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Posted at 5:00 PM ET, 11/21/2008

NBC Fires Weather Channel Environmental Unit

By Andrew Freedman

Some on-camera meteorologists also let go

* New (11/24) commentary: Weather Channel Cuts Earn Mixed Reviews *

NBC Universal made the first of potentially several rounds of staffing cuts at The Weather Channel (TWC) on Wednesday, axing the entire staff of the "Forecast Earth" environmental program during the middle of NBC's "Green Week," as well as several on-camera meteorologists. The layoffs totaled about 10 percent of the workforce, and are among the first major changes made since NBC completed its purchase of the venerable weather network in September.

Keep reading for more on The Weather Channel cuts...

The layoffs affected about 80 people, but left the long-term leadership of the network unclear, according to a source who requested anonymity due to the continuing uncertainty at the station.

Among the meteorologists who was let go was Dave Schwartz, a Weather Channel veteran and a viewer staple due to his lively on camera presentations. USA Today reported that meteorologists Cheryl Lemke and Eboni Deon were also let go.

The timing of the Forecast Earth cancellation was ironic, since it came in the middle of NBC's "Green Week," during which the network has been touting its environmental coverage across all of its platforms. Forecast Earth normally aired on weekends, but its presumed last episode was shown on a weekday due to the environmentally-oriented week.

Forecast Earth was hosted by former CNN anchor Natalie Allen, with contributions from climate expert Heidi Cullen. It was the sole program on TWC that focused on global climate change, which raises the question of whether the station will still report on the subject. Cullen's future role at the network is not known.

NBC released the following statement in response to questions about the firings:

The economic realities of recent months have created challenges for everyone in our business. In addition, when NBC Universal purchased the Weather Channel earlier this year, we expected that there would be cost synergies as part of a company reorganization. While it is always difficult to lose valued employees, we are doing our best to minimize the impact, and remain committed to providing the highest quality content that our viewers have come to expect from the Weather Channel.

By Andrew Freedman  | November 21, 2008; 5:00 PM ET
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Comments

They let Dave Schwartz go? Oh HECK. NO. I have deleted The Weather Channel from the TV lineup. I went into the Menu and hit "delete" on Channel 27. They shot themselves in the foot with that one. Not that I watched TWC much, but I will never watch it again now.

Ron Riley is retiring as of next Friday (so says DCRTV.com)... and now Dave Schwartz, perhaps the best TV meteorologist EVER, gets the boot? Darnit :(

Posted by: weatherdudeVA | November 21, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Well, I am really sorry to see Dave Schwartz go... He is the best! He made weather technology understandable and yet he was funny. Mr. Schwartz is also a great volunteer on the Atlanta charity scene.

Posted by: katylane | November 21, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Dave Schwartz is the best. what are they thinking? remember Paul Kocin? i am so done with twc.

Posted by: deveinmadisonva | November 21, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Never did much care for TWC anyways. NWS > Any Private Sector Meteorology. Always and forever.

Posted by: Havoc737 | November 21, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

NBC would have better served the viewing public if they stopped stupid junkets like Ann Curry's climb to nowhere and kept the TWC environmental team. But oh no. That would have been much too. . . progressive. NBC is trash tv for sure.

Posted by: cymric | November 22, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

No Dave Schwartz...

No Paul Kosin...

No TWC.

Posted by: paulycy | November 22, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Dave, Cheryl & Eboni. You are all a delightful crew.

The Environmental behind-the-scenes crew, you will be missed.
You can take your talents where they will be appreciated.
Now that NBC is in charge, TWC, unfortunately, will only go downhill. It's already obvious online.

Dave, you were unique and enjoyed. All of you were.
Best.

Posted by: Ree8 | November 22, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I never forgave them for Marnie Stanier

Posted by: DrDUH | November 22, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Global Warming finally freezes over. Live by BS, die by BS. The hoax is over!

Posted by: HANK2 | November 22, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

You got rid of Dave Schwarz?!?!?!?!!? You're nuts.

Here's an idea: keep Dave and fire Heidi Cullen. Remember when she wanted meteorologists to lose their certifications for even questioning global warming? Well now, let her lose her job so she can work for the Thought Police full time.

Posted by: klabby | November 22, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

I have watched individuals present the current and forecasted weather for fifty years. I would rank Dave Schwartz clearly as the best professional, presenting weather information to the American public. He is always informative, shows a clear understanding of a vast regime of weather phenomena and presents his views with an energy and cheerfulness rarely found in the profession. Some organization is going to be very lucky...let us hope that place is here in San Francisco. A profound loss for The Weather Channel.
Jim Lovill, PhD, Atmospheric Science

Posted by: Lovillassociates | November 22, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Also, don't even think about getting rid of Nicole Mitchell....not a word of it! :-)

Posted by: klabby | November 22, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Ask me if I care if the Weather Channel goes off the air....

They lost me with the phony and fearmongering "It Could Happen Tomorrow." Never watched the channel again.

It's quite satisfying canceling a channel from ones list of favorites.

Posted by: sidehacker | November 22, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Jim Cantori IS the Weather Channel. They'll do fine without the rest of those flakes. I hope they get that rid of that fearmongering airhead Heidi Cullen. She should have gone first. Give people the weather, not a lot of unproven crap. Good riddance.

Posted by: lutonmoore | November 22, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

they should of fired Meredith Vieira and her crew for interupting the NFL Football game with the foney global warming witch hunt coprolite.

Posted by: bobojake | November 22, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

heidi cullen should get the axe too.

Posted by: 12thgenamerican | November 22, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I vaguely remember this Weather Channel thing. It's still broadcasting? And NBC bought them? There goes the neighborhood!

Posted by: edmorgan1 | November 22, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure why, but Dave Schwartz always caught my attention. He was personable, clear, informed, and cool. What a loss for us. Is TWC to become just another entertainment channel for NBC? Who makes these eccentric decisions? Are they really serious about presenting the weather? I fear not.

Posted by: wteldridge | November 22, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad they finally realized this global warming climate change crap is as fake as their news (so called) broadcasts.
It's great to hear 80 people have to find real work now. I wonder how many of them can actually find a job that requires passing a truth test. Oh yeah ! The Cartoon Channel...
Just wait'll Obama and the rest of the democrats get their hands on DC, Then you'll really see job loss.
Drill Baby Drill , cut taxes and Capitol Gains

Posted by: pane1 | November 22, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I hear Algore is always hiring skilled enviro-hacks.

Posted by: meesterbig | November 22, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Who cares? I'm sick to death of government forcing their incorrect authoritarian agenda of control and dominance on me using global warming as the bait by which I and millions just like me must surrender our freedoms and liberties.

Posted by: eyesjamesq | November 22, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Dr. Cullen should have been the first to go. There is justice in the world to end this global warming hoax. And who would have thought it would be NBc.

Posted by: stever2258 | November 22, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Good rid dins. This is just a Political channel!!!! Climate Change. The earth is always changing!!!!!!

What happened to Global Warming??????

Posted by: ultra1000 | November 22, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

climate expert?? Heidi Cullen?? Ha Ha
climate alarmist Algore syncopate!!!!

Posted by: paulnashtn | November 22, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Please stop calling for Heidi Cullen to be fired. That's not fair.

Instead, if she really cares about the environment (or her vision of it)Heidi should resign out of protest. There's plenty of other jobs, even in Atlanta, probably a pretty good one at CNN feeding Anderson Cooper.

Truth is, I turn off TWC every time Forecast Earth or Cullen shows up. It's just cloying, juvenile, and one-sided. I suspect I am not the only one who does this, and that's what the ratings showed, too.

Pat Michaels
Cato

Posted by: pmichaels1 | November 22, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

The level of ignorance on this comment board is astounding. This was a marketing decision, not a scientific declaration. What the hell is wrong with you people???

Every governmental scientific organization in every major develop nation across the world agrees on two things: Global Warming IS HAPPENING NOW and our CLIMATE is CHANGING because of it.

If you can't tell the difference between climate and weather, consult a dictionary. You wonder why the country's in a mess? Break away from your Fox News for five seconds and look in the goddman mirror.

Posted by: nickmatiella | November 22, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure that Obama and Arnold would interfere if Dr. Heidi Cullen were fired. LOL

Heidi will not go because her political propaganda is important to create business for General Electric which has a large stake in "Climate Change."

AWG is a nonsense.

Posted by: bobby_burk | November 22, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

"The timing of the Forecast Earth cancellation was ironic, since it came in the middle of NBC's "Green Week," during which the network has been touting its environmental coverage across all of its platforms."

Actually, the "Green" in "Green Week" refers to all the money NBC hoped to make by hyping the AGW myth to the naive. In that sense it's "ironic". To those naive enough to believe in AGW (the author?), the there is not "ironic", it is a "coincidence".

Posted by: HughJassPhD | November 22, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

At least TWC has Heather Tesch yet.

Posted by: Flamethrower | November 22, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Did NBC fire some of the climate warming idiots on The Weather Channel? Wow! Great! I'll start watching it again! I just couldn't stand all the fraud about golbal warming they were trying to sell me at every turn of the screw! Wonder what that idiot, Al Gore, thinks about it? I wish someone could fire his ass and kick him off the face of the earth, but that's asking too much I guess.

Posted by: gili4 | November 22, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Outstanding. Death by 1,000 cuts to the MSM.

It's going to be hard to get re-employed in this industry. Lefties will have to retrain to do something useful.

Posted by: ozymandias888 | November 22, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Why not send Dave Cheryl, Eboni and Heidi up to dug out those 200 Whales that are stuck in ice.
I'm tried of hearing global warming tripe. Howard Hoffman we miss you buddy.
Hey if you see Algore tell him I said he's an ice hole.

Posted by: KennyC1 | November 22, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

GE has skin in the game. They make wind turbines--a business that benefits from global warming fear.

Maybe Haliburton can buy CBS.

Posted by: jon15 | November 22, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

The level of ignorance of some posters is astounding. 1. Official temp recording stations have been increasingly urbanized as (warmer) population centers creep into what used to be outlying airports. 2. 1998 "hottest year ever" was false and has been proven so by NASA's own figures. 3. Last month's temp readings out of Russia were duplicates of September readings due to equipment failure (falsely warm) and 4. Global ocean temps have leveled off while global atmospheric temps have declined slightly in the last SEVERAL years. These are the same people who blamed America for global cooling and a threatened ice age back in the early 70's. Even after Mt. Pinatubo belched several years of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere over a couple weeks, most effects were undetectable in less than 2 years. Pollution is real. Manmade global climate change is not. If you want to give up your liberties there are many places on earth where you can do so, but why not leave everyone else alone. That goes for Heidi, too. I'm probably the only endangered species she doesn't mind.

Posted by: AMSSealholder | November 22, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Cullen should have been the first to go. I hope several people I recognized end up in better company.

Bill Lyons

Posted by: wwlyons | November 22, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Finally! Why cant the EnviroCLOWNS admit that man-made Global Warming is a joke? Impossible, you say? Ask NASA about their B.S. "Errors" in calculations the past 5 years. Give me a break...you baboons who believe in Man Made Global Warming need to get a life.

You want the real answer? Its been staring at you each morning since the day you were born. It's the sun. Sun spots have been down...wait, because there will be Global Cooling. It's already happening.

Goodness, are you all that stupid? Do you really think your miserable little existence compared to the Universe really matters? LOL.

Posted by: zap123 | November 22, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Hillarious. I think if anyone wants to say this isn't repudiation of Global Hysteria they need to check the ratings.

nickmatiella get a grip. There has been a petition signed by more than 15,000 scientists disputing your Hoax theory.
NASA has been caught cooking the books twice using the wrong algorithms and repetitive data pools.
You need to research the Maunder minimum of solar activity.
Do you think you can affect the solar flare activity by buying carbon credits?
Do you know that Algore sells himself Carbon Credits? Taking money out of one pocket and putting it back into another.
we tell people that getting a good education will get you better pay and then when somebody gets a degree it suddenly immunizes them from greed? Does a professorship grant the recipient a halo?infalibility?
Like I said get a grip.

Posted by: theunbubba | November 22, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to AMSsealerholder for putting the wood to mr. Matiella, who spouts conventional, uncritical, a-scientific nonsense.

Governmental orgs are unanimous about global warming? And when was the last time they were neutral ond objective about anything? PICK A TOPIC.

The Mindless Matiellas of the world need a good kick in the cerebral cortex. Stop parotting, get yourself a scientific education, and start thinking for yourself.

Posted by: jelink | November 22, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

nickmatiella - WOW!!! Anyone who knows anything about the geological history of the Earth and it's climate knows that Global Warming is a crock of S*&^. Ask the people in Eastern Europe how that Global Warming thing is going for them. They're hunkering down for the coldest winter in recorded history! lol

Side note - I worked for the company that produced It could happen tomorrow, and it's not phony. They are all situations that could occur. In fact, the reason it got picked up is the pilot episode was what would happen if a Category 3+ hurricane hit New Orleans. They shot it in April, editing was done in May/June... a few months later Katrina hit. They got picked up but lost the episode for the season, later turning it into it's own special.

Either way, I think it's hilarious that the Global Warming protest got snowed out this year/has been snowed out before. If these people were a bit smarter you'd think they'd choose a hotter month to make their case.

Posted by: ladytraveler18 | November 22, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Wow...imagine that. Layoff employees of a global warming centered program. Could be because the sensible majority don't really believe in that nonsense.....not man caused, anyway. I'm sure that Al Gore is really disappointed. Too bad.
Try reporting the weather without the enviromental brainwashing propaganda.

Posted by: longnedf | November 22, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

No... not Cheryl. That woman has been nothing but utterly professional during her entire tenure at TWC. The whole fiasco with Bob Stokes and TWC's management wasn't bad enough.. now we have NBC irrationally giving free "turkeys" to some of their best on-air meteorologists. Thanks. I immediately have no motivation to watch TWC, so you might as well continue dismantling it. Best of luck to you, Cheryl, as well as the dozens of other folks caught up in NBC's tornado.

Posted by: scottith | November 22, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

The stopped using the term Global Warming. Now they use Climate Change to cover themselves should we have cooling.

Posted by: dencal26 | November 22, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

They should have fired Heidi Cullen, then I would have started to watch TWC again. She is about as analytical and objective as Krazy Keith on MSNBC.

Posted by: prattsr1 | November 22, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Did you notice that Al Gore rejected the "Climate Czar" post in the Obama administration? It looks like the USS AGW is sinking and the rats are jumping ship.

Posted by: HughJassPhD | November 22, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Someone still watches the Weather Channel?

Posted by: spnkybnky | November 22, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Sad to see good people lose their jobs. Some such as Scwartz were super. Others were insufficiently critical of "general opinion" and could not distinguish between weather (a variable local and regional phenomenon)and climate, a complex geophysical phenomenon. Jacques Kozub

Posted by: JJKozub | November 22, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

What's for TWC? The hippy, dippy weatherman?

Posted by: jbcausa | November 22, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

As long as they fire the pretty blonde female with the lucious mammaries.

Posted by: davebarnes | November 22, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

nickmatiella said:
"If you can't tell the difference between climate and weather, consult a dictionary." BTW, Nick, what's a "goddman mirror."?
I think the nurse failed to administer your meds boy. Back to your coloring book and Cartoon Network.


Posted by: USN_CPO | November 23, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

None of this is surprising. John Coleman's dream died decades ago, and it appears that by eliminating key talent such as Dr. Kocin and Dave Schwartz, the goal of a complete weather "dumb-down" is complete.

As for the environmental unit... Hey, the election is over. As Bush 43 said on the carrier, "Mission Accomplished" They have their man in place to enact global warming legislation now. Once the environmental regulations are in place, then you'll be watching stories about how global warming is reversing itself. A self fulfilling prophecy!

When NBC purchased TWC, my initial thoughts were positive, based upon the dismal leadership of the Landmark Executives. While the future may indeed be better for the channel without idiots from Norfolk calling the shots, NBC is off to a poor start for axing Dave Schwartz.

NBC should hire John Coleman as a consultant, instead of relying on focus group data implemented by sales and marketing dullards who lack a clear understanding of their own resources, content, and with the axing of Schwartz, talent.

Oh well, at least we have the internet.

Posted by: AMS-NWAMember | November 23, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

NBC should consult the internet for "Petition to the Government" and "Manhattan Resolution" to read the names of 31,000 scientists (9,000 PhD's among them) who signed these documents affirming tha human activities have no influence on global climate. Globaloney warming is a huge socialist hoax just like globaloney cooling some 30-odd years ago (Dr. Hansen, Algore's main guru "predicted" both).

Posted by: jrc_mrc | November 23, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

They could not can Alexandra "I have a fake and bake tan" because she was on maternity leave. I wonder if that is Jim Cantore's love child?

As for Dave Schwartz - big mistake made by TWC and NBC. He was a class act. He made weather reporting fun and actually had a personality. SHAME ON NBC!!! SHAME ON NBC!!! The network has gone to H!!!.

Posted by: stinkerflat1 | November 23, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Bring back Marny Stanier!

Posted by: jpturnm | November 23, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

I hope accuweather goes on TV. May GE sell all its business and have nobody left but corporate lawyers.

Posted by: jpturnm | November 23, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

GREAT!!! Now if the Auto companies can follow suit we will be good. DID YOU KNOW THAT THE AVERAGE SALARY FOR A United Auto Workers (UAW) union member salary is $130K? JESUS CHRIST!!!

Posted by: xinunus | November 23, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

GREAT!!! Now if the Auto companies can follow suit we will be good. DID YOU KNOW THAT THE AVERAGE SALARY FOR A United Auto Workers (UAW) union member salary is $130K? JESUS CHRIST!!!

Posted by: xinunus | November 23, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Good Riddance to the Weather Channel!!!
They have become way too political and theatrical....................how can anyone believe or trust what they say. And they programs were so
idiotic!!! Only a moron would trust their weather forecasts!!!

Posted by: GoldTmmys | November 23, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Not surprising! I knew when the announcement was initially made that GE was buying the Weather Channel that GE's intent was to push some stupid social environmental agenda into the Weather Channel and the hell with focusing on weather!

GE wonders why its stock is down to $12 a share!! I am getting sick of that company pushing social agendas down the American Peoples' throats like what we see at NBC, for example. Issues that are not even relevant to their core business or the interest of the American Consumer. Like eliminating incandescent light bulbs. What nut job decided this was to go and bring in poisonous flourescent bulbs that are so uncomfortable to work under.

Way to go GE, you destroy just about everything that is good about America. Your actions at the Weather Channel are just another example. I would expect to now see the Weather Channel turned into some environmental platform to push this stupid Global Warming garbage. Rather than just being experts at weather,they want to use the platform for their socialist agenda.

Good God! No more GE products for me, thanks...but NO THANKS!

Posted by: cw_333badcc | November 23, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

NBC will drive TWC into the ground like their own network with decisions like letting "The Man" Dave Schwartz go.
Totally agree that Heidi Cullen should go.
Dave will have no problem naming his ticket elseswhere. TWC is done!

Posted by: disgusted8 | November 23, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Let's see now.....NBC has already screwed up the SciFi channel. James Brolen? Reality shows? Re runs of Lost? May as well screw up the weather channel. Imagine, NBC screws up the weather! You wouldn't think that was possible. GE? Gee.

Posted by: blpross | November 23, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Glad to see "Forecast Earth" getting the axe. When I turn to the Weather Channel, I want to see the current weather, not some slick enviro-mercial or education program.

But getting rid of Dave Schwartz and Cheryl Lemke? They were the heart and soul of the weather channel (behind Jim Cantori, of course).

I met Cheryl Lemke and Dave Schwartz at a weather conference in Atlanta a few years back...class acts both of them. Best of luck to both of you.

The Weather Channel needs to get back to personable meteorologists delivering the weather. This latest news is a case of "one step forward, two steps back"...

Posted by: avwxman | November 23, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

NO! Not Dave Schwartz! Who next, Mr. Cantore? Where is Dave Schwartz going and when will he get there? What is his email address?

Posted by: thewashingtonpostee | November 23, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

Oh come on this should be named "Everything BUT the Weather Channel". I haven't been able to watch it because they spend 1/3 the time on graphics telling you it's the weather channel and 1/3 of the time introducing each other all the time. WHO CARES what their names are - just just put it at the bottom fo the screen.

And all those other ridiculous segments - you can never find out what the forecast is unless you go on line.

And Jim Cantori - YUK!

Posted by: IlonaE | November 23, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

TWC? It' still around? I hate to see Dave and Cheryl let go......Come up with something fresh NBC. TWC is stale....

Posted by: govteach51 | November 23, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Dave sent me a signed photo.

Haven't seen him for a few months on TWC.

He's the best.

He is TWC.

He doesn't deserve this.

He is the epitome of smoothness & class.

Hope he lands on his feet @a major mkt. or cable station.

Posted by: JackAllen1 | November 23, 2008 1:59 AM | Report abuse

Can you say....ACCUWEATHER!!!!!

http://www.accuweather.com

DUMP The Weather Channel!!!!

Posted by: bubba15 | November 23, 2008 2:03 AM | Report abuse

Dave Schwartz is the most interesting, the most informative, and the most real weatherman/metereologist out there in the weather world. Anyone who's seen him over the years at The Weather Channel knows how uniquely talented he is. NBC made a really bad choice.

Even though Dave Schwartz will probably have many offers lined up after TWC ,I'd love to see him end up on one of the morning network news shows. He would great there too.

We'll miss him.

Posted by: fsdy | November 23, 2008 2:05 AM | Report abuse

Man causes a small portion of global climate change by virtue of his existance and sometimes abuse of the planets resources, but far from the hysterical levels forecast by the BS artist and global warming guru Al Gore. Any who bought into his hysteria and propogated it, is responsible for junk science, and should be fired. Carbon credits are the same as junk bonds, with the same level of honesty behind them. Sure, we need to improve the efficiency of our use of non renewable resources, and explore and innovate without bankrupting the worlds' economy with the application of junk science. Anyone who juggled the books should be banished to the artic circle, if not sued, after all, it is going to be really warm up there. Besides, isn't it agaisnt the law to cry fire in a crowded theater.

Posted by: sniper609 | November 23, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse

TWC's "behind the scenes" forecasting staff is actually top-notch. They better not fire Matt Crowther or my old friend Jim Wilson. Stu can go back to waiting tables in State College, though ;)

E

Posted by: AMS-NWAMember | November 23, 2008 2:12 AM | Report abuse

May the Schwartz be wit ya!

Posted by: TomB3 | November 23, 2008 2:22 AM | Report abuse

What the heck? Dave Schwartz was my favorite OCM!

Oh well. The Weather Channel hasn't been worth watching in years. They might as well rename it The Outdoors Channel For Those Who Dont Hunt Or Fish. It's just a lifestyles network now. And the environmental programming is ridiculous. How is a ten minute long PSA for recycling related to global warming?

Cheryl Lemke and Dave were probably let go because they still believes in the purpose and profitability of the OLD Weather Channel format.....I never saw much of Eboni Deon- she was hired after I already stopped being a TWC fan- but I'd assume it was the same for her.

TWC has fallen so far.... CNN, Fox, and MSNBC....even my local affiliates....have better coverage during hurricane season, it seems. And they're all terrible. I'd love to see one of the big three news networks hire Dave Schwartz and give him a real outlet for his knowledge, communication, and teaching skills. Well, maybe not MSNBC. I wonder whose heads will roll next....how many are left that still contain meteorology degrees?

Posted by: denisondelivery | November 23, 2008 2:51 AM | Report abuse

Dave, Cheryl and Eboni must have refused to bleach their hair, the only obvious requirement for meteorology, aside from extra-tight face-lifts, like Rich Johnson's. Watch out Paul Goodloe and Kevin Robinson! You're next.

TWC has become a complete farce.

Posted by: jpfannen | November 23, 2008 3:14 AM | Report abuse

Heidi Cullen as a climate expert? Her Ph D. is in Easter Religions, which I suppose qualifies her to talk about global warming...... Haven't been able to trust TWC since they lurched off in the direction of the AGW mythology.

Posted by: abclarke | November 23, 2008 3:29 AM | Report abuse

Bring back Dave Scwartz and get rid of that idiot, dictator-wanna-be Heidi Cullen

Posted by: joeblnk | November 23, 2008 3:44 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe they let Dave Schwartz go!!! He was great. They can Dave and keep that alarmist Heidi Cullen, unbelievable.

Posted by: tcdifla | November 23, 2008 4:51 AM | Report abuse

They fire Dave and keep Stephanie Abrams?
That go getter wannabe should have been
the first to go. I remember her live
during some hurricane where she was on the
beach with microphone in hand going off
about some people on the beach with her and
the audacity of those people being there.
She was the "Professional" and how dare they
take "their" life in their hands!! I couldn't
stand the sight of her after that. What a
jerk. So she stays and Dave goes.
Well I'm done with the weather
channel now too. I can't stand most of
the rest of the weather camera hogs
left, Jim Cantori is a strange one. A
"jock" weatherman? Come on. Give us a break.
These people have turned the weather
info into a camera hog show about them.
Thank God for NOAA. Which I hear they are
lobbying the government to get rid of. God
help us if they win that one.

Posted by: Fahrion | November 23, 2008 6:16 AM | Report abuse

What is this uproar? The "Global Warming" hoax is a political money grab. It has been exposed as such and TWC spent all of their time trying to attach "global warming" to every weather anomaly that occurred. It is nice to see some of these "fakers" being sent to pasture. NBC and most other media outlets should do more to expose the fraud than to give it legs. It's political BS, not "global warming" or "climate change".

Posted by: prutah64923 | November 23, 2008 6:23 AM | Report abuse

Typical corporate stupidity. They fired
everyone making a high salary, I imagine.
I've loathed TWC for the last 15 years.
Switch to Accuweather. The only good news is that the robots that fired everyone will get fired themselves next year. Cheers.

Posted by: ComeWithUs | November 23, 2008 6:23 AM | Report abuse

The best thing TWC ever did was to cut Cullen!

There was just a huge overabundance of mere OPINION getting expressed as 'factual information' for the gullible public. This was agenda, pushing propaganda!

Some VERY disgusting stuff, and responsible for driving me away from TWC a couple years back.

I may watch TWC once in a while again.

Posted by: bigpat1 | November 23, 2008 6:57 AM | Report abuse

Who cares.

Posted by: searcher82 | November 23, 2008 6:59 AM | Report abuse

Dave Schwartz has been a staple in my family for many years..as has Cheryl Lemke. They let the two most qualified, professional and personable folks go!? Give me a break. Fine, weather channel. I have a favorites menu on my satellite and you will promptly be gone. I hope that Dave and Cheryl find prominent work on a nationwide telecast somewhere. They are too good to be treated this way. I am appalled and disappointed that two fine meteorologists got the shaft this way. Way to go NBC. First your network channel sucks, then you destroyed MSNBC by becoming the liberal hack channel run by looney Keith Olbermann, and now this? Nice way to destroy whatever credibility you had. I hope you drown and fail!

Posted by: schnowzerz | November 23, 2008 7:01 AM | Report abuse

Pity they ditched Schwartz, but it sounds like they can get by without most of the rest of those guys. People watch TWC to find out if it's gonna rain next weekend, not for their lame half-hour 'weather-related journalism' shows.

Posted by: CppThis | November 23, 2008 7:06 AM | Report abuse

NBC should have canned the hold phony "Weather" Channel! Never watch it...but skip over it on my way to one of the rare worthwhile channels on US TV. What a waste. Advice like "wear a jacket" to adults! And when they began their PC mission of promulgating GW ignorance they did a disservice to all viewers...at least those few who weren't watching Obama strut.

Posted by: scientist2200 | November 23, 2008 7:06 AM | Report abuse

What has Al Gore said about this?

The nerve............

Posted by: allenridge | November 23, 2008 7:13 AM | Report abuse

"Every governmental scientific organization in every major develop nation across the world agrees on two things: Global Warming IS HAPPENING NOW and our CLIMATE is CHANGING because of it.

If you can't tell the difference between climate and weather, consult a dictionary. You wonder why the country's in a mess? Break away from your Fox News for five seconds and look in the goddman mirror."
________________________________________

I do believe somone is drinking the Kool Aid and wearing blinders. If you would simply quit praying to your ALgore god long enough, you would see that there is plenty of dissent amongst highly qualified scientist to the contrary. There would be many more dissenters if the risk of being branded a "heritic" by the GW Inquisition (and therefore blackballed)wasn't such an absolute. GW is not about science. It's not about truth. It's about political power. There is and are billions of dollars to be made off the Global Warming hype. Just look at Britains taxation policies and the burdens it places on it's citizens and business all in the name of Global Warming. If this was truely a scientific endevour, there would be room for different viewpoints. There isn't.
YOU are a prime example of why this cannot be discussed scientifically. Amongst all the people here criticizing the concept of GW, YOU are the first to paint all that do not agree with YOU as "IGNORANT". Not suprising-- not at all. Expected really-- what took you so long? We were beginning to wonder! Congratulations!

Posted by: wozerd | November 23, 2008 7:16 AM | Report abuse

If I'm not mistaken, Cheryl Lemke has been at TWC since the beginning.

Dave Scwartz is a long term OCM. I liked him.

They should start the Weather Undergound.

Posted by: grunk | November 23, 2008 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Mostly personal, but I particularly hate to see Cheryl go. She started her career in Terre Haute, IN and was a real class act in a small, rural market. She never got enough air time on TWC. If there is any justice, she will get picked up by another network or major station.

Posted by: Tregonsee | November 23, 2008 7:20 AM | Report abuse

TWC had turned into the commercial channel. There were more ads per hour than any other cable station (other than infomercials).

It IS curious that they were too liberal for the "slightly left of center" NBC (with our President-Elect now defining the new center). Still, they kept some of the professionals like Cantori. NBC has a competing weather channel. Do they now think they can control the weather by controlling our information about it? Let's see, they kept the fraudulent liar Heidi Cullen. NOT a PhD in meteorolgy, BTW, but a philosopher! Talk about a take over by the intellectual elite! Do not worry about these lazy liberals, they will be well taken care of by the next administration in Washington DC for their loyalty to the lies thought up by Al Gore. Working people will pay for them to sit on their rear ends and write "books" on it. Good riddance.

Posted by: DrBob3 | November 23, 2008 7:30 AM | Report abuse

Carbon Credits are to the Global Warming Cult what Indulgences were to the Catholic Church. If we were cooling off as a planet, could you trust the main stream media to warn us? Thank goodness some people are still trained in critical thinking and not just university brainwashed Obamatards.

Posted by: unclekirby2 | November 23, 2008 7:30 AM | Report abuse

Outstanding, they could not have fire a bigger pack of left wing wack jobs. I may even start watching the weather channel again, but first I'll have to figure out what channel it is on, it's been that long since I watch that dribble

Posted by: paulscipio | November 23, 2008 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Isn't it amazing what "The Drudge Report" does for participation on this site!!

Posted by: AugustaJim | November 23, 2008 7:36 AM | Report abuse


Heidi need to go. If I need that kind of expertise, I will consult a Third Grade teacher.

Posted by: comments2 | November 23, 2008 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Did the NBC and GE executives give up their priviledges of flying in corporate jets and first class before they fired the Weather Channel people?

Posted by: jimity | November 23, 2008 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Next to Al Gore, Heidi Cullen is the planet's most shameless propagandist for the big lie of global warming. Maybe she can get a job reading the National Weather Service forecasts at the public access channel in Boise.

Posted by: soulmeld | November 23, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

This is the best news this week. I have no sympathy for the Weather Channel which has basically turned into a shill for Gore style Global Warming alarmism. With fewer staff it will do less damage to the world economy. Good riddance.

Get a clue NBC. If I want a weather report for my area or another I can pop up the internet and there it is. If I want to listen to propaganda why would I sit through and listen to your adverts to do it? Hopefully the "News" division is not far away from finding honest work as well.

Posted by: DaMav | November 23, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Global Warming is a HOAX!! Only liberals would be arrogant enough to think they can affect climate and everything else. If they were so smart they'd already have figured out a way to direct tornados only to property owned by conservatives. Fools! This "Green" movement is nothing more than a way for a few influential blowhards like the Goreical, to suck money from government and the average citizen to enrich themselves. The only green that metters to all these frauds, including NBC, is the green color of money!!

Posted by: yankee11 | November 23, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Why is Heidi Cullen still there?

She has ruined TWC.

I stopped watching because of her ridiculous global-warming tripe.

She needs to hit the street.

It would be good for her to have to earn an honest living for once.

Posted by: discount | November 23, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

The "Green Week" has nothing to do with enviroment..it's about money!

It's real funny though that when it's a 130 degrees in the desert during the Summer somehow we need to send money to Washington,but all they will do is be Peripatetic and spend money on socially controlling people...BUT WHEN WINTER HITS THESE PEOPLE TEND TO SHUT THE FUG UP!..WHICH MAKES SENSE,GLOBAL WARMING IS FUGGING SEASONAL!!!...IT'S KINDA HARD TO RUN THIS SH;T UP OUR A** WHEN WE ARE FREEZING!!!

Posted by: Kelly26 | November 23, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

I stopped watching TWC regularly when Cullen went on her global warming tirade about meteorologist that don't support global warming. And for the foolishness of those who are trying to separate weather, from climate they are partners people. What affects climate...weather. A front comes through and the temperature rises or falls. Climate change is the essence of our world or else we would still be sitting in the ice age. Yes we need to take care of our environment, but no we aren't responsible for the warming since the ice age. Happened without us and without
the forecast earth drivel on TWC. I hope they get back to reporting the weather, I'll watch more. Also, fire Cullen bring back schwartz.

Posted by: go2theant | November 23, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Good grief, they KEPT the notorious fearmonger and Gore cultist Cullen???? Obviously some executives should get the axe as well for making a stupid decision like that. No wonder Zogby found the networks have no credibility left.

Posted by: DaMav | November 23, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Heidi Cullen lost her credibility when she got politics confused with the weather (and decided to shove it down everyone else's throat).

I am completely convinced that she can't see the difference.

That is what killed TWC for me.

She is the one who should have her credentials revoked.

Capitalism is a very powerful thing. If you can't pay the bills, the system stops.

Heidi's misconceptions about politics and the weather choked Forecast Earth to death. Too bad it took some good people with it.

Heidi needs to go!

Heidi, earn an honest living - like the rest of us! Getting paid to spew your political agenda is dishonest.

Posted by: discount | November 23, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Where were those full length camera shots back when Kristina Abernathy used to be so incredibly HOT? Check her old videos from 10 years on YouTube. She was incredible!

Posted by: jcw3 | November 23, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Oh Please tell me that Heidi Cullen got the axe as well!!! I'm sorry to say folks, but for someone who has a "Ph.d" can be that ill-informed, or more to the point, a "rock" about the nature of recent climate events where the correlation between solar output and temperature have shown links... frankly she's been quite silent as of late since the recent Solar Minimum has been the the most quiet since sunspot activity was recorded. Frankly, I think she saw an opportunity to jump on the Al Gore bandwagon and cash in rather than address the facts. Hmm.. 1998 was the hottest year...that same year was the most active for solar storms, which even knocked out satellites and some power grids... these last two years... coldest temps... and not a single sunspot on the disk... could their be a connection?? Ya Think? DUH!

Posted by: Rightshift | November 23, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Two points on this post:

"Every governmental scientific organization in every major develop nation across the world agrees on two things: Global Warming IS HAPPENING NOW and our CLIMATE is CHANGING because of it.

If you can't tell the difference between climate and weather, consult a dictionary. You wonder why the country's in a mess? Break away from your Fox News for five seconds and look in the goddman mirror."

________________________________________

First, it's YOU who are confusing issues - you are confusing leftist politics and the weather.

Just to help you keep up with current events - sun spot activity is down and the Earth is GETTING COLDER!

Second, Fox's ratings are going UP, not down. They're paying their bills. It's TWC that isn't. Deal with it.

It's obviously tough for you to deal with reality. I hope this helps.

Posted by: discount | November 23, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

As long as I get my morning fix of Heather and Nicole, I'm a happy man. Marshall Seece has the greatest gig in the world.
Dave Schwartz, admittedly an acquired taste, won me over. One of the few TWC personalities with a 'personality' and he's gone?? Well, what do you expect from the company that's already fired Jay Leno? What the hell, he's only been kicking Letterman's liberal ass for years now.
"Philly" Dave Schwartz, stay well, bro !
Oh, and Betty Davis is a fox!

Posted by: muskratinator | November 23, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Heidi Cullen should have been the first to go. Her fascist approach to the Global Warming Scam has no place in weeather (or any other form of) reporting.

Posted by: Americanus | November 23, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

The more global warming the better. More people die from the cold and the effects of cold weather than they ever do from warm weather.

Posted by: blooker681 | November 23, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

I agree with those citing the unwanted, agenda-driven propaganda on TWC.

But the reason I stopped watching TWC years ago is simply this. They barely give the weather forecasts for the nation anymore.

I was traveling last week and wanted to see the weather back home. All I saw was continual jabbering about the northeast and the strip across the bottom for local weather. Useless.

Before they went down the propaganda route, one could get the nation's weather every 15 minutes.

The XM radio in my rental car gave me better weather information.

PS: I predict TWC will really be jabbering about the northeast when we get an ass-ripping cold winter in a few months. That's why "global warming" jabber is replace by "climate change." It ain't warming.

Posted by: freeid | November 23, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Ok, let's see. It is November 23 and I am sitting in front of my computer somewhere in Maryland and my bare feet are a block of ice because it is 20 DEGREES OUTSIDE! You enviro-nuts are just that: CRAZY! Global Warming??? What the hell is that? Oh, excuse me, WHERE the hell is that? I could certainly use some of it for my feet right about now.

Posted by: daveblack587 | November 23, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

I won't miss Forecast Earth propaganda but I hope the other cuts are not because of age discrimination. The TV industry likes to report on stuff like that except when it concerns themselves.
Bring the founder of the Weather Channel back.

Posted by: theInnerCircle | November 23, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Wrngle said:

This cable channel began its pathway to irrelevance when its founder, John Coleman, a true meteorological scientist instead of a talking head with an agenda, cashed out.

Excellent point wrngle.

I agree wholeheartedly. Cullen should have never been given carte blanche to steer TWC hard left.

Posted by: discount | November 23, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Yes. It was a business decision. Every time Dr. Heide Cullen spouted her BS, millions of viewers changed channels.

Posted by: rat_race_escapee | November 23, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

You can tell that this global warming scam is a religon to the left. the language andintesity in thier statements. this is what happens when religon is banned, people become supersticious. new england just 10,000 years ago was covered in over 300 feet of ice. the earth changed, not because of humans. even today over %90 of carbon is from decaying plant matter. we are so insifnificant, but the lefties can't acept that. the planets temps are down over last 5 years and it is in direct relation to the solar flare cycles . global warming is not a religon, think rationally

Posted by: ishka4me2 | November 23, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

When mother passed away I killed her satallite service. After three weeks I found my self whistling and that shocked me! MOM is dead - and I'm happy?

All of a sudden 2+2 made sense! Unwittingly I had killed all those voices telling me I was sick and then selling me their solution to the sickness! I had killed PEST-A-MISM and DECEPTIONS!!

Try it folks! Starting and ending your days with joy and happiness!! WOW!
MOM'S TV MAY WELL HAVE SHORTENED HER LIFE!!

Posted by: TENNESSEEOBSERVER | November 23, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Great... I've had about enough of the gloom and doom the earth is boiling B.S., I watch the weather channel for the weather, not the left wing politics.

Posted by: mongo864 | November 23, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Dave Schwartz had the most amazing ability to get your attention - Draw you and hold you to the channel while he presented his observations. When I passed through TWC to check channels, He was always able to make me stop and listen. I am disappointed but not surprised by this really bad personnel decision. Obviously something is going on behind the scenes that doesn't factor in job effectiveness.

Posted by: jonboat | November 23, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Global warming is the gift that keeps on giving. It gave us that brainless twit called Heidi and then took her away. Make no mistake, the global warming hoax will not stand. Al Gore and his financial partners in crime are well known. They have already made millions from the scam, but no more. Now we need to get rid of other self described global warming mythologists at NASA that cooked the books on global temperature change. However, we must be alert now that it has been proven the earth is going through a cyclical cooling phase. The ice age fanatics will rear their ugly heads. Erlich watch begins!

Posted by: oscar349 | November 23, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

"Cost synergies"? What a meathead.

Posted by: MrCleaveland | November 23, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

THIS IS JUST ANOTHER WAY TO PREVENT THE PEOPLE FROM KNOWNING THE FACTS ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING. IT HAS BEEN REPORTED, IT IS CAUSED BY SUN SPOTS. NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING MAN DOES ON THIS PLANET. THAT WAS REPORTED ON THE TWC. I STOPPED WATCHING NBC SEVERAL YEARS AGO. I HOPE I DON'T HAVE TO STOP WATCHING TWC DUE TO NEO-DEMO PROPAGANDA. BUT, WITH DAVE SCHWARTS GONE, I MAY STOP WATCHING ANYWAY. I WON'T BE LED BY THE NOSE AS SOME WOULD LIKE.

Posted by: ACarterSr2004 | November 23, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

I stopped watching the Weather Channel when they strayed from hard science and started preaching from the Global Warming alter. I like my religion in synagogue, my politics on Fox, and my weather with the good ole National Weather Service.

Posted by: BaseballFan | November 23, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

The Weather Channel was one of the few reasons I still watched TV, having given up on broadcast news about 10 years ago and TV's "entertainment" shows even earlier. I guess it's about time to go 100% Internet.

Posted by: tadchem | November 23, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

If even NBC will no longer buy into the Man Made Global warming scam, it must be a real looser. No longer any profit in it.

Global Warming Fatigue has long set in for folks who understand the level of fraud involved. It will set in for the rest some time after The Obama Nation gets going

Posted by: commboss | November 23, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

The only reason I watch the weather channel is for the weather on the "8"s. The rest is irrelevant chatter from some not so interesting talking heads. ADC.com is my favorite site on the net for weather..No nonsense or politics..Just the forecast..Please

Posted by: wstrnmn | November 23, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

In celebration of the layoffs at the WC - I am burning old car tires and motor oil this morning.

Posted by: thorium908 | November 23, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

rat race escapee said:

Yes. It was a business decision. Every time Dr. Heide Cullen spouted her BS, millions of viewers changed channels.

I agree wholeheartedly, escapee.

Capitalism rocks!

BTW, I am out of the rat race as well - thanks to Kiyosaki.

Posted by: discount | November 23, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I hate it when anyone loses a job, but somewhere, TWC founder meteoroligist John Coleman, who last year described global warming as a "total scam," must be smiling a little. I'm not saying I've never bought into something I later regretted -- we probably all have on some level. But it's really amazing what kind of crap many people will fall for.

Posted by: SCMark | November 23, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Vastly increasing electric rates by taxing coal-burning power plants ("cap and trade") and switching to natural gas as a fuel source will be the last nail in the coffin for the economy. Incidentally, population increase will offset any minute decrease in CO2 production as a result of cap and trade policies.

Posted by: federale | November 23, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

thorium said:

In celebration of the layoffs at the WC - I am burning old car tires and motor oil this morning.


Burn some for me!

Since the planet is getting colder, we need to warm this sucker up!

The future of human existence could depend on it!

Posted by: discount | November 23, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I burn tires and oil all the time. Just returning to the earth that which came from the earth.

Posted by: TraditionalJeff | November 23, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Have you noticed the new more digestible term "Climate Change" has replaced the apocalyptic term "Global Warming". Going green is a multi-billion dollar industry ready to exploit the world, (just as Al Gore). Man-made global warming is a myth, so why have an entire crew of windbags to tell us about something that doesn't exist? Sorry you lost your jobs, but try advancing in a more honest field.

Posted by: Superpower | November 23, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

People should put the blame on NBC's demise squarely where it belongs: At the feet of it's chairman, Jeff Zucker.

He's a left-wing Obama-Bot who is running the entire company straight into the ground.

More proof that you shouldn't send a boy to do a man's job...

Posted by: beatenvalve | November 23, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

maybe if they would start printing the truth, instead of one way reporting, of the leftist one way owned news, they would start making some money. people are on to there lies now. the news printed is like a communist country,brainwashing.

Posted by: MichaelColeman1 | November 23, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I stopped watching the weather channel when I heard Heidi Cullen's political views on climate change. If they fired her and go back to sticking to the weather, I will watch it again. It is now clear that man made climate change is becoming more dubious and I predict by 2015, the entire human caused warming hysteria will be replaced by fears of a global climate cooling which will be far more dangerous for the earth than warming ever was.

Posted by: ballen1 | November 23, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

what happened to global warming. it frezzing her in fl.a week before thanksgiving. guess twc was wrong again,

Posted by: dittb | November 23, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

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Please be respectful in your comments. Comments which resort to name-calling, racial/ethnic slurs, and/or include profanity will be unpublished.

Posted by: Jason-CapitalWeatherGang | November 23, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

if WNBC want to survive they must bring back HODDIE DOODY

Posted by: dittb | November 23, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

All you have to do to debunk "global warming" is look at an almanac for record high temperatures. Many were set in the 1930's and have yet to be broken. And if it is getting so hot, why has it been 20 degrees below normal for most of this November in my state of Kentucky? It was 16 degrees 2 nights ago. Heidi Cullen needed to go. She was just another pimp in tight pants. So sorry about Cheryl Lemke. I guess she wasn't enough of a tart to make it on NBC.

Posted by: postinpossum | November 23, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Why did the underlings have to take the axe first?

Heidi's leadership is the problem.

Why is SHE still there?

I'm hoping she gets fired and moves over to the NYT. She could be instrumental in helping to finish them off.

Go Heidi!

Posted by: discount | November 23, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

NBC is going to have Keith Olbermann start doing the weather.

Posted by: meenink | November 23, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Great, so we can not only blame NBC Universal for the recession, but also environmental strife as well. Good going, NBC. Firstly, I noticed "green week," and thought it was a shallow crock; but thanks NBC mgmt for deftly proving my pessimism! Thanks for demonstrating that "green week," and in sum the entire voice and tone of your media is thoughtless and pathetic. NBC "Green week" just needed measure of corporate idiocy and greed to prove its sad provenance. Is this supposed to be a joke, because that would be funny.

Posted by: andybrooksny | November 23, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

what happened to the edwards cheating story ? how about the mayor of detroit facing over 20 felonies ? how about the worlds biggest scam ? the lying gore with his global warming hoax. why are all of obamas files closed ? i can go on for days.people know the news is b.s. and one sided ! and thats why fox is becoming or is number one. it doesn't have to be.

Posted by: MichaelColeman1 | November 23, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

report real news ! not what soros tells ya to print.

Posted by: MichaelColeman1 | November 23, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

maybe if they would start printing the truth, instead of one way reporting, of the leftist one way owned news, they would start making some money. people are on to there lies now. the news printed is like a communist country,brainwashing.

Posted by: MichaelColeman1 | November 23, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

It is encouraging to see NBC recognize that most folks view global warming "crisis" as the hoax it is, and discontinued the hockey stick farce... if TWC would focus on the in three to five days, and get that right, i might start to believe their long term forcasts.. now, if government would also end the farce, our economy might have a chance to recover.. Heidi? ding dong the witch is dead... 12 degrees F this morning here in Maine.. in November!.. have you checked your sun spots and solar cycle lately?

Posted by: RealityBasedEngineer | November 23, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

The moment I heard of Heidi Cullen's edict that all scientists who disagree with her be decertified, I permanently removed TWC from my channel rotation.

I'm kinda surprised to see them let her go, what with them being left-wing MSNBC ideologues and all.

Posted by: TheMSMControlsUs | November 23, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Hey Heidi, I don't know whether you're keeping up with current events or not, but I'd say the response is fairly unanimous...

We'd all go back to watching TWC IF YOU WERE GONE!

You are the reason TWC has lost market-share.

TWC is a GREAT IDEA that was taken over by the WRONG PEOPLE.

Capitalism is speaking.

Lemke and Schwartz aren't the problem, Cullen is.

Posted by: discount | November 23, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone still actually watch NBC, TWC or for that matter any network television anymore? I sure don't. I agree with Semper Fi above. Most of what's on is crud aimed at the dumbing down of America.

Posted by: RhodeIslandRed1 | November 23, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Heidi Cullen drank the Al Gore Kool-Aid on climate change a long time ago. Her comments about global warming are stupid. When will people realize global warming hysteria is not scientific study, it is pure political garbage. Someone at NBC has a brain.

Posted by: quickshole | November 23, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Everyone needs to keep in mind that now that Obama has been elected, the media will climb down from the Global Warming Hoax. If the country followed the recommendations of Cullen or Gore, it would destroy the economy -- and we can't have that on Dear Leader's watch.

Posted by: TheMSMControlsUs | November 23, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

If the planet TRULY IS warming, then how come over the last thirty years you can't grow oranges in Florida north of Orlando?!

IT'S CALLED THE SUN STOOPIT! The Earth has been heating and cooling for tens of thousands of years, and yet Algoron thinks that man is "destroying the Planet" and raising the temp by .. OHMYGAWD! .. a little less than one-degree. Well, we might as well all do a "Jim Jones" and just end our lives now!

Maybe NBS realizes that (manmade) "Global Warming" is a hoax designed to pry more money from YOUR wallet and drop into Algoron's! I mean, the guy who couldn't win an election has found a way to at least fool SOME people into thinking he's relevant, and has made him insanely wealthy to boot.

However, NBS is ALSO the net that not only allows Keith Booberman to spew HIS nonsense every night on his low-rated cable show AND decided to put him on Sunday Night Football to insure that NO football fan will watch THAT show either (and as a diehard Redskins fan it pains me to not watch SNF, but as long as HE'S on .. I will never watch SNF!)

Posted by: No11 | November 23, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

A reminder: please no name-calling. Calling someone a witch, a Nazi, an idiot or any other name is not acceptable and will result in your comment being unpublished. Either express your opinions respectfully or not at all. Thanks.

Posted by: Jason-CapitalWeatherGang | November 23, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Hello folks this is the WEATHER CHANNEL we are talking about. Weather forecasters and prognosticators, speculators and repeaters of history that already happen within their knowledge. So WHAT. So much bigger things to worry about at this moment then a few people on TV doing weather and shows about a Global Warming or whatever they are calling it this month. Here is a forecast for you. Man will end up destroying the planet trying to destroy another man before we will kill it by driving a car or using plastic.

Posted by: Bowman26 | November 23, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Jason, the reason you have to come out and TELL PEOPLE WHAT NOT TO SAY is illustrative of what people are THINKING.

"Don't say it, don't say it, don't say it..."

That's all right. It obviously goes WITHOUT saying.

Posted by: discount | November 23, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Calling Heidi Cullen names is NOT NEARLY as offensive as what she did - suggesting that anyone who didn't repeat her line of leftist bilge be discredited and thereby unable to support their family.

THAT is truly offensive.

Posted by: discount | November 23, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

The "green" unit was probably the unit that SHOULD have been fired; the 'global warming' hoax has taken on a quasi-religious tone that ignores alternative views from reputable sources. When TWC's Heidi Cullen proposed pulling the credentials of her fellow meteorologists who haven't bought into this questionable 'science,' I determined that 'Global Warming' was the latest home of disaffected leftists who want to tell the rest of us how to run our lives.

Cindi
Wash DC

Posted by: redgg78 | November 23, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps they can now lure back the legions of viewers that they lost because of this idiocy. What delicious irony, canning the niche of propagandists during their Holy Week...

Posted by: jsanderssr | November 23, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

well, that's three of the more annoying personalities eliminated. i'd say TWC hit it about right. as for all the faux-news propagandists on this board, maybe you can explain the correlation between people being creationists and being unable to accept human effects on climate change. maybe it's a generalized contempt for science...

Posted by: natty-bumppo | November 23, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

When will people realize that man-made 'global warming' is just another vehicle for the anti-capitalist crowd to use in their attempt to push us around? The world has cooled and heated many times over the life of the planet...did the Ice Age end because of the cavemen's SUV's??? In 1975, liberals warned us of a new 'Ice Age'..now we're being told the planet is heating. Yawn.

Cindi
Wash DC

Posted by: redgg78 | November 23, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

The thing that makes man-made global warming a HOAX, besides no facts exist to back it up, is that there is NO CONTROL GROUP.

In order to draw the conclusions they're drawing, there would have to be another planet identical to Earth in every way - except without MAN - that wasn't heating up.

The argument that man is heating the planet up is BAD SCIENCE. It's nothing but supposition without a control group. Moreover, it's not backed up by facts. It's driven by hysteria - and money, of course.

Posted by: discount | November 23, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Just proves - superficial.

No substance!

Posted by: billenkoeken | November 23, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Do you find it the slightest bit ironic that Heidi called for decertifying any meteorologist who didn't agree with her.

Yet, in the end, it's her career that's going down the tubes?

Too bad the underlings at TWC had to pay the price. The loss of market-share was Heidi's fault, not theirs.

Posted by: discount | November 23, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Oh so this is where all the right wing nuts hang out. Yes, Al Gore is crazy because he cares about the environment. Your life must be full of bliss... because of your ignorance.

Posted by: RightIsWrong | November 23, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Wow, this piece really brought out the heads in the sand group! My beef with TWC is all their repeated specials in the evenings. Radar & forecasts was was brought them to the dance, and remains all I want.

Posted by: Bartolo | November 23, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

If Al Gore cared about the environment, he wouldn't be flying around in his gas guzzling private jet.

Did you see what happened when he went to pick up his Nobel?

LOL

He and his entourage flew over in their private jet and then took public transporation to the five-star hotel while they took his luggage in a fleet of Mercedes SUVs.

Yeah, Al cares. Riiiiight. Good one. Will you be here all week?

Posted by: discount | November 23, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I just tune in to see if Joe Can O'Beans gets slammed by debris in one of his "Tonight.....Everyone behind me will DIE!!" broadcasts. "Live from the parking lot of Motel 6 we bring you the yardstick of fallen snow measurement." But screwing Dave? No class. Nice move, Bozos!
By the way? Can't get the forcast right 3 days running, but we know what'e going to happen in 30 years? Gee I think it was warmer before, and it cetainly was colder. Guess it's all our fault. Yep. I read it.

Posted by: bluntforcetrauma | November 23, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

For $25 a month I get a fast internet connection and access to all the local, national, and international news, weather, and entertainment I can handle. Why does anyone even watch or even care about TV anymore? Broadcast TV sucks and pay TV blows.

Posted by: rmstx | November 23, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

rmstx said:

Broadcast TV sucks and pay TV blows.


I dunno, Fox is doing great. Their ratings are sky-high and they're paying their bills.

It's just the left-wing stuff that nobody watches.

Who wants to tune in to see leftist political propaganda? They're going the same way Air America went - DOWN THE TUBES.

Fortunately, capitalism can't be spun.

Posted by: discount | November 23, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

That is very sad about the Weather Channel but what could one expect from NBC, no one in their right mind watches NBC and MSNBC anymore. You cannot believe anything that their news departments say. Those two networks are so leftist that you would think that they were generated by old hard-line Stalinists from the 1930's. Jouralism on those networks is dead. They are losing money daily and so the Weather Channel has to suffer too.

Posted by: walterndebby | November 23, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

If they had a lick of sense, they would immediately fire Heidi Cullen. Maybe then, we could start to take them seriously again.

Posted by: Lilycat1 | November 23, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I see the global-warming deniers are out in full force, as usual. Some familiar skeptical names, I see (e.g. Pat Michaels).

I hope the new administration will reverse course (compared to the w administration) and work to prevent the worst aspects of carbon-dioxide increase.

Posted by: nealjking | November 23, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Instead of letting really worthwhile viewed personnel go, how about some of the useless liberal newspersonnel? We just want the news, not your opinion. Where will you run and hide when your messiah ruins our capitalism with your support?

Posted by: thnk4yrslf | November 23, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I hate to see Mr. Schwartz go; he was very professional and really presented the weather in a clear and interesting way. This may sound so simplistic but I think if we all lived to be as old as Methuseleh, we would see all sorts of natural climate change. There is a reason why the Vikings called Greenland Greenland,because a thousand years ago, it was green. And it is just on its way back to that state. That is global warming I can understand.

It is good to recycle and to preserve water and our forests, but with so many scientists on the other side of man being the cause of global warming, it is too bad that those of us who would like to hear all sides of the argument, are called ignorant. I thought this was a democracy where all views were treated with respect. Apparently, in all areas of life, that respect has gone down the toilet.

Posted by: clemmieo | November 23, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

With GE going downhill they bought NBC. Then with the NBC management they drove it into the toilet. So when NBC bought the Weather Channel I knew it would go downhill as well.

Yep it has. The only positive thing they did was get rid of the Enviro crap.

Every time I wanted to know what the weather was, I'd tune in and find some stupid hour long program. I'd then have to go to the Internet to get weather.

Dave Swartz, Jim Cantori and the late John Hope were the only three who not only gave the weather, but they would explain how some of the systems worked that caused specific conditions. I could always count on accurate weather whenever Dave or Jim were on. Otherwise I didn't bother tuning in. The others seemed more like teleprompter readers with good arm movements.

Now that Dave is gone, Jim is not enough to hold me to the Weather Channel. I now get more accurate forecasts from the farmers around here.

Posted by: Gregorovitch | November 23, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Dave Schwarz and Cheryl Lemke are two Weather Channel originals who should be kept if possible.

And Heidi Cullen too has done a good service trying to educate about global warming. With scientific literacy in this country at embarassingly low levels, we need all the information communicated to the public we can get. If you look at all the evidence it's clear to me that the global warming trend is real (see Arctic ice melt and glacier retreats), and people are the main cause (see CO2 level rises). Action on this is easier to take now than it is later on.

Posted by: scalbers | November 23, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

The Weather Channel just hasn't been the same since that horny BOB STOKES left...hopefully he's down at the Tokyo Spa getting some action...

Posted by: MI-SO-HAPPI | November 23, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

The thing I will miss THE MOST will be Meteorologist HILLARY ANDREWS hanging on to a POLE during a Hurricane...Bless her Heart...

Posted by: MI-SO-HAPPI | November 23, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I suspect that there may be more people than just me who couldn't stand TWC's drum beat insistance that global climate change is man-made. If people want to listen to that kind of hot air, they can just fart. Eventually, lies lose their marketability, whereas the truth never does. I watch TWC for facts and predictions based on facts, not for religious opinions based on hubris and a political adjenda. With these changes, TWC may once again become one of my background-noise chanels again.

Posted by: mayhew45 | November 23, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to hear the Schwartzinator's gone, but we in Chicago have the world's true weather God geek, Tom Skilling at WGN!
Look behind the curtain! This Wizard of the WeatherCenter will will leave you in shock and awe as he dazzles, delights and informs!

Posted by: gacy | November 23, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

It is so tiring listening to the lectures on man-made global warming. Two words: Prove It!
CO2 emissions - please! CO2 is a trace gas in the atmosphere - less than .1%, while nitrogen is 78% and oxygen is 21%. CO2 is plant food and plants soak-up whatever is put into the air. We are told that 370 ppm is a disaster...prove it! Do you know commercial green houses will inject CO2 into the air to get the concentration up to 1000ppm because the plants grow so much faster in a CO2 rich environment?
The fact is climate change is always happening. I have no faith in the so-called established scientific and government organizations because they have been corrupted by politics and grant extortion. Global warming hysteria is a political agenda to limit individual liberties thru government control.

Posted by: pyeatte | November 23, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Dear Dave, Cheryl, and Eboni, My wife and I love you all.

The biggest reason we stopped watching TWS was TWS's vapid algore-ite grinch who insisted on trying to cram her nonsence down our throats based on temp readings next to airport runways, car lots, and in center city locations.

We very quickly became so disgusted with her phony science that we stopped watching you guys altogether!

Our deepest condolences go out to all of you wonderful folks who lost your jobs.

Dave, you are a gem of rare quality. Baruch VaShem!

Posted by: waltgee | November 23, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Nicole Mitchell is the epitame of a dumb blonde joke. Dump her...not Swartz !

Posted by: biteoh | November 23, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I wlways turn that stupid global warming stuff off when I see it rear it's ugly (Al Gore) head. I remember walking down my main street years ago choaking from the foundry smoke but that don't happen anymore. Its always good to have clean water and air and that is why we have sience and technology. We could have saved our manufacturing jobs and still had clean air and water.

It is a shame that they let real good people go at the Weather Channel and I am shure they will be replaced with some NBC Al Gore loving hacks.

Posted by: rrtkboo | November 23, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

With regards to "proving" global warming, what kind of proof should there be? Think of it as an insurance policy, most people buy health insurance even though there is no "proof" that they will become sick.

It's pretty suggestive evidence though that CO2 levels now are higher than anytime in probably the past several or even 10 million years - before our species existed. What if the skeptics are wrong - once the CO2 genie is out of the bottle it is very difficult to get the high levels back down. Temperature is also spiking up as per the hockey stick graph. Are we supposed to go back to the CO2 levels and climate of the dinosaur days? Is it morally correct for humanity to have that much power over the planet?

Posted by: scalbers | November 23, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Dave Schwartz was great. I'm sorry to see he was let go. I don't like the new look of the WC. The maps are all stretched out and do not look right. NBC does not know cable. Just look at MSNBC at night and with all the lock-up repeats. Who on earth cares about convicts? And I guess they haven't figured out that weekends are a perfect time for CNBC to have business programming and not infomercials or Deal or No Deal repeats.

Posted by: WPreader8 | November 23, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

scalbers, the only thing you've proved is that you are an anti-capitalist.

There is NO SUCH THING as MAN MADE global warming because there is no such thing as global warming, period.

The earth is getting colder. Seen any sun spots lately? Nope, I didn't think so.

Posted by: discount | November 23, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

To discount - if there is no such thing as global warming, then why is sea level rising?

Posted by: scalbers | November 23, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

And here I thought I was the only one who ditched TWC because of Heidi Cullen's propaganda, their tolerance for that sleaze Bob Stokes (who caused the departure of Melissa Barrington and Hilary Andrews), the loss of Jeanetta Jones and kicking to the curb of poor Marny Stanier, and the dumb weather-related hour-long shows which always seem to be on when I just want the forecast! BTW, the bios for the recently-departed OCM's are currently still online at weather.com. I wish them all the best, they seemed professional and entertaining, especially Dave and Cheryl.

Posted by: rudorama | November 23, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I found the article about the WeatherChannel fairly blah. They are past their peak anyways. The comments are the entertaining part for me. Yeah, I feel bad for the folks who lost their jobs, but the folks who think they should do so for being affiliated with a Global Warming oriented program take the cake. Please keep you head in the sand and watching Fox for your news. Are "we" the sole factor in global warming? No... but we sure can help it along. Even evangelist groups are joining the "reduce our impact" movements of late. I'm sure the guy who blames it on Sun Spots got that from Fox and Friends, lol. Too funny. If Rupert Murdoch can tell the writers at the Wall Street Journal what stories to push I shouldn't be so surprised at the levels of mis-information assumed to be truth. I'm not saying that we know everything about Global Warming, but let's make some educated guesses and not deny our involvement, lol. (Super-polluters should be taxed on their carbonemissions, since when is Capitalism based on cheating to be competetive? Cheating is what dumb people do to avoid the effort of innovation!?!)
-Peace

Posted by: eben1 | November 23, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I stopped watching The Weather Channel when they ceased being a media outlet that reported the weather and transformed into a political activist propaganda arm of the "Global Warming" alarmists. I place the blame solely on Dr. Heidi Cullen, who is so arrogant and fearful of true scientific scrutiny of her alarmist views that she advocated revoking the meterological credentials of anyone who dared to be skeptical of her and Albert Gore, Jr.'s hysterical theories.

Perhaps now TWC can return to actually REPORTING the weather!

Posted by: indyglenn1 | November 23, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

to scalbers,

if there IS such a thing as global warming, why isn't it getting warmer?

Why is it getting colder?

Why have you guys switched the buzz word from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change?"

Why is the ice getting thicker in Antarctica?

Besides, Obama said if he was elected the water would recede. What are you worried about?

Posted by: discount | November 23, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

eben1 - you have internet service and therefore have access to current events.

Please educate yourself.

Posted by: discount | November 23, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

The Weather Channel has become to weather what MTV is to music videos.
Stopped watching long ago.

Posted by: oscarbravo | November 23, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

A bunch of years ago, a friend and I were going to the Talladega race in Alabama. We stayed near Hartsfield airport. Since we had Saturday free, we went hunting for the Weather Channel studio. We found it in some nondescript office park. We were walking around looking into the windows when this guy comes out. He was a sales guy at TWC. He gave us a tour during a broadcast We met Jeanetta Jones, the first black guy (can't remember his name) and the first black lady (can't remeber her name). He gave us a name tag and an umbrella. Still have them. I still love Tropical Update.

Posted by: grunk | November 23, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

discount - as I mentioned earlier the Earth on average is getting warmer and this is the reason for sea level rising more quickly in recent times. Both expansion of the warmer water and melting glaciers make the sea level rise. So I have to disagree with the premise of your first question.

Yes, "climate change" is a more neutral buzzword, yet "global warming" gets more to the point I think.

In very cold places, warmer air can hold more moisture, so in these cases there can be more snow and ice buildup. It's true things are more complicated in parts of Antarctica, yet the bottom line is average temperatures of the Earth as a whole are rising without a natural explanation.

Posted by: scalbers | November 23, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I live in an area prone to severe weather and had the weather channel on several hours a day on some days. NOT AFTER THIS, it is off my favorites and I will erase it from my channels as well. FIRING DAVE SCHWARTZ WAS THE M0ST IDIOTIC THING NBC COULD HAVE DONE! Even when the weather was fine I'd tune in just to see DAVE -- Dave, you're a class act and I just hope that I can tune into the lucky station that hires you, my man!

Posted by: blackie788 | November 23, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Go to;

http://icecap.us/index.php

and look for Global Cooling has started.
Maybe the fired climate changers could get a job in the polar bear culling program. I hear that their increased numbers is becoming alarming.

Posted by: KingofCool | November 23, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Kam Carman. That was a babe and a half.

Posted by: grunk | November 23, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

And yet Keith Olberman still remains employed? Amazing how stupid NBC becomes with each passing day. Next thing you know they'll be staging GM truck fires again to help those pathetic ratings.

Posted by: clayp72 | November 23, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

to scalbers and all you other man-made GW fanatics, let me do some math for you....

Since the industrial revolution, CO2 has risen about 70 ppm or so.

OK, I'll buy that.

Now, let's see what that really means.

I will use the dollar bill analogy.

A dollar bill os 0.0043 inches thick.

A million of them would stack (1,000,000 X 0.0043/12) 358 feet.

If dollar bills were STACKED, they would go a distance of 358 feet. Now a football field is 300 feet and the endzones are 30 feet each. So, if you think of a foot ball field (including BOTH end zones) you will get an idea of how many parts a million is.

Now, the CO2 levels have risen 70 ppm.

So, the equivalent distance (CO2 rise since the industrial revolution) would be (0.0043 X 70) 0.3 inches.

What you CO fanatics are trying to tell us is that 0.3 INCHES of CO2 is enough poison to override 358 FEET of all the other atmospheric gasses and destroy the planet.

And, you are making that leap without a scientific control group.

Puh-lease!

Get real.

If you choose to buy that bilge, fine. Don't expect me to.

Posted by: discount | November 23, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I've heard polar bears are increasing on some land areas since they are fleeing their preferred habitat on the melting sea ice. They are also still rebounding since hunting was scaled back 50 years ago. Looking ahead though they are threatened over most of their historic range on the sea ice that is vanishing rapidly.

Posted by: scalbers | November 23, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

FIRING THE STAFF AT TWC TO HELP COSTS AT NBC? THEY COULD HAVE MADE THE SAME OR BETTER SAVINGS BY FIRING BRYAN WILLIAMS AND ANN CURRY. THESE TWO JERKS MAKE FAR MORE THAN THEIR WORTH TO NEWS.

Posted by: Oldsouthernguy | November 23, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Regarding CO2 rise, it is about 100ppm so far and projected to be much more in the future based on current societal trends. Yes, trace gases can have large effects, for example methane is 23 times more potent (per unit volume) than even CO2. All you have to do is get out your spectroscope and look in the infrared band.

Posted by: scalbers | November 23, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

CO2 also acts like a trigger to increase water vapor and that about doubles the warming effect. The water vapor would increase by ROUGHLY a couple of percent, or more than 10000 ppm.

Posted by: scalbers | November 23, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I wish I could edit my previous post, the water vapor increase roughly should be 100ppm as well. It would increase by a couple of percent over its previous concentration. Hope I'm not being too mathematical here.

Posted by: scalbers | November 23, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

What???

Unbelievable. I guess there is always the Internet for on demand weather. NBC can go suck an egg.

Posted by: rippinit | November 23, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

How DARE they??? All three were my favorites and I watch (or DID watch) The Weather Channel regularly - except when Dr. Cullen is on.

NBC made me so furious when they fired Imus that I rarely watch, though Brian Williams is our favorite for news. Now, they're on their way to totally ruining a great thing called "The Weather Channel". Sure they're not from Detroit???

Ironic, too, that they fired Imus so they could appear politically correct, and turn around now and fire a Jewish male, a black female and the oldest gal (though she looks GREAT) on air with them.

Posted by: landsn | November 23, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

scalbers, let me help you out here....

Water vapor IS the number one greehouse gas. It's well over 90% of all greenhouse gasses.

Until we can control the process of EVAPORATION, we don't have a prayer of affecting greenhouse gasses to any significant degree.

If you are willing to destroy our economy over 0.3 inches in 358 feet worth of CO2, then you are...

You're probably a teenager who simply hasn't had to pay their own bills yet.

That could explain it.

We can't make the wind blow, we can't make the wind stop blowing, we can't make it rain and we can't make it stop raining.

Yet you want me to think we have the power to destroy the planet because of a 0.3 inch increase in CO2 since the industrial revolution.

That's less than a third of an inch out of a football field scalbers - do you understand that? That's like five blades of grass out of an entire football field.

AND YOU want ME to think that's worth destroying our economy over????

Hello? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

CO2 is plant food scalbers.

PLANT FOOD!

Posted by: discount | November 23, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Just checked. It was Mike Motley and Lisa Mozer

Posted by: grunk | November 23, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Dave Schwartz??? Are they mad??? He's the only weatherman worth his salt and his voice is so soothing when you get up early in the morning to hear about snow storms, etc. Actually, go back to the original format where one weatherman gave all the weather and there was none of this other crap like "STORM STORIES" or "IT COULD HAPPEN TOMORROW". I don't care what might happen tomorrow - I want to know what IS HAPPENING today!!!!! Cheryl Lemke and Eboni Deon will also be missed. NBC has screwed up royally this time. The Weather Channel was going down hill before but I think they just hit bottom.

Posted by: oldauntgee | November 23, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

There must be far more climate skeptics than we ever realized. It is really a stretch to believe in global warming when you are freezing your tail off in Florida in October and November.

Advertisers and corporate bean counters are the first to realize the bottom line - that global warming hysteria is losing market share so off with their heads!

Posted by: alance | November 23, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

discount - thanks for your help and spirited discussion. I'm well aware of what a part per million is. How many parts per million of arsenic or plutonium would it take have a harmful effect on someone? Sometimes trace amounts can have large effects. Would you be willing to get out a spectroscope as I suggested and see how much of an effect these parts per million (i.e. blades of grass) can have?

We do agree though that water vapor is the largest natural greenhouse gas. It is the changes in these values triggered by humanity that are significant though, both for CO2 and water vapor. A doubling of CO2 still triggers about 5 degrees F global warming.

Thanks for the complement, I wish I was still a carefree teenager ;)

CO2 is indeed plant food - the plants clearly haven't been able to gobble up enough of the CO2 to prevent its increase.

Attacking global warming here in the US is good for the economy as it creates jobs and makes us more competitive with the rest of the world that is already "on board". It also improves health by cleaning up soot as a side benefit.

Posted by: scalbers | November 23, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I will miss Dave Schwartz. He will find employment...weather is his passion.

In addition, shallow are those who believe in mass marketing BS called global warming and/or climate change.

Posted by: dudgie | November 23, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm gonna miss Schwartz and Lemke. To me, they were the face of the Weather Channel(along with Cantori, who doesn't seem to know that you should come in from the rain). OK. You have to cut staff once in a while. But Schwartz and Lemke?? Stupid. And firing Deon isn't exactly brilliant either.
I just switched to the Weather Channel one last time. Ironically, "Forecast Earth" is on. One last time, I guess.

Posted by: Jimeo722 | November 23, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Keep the Weather Channel fire all of NBC and MSNBC.
At least most the Weather Channel is honest reporting. Unlike the other two. As to Forecast Earth it should have gone away. It always seemed to one side, lacking honest reporting. Dome and Glome.

Posted by: tusseyrobert | November 23, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

What happened to Rick Griffin? I remember him from Detroit many moons & forecasts ago.

Posted by: newzaroo | November 23, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Sure glad to see that wx channel got rid of the environmental unit as it was nothing but a big promo for Al Gore and his fraudulent global warming scare. Sure hope they get rid of Heidi Cullen too, she is totally in contempt of any meterologist who does not see eye to eye with her on global warming.

Posted by: librtyship | November 23, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

NBC is on board with the scum sucking commie, steal more of our money, phony global warming scaremongers. Just another notch in the one world propagana belt. You silence those that oppose you by killing them, throwing them in jail or buying them out and defunding them. Welcome to the U.S.S.A

Posted by: WilliamGoat | November 23, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

scalbers said:

A doubling of CO2 still triggers about 5 degrees F global warming.

____________________________________


I reply - BALONEY! The phytoplankton are loving us for it.

______________________________________
Scalbers said: Attacking global warming here in the US is good for the economy as it creates jobs and makes us more competitive with the rest of the world that is already "on board". It also improves health by cleaning up soot as a side benefit.

I reply - scalbers, you're clearly not a businessman, nor do you understand capitalism or economics. What you say is laughable. I am a businessman. It's people like me that have to write checks to employees like you. It's people like me that you want to hog-tie in an effort to assuage your sense of self-guilt.

Here's the thing you don't understand....

Government IS NOT at the center of the economic universe, CAPITALISM IS.

You are looking at economics like a pre-Copernicus astronomer looked at the lights in the sky.

You think government is what makes the economy work. It's not. You think the world revolves around government. It doesn't. Capitalism is boss, not the government.

You clearly understand the magnitude difference between 0.3 inches and a football field. If that doesn't jar you out of your "humans-suck" funk, then nothing will.

The good news is that it isn't getting warmer. It's getting colder. Did you see the temps in Alaska this summer. It never warmed up! In fact, avalanches took out the power transmission lines near Anchorage. There was so much snow that it took out the power plant transmission lines!

Now THAT is a fact.

Global warming (man-made or otherwise) doesn't exist.

Posted by: discount | November 23, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I don't no any one of thease people , the weather window is the window not the TV , my window has never been wrong you can't say that for the TV.Let's face it they all get the same info in most cases from the same source , The fack that it takes more than one person per station to give us the weather is nuts this could be done all over the country by high school students as part time employes and be just as good.

Posted by: pomoceva | November 23, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Anyone denying global warming is dangerously ignorant.
HUMAN IMPACTED GLOBAL WARMING IS NOT A HOAX!!!! Global warming is VERY REAL. You have to be extremely ignorant to deny that. It has been PROVED AGAIN AND AGAIN BY THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL PANEL ON CLIMATE CHANGE: http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr.pdf

Posted by: nnsingh | November 23, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr.pdf

Claiming that Anthropogenic Global Warming is not happening is absolutely FALSE- as FALSE as claiming the Earth is Flat.

Posted by: nnsingh | November 23, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I saw Dave Schwartz on TWC today...? When do they plan on letting him go?

Posted by: Danielc362 | November 23, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Good call discount - I'm not a businessman. Why (given your expertise) are US auto companies not doing as well as ones like Toyota and European companies who are more on board with fuel efficient cars? If US auto companies can make good decisions by themselves, then so much the better. The government has an opportunity though to hold them accountable with the proposed bailout.

I stand by my estimate of 5 degrees warming of CO2 increase - this is consistent with what we are starting to observe in so many ways around the world.

I think humans are great - we're just too much of a good thing. There are clearly insufficient resources on this planet for everyone to have an "American" lifestyle.

The cool summer in Alaska was more than balanced out by warmer weather elsewhere. The global average this year is still above the historical trend for the 20th century.

Posted by: scalbers | November 23, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Get rid of Cullen. She is a cultist of Gore and false prophet of man-made global warming. I know she's popular with the libs who have hijacked environmental efforts, but they all need to be housed in the tropical rainforests of South America and learn where 99.44% of greenhouse gases originate.

Posted by: BeanerECMO | November 23, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

They should have fire Christina Abernathy...she has gone from cute and perky to jabba the hut before our eyes.

Posted by: guy22222 | November 23, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

To find your favorite former Weather Channel Personality:

http://www.twcclassics.com/personalities/former/

Posted by: grunk | November 23, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

If Heidu Cullen had been the first personality fired I would have thought they were actually concerned about making a profit, repoting the weather, and providing an entertaining format to view it. It's too bad their political ideology had to come into play with the firings. Schwartz was spot on, Cullen was annd is a faux scientist.

Posted by: Dave331 | November 23, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

I hope that they got rid of Alexandra Steele. She has to be the hokiest weather reader there us.

Posted by: Sandfleigh | November 23, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

nnsingh, I am denying the existence of global warming.

The earth IS NOT, I REPEAT, NOT, getting warmer.

Save your mindless rhetoric for someone who isn't freezing their ass off right now.

Here's a news flash for you: The earth is getting colder.

Posted by: discount | November 23, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Oh this is a pity...
all of that time and money wasted on cosmetic surgery too...
I am so sick of the liberals... just think, a month and a half it will be all liberals all of the time.


wheeeeeeeee

Posted by: rdb2 | November 23, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Listening to Heidi Cullen mung up a weather report with her Algore/AGW nonsense is what sent me to Janice Dean, The Weather Machine, at Foxnews. Janice maybe not have the weather "credentials" of Cullen, but she knows better how to explain what weather is coming your way...and does it without telling you the sky is falling. She should have been the first to go!

Posted by: rockydog | November 23, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Dave Schwartz was a funny guy. I hope he gets a great job somewhere... how about FOX NEWS?

The rest of TWC... meh. I do not watch anymore... too many commercials and "green crap" I dont listen to. That fix it guy was fun to watch but he need sot come over to my house and caulk MY windows

Get ready for a very VERY snowy winter Washingtonians and Virginians. I cant wati to see all of the hybrid vehicles stuck in the snow and I will plow by in my 4 wheel! Wheeeeeeeee

Posted by: rdb2 | November 23, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

scalbers, PUH-LEASE!

Gas mileage has NOTHING to do with Detroit's problems.

Their problems revolve around government intrusion and unrealistic union contracts.

If someone died and named me boss, I'd get RID of the CAFE standards and wipe out every UAW contract that's in effect.

Liberalism has destroyed Detroit.

You're worried about use of resources? The USA has done MORE for humanity with fewer resources than any other country has.

After reading your posts, it is apparent that you're too deeply befuddled to be worth my time.

You are nothing but a blame America first type.

Try evolving. Grow into someone who has to concern themselves with developing products, marketing them, manufacturing them, creating jobs and writing pay checks. It's not easy. I'd bet money you don't have it in you.

You'd have to rewire your brain to succeed.

You're the type who likes to show up and get paid while bad-mouthing industry and your country.

Here's a news flash for you - the planet is NOT getting warmer. It's getting colder.

Your CO2 argument is preposterous - the math doesn't work.

If you can't bring yourself to see the truth, so be it.

Posted by: discount | November 23, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Tell you what. I'll believe in "Global Warming" when everyone that is a proponent of this "theory" signs a legal document that precludes them from making a penny off of it. That, of course, will NEVER happen as some of these people, primarily Al Gore and his buds, stand to make millions, perhaps billions from it. Talk about brainwashing...

There are many countries, and hundreds of world class scientists, that DO NOT subscribe to this "theory". This is currently the second biggest hoax in American history, with the first now being the proclamation that our Lord of Hosts - his holiness Barack Hussein Obama = will bring any "change" to politics. As can be seen by nearly all of his appointments to date, this is pure Clinton administration redeaux, part III. Since Obama has never actually managed anything, he has none of his own Marxist cronies to drag along with him, so he has to rely on the Clinton clan to build an administration from.

Good luck with all of that.

Posted by: JeffRoe | November 23, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

If Schwartz was "the best," then you can bet he was "the most expensive" employee on the payroll -- hence his untimely departure. I'm glad to see that NBC at least recognizes that the Global Warming Hoax has no place on a hard science channel such as TWC. We get enough of The Hoax on all other NBC platforms.

Posted by: CharlesAMiller | November 23, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Discount:

Do not waste your time on scalbers with facts. You will only confuse him further. His mind is made up

Posted by: winhawk | November 23, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

The Weather Channel died years ago. Now we have closure.

Posted by: SnowJob | November 23, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Maybe NBC could replace the live talent with a cart machine just like terrestrial radio has done. Who needs expensive people? Just have a computer voice say the forecast. Then NBC could fill the remaining airtime with global warming commercials for al gores carbon credits. Maybe NBC could try selling weather forecasts via itunes?

Posted by: rexdart936 | November 23, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Just FYI, not everyone let go by TWC bought into the human-induced global warming hype.

Posted by: radiowxman | November 23, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

mbc and weather channel nothing but libs any way.. there not worth watchin.. iv heard foxnews starting a weather channel, i hope so.. iv block all abc channels and twc and msnbc and cnn from my tv.. there nuts.. go fox news the best,

ty darrell

Posted by: darrell30s | November 23, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm really sad about Dave "my friend" Schwartz; he did become my tv friend. He was always interesting to watch...maybe NBC10 in Philly could hire him since they seem to be a little short-staffed, but I've read budget is the problem there, too. I bet we'll see the top 2 or 3 WeatherPlus mets show up on the Weather Channel along with Al "he isn't qualified to analyze weather data" Roker. As for the environmental unit, since it wasn't balanced I'd turn it off because I don't like to be preached to when vital information that I've read about is ignored. Expect Ann Curry and Anne Thompson from NBC to host "green" specials on the Weather Channel.

Posted by: snowey123 | November 23, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

I thought we had seen the last of "Forcast Earth"......it's on right now with the usual drivel..."no snow at ski slopes", etc.

Posted by: winhawk | November 23, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

As a political junkie who has followed the persistent right wing CORPORATIST bias of NBC for almost a decade, it is not surprising that the debased ethics undergirding the republican campaign will produce these kinds of mindless betrayals of real talent in corporate America. Both Schwartz and Lempke were two of the most polished and competent on-air personalities. But the evident Spiritual dimensions of their personalities are alien to the values of PREDATORY CAPITALISM.

Soon the public will be forced to realize where the STENCH permeating our society is coming from--CAPITALISM IS DEAD. It has failed miserably. As a television producer- director in a former life, I have observed other evidence of declining quality on the weather channel in recent weeks. So who knows what other talent in the supporting infrastructure is being winnowed out.

Perhaps a majority of the public will finally grow sufficiently in Spiritual Consciousness to recognize the profoundly evil implications of a corporation that, in the name of profit, trashes the livelihoods of those same magnificent and loyal staff who created the billion dollar asset that NBC, in this example, has just purchased.

Yes! Capitalism is as dead as the souls of those predators who run the banks, the auto companies, and the international conglomerates. Right now they cannot imagine, and would mock my assertion re the scale and scope of the evil Karma that now ripens for them. But they will soon become believers. SLEEPERS AWAKE!!

Posted by: TEHarries | November 23, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Dave Schwartz seemed like one of the most reliable guys around there too -- seemed like he was often filling in for others and he certainly could hold the fort down all by his lonesome on late nites and just chatter away about the weather in a way that was upbeat and funny, even charming in a goofy sort of way. Some of the others are so wooden and awful. Or seem like they would fall apart if they didn't have a buddy in the studio. Poor Dave. Where's the love.

The thing that bugs me the most about the Weather Channel these days is that its "Weather Channel Lite." They gloss over so much, the maps are more simplistic and shown for less time, etc. The hurricane coverage tends to get a little tech now and again for 2 min here and there, thankfully. We need TWC2 (that's more like the old TWC) for the hardcore weather geeks. There's a larger core audience out there than they realize, I think.

Posted by: xjones | November 23, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

JeffRoe said:

Tell you what. I'll believe in "Global Warming" when everyone that is a proponent of this "theory" signs a legal document that precludes them from making a penny off of it. That, of course, will NEVER happen as some of these people, primarily Al Gore and his buds, stand to make millions, perhaps billions from it. Talk about brainwashing...

Discount replies:

Bingo!

Science runs on MONEY. If a scientist says, "Hey, I think this GW stuff is a bunch of bunk and I'm going to prove it. All I need is a big grant."

How much money do you think they will get?

If a scientist says, "I think GW is bunk and I want money to study something else."

How much money do you think they will get?

Both scenarios pay the same - ZERO, ZILCH, ZIP, SQUAT, NADA, DONUT!

There is nothing scientific about GW. It's a financial issue.

Posted by: discount | November 23, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I am waiting on the big 3, ABC, CBS, and NBC to all close their doors. How much lower can their network propaganda departments go before advertisers realize they are wasting money with these people?

Posted by: smuthrob | November 23, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

TEHarries said:

Soon the public will be forced to realize where the STENCH permeating our society is coming from--CAPITALISM IS DEAD. It has failed miserably.

Capitalism IS NOT DEAD. IT HAS NOT FAILED!

Government is what has failed.

Capitalism lives and it's what we need to bring us back. Government has to get out of the way and let it do its thing.

Do not fall for the bilge that capitalism failed - it hasn't. Government is what failed.

Posted by: discount | November 23, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

rockydog said:

Janice maybe not have the weather "credentials" of Cullen

What good are credentials when they lead to what Cullen is?

Credentials in her case are worthless.

Posted by: discount | November 23, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

From what I read the onair people who were fired were registered Republcans. NBC does not like registered Republicans. NBC needs to keep on air legends Oberman, Maddows, Mathews, Kathy Lee and Verera happy.

Dave is Jewish and Ebonie is black. Enough said! Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will not be happy once they finds this out.

BTW, if NBC is rumored to buy the company you work for........... Leave now........

Global Warming is real. The ice mass in the Artic is going away. Same in the Antartic. Lakes are drying up in the south east USA and in Austrailia. NYC and New Jersey do not get snow anymore. Global Warming is real.

Posted by: singlemaleinnj | November 23, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps the final straw occurred when "Forecast Earth" failed to forecast the falling global temperatures that have been occurring since 2002, and that temperatures right now are no higher than they were 30 years ago.

See icecap.us or wattsupwiththat.com or weatherquestions.com/Roy-Spencer-on-global-warming.htm -- three websites run by meteorologists and climate scientists -- for some good information on recent temperatures.

Posted by: taylorjm1 | November 23, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I suspect the reason why the fired those people are that they had an air conditioner on the outdoor set in Beijing at the olympics. Simple economics. It's expensive to run an air conditioner outdoors, so in return they had to let go some of their key people.

Posted by: genat | November 23, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

No Dave Schwartz! No TWC! BOYCOTT TWC! I'm getting my weather fix elsewhere, like weather.gov. NOAA has a good site anyway.

Posted by: bealsio | November 23, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I have almost stopped watching this network in the last few years - I get all my needed weather from Accuweather or Intellicast on the computer these days - it is much more timely and more reliable and avoids the hype of the silly global warming and sensationalism of the hurricane season, tornado season and hyped snow forecasts. If they want to fire someone - get rid of Heidi Cullen and nix the global warming hoax programming. I hate to see Cheryl Lemke go - she was smart, professional and had been there for a long time and was from my hometown of Papillion, NE. Anyone who grew up in Nebraska REALLY understands weather better than anyone and she was a polished expert. Of course, with NBC in charge, no one should expect any type of expertise then, should they?

Posted by: DennisinOhio | November 23, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

They should have fire Christina Abernathy...she has gone from cute and perky to jabba the hut before our eyes.

Posted by: guy22222 | November 23, 2008 6:07 PM

I saw her on TWC this afternoon and I thought the same thing. She always seemed to me to be a dam ready to burst.

Posted by: grunk | November 23, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Heidi was the reason why I didn't watch the Weather Channel. I hope it true she got the boot and now maybe she can do reports standing out in blizzards.

Posted by: billjunga | November 23, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

I am really sick and tired of hearing that everytime a freaking polor bear trips and falls off a piece of ice or has a bad day getting a square meal that its our fault.

Posted by: rrtkboo | November 23, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty hard to fill 24/7 with just the weather and keep it fresh...I mean how long can you watch some guy standing in a hurricane/snowstorm/flood or looking at damaged/demolished buildings or worse yet some 15 minutes of famer crying about their lost pictures. Now NBC could go a long way just giving us the facts re weather or anything else for that matter instead of Anne Curry failing to climb Mount K but not forgetting to show us skinny natives running out of water because the glaciers are melting. Enough with this global warming/cooling climate change...according to them we should be out of fish and dead 10 years ago.

Posted by: funread49 | November 23, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Hard to beleive GE once had Ronald Reagan as its spokesman. Now they have NBC and TWC with the likes of Williams, Curry, Olberman, Maddow and the beedy-eyed Hardballer. And oh yea, Tom Brokaw who couldn't find one question in over 4,000,000 about abortion, the Supreme Court, one man/one woman marriage or any other issue that was ignored during his duties as Presidential debate moderator; at least he's not writing a book like Gwen Awful.

Posted by: funread49 | November 24, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

OK, I have a big confession to make: I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR GLOBAL WARMING.
I have IBS from Celiac's, you see, and I fart worse than Godzilla on a warm day.
All that stuff about cow flatulence and termite massive mini-farts are just not true.
It's me, and me alone. The local forests have all turned brown from me, not the Pine Beetle.
Ask my wife.
I know all of you would say I should "Seek help," but the Rolaids company says they will not sell 50 gal. containers to a private citizen.
As "Mogul" said in Mel Brook's production, "Blazing Saddles," "I am but a pawn in the game of life."
The CIA secretly set me up as a Fartoligist (Kind of like a Cunning Linguist) in order to compete with the Liberals on Capital Hill.
Who raises more hot air, do you think?
Oh, it stinks, so sniff out my website at http://www.rickhyatt.freeservers.com and let it hit the fan...

Posted by: rickahyatt | November 24, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

An earlier commenter said:

"Please stop calling for Heidi Cullen to be fired. That's not fair."

Answer. Why? Unless she quits immediately, that is.

Posted by: TrochilusTales | November 24, 2008 3:12 AM | Report abuse

Yet another example of big corporation's disregard for those who sincerely peddle Al G.'s junk science.

If only big government were as sensible.

Posted by: ANandy | November 24, 2008 5:04 AM | Report abuse

NBC could have done the world a favor and fired Rachael Maddow, Keith Oberman and Chris Mathews instead. No one would miss them at all. The WC is more fun to watch than those three Obomabots.

Posted by: cbrimer2 | November 24, 2008 5:54 AM | Report abuse

Do you find it ironic that the same people who keep calling for a separation of church and state (when if comes to Christianity) are the same ones who keep screaming for their religion (Global Warming) to be adopted as official government policy?

Posted by: discount | November 24, 2008 6:23 AM | Report abuse

Fire Heidi Cullen, NOW!

Posted by: discount | November 24, 2008 6:25 AM | Report abuse

TWC was started to broadcast weather. I knew I could tune in and see "Local on the 8's" anytime. Then came all of the documentaries and advocacy programs and actually seeing a forecast when you needed one became problematic. Get back to basics, TWC!!!!!

Posted by: rom101905 | November 24, 2008 7:18 AM | Report abuse

Heidi Cullen CAUSED global warming with her hot air and rhetoric. Put on your knee pads Heidi, and go "visit" with Al Gore again.

Posted by: ac7880 | November 24, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Fortunately, capitalism NEVER FAILS and it cannot be spun.

Heidi, you can spew your leftist bilge all you want, but when people stop watching and it comes time to pay your bills, you will be forced to change your tune.

I encourage you to keep it up. It's the quickest way for us to finally be RID OF YOU.

Give us MORE, Heidi!

Posted by: discount | November 24, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

nnsingh states:

Anyone denying global warming is dangerously ignorant.
HUMAN IMPACTED GLOBAL WARMING IS NOT A HOAX!!!! Global warming is VERY REAL. You have to be extremely ignorant to deny that. It has been PROVED AGAIN AND AGAIN BY THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL PANEL ON CLIMATE CHANGE.

ANandy replies:

Now lets try to figure how humans caused the earth to warm, CAUSING THE END OF THE LAST ICE AGE with their carbon footprints. Next will be the claim that the Mars Lander caused Mars' temperature to rise by approximately the same amount as earth's during the same period. Oh, wait a minute; could increased solar temperature possibly play a role? Nah!

It doesn't take a PhD in weather science to understand cyclical weather patterns. Just an idiot to believe otherwise.

Posted by: ANandy | November 24, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

The Weather Channel has devolved in the same manner as MTV. TWC was/is at its best when it’s reporting the WEATHER. Storm Chasing, Hurricane Hunting, etc...are TWC’s specialties along with giving daily, weekly and long-range forecasts.

Once TWC took sides in the Global Warming, uhh….Global Climate Change ...or is it… Global Climate Crisis THIS week, TWC lost all credibility with many of its viewers. Heidi is a self-righteous hack who needs to be sent to El Paso...no offense El Paso... where she can report the summer time weather:

“Temperature approaching triple digits, with clear skies and light wind out of the southwest”...should fit her skill set...or lack of ...nicely.

This will also save her the embarrassment of looking foolish when she tries to play scientists. She's a political animal with more credentials than brains. She thinks education equals intelligence. Someone needs to explain to her scientific aptitude is not a thermometer and as such CANNOT be measured in College Degrees.

Posted by: LSUdabest | November 24, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

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Lastly, please see this new commentary on the issue (just published): Weather Channel Cuts Earn Mixed Reviews

Posted by: CapitalWeatherGang | November 24, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Dave Schwartz was the Kramer of the Weather Channel. They've lost my viewership.

Posted by: PhantomPhoton | November 24, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Politically Correct weather forecasting! ROTFLMAF!
The Lame Stream Media has officially "Jumped the Shark".

Posted by: stevem1 | November 24, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Accu weather is every bit the joke that is the weather channel. Remember that idiot Joe Bastardi that got kicked off fox news for saying he knows new england will be hit by a hurricane. I have a news flash for all of you, all of the base data that these private forecasting companies use comes from THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE, the WORLDS BEST. Thas where i get my forecasts from. Not from idiots with communications degrees, no science background (Schwartz and others) and no actual meteorological training or skills.

Posted by: thetruth14 | November 24, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

This was ENTIRELY a money/profit decision. "Who can we let go and keep our bonuses?"

I remember when the weather channel was nothing more than a roll of regional weather info backed up by great jazz and
cool music with the occasional winter storm warning. Those
were the "pre-"EXTREME" watch me get blown to bits by this lethal hurricane" days.

Once TWC began using the word "EXTREME" for ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING, a neon sign was lit that what the station owners REALLY believe in is NOT accurate information, or global crisis education, or intelligent presentation, but RATINGS. Surprise. Dave never had a chance.

The global weather crisis is IN FACT heavily contributed to, if not entirely caused by human abuses to the planet, so it is entirely in keeping with the thoughtlessness of humans that corporate heads cancelled programing that would suggest human responsibility and "let go" the educated people presenting this info.

To all of you who question global warming, I suggest you let go of your denial before an "extreme" monster, historic, out of proportion, out of season, tornado/tsunami/firestorm/drought hits you instead of you neighbor, and start learning about what you can do to help. Plant a tree. Recycle water. Turn off lights.

Those of us left hanging out here will get "balanced" info elsewhere. I suggest the Weather Underground, National Weather Service or NPR.

Leave TWC to it's histrionic, sexist, irresponsible programers and move on, with best wishes that the axed employees will find fair weather employment elsewhere.

Posted by: bearsrus | November 24, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I can't stand that Heidi Cullen and quit watching a long time ago because of her.

Posted by: Pippin4 | November 24, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

bearsrus:

There IS NO weather crisis.

Please educate yourself.

Posted by: discount | November 24, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

This is a true story. During the last Ice Age, Caveman Gort advised his fellow cavemen to put out the fires at the entrance to their caves because the fires were causing the climate to warm and the ice to melt. Caveman Gort's fellow cavemen put out their fires and were soon devoured by hungry cave bears. However, Caveman Gort did not put out the fire at the entrance to his cave and he survived. Then Caveman Gort lead the dead cavemen's widows and children south to a warmer climate where they lived happily ever after. Most humans living today are genetically related to Caveman Gort.

Posted by: federale | November 24, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

THE PROBLEM ISN'T CLIMATE CHANGE, BUT HUMAN NON CHANGE, MEANING THE PROPENSITY TO BELIEVE WHAT ONE IS TOLD, ESPECIALLY BY EXPERTS. INSTEAD, HUMANS CAN COLLECT RAW DATA (FROM NOAA PREFERABLY) AND DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES. HOWEVER, THIS REQUIRES WORK AND SEVERAL HOURS, SO WHY NOT BELIEVE THOSE WITH HIDDEN AGENDAS INSTEAD. GLOBAL WARMING PEAKED IN 1998, AND IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN BROUGHT BACK TO WHAT IS CONSIDERED NORMAL TEMPERATURES. IF THE SUN CONTINUES A CYCLE OF VERY FEW SUNSPOTS MUCH LONGER, WE COULD BE ENTERING AN ICE AGE. IN AGES PAST WHEN THE EARTH WAS WITHOUT HUMAN POPULATION, THE PLANET HAD MUCH HOTTER WARMING SPELLS THAN THE ONE WE JUST LEFT. CLUE: THE POLES ON MARS WERE NOTICED TO BE MELTING SEVERAL YEARS BACK. WAS THIS BECAUSE OF 1. SUV'S. 2. MARTIAN COWS BELCHING. 3. THE SUN.

Posted by: uniqorn51 | November 24, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

bearsrus:

NPR is about as "balanced" as the DailyKooks is.

Please educate yourself.

I hope this helps.

Posted by: discount | November 24, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I liked the old TWC, when they just reported the weather. Now, you get two minutes of weather and 8 mins of commercials every 10 mins. Then, they hired that dipwad Heidi Cullin to tell me that I am causing the earth to die.

If they would simply stick to WEATHER, and not some hippy cult crap about how I'm killing the earth, they could have kept everyone. But instead they try to force feed us crap and then they wonder why nobody watches anymore!

Report the weather dimwits! Stop with the lectures or 'cute' little programs. When I turn to TWC, I want the weather, not what happened in 1944 or how my VERY LARGE F-150 is causing the earth to die.

Get a flipping clue!

Posted by: sixpacktr | November 24, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

OK, if global warming is all our fault, then why are the ice caps on Mars shrinking? (And don't even try to tell us that the Viking landers or the Mars rover is at fault. Please.)

Why has warming also been observed in the Jupiter system?

Because solar output variations have far more to do with all of this than we do. Humans haven't been around long enough, geologically speaking, to fully understand what climate variations should be considered "normal" anyway. There is still much for us to learn.

Now, is that a reason NOT to switch to more renewable forms of energy where we can? Of course it isn't. Doing so still makes sense for many other reasons.


Posted by: DeathRacer | November 24, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Dear Discount,
Your tag plus your response says it all.
Don't think this will help.

Posted by: bearsrus | November 24, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Pshawwww! All you people thinking that Global Warming isn't manmade, consider this: Ever since we sent a robot to Mars, Mars has been warming as well. What other explanation can there be except that we caused global warming there as well!!! ;-)

Posted by: awenger | November 24, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Finish the job and toss cullen - the REAL AMERICANS will go back to using twc

Posted by: M_Algore | November 24, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

If NBC was actually interested in making a profit, Dr. Heidi Cullen should have been the first to go.
Anyone that has any common sense knows that she has alienated most of the loyal TWC viewers with her Global Warming propaganda. When NBC decides to return to reporting facts instead of propaganda, I will return as a viewer.
Global Warming is a HOAX that would make Joseph Goebbels proud.

Posted by: sclark45 | November 24, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Dave Schwartz was a joy to watch. My niece and I would call each other whenever we spotted him on. Apparently he didn't appeal to the 18-35 crowd they were desperate for. But he certainly appealed to anyone with a sense of irony or who felt like he was a truly interesting person you wanted to listen to.
BLAH!

Posted by: nursemom | November 24, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Cheryl Lemke has one of the best speaking voices on TV. She was so clear and precise in her speaking. I always enjoyed listening to her.

Posted by: Weatherman1 | November 24, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

bearsrus:

Like I said, please educate yourself.

Your misconceptions are vast, your attitudes are tiresome and your conclusions are boorish.

Not only that, but nothing you say is true.

For starters, the earth is NOT getting warmer... not man-made warmer, not naturally warmer.... NOT WARMER, PERIOD!

Deal with it.

Secondly, CO2 is plant food. Get it? Let me type more slowly and maybe it will sink in... P-L-A-N-T F-O-O-D!

The phytoplankton love it.

Ignorance and self-loathing are two of the most expensive things we own in this society and the Left is infested with both!

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to drive my Hummer to the airport and go fly my airplane.

Posted by: discount | November 24, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Interesting the the Nothing But Crap network, which is nothing more than a DNC outlet, let the political unit go. Someone screwed up big time.

Posted by: LarryG62 | November 24, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Come on, really. If you watch WEATHER CHANNEL for the programs, you need to get a life. Tune in on the 8s for your forecast, then tune out. The rest is a waste of time and money.

Posted by: pianoguyfromsc | November 24, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Obama can retrain these 80 folks to make solar panels, wind turbines and the like...or crappy cars from the Big 3 that nobody wants.

Thanks NBC (never thought I would hear myself say that) for hopefully returning The Weather Channel back to...well, weather.

Posted by: gsleslie1 | November 24, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

The level of ignorance on this comment board is astounding. This was a marketing decision, not a scientific declaration. What the hell is wrong with you people???

Every governmental scientific organization in every major develop nation across the world agrees on two things: Global Warming IS HAPPENING NOW and our CLIMATE is CHANGING because of it.

If you can't tell the difference between climate and weather, consult a dictionary. You wonder why the country's in a mess? Break away from your Fox News for five seconds and look in the goddman mirror.

Posted by: nickmatiella | November 22, 2008 10:38 PM >>

Sorry, Nick, but you are absolutely and totally wrong! There is no so-called agreement about so-called "Global Warming" because it does not exist. To think that Man can alter the earth's climate is the utmost in vanity. The only thing that can increase--or decrease, for that matter--our planet's temperature on a global scale is the sun, which itself has been in a very quiet period the last few years. Consequently, Earth has experienced global COOLING in many areas. Country after country has experienced colder temps, earlier snows and freezes, etc.

Earth's climate changes on its own. The planet's temperature and the temperatures of the oceans also change on their own, with no help from Man. El Sol, on the other hand, has a say-so in that.

An increasing number of your alleged "scientists" have realized that they have been both ignorant and incorrect lo these many years as the data keeps coming in: we're in a cooling down period.

Posted by: dvump25 | November 24, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

The number 1 reason for house cleaning is that Dave Schwartz was a joy to watch but probably made the wage department sick to pay him. It's too bad but the people at the top who are usually getting the most money are some of the first to go.

Now maybe we can get more weather and less entertainment.

Posted by: jack80elmct | November 24, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Now maybe we can get more weather and less entertainment.


Or, maybe we can get SOME weather and LESS propaganda.

Posted by: discount | November 24, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

There's a reason NBC is the sorriest of the 4 ... so did anyone REALLY expect NBC to get it right with TWC?

Of COURSE they were going to fire the only interesting meteorologist and retain the gormless twit. It's in keeping with their corporate mentality. I suppose Fox will come out with a TWC equivalent now and send NBC's purchase into oblivion.

Yes, the 8s are the big thing, but where WE live, little events like IKE take on added significance. It's bad enough to know you may get blown away without having to endure Cullen's piffle, pap and swill.

So, NBC ... when you go (and you will, because you never learn), take Cullen with you. I'd rather watch paint dry; paint can at least cover SOMETHING correctly-- more than I can say for Heidi-ho.

Posted by: Curmudgeon2009 | November 24, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

What is going on with TWC? I grew up with Jeanetta Jones and Jim Cantore. Makes me wonder if Marshall Seese voluntarily retired two weeks ago.....No more Dave Schwartz? Disappointed to see you go, my friend......

Posted by: winstoncupgal | November 24, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Awwww, they canned Forecast Earth before I got my federally issued personal carbon unit rationing card with Heidi Cullen's face on the front and algore's face on the back. she worked so hard for that too...sniffle.
I think we can learn to live responsibly without that carbon card in our wallets.
And speaking of wallets, while they blame the USA for heat in China, why don't they blame the third world countries for the deforestation there that is causing some of the intermittent hot spells overseas? Don't be suckered into supporting caps and trade bills. Legislation may start at the corporate level but will wind up on an individual level as we are "protected by the EPA, Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth and on and on.

Posted by: postinpossum | November 24, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Can't believe they got rid of Dave Schwartz - he was always an energetic, interesting, entertaining host. He explained weather concepts without the condescending nonsense ("think of the jetstream as a river of air") that marks some of the other on-camera people. Cheryl Lemke, I'm sure she's a nice person, but her hackneyed cliches and speaking cadence were unbelieveably annoying. Heidi Cullen is an absolute blathering joke - she would have us all living in huts and commuting on bicycles, probably made of bamboo since the rubber tires and aluminum frames have too much of a carbon footprint.

Posted by: caltrav | November 26, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Its impressive how strongly people feel with their opinions about global warming. Things are bordering on personal attacks at times. I'll comment based on several recent comments since my last post.

I agree that I'm not a businessman and probably don't have the constitution for it - however that is irrelevant to the argument about global warming.

Science does have a herd mentality at times, and some can exaggerate about certain aspects of global warming. On the whole however, if you look at the wide variety of evidence and beyond all the shouting I think there really is something to be concerned about.

Regarding the apparent cooling since 1998, 1998 was a spike due to an El-Nino superimposed on the longer term (decadal) warming trend. We've had mostly La-Ninas in the past few years that have temporarily slowed (masked) the warming. If you correct for this you can see the long term trend is continuing as I recall 2005 and 2007 were nearly at the record globally.

Humans clearly can have an impact on the planet if we are already capable of raising CO2 40% above natural levels.

The end of the ice age was a natural occurence, however we are now raising the temperature beyond what its natural peak would have been. It's all about teasing apart the combined influence of natural and human caused changes. There are both, however the present trends over the past few decades are dominated by the human caused component.

Mars by the way has long term climate change due to the way its axial tilt varies. It also changes in the short term depending on whether we are viewing it when at various distances from the sun in its orbit. I think the variations in atmospheric dust content also are a factor in absorbing sunlight. These are obviously natural changes and aren't related to the human caused recent warming on Earth.

Note again that once CO2 gets in the Earth's atmosphere it is difficult to remove it, so an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. We really don't have the luxury of waiting until it's blindingly obvious to everyone how warm it is getting, it will unfortunately be too late then to fully reverse it.

Posted by: scalbers | November 27, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

What's up with all the Dave Schwartz talk? He's still on. I'm looking at his mug giving the weather report right now!

I'm hoping they reconsidered their decision or that the report was wrong.

Dave 'da bomb!

Posted by: nowitall | November 28, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I am also confused as I see Dave Scwartz on the Weather Channel right now. What's going on?

Bill Cosby was right when he called TWC "MTV for old people." As far as who they get rid of, I would like to see Dave, Cheryl, and Eboni stay. The green unit has no good purpose. The data involved in the whole Global Warming is too small of a population to support a ironclad conclusion either way.

If NBC wanted to reduce cost and improve TWC, they could:
1. Get rid of Dr. Heidi Cullen. She is a blathering gas bag who has bought into the Al Gore platform while ignoring the holes in it.
2. Fire Jim Cantore. He is the William Shatner of the Weather Channel. Everything is incredibly overstated and verbose. I used to be a huge fan of his but his over the top approach has lost me.
3. Stop the garbage programming such as "When Weather Chagned History" and "It Could Happen". This is not why we watch TWC.
4. Get rid of Danny Lippman. If we want home repair tips, we'll watch "This Old House". Maybe Danny would be better with his own show on another NBC network like CNBC.
5. Get rid of difficult to listen to/watch OMCs like Nick Walker, Mike Siedel, and Alexandra Steele.
6. Reorganize the regional reporters. Send Julie Martin out to the midwest when needed. She's from Rockford, Illinois and knows the area. Any of the other OMCs can go on remote in the Atlanta area like Nicole Mitchell did yesterday.

That's a good start. Go back to what you do well. Some folks call that "Dance with the One that Brung Ya".

Posted by: dpparkerus | November 28, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I was a viewer of TWC since inception but they lost me when they foolishly stopped doing what they did best- forecast the weather- and started running all those documentary programs. Every time there was bad weather and I would tune in, that's what I would find. Gave them up for another channel that shows real time radar all the time.
Dave Schwartz- seems here to be popular but I always thought his "jokes" were corny and he was sort of an odd bird. And Heidi Cullen, she needs to find a new home for her global warming hysteria-- like another poster here I remember the new ice age scare of the 70's. Climate changes should be measured in 10,000 year increments, not 10 or even 100 years. Maybe the earth is warming, but there is as much science to disprove man is at fault or can control it as there is to conclude man's activities are the cause. With NBC holding the purse strings, I think it is TWC that is the endangered species!

Posted by: mccormackma | November 28, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

NBC is so-o-o-o-o out of it. CNBC, MSNBC, all horrible, now TWC will be also. I don't like TWC's new desk, huge screen and all the "standing" at the screen. It's ruined! I predict they will lose viewers just like all their other fiascos (Rosie!).

Posted by: What6 | November 28, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

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