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Posted at 5:00 AM ET, 01/22/2011

Forecast: Frigid into early week, then stormy

By Ian Livingston
Today's Daily Digit
A somewhat subjective rating of the
day's weather, on a scale of 0 to 10.


Last Saturday was a nice day to be outside. This one's cold enough to want to stay in all day long!
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Today: Partly sunny. 23-27. | Tonight: Partly cloudy. Mid teens to near 20. | Tomorrow: Partly sunny, breezy. Upper 20s to near 30. | A Look Ahead | Get Express Forecast by E-mail


Today Washington stares down its 3rd sub 30-degree high temperature of the season. The 30 winter running average ending 2009-10 is 5.1 such days per season in D.C. as recorded at National Airport. Therefore, we're almost halfway home -- we (or I) can only hope! After today's cold, there's more cold tomorrow, and another really cold day on Monday. After all this chill, there may be some snow at the end of the tunnel. How much? Well, keep on reading.

Snow Potential Index: 5 (↑) - The storm lurking for Tuesday into Wednesday still has a lot of question marks. Seems the odds are decent for some accumulation though.

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Today (Saturday): The cold we've been warning about hits a peak (the first of two?) today. Despite partly sunny skies, the chilliest morning readings of the season in some spots only rise to highs in the mid-20s, perhaps barely into the upper 20s in the warmest locales. Thankfully winds are much less of an issue than Friday. Confidence: High

Tonight: It's another frigid night under partly cloudy skies, though with a very light wind at least we don't have to deal with those wind chills we've become accustomed to. Lows fall back into the middle teens in the suburbs to nearer 20 downtown. The ground continues to become cement! Confidence: High

What about the storm on the horizon? Is it going to be very white, very wet or another partly cloudy missed opportunity?

Tomorrow (Sunday): A weak cold front passes through, probably in the morning. The main noticeable effect should be a wind shift back to the northwest, with some gusts past 20 mph possible. Despite partly sunny skies, highs temperatures are not very high. Upper 20s to near 30 should do it. Confidence: Medium-High

Tomorrow Night: This is another really cold night, maybe even more so than the one we just went through. Look for lows to potentially head as low the upper single digits in the coldest suburbs to the mid teens downtown. Confidence: Medium-High


On Monday it's still cold and partly sunny. In similar fashion to Saturday, temperatures look to really struggle to get through the mid-20s. High clouds should be on the increase as the day wears on, perhaps thickening and lowering late before a mostly cloudy night. Confidence: Medium

By Tuesday morning, a slight risk of snow (20%) shows up and that risk increases heading late into the day (50%), though it should mainly hold off till after dark. Depending on the ultimate track of the storm system, snow may mix with or change to rain, especially during daylight hours when temperatures rise through the 30s. I think we see some snow, though how much is certainly up for debate and I'd lean higher in the suburbs. The setup looks decent but cold air might be lacking, we'll see... Confidence: Low

By Ian Livingston  | January 22, 2011; 5:00 AM ET
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It's been a while since snow lovers here worried about the snow/rain line. Worried, as in hoping for it to be cold enough to snow!

Posted by: jaybird926 | January 22, 2011 5:41 AM | Report abuse

Just as long as it isn't freezing rain. We don't need any more of that!

Posted by: HenryFPotter | January 22, 2011 7:30 AM | Report abuse

You gotta be kidding me: we freeze off important body parts for days, then it warms up through (and more or less only through) the precipitation? If it ice storms again, I'm going to be one unhappy lady. This winter has been such a downer!

Posted by: BadMommy1 | January 22, 2011 7:36 AM | Report abuse

Gang- some models show a rain storm, some models are a little colder, BUT...the colder models also have a sharp precip cutoff right at the freezing line. The dreaded precipitation gradient may come into play here, meaning we either get a big rain storm with above freezing temps OR we have the freezing temps but that comes with a cutoff in precip.

Sadly, I think this could be a realistic solution. What do you think?

Posted by: 4seamed | January 22, 2011 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Most recent QPF forecast from NWS, 12Z Tues to 12Z Thurs.

Over 1.25 liquid equivalent for DC metro. Huge precip shield. No tight gradient, at not least like what we've seen so far this winter.

Posted by: HurricaneSpud | January 22, 2011 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Warmed up to 6.8F from a low of 5.7 this morning in the Blue Ridge Mtns.

Posted by: spgass1 | January 22, 2011 8:09 AM | Report abuse

It's cold out there this morning... The current reading on my deck here in Sterling is 12.7°F.

Posted by: BobMiller2 | January 22, 2011 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Doug hill says.. all snow the west of I-95 and a mix east... but dosnt say how much! I am getting excited. But like we all know.. better not get too excited the way this winter has been.

Posted by: teebyrd86 | January 22, 2011 8:11 AM | Report abuse

12.9 in Cloverly first thing this morning. That's the coldest here in a while. Still, nothing close to this day in 1985. All time record cold in Virginia, North Carolina and South Carolina. Blacksburg hit 20 below and Mt. Lake nearby was 30 below to set the record. Can't recall the DC temps but I know that President Reagan's 2nd inaugural festivities where all moved inside. Incredible cold that weekend!

Posted by: MDDem2 | January 22, 2011 8:24 AM | Report abuse

12.9 in Cloverly first thing this morning. That's the coldest here in a while. Still, nothing close to this day in 1985. All time record cold in Virginia, North Carolina and South Carolina. Blacksburg hit 20 below and Mt. Lake nearby was 30 below to set the record. Can't recall the DC temps but I know that President Reagan's 2nd inaugural festivities where all moved inside. Incredible cold that weekend!

Posted by: MDDem2 | January 22, 2011 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Let's see, Tues a.m. my normal 50 mile / slight over one hour commute, turned into a 2.5 hour fun fest due to a truck accident on I 70 near Mt. Airy, caused by the weather. Do you think I want to go through this again on a weekday, no thanks. You snow lovers can dance around all you want, good luck, personally, I don't care if I see another flake, at least not on a weekday. To me, unless you like to ski, snowmobile, ice skate on a pond or whatever, you can have this weather. I'd be happy with a few, 50 degree days.....

Posted by: soyboy99 | January 22, 2011 8:34 AM | Report abuse

I never liked the expression "upper 20's to near 30". Upper twenties is near 30. I never heard that expression until maybe 10 years ago, now every meteorologist says it.

Also, if we are going to have heighs only in the mid 20's on Monday, I doubt if we are just going to have a neat transition from snow to rain on Tuesday. When we start out that cold, don't we normally experience some of the dreaded transition precip?

Posted by: frontieradjust | January 22, 2011 9:08 AM | Report abuse

@MDDem2 -

Remember that day in 1985 all too well. Was at VT then. Wow, bitterly cold. Still remember seeing students wearing gas masks walking to class before classes were finally cancelled due to the bitter cold. Coldest weather I can ever remember.

Posted by: ThinkSpring | January 22, 2011 9:18 AM | Report abuse

It's definitely going to be all snow for the D.C. area. It's never gonna warm up to above 30. We are getting pounded with snow this time. 7 inches of SNOW!

Posted by: SNOWLUVER | January 22, 2011 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I'm a native New Englander so I have a natural affinity for snow- lots of it!

Having said that, though, I'm kinda glad that we've been given a reprieve from the snow of last winter. Considering the state of municipal budgets these days, we're saving ourselves a lot of money by not having to pay for snow removal! I can't imagine what the financial status of the local towns and cities would be right now if we had a repeat of last winter. And besides, my condo association hiked the monthly dues last summer to make up for the shortfall.

I'm willing to give up the joys of snow for the time being if it helps the local (and my) bottom line

Posted by: novatom | January 22, 2011 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Just curious, is anybody else watching that Low pressure system currently off the GA-SC coast, with the moisture moving towards the North now reaching the outerbanks??....interesting. The Low looks to be moving towards the coast in the last couple hours. Just thought it was interesting.

Posted by: kdvols1 | January 22, 2011 9:32 AM | Report abuse


they actually have winter weather advisories in SE NC on the beaches. expected 1 to 2 of snow there. that doesn't happen that often down there

Posted by: mciaram1 | January 22, 2011 9:43 AM | Report abuse

currently 19.3, with a low of 16.6 last night.

we snowlovers were NOT pleased with the recent ice storm. i've said how the one area of common ground, the intersection of domains, btwn snow lovers and haters is or common disdain for sleet, ice, and freezing rain ("snowfanity").

wow... that picture you linked to is so beautiful.... purple...! you say that's from the NWS? it's so different from the latest GFS which shows about 1/3 of that much precip. also the GFS does have a tight gradient.

what's up with that? any idea what models/info they're basing that on?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | January 22, 2011 9:49 AM | Report abuse

New NAM has the low on a track that would take it WAY west of us- big rain.

Posted by: 4seamed | January 22, 2011 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: FIREDRAGON47 | January 22, 2011 9:58 AM | Report abuse

has that "problem" with those 2 recent GFS runs been resolved?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | January 22, 2011 10:01 AM | Report abuse

MDDem2 and ThinkSpring, Mountain Lake Virginia got down to -30F on 1/21/85. That must have been one of the winters with some good outdoor ice skating...

Posted by: spgass1 | January 22, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

To all- we're going to post an overview/analysis of the latest model runs midday (1-1:30 p.m. timeframe)

Posted by: Jason-CapitalWeatherGang | January 22, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse

MDDem2 and ThinkSpring,
i was at VT during that time frame too. as i recall, in 85 i was living at the "terrace view" apartments...right across from that 7-11 on tom's creek road...

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | January 22, 2011 10:22 AM | Report abuse


No. I do have word, however, that NCEP/EMC will be looking into it and get back to me on what they find. I'd not expect a quick fix, though, since generally speaking diagnoses and testing any model changes, if necessary, take time.

So, if the problem continues or repeats, remember this is an additional element contributing to the intrinsic uncertainty in any given GFS run. I'm not sure yet if this affects the GFS ensemble.

Posted by: SteveT-CapitalWeatherGang | January 22, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

This is this morning's GFS snowfall accumulation output:

It has 6 - 10 inches area wide; even as far south as Stafford county.

The 12z GFS will be coming out shortly... even with the 6z, we're near the cutoff between major snow and light snow. Hopefully the heavy precip shifts a little farther south with the next run...

btw, this is an interesting video:

It is footage of blizzard conditions at the White House on Feb 10; very picturesque.

Oh, and finally, It has made it up to 18.4°F on my deck here in Sterling. Good day to stay in.

Posted by: BobMiller2 | January 22, 2011 10:29 AM | Report abuse

AcuuWeather is saying if this storm takes a track right along the coast, all major cities in the I-95 corridor could get 1-2 FEET!!! of snow. Sounds like were in for snowpocalypse 2k 11. Im so excited for this. ALL HAIL THE SNOW GODS!!!

Posted by: SNOWLUVER | January 22, 2011 10:38 AM | Report abuse

BobMiller2- the GFS is completely out of touch with this storm. It may rain, it may snow, but the details the GFS is spitting out are just wrong. It should catch on soon, though.

Posted by: 4seamed | January 22, 2011 10:39 AM | Report abuse

@Snowluver: If Accuweather is predicting feet of snow for us, better get your umbrella ready. Or prepare for a nice sunny day....

Don't hype this. The guys here are being cautious for a reason--we are still several days from really knowing what this storm will do. It's all computer models right now, not actual weather.

Posted by: concepcion611 | January 22, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Interestingly, the NAM and GFS are remarkably similar through 42 hours. Curious to see where they diverge, unless this is the run the GFS catches on.

Posted by: 4seamed | January 22, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

thanks to frontieradjust, I will never be pleased to hear a meteorologist say "upper 20s to near 30" again. I never noticed it before but it truly does sound ridiculous and I will never not notice it again I'm afraid.

Posted by: rocotten | January 22, 2011 11:05 AM | Report abuse

AccuWX predicts a blizzard for the 1-95 corridor? Who would've guessed!

Posted by: bdeco | January 22, 2011 11:06 AM | Report abuse

GFS should come to its senses soon enough. Not surprising that it's living up to its G(ood) F(or) S(now) nickname...

Posted by: ToBeBlunt | January 22, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

12Z GFS is high and dry for DC.

Posted by: bdeco | January 22, 2011 11:16 AM | Report abuse

GFS is juicy, but once again skirts right around us!! Frustrating!

Posted by: snowlover | January 22, 2011 11:22 AM | Report abuse

The 12z GFS is a COMPLETE miss for DC and the whole I-95 corridor. Is that because of that error with the GFS everyone has been talking about or is it actually a reasonable prediction?

The NAM looks like a rain event.

CWG: Should I throw in the towel yet?

Posted by: BobMiller2 | January 22, 2011 11:24 AM | Report abuse

12Z GFS high and dry and has trended slower with the progression of the storm (more in line with the other models). Hopefully the eastward shift in the GFS will also cause an eastward shift in other models which will put the I-95 corridor in the heavy snow rather than heavy rain.

Posted by: Zachazow | January 22, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

For what it's worth, Accuweather's Joe Lundberg is not yet buying the most recent GFS:

"But why do I find this hard to believe? For one reason, the downstream blocking that had been present over the North Atlantic is not nearly as strong as it had been, and this should allow the storm more room to turn north. For another, it begins as a southern stream system, coming out of the Plains late this weekend and across the South Monday and Monday night into Tuesday morning AHEAD of the northern branch feature coming in from the Midwest and Ohio Valley. I have a hard time seeing that kind of set up push the storm out to sea, but instead should cause the upper level flow to become more southerly with time to guide the storm more northward. A third reason is that it is at odds with many other models. An 4, it is the GFS. It's just not a model that often breeds confidence in forecasting! Far too often it 'sees' the storm in the distance, then just simply 'loses' i

Posted by: lilymama | January 22, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

hopefully your "overview/analysis of the latest model runs" will show images from several models. the GFS and NAM are the only ones from which i know how to get qpf totals. hopefully you and show some of the other more "exotic" (to me) models' outputs (and maybe tell us where that beautiful map Hurricane Spud linked to with the purple tongue over my house came from).

also, perhaps you can discuss the "convective precip instability" issue to which steve refers. this sounds like a chronic inherent problem with the GFS.

and, hopefully you can explain what's wrong with this ugly, ugly map:

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | January 22, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Good news if you like snow -- Now the GFS shows a coastal, look for it and the euro to find a middle ground. Right now the GFS is dry and out to sea, while the euro is almost comically wet but also inland. If they found a common ground, those accuweather predictions might hit for some.

Posted by: jpl1019 | January 22, 2011 11:35 AM | Report abuse

This is the only run of the GFS that has been a complete miss. Wait and see what the next two runs look like. Last Euro seemed to have the rain/snow line a bit further east..which is good. NAM only goes out 84 hours...wouldn't even consider it yet. Canadian looks similar to the Euro.

Posted by: DLO1975 | January 22, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

frontieradjust said: 'I never liked the expression "upper 20's to near 30". Upper twenties is near 30.'

I feel the same way. Add that phrase to my list of weather phrases that should be banned. The list also includes: "the white stuff" (it's called snow) and "thunderboomers" or "boomers" (self-explanatory).

Posted by: petworthlad | January 22, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

im liking this nws precip forecast
can't wait till 1:30...

Posted by: SnowDreamer | January 22, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Walter, the GFS is an outlier with a rather strange solution given the lack of great blocking to the north.It's hard to understand why it pushes the low so far out to sea. It also has lots of Steve Tracton's "erroneous" convection that may be muddying the waters. Right now I wouldn't put much stock in it as the next run will probably be different. The 12Z GFS is an extreme outlier of possible solutions.

Posted by: wjunker | January 22, 2011 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Far to early to draw any conclusions for midweek! At this point it's more wishcasting!!!!

Posted by: Jimbo77 | January 22, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Walter, you can find the qpf totals for just about any model except the euro on this website:

It's got everything; the Canadian, the Navy, and the UK along with the American models.

CWG: Can you PLEASE post a picture of the Euro's qpf output on the next post?? Thanks!

Posted by: BobMiller2 | January 22, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I for one am rooting for the Outlier!!! GFS GFS GFS! I know its erroneous but im hopeful for this solution or something very similar. Id love this storm to miss us, maybe just some flurries or snow showers or better yet all rain! We could really use the rain, theres alot of salt out there from the last storm that didnt put down a flake thursday night.

Posted by: KRUZ | January 22, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse


Chances of snow dimming with the GFS "caving" to the other models? Seems like although a Miller B would have been tougher QPF to come by, at least there was more cold air.

From reading the forums it seems our only shot at snow is hitting the deformation zone because of a lack of blocking High. Though some argue that thermal profiles would change with a storm track, the NAM looks remarkably warm and the Canadian and Euro are also far too warm.

Also, is the chance of a locked in High completely out? Because both the NAM and the GFS showed this at one point.

Posted by: bbirnbau | January 22, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

BobMiller2, we cannot post the euro qpf as it proprietary so people have to pay for it from vendors.

bbirnbau, the longer it takes for he storm to evolve the less likely we are to have the high in a good place as we lose the confluence over new england. We probably do need to have a perfect track of the 500h to cash in which is not the likeliest of scenarios. Still there is enough variation in the model forecasts to leave little confidence in any deterministic forecast. Right now I'd bet against the 12ZZ gfs solution

Posted by: wjunker | January 22, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Wes. Yeah sounds like a long shot, but at least it's not some fringe probability on the track of the low like the other busts we've had. I'd rather take my chances on either threading the needle or maybe getting some more cold air than was originally thought, similar to the ice storm the other day.

Posted by: bbirnbau | January 22, 2011 12:13 PM | Report abuse

God, whatever it is, please let it be a little rain and that's all. We have had enough snow (last year) to last a lifetime.

(PS - you folks at CWG do an excellent job)

Posted by: SwellLevel5 | January 22, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm torn on the GFS switch. Part of me was pulling for the pure miller b scenario but the seasonal trend with those things can't be denied so far. I'm the type that would rather not have it rain on fresh snow I guess. Every storm this yr is super tricky.

Posted by: Ian-CapitalWeatherGang | January 22, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Given all the snowflops this winter, I won't believe any of it, until documented evidence from a Cleveland Park video snow shoot is posting that shows snow falling and accumulating. Snow sculpture photos from Falls Church would seal the deal.

Speaking of seals, I wonder if Ivan will be posting a snow seal. Last year we had a seal shark, but how about a real seal?

Posted by: JerryFloyd1 | January 22, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm torn on the GFS switch. Part of me was pulling for the pure miller b scenario but the seasonal trend with those things can't be denied so far. I'm the type that would rather not have it rain on fresh snow I guess. Every storm this yr is super tricky.

Posted by: Ian-CapitalWeatherGang | January 22, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I agree. I would have rather seen the Miller B chances despite the issues we've had so far this year. I think that just because we have had tracking problems people are skeptical of them, but I honestly see way more temp problems with this than there would have been in the Miller B situation.

Posted by: bbirnbau | January 22, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse

bbirnbau, yes I think the GFS scenario may have been our best chance to see mostly snow if it were to have held. That said, those types of storms don't work well most years and not just this one, so it is a dilemma. We just need a lot to go 'perfect' to come out of the big coastal low with super happy snowlovers.

Posted by: Ian-CapitalWeatherGang | January 22, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

frontieradjust, I think I get where you are coming from. In most cases it means the same thing as upper 20s to low 30s. However, the reasoning is I would expect a 30 or 31 potentially, but probably not a 33.

Posted by: Ian-CapitalWeatherGang | January 22, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse


so are you saying that pretty much wraps it up and our snow chances have diminished to just about nil?

Posted by: luvhh | January 22, 2011 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Will this afternoon's post further feed the far-in-future flake forecast frenzy?

Posted by: FIREDRAGON47 | January 22, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

luvhh, no. If the big coastal idea is the idea then it should be a pretty dynamic storm. I think it probably favors a warmer solution around here till well west but I'd be hopeful still to see snow either to start or finish or both. It could still be snowier too.

Posted by: Ian-CapitalWeatherGang | January 22, 2011 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm in the same camp as Ian, most likely this is a snow to rain event but it could also end as rain. There is still an outside chance of a snowy solution coming down the pike but I think that's less likely than something more in line with the 00Z euro. Jason will be post something on the threat once he see;s the euro.

Posted by: wjunker | January 22, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I meant to say could end as snow in the precious post.

Posted by: wjunker | January 22, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Snow lovers are weird

Posted by: fakedude2 | January 22, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse


Snow-phobes are weird.

Posted by: BobMiller2 | January 22, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm reading through the Parade magazine for this week. In the Intelligence Report there's a long paragraph about a snow sculptor. Today is one of our colder days but I like his quote "There's no such thing as bad weather, only inappropriate clothing."

Posted by: marathoner | January 22, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

The 12Z euro made a big jump east, not as far east as the gfs but one that probalby would keep us cold enough for snow in the dc area. Again showing how little continuity and predictability there is with this system.

Posted by: wjunker | January 22, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

With that cold high moving offshore to the north of us, you would think some over running precip would take place, at least some light snow possibly changing to freezing rain or rain.

As far as what we get with the main upper system, it's anyone's guess at this point.

Ian, as far as this "upper 20's to near 30" is concerned, wouldn't it more economical word wise to just say "near 30" That should cover you for everything from 28 to 32. Maybe it's just me being petty, but that expression is grating to me. Maybe you should take a poll!

Posted by: frontieradjust | January 22, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Wes, and all, I'm holding off on buying tickets to a show I want to see on Tuesday, so I'm counting on ya'll (or younz, if one is a Stillers fan) to nail it.

Just listening to the weather forecast for Athens, Ga. Sounds like a close one there on Monday. Maybe snow to rain.

Posted by: JerryFloyd1 | January 22, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I love Wes but I am beginning to think that he is the Capital Weather Gang equivalent to buying a snow blower in anticipation of a bad never seems to materialize!

Wes, make this storm happen and do it for my kids!

Posted by: authorofpoetry | January 22, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Euro did go east but still pretty warm at the surface at least verbatim.

Posted by: Ian-CapitalWeatherGang | January 22, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

New post coming in a few minutes. Just finishing up.

Posted by: Jason-CapitalWeatherGang | January 22, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

If D.C. doesn't get more than 3 inches of snow out of this storm, i am packing the bags and moving to colorado. i can't take this anymore.

Posted by: SNOWLUVER | January 22, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

again.. SNOWLUVER took the words right out of my mouth

Posted by: SnowDreamer | January 22, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Again, it's timing...Tuesday evening is my WORST possible scenario...Debra Sternberg says "THE CLARENDON BALLROOM NEVER CANCELS A DANCE"[!]...What could happen...the band doesn't come or is called off, [this is supposed to be the first time for a new band!], the dance goes on as a "DJ dance", and only fifteen or so people are there due to the nasty weather...they won't drive in to attend the dance.

On Tuesday evening, a complete miss or an all-rain event would be preferable over snow or a wintry mix. If a Tuesday-evening snowstorm is THAT desirable, please schedule it for Feb. 1/2...the Clarendon Ballroom has cancelled our swing dance and dance class for a "private event" that evening!

Posted by: Bombo47jea | January 22, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Snow at OBX:

Amazing! They are going to have more snow than D.C.!

Posted by: greg2010 | January 22, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

SNOWLUVER - That's why I moved to Buffalo, NY after living in Alexandria for 5 years. My job had a opening there and I took it. I do not regret it at all. I am in snow heaven - Got a few inches yesterday, an inch today, and may get 2-4 tonight. It seems like every other day a band of snow comes across the lake and we get a few inches.

Posted by: dave67 | January 22, 2011 6:32 PM | Report abuse

do any of you snow lovers have children in school. Do you have children whose only nonsick days are snow days? Or a parent on dialysis who needs to get to the hospital?Sure, if we all lived in Buffalo like dave67, we might be able to cope with it a lot better than we can here.

Posted by: summerlover | January 22, 2011 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frontieradjust: "I never liked the expression "upper 20's to near 30". Upper twenties is near 30. I never heard that expression until maybe 10 years ago, now every meteorologist says it."

Most people interpret that expression to mean 27-29 degrees. As 25-26 is "mid-20's" , and 26-29 is "upper 20's", when one qualifies the latter with "near 30" then it's the upper range within that tangent. Similar in the concept behind directional idioms like "North by North West", for example, which means the compass point that is midway between north and northwest.

As to those living in Buffalo, NY and points north and east, such as SNOWLUVER, you're town is more apt to manage snow and ice because your local climate and experience dictate the proper budget and manpower. Which is a polite way of saying those here in the mid-Atlantic and points south often suffer more from ill-prepared local governments than anything else.

Posted by: JimGoldbloomVA | January 23, 2011 1:40 AM | Report abuse

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