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Posted at 11:00 AM ET, 02/10/2010

Blizzard continues: Snow piles up, winds rage

By Jason Samenow

Snow decreasing southwest of Fairfax County

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We are living through some of the most extreme winter weather we'll ever experience in the metro region this morning. Heavy snow, winds exceeding 40 mph, and true whiteout conditions have paralyzed the entire region and steady snow will continue for a couple more hours or so (longer north and east of the District). Blizzard warnings span northern Virginia, the District and the entire state of Maryland. With the falling snow and wind, temperatures have plummeted into the low 20s with wind chills in the single digits.

Steady, wind-driven snow continues through much of the area though the snow is decreasing in coverage and intensity south of Fairfax County and Loudoun County. As the powerful storm off the Delmarva peninsula lifts northward, the snow will slowly diminish from southwest to northeast this afternoon. But even as the snow tapers off, blowing and drifting snow is possible through the day.

Snowfall totals so far for the storm have generally been from 7-9 inches in the immediate metro area, with some higher amounts to the north and northeast. Though we don't have an official total for DCA, the snow from this storm is surely bringing its seasonal total close to that of 1898-1899 (54.4"), the snowiest winter on record.

As the National Weather Service advised earlier, please stay off the roads in these dangerous conditions.

By Jason Samenow  | February 10, 2010; 11:00 AM ET
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Still heavy snow with near white out conditions in Fairfax City.

Posted by: JW211 | February 10, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

This is actually scary. Whiteout conditions in Glover Park at 11am, and snow on objects now is continuously connected to snow on other objects. Looking at my roof, I'm beginning to understand how glaciers form.

Posted by: doubtingdavid | February 10, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Winds continue to pick up in McLean - can barely see out the windows. This is intense.

Posted by: HokieTerp | February 10, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Springfield: 8" of snow. Of course there's some drifting, and snow blowing off the roof onto the deck measurement area, so it's a best guess. Still coming down and occasional gusts.

Posted by: DrMeglet | February 10, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

"We are living through some of the most extreme winter weather we'll ever experience ..."

No, you are not. With global warming progressing, expect more extreme conditions than you have today.

And, thank your lucky stars it's only snow and not an ice storm. Yes, back to back heavy snows are hard, but one good ice storm will shut you down for two weeks.

Posted by: cpwash | February 10, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

we've got to be nearing the record....though I heard the snowfall totals at Dulles are the second highest as at any major city in the country so far this year.

Posted by: rocotten | February 10, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

That low isn't moving very fast. Sometimes they zoom up the coast, but this one is very slow. Here in Fairfax we have been close to the "back edge" for a few hours but it doesn't look like it is ready to stop just yet.

Posted by: barbnc | February 10, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Snowing, blowing in Potomac. But we had a river in front of our house this morning - snow plow hit a fire hydrant down the street, and there was yucky brown water pouring down Gainsborough Rd.

Posted by: AstrosFanInExile | February 10, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Hi guys--

Will the high winds continue after the snow has stopped? Just wondering for shoveling. I hate when you go to toss it and it blows back in your face. Thanks for your reports through all of this. Helps keep me sane.

Posted by: dstu | February 10, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

People in my office mentioned that much of this brutal winter weather is a result of global warming. The melting snow at the poles may disrupt ocean currents. This results in more extreme conditions and storms like blizzards and hurricanes. Is it true that the winter temps up at the Arctic Circle this year were above normal while temps were below normal here in the States, Europe and China?

Posted by: tsqnova | February 10, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

@dstu

Yes-- Gusty winds will continue after the snow cuts off...into tonight and tomorrow.

Posted by: Jason-CapitalWeatherGang | February 10, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

17 inches and counting here in Eldersburg; added to the 28+ inches we had on the ground already. This is getting ridiculous. Joe Bastardi emailed me and confirmed that Eldersburg is on the south end of the "blasting zone" and that he expected 1-2 feet or more would be possible. I hope this ends soon so that my Friday flight will actually happen!

Posted by: DLO1975 | February 10, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

@cpwash Okay, how about '... we have ever experienced...'? No one can predict the future, and we don't need to drag the possibilities of GW/CC into this *weather* discussion.

Posted by: leesweet | February 10, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

it's funny looking at the radar, the edge of snow now seems to be the potomac river (va/md border)! this is really is as about as bad i've ever seen it. not tremendous snowfall totals, but the wind that kicked up as the spinner from the west approached is impressive. maryland is the new vermont.

Posted by: swishjobs | February 10, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Whiteout conditions worsening again in Rosslyn. Given the unrelenting rate for the past 4 hours, there's no way DCA hasn't broken the record by now.

Posted by: annarky | February 10, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Reposted:

Meteorologically -- ow, my tongue! easy for you to say --

What was that line of heavy snow that moved from west to east, like a North Pole radar sweep, earlier this morning?

Also, what is an "upper level disturbance"? Is that what's moving southeast through Virginia right now? Does that mean the low in the ocean is a "lower level disturbance"?

Posted by: Groff | February 10, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

it's funny how the edge of the good snow bands are right along the va/md border (potomac river)! the winds really kicked as the spinner from the west approached. looks like northeast md will jackpot this event.

Posted by: swishjobs | February 10, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

cpwash: Your thoughts on ice storms will lead me to invest in a dedicated generator, when this is all over. That type of a storm is almost unthinkable.

Posted by: drc231 | February 10, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Family in central Frederick County are reporting the snow is intensifying again after a bit of a falloff an hour ago, and the winds are "howling". There were 9" on the ground *before* the heavy bands of snow went through, so they expect that at least a foot has fallen so far.

Posted by: the2belo | February 10, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

fyi...sorry didn't mean to post twice the same thing...didn't think my earlier post "posted"!

Posted by: swishjobs | February 10, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

This is truly awesome

Posted by: 300_sq_ft | February 10, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Channel 11 is broadcasting out of Eldersburg; I missed how much they were reporting. Anyone catch it?

Posted by: DLO1975 | February 10, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

ummm... so wait, where are all the people who were saying "BUST" less than 24 hours ago?? I thought it was supposed to be sunny skies and 50 degrees right now!! Can one of you please share more of your great insights with us?

Posted by: skaterman2297 | February 10, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Still some blizzard-like snow but I wouldn't call it whiteout here in New Baltimore. Gusts were higher earlier. Think we've gotten 5-6 inches but who can tell with all the drifting. Radar looks like the snow could taper off pretty soon out here but there's still the wind to contend with ...

Posted by: weathergrrl | February 10, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

@ CWG: Think there is "bay effect snow" going on in places like Annapolis or Baltimore?

Also, here's a link to a great 24-hour radar I posted on a previous entry: http://www.eldoradocountyweather.com/current/usradar.html

Posted by: Sterlingva | February 10, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

So I placed a yard stick in my yard back on Friday. Its next to a bush for visual purposes but otherwise is in the open so drifting wont be such a problem. We started this most recent storm off with just under 18" (though my photo was taken at 1 pm still 3 hours before the snow began), last night at 11 we had 23 1/5" and this morning at 11 we had 28"... so in Del Ray, Alexandria, we are looking at an accumulation of just over 10".

Posted by: dcgypsy | February 10, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

wind howling here in crofton area. also seeing the power outage numbers creep up. one of the big problems with power is that it is very hard (if not impossible) for the crews to work on the lines in these conditions, so if your power goes out, you probably shouldn't expect them to even start working on it until after the winds die down.

Posted by: natsfan76 | February 10, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

"We are living through some of the most extreme winter weather we'll ever experience in the metro region this morning. "

Extreme weather is the definition of global climate change. I suspect this is the just the first of many many winters like this.

Posted by: robinshuster | February 10, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

@CWG -

Any thoughts up upping the accumulation predictions based on the lower than expected temperatures?

Also, it looks like the last few radar frames show the entire shield lifting to the NE. Do you expect backfill?

Thanks

Posted by: 300_sq_ft | February 10, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Snowplowing Operations Temporarily Suspended

February 10, 2010

Due to blizzard conditions and near-zero visibility on the roadways, to protect the safety of City employees and residents, all snowplowing operations have been temporarily suspended until weather conditions improve.

Visit the City of Alexandria Web site for the latest updates on current weather conditions, closings and cancellations, and answers to frequently asked questions.

Posted by: CliftonJohn | February 10, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Glover Parkers and others in NW D.C.: I just tried reaching Rocklands, which has never, ever closed because of the weather. No answer. If Rocklands doesn't open we've truly attained snownova.

@DLO1975, what is Elderburg's elevation? Couldn't find on the internet.

Temp in Glover Park: 20.3. I don't want to think about the wind chill.

Posted by: JerryFloyd1 | February 10, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

6 inches here in Southern Loudoun - or maybe 4 feet...wait thats a drift from a spot that I actually shoveled to the cement YESTERDAY. Any guesses on OPM tomorrow?

Posted by: DullesARC | February 10, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

@DullesARC -- re: OPM, with so much blowing and drifting snow, looks like above-ground Metro rail stations as well as buses will not be operating, at least on a regular schedule. I would think another Fed snow day.

Posted by: krosseel | February 10, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

ANDREW-I don't know how you can say that "the snow has lessened a bit in DC"-in fact IT IS MUCH WORSE HERE IN NW DC THAN EVEN AN HOUR AGO-TOTAL WHITEOUT CONDITIONS, AND THE SNOW IS COMING DOWN HARDER-BUT TOTALLY SIDEWAYS.

Posted by: arrabbiato | February 10, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

New snow and blowing snow continue unabated in Adams Morgan. Definitely new snow is part of the equation, but the sun does seem to be peeking through.

Posted by: krosseel | February 10, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

This is seriously incredible. I shudder to think what the weekend's storm would have been like with today's winds.

Posted by: Juan-John | February 10, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Winds remain strong here in Bethesda, but the gusts have become more intense.

The tips of tree branches that are long enough to reach my window--but never have in 15 years including summer storms--are bending in these gusts and are tapping the windowpanes.

The news that Pepco has suspended repair operations is understandable, but it doesn't bode well for anyone who loses power. Good luck to you if you do.

Posted by: Cat11endofdays | February 10, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Anybody hear anything on whether OPM's going to shut down again tomorrow, or is it too early to say?

Posted by: DrewinAlexandria | February 10, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

@JerryFloyd1

According to google Eldersburg's elevation is 643 feet. Snow is finally letting up a bit here. Hope it ends soon so that we can clear out and make our Friday flight!

Posted by: DLO1975 | February 10, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

@DrewinAlex -- nothing from OPM yet, though I would be shocked if Mr Berry called tomorrow off this early.

Posted by: krosseel | February 10, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

smoke111 said February 9, 2010 1:57 PM:

2 p.m. and I can see the threatening sun here in Adams Morgan.

This storm prediction is a bust, a dusting to a few inches.

That happens.

That's ok.

No complaints.


Posted by: gjjg4dgd | February 10, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

IvantheTerrible said February 9, 2010 1:49 PM "

For the record, I did not call Snowmagedon a bust. However, I'm of the opinion that this even will be a bust. When I write bust, I mean a maximum of 3 inches or less.

Posted by: gjjg4dgd | February 10, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

People - you can bet on OPM being closed tomorrow and likely on Friday as well. Downtown DC is a disaster and I'm sure the burbs aren't much better.

Seriously. The streets weren't even plowed from the last blizzard. Snow ended from the last storm on Saturday and OPM was still closed on Tuesday. Snow will end today, metro will be below tomorrow and limited above Friday. USG closed all week is my bet.

Posted by: 300_sq_ft | February 10, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

seems like the storm wants to deliver a good strong knockout punch before departing

Posted by: novajeffc | February 10, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Looking at http://www.wunderground.com/radar/radblast.asp?num=6&delay=15&scale=1.00&noclutter=0&ID=LWX&type=N0R&lat=0&lon=0&label=you&showstorms=0&showlabels=1&rainsnow=0
looks like Dale City is filling in again - snow has picked up - any thoughts or is it pullling north too fast?

Posted by: hysteria_625 | February 10, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

i beg, BEG, people to stop attributing this single event to climate change, whether it be cooling or warming, whether it exists or not, and whether it is or is not related to human activity. over millions of years we've had cycles of cooling and heating, and lots of amazing weather events over that period. i'd bet that Indians along the Potomac experienced equally big or bigger snow storms at some point over the last 1000 years. that being said, one AMAZING winter! squalls of snow and wind still rolling through NW DC.

Posted by: aveimperator | February 10, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

notdlo1975 said February 9, 2010 3:37 PM:

This "storm" should be called the Snyder - alot of hype, then big disappointment and anger from the (snow) fans.

Posted by: gjjg4dgd | February 10, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Accuweather.com Past Month records for DCA has listed its total at 9 inches. It looks like DCA will do it and maybe even reach a foot for a third time this season.

Posted by: ajmupitt | February 10, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Why do I feel like an idiot for having shoveled last night and at 9 this morning?

Posted by: SpiralStairs | February 10, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

"With global warming progressing, expect more extreme conditions than you have today."

-Sure. Remember all those hurricanes that were supposed to be impacting the US over and over with global warming? Its been mighty quiet out there the past few seasons.

This is call regression to the mean. The last few winters have been next to nil. (We blamed that on "global warming." Now we blame this on global warming!)

If only we could find some university to hide some data and pull some other tricks to back up the global warming blizzard theory.

Posted by: AndrewRockville | February 10, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Since Town of Vienna did such a bad job plowing the streets (packed snow - go to city limits and the roads are plowed to the pavement), the wind is throwing a good amount of snow around. Watching a good three to four foot drift piling up on the corner.

Posted by: notdlo1975 | February 10, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I keep thinking it is going to stop snowing here in Fairfax but the back edge does not seem to be moving.

Posted by: barbnc | February 10, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

@SpiralStairs

I would say that was the smart thing to do.

Posted by: RedDevil1 | February 10, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

@gjjg4dgd

I stand corrected. :)

Posted by: notdlo1975 | February 10, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

@spiralstairs - hey, you'll have less to shovel later!

alexandria in fairfax county, right outside the beltway, i believe we are around 10.5 to 11" now.

Posted by: mmonty1205 | February 10, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

7-9 inches here in Alexandria, Fairfax Co. (22310). I'm not sure which end of that small scale is more accurate as my measurements were all over the place, likely because of the blowing snow. The sky is definitely lighter than an hour ago, but it's still hard to tell how much of the snow blowing around is "new."

Also, off-topic, but for the benefit of arrabbiato, re: doula -- "The word "doula" comes from the ancient Greek meaning "a woman who serves" and is now used to refer to a trained and experienced professional who provides continuous physical, emotional and informational support to the mother before, during and just after birth; or who provides emotional and practical support during the postpartum period.

Studies have shown that when doulas attend birth, labors are shorter with fewer complications, babies are healthier and they breastfeed more easily." See http://www.dona.org/mothers/index.php. We used one for our birth (at a hospital) of our first daughter, which was a challenging labor, and I thought she was a tremendous help to my wife and gave me a lot more confidence when dealing with an aggressive doctor and a particularly less-than-empathetic nurse.

Posted by: mrva1 | February 10, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Greenbelt, MD: At least six inches when I went out about 10 am to refill the bird feeders (which are now mostly empty again, thank you, grackles). Really coming down at the moment, had a huge wind gust a little while ago that whited out everything.

Going to leave off shoveling until well into tomorrow morning, when one hopes the winds will have subsided a bit.

Posted by: kevinwparker | February 10, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Sorry if this has been answered in another post already, but how are the official snowfall measurements conducted in conditions like this where wind is moving the snow around, causing it to pile up in some places more than in others?

Posted by: mirrorball | February 10, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

For anyone interested in how climate change is connected to bigger snows, here is a link (I posted on the last thread but looks like there is still interest from comments posted here:

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1962294,00.html?xid=rss-topstories

Posted by: squirrelgirl1 | February 10, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Old Town Alexandria update:

I've posted a few more photos to the slideshow. We have very strong winds here in Alexandria at the moment. I would say that we've picked up 2 ro 3 more inches this morning which adds to our 2" we had last night before the sleet/freezing rain kicked in. The new photos can be found in the slideshow here (the daylight ones).


This is a repost from the previous thread as I had posted this just before a new thread was recreated. I'm about to head downstairs to snap some more pics from ground level as well as a panoramic shot from my iPhone using Pano.

Posted by: joelhousman | February 10, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

hysteria_625 - I would agree based on radar and movement of precip north to south at this point. Snow is Lake Ridge has continued and continues to be steady.

Posted by: ZmanVA | February 10, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Craig19 is a "doula."

Posted by: gjjg4dgd | February 10, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

CWG - how long does this edge continue to slam Fairfax County?

Posted by: parksndc | February 10, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

it looks like the pivot is almost right on dc/baltimore.

Posted by: gsb11 | February 10, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

As far as I know, OPM/Berry always has the conference call at 6 PM and then announces around 6:45 or so. So, Feds will have to wait... :)

With the $100M at stake, they don't want to make the call too early, no matter how obvious. (Yes, I know, it could be *really* obvious.)

Posted by: leesweet | February 10, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

tsqnova-- You obviously don't follow the climate change science closely enough. The reputable experts take pains to make clear that individual weather events (i.e., this winter in DC) are just that-- individual events that you cannot and should not attempt to ascribe to/or deny the existence of climate change as a result thereof. The environmental groups that are busy now trying to "explain" why colder than normal winters and large snow storms "prove" climate change are undermining their own case. The whole point of the climate change issue is that you can't be so myopically focused to recognize the global trend. What really needs to be understood is whether those trends require action or adaptation.

Posted by: jnel | February 10, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

wow, Fairfax and the inner suburbs are taking the cake on this one for the Virginia suburbs. Still coming down strong here in Vienna. Went skiing in Colorado earlier this year and they could only pray for snow like this. Seems that it just won't leave Fairfax County.

Posted by: rocotten | February 10, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

@spiralstairs -

Since the point is to have an excuse to go outside, you've fully succeeded.

Posted by: Groff | February 10, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Squall hit around 9am in Beltsville as I was out shoveling the wet stuff before it had a chance to freeze. Got darker, got windy, white out, but no thunder. Quarter inch ice overnight, 3" snow on top of that, 5.8" overall at 9:30. 30 degrees 8:30am, down to 25 by 9:30. Occasional white out.

Posted by: rootboy | February 10, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Blizzard warning living up to predictions in Kensington, MD. Currently a complete whiteout with howling winds--can't even see the houses 100 yards behind me.

Posted by: h0db | February 10, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

@gjjg4dgd
What are you, about 8years old. People are dealing with serious weather concerns and conditions, and you are name-calling and repeatedly pointing out peoples statements from yesterday, that they have already retracted, and acknowledged were off.

Otherwise, your comments are amazingly insightful, please continue to share.

Posted by: craig19 | February 10, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

@notdlo1975

How much do you have? Maybe another band or two of heavy snow for you as this pulls away. Snowing moderately here now; I think we'll probably get another 2-3 inches over the next few hours as this pulls away. We'll most likely break 20 inches here in Eldersburg...again! What a winter! We need to hit the slopes!

Posted by: DLO1975 | February 10, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

tsqnova: yes, you are correct that *parts* of the Arctic had above normal temps this winter. For more on that, see www.nsidc.org.

My comment on the snow lessening in some areas was based on radar trends. The snow has decreased in areal coverage, especially from DC and points East and South. The snow bands seem more stubborn in eastern Fairfax, southern MoCo, and NW DC right now. But in general, conditions everywhere are TERRIBLE, even if it is only snowing lightly where you are, given the strong winds, extensive snow cover, and cold temps.

Posted by: Andrew-CapitalWeatherGang | February 10, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

CWG and/other experts:
so, how do they take snow measurements in windy conditions like this?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | February 10, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

It's amazing that the heaviest band is about to smack Connecticut while we're still being pounded in the DC area.

The 8-16" estimate seems about right for my area. Thanks CWG for even-keeled and reliable coverage this winter.

Posted by: Cat11endofdays | February 10, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

With so much of the snow now being wind swept, how does one accurately measure snowfall amounts?

Posted by: bodyiq | February 10, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Snowfall looks likes it tapering off in West End of Alexandria and sky is getting a bit lighter. I even saw a plow (contracted, not a city truck) make a few passes in our neighborhood. Believe it or not I see some pavement in front of our house! Really hoping to get out and take some pics -- it's gorgeous out there (when the wind isn't raging)

Posted by: db_in_va | February 10, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Also, my comments based on radar trends are from the NWS radar display on their homepage, since I prefer it over what we have in our posts. Ssshhh, don't tell my CWG colleagues...

Posted by: Andrew-CapitalWeatherGang | February 10, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Things are really ugly in Silver Spring. I am just shocked at the severity of the winds.

I cannot see how they open the gov't tomorrow.

How? It is too dangerous to plow...

Posted by: keithrjackson | February 10, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Much of the country (and some of the metro area) makes fun of the feds when the government shuts down. So even if John Berry knows to a certainty that he'll shut it down tomorrow, he won't want to be perceived as jumping the gun, thereby inviting ridicule.

Posted by: SpiralStairs | February 10, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

i just saw a military humvee escorting the emergency vehicle down my street...this feels like a war zone..

Posted by: fa836659 | February 10, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Alexandria section of Fairfax County (22310): wind has died down, but snowfall has not. Falling at a rate of maybe 2" an hour right now.

Posted by: InVA1 | February 10, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

@DLO1975

Cleared off my grill yesterday before the snow. Measure 7 inches just now. Winds haven't been too bad yet.

Ask Bastardi if you can be the crazy guy the sits behind him during his next update.

Posted by: notdlo1975 | February 10, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Have 9-10" here in Woodbridge (22191) and it is still coming down hard. NWS radar looks like it's spinning right overhead, we are on the edge but the green areas keep tracking trough from the NE.

Posted by: drmammal | February 10, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

@ walter-in-fallschurch

You beat me to the same question!

Posted by: bodyiq | February 10, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Slightly revising my last comment in the previous thread: Visibility is still quite low in Manassas. I live in a condo complex off Liberia Avenue which fronts on the railroad tracks, and right now I can hardly see the auto-workshop/light industrial buildings across the tracks. Snow is continuing to come down at a good clip, though not as hard as earlier, and the wind is blowing _very_ briskly. I wonder if I'll even be able to clear off my car this afternoon, let alone attempt to get to work tomorrow.

Posted by: jadmirel | February 10, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

re: OPM - i'd bet closed tomorrow, liberal leave on friday.

though there was an article yesterday on the post website where the wording suggested that the fed considered closing for the rest of the week....i think that was just poor wording / lack of editing, not something they actually considered.

Posted by: natsfan76 | February 10, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Gang - will this be the first "Triple Double" in DC if DCA gets to ten inches? We'll be in Hakeem Olajuwan and Alvin Robertson territory some time in the next four weeks if we get yet another. The Quadruple Double would be kewl....

Posted by: DullesARC | February 10, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Still whiteout conditions in Thomas Circle.

Posted by: 300_sq_ft | February 10, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Update on Smithsonian storage facility's roof collapse at

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bal-smithsonian-collapse0210,0,3070209.story

Posted by: JerryFloyd1 | February 10, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Should we send a Humvee to pick up Liz and Jen, or can they do their Lost update from home?

Posted by: notdlo1975 | February 10, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Not blowing too much here in Hagerstown after a period around 9 that it was really going, but snow is coming down at a good clip. It certainly looks to be pinwheeling through from the NE and by my reckoning probably still a good bit to go. My best guess is 13 inches right now.

Posted by: bendersx6 | February 10, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

@notDLO1975

I think that seat is reserved. Allentown is getting pummelled by the way! Snowing heavily here again. Getting ready to go back out and fire up the snow blower. Hard to measure for sure; taking an average from a few spots is probably the best way. No wind there? Wow. Like s snowicane here!

Posted by: DLO1975 | February 10, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

After reading messages from everyone here, we must have gotten really lucky. In Manassas, I don't think this storm has dropped more than 3 or 4 inches of snow tops. There have been no white out conditions and the wind really hasn't been that bad - although there have been some strong gusts.

Posted by: typical_guy | February 10, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Total white out conditions here in Silver Spring, can't even see 495 a block a way from my house!

Posted by: gjjg4dgd | February 10, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Woohooo! Just had my first hot shower in a week. If only I had figured out that the breaker had tripped last Friday....... grrrr.

Posted by: FusilliJerry1 | February 10, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Definitely not slowing down in central DC (Logan Circle) at all. Snow is coming down fast and furious, and the winds are unbelievable. I can hardly make out the houses across the street from me, and I do not live on a wide street. Traffic lights at either end of the street are completely obscured.

So, yeah, about that 'bust'...

Posted by: ultrapop101 | February 10, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Attention - from the NWS:
"PEOPLE ARE ENCOURAGED NOT TO PANIC...BUT TO SIMPLY STAY INSIDE...ENJOY YOUR FAVORITE INDOOR ACTIVITIES...AND RIDE THIS STORM OUT...THE HAZARDOUS CONDITIONS WILL BE IMPROVING LATER THIS EVENING."

..phew..

last hour Charlottesville reported "mostly sunny skies"

Baltimore has declared a Snow Emergency Level III - no traffic except emergency vehicles

NWDC / Georgetown still getting pummeled with crazy wind and snow.

Posted by: manatt | February 10, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Do the people who think one weather event disproves the existence of a global trend come back during heatwaves and say they must have been wrong?

Posted by: snowvert | February 10, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Obviously the increasing snow totals combined with the winds will make the digging out process a big challenge for this storm. The road crews usually do a great job, even after December's storm the roads were pretty clear. After driving around Montgomery and Howard counties on Tuesday, it was evident that the plowing was not complete from the last storm which will have an effect on this storm's clean-up. Was it due to budget issues, equipment breakage or ???? I would be interested in hearing comments about this.

Posted by: wxlover | February 10, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

CWG -
When will snow end in Upper Mo Co?
When will winds die down?
Is this storm travelling W-E? N-S?
And what is this about something else brewing for Sunday???

Posted by: Post43 | February 10, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

@DLO1975

"fire up the snow blower"

My shovel and I officially hate you

Posted by: notdlo1975 | February 10, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

NWS is advising residents to "stay indoors and enjoy your favourite indoor activities". Now we'll know who to blame for that birth rate spike in November.. ;)

Posted by: snowbiz | February 10, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Centreville VA Moderate snow, gusty winds 23 degrees. Measured 5 inches on the parts of road that were completely cleaned before snoverkill.
Thanks CWG for another great forecast.
Go DCA!!!! We want the title.

Posted by: FIREDRAGON47 | February 10, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

News line I'm tired of:

"There are even people out here walking!"

First, much better walking than driving.

Second, you'd think nothing of it in, say, a ski resort.

Third, why WOULDN'T you want to go out for a (cautious) stroll in a once/twice-in-a-lifetime event?

Posted by: Groff | February 10, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

@DLO1975, thanks for info re: Eldersburg's altitude. Sounds like you're closing in on 50" from the last two storms there.

Snowfall rate has diminished somewhat but with temps falling below 20 degrees and very windy conditions, still very bad. Serious drifting; some cars now invisible.

Posted by: JerryFloyd1 | February 10, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

@snowvert, will people panicking about global warming stop trying to make silly claims about 20 degrees and snow being the result of global warming?

what about the global cooling scare of the 70s? were they right? which is it?

Posted by: tgt111 | February 10, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

@notdlo1975-
the lost chat appears to be on!

check www.washingtonpost.com/lost

Posted by: dotjeffdot | February 10, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

@JerryFloyd1

Just about there...need about 4 more inches; we've got just about 18 inches since 5PM last night.

Posted by: DLO1975 | February 10, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Is there any reason Fairfax hasn't already cancelled school for the rest of the week, or at least tomorrow?

Posted by: CliftonJohn | February 10, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Those asking about Sun/Mon storm, it's my understanding that this is nothing more than a clipper as it won't have access to Gulf moisture. Jetstream is shifting where it comes in from the west, so a pattern change of some sorts is coming.

Posted by: ThinkSpring | February 10, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

So when it's warm out, that's due to global warming. And when it's cold and snowing, that's also due to global warming. Is global warming falsifiable in any way? Sounds more like a religion than science.

Posted by: smc91 | February 10, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Out here in Centreville the sky has lightened up considerably since 7:30 this morning. I haven't heard the howling winds that I did earlier also, just light winds with the periodic gust. But the snow does seem a little stubborn - the drifting appears to be worse on the southern side of my townhouse than the front facing north side.

Also, the crashing of the temp is something else too. It's now 18 or so - that is going to make it even tougher to want to go out and shovel later. Brrrrr....

Some unbelievable scenes reported on TWC. And there was a hilarious article in today's online Post about the "snow boobs" who defy all common sense.

Posted by: bobosnow | February 10, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

regarding snow shoveling one can honestly say...that which does not literally kill you will make you stronger.

(fueling snow blower)...

Posted by: AndrewRockville | February 10, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Federal Government = Metro.

Not likely with the wind and drifting.

Posted by: SwellLevel5 | February 10, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Radar indicates snow pulling away from Warren County. I measured 5.25".

My method is to take many measurements in different locations (avoiding drifts). I use the mode (most frequent observation) for my records. I've seen other people recommend using the mean, but my method doesn't require a calculator.

Posted by: spgass1 | February 10, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Still snowing here in Crystal City, albeit not quite as heavily. Winds are still blowing fiercely, and visibility is bad--I can barely see across the street in my neighborhood.

Even after the snowfall ends, blowing snow is going to be a problem all day. Please don't drive if you don't have to. I'm a lucky guy who walks to work every day, and even I decided to stay home after getting hit with a blast of snow and wind while walking the dog. It's ugly out there, regardless of how much snow we end up getting out of this.

Posted by: acoberst1 | February 10, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I wonder what data is needed to disprove global warming. jw.

Posted by: voltron88x | February 10, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Justin Berk has Paul Kocin on the air. What a storm!

Posted by: DLO1975 | February 10, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Can we start predicting what will happen with Monday's storm now? LOL.....

Posted by: cooldavej | February 10, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

NBC4 Mets just mentioned the flow is beginning to come off the Atlantic as the low deepens. I'm pretty sure this means the precip shield will stay put for a bit longer, maybe even expand to the West as the flow comes off the Ocean.

Posted by: 300_sq_ft | February 10, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Global warming, or more accurately, climate change merely suggests a future with more extreme and volatile weather than normal. One storm doesn't prove it, one winter doesn't prove it, but trends over several years will give you a better idea whether our climate is indeed becoming more extreme or not.

Posted by: snowbiz | February 10, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

@smc91, I'm pretty sure no one ever said that. If you would actually try to educate yourself on the matter you might not be so confused. Global warming is completely falsifiable and 100% based on science. It is based on GLOBAL trends over decades, not what it happens to be be doing in DC on a particular day

Posted by: mrevell83 | February 10, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

bobosnow, can you link to that "snow boob" article?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | February 10, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

smc91

I think that is why they now call it "Climate change"
as the term "Global Warming" is misleading when it is considered locally.

But, I understand from reading this board that there were also huge blizzards here in 1898 and that this blizzard has more to do with the "El nino" .

Posted by: celestun100 | February 10, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

@typical_guy: "Lucky" is subjective to some extent. I also live in Manassas, and from my own vantage point, conditions have been pretty bad all morning. You might have missed the bit that was posted earlier about where the NWS measured a 60-mph gust of wind at Manassas, that was the fastest in the metro area. On the other hand, the snow finally _does_ seem to be tapering off; the sky is starting to brighten @ approximately 1215.

Posted by: jadmirel | February 10, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Can someone comment on how much backfill or wrap around snow we expect to see? Are the areas currently getting snow going to continue to get snow, and are areas to the south and west going to get any additional snow?

Posted by: snowlover | February 10, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

But we've known about global weather trends for milennia. It got really hot, it got really cold, it get's really hot, it get's really cold, etc. The question is how much man is responsible this time around no?

Posted by: voltron88x | February 10, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Blizzarding like a mammajamma in Vienna. After a short lull, the snow is falling and the winds have really picked up. No idea how much snow has actually fallen on my deck, because the wind has pushed it around so much in the last half hour. Very low visibility--maybe 500 feet.

Posted by: shepdave2003 | February 10, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually worried about the flurries predicted on Monday....next it will be an inch or two and the next thing you know they will be talking 3'!! All these events started with small accumulations predicted that just went up and up!

Posted by: artteach | February 10, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Here we go:

11:33 a.m. Snomore please
Meteorologists with Accuweather.com are monitoring a weather system "with the potential for a new round of heavy snow" on Monday, according to a statement from the service.

Posted by: tbf1 | February 10, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

still whiteout conditions here in crystal city.

Posted by: pzkpfw | February 10, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

bobosnow,
i think i found it:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/09/AR2010020903522.html

the "boobs" are the idiots who don't know how to, but insist upon, driving in this stuff.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | February 10, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

@Think Spring...Don't count those chickens just yet. GFS has been trending that system to dive farther south than this one, with decent overrunning ahead of it into even colder air (atmospherically) than you had Tues evening. Initial dry slot does reach the metro area, but 6 hours of wraparound follows. Way too soon to speculate, but something to watch very closely.

Watching yet another band intensifying ("squeezing") along the Potomac from Cabin John to Leesburg. Wow.

Posted by: wxdancer | February 10, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

TWC just said 23" at Dulles, can anyone verify? Unbelievable storm, with the cold air funneling in will squeeze out a little extra snow?

Posted by: dvorak9 | February 10, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I am starting to worry about this weekend. I absolutely love snow but I need a break. It doesn't help that I'm supposed to fly out Friday night and return Monday night to visit family. I'd also like to be able to go the gym at some point! =P

Further, my friends who hate snow are basically at their wits end.

This winter has a feeling of inevitability to it though. Most years, even when everything looks right, something goes wrong. This year, when everything looks wrong, it somehow goes right.

This snow lover is hoping the Presidents' Day storm STAYS south. Let ATL and CLT have some love. Give me two weeks off and I'll be ready for more snow. As it is, I am growing weary!

And before you say I'm not a real snow lover.... realize that in the LESS THAN TWO WEEKS since January 29, we have seen almost as much snow as BOSTON normally sees in an ENTIRE WINTER. That's just insane!

Posted by: jahutch | February 10, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

How realistic is it that I would be able to get my train out of here to NYC on Friday morning around 6:30? Crazy? I seriously cannot go another weekend being stuck here.

Posted by: JenP2001 | February 10, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

In Vienna: Just took the dog for a walk. Wind really picking up. Felt like I was walking in pea-soup fog (think Scooby Doo fog)

Posted by: notdlo1975 | February 10, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

@Typical_Guy,

I've seen winds howling like crazy on and off in my neck of Manassas. They have calmed down in the last 30-45 minutes, but there were several points earlier where I couldn't see the school across the street.

I went out after the winds calmed and did a quick shovel of my steps and sidewalk. I am hoping the wrap around doesn't bring too much more snow with it. I am pretty much done with the whole shovel thing. :-)


Kim in Manassas

Posted by: ksrgatorfn1 | February 10, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I've left my apartment twice since last Friday. This is getting ridiculous!!!!

And I'm supposed to go skiing in Denver next week (planned a while ago). I never thought it would be possible, but it's gonna look like nothing out there, compared to DC!

Posted by: SWester2010 | February 10, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

@post43

Should start tapering off in NW Montgomery between 2 and 4. Storm is moving up the coast -- just offshore -- currently offshore Jersey. Too early to say much about storm for next Sun/Mon...may be energetic, but not have a ton of moisture to work with.

Posted by: Jason-CapitalWeatherGang | February 10, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Went for a short walk around the block. I tried to measure, but no way could I get an accurate measurement. My best guess for Alexandria, Carlyle neighborhood is 7-8 inches.
It is gorgeous out there, though- and COLD. It is about 18 degrees out, and of course that's not accounting wind chill. My face hurts, my finger tips (was wearing fingerless gloves) are numb and I was not out long. The snow is complete powder, and was very easy to move through. The slightest gust kicked up clouds of swirling snow. I wanted to take pictures of that, but my simple point and shoot couldn't capture those moments.
I did take a few shots, but since they are so similar to the ones I took during the past two storms, I see no point in posting them here. Hopefully, I will one day again leave my neighborhood and be able to shoot new subject matter :)

Posted by: Snowlover2 | February 10, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

23" at Dulles today??? Absolutely, positively no way.

@wxdancer - That's just one model, and it still has a LONG way to go to be anything substantial. As I said, jetstream though active is shifting.

Posted by: ThinkSpring | February 10, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: snowbiz | February 10, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Holy crap. Snow showers on Monday? I'm supposed to be driving back to NoVA from NC.

I remember WAY back early last week when the prognosis for last Friday (first day of Snowmageddon) was for snow showers. Yikes!

Posted by: shepdave2003 | February 10, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

@dvorak9
Anyone claiming 23 inches at Dulles for this storm is delusional.

Posted by: FIREDRAGON47 | February 10, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, snowbiz. Ashburn at 7 inches is more representative of Dulles snowfall. Don't know what TWC is referring to with their 23" claims.

Posted by: ThinkSpring | February 10, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

still coming down like gangbusters here - with low visibility.

(btw...how DO gangbusters come down?)

soooo pretty....especially because we still have power.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | February 10, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Really wish the Global Warming people would post their alarmist stuff somewhere else. Most sites do their best to relegate the "warmists" to their own forums, but it seems these people are simply determined to come into every thread peddling their theories.

It just isn't worth arguing about that stuff here. Half the people think it's hyped up nonsense, and 3/4's aren't willing to go along with carbon taxes, reduced living standards, etc whether they believe it or not.

Besides, a bad snowstorm, a bad winter, a bad hurricane season, etc, do not prove or disprove AGW. You'd think the people that claim such things would have been suitably embarrassed with their predictions after claiming we'd see numerous Katrina like storms and yet no more materialized and we ended up having several quiet tropical seasons.

It really is probably best to debate AGW somewhere else and stop blaming every winter storm on humanity.

Posted by: bkkwarlock | February 10, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Oh good grief.

A few years ago it was study after study confirming that global warming will result in milder winters. Has that theory been abandoned now that you are buttocks deep in snow?

If you have a one foot long snotcicle hanging out of your nose while standing in waist deep snow, is that reaaaaalllllly caused by global warming?

Let me pose a very serious question - What weather will disprove global warming? Is there any? You seem to believe that all weather is a direct result of global warming.

Mr. Q.

Posted by: Mr_Q | February 10, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Walter is still wondering how to measure snowfall, yet convinced one weather event is evidence for or against Global Warming.

Meanwhile many of you are wondering if the Fed Gummit will open tomorrow. Of course it will be closed. Look at the traffic mess we have when the weather and roads are normal.

In the meantime, it is entertaining to see the minute-by-minute reports and the inherent precision.

Loved the comment about people walking outside - absolutely correct. At any winter resort would you question it? Having just returned from a ski trip in the Alps, this is nothing.

Enjoy the snow. If you get bored, walk to the local grocery store and watch the hysteria.

Posted by: HolyMoley | February 10, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Oh heavens, is it bad out there. Got in from shoveling, my right arm is killing me. Cleared out a fellow resident who needs to attempt to go to work in Springfield. Did the best I could.

Posted by: JefffromHuntington | February 10, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Back edge still not moving much. Went out to shovel again - have shoveled about 2 or 3 inches both times this morning and had about 3 inches last night so probably about 7-9 inches total - Fair Oaks.

Posted by: barbnc | February 10, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

WalterInFC, here it is (I hope):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/09/AR2010020903522.html


I've been reading the CC comments with interest. While shoveling the other day, a neighbor said, "I thought we had Global Warming!" I have decided that I just can't let ignorant comments like that go unaddressed, at the risk of being considered rude, and had to remind her and the other neighbor who chimed in, that "climate" is not "weather" - two entirely different things and a snowstorm in winter in DC, in the short-term, means nothing. It's the long-term view that is the concern, and whether our reliably fertile regions will continue to be able to grow food, sea-rise level, etc.

The earth and atmosphere can only handle so much pollution. And that's what we're really talking about. Filthy, dirty air that the atmosphere, the oceans, and the trees (and the destruction of the rain forest is another impact on CC) cannot keep up with in their natural "scrubbing" capacity.

Forget about these snowstorms - what's going on at the poles, particularly the Arctic, should make everyone pause in concern.

Posted by: bobosnow | February 10, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Skies getting brighter in Ashburn. Looking at radar loop, last frame finally showed a move NE.

Posted by: ThinkSpring | February 10, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

@walter-in-fallschurch, the snow boobs article is must reading. We've all seen the types of idiots described in the article; too bad The Post buried it on page C3. Should have been on the front page of the Style section.

The eastward flow of moisture could mean another few hours of snow here in D.C. We'll see...

Posted by: JerryFloyd1 | February 10, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Shepdave2003: Last weekend's storm was forecast out about 2 weeks in advance as a major storm on the models. The one on Monday is weak in comparison, and is closest to today's storm in development characteristics than last weekends, but working with less moisture and a more eastward trend, keeping us in a lesser portion of that system. Keep an eye though, since models have been known to change.

Looks like Saturday we might get a few snow showers out of the northernmost extend of the southern storm passing over Florida and Georgia, but the models keep anything major out of that way south of us.

Posted by: RandC | February 10, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

ThinkSpring: thanks, TWC said Dulles was reporting 23" this morning and it didn't sound right, just can't trust TWC anymore, used to be good years ago.

Posted by: dvorak9 | February 10, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps TWC was referring to a snowdepth of 23" at Dulles (i.e. total snow on the ground).. although latest obs from Dulles indicates a snowdepth of 19".

Posted by: snowbiz | February 10, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

@bkkwarlock

Agree 100%. Save the GW talk for Andrew's articles. At least there, one has a choice to read or not to read.

Posted by: ThinkSpring | February 10, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Still blowing with force here in downtown DC near Convention Center. Eesh! Coming down moderately from the sky (I think?) as well.

Posted by: Camden-CapitalWeatherGang | February 10, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

The 23" reference at IAD was apparently to the total on the ground from the last storm + this one (the SNINCR field in the METAR observations). They're now up to 26" on the ground as of noon EST.

Posted by: bhensonco | February 10, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

OBTW - for much of the planet Earth's existence it has been so hot it could not sustain life as we know it. So back to the Global Warming nuts, what is the ideal temperature for the Earth? Go ahead, play God. And, if it is really heating up due to mankind's gross negligence, are you willing to give up your precious cars, snowblowers, and way of life? Wouldn't we be better off applying resources against Malaria and HIV in the 3rd World than this carbon tax credit ponzi scheme? Meanwhile the Chinese are laughing at us hysterically, as we owe them our economic kiesters. We pay enough interset to the Chinese on our national debt (which they own) to finance their annual military expenditures 10 x over.

Posted by: HolyMoley | February 10, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Still coming down hard in South Adams Morgan.

Wow, still blowing hard and coming down in droves

Posted by: Bious | February 10, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

enough of this global warming conspiracy crap!

Posted by: pzkpfw | February 10, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

bobosnow wrote, "... what's going on at the poles, particularly the Arctic, should make everyone pause in concern.

The Arctic sea ice is actually recovering/growing. I suspect that is why most of the talking heads stopped talking about it.

--begin quote--
The Arctic ice minimum extent increased by about 25% between 2007 and 2009, and many indications (negative AO, light drift, high concentration) point to the idea that it will continue to increase in 2010.
--end quote--

source of the above quote (with graphics and references/sources)

Mr. Q.

Posted by: Mr_Q | February 10, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

measured about 10" in Central Arlington, returning to favorite indoor activities

Posted by: tleckey15 | February 10, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

This N/S band has Columbia back into Moderate snow.

Posted by: Brian-CapitalWeatherGang | February 10, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Cleaning up the atmosphere is a noble goal, with or without the Global Warming debate. Anyone seen the Chinese "Yellow Wind" that drifts over South Korea and Japan. Deforestation and unregulated factories are a big part of the atmospheric pollution. How do we resolve the problem? Lecture the Chinese, who we owe our children's future to?

Posted by: HolyMoley | February 10, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

DCA snowfall for the season check....How much more before we break the 1899 record?

Posted by: snowlover | February 10, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Boy, it's just not letting up, is it? Solid heavy snow since about 7:30am, when it changed back over from sleet. Wow, there goes another freight train slowly past..... I'm staying in while it's heavy like this, but I can't wait to get out and play tomorrow! Woohoo!

Posted by: ChickenLady | February 10, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

HolyMoley,
wtf is your problem? YOU are the one who intermitently interupt these threads with comments about how this recent local cold and snow undermines global warming theory.

the regular posters, understanably, don't want to discuss AGW here. if you want to continue this, go back to our other thread. the ball's in your court there.
*********************************

and i AM still wondering how they measure snow accumulations in conditions like this.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | February 10, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

bobosnow-and as for what is going on at the "poles" as you put it, it's certainly NOT, as Al Gore said at the climate change conference in NOPENHAGEN a few months ago that "the ice caps would be melted in 30 years"-he repeated something that was proven to be an outrageous fallacy, and was called on it, and was embarassed by it throughout the world-Gore's credibility has been SEVERELY damaged by relying on erroneous information and outright lies, which he hasn't bothered to check, and then repeats publicly stated as fact!

Of course, I noted that the Post did NOT run a front page story on this incredibly embarassing retraction that Gore was forced to make at the conference, now did you Post?

And as for the snow, and wind-it is blowing like an MF here in Glover Park-the snow, the wind has not let up ONE BIT SINCE 8AM THIS MORNING-THE WIND GUSTS ARE FAR WORSE-IT'S AWFUL.

Posted by: arrabbiato | February 10, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I stand corrected.. bhensonco is right, latest snowdpeth at Dulles is 26". The 19" is the current snowdepth at Reagan National.

Posted by: snowbiz | February 10, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

thanks guys....saw the driving boobs article. it's funny/sad stuff.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | February 10, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

DCA is reporting 19 inches of snow on the ground.

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/KDCA.html

Posted by: tbf1 | February 10, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Breaking news from CNN-

Dulles Airport near Washington, D.C., closed for 24 hours due to blizzard, FAA says.


That is all.


Kim in Manassas

Posted by: ksrgatorfn1 | February 10, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey ChickenLady, I am hearing reports on the Noon news that a few residential structures are reporting roof stress and potential roof collapse. Guess they are getting what they deserve for not taking good care of their property, huh?

Oh well, enjoy the snow. I bet they aren't!

Posted by: SouthsideFFX | February 10, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I am going to reread The Long Winter by Laura Ingalls Wilder. I notice one chapter called "Four Day Blizzard" .

I laughed at the snow idiots article, but can't help thinking that the author was a little condescending about the guy cleaning off his car with the dinghy oar. And trying to chop the ice with the claw-tool. I think the guy didn't have a shovel.

Also, it is easy to go on and on about how everyone up north handles the storms better, ( I am from up north), but really almost everyone up there has at least a roof over their cars. The whole thing about the snow on the roof of the car is at least an hour of cleaning and shoveling.

But it was enjoyable to read.

Posted by: celestun100 | February 10, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

dstu, global warming is supposed to bring more extreme weather, cold and hot, that's true, so it could be that but it could also be just a combination of El Nino with the normally cold temps mixing with the moisture and winds and have nothing to do with global warming. We are just about to beat a record snowfall from a time when global warming wasn't an issue (or at least that we knew about - man-made, fossil fuel caused). A scientist from USGS told me over 30 years ago that Virginia/Maryland were once a tropical climate and that's why we have so much mold under rocks which so many people have allergies to. You can find a lot of it under Point of Rocks, Maryland, he said. So, I guess we are going to have climate change either way, but to me the scary thing is strong sun rays which cause skin cancer, the unbearable heat which could occur, and that the cities are built right on the coastlines which could end up under water eventually. But that could happen either way.

Posted by: SusanMarie2 | February 10, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

It is just pouring snow in Clarendon. I can tell during the few seconds in between wind gusts.

Posted by: novajeffc | February 10, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Hundreds of birds, mostly robins, trying to get into the thick holly bush against our house. I put some sunflower seed out in the carport for them. I hope they can eat some.

Posted by: elizestrada | February 10, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Mr Q, and others-

Yes there IS "weather" that will disprove "global warming"/climate change: a GLOBAL decrease in temperature!

I realize its a bit much for you all to wrap your neanderthal minds around, that ocean temperatures 6,000 miles away can impact our weather here, but it can. Welcome to the 21st century. We're talking fractions of a degree, GLOBALLY. It is so incredibly nonsensical to look out YOUR window, at YOUR tiny square footage of this entire planet and say "Its snowing...global warming is obviously lies."

On a global scale, average temperatures have been increasing on this planet and they've been increasing more rapidly over the last 20 - 30 years, as mankind has further industrialized the planet. That has effects on ocean temperatuers, which affect weather thousands of miles away - in summer AND winter, believe it or not.

Open a book, read some academic articles, do some real research and turn off Fox News. Form your own opinons based on FACTs, not what the talking heads want to feed you.

Now can we please, for the love of God, go back to talking about our LOCAL weather and how cool all this snow is?!?

Posted by: DaveB2 | February 10, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

OMG - enough with the global warming, everyone!!

Posted by: kathyb39 | February 10, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

HolyMoley said "I just returned from a ski trip in the Alps, this is nothing." WTF? WHAT KIND OF A DUMB-A SS COMMENT IS THAT, HUH? LIKE YOUR COMMENT LAST NIGHT THAT THE DISTRICT WATER WAS PERFECTLY POTABLE? WELL IF THAT'S SO, WHY IS IT THAT THE DC HEALTH DEPT. DOES NOT RECOMMENDED DRINKING IT FOR IMMUNE COMPROMISED INDIVIDUALS AND BABIES, HUH?

YOU'VE GOT A REAL SUPERIORITY COMPLEX, DON'T YOU, HM? TRY GETTING STRAIGHT YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT, THOUGH, BEFORE GOING OFF ON A TANGENT, WILL YA? SHEESH!

Posted by: arrabbiato | February 10, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Well, the sky certainly seems to be getting a bit brighter here in Glover Park at 12.45 pm, but the snow is still coming down hard and it's still blowing hard. I haven't had the courage to go out there and try to measure, and I really don't know how much there, but it's been snowing moderately or heavily for the past 4.5 hours, so one would think there has to be at least 6-8 new since then, on top of about 3-3.5 last night, which makes 9-11.5 by my calculation. Not a measurement, just a thought.

Posted by: doubtingdavid | February 10, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I predict that schools will be closed all of next week, Feb. 15 - Feb. 19 The plows have been pulled off of the major highways because of the dangerous conditions. I can't even imagine when they will be able to plow the side streets to allow school buses to get to school.

Posted by: rginsburg | February 10, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Hazy sunshine is peaking through in Federal Hill, Baltimore. Wind is strong off the water. Well over a foot here.

Posted by: snowdentist | February 10, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

@mr. q

you're not a climatologist. you're not a meteorologist, or an oceanographer, or a hydrologist. you're a troll on a public forum making arguments against climate change based on three years' worth of data you found on a blog.

congratulations. you're a d**khead.

@anybody else who keeps talking about climate change

it's an argument none of you will win right now. can't we just talk about this storm?

Posted by: spankyman111 | February 10, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

This is nuts. Whiteout conditions, virtually non-stop, for the last 4 hours in Thomas Circle! And that's from the snow falling from the sky!

Feds definitely closed all week.

Posted by: 300_sq_ft | February 10, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

report from cleveland park:
it's AWFUL out there. visibility less than 100 yards on wisconsin ave. stay in or stay close to home. there's no way fed is open tomorrow.

about 8-10 inches of my car. snow is light and fluffy. ice underneath snow in spots. some brave souls were walking places. after about 10 minutes outside the exposed parts of my face were frozen.

Posted by: dotjeffdot | February 10, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

All:

Enough with the global warming/climate change stuff already. I think it's happening and that, as someone pointed out, we definitely need to address pollution of the sort that China is wreaking on its people and its neighbors. But this isn't the place.

And arrabbiato: your credibility is zero with me until you retract your impolitic remarks at 11:14.

Posted by: bodypolitic1 | February 10, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys

In case you haven't noticed,

IT'S A ONCE-IN-A-LIFETIME event outside.

How about we stop the political debate and RELAX for a second. Try to ENJOY this moment, and if you hate snow, just be glad it's not rain right now!

Why are DC types so tightly-wound?

Posted by: 300_sq_ft | February 10, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

boy it's been coming down hard, blowing and drifting, piling up deep all the way up to our waists...of course I'm referring to the GW blogging.

Posted by: dvorak9 | February 10, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

...peeking in from work, where it's currently "blizzarding" like crazy (Fair Lakes area of Fairfax County)

and man, the trolls seem to be out in force today!

Posted by: natsncats | February 10, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, DaveB2, for pre-empting my rant. I know, this is a local weather blog, but when people say, essentially, "My butt is cold; therefore, there is no global warming," it's hard not to take the bait.

Posted by: bhirshon | February 10, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Prince William schools just announced that they're closed for the rest of the week...Code Red Thursday, advising employees to check for status on Friday.

Posted by: meta2 | February 10, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

HolyMoley = idiot = probably stuck in a snowdrift casue he could drive in the alps

idiot

Posted by: notdlo1975 | February 10, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

We should be very close to the all-time record season snowfall for Washington. Can the poster who provides the Accuweather info update at 1:00 p.m. (Is this data from Accuweather Premium?)

Another record to keep in mind if we get a few inches out of next week's system: the all-time monthly Washington monthly record is 34+ inches. (We've surely topped this figure at DCA since the end-of-January snow.)

Posted by: JerryFloyd1 | February 10, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Hot Fudge Brownies!!
And the Bolis pizza guy just drove by here in Brookland.
Still snowing and blowing though.

Posted by: jaw33 | February 10, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that some of you immediately engage in name calling? Calling me a neanderthal and a d**khead. What the heck???

CWG, are you going to enforce your own policies? I made one slip up a couple years ago and you immediately deleted the comment and publicly admonished me. Do you have one set of standards, or two, CWG?

Mr. Q.

Posted by: Mr_Q | February 10, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

What a storm!
Down here in Southeast Texas, we had heavy rains night before last, the whipping "tail" of this storm, as it swept through the nation.
Once about every 10 years or so, we have snow in our area.
This year, our only snowfall was in the middle of December -- it started snowing at twilight, quit before about 10PM or so and melted in the night.
My estimate, from examining the branches on the tree in front of our house in the light from the porch was about 1/8-inch.
We were disappointed; the only trace the next morning, which was bright and sunny, were a few patches in shadows.
That's it.
We have had snowfalls of about an inch or so in past years.
I know you are having a whiteout blizzard.
As I told my cousin in Annapolis, MD, I do wish I could sit by someone's front window up there and look out at the view.
I will say this:
In 1965, I survived the "Great Chicago Snowfall" -- 24 inches in 24 hours over New Year's Eve.
That was a great snowfall.
The city graded the major streets.
Our neighbor across the street owned a road construction company.
He had his big grader grade one lane from Western Avenue to his home.
We dug about 4 feet and we were able to drive to the stores, etc.
That was a blessing!
Good luck to all of you.
I know this isn't easy.
I heard a roof caved in on the Smithsonian's Air and Space Museum's storage building.
This storm is going to provoke a lot of suffering for many whose houses and business buildings are being stressed.

Posted by: Judy-in-TX | February 10, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Complete whiteout in Bailey's Crossroads, by the Alexandria campus of NVCC.

Posted by: lydgate | February 10, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Walter & Arrabioto,

A monologue is not a debate. That you both resort to "WTF" shows your immaturity. Typical of narcissist post- baby boomers. Why are you so angry and full of angst? Cry babies...

Posted by: HolyMoley | February 10, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Absolute white-out conditions here in Glover Park-I can't see the woods at all, and the snow is pouring out of the sky-not let up one bit-there are snow drifts on the balcony-but looking down at the sheltered parts where snow has accumulated, I'd say we have about 9" since last night.

Posted by: arrabbiato | February 10, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Mr Q,

Ignore the name-calling. When they lose perspective and logic, they resort to it every time.

Appreciate your sense of humor.

Posted by: HolyMoley | February 10, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

The combination of continuing new snow, blowing snow, and brightening sky in Adams Morgan is strange....

Posted by: krosseel | February 10, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

HolyMoley-just quit acting like such a twit, okay? You make yourself sound ridiculous, since you don't know what the EFF you're talking about, right?

Posted by: arrabbiato | February 10, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

This storm does not disprove global warming. That's ridiculous. However, I remember many, many people citing Hurricane Katrina as evidence of global warming. That was equally ridiculous.

There are legitimate questions about the accuracy of the data that the IPCC has gathered, which is then used to preach the gospel of global warming. That's where the global warming debate belongs. Not over this storm

Posted by: bcp76 | February 10, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Centreville VA still some snow but sun is trying to peek thru. Accumulating snow for western Fairfax now over(?) have about 6 inches here.
Amazing freak winter. Wow.

Posted by: FIREDRAGON47 | February 10, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Living vicariously through all the comments and pictures of all the snow. I'm curious to know if lakes and rivers are frozen to help picture how it all looks. Anyone?

Posted by: eddiedog2 | February 10, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

It's a shame there's no "ignore" function in these blog comments. I want to hear and talk about today's weather in the DC area, but I have to wade through all this stupid namecalling about other stuff. Very tiresome.

Posted by: shepdave2003 | February 10, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

guys, climate change/global warming exist. stop arguing about it. the reason we are having all this snow is El Nino, which is a result of warm waters in the pacific ocean. Climate change also wont make it 20 degrees hotter every day, but will throw all of earths systems off-balance. Calm down.

Posted by: samdman95 | February 10, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

heavy snow in Central Arl, snow plows on US 50 barely visible from 150 feet away

Posted by: tleckey15 | February 10, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

The last post about school is way off base They may be back on Monday a long shot but they will return even if it is for one day next week as they have no choice. As spring break may be enjoyed in the class room or they will be out of school after the 4th of July in Fairfax County. The sun is out in Warrenton. The tv weather men have no clue.

Posted by: umpandref | February 10, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Walter & Arrabiato - you should get together and share their box of Kleenex. You are the same type of people that want the Gummit to solve all your problems. I survived the Ice Storm of 97 in Upstate NY, have never been stuck in the snow, and can out-ski you both.

Go ahead, sucker punch away.

Posted by: HolyMoley | February 10, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Still blowing like stink by Fort Myer. Just beyond belief. NO WAY will the Metro above-ground stations be open tomorrow.

Posted by: Juan-John | February 10, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Glover Parkers,
Not only is Rocklands closed so is Plain Old Pearsons and Whole Foods. Luckily the little grocery on 37th is open.
I saw a cop drive a lady to Good Guys - apparently MPD provides taxi services to strippers!

Posted by: Bainbridge | February 10, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Howdy guys:

I have a colleague working in the emergency operations center for Fairfax County in the GIS section. I got a call (since I am known as the office weather nerd) asking for any resources that they can use for past precipitation products, future percipitation products, wind maps (current and future). Flat maps would be fine, but anything in GIS formats would be great. Any guidance (even if its to point me to another forum) wold be most apreciated.

Oh yeah, snowing with viscious wind on Cap Hill.

Posted by: GISman | February 10, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Snow has really picked up again in Darnestown. I stopped trying to measure but best guess is about a foot so far. It looks as though this storm, as have all the others this year, will exceed expectations. Once in a lifetime is right!

Posted by: curtmccormick | February 10, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

TONS of snow here in Fairfax, my office in Manassas getting screwed by radar

Posted by: rocotten | February 10, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Still snowing and blowing here in Old Town....will it stop soon???Very very sick of snow. Family sent wonderful pictures of sunshine and flowers in California. No mas, no mas!

Posted by: heatherfeather1 | February 10, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Nice post Judy-in-TX, if you had the tail of this beast, we experienced the head nose in up here in south-central MN. Sun-Mon night we got about 10" snow with decent drifts. Of course what they are getting in DC area now is another world.

Posted by: dvorak9 | February 10, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand all of this "stay off the roads" crap. I just drove all around Fairfax County and it was fine.

Posted by: oriolesfan23 | February 10, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

HolyMoley,

I learned long ago that when one side resorts to name calling I have won the debate.

What really bothers me is that if you are an opponent of the catastrophic, man made global warming theory and you call someone a name, CWG will rightfully insert themselves, unprompted, and delete your comment and then publicly admonish you. But if you are a proponent of AGW, they won't say a word unless goaded. Their double standard is what really bothers me.

Thanks for the compliment. I haven't seen you here before. I'll make sure to read your comments.

Keep fighting the good fight.

Mr. Q.

Posted by: Mr_Q | February 10, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Prince William schools closed this Thurs. and Fri. Thurs- Code Red and Fri- Code ??

Let's pray- for all of our sakes and sanity- that the plows start moving and shaking once safe!!

Another week without school/work and we will ......

Posted by: aquarnnr | February 10, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

bcp-that's all well and good, but you know, bobosnow and others actually STILL believe, and do NOT know, that the "ice caps will be melted in 30 years" BS was a total lie, and Al Gore repeated it at the climate change conference and was forced to retract it-there is so much BS printed about climate change that the faulty brake owners of Priuses and biofuel proponents so desperately want to hold onto-the nitwits who would prefer that the developing world starve so they can drive their hip biofuel cars instead of having corn grown for food-it makes me want to puke!

Posted by: arrabbiato | February 10, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

As suggested earlier in a separate thread, if folks want to debate issues swap emails.

Alternatively, as a couple of posters were doing this a.m., use an earlier thread for your discussion.

The overwhelming majority of us aren't interested in these back-and-forth debates/discussions so please, be considerate.

Posted by: JerryFloyd1 | February 10, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Alexandria section of Fairfax County: Just in from an hour of shoveling. A good foot of new snow, and still snowing very hard. One burst of wind literally limited visibility to less than ten feet!

Posted by: InVA1 | February 10, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with talking about global warming (or lack of it) on a weather comments section? Oh, I see, talk about the snow only, children, and not what might or might not be causing it. Don't think that much. People telling me what not to discuss is always a little concerning to me.

Posted by: SusanMarie2 | February 10, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Q,

Spot on. The WP and NYT are very similar in that regard.

Some of my comments are dripping in sarcasm. Having fun goading Walter and Arabiato. These young kids have no sense of humor.

All the Best,
HolyMoley

Posted by: HolyMoley | February 10, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Heavy snow and wind in Alexandria right now. There has already been a lot of tree damage here, and these weather conditions are likely to cause more.

Posted by: Frida7 | February 10, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Please make it stop.
The off topic posts.....not the snow!

Posted by: FIREDRAGON47 | February 10, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

HolyMoley, why don't you and Mr. Q get a room already

Posted by: bendan2000 | February 10, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Al Gore has a Nobel prize, so he is an undisputed authority on all Climate matters. Said with a smile.

Posted by: HolyMoley | February 10, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

@oriolesfan23:

"I don't understand all of this "stay off the roads" crap. I just drove all around Fairfax County and it was fine."


??? Huh?

Posted by: SWester2010 | February 10, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's just me, but this thing seems to be overperforming in a lot of places around DC. We've had near white-out conditions here in Logan throughout much of the past 4 hours, and it's showing no signs of letting up.

Posted by: ultrapop101 | February 10, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

@celestun100

You might like to look at "The Children's Blizzard" by David Laskin ---
"In three minutes, the front subtracted eighteen degrees from the air's temperature. Then evening gathered in, and temperatures kept dropping in the northwest gale. By morning on Friday, January 13, 1988, more than a hundred children lay dead on the Dakota-Nebraska prairie..."

Fascinating reading for someone interested in the weather. Just be ready for a sad story.

Posted by: djm-01 | February 10, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Seriously CWG. Can't you just ban HolyMoley already? The guy hasn't added anything to this thread or any in the last couple days.

Posted by: mason08 | February 10, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Was out walking south of Old Town and nothing is open...not even the coffee shop or pizza joint. I'm beginning to feel like the father in "The Shining"! Don't know how our ancestors coped being snowed in their cabins for days and no blogs!:)

Posted by: heatherfeather1 | February 10, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I do not think that CWG can rightfully claim neutrality or whatever disclaimer they use regarding global warming, simply on the basis that they have Andrew on as a regular blogger. Just by that action alone, I view CWG solely as pro-GW, and generally skip over their environment-related posts (although I don't skip the comment sections!). That's just me, though. I don't think CWG should stop what they're doing, though (I visit this site a lot!) -- but they should try being more honest about how they're showing bias just by having Andrew on board.

Posted by: JSTF | February 10, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Yup, see the sun finally breaking through the last bit of snow flurries. Temp is up to a whopping 20 here in Centreville but the wind chill is no joke, under 10 with these gusts.

Someone mentioned the birds - I noticed them out in full force around midmorning - they were out like in full force when the weekend storm also died down. I have some great shots of the robins in the bushes. We must have had a gang of 40 hanging around.

Guess I need to do another round of photos - just trying to get motivated.

Posted by: bobosnow | February 10, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the snow is about to shut off starting from western Fairfax and PW moving east. Still snowing in Lake Ridge, but it's much brighter now with the sun visible through the clouds.

Posted by: ZmanVA | February 10, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

@SusanMarie2, there are numerous other forums to discuss global warming, political points of view, etc. By all means, discuss away on those forums.

But, everyone, we are in the middle of a severe weather situation, unprecedented in our lifetimes in Washington, D.C. Please use other forums/media to discuss other issues, so we can focus on the current storm today.

Posted by: JerryFloyd1 | February 10, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Good one Brendan, but unlike you I prefer the company of women.

Posted by: HolyMoley | February 10, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

West Springfield 1:15pm - still snowing - storm subtotal 8" - easier to shovel now though.

Posted by: bikerjohn | February 10, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

OK CWG guys weigh in with where you think everything's is heading over the next several hours. From what I'm seeing up here in Washington County MD the snow just keeps feeding from the NE. Anyway, anything to get some storm-related discussions going again...please :-)

Posted by: bendersx6 | February 10, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I have lived in Ottawa, Ontario in Canada and this city lies in what they called the snow belt. This kind of thing will not happen there because they know how to deal with it to prevent this kind of disaster.
Basically, they do not wait until the last snow has fallen and start plowing. If you do, it becomes more difficult to move the snow. The same thing with shovelling, you start at a certain thickness when it is easier to shovel and not wait until it becomes so thick and heavy and a lot harder to move, especially wet snow, it is like shovelling wet sand.

Posted by: amorsolo | February 10, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Schools are out Monday anyways, because of Presidents Day. Let's hope some districts can get back up by Tuesday. I love a snow day as much as anyone but lessons need to resume.
Arlington County Schools has a 'Snow Learning' page with some activities parents can do with children, if anyone's interested:
http://www.apsva.us/1540102910135880/site/default.asp?

Posted by: Snowlover2 | February 10, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Looking at radar seems Westminster has been getting hit hard, anyone measuring out there?

Posted by: dvorak9 | February 10, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Walter,

Re: "I am still wondering how they measure snow accumulations in conditions like this."

Try your car dipstick.

Posted by: HolyMoley | February 10, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

This is the weather that makes babies arrive 20 minutes after contractions start. I know, I had one like that when Hurricane Katrina got to DC. Good to have any birth support person at home because it's one heck of a fast and bumpy ride.

Posted by: elizestrada | February 10, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Despite all this nonsense about a couple of lousy snowstorms proving or disproving global warming, out here in the North West, we are having lovely warm weather. The warmest January in Seattle ever recorded. Next week you will be reminded about the lack of snow at the Olympics in Vancouver. Do I think that this proves or disproves Global "Warming?" No, that takes years of observation and even then the global mean temperature will only be different by a few degrees. So you have a local weather event..... the scientists are talking about the globe, the whole earth. The mindless skeptics clearly have seen their shadows and need to craw back in their caves.

Posted by: joer2 | February 10, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Centreville VA a little bit of powder fine snow is still coming down, but fuzzy sunshine is getting stronger. I think that's all for the SW sections of the warning area. Looks like we just made it to the bottom spread of predicted accumulations 6 inches).
Fingers crossed for final DCA measurement later today.

Posted by: FIREDRAGON47 | February 10, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and people like HolyMoley are just trolls. On most other Internet comment boards, he/she would be banned, but i guess the tolerance for such childish behavior is higher here. But whatever, most right-thinking individuals understand that isolated events (like this blizzard) mean little or nothing in terms of global climate change indicators--certainly no more so than some 100 degree days in July, for instance. So just let HolyMoley and Mr. Q go on agreeing with each other, and the rest of us can continue to gawk out our windows.

Posted by: ultrapop101 | February 10, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

the important thing is whether we keep getting this wonderful atlantic moisture ("wrap-around"?), or is this thing winding up for us?

i'd like to say we've gotten about 6 or 8 new inches here, but, i don't really know how/where to measure this stuff....but it's sure pretty!

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | February 10, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Just north of Del ray - I just went outside to take out some trash & try to walk around a bit - I barely made it to the dumpster. The wind is so fierce, blew the snow right in my face, within half a second my glasses were coated in snow & I couldn't see a thing. Turned around and went right back inside. It's awful out there!

Posted by: esmith22015 | February 10, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

The low pressure center has bombed off the coast and appears to be stuck or even drifting west slightly. Could mean a few more hours of moderate to heavy bands? Thoughts CWG?

Posted by: DLO1975 | February 10, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

CWG - Any way for you guys to eliminate the GW for and against nut-jobs? They're killing this great blog.

Posted by: parksndc | February 10, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

djm-01 - thanks for the referral about this historic storm, I just did some googling - unbelievable. I had no idea about this particular event. Tragic.

Posted by: bobosnow | February 10, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Is the Potomac River frozen (and therefore snow covered)?

Posted by: eddiedog2 | February 10, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

@walter

It is vexing to try to measure in this blizzard-type weather. I have been going out and taking an average of several depths away from drifts and the lowest levels of snow.

Posted by: krosseel | February 10, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

@JerryFloyd1 Agreed. If people want to fight off-topic, please take it outside!

Posted by: DCinVA | February 10, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

dj-I'm confused, how does "for and against" GW make you a nut-job, huh? In fact discussion of climate change, interspersed with weather commentary regarding the most extraordinary weather I've ever seen as a DC BORN RESIDENT makes GW issues VERY relevant to this blog!

Posted by: arrabbiato | February 10, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

@ultrapop101, gawking is a challenge today. I keep having to raise my window screens to knock the snow off so I can see outside. And so far, in NW DC, this storm is still raging.

Posted by: JerryFloyd1 | February 10, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Appears that the snow has stopped here in eastern woodbridge (22191) :( The wind is still blowing and large chunks of snow are being dislodged from the bigger trees and dropping everywhere.

Posted by: drmammal | February 10, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

CWG: Is the low off the coast starting to move in a more W-WSW direction? I seem to remember a model predicting that the low would intensify, move NE, then come BACK towards us before eventually jetting out of here. I have noticed in the last panel of your radar snow beginning to reform in points NW of DC.

Posted by: genestad | February 10, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

New posters, if you can't play nicely with your sock puppets, you should put them away.

Posted by: elizestrada | February 10, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

saying someone believes in global warming is like saying you believe in evolution, it is a fact. calm down and enjoy the snow. I love CWG and while i dont normally read the posts about global warming, it is a serious problem, but should stay off this site. HolyMoley and Mr. Q, please go back to commenting on foxnews, not on this great WEATHER site!

Posted by: samdman95 | February 10, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

In Rosslyn/Ft. Myer, the clouds are somewhat brighter but the snow and wind is still amazingly relentless

Posted by: genestad | February 10, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Maybe relevant to the CWG Blog, when the subject is relevant and the discussion thereof, but it IS NOT relevant in any way shape or form to this CWG post about this particular storm - and the back and forth comments and name calling is equally off-topic. Give it a rest.

Posted by: bendersx6 | February 10, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

NWS has increased daytime snow totals possible in the last hour, at least for College Park, MD, from 3-7 to 6-10. Also, the blizzard warning now says 12-24 inches total rather than 10-20 inches.

The wind is HOWLING outside of my apartment, near rt. 1 and the beltway. I usually have a great view of 495, about 1000 feet away, but it is completely gone at the moment.

Posted by: mdskater | February 10, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

My wife and I just ventured out for some additional food supplies--gonna make my famous chili today. Walked 2 blocks to the Safeway at 14th & Kentucky SE--closed. Walked another 3 blocks to the Harris Teeter at Jenkins Row, still open, shelves are well-stocked, not too many people about. I think thy're about to close, though.
I have NEVER experienced conditions like this. visibility was less than 100yds on Penn Ave, SE. cars are completely covered now. plow has come through at least a couple times on the main arteries, but the wind is kicking the stuff up so quickly, they're back to fresh powder in just a few mins. I really cant see the Feds opening again tomorrow.
Just my report from Hill East.

Posted by: rhingo | February 10, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

At of 1 PM Regan airport has 8.7 inches of snow.

http://www.erh.noaa.gov/lwx/events/index.php

Posted by: Cheesewheel | February 10, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I mean Reagan :)

Posted by: Cheesewheel | February 10, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

1 p.m. snow total at DCA is 8.7"; so we're now at 53.8" for the season and only .7" short of the all time DC record. Should happen by the 3 p.m. posting.

And I'm all for moving GW discussions elsewhere. It will take a lot of scientific study to determine what if any impact GW has to do with this storm. So let's bag it for today, already.

Posted by: JerryFloyd1 | February 10, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

don't like the west movement on the radar, one bit. I thought this was almost done in Frederick. Still have at least 2 hours of real snow.

Posted by: drc231 | February 10, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, bender, but that is YOUR opinion, and your opinion only-I don't share it--climate change discussion IS relevant here, on THIS blog, as most blogs do not faithfully adhere in every instance to what the demanders want everyone to post about, right?

Posted by: arrabbiato | February 10, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Too bad the Post doesn't have a discussion board where the global warming debate can take place and leave the weather gang site alone...

Oh wait...

Posted by: jochpo | February 10, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Sun is shining through the clouds at 1:35 in Alexandria. Am sadly quite excited. Winds are fierce however and blowing snow is everywhere. But the sun is out!!!

Posted by: heatherfeather1 | February 10, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Waaaaaahhhhhh...

Posted by: HolyMoley | February 10, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

here is south arlington near walter reed rec center. The wind looks like it is dying down and the snow has tapered to flurries but still nasty out there.

Posted by: VAresident2 | February 10, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Sun trying to come out in Huntington. A sub-concern is that people will think that conditions are on the way to becoming hunky dory just because the sun is out. Not with these winds. Even tomorrow is going to suck.

Posted by: JefffromHuntington | February 10, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

One thing I've experienced since Saturday is "sleepiness." (I refuse to accept it as "laziness!") I have bursts of energy, then poop out. I got up at 7:30 this morning, looked out side, and went back to bed. Not your typical Wednesday, that's for sure. This weather doesn't help if you're a natural night owl, either. I'm staying up way later than I normally would be during the week. My internal clock is totally messed up.

All I can think is, thank goodness we have a 3-day weekend coming up so I can get my act together, LOL.

Posted by: bobosnow | February 10, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Folks-- We will unpublish comments that include name-calling. Multiple offenses may result in blocking of posting privileges. Please keep the discussion on topic.

Posted by: Jason-CapitalWeatherGang | February 10, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Last thing arrabbiato - it is not relevant to this post or the talk about this storm. Look back through the comments it has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of POSTS in CWG (see Andrew's) for you to yammer about it to your heart's content. Just like you don't give a dang about my opinion on GW, I don't care about yours on a POST dedicated to this historic storm.

Posted by: bendersx6 | February 10, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

New post up.

Posted by: Murre | February 10, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Jason!

Posted by: krosseel | February 10, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Topper Shutt said, on Channel 9, a couple of hours ago, that the the back edge of the precip would reach the Potomac River and move out of VA within an hour. That just isn't happening. The westward/southward movement of moisture, and the precipitation bands, around the low center, just isn't letting the back of the precip move NE.

This has happened several times this season..........TV forecasters calling a premature end to the precip.

Posted by: MMCarhelp | February 10, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Sun is out near Van Dorn & 495 (never sure what to call this area). Could this mean the snow is almost over?

Posted by: sampson8 | February 10, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

And the response is very simple, bender: IF YOU DON'T CARE FOR THE SUBJECT MATTER, OR DON'T LIKE IT, THEN DON'T READ IT, RIGHT? SKIP IT! It's like when posters say "oh this is a ridiculous story, I can't believe the Post printed this!" WELL, THEN, WHY DID YOU READ IT AND CARE ENOUGH TO POST ABOUT IT, HUH?

Posted by: arrabbiato | February 10, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I will not feed the trolls I will not feed the trolls I will not feed the trolls.......

Posted by: ChickenLady | February 10, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I'll also add that the low itself seems to be moving off rather slowly, due to vertical stacking that isn't giving it much push.

FINALLY, however, the snow in Fairfax County (Vienna) seems to be lightening up, though not entirely over. This has been one STUBBORN precip shield.

Posted by: MMCarhelp | February 10, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Just looked out the rec room window here in Gainesville... the sun is peeking through the clouds and it is windy but not gusting too bad, for the moment. My Weatherbug gadget reports 21-25 mph winds and 30 degrees at a school a few miles down the street. Looks like the storm is pulling out of PWCo. Wonder if the winds will pick up again or die down as the storm moves up the coast...

Posted by: jaradel | February 10, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Ten inches of new snow in Bethesda... I think. I measured a few locations in my front yard, but got anywhere from 8" to 11". So take it with a grain of salt.

Any idea of how much longer this is supposed to last?

Posted by: nlcaldwell | February 10, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

djm-01 Re: Children's Blizzard. Yes, a great book on a tragic event.. but the date of course was Jan 13 1888, not 1988. It was the inspiration for the blizzard account in Laura Ingals Wilder book. Exactly two months later, the Great Blizzard of 1888 hit NYC and New England. Goes to show you that stormy weather patterns are not a new thing..

Posted by: snowbiz | February 10, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Samdman - it is not necessarily a FACT that the earth is warming. It depends on what your starting date is. It is actually pretty well know fact that the earth has been in a slight cooling pattern over the last decade. That is why those global warming scientists are in such hot water. If you read some of their leaked emails, you will find that they are quite distraught the the recent data doesn't back up their apocalyptic predictions. There's lots of scientists on both sides of this debate (that know a heck of a lot more that either of us) that have come to different conclusions. I would be careful about throwing around your "facts" if you don't truly understand how that data has been gathered and computed.

Posted by: bcp76 | February 10, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I find the best way to deflect GW issues is to simply smile and observe "global warming happens every summer." And then move on (or away, as the case may be.)

Posted by: mheney | February 10, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

jaradel.....same here a few miles away in Vienna. Now I can see the sun very dimly through multi-layer clouds, with precip lightening up.

Posted by: MMCarhelp | February 10, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Still getting pounded in Tenleytown.

Posted by: Langway4Eva | February 10, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

New post up, guys.

Posted by: Murre | February 10, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

elizestrada,

I agree completely. Great post!

Posted by: Ken_Davis1 | February 10, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey bendersx6, I'm in Wash. County too, Hagerstown. Snowing and blowing forever, eh?

Posted by: EllenBedlington | February 10, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

@GISman

You can get GIS Data (KML at least, not sure about SHP) on the NWS website: http://radar.weather.gov/GIS.html

Hope that helps!

Posted by: bdeco | February 10, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

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