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Posted at 7:30 PM ET, 01/28/2009

PM Update: Showers Then Overnight Refreeze

By Ian Livingston

Sun returns on Thursday to help melting

* Iwo Jima in the Snow | Deicing Tips | Winter Driving Tips *

SchoolCast... D.C. Schools: | MD and VA Schools:

After an icy mess of a morning, temperatures only gradually rose to around freezing this afternoon -- with some light drizzle and freezing drizzle lingering. Many side roads and sidewalks remain treacherous. The cold air is hanging on by a very thin thread; in Chesapeake, Va., it hit 70 degrees last hour.

Radar: Latest regional radar loop shows movement of precipitation over past two hours. Powered by HAMweather. Refresh page to update. Click here to see radar bigger. Or see radar bigger on our Weather Wall.

Through Evening: A wind from the south may tap a tiny fraction of the warm air in that direction, with temperatures rising a few more degrees before dark. At the same time, rain showers -- that could mix with freezing rain, sleet or snow, especially north and west -- will move through from the west as a cold front races by.

Tonight: After a risk of lingering evening showers, we clear out to partly cloudy skies overnight. It will also be quite chilly, with readings hitting the low-to-mid 20s along with a wind blowing around 10 to 15 mph. Any wet surfaces will refreeze, so be careful outside overnight.

Tomorrow (Thursday): Icy roads and sidewalks will likely make things difficult again tomorrow morning. Sunshine and rising temperatures will then aid the melting process, but we remain cold with highs topping out in the upper mid-to-upper 30s. Winds will be light from the west.

See Dan Stillman's forecast through the weekend.

Obama Mocks D.C.'s Weather Toughness: The Post reports President Obama thinks Washingtonians are weather wimps. "My children's school was canceled today because of what? Some ice," Obama said (jokingly) earlier today. "We're going to have to try some flinty, Chicago toughness to this town."

Snow Totals: Yesterday's event ended up being mainly a 1" to 3" of snow followed by ice type of storm. According to reports sent to the National Weather Service, big winners included many in Fairfax County, with several places including Burke, Centreville and Franconia coming in with 3"+. Ice accumulations last night were generally between .10" and .25" with a few higher amounts mixed in.

Keep reading for a list of snow and ice totals from yesterday and last night.

PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
SPOTTER REPORTS
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC
1132 AM EST WED JAN 28 2009

THE FOLLOWING ARE UNOFFICIAL OBSERVATIONS TAKEN DURING THE PAST 7 HOURS
FOR THE STORM THAT HAS BEEN AFFECTING OUR REGION. APPRECIATION IS EXTENDED
TO HIGHWAY DEPARTMENTS...COOPERATIVE OBSERVERS...SKYWARN SPOTTERS
AND MEDIA FOR THESE REPORTS. THIS SUMMARY IS ALSO AVAILABLE ON OUR
HOME PAGE AT WEATHER.GOV/BALTIMORE

********************STORM TOTAL SNOWFALL********************

LOCATION STORM TOTAL TIME/DATE COMMENTS
SNOWFALL OF
(INCHES) MEASUREMENT


MARYLAND

...ALLEGANY COUNTY...
ECKHART MINES 3.0 830 AM 1/28 27 DEG FZFG

...BALTIMORE COUNTY...
COCKEYSVILLE 2.5 900 AM 1/28 COCORAHS
KINGSVILLE 2.5 1045 AM 1/28 NWS SPOTTER

...CALVERT COUNTY...
NORTH BEACH 3.0 1024 AM 1/28

...FREDERICK COUNTY...
THURMONT 2.3 850 AM 1/28 COCORAHS

...HARFORD COUNTY...
NORRISVILLE 3.0 815 AM 1/28

...HOWARD COUNTY...
ELLICOTT CITY 1.5 500 AM 1/28 COCORAHS
LAUREL 1.5 1025 AM 1/28 NWS SPOTTER

...MONTGOMERY COUNTY...
NORBECK 1.5 700 AM 1/28
DAMASCUS 1.4 930 AM 1/28

...PRINCE GEORGE`S COUNTY...
BRANDYWINE 3.3 700 AM 1/28 COCORAHS
OXON HILL 2.6 700 AM 1/28
FRIENDLY 2.5 600 AM 1/28 COCORAHS
BOWIE 1.7 530 AM 1/28 COCORAHS

...ST. MARY`S COUNTY...
PARK HALL ESTATES 2.2 745 AM 1/28 COCORAHS

VIRGINIA

...CITY OF WINCHESTER...
WINCHESTER 2.5 1100 AM 1/28 NWS SPOTTER

...FAIRFAX COUNTY...
HERNDON 2.3 800 AM 1/28 NWS EMPLOYEE
HERNDON 2.0 700 AM 1/28 COCORAHS

...FAUQUIER COUNTY...
BEALETON 2.5 515 AM 1/28 COCORAHS
CASANOVA 2.5 805 AM 1/28 COCORAHS
OPAL 2.0 730 AM 1/28 COCORAHS

...FREDERICK COUNTY...
STEPHENS CITY 2E 2.2 700 AM 1/28
WINCHESTER 2.0 700 AM 1/28
MIDDLETOWN 1.6 800 AM 1/28 COCORAHS

...GREENE COUNTY...
STANARDSVILLE 0.7 700 AM 1/28 COCORAHS

...LOUDOUN COUNTY...
HAMILTON 1.5 945 AM 1/28 NWS SPOTTER

...PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY...
HAYMARKET 2.3 830 AM 1/28

...SHENANDOAH COUNTY...
WHEATFIELD 2.0 700 AM 1/28 COCORAHS
WOODSTOCK 1.0 925 AM 1/28 28 DEG FZFG

...SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY...
SPOTSYLVANIA 0.9 600 AM 1/28 COCORAHS

WEST VIRGINIA

...JEFFERSON COUNTY...
SHEPHERDSTOWN 3.8 1030 AM 1/28 NWS SPOTTER

...MINERAL COUNTY...
BURLINGTON 2.0 1030 AM 1/28

***********************STORM TOTAL ICE***********************

LOCATION STORM TOTAL TIME/DATE COMMENTS
ICE OF
(INCHES) MEASUREMENT


MARYLAND

...ALLEGANY COUNTY...
ECKHART MINES 0.25 830 AM 1/28 27 DEG FZFG

...ANNE ARUNDEL COUNTY...
ANNAPOLIS 0.20 700 AM 1/28 -FZDZ
LAUREL ACRES 0.20 700 AM 1/28 COCORAHS
SEVERNA PARK 0.15 800 AM 1/28 COCORAHS
CROFTON 0.13 702 AM 1/28

...BALTIMORE COUNTY...
KINGSVILLE 0.25 1045 AM 1/28 NWS SPOTTER
TOWSON 0.25 705 AM 1/28

...CALVERT COUNTY...
NORTH BEACH 0.20 1024 AM 1/28
PRINCE FREDERICK 0.20 700 AM 1/28 COCORAHS

...FREDERICK COUNTY...
POINT OF ROCKS 0.38 700 AM 1/28
THURMONT 0.10 850 AM 1/28 COCORAHS

...HOWARD COUNTY...
ELLICOTT CITY 0.40 545 AM 1/28
LAUREL 0.20 1025 AM 1/28 NWS SPOTTER

...MONTGOMERY COUNTY...
DAMASCUS 0.25 930 AM 1/28
GERMANTOWN 0.25 600 AM 1/28 COCORAHS
GERMANTOWN 0.25 945 AM 1/28 NWS SPOTTER
CLARKSBURG 0.24 630 AM 1/28 3 E CLARKSBURG
COLESVILLE 0.20 541 AM 1/28
BROOKEVILLE 0.10 645 AM 1/28

...PRINCE GEORGE`S COUNTY...
OXON HILL 0.30 700 AM 1/28
BRANDYWINE 0.25 700 AM 1/28 COCORAHS
FRIENDLY 0.25 600 AM 1/28 COCORAHS

...ST. MARY`S COUNTY...
PARK HALL ESTATES 0.10 745 AM 1/28 COCORAHS

VIRGINIA

...ALBEMARLE COUNTY...
OVERTON 0.30 600 AM 1/28 COCORAHS

...ARLINGTON COUNTY...
REAGAN NATIONAL 0.25 519 AM 1/28 2 W DCA

...AUGUSTA COUNTY...
GREENVILLE 0.25 700 AM 1/28 COCORAHS

...CITY OF HARRISONBURG...
HARRISONBURG 0.25 1052 AM 1/28 EOC

...CITY OF STAUNTON...
STAUNTON 0.30 1100 AM 1/28 EOC

...CITY OF WINCHESTER...
WINCHESTER 0.12 1100 AM 1/28 NWS SPOTTER

...CLARKE COUNTY...
BERRYVILLE 0.25 1048 AM 1/28 EOC

...CULPEPER COUNTY...
CULPEPER 0.25 1036 AM 1/28 EOC

...FAIRFAX COUNTY...
HERNDON 0.25 800 AM 1/28 NWS EMPLOYEE
HERNDON 0.25 700 AM 1/28 COCORAHS
TYSONS CORNER 0.25 645 AM 1/28 NWS EMPLOYEE
MERRIFIELD 0.12 700 AM 1/28 NWS EMPLOYEE

...FAUQUIER COUNTY...
BEALETON 0.25 515 AM 1/28 COCORAHS
CASANOVA 0.25 805 AM 1/28 COCORAHS
WARRENTON 0.25 1038 AM 1/28 EOC

...FREDERICK COUNTY...
WINCHESTER 0.25 700 AM 1/28
MIDDLETOWN 0.20 800 AM 1/28 COCORAHS

...GREENE COUNTY...
STANDARDSVILLE 0.35 1032 AM 1/28 EOC

...HIGHLAND COUNTY...
MONTEREY 0.10 1105 AM 1/28

...LOUDOUN COUNTY...
ASHBURN 0.30 830 AM 1/28 NWS EMPLOYEE
STERLING 0.30 505 AM 1/28 NWS
MIDDLEBURG 0.25 638 AM 1/28
ASHBURN 0.13 830 AM 1/28 NWS EMPLOYEE
ASHBURN 0.13 820 AM 1/28 NWS EMPLOYEE
HAMILTON 0.07 945 AM 1/28 NWS SPOTTER

...MADISON COUNTY...
MADISON 0.25 1030 AM 1/28 EOC

...NELSON COUNTY...
PINEY RIVER 0.38 815 AM 1/28 PINEY RIVER
FABER 0.25 1000 AM 1/28 NWS SPOTTER
LOVINGSTON 0.25 1040 AM 1/28

...ORANGE COUNTY...
ORANGE 0.25 1042 AM 1/28 EOC

...PAGE COUNTY...
LURAY 0.25 1044 AM 1/28 EOC

...PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY...
HAYMARKET 0.10 830 AM 1/28

...RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY...
WASHINGTON 0.35 1034 AM 1/28 EOC

...SHENANDOAH COUNTY...
WOODSTOCK 0.25 1050 AM 1/28 EOC

...WARREN COUNTY...
FRONT ROYAL 0.30 1046 AM 1/28 EOC

WEST VIRGINIA

...BERKELEY COUNTY...
BUNKER HILL 0.10 600 AM 1/28

...GRANT COUNTY...
PETERSBURG 0.30 1025 AM 1/28

...HAMPSHIRE COUNTY...
ROMNEY 0.25 1054 AM 1/28 EOC
ROMNEY 2.5W 0.12 900 AM 1/28 NWS SPOTTER

...HARDY COUNTY...
MOOREFIELD 0.25 516 AM 1/28

...JEFFERSON COUNTY...
RANSON 0.30 1058 AM 1/28
SHEPHERDSTOWN 0.25 1030 AM 1/28 NWS SPOTTER

...MINERAL COUNTY...
BURLINGTON 0.25 1030 AM 1/28
KEYSER 0.25 930 AM 1/28
KEYSER 5SE 0.10 1014 AM 1/28

...MORGAN COUNTY...
BERKELEY SPRINGS 0.50 1056 AM 1/28 EOC

...PENDLETON COUNTY...
FRANKLIN 0.10 1100 AM 1/28
RIVERTON 0.10 1102 AM 1/28

By Ian Livingston  | January 28, 2009; 7:30 PM ET
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Comments

any chance of a moco closing? i know there's a chance of a delay but what about a closing?

The refreeze tonight then high of 33 tomorrow. Is there a chance of a closing?

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

70 in chesapeake? That can't be right can it?

Posted by: buckeye96 | January 28, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

its happened before i know.

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

hoyafan: do your homework.

I wouldn't rule out a 2 hour delay though.

Posted by: LaurainNWDC | January 28, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

MoCo will NOT close tomorrow. With a little bit more winter to go and we're using snow days fast they aren't going to call off IMO. Delay is possible.

Posted by: Kmlwx | January 28, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Hoya: Like Laura said, I would do your homework if I were you. I'd be willing to bet money on 2 hour delays tomorrow, though. I went out a little while ago (before the heavy rain started) and walked along some of the sidewalks. Needless to say I almost killed myself a few times slipping and sliding. Whatever rain/snow/sleet/freezing rain falls today will freeze hard tonight, so the 2 hour delay isn't out of the question. Doubt any closings though unless the rain washes away the salt/sand.

Posted by: weatherdudeVA | January 28, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm feeling a bit defensive about the President's comments about our collective wimpiness. I'm from the NYC area and yes, DC is easy to make fun of when it snows. (And when I lived in CT, I heard a Canadian make fun of New Englanders and their frantic reaction to an impending snowstorm.)

But give us a break, Mr. President. We just don't get enough of the frozen precip to handle it gracefully. Our reactions are normal responses to winter events that are not a constant part of the winter here. We would have a more flinty attitude if we were used to it like you Chicagoans. Yes we're wimps, but we come by it honestly!

Posted by: lilymama | January 28, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

buckeye96:

Check the recent obs from the Tidewater area.

All in 60's and a couple of spots @ 70.

Warm air is tantalizingly close by. But, as usual, won't make it here. :(

Posted by: ThinkSpring | January 28, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Lilymama - I hear ya! I am a lifelong resident of MoCo and I took offense to that comment too, even though I support Obama on everything else! I have a Grandfather who lives in Chicago and he told me they rarely have to contend with ice. They have straight snow, which is much easier to drive on. They also have more weather events and have a better infrastructure to handle it. To continue, if North Carolina gets snow, they freak out even more than we do...so it is all relative.

Posted by: authorofpoetry | January 28, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

so no chance at all? even if sidewalks are still horrible and sand is washd away and everything freezes (which is going to happen).

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

@buckeye96

It's really true (re: near 70 degree temps in SE Va). Scroll down a couple posts or click here -- and pan to the southeast using the live temperature map (click and hold on map to pan). Notice how the temperatures abruptly rise in SE Va -- as much as 25+ degrees in 25 miles. It's pretty fascinating.

Posted by: CapitalWeatherGang | January 28, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

FCPS here...Fingers crossed for a two-hour delay, can't see Tistadt allowing another "safe" day off after the fiasco last year :P

Posted by: eloquensa | January 28, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

There's lots of standing water out there, that's for sure... Refreezing is going to be an issue tomorrow am. It'll probably be a 2 hr delay for FCPS.

Posted by: mchristinaw | January 28, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

2 hr delay for moco probably.

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

For any Fed wimps who didn't get the message from the boss, video is linked here.

Posted by: CapitalClimate | January 28, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

left this on the previous post, not knowing a new one was up:

Re: presidential snow day concerns.

I would like to point out that the roads in DC were fairly clear and easy to maneuver by a reasonable hour this morning. AND DC public school opened today. Late, but they were open. Now the Obamas go to a private school. I fully support the concept of private school and, should I ever have children, would consider it for my kids. However they do have a bit of a reputation for coddling the little ones a bit. This is a good example. If the Obamas were enrolled in public school, they wouldn't have had the day off.

Posted by: AnneinSand | January 28, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Also a lifelong resident who is sick of being called a wimp, I challenge all those Chicagoans and northerners to deal with a Washington summer without complaint.

We may be ice wimps (which is, yes, much more dangerous than snow), but how many people would suffer through our humidity gracefully? For that matter, how many of them have the guts to tackle the beltway on an icy day?

Posted by: dinergirl | January 28, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

The temp. gradient line is even closer than the Tidewater. According to NWS, it's 39 in Fredericksburg and 65 in Richmond (as of just before 4:00 PM).

Posted by: joshnva | January 28, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Funny thing is, Chicago closed schools last week for 5 inches of snow. That's some real Chicago toughness! lol Also, it seems every summer, Chicago schools close early because of high heat. Let's see Obama deal with 95 degrees with high humidity this summer in DC with no complaints. One last thought on this topic, this wasn't a minor event. Someone died yesterday in the area. 19 people died overall in this storm. Schools were closed from Arkansas to Maryland to Philly to NY to Maine. Why is it that DC (who's public school system actually remained open) got such a bad rap?

Posted by: schrute | January 28, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

dinergirl:

I live here now, and spent a lot of summers here before I moved here permanently, and I grew up in Houston, TX, one of the humidity capitals of the world.

And I handle heat and humidity anything BUT gracefully. I bellyache constantly =P.

Posted by: jahutch | January 28, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

schrute -

To be fair, this was a FAR worse storm in many of the places you listed than it was here. Places in AR and KY got over an inch of solid ice. I still have trouble with the idea the media calls this a "major winter storm" for this area though. It got messy because of the ice, but it wasn't a major storm.

Posted by: jahutch | January 28, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Fredricksburg jumped 5 degrees last hour to 41.

Posted by: ThinkSpring | January 28, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

i asked this on the other thread, but it ended before i got an answer.

why is the map on "regional radar loop" on the "weather wall" crooked? the east-west line representing the north edge of maryland is sloped...

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | January 28, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

If it does in fact get down to 22 tonight, tomorrow morning will definitely be interesting.

Posted by: wecndo | January 28, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

jahutch,

I agree that some parts had some more snow or some more ice. But many jurisdictions had totals identical or similar to DC. DE, NJ, much of PA, and I believe NYC. Even parts of Ohio were similar and all those jurisdictions shut down the schools. Now you would think most of those place are much more used to snow/ice than us, yet we get ripped for our "be safe" reaction to our FIRST storm of the year. Also, I agree this was not a major event for us, but it wasn't minor either. I'm not a big believer in overreaction, but unlike Obama, I put safety first and toughness second when it comes to snow and ice. That's just my two cents.

Posted by: schrute | January 28, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Old Town currently at 33 degrees. I walked around Old Town, Alexandria between noon and now. One side of King street was clear and walking there was fine. Side streets were very dangerous. I was surprised how few businesses cleared the sidewalks in front of thier buildings. My condo had just cleared the sidewalks when I left at noon. On my way back in at 4, I almost fell, because I did not notice the invisible thin layer of ice that had reformed. I would say that generally there wasn't the best conditions for pedestrians. Now I am a S. Florida girl, and I am the first to say that I am a wimp when it comes to ice and snow. But I can't imagine anyone thinking most area school systems should have stayed open today. Many side streets were skating rinks.

Posted by: Snowlover2 | January 28, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Wow, looking at the temperature map is pretty freaky, CWG. If you pan over to Richmond, to the north it's 30's and 40's, but the southern suburbs are in the 60's. Wild.

Posted by: MKoehl | January 28, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Next tuesday looks to be a major rain storm for our area. surprise surprise!

Posted by: clintonportis17 | January 28, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I admit it's completely irrational... but it makes me so angry that there is 60 degree weather so close by. I want to drive down there right now, take off my gloves and hat, luxuriate in the warmth, and then drive back up refreshed to face tomorrow's re-freeze nightmare.

Posted by: zignight | January 28, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Schrute, I think you misunderstood my post. I am a big defender of school closings here, even for minor events. I think it was ABSOLUTELY appropriate for schools to close today. I think it would have been rather negligent for them not to close. I always say better safe than sorry on that subject.

Plus closing schools substantially reduces traffic, and allows road crews more leeway to get things cleared up. I think the districts that closed made the right call. I just think its funny that this is called a "major winter storm" by the media. 1996 was a major winter storm.

Posted by: jahutch | January 28, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I am quite bullish on the realistic possibility of a major east coast snow storm (first this season) developing in the late Monday to Tuesday time frame next week. It's naturally too early to specify details, such as exact timing, and amounts or whether the DC region will be be experiencing just a close miss as other areas in the east get slammed.

Snow lovers, consider this an unofficial heads up (I don't speak for CWG forecasters).

In case anyone has not caught on yet, I too am fanatical snow lover. Believe it or not, though, I'm hoping that I'm wrong. It's probably very selfish of me, but I'll be away next week (FL), and the thought of missing yet again another "big one" (as has been the case too often in the past)is very depressing.

Posted by: SteveT-CapitalWeatherGang | January 28, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I was in Florida for a wedding and missed the 2003 President's Day Snow storm. I will be at another wedding in Fl next week. So, Murphy's law dictates that if we get an event that gives us a respectable amount of snow this winter, it will be next week when I'm away.

Posted by: Snowlover2 | January 28, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

@steveT
i like the way you think! and, boy, i sure hope you're right. i remember one time i was in florida and was SNOWED OUT of dc. oh the irony! we had to spend an extra night in miami. i know to most people an extra night in miami sounds great, but not to me when there's snow in dc....

btw, any ideas on why the regional radar shows up crooked?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | January 28, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

SteveT--latest run seems to make Monday/Tuesday's strom just a lotta rain (not only for us but much of eastern mid-atlantic and southern New England). Some nice qpf, but not in the fun white flake variety.

Posted by: GISman | January 28, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

zignight -

Not at all irrational. I'm right there with you.

Last Friday was so nice. Everyone I came in contact with was happy, smiling. All were talking about how nice the weather was.

Posted by: ThinkSpring | January 28, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

A few minutes ago here in Mount Vernon the sky got a real crimson glow, and a rainbow briefly appeared over the Potomac. I don't believe I've ever seen a rainbow with snow on the ground before.

Posted by: Etta- | January 28, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Walter--this is a matter of map projections. There are several ways to represent a round earth on a flat surface. Only the narrowly focused and highly distorted (for size and shape) Mercator projection would produce that nice horizontal line for latitude-based borders (like MD's northern border).

A more realistic projection that better accounts for realistic depictions of size and shape of things like county and state boundaries is being used in the radar. This means that North is not always straight-up for all points on the map. This directional distortion is least pronounced where the map is centered (mostly likely the great plains for thelower 48 radar). The snippet of the national radar that is zoomed to our region is still keeping the projection centered on the full national view, and thus we see mor of a directional distortion. Other radars that are focused just on our region (like some the NWS or television stations) center their projections on or near DC and thus their map distortions (including directional distortions) are far less noticeable.

Posted by: GISman | January 28, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we should point out that Chicagoans are wimps when it comes heat in the summer. It seems that they have a disaster on their hands anytime it gets over 85 degrees.

@ SteveT

Currently the models are showing next week's nor'easter tracking too far inland, resulting in a torrential rainstorm for DC. Hopefully the low will track farther east and we'll get a snowstorm, but I am trying not to get my hopes up at this point.

@ walter-in-fallschurch

The map is projected incorrectly for this area. My guess is that the map is projected at a continental scale, which is fine for showing the country as a whole, but a poor choice for any region other than the Great Plains.

Posted by: bdeco | January 28, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Spectacular sunset out here! Winds are really starting to pick up, looks like a spring thunderstorm!

Posted by: weathergrrl | January 28, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Hey everybody! If I'm not mistaken, our very own Jamie Jones was just on the news, and it had nothing to do with the weather. He appeared to be a "person on the street" and was asked his opinion on tacking on more money to traffic fines to pay for police gas use in Virginia. His answer is irrelevant to this post, just pointing out he is a star!
Woo Hoo!

Posted by: pjdunn1 | January 28, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

thanks gisman and bdeco. i got it re: the "crooked" map.

@gisman: while your explanation of the "crooked" map was great, i will choose to ignore your depressing (but likely realistic) assessment of next week's "blizzard of 09".

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | January 28, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Steve T:

The timing would be right. I am out of town in Houston next week, so I'm sure the only major snow of the season has a much higher chance of occurring! =D

Posted by: jahutch | January 28, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Comments from the NWS on next week...

and operational GFS and European model (ecmwf) along continue to
come more in line in projecting a deep negatively titled 500 mb and
associated closed low spawning a coastal low off the southeast
Continental U.S. That will move up the coast early next week. Have upped probability of precipitation
to high chance...and the system will be closely watched.

**I have decided to stick to my RAINMAN status as I did predict accurately (until I got caught up in the hype) that we would receive 1-2" of snow with a sleet/rain mix.**

THUNDER BOLT GREG will be unveiled this Spring!

Posted by: stinkerflat1 | January 28, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Really wild watching the temps suddenly spike upward right at sunset. Temps have gone up 3-4 degrees just in the last 30 minutes.

Posted by: ThinkSpring | January 28, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Really because if I recall you were calling it a rain event until the day before the event.

Posted by: amorris525 | January 28, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

pjdunn - You're right, that was Jamie Jones...I saw him too, commenting on NBC as a 'man on the street'.

Jamie, own up! :-)

Posted by: --sg | January 28, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Interesting to note that Shenandoah, Orange and Madison have thrown in the towel for tomorrow already.

Anne Arundel has scheduled a staff workday so they are now closed as well for tomorrow.

Delays are popping up too - Spotsy is delayed tomorrow with a few others in VA and WV.

Posted by: Kmlwx | January 28, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

For the model savvy geeks, take a look at the GFS ensembles from this morning - scan to the 132 hour and later time frame.

For others, when most folks mention models they are usually referring to a very small sampling of what's possible (e.g., GFS, ECMWF). The ensembles greatly increase the sample size and thereby a provide fuller representation of possible scenarios. In the case here, the ensembles show a strong signal for a major storm which has about the same chance of staying far enough east for snow in these parts as going west and having just rain. And these odds have been increasing as we get closer to the first part of next week. A big snowstorm at this time is far from being in the bag, but the odds now appear greater than any other time this season, and for that matter better than any time in the last few years.

Questions welcome

Posted by: SteveT-CapitalWeatherGang | January 28, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Culpeper is closed too according to their website.

Posted by: Kmlwx | January 28, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

SteveT-CapitalWeatherGang


Let me ask this question! Right now, Are there more things going against a snowstorm then for it?

Posted by: clintonportis17 | January 28, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

@clintonportis17: NO, as I see it

Posted by: SteveT-CapitalWeatherGang | January 28, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Steve T-

Since you're only focusing on GFS, why no mention of the 12Z Euro which has this far inland? Hasn't the Euro greatly outperformed the GFS at the 6-7 day level?

Posted by: ThinkSpring | January 28, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Dulles airport jumped from 35 at 5:52 to 45 at 6:26 (now back to 42). DCA... 39 at 5:52 and 43 at 6:52.

Posted by: Ian-CapitalWeatherGang | January 28, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

@ThinkSpring

I'm referring to the GFS ensembles, not any single GFS model run. The ensemble generates 20 individual GFS forecasts each model run time as a function of small changes to the GFS analysis: simulates Chaos - small changes (analysis errors) can often lead to big differences in model forecasts.

ECMWF also runs an ensemble (50 individual forecasts), but all you'll probably ever see - unless you pay big bucks - is the single run twice per day. All I can say is that its unlikely the ECMWF ensembles differ significantly in odds on storm possibilities.

Posted by: SteveT-CapitalWeatherGang | January 28, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Any chance of a moco closing. anne arundel closed already.

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

what is a staff workday? was it already planned or is it cuz of the snow.

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

We just seem to have had a triple-point passage in the local area--a rarity for D.C. This explains some of the widely divergent temperature figures, and also the coastal thunderstorms to our east.

The storm projected for early next week is also interesting. The source region and projected track appear similar to that of the Jan. 28, 1922 Knickerbocker storm, which holds the record for D.C. snowfall for one storm [the Washington/Jefferson storm of 1/28/1772 happened prior to the keeping of regular weather records!]. Thus we could either get one heck of a snowstorm or one heck of a BORING OL' SOAKER, depending on where this system tracks [most bloggers here seem to be favoring the "soaker"]. Since I have scheduled swing dances Monday and Tuesday evenings I'll be watching this projected system closely ...and hoping the model runs push it slightly to the east!!!

Posted by: Bombo47jea | January 28, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Hoya, what workday are you referring to? We had a workday on Monday. It has nothing to do with weather.

Posted by: PoorTeacher | January 28, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Bombo, thanks for the info. Hopefully it is snow, but if not let it be rain. I've had enough of the ice for one season.

Posted by: PoorTeacher | January 28, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

for anne arundel it said they issued a teacher work day recently, is that because of the snow?

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

SchoolCast has just been added at the top of this post!

Posted by: CapitalWeatherGang | January 28, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm.. might be. I'm not familiar with how things work up there. I doubt its weather related.

Posted by: PoorTeacher | January 28, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

THAT SCHOOL CAST IS RIDICULOUS! IT should at least be 2 and a half. all of the water will freeze. temps will be in the 20's and not reach above freezing by noon. 2 hr delays wont stop the ice. You cant salt more then once. I think its definitely gonna be a delay but maybe even another closing. Chances are we're not going to get anymore snow this winter. Moco should close tomorrow. Im sorry but that school cast is off.

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

I'd have to disagree with you Hoya. MOCO wont want to close. Days are slim since they gave us inauguration off. 2 hour delay... if that.

Posted by: PoorTeacher | January 28, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

could you pleeeeeeeasssee change it to 2 and a half apples. I mean, think of what is going to happen tomorrow. EVery road in my neighborhood is barely treated. Ice and snow are still covering them. A bus won't be able to get up a hill covered in ice. There is no way it'll be a 2 hr delay. It won't melt until that afternoon (far after 2 hrs). MD Law: You may not salt roads more then once do to the pollution of the chesapeake bay water system. I say it's either on time or a closing for moco.

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

i expect on time or a closing. 2 hr delays woont help.

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Hoya,

Do you honestly think that the school officials are going to be saying, "Welp, looks like we won't have any more snow this year, so what the hell, let's just close down tomorrow."

They will be doing everything in order to open schools as scheduled. I would bet on delays. Closings of the major counties are possibilities, but would definitely surprise me.

Posted by: wecndo | January 28, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Haha. The school cast is not an actual deciding factor in whether schools will be closed or not. They could bump it up to 3.5 and there would be no difference.

Posted by: wecndo | January 28, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

do you teach in northern or southern. im in southern moco where it is a lot worse then northern where damascus and germantown are. You'd have to be crazy to have school tomorrow. Weast lives in damascus anyway. We're not going to get anymore snow anyway. temps in feb will stay above freezing. MOCO would be happy to use the day. I just don't see y they cant make a decision the night before. its ridiculous.

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

good point. It's wrong sometimes too. sorry but an icon on a website doesnt change my opinion

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

culpeper closed. they have the same thing as us. if not better conditions then us.

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody at all agree with me?

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

if loudon closes moco closes. culpeper is right below us. why is it they get canceled and moco wouldnt even though we had the same exact thing they had. Moco did such a poor job on the roads today.

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

I'd prefer the 2 hour delay... still plenty of winter to have another storm. Mon/tues looks like a possibility. We close tomorrow, we are out of days.. I think.

Posted by: PoorTeacher | January 28, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

nope. we would have one more after tomorrow. It's not like they dont cancel school if we're out of days. I mean nobody wants to go to school in the summer but i dont know. What are the chances for mon tues?

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

I have a question for Steve T with respect to a possible storm. Do storms predicted this far out EVER verify? I am not being cute, I really do want to know. It seems to me that being at or near the bullseye of a big storm this far out is a sure sign it won't happen.

But maybe I'm wrong ... have there been big snowstorms predicted on models five and six days out that actually happened?

Posted by: SoMoCo | January 28, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

hoyafan516 - you are wayyy too obsessed! LOL Better do your homework. But to be fair - I remember those days of wishing and wishing and wishing for a day off. It never happened back in those days though.

Posted by: schrute | January 28, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Hoyafan, odds are, highway depts. will have plenty of time to treat roads through the night. Also, hate to sound like a broken record, but, coming from the snow belt of NY, just enjoy the fact that you actually get snow days off of school.

Posted by: Brian-CapitalWeatherGang | January 28, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Culpepper and Loudon counties are collectively much more rural than Montgomery and FFX.

Posted by: wecndo | January 28, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

????? whats that supposed to mean. ones across a river. what difference does that make hahahaha :)

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

what is city of falls church (county) where is that. they have a code red. isnt falls church in ffx

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

jahutch -

Ahhh memories. I remember 1996 when I was at Salisbury University. It was one of the best snows we had in recent memory. But being on campus I didn't have to deal with the shoveling and sweeping like I do now. lol Certainly changes my perspective nowadays! Do you remember the severe ice storm we had in DC during the early 90's? I remember PG closing schools for almost the entire week. When was that? It was the worst winter storm I can remember having.

Posted by: schrute | January 28, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

snow is rare here. its not like it snows everyday like up in syracuse

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and, Go 'Cuse!

Posted by: Brian-CapitalWeatherGang | January 28, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

you just dont get what its like for a kid to want to have no school. I know you've all been kids but i mean anything is possible. Many surrounding counties are closing. I have my own opinions but i think they will close

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

SoMoCo:

I know your question was for Steve T. But IMO with where the storm is now and it being 6-7 day range something tells me that its not going to be the correct solution. I think all the models and all of the GFS esembles agree that there will be a BIG STORM but where it will be is still a big question mark!! The bad thing IMO is that most if not all the models area agreeing on an inland runner with a heavy windswept rain for us. It will flip flop in the days to come! 18Z GFS was WACKY to say the least just so you know lol

Posted by: clintonportis17 | January 28, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

no! go hoyas ;) just messin with ya. but i think there's no school for moco after such a poor job. I wish you could see how bad the roads are. they are statring to freeze too. 36 here in bethesda

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

moco shall close

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Nice Brian! I'm a huge CUSE fan as well. Not looking great for them... rather mediocre. You from cuse? Dad is from cuse and Mom was from McGraw.

Posted by: PoorTeacher | January 28, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

where are falls church city schools?

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

cuse' is tied to providence 44 44 hahahaha goes to show you

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

does a code red mean a closing. cuz falls church is right next to moco. hhaha my luck is beginning to turn

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Falls Church is a very small city in FFX. I went to the Falls Church website http://www.fccps.k12.va.us/

I don't see any Code Red, but then again I do not even know what that means.

Posted by: wecndo | January 28, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

oh my goodness hoya, settle down. Hoping and praying and posting repeatedly will not make schools close.

I'm a teacher in MoCo and it's possible I want schools closed even more than you do - I get paid to stay home!

Posted by: anon34 | January 28, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

o its on wusa9.com

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

haha where do you teach? :)

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

wait...can you like talk to the guy that watches the weather for moco and decides for school or not. hahaha.

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

And when I said more rural, I mean worse roads, poor treatment, less people and so forth. Montgomery and Fairfax are very people dense and are top priorities to for the area to clean up.

D.C. is much closer to MoCo than Falls Church, and D.C. is always open.

That being said, Falls Church RARELY closes.

Posted by: wecndo | January 28, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

... and G'twon is losing to Cincy.

Poorteach, Have faith my brethren! At least I see a return to the NCAA in our future. I myself am from down the road in Rochester, but am a lifelong fan of the Orange.

Posted by: Brian-CapitalWeatherGang | January 28, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Dude hoya...36 doesn't make ice. Freezing point is 32 calm down. Very unlikely that we close. Stop posting so much.

Posted by: Kmlwx | January 28, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Well cuse lost to cleveland st

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

@SoMoCo

I'm not predicting a snowstorm, just saying in my experience (going back to the early 90's) the odds appear unusually high this far ahead for the possibility to be considered notably more than just wishful thinking.

Since I'm hoping that the DC area miss THIS storm - for the selfish reason I mentioned earlier - I can't be accused of being a "snow crow" biased towards the snow possibilities (not that when serious I am biased otherwise)

Posted by: SteveT-CapitalWeatherGang | January 28, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

well ill be sleeping in on the closing tomorrow

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Cuse will make the tourny, but will exit round 2 I think.

Posted by: PoorTeacher | January 28, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

np they're still good

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Hoya, you're setting yourself up for failure. We cannot compare ourselves to the ruralness of Madison county and the other counties that are closing. Some drying has occurred. They may in fact delay...but close? Come on.

Posted by: Kmlwx | January 28, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Hoya, I'm just going to go ahead and say it since nobody else will. Your incessant posts about your hoping that MoCo will close tomorrow will not sway Weast's decision either way; and frankly it's getting a tad annoying. We know that some of the side roads and sidewalks are bad -- they still are here, too. Given the fact that it's supposed to get into the lower 20s tonight, there is a better-than-50% chance that major counties will have a delay tomorrow. Bank on having school tomorrow, do your homework and go to bed at your regular school-night time. Wecndo had a good point - Culpeper and Loudoun counties are relatively rural. Snow plows/sand trucks may not have gotten to all of the areas in those counties. MoCo probably won't make a decision tonight, they'll want to wait until tomorrow morning, with good reason. Just calm down a bit and wait until a decision is made. I, for one, would love another snow day or a delay, but it's up to what the PWCPS Director of Transportation (I think he's the one who calls it) decides tonight or tomorrow morning. My posting my snow day wishes all over the blog probably won't sway it either way. So, just take a deep breath, and repeat after me: Goosfraba... Goosfraba...

Posted by: weatherdudeVA | January 28, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

For a change, the strong winds are a welcome sound. Should at least help with the drying of the wet roads. There will certainly be black ice in the morning, but hopefully the winds will limit it to patchy black ice as opposed to full coverage.

Hate those white-knuckle drives on that stuff.

Posted by: ThinkSpring | January 28, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

goosfraba goosfraba

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

FCPS 2 hour delay tommorow.

Posted by: Snowman_In_Herndon | January 28, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

whats fcps

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

My school is getting out at 12:00 and we have a 10:00 AM opening.

I'll take it. =)

Posted by: wecndo | January 28, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

So does MOCO. 2 hr delay.

Posted by: PoorTeacher | January 28, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

moco announced the 2 hr delay you were right. sorry for being annoying. see ya'll next snow storm :)

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Congrats Hoya, enjoy your delay and see ya next snowstorm.


BTW - I'm ready for spring. NO MORE SNOW!

(HAHA...sorry :P )

Posted by: weatherdudeVA | January 28, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Wahey FCPS 2 hour delay :D

Posted by: eloquensa | January 28, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Since I think we can be pretty sure the suits making the on time/delay/cancel decision are on top of the total weather situation (current conditions, prediction for tonight and early am, likelyhood of future storms), I would say it is pretty unlikely that any close in counties will close tomorrow. In Ffx, we had three days, and used one today. Parents and most teachers would rather not extend the school year. In Ffx, if there are four snowdays, we lose the April teacher workday, which teachers aren't thrilled about. And although eventually we would have to extend the school year, since practically the entire focus of the school year is preparing students for the assessment tests, which in FCPS are given in May, an extra day in June doesn't help.

So I would say that, faced with the knowledge that there is a decent chance of another storm, the icing would have to rival what it was today in order for the suits to want to cancel tomorrow also. And I don't think it is, given that the temps are still above freezing. I am counting on a delay, though.

Posted by: janedoe5 | January 28, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Right on, JD, right on (:

Posted by: eloquensa | January 28, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

I know this is annoying but 5 years ago they called a 2 hr delay the night before and then changed it to a closing the next day. Is this possible? sorry im obsessed. but is there a chance? c ya guys later. You're all very smart at weather my site is nsws.zoomshare.com

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Just getting home from work, and yes, that was me playing hooky this morning and grabbing lunch at Baja Fresh on NCB4! I was hoping it was going to be weather related, but oh well, what can ya do? I mean, $10? Really? ;)

However, after a long few days of site maintenance and storm tracking (on top of my normal job), I am beat (I looked miserable in that video). Hope for no school for those who wish it (and not for those parents who need a break), and let's all hope for a nice snowy 12z model run. Same place, Same time in 5 days?

Posted by: JJones-CapitalWeatherGang | January 28, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

is it definite that we're having tons of snow in 5 days?

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

im confused. the moco delay isnt posted on any other website like wtop or wusa9. ?????? does this mean its not final??????

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

nvm they posted it

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

well lets move on to 5 days is there gonna be alot of snow cuz i need it ;)

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Is there any mechanism where someone can be banned? This Hoyafan guy is getting to be very annoying. He is probably some little 13 year old but he is making a travesty of your site. Get rid of him.

Posted by: MKadyman | January 28, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

i said i was gone til the next snow storm

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Prince William schools just announced a two-hour delay for Thursday.

Posted by: meta2 | January 28, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

hoyafa516 posted 39 TIMES!! That's gotta be a record.

Posted by: schrute | January 28, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

oops...make that 40.

Posted by: schrute | January 28, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

hoya...are you seriously asking if a storm 5 days out will "definitely" give us snow?! Ridiculous. Definition of a weather weenie right here folks.

Posted by: Kmlwx | January 28, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

wow congrats you just overpowered a 12 year old seriously i already appologized. I will not comment anymore (too much). I have a right. If you think you're cool overpowering a 12 year old then you got something wrong with you. Sorry Jason and all the guys with capital weather. I am sorry to "disrupt" all of the nice people on this site. This site is so good though. I wouldn't be on it if it was bad. From now on I won't comment 40 times i mean thats crazy. there are some interesting weather conversations though. Not just about moco closings. haha. But you can't just kick someone off. I'm sorry.

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Man I think capital weather should come up with some kinda of weather forum or something like that! It would be a big hit for this area.

Posted by: clintonportis17 | January 28, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

hoyafan516 -

I think its great that you have such an interest in weather. I think we would all rather have you ask meaningful questions about that versus 40 posts on moco school closings. I'm sure we can all learn something new from CWG if you ask them weather related questions. On a side note, you're not really supposed to be posting here if you're not at least 13yrs old. See full rules link below. So yes, they can ban you from posting. But I have a feeling if you keep the postings to minimum, and keep them related to weather, everyone will be happier.

Posted by: schrute | January 28, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Is it safe yet to ask questions about things other than moco school closings?

Cause I want to know if we are closer to having any idea what the commute will be like tomorrow morning (round 8:30). I'm thinking about taking Metro instead of driving because I'm no good on ice.

What are the chances of that wind drying off the roads?

Posted by: LaurainNWDC | January 28, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Ok Thanks for the advice and I am sorry. :(

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Actually they can and have kicked folks off. I don't think they should kick you off, I just agree that 40 (or 41 now?) comments about MoCo delaying/closing is a bit much. Keep in in the low 20s next time, okay? :) And pssst, Hoya, between you and me, it's the 41 comments that make us teenagers look bad on the Internet (I'm 17, if you were wondering). Not saying you can't comment, just don't do it as much.

Posted by: weatherdudeVA | January 28, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

alright. hopefully less than that. :) I have a WEATHER wuestion. I'm confused on what a clipper is. I've heard of an alberta clipper and im confused on what they are. Can anybody tell me what a clipper is. ps. my road is starting to freeze big time. I think its still above freezing but it's getting there.???

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

ps the 12 year old thing shoudlnt be a problem in 2 days :)

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Good night...good luck to for everyone in the commute tomorrow ;)

Sorry bout earlier

hoyafan516

Posted by: hoyafan516 | January 28, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Good night hoya,

If you really are interested in the weather (and not just because of the school possibilities), then listen and observe the conversation before commenting so much.

Have fun at school tomorrow =P

Posted by: wecndo | January 28, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

A clipper is a small, fast moving system that comes from the north (usually Alberta in Canada). They can carry some moisture and give people a couple inches of snow, but it's usually not much. We don't get much from clippers because the mountains wring out the moisture before it gets to us.


Oh...and the refreezing issue. It's 37 here and everything is a sheet of ice. I just did a "test walk" up to my bus stop and it took me 15 minutes (if I walked any faster than a slow cautious footstep at a time, gravity got the best of me). Even the side roads are icy, and they've been treated. Hopefully whoever tends to the side roads and the sidewalks will get them treated again tomorrow morning.

Add PG County, Maryland to the growing list of 2 hour delays.

Posted by: weatherdudeVA | January 28, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

@Hoya

I gotta say-- we're glad you like the site and comment, and we hope you'll continue to. But the number of comments tonight was over the top. By my count, you commented 35 times -- and mostly on the same topic. It's not the best etiquette. Try to make your point succinctly, maybe followup once or twice and then move on -- so you're not dominating the conversation and other topics and voices can be heard. Thanks.

Posted by: Jason-CapitalWeatherGang | January 28, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

@hoyafan516

A quick geography and Virginia government lesson, since nobody responded to your question on where Falls Church is and why it's a separate "county" ...

Falls Church is about seven miles to the west of DC (in fact, a straight line 7.22 miles from the Jefferson Memorial would run you into the middle of Falls Church -- thanks Google Earth). It sits right on the edge of Arlington County and is otherwise surrounded by Fairfax County.

Virginia government has a quirk in its post-Civil War constitution that recognizes areas incorporated as cities as "independent cities" that are separate from a county that they may be part of. These cities may be partially combined with their surrounding county (for example, the City of Fairfax is part of the Fairfax County Public Schools), but some decide to maintain their own separate governance (like Falls Church with their own school system). The reason you hear things like "Falls Church City County" is that the U.S. Census Bureau considers independent cities as if they are counties, like Fairfax or Montgomery.

If you want all the gory details, do a Wikipedia search on "independent city" for more info. :)

Posted by: joshnva | January 28, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

My first post. Heard about you from some colleagues.
Just want to say thanks to CWG. Those of us who are fascinated by weather form a surprisingly large contingent out here; what a great asset your site is! Your team has a growing following, and your site was the talk of the office today. Glad I found you. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: mwelsh | January 28, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

@mwelsh

Welcome and thanks for the really nice comment. Glad you're finding our blog useful.

Posted by: Jason-CapitalWeatherGang | January 28, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

FOLKS!!! OUR STORM FOR TUESDAY MADE A NICE SHIFT ON THE 00Z GFS. NOT PERFACT, AND ITS ONLY ONE RUN BUT ITS A START IMO. IT WILL BE FUN TO FOLLOW THIS ONE IN THE COMING DAYS!

Posted by: clintonportis17 | January 28, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Hoyafan = the new vapor trail guy from years past?

I'm not sure Hoyafan is old enough to remember this but let me share a little piece of history. Back in the old days, circa nineteen hundred and ninety-six, the school system in MoCo was much more bullish then today. It used to be that the officials would arrive to their cozy offices in Rockville, look out the window and make the executive decision to close schools. Now, seeing as there can be upwards of a 10 degree difference from SE MoCo and NW MoCo, this posed quite a problem for those of us who went to school in say Poolesville or Damascus. Whereas, Rockville was getting a slight dusting or rain, we were getting 6+ inches of snow and still wouldn't have any sort of delay. Now, try driving to school in an 83 Cutless Supreme, with no anti-lock brakes in 6 inches of snow along country, windy roads. Today's system of "oh no we MIGHT get an angry yuppie parent on the news" system is laughable. You should be so lucky Hoyafan, I wouldn't bother posting about "if" MoCo will delay, it's pretty much a lock if somebody spits out their window. The running joke at work is, if PG jumps first, MoCo will follow. Libs typically are lemmings, so why not follow ea. other.

Posted by: TheMot | January 29, 2009 2:00 AM | Report abuse

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