Don't blame the government for your own stupidity. Get out!

Posted by: Hurricane | August 29, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Lets just hope that if federal aid is needed this time that we don't embarrass our country again by responding as if we are NOT the most advanced civilization on the planet.

Posted by: Realist | August 29, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

The chickens of global warming are coming home to roost. It is more than a coincidence that the number and intensity of tropical storms and hurricanes has increased over the last decade. It is ironic that Gustav may delay the Republican convention, considering how that party has tried to deny global warming and the US's continuing role in its acceleration.

Posted by: Abarafi | August 29, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

you said: "... but with the consistency of the track forecasts for this storm in the last two days, the possibility needs to be taken seriously by planning and political officials."

But I hope you meant government officials (who may be able to do something) rather than "political officials" who can only spin the bad news.

Posted by: bb | August 29, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Gustav's winds will get up to 200mph...

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

CORPUS CHRISTI IS LONG OVER DO FOR A HURRICANE.

Posted by: KEVO | August 29, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Watch as the media show the day after destruction, people crying in the streets, wading through chest deep muddy water, houses flooded, the national guard helicopters... IT's a Hurricane! GET OUT!

You will have no-one to blame but yourself

That city should be condemned by the federal goverment.

Posted by: future | August 29, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

How about a little compassion for the people of New Orleans? Many of them have families who have been in New Orleans for generations.

Why don't we put a fence around San Francisco? Earthquakes will continue to cause destruction there. How about around Colorado? Avalanches are bad too. Major hurricanes hitting New Orleans have not been a problem until recently.

Be kind to your fellow Americans.

Posted by: Charity | August 29, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Great article! Love the interactive map! Good job, guys!

Posted by: Sue | August 29, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

southern decadence hits again, will New Orleans ever learn

Posted by: wwwrench | August 29, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Dubya Bush will use this as an excuse to "postpone" his speech at the convention.
ANYTHING to keep McCain from being seen with him.
BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE THAT 90 % AGREEMENT RECORD.
McCain is Bush is McCain is Bush is McCain is Bush is McCain................

Posted by: Tomhere | August 29, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Hurricanes have been hitting the gulf coast for millions of years. This one should be no surprise. They always come on shore in September - November.

The residents of New Orleans had better start planning their escape, rather than relying of the government to come to the rescue. That lesson should have been learned long ago.

Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.

Posted by: lacking intelligence. | August 29, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Get ready for a flood (no pun intended)...CWG is the top of google searches again for Gustav.

Hopefully people in the path of this storm are prepared and will evacuate in a timely manner. It's scary to think what could happen in a few days... People really should pay attention to any tropical storm/hurricane when their area is threatened. I remember when Charley hit Florida in 2004, it was a Category 2 when I woke up and a few hours later it exploded into a strong Category 4. I tried to warn my friend about it (she was in Daytona Beach for the weekend), and they said it would be nothing and I was trying to panic them like the media does. They had Category 1 hurricane winds that night, lost the window in their hotel room, their car was severely dented by debris, and a few tires were punctured by flying debris as well. People really need to take this stuff seriously...even if it does seem like hype. Better to be safe than sorry.

Posted by: weatherdudeVA | August 29, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

did you pay any attention during Katrina?

there are a lot of people who can't AFFORD TO EVACUATE. THEY ARE WHAT IS KNOWN AS "POOR".

get a brain.

Posted by: jj | August 29, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Major hurricanes have been hitting new orleans since prior to the time weather has been recorded...

How old are you? 18?

Posted by: you're an idiot! | August 29, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Pay no attention to that hurricane. Focus on me and my tokenist pick for the most unqualified VP ever.

Posted by: John W McSame | August 29, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Contact Barak Obama. He will stop the Hurricane!

Posted by: The Mesiah | August 29, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

My boyfriend has a performance in LaFayette, LA on Sunday. I was planning on flying down to Dallas, TX tomorrow to meet up with him at another gig and then travel with the band via a passenger van to LaFayette. I'm alittle concerned to say the least at this point. Any advice?

Posted by: Festival | August 29, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

That post is correct. Get Barak to unleash his big bag of wind to the southeast of Denver and blow that bugger back out to sea!

Posted by: Hillary | August 29, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm praying that New Orleans, along with everyone else, is somehow spared this disaster.

Otherwise, I've grown weary of people making fun of New Orleans or demeaning it. 1.4 million people, the vast majority of the metro area, did leave in advance of Katrina.

Let us wait and see how well Los Angeles or San Francisco fare in the event of an 8.0 or greater. The aftermath of Katrina will pale in comparison.

Or let us wait for NYC & Long Island to take their turn with a hurricane.

It'll be instructive.

In the end, New Orleans was and still is a glorious place to live as long as one is not an idiot. For those who are idiots, no place is a good place to live.

Posted by: Michael | August 29, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

It's called car-pooling, bussing, or riding a bike. Life is too valuable to make the same mistake twice.

Poor does not equal stupid... leave! People.. Leave!

It's a HURRICANE!!! Don't wait for the government to save your a$$!

Get out - any way you can.

Posted by: evacuate | August 29, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

this is a weather blog

poltics is not welcome here

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Substantive comments are appreciated. We will remove any comments we deem inappropriate (e.g. insults, attacks, containing bad language, etc.). Thanks to all for stopping by and participating!

Posted by: Jason, Capital Weather Gang | August 29, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

The fact of the matter is that there are many people that live in the area that can't just get up and move, No more than you or I could uproot our lives in our community and move somewhere else.I do hope that those who will be affected now have a better understanding of what a Hurricane can do not only during but after it passes. People will need to evacuate accordingly, but to say that they should just leave New Orleans is absurd.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I'll Huff and Puff and blow New Orleans down

Posted by: Gustav Wolf | August 29, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Festival: You're right to be concerned. Pay very close attention to the storm's progress this weekend. It could well impact where you're headed.

Posted by: Jason, Capital Weather Gang | August 29, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Give me a break! The argument that New Orleans should be condemned and the people who live there deserve what they get shows your ignorance and lack of compassion for people. I live in Louisiana and do not support New Orleans or the image it portrays at all. But to condemn the people who live there is ridiculous. There were 1,000 people who died in NO during and after Katrina. In Washington, DC during 2006 there were 169 murders, 185 rapes and 8,772 violent crimes. Should we wall it up and destroy it too?? Give me a break.

Posted by: LarY | August 29, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama will save New Orleans. He can obviously lower the oceans. He said so and I believe him.

Posted by: follower | August 29, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

JJ - poor people do have brains however! It does not take a scientist to know that high winds = destruction. Mayor Nagin and former Gov. Blanco were idiots and should have run their local and state govt. with some form of competency. President Bush and his adminsitration failed as well but he was telling the people days in advance to get the heck out!

Posted by: Greg | August 29, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

While saying "a hurricane's coming, get out now" sounds really easy right now, it just isn't that easy. Here's what many people don't realize: these things have a tendency to TURN. So yeah, evacuate, but to where? What if you were to evacuate and then the storm turns and heads to where you evacuated to? Many people stay longer so that they actually know where the storm is going BEFORE they leave. It isn't stubbornness. I just though I'd let all the ignorant people out there know this before they start blaming the residents of the Gulf South for simply living there.

Posted by: AM | August 29, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Its just natural selection at work. Natures way of getting stopping faulty DNA. Same principle applies to motorcycle helmets, condoms, and rodeo contestants.

Posted by: Natural Selection at Work | August 29, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I pray that it is not as bad of an impact on Louisiana as they expect, but I also hope it stays that direction because I live just west of Beaumont, Texas and trust me we do not want it to make ANY turn to the west.

Posted by: Kimc | August 29, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Being Poor is no excuse If your life is in danger Money has Nothing to do with it!
Example: I have no car so how i am i going to escape.... Walk you lazy bums.

Posted by: You Know | August 29, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

i live in Long Beach MS and we are still not fully recovered from Katrina but are making good progress. I feel for whoever is at gound zero. good luck to them. if you live in a low lying area, BOLT.

Posted by: maxx | August 29, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Quote:
"did you pay any attention during Katrina?

there are a lot of people who can't AFFORD TO EVACUATE. THEY ARE WHAT IS KNOWN AS "POOR"."

The reason so many people didn't leave NO prior to Katrina making landfall was that wellfare checks were due 1st of the month.

Posted by: Carter | August 29, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Plenty of warning to make a move!

Posted by: Chuleta lover | August 29, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Get out the government credit card, Somebody is gonna need some groceries.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Incredible times we're living in that a weather event could set off a discussion about politics, and that it could elicit expressions of anger, instead of compassion, for one's fellow Americans. Katrina was a wake-up call: not for New Orleanians to relocate (that city has been there for more than 300 years and its vitality is critical to the American economy and our national security), but for Americans to see how we're allowing politicians and political pundits to spin us against each other, and spin our society down the tubes.

Posted by: Amazed | August 29, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Y'all act like New Orleans is the only place that has had traumatic concequences from hurricanes. If you think that the people living here are stupid, then you have to also include everyone anywhere near the Gulf Coast and the entirety of Florida. Please don't knock our decision to live in a culturally rich place. We endure the threat to live our lives the way we love.

Posted by: ugh | August 29, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Global warming isn't the only problem the earth has. You people who have NO compassion but lots of sarcasm should be exiled to the bottom of the ocean with the rest of the bottom feeders. Shut-Up if your only comments are ugly. I'm sure you are the same idiots who think Obama will save the world. Idiots.

Posted by: sick & tired tired & sick | August 29, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Future, Daren, Hurricane, we are all Americans. We all bleed, laugh and cry - we are all human. New Orleans is a jewel of a city that rivals Venice, Paris, Algiers, Prague and many others. As a country we are lucky to have it. It is unfortunate that we failed so miserably to help these folks three years ago. And for the record it was the man-made flooding that caused the tremendous suffering and destruction. Granted many stayed that should have left we hope that this has changed.

Posted by: American | August 29, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

The winds always die off to the north..I.E Hurricanes don't hit Missouri.

Head north.... Don't go down the east coast or the west coast and don't try to escape by boat.

Use common sense!

Posted by: Head North | August 29, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

McSame Hurricane

Posted by: doh | August 29, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Bush is on top of it don't worry

Posted by: Pfffffffff | August 29, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I can't read the first part of the story because the stupid economist ad it RIGHT ON TOP OF IT. Morons

Posted by: Tom | August 29, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the people of Louisiana are paying attention. In fact, most of us evacuated last time as well. Believe it or not, the majority of the flood victims were probably WHITE! But you'd never know that thanks to propagandist media.
BTW, Katrina didn't even hit New Orleans, it hit the Louisiana/Mississippi state line.

Posted by: swampster | August 29, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm a little unclear on how the storm could land in northeast Texas. I lived and there is nothing there, not even interesting storms.

Posted by: Lived in Louisiana once, and Texas | August 29, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe some of the comments I have read here. The cold, pointed and ignorant rants of some of the comments are unbelievable. Why do some of you have to be so mean hearted about the people of N.O.? It's their home, and just because it is where it is doesn't make them targets for your stupid comments. Put yourself in their shoes, and be a human being. No wonder your country is on the brink of internal bleeding with no care for each other like what is displayed on this feed. Take care of each other and grow as a nation of compassionate people instead of the cold, bitter ignorant bigots you are becominig.

Posted by: canadian compassion | August 29, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Why so hostile people? People of New Orleans, come on over, WE will take care of you....but we have wildfires and earthquakes, sure hope that doesn't change your mind.

Posted by: California | August 29, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Deep down in Louisiana
Close to New Orleans
Way back up in the woods
Among the evergreens

There stand a oil rig
Made of clay and chain
And lives a republican boy
Named Johnny B. Same

He never ever learned
To read or write a book so well
But he could play the spin
Just like a-ringing a bell

Go go, go Johnny go go go!
Johnny be same !!!

Posted by: Johnny be same | August 29, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Most people didn't leave NO because Katrina did not and was not forecast to make landfall there.

Posted by: JP | August 29, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Maybe this time the Mayor will use the buses he never used the first time. Tuff love hurts, but the people that stay behind have them selves to blame if they stay. I lived in Florida Keys for over 20 years and knew if I stayed and it got real bad, I only had myself to blame.

Posted by: Mike | August 29, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

It appears that Washington Post wants to make sure it gets the ad revenues. The stupid economist ad is covering the headline and the intro paragraph. Way to go W.P.!! What is next: pop ups and x-rated pics!!

Posted by: Critic | August 29, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

First time, shame on the country. Second time, shame on them that don't heed the warnings and leave, even as big gubmint offers the way to go. Poor does not mean stupid. Stupid is moving back to the hazardous places. Be proud of generational ties to the place, but common sense should prevail.

Posted by: b. oney | August 29, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

jj,
Yes there are a lot of people that are known as "POOR" but pretty much all of them have whats known as "LEGS". They have plenty of warning.

Posted by: Michael | August 29, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Before being so quick to write off New Orleans, think about it: the Mississippi River drains most of the United States. It's going to meet the sea, however you engineer it, somewhere in Southern Louisiana. Do you really think there shouldn't be a port there?

It wouldn't take that much competence, really, to keep the city's levees up to specs, only slightly more than we got from "heckuva job Brownie".

Posted by: csdiego | August 29, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Too bad the Republican's hadn't chosen New Orleans, Mobile, or some other city potentially in the path.

I really thought that Kerry could have won Florida if he would have gone to the most devastated part of the state, right where 3 hurricanes passed and said, "These storms, more intense than of years before, are the result of global warming. We need to change our ways or they will continue and continue to intensify."

Posted by: cyberfool | August 29, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Canadian Compassion,
Most of us are more than willing to help others but we are sick and tired of being asked, even forced, to help those who refuse to even try to help themselves. It's a vicious cycle that gets progressively worse.

Posted by: Bill | August 29, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans are scared of Gustav because the forecasts say it might hit the Mississippi River. They didn't hang around to hear N.O., not St Paul.

Posted by: cyberfool | August 29, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

To the person saying that people should walk out of the city if they can't afford a car...are you so misguided that you can't picture an elderly couple in a small apartment with no means to drive, let alone walk out of the city? The last time I checked, hurricanes are HUGE! I'd like to see you walk the 400+ miles to get out of its path. Go ahead, get on a treadmill and start now. Oh yeah...and make sure that you have any food/water that you're going to need on your back, because stores are going to be closed. See if you can walk that distance before it arrives!!

The United States spends billions of dollars every year fighting the war in Iraq...yet we can't spend a tiny fraction of that to evacuate an elderly couple, or anyone else who doesn't have the means to get out.

Posted by: Californian | August 29, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

The hurricane is not the problem...one can build to withstand such natural forces. But the man-made levies are the problem...if they break. Hope that does not happen this time. What happens in the next dozen years?

Posted by: Guest | August 29, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

To the person saying that people should walk out of the city if they can't afford a car...are you so misguided that you can't picture an elderly couple in a small apartment with no means to drive, let alone walk out of the city? The last time I checked, hurricanes are HUGE! I'd like to see you walk the 400+ miles to get out of its path. Go ahead, get on a treadmill and start now. Oh yeah...and make sure that you have any food/water that you're going to need on your back, because stores are going to be closed. See if you can walk that distance before it arrives! I bet you'd make it half way if you're in shape and get swallowed by it.

The United States spends billions of dollars every year fighting the war in Iraq...yet we can't spend a tiny fraction of that to evacuate an elderly couple, or anyone else who doesn't have the means to get out. Something has to change in this country...I feel our priorities are all messed up. Since when did our government care more about another country than our own?

Posted by: Californian | August 29, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

We must remember, government/s can only do so much to protect us. When authorities say evacuate, do it. And no more flooded unused buses!

Posted by: Responsibility | August 29, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Okay, for you silly little monkeys that are ridiculing the people of Louisiana for 'not evacuating', check yourself and realize that major hurricanes have never veered on the path Katrina did, as it did. Of course they were unprepared, to an extent. When they did call for support, guess what, it didn't arrive in time, and what did arrive was well under reasonable levels. This time, they're prepared. This time, Republicans can't take another hit, so you know they're going to be on top of this.

Either way, screw the political crap. People are far more important.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

My tax dollars should not have to mitigate the risk for those that choose to live in disaster prone areas. Sure maybe these things are "rare" but soon it will be rare that any of us can afford to retire, social security will be bone dry (as if it ever helped anyone in the first place) and our national banks will be so over leveredged that China and other countries that buy up our debt will literally own the United States of America, they'll even have little certificates that say so. Soon your house will look like the toys at Wal Mart, only instead of being stamped with "made in China" the front door will be stamped with "owned by China."

Posted by: devalued | August 29, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans aren't gonna do anything about a hurricane except say it's God's will and blame him.

Posted by: The Rodentman | August 29, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

where's Brownie when you need him!? He saved the Crescent City first time around with his "good job"...

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford | August 29, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

My tax dollars should not have to mitigate the risk for those that choose to live in disaster prone areas. Sure maybe these things are "rare" but soon it will be rare that any of us can afford to retire, social security will be bone dry (as if it ever helped anyone in the first place) and our national banks will be so over leveredged that China and other countries that buy up our debt will literally own the United States of America, they'll even have little certificates that say so. Soon your house will look like the toys at Wal Mart, only instead of being stamped with "made in China" the front door will be stamped with "owned by China."

Posted by: devalued | August 29, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

FOr the person who said "Global Warming" I hope you realize that everyone has moved away from that terminology and it is now called "Climate Change" Also if you haven't noticed this summer has been a pretty cool one. Look up reversal of pacific currents.

Posted by: Will | August 29, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately strengthening storms always track east of the models. Water profiles favor explosive development in the central Gulf. Remember Katrina and Rita? New Orleans is in deep trouble.

Posted by: OG | August 29, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Several comments:
-I was with my uncle's company & crew helping with Katrina cleanup in NOLA & MS.
-Terrible devastation from storm.
-NOLA govt. is very corrupt. Nagin is a fool.
-Most contractors helping were made bankrupt by not being paid by city & feds.
-NOLA is a corrupt place. Look at how people turned into animals in the Superdome. Rapes & murders were rampant.
-NOLA deserves to be completely destroyed.
-May God have mercy on the residents.

Posted by: KatrinaVeteran | August 29, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

wow! this is crazy so many hurricanes in such a short period of time ...

i am praying for the cayman islands, my beautiful paradise not to be destroyed..!

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Posted by: Taylor R. | August 29, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

just hope that fema helps everyone this time.. not like with katrina.. only NewOrleans.. which didnt get it near as bad as the mississippi gulf coast and inland ... we are still trying to recover.. cant blame the weather,, we just have to be ready.. but if you have never lived through it there is no explaining ... just hope people listens this time a gets out... no time to try to play hero

Posted by: friis | August 29, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

They should have hired a Dutch company to build a sea wall around NO.
It's time for the USA to plan more than 30 days in the future.

Posted by: aaron | August 29, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I lived through Hurricane Hugo in SC, with it passing directly over my house. Now I live outside Orlando FL. Hurricanes are a risk to any coastal state, just as tornadoes are to central states. But tornadoes have hit Atlanta and the Carolinas as well.

It's called an "Act of God" and it don't matter where you live, there is risk involved. Use common sense!!

Posted by: kc7brown | August 29, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

*Quote*
The winds always die off to the north..I.E Hurricanes don't hit Missouri.

Head north.... Don't go down the east coast or the west coast and don't try to escape by boat.

Use common sense!
*Unquote*

Honestly it doesn't matter where you live, I live in Southern Missouri and we get slammed by tornados all the time.

Posted by: Joey | August 29, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

In response to LarY: Yes, we should wall it up and destroy Wash DC too.

Posted by: RonnyMay | August 29, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

My dog loves to swim in hurricane-flooded canals.

Posted by: Cracker Jack | August 29, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

When I moved to this country 6 years ago it was with excitement and a sense of admiration for the greatness of the USA. Over time this has changed to complete dissolution and sadness about way your country is going. You’re supposed to be one of the mightiest countries in the world and other countries look to the USA for guidance but you’re country is rotting internally! As others have said "where is the compassion"??? I was in one of the worst hit areas for Katrina - it wasn’t projected to be anything more than strong winds and rain but it turned in the middle of the night and gained strength. Some made it out but not all. The roads were too congested which meant we would have been exposed in our cars during the worst of it. We were hit with a 32 ft wall of water that devastated homes and lives all around the area. What can prepare you for that??? Evacuating or not doesn’t prepare you for the aftermath. I can guarantee that every one of you slamming NO did nothing to help in the aftermath for those that did evacuate. I bet that none of you saw first hand the families that lost everything. You’re all so quick to condemn NO but what about the rest of the area??? We are still not back up on our feet and not because we were waiting for government handouts. Most people got completely screwed by the insurance companies - where was you’re government then???

I bet those of you who have no compassion for your fellow countrymen have never been in a situation where you’re lives have been threatened, never lost all that you have, never been homeless, jobless, and can guarantee that you have never smelt death and decay up close and personal. What happened to the greatness of the USA???

Posted by: sad | August 29, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

have the levee's been fixed so they can't be breached?

Posted by: jen | August 29, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

in haiti the weak die when this happens. why not here

Posted by: mang | August 29, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

It is a shame that people are using a potentially grave event to talk about politics! Concentrate on how you can personally help your fellow man. Quit blaming others. We are the USA.

Posted by: GCA | August 29, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Hooray for all of the people that lived "Rent Free" in the FEMA trailers after the last "Big One" in the South. When FEMA put the trailers up for sale, after the rent free tenants lived there for about 3 to 6 months. They had been trashed beyond repair. If those people need a lesson, let them live in the same trailer they trashed. I have very little sympathy for "Idiots"

Posted by: Michael Straight | August 29, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Welcome new visitors to our blog. We'll be providing tropical updates daily as long as there is a storm threatening the U.S. The URL for this blog is:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalweathergang

The blog contains a mix of content all things weather. The focus is on Washington, D.C. area weather but we cover major national weather stories.

Please post responsibly and refrain from personal attacks, bad language, racial slurs, etc. We will remove comments that we deem inappropriate.

Thanks again for visiting.

Posted by: Jason, Capital Weather Gang | August 29, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

The gov't has a plan to rebuild the levees by the year 2011. TOO LATE IDIOTS! How stupid, why would they think they had 6 years to rebuild something that should've been done IMMEDIATELY? The residents are not protected whatsoever and they need to get out of there, and fast, by any means necessary. It's going to be Katrina all over again. Those who refuse to go are stupid and will get what's coming.

Posted by: me | August 29, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

come to new york, havent had a hurrican since 91

Posted by: fjhfro;sdfhoerhfe | August 29, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

While the political commentary is awfully entertaining, I was hoping to find some information about the weather. This is my absolute favorite weather blog, and while I will not be deterred by those who wish to use this site for political rantings (left, right, in between), it's rather annoying to suddenly have to wade through 100+ postings to find 1 or 2 that are relevant to the topic of um.....weather.

Posted by: chris | August 29, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Chris-- Very happy to hear you enjoy the blog. There are a lot of new visitors as a result of the fact this blog post was featured at the top of Google news earlier today. We welcome all here, but encourage everyone to stay on topic and provide substantive contributions about weather and its impacts.

Posted by: Jason, Capital Weather Gang | August 29, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Words on a blank page in a blog where you don't have to look into the eyes of those that have suffered something like Katrina makes it real easy to have an unwavering opinion. Once you have been a random victim of something impossible to control that takes everything you own - and you have the strength to rebuild your life slowly but with steady determination - then you will learn compassion. And you will understand...till then you can't even imagine. . . you just won't get it!

Posted by: mscoastgirl | August 29, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

It is heartbreaking to see anyone suffer, but it is also their choice to live in a sin saturated environment, and God will not be mocked forever.
I live in Calif, just outside of L.A.--I fully expect to be devastated by an earthquake, but like last time, I'll pick myself up, dust myself off, and start over, and not expect anyone to take care of me.

Posted by: Kathy | August 29, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous: 200 mph sustained??? No way, under current circumstances!!!

The most intense tropical cyclone ever, Typhoon Tip [Western Pacific] had sustained winds of a "mere" 195 mph!!! The highest wind recorded [outside of a possible EF5 tornado record], 236 mph, was recorded at Mt. Washington, NH. That may well have been a gust.

However, gusts of 200+ mph in Category 5 tropical cyclones are possible. I think such gusts occurred in Camille, Allen, Gilbert, and the 1930's Labor Day hurricane; also in Tip and other Category 5 typhoons in the West Pacific.

In general, Category 5 tropical cyclones tend to be somewhat unstable and the period of time at Category 5 is rather brief.

Posted by: El Bombo | August 29, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

I can not believe some of the rants on this blog.

Posted by: MissMissy | August 29, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Gustav is a sneaky little fellow. He may just detour and come straight for Y-O-U!!!
Better go get your act together.

Posted by: Watch your back. | August 29, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Why are we still talking about New Orleans?

All of the flooded homes should have been leveled and the land they sat on returned to the watershed and swamps that protected the old part of the city, built on high ground.
Anything below sea level should have been returned to the sea and the levees torn down.

Stop throwing tax and donated dollars away on that hole.

Posted by: USA | August 29, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

what a great thread

Posted by: garwoodpr | August 29, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey folks, while everyone seems to have their eyes only on Gustav, Hanna could become a serious threat to Florida not long after Gustuv hits somewhere along the Gulf Coast!

How about some serious, non political queries on, well, whatever you'd like to know more about hurricanes generally or on these current storms in particular.

P.S. Don't expect any replies, from me at least, until Sat AM.

Posted by: Steve Tracton | August 29, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

anyone remember when these posts weren't filled with political crap?

Posted by: .jeff. | August 29, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

So..uh..changing topic

What do you guys think about Invest 97L? I think it looks pretty ominous already. Do you think it will be a threat to the east coast or turn out to sea?

http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at200897_sat.html#a_topad

Posted by: weatherdudeVA | August 29, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

weatherdude: Invest97L seems like it has strong potential to become a TD in the next couple days. Forecast models pretty much unanimously strengthen it. It's Cape Verde season now...

Posted by: Jason, Capital Weather Gang | August 29, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

1) Could we please get the bored teenagers off these boards?! Please moderate this blog better - if the post is not specifically weather-related, DO NOT ALLOW TO GO THROUGH!!

2) Is there any good reason why Houston and Galveston should be resting easily at this point? I know there is drama concerning NOLA, but the Texas coastal cities have huge populations as well, and a hit could send gas prices well over $7 a gallon, to say nothing of the human and economic toll! All Gustave has to do is veer a little to the left of the projected path, would it not? I feel for Louisiana, but it seems to me that no matter where Gustave makes landfall, it's not going to be good.

Posted by: Iris M. Gross | August 29, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I'm at the end of a LOT OF talk... but here goes:

West Springfield (Accotink Lake/Mixing Bowl)- Storm Total (mostly Fey stuff I guess): 0.91"

I have Happy Grass! (Not that kind...)

Posted by: Bikerjohn | August 29, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

I like all of the activity and hurricane buzz on the comment board tonight. I have not seen in quite some time such a resistance and tone taken toward non-weather related comments. For me, I actually welcome the political commentary. Some of them are silly--and humor can help relieve this otherwise tense situation. The storm is a threat. But this blog is based in DC. I have come to expect lively and colorful politically-tinged comments. They are pretty harmless, entertaining, and I myself still wonder if evacuation policies are sufficiently run by our federal government. We will see this time around, eh?

Glad to see everyone, and read everything, on the board tonight. Take care all. HOPE YOU KEEP FOLLOWING US!

Posted by: Camden, Capital Weather Gang | August 29, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Jason, from where did the name Invest 97 originate for that storm off of Cape Verde?

Steve T., I did have a general question about hurricanes. Is there any research being conducted to counter these storms and reduce their strength? I know there have been failed attempts in the past, but I wonder if any recent attempts have hinted at possible success.

Thanks to you both....

Posted by: David A. in Stafford | August 29, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Bikerjohn - thanks for the storm totals. Yup I suspect Fey too, when looking at the area storm totals. It was pretty humid today and this rain was pretty steady. She is likely to blame--even after all this time :-) Ha, happy grass indeed.

Posted by: Camden, Capital Weather Gang | August 29, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Before I go upstairs for some dinner, I'd just like to say this:

It's been great to see so many people discovering CapWX for the first time. I know how excited I was to come across it 2 or 3 years ago, when it seemed that the best I could do was go on Accuweather and keep refreshing the 15-day forecast. This is the only blog I read, and for two reasons: 1, the people who write it, and 2, the people who read it.

With that being said, I almost don't want it to grow any bigger; it seems that a rise in hits only leads to debauchery in the comments section like we've seen today. I don't even have words to express my feelings when FELLOW COMMENTERS WONDER WHY THE POOR AND ELDERLY CAN'T JUST WALK AWAY FROM A CATEGORY FOUR HURRICANE.

I still feel terrible at myself during the times of Katrina. I was almost excited to see the hurricane hit; as a naive, sheltered kid, I figure it would cause some damage but that everything would come back together. I'm not sure if I've ever held such a bigoted and ignorant view. Even now, I'm awed by the terrible power that Gustav presents, and a corrupted part of me still wants to see just what damage it causes. The sane part of me, of course, hopes that it will do nothing at all.

And yet: in a way, we need these hurricanes. We need them to reveal government incompetence and the dangers of indifferent bureaucracy. We need them as a sign of the dangers of global warming, even if such storms are a meteorological-not a climatological-phenomenon. We need them so that we'll take warnings seriously the next time.

Katrina caused so much devastation for so many people that it's a no-brainer to wish it never happened. But, even so, I think the silver lining to such a horrible storm is that people are now taking this one seriously. Are the residents of New Orleans--those who CAN evacuate, at least--likely to shrug the storm off as "just another hurricane?" I would think not, after seeing what that mentality did four years ago.

In short: I love CapitalWeather and hate bigotry (even though I'm an ignorant fool myself), love hurricanes for their beauty but hate them for their destruction. Let us pray that Gustav shows us the wonders of creation without the loss of life and lifestyle that Katrina caused.

Posted by: mcleaNed | August 29, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Dave-- "Invest" (i.e. under investigation) is simply what a disturbance is called prior to becoming a depression. They're also given a numerical designation for identification-- (e.g. 97)

Posted by: Jason, Capital Weather Gang | August 29, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

This blog is great information, I live in New Orleans though, and was shocked at how stupid people are, and how disrespectful. How would you leave your home and city and all of that when you didn't even know if you were going to be able to afford to leave it! I'm glad that all of you who are safe feel that you can lay judgement on an entire city, and hope you never have to deal with the terifying uncertanty of a hurricane or any other natural disaster so that you can continue your uninformed points of view.

Posted by: Cards | August 29, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Well, we're just north of New Orleans (a crime-ridden cesspool for y'all who don't know) and people *have* been evacuating, stocking up on supplies and such for several days now. Local animal shelters have already evacuated their animals and people have bought the pet stores out of dog and cat food. Some gas stations are also running out of fuel at some pumps and have constant long lines. Fuel limits are also in place. People are taking Gustav seriously and I'm glad to see it after the damage Katrina caused. People did not stay for Katrina just because they were poor or didn't know to leave--they didn't heed the warnings until it was too late and didn't take the danger seriously. That goes for local and state government as well. Since then programs have been put in place to bus people out, but very few have actually bothered to sign up. I hope they have made alternate arrangements. (All summer the ads have been on radio and TV urging people to register for the evacuation program if they don't have transportation.)

Be prepared folks and have your OWN emergency plans and supplies. FEMA is as well run and efficient as Louisiana politics are honest and ethical.

Posted by: BayouGirl | August 29, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Sad wrote:

You’re supposed to be one of the mightiest countries in the world and other countries look to the USA for guidance but you’re country is rotting internally!


Then why don't you go back to your home country? After all, it must be just a zillion times better that the USA.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous: please, don't talk that way to immigrants. The world already thinks we're bigoted enough.

Posted by: mcleaNed | August 29, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

These comments ARE shocking. The lack of empathy and understanding for fellow people, much less fellow citizens, is remarkable. The very first top comment demonstrates the NWO/neocon point of view.

Fact: 11/12 of FEMA's budget is spent on blackbox things, only 1/12 on items like dikes levees bridge repair and the like. I read that New Orlean's dikes and levees are still only good for a Cat 2 hurricane. What's the other 11/12 being spent on? google "FEMA camps"

- Manny Two-Shoes, truth teller

Posted by: Manny Two-Shoes | August 30, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

It is so easy to judge others-- especially when you are writing on a blog and never have to face the person in reality. People who write these damaging remarks online are cowards and fools.

People of New Orleans, please know that the vast majority of Americans are pulling for you. My daughter has been to New Orleans twice since Katrina to help with the clean up. She came away from your beautiful city with wonderful memories of the warmth and fighting spirit of those who had lost everything.

Like what happened in the Holocost, we tend to de-humanize others when we view them as a group. But when you know people as individuals, they become real people again.

Hang in there, Gulf Coast residents.

Posted by: science teacher | August 30, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

It's so sad how steeply the quality of the actual weather commentary has declined since you went to the Washington Post. Now it's all politics and not about the weather. It feels like the band that jumped the shark. I miss the old days when we had honest to God weather discussions, and Jason, I bet you do too.

Posted by: Curtis | August 30, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

Curtis: I respectfully disagree. I can objectively say we provide as much or more weather discussion on this site as we ever did on the old site. You must not be reading closely or regularly. If you're referring to the political content of the comments in response to my post, that's nothing we can control. If you read the content of my post it's 90% weather discussion with a short mention of what political implications Gustav might have. And on the old site, we covered the political implications of weather as well. We did A LOT on the policy implications of Katrina.

Bottom line-- I'm very happy with what we're producing here at washingtonpost.com. Of course, we hope to continue improving what we offer, and if you have specific suggestions (besides just "the old site was better"), I'd love to hear them.

Posted by: Jason, Capital Weather Gang | August 30, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Americans for ruining my morning. I was just surfing the internet to check up on Gustavo because my fiancée is somewhere there and am myself quite concerned about New Orleans and I ran across this bog. You are so horrible people! Before you blurt out uncompassionate, intolerant and ignorant blab, remember – you are writing this for the whole world to read. Try to restrain yourselves! In Europe we call such commentary fascism! I feel sick in my stomach from the amount of tension and hatred in this blog!

I am also relieved to read the comments of the other people more at grips with sanity and humanity that posted to this blog - defending the citizens of NO and condemning intolerance.

Posted by: European | August 30, 2008 5:46 AM | Report abuse

Jason, many thanks for the explanation!

Posted by: David A. in Stafford | August 30, 2008 7:04 AM | Report abuse

cnn say its a cat 3 with wids of 115mph

Posted by: sam | August 30, 2008 7:36 AM | Report abuse

Darren: What city can take it's place? Who's going to supply goods to people all along the South if it is boarded up? It's a necessary port city.

Not only that, it's got more culture and history than most of the cities in the USA. I don't agree with the often publicized debauchery that goes on in the French Quarter, but that's just a fraction of the city. The food, art and music that come from there are second to none. Politics aside, the city is rich in heritage and was one of the first melting pots in the US and rich in Spanish, French, Italian, Irish, African and Carribean culture.

Posted by: Karl G. | August 30, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

*Wow*...can we go back to the relative "naivete" of asking about snow potential for the upcoming season or something? Its always quietly lurking in the back of my mind.

Posted by: missy | August 30, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

David A.

In theory and principle, there are possible ways to modify the strength and motion of hurricanes. But, like most all weather modification efforts, including those you referred to many years ago with regard to hurricanes, it's essentially impossible to tell whether any changes in the storms was due to the modification procedure or would have occurred naturally anyway.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

The above post was me - forgot to type in name

Posted by: steve tracton | August 30, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

"Missy"

I guarantee there will be lots of snow this winter - somewhere! In the DC Metro area?? Your guess is as good as anyone. That's just the way it is, period!

Posted by: Steve Tracton | August 30, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Steve, thanks for the information!

Posted by: David A. in Stafford | August 30, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

European honey, when you've lived in and near New Orleans a while like I have, and worked there, done rescue missions there--maybe had generations of family raised in and around New Orleans like my husband has, then you may be qualified to pass judgement on those of us who had less than sterling remarks to make about the city. We live in something called *reality*. That's where levees aren't up to quality for hurricanes because they're stuffed with PAPER, politicians are corrupt and probably drunk, stealing from the people, murders happen so regularly they aren't even shocking anymore and debauchery is accepted as normal. Do you realize the National Guard troops never were able to leave New Orleans after Katrina because the crime was so bad???? It's been THREE years!!! Be happy you live where you do and let those of us who know the real deal deal with it here.

Posted by: BayouGirl | August 30, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I, ALONG WITH ABOUT 600 CAMPS IN HOLLY BEACH, LOUISIANA, WERE WIPED OUT BY RITA. GUESS WHAT??? NO ONE WAS HURT BECAUSE WE DIDNT SIT ON OUR ASS AND WAIT FOR THE GOVT. TO COME GET US. EVERY CAMP WAS WASHED INTO THE LAKE AFTER THE WIND BLEW EVERY CAMP DOWN TO THE SLAB. WE ARE REBUILDING WITH A PORTION OF WHAT THE INSURENCE PAID US. WE ARE THE FORGOTTEN ONES AND LITTLE ATTENTION WAS TELIVISED BECAUSE IT DOESENT MAKE GOOD PRINT TO SEE PEOPLE WORKING TOGETHER WITHOUT THE GOVT.

Posted by: WAYNE | August 30, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

People of New Orleans, there is a way out. I don't care what your income level is; you have been warned. Don't wait for someone to come to your door in a big limo and escort you to safety. It isn't going to happen. You must organize yourselves and your families and make a plan to make a speedy exit.
Someone makes remarks about those living in California who do not move due to earthquakes. But really, let's get real here. You don't see any elite subdivisions cropping up on Mt. St. Helens do you?? Get a clue. You live in a city below sea level. Maybe with today's weather patterns, you ought to look to higher ground to plant some new roots. Afterall, home is where the heart is. You can relocate. Don't wait for the government to bail you out each time because the money simply isn't there. Now is the time to work, take responsibility for yourselves and do what you can to save yourselves.

Posted by: mountainlover | August 30, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Don't be absolutely STUPID like you were last time, get the HELL out before it becomes HELL again. The TAX PAYERS are getting tired of bailing you out.

Posted by: NONAME | August 30, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Well, I see the Capitol Weather Gang themselves disagree about the amount of non-weather related comments and name-calling tolerated here - one, Camden, actually relishes this, apparently. Well, I'm not so naive to think that if I go to the Washington Post website, I won't be encountering Washington-based commentary. But I spent the first 12 years of my life in D.C., NOT the suburbs, and I don't like to pigeonhole any group of people to where I believe everybody up there relishes rudeness in their political discourse. Besides, it is a little disingenuous to suggest to people to tone it down while another one says it's humorous and they don't mind. Either set and enforce some rules, or just admit that anything goes! On this particular blog subject, I personally would rather see discussion on the hurricane rather than what either Obama or McCain would do about the aftermath, especially when, as senators of other states, neither of them are in any position to do much of anything about it!

I would, in addition, like to have my Houston question answered, please, by one of the more knowledgeable weather guys. Thank you.

Posted by: Iris M. Gross | August 30, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Get out of NO now...no excuses, just leave. If it's still there when this is over then go home, if not then start over...Please quit crying about what the govt. is not doing for you...try doing for yourselves like most hardworking Americans.

Posted by: Rick | August 30, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Here in Florida, we just went through Fay. It was a relative "lightweight" compared to Gustav.
You cannot imagine how many snapped and uprooted trees Fay left us, as well as the flooding and general "mess" all over the place.
If we ever have a storm as bad as Gustav bearing down on us...my A$$ is leaving as fast as I can get it outta here!
I suggest you New Orleans folks get out and get out NOW! Losing a house or possessions is bad, but losing life is terrible...not to mention PERMANENT.

Posted by: Me | August 30, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

"The amount of spin from the political pundits on the preparation and response efforts will no doubt rival Gustav's."

Thanks, Jason, for my biggest laugh of the day, though you're surely right.

Posted by: jhbyer | August 30, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

God help anyone who is in the path of this storm. Do what you can to get out, and see if anyone that is physically unable needs your help to leave.

Posted by: Czech Lady | August 30, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

"Get out of NO now...no excuses, just leave. If it's still there when this is over then go home, if not then start over...Please quit crying about what the govt. is not doing for you...try doing for yourselves like most hardworking Americans."


Crawl back to the twelth century, Jethro. We live in increasingly compact, technological sophisticated cities. We're not just rebuilding one room shacks in the middle of nowhere, anymore. Governments exist for a reason - to act as collective body with which to handle crises of HUHE PROPORTIONS. Would you say the same thing after 9/11? Disband the military so we can "do it ourselves"?....Remember your words when the big quake hits California, with trillions in damage and tens of millions of corpses wasting in the streets...Yea, no government or military needed...You live in some farmboy fantasy land.

Posted by: MegaScale | August 30, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Jason,
I was not clear and I apologize for that. The quality of the forecasts and discussions from the CapWx team has never been better. It's the "quality" of the comments that bums me out. I just see so many people bringing their "viewpoint" (or "political bias" or "axe to grid") into what used to be a site that dealt only with weather. It's another example to me of how things are going these days in DC. You are dead on that i don't read as much; I miss the innocent days of Cameron's Crazy's and Jim from blue Ridge and even Contrail Ken. It seems like (on the comments) every storm gets extrapolated out to prove some huge point about global warming or why Democrats don't get it or how W is useless, etc.
Again i truly apologize for not being clear about what I feel is a sea change in the quality of commentary since ya'll joined up with the Post. These comments now all read in the predictable way that ALL the Post (or WTOP or whatever) sites look like. CapWx used to be unique in the way that weather was simply about weather. It was love of weatherthat drove here, a refuge from all the politics and name calling etc. Just my 2 cents, you guys are great, but all the politics and nastiness is not an improvement.
Curtis

PS I DO NOT like the way Gustav keeps ending up slightly north and slightly faster...both are very bad omens.

Thanks for responding Jason.

Posted by: Curtis | August 30, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Sounds Like a real WMD to me.
From outsiders looking in is was always such a curiosity that so much time, money and effort was spent fighting external threats, yet "real" threats exist close to home and go largely ignored.
God bless America.
God save Louisiana

Posted by: Daryl | August 31, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

People continue to make the Gulf Coast their home for the same reason those who suffer earthquakes, blizzards, and other natural disasters choose to make their area their home. Hurricane Katrina caused one of the most devastating days in our nation's history and was life-changing for everyone who suffered because of it. Coming from someone who lives on the Lousiana/Texas border (not someone who lived or lives in New Orleans) - everyone should have compassion for the 1600 people that died due to extreme HORRIBLE conditions that could not be helped. {And for those who are still trying to rebuild their home and communities 3 years later not just in New Orleans but from High Island, Texas to Gulfport, Mississippi.} My friends & loved ones (from Texas) were some of the law enforcement that volunteered to wade through neck-high water - swimming through snakes, ants, toxic water, garbage and floating bodies. Marking numbers on the side of houses for the number of deceased found inside. Were they warned? Yes. Over 4 million people had 36 hours to head north on a handful of roads because all east and west bound lanes become closed during a mandatory evacuation. The roads became so congested that many cars overheated, gas stations & cars ran out of gas because of the extreme number of people traveling, and thousands of people were forced to abandon their cars on the road because the hurricane came before they could reach their evacuation destination. Not to mention the number of pets that were left on the side of the road both dead - due to heat exhaustion...and alive - but left there due to the lack shelters to take them in. No one deserves the devestation that a hurricane brings. As I pack my last bag for my 3rd hurricane evacuation in 3 years and prepare myself to hope for the best but prepare for the worst, I ask those reading this to pray for those who will be affected by this storm. Pray for the city of New Orleans that so many are "tired of hearing about". Pray for the entire Gulf Coast - for those that will lose their homes & be forced to start their entire lives over again.... and for the families that will forever be impacted. Pray for the city & county officials that can't leave because they are required to perform miracles moments after a storm has passed. Pray for the law enforcement, the emergency response teams, the fire rescue units, the er doctors and nurses, and all those who stay because they have a duty to do so & sacrifice their well being for the better of the community. Instead of casting stones on those who stay behind for whatever reason they may have, say a prayer that they will not have to suffer like so many did not that long ago.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Someone come help us PACK!!!!!!!!!! lol joking but for real GO LSU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

We had Gustav visiting us yesterday. It was bad, indeed. Fortunately, we have in place a system that ensures everyone moves to safer places well in time. The central theme of that system is compassion and fellow-feeling. We help each other to safety, and return home - often to rebuild our lives - when the hurricane has gone.

Posted by: Poor Cuban | August 31, 2008 7:01 AM | Report abuse

epitath for a nations zeal
sowed the seeds for the real
new one world order like from space
no nasty lines
for her figure
to disgrace
no armys
standing
lying
buried
underground
no opposition needed
and never any found
we all must look
out for each other
that's what this lifes about
it's there in the waves cascading
and in the rooftop shout

Posted by: estebanfolsom | August 31, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I am praying for each and everyone that live in NO. I hope each and everyone is safe and has left. Just keep praying for the best and keep GOD first in this matter and always throughout your life.

Posted by: CBC | August 31, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I am sick of being told that I should feel sorry for New Orleans residents. They have had decades of warning that their levee system was inadequate and that the water removal system was not capable of dealing with a breach. Yes San Fran does have earthquakes and they enact building codes and control methods to contain the damage. They don't wait for a massive disaster and then cry for the rest of the country to come in and fix what they should have done years ago.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Americans we save,but the earth,is nothing to this.

Posted by: Bary | September 1, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse

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