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How Rove Hopes to Avoid Capitol Hill

Now that Karl Rove has announced his plans to leave the White House, it's never too soon to look at the legal fallout from his decision.

Rove, President Bush's top political adviser for more than 12 years, could be held in contempt of Congress for his refusal to appear before the Senate Judiciary Committee Aug. 2 about his role in the plans to fire nine U.S. attorneys last year. In this story for about Rove's legal perils, Capitol Briefing spoke to three different legal experts on what's next for Rove and came away with three slightly different answers.

The critical question is now whether Rove's resignation will more it any more likely that he will appear on Capitol Hill to answer questions about the scandal or any of the off-shoot investigations spawned by the U.S. attorneys investigation.

The short answer is no. But Capitol Briefing will lay out the nuances of this argument from three different experts, starting with the good news for Rove and his allies and ending with the good news for those who see Rove behind every thing wrong with this administration.

NO WAY, JOSE: "He's too close to the king. This is the guy who's the king's alter ego. I just don't see (Democrats) ever splitting Rove off," said Stanley Brand, the House general counsel in the early 1980s who is now a top criminal defense attorney in Washington. Brand said the White House's claim of executive privilege with regard to Rove's testimony will stand even after he leaves the West Wing at the end of the month, because the claim is weighted in actions taken while working for President Bush.

The only way Rove would testify is if he were to change his own mind and decide to defy the White House's privilege claim, which Brand believes will never occur because of Rove's loyalty to the president. That leaves Democrats stuck trying to pursue a contempt charge against Rove to compel his testimony, but the Justice Department has already said it will not allow its federal prosecutors to take up a criminal contempt proceeding because it believes the privilege claim is valid. "Legally, I don't know how this gets to court," Brand said.

IN DIFFERENT TIMES, MAYBE: Louis Fisher, the separation-of-powers expert at the Congressional Research Service, believes that there is some potential for further investigations on Capitol Hill to reveal details that would make the privilege claim weaker. "You'd have to get some illegality," Fisher said. A new revelation that showed the prosecutor firings crossed the legal line would dramatically weaken the argument that his testimony should be shielded, Fisher said. Even if the Justice Department refuses to prosecute the contempt charge, a deepening scandal that is clearly into criminal territory eats away at the legal foundations of the claim and, more importantly, increases the political pressure on the White House and Rove to make accommodations.

THERE'S ALWAYS NEXT YEAR: But Charles Tiefer, a former congressional counsel who is now law professor at the University of Baltimore, believes that Rove's testimony is increasingly likely. The legal underpinnings of the privilege claim will be no different, Tiefer said, but the reality is that many former White House advisers have come up to Capitol Hill after their tenure is over.

He pointed to former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and former national security aide Oliver North for first refusing to testify about their White House work (Kissinger under President Nixon and North under President Reagan), but both of whom ended up appearing before congressional committees once they left office.

"He no longer can say an appearance would compromise his ongoing White House duties," Tiefer said of Rove's claim. "It becomes more and more untenable for him to refuse to show up."

Democrats could also command his appearance on smaller areas of consideration, such as the political briefings at the General Services Administration, State Department and other agencies. Current and former White House staff have already answered questions on Capitol Hill about those matters. "Now there's suddenly a much greater possibility that he could be called to testify about narrow areas," Tiefer said, predicting he will ultimately have to appear. "It's going to take some softening up, but yes, over time, he will appear."

By Paul Kane  |  August 13, 2007; 4:40 PM ET
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Karl Rove has one hell of a legacy. He has polarized America more than anyone in my 50+ years of watching the shennanigans in DC. He has been Machiavelian in lust for influence and he will leave America weaker, less democratic, friendlier for mega business and harsher for working class folks. It is my ardent hope that our legislators hound him into his grave!

Posted by: Jeff Tuttle | August 13, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

It is very interesting that the propaganda 'meister' is leaving at this point in time. Are we on a sinking ship while the rats flee to their repective tax havens around the world?

This country has a lot of thinking and acting to catch up on.

Posted by: Tim Watkins | August 13, 2007 6:14 PM | Report abuse

You actually think that the Dems WANT Rover to testify?
You don't think it better serves their electoral purposes to simply paint him as a power mad Svengali who's corrupted an entire political party with his machinations and leave it at that? If he gets up there and starts answering questions he might appear...rational. How does that help the Dems expand their power in the US government (and as a result, expand their access to all that tasty graft the corporations and moneyed interests that actually own the federal government offer to their pet power brokers)?
Keep your eye on the ball, Paul. The politicians are not hard to understand. They only want two things. They want to expand their personal power and once that's acheive, they want to sell that power to the highest bidder. Anything that doesn't serve those purposes is wasted motion as far as they are concerned.

Posted by: Dijetlo | August 13, 2007 6:32 PM | Report abuse

For me the measure of accountability "under God" is that in the end, thruthful judment of what was will become realized for all including the like of Mr Rove. On earth he can find many who will avoid their responsibilities by giving him comfort and protection with their ignorance.
Its not up to me, but after his life runs its course, he will enjoy no such comfort and protection. Living his life like he has shows the contempt he harbors for our Father - his everafter could very well be, as they say, Hell.

Posted by: Paul Hampton | August 13, 2007 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Dijetlo says-
"You actually think that the Dems WANT Rover to testify?
You don't think it better serves their electoral purposes to simply paint him as a power mad Svengali who's corrupted an entire political party with his machinations and leave it at that?"


They want to paint him as a power mad Svengali who's corrupted an entire political party with his machinations and broke the law doing it. They want to know wtf happened to the disappearing/reappearing/privledged emails, and who put the prosecutor's names on the list. Keep your eye on the ball, Dijetlo, theres more to the world than the cynical view through the keyhole of your mental prison reveals.

Posted by: Patrick Huss | August 13, 2007 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove was a political strategist that left this country more divided and increased the power of speical interests. It is time for Americans to demand a new administration and president that will be able to bring back true values and put aside all political gains. As one of the nation that has pledge to fulfill the goals of Millennium Development Project, whose goal is the elimination of world hunger and poverty, this administration has not shown any substantial action to bring this fundamental problem to a stop. According to the Borgen Project, dedicated to fighting and ending Poverty around the world, only $19 billion dollars are needed annually to stop world wide poverty, hunger and malnutrition. However, more than $340 billion dollars has been poured into this "war on terror." And each year, our country has a military budge of $522 billion dollars. It's time for a new leader who will be addressing an issue that affects 1.2 billion people everyday worldwide.

Posted by: Mstessyrue | August 13, 2007 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove is a criminal who has yet to be indicted. It doesn't matter if you're talking about the CIA leak case, the U.S. Attorney firings, or the run-up to the Iraq War (which was criminal in its presentation by the White House Iraq Group). This man was the mastermind behind more shenanigans in Washington DC than anyone with the possible exception of Jack Abramoff and Dick Cheney. I STILL hope that after everything is said and done that he does the perp walk, whether it's from the White House or his home. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Posted by: THE SHADOWDRAGON | August 13, 2007 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove and George W. have lived in green-lawned mansions for so long they think running the country is some kind of big "high school football game in the sky." They're totally insulated from the real world. We already know what Rove did in the White House. The Congress should move onto more productive work. The Washington D.C. toilet handle will flush soon enough.

Posted by: Dave Morgan | August 14, 2007 3:23 AM | Report abuse

Good riddance.
The man knows the administration is winding down and he's jumping ship. The better to make his fortune as they say. It's all about money. I love it when someone who has been working in the white house for 7 years says he wants to "spend more time" with his family. If all were going well, he would not have resigned. Good bye to bad rubbish.

Posted by: yes, I'm a Dem | August 14, 2007 6:32 AM | Report abuse

Whatever he thinks of himself, Karl's Rove's impact on the country marks him as an evil man. The full scope of his activities needs to be exposed and the man reviled.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2007 7:02 AM | Report abuse

Rove gave the Bush Pioneers exactly what they wanted. Mission Accomplished.

opensecrets dot org/2000elect/other/bush/pioneer dot asp

tpj dot org/pioneers/icon_index dot html

sourcewatch dot org/index dot php?title=Bush's_Rangers

tpj dot org/page_view.jsp?pageid=203

ILoveKarlrove dot com

Posted by: The Boss | August 14, 2007 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Louis Fisher, the separation of powers expert, left the Congressional Research Service a year or so ago following a conflict with management. Their loss. He is now at the Law Library of Congress.

Posted by: SA | August 14, 2007 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Rove is being sent out ahead of Georgie boy to the Bush family ranch in Paraguay to make sure everything is ready for the Bush, the Dick, Condosleeza, Rummy, and the rest of the war criminals in the administration. It is a page from Grandpa Prescot's friends' books on the behavior of war profiteers and the leaders of fallen regimes. Prescots friends and customers from Nazi Germany all fled to South America to hide after the war was over. This is different only in as much as it looks like the American people and the Democrats are willing to look the other way while the treasury has been emptied, huge debts have been run up, thousands of American and hundreds of thousans of Iraqi and Afgani lifes have been snuffed out.

The Democrats are spineless to stand up against this evil regime. First among them are Hillary and Obama who are in a position to ask the hard questions and get the investigations started but do nothing. If they do not take the lead now why are we all stupid enough to think they will do anything different if they were elected to the White House?

It is time for real change in Washington. The power weasles in the administration have been lurking in the shadows since Nixon was tossed out just waiting for their chance. It is time to vote in someone like Richardson or better an independent from outside the usual gang.


Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

It would be nice if the law was the same for the rich and poor; but it is not. Rove will never speak a word of the truth to anyone, that is just what the Corporative State wants. As long as this country is run by the 1% of the wealthiest, all that is going to happen is there will be some problem blown up to distract the masses,and it will make sure that it gets the "Almost Making It's" fighting with the "I Got Me Some". If people think any thing is going to change, ask yourself if I had a month off with pay every year,health care I don't have to pay for, and when I leave this job there is always another at more money; (THINK TANK, ADVISOR,WORLD BANK,LOBBYIST, BOARD MEMBER, hell a BOOK DEAL. No Rove will not have to say one word, the world will go on. Think about it, is the court is going to do something,maybe. Although is there a juitice dept.

Posted by: Bradley Johnson | August 14, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I know I'm not alone. I want him in court, on the stand and then in Jail. The parallels to the fall of the Fascists in Europe are fascinating. Let's all watch where they run to.

Posted by: thebobbob | August 14, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove has been referred to as a "genius" by many but it's tragic that his intelligence and powers were combined with the likes of Pres. Bush, Cheney and the other cronies in the administration.Did Rove inspire the politicians or did the politicians inspire Rove. I just hope all this "genius" crap doesn't go to his head.

Posted by: disclosure | August 14, 2007 7:12 PM | Report abuse

my only regret is I won't be here in 50 yrs. to see this all come out.And I know I'm not going where they are going.
Let's see how much power they have in "hell".

Posted by: smedley | August 14, 2007 9:12 PM | Report abuse

my only regret is I won't be here in 50 yrs. to see this all come out.And I know I'm not going where they are going.
Let's see how much power they have in "hell".

Posted by: smedley | August 14, 2007 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Something tells me his name will be on the "ELITE" roster of SPP, or NAU, along with some other very Familiar names.

Posted by: xnylady | August 15, 2007 3:11 AM | Report abuse

The question you should ask your experts:
Does Bush's assertion of executive or other privilege bind his successor? Could the next President expose Rove et al. to Congress's oversight by withdrawing Bush's claims of privilege?

Posted by: GBecker | August 16, 2007 5:06 AM | Report abuse

1. If a 51% was actual strategy by Rove, he deserves his current exit of "bad strategist" and potential investigation with serious accusations of corrupting our democracy--especially if war is the strategy, that is heinous most of all.

2. The party politics showing as belonging to "brains" attributed to Rove and others who play power and grabs (such as 51%) instead of principle, Constitutional Reality of good balance of three branches with the good of the people and the country as the object--politics is supposed to serve the garnering of leadership, demonstrated, not corruption and sleeze and sneaky underhanded strategy of what will capture votes at a 51% win. Horrific ugly "two boxes of evil" and the nastiness associated with it.

3. The debates should be able to bring that principled reality of representing the public and the people at an integrity and worthy public policy principle for the best government as representative at a BESt level, not cynical undermining leadership level--non-partisan assumes that competition nets the best, and the real winner wins, not strategy that doesn't get the truth from the voters.

4. What is the reality of Rove? Bush's brains is the reputation. So, can he continue without Rove? Are they indeed twins, and both actually unpopular, or is Bush a true puppet? Incompetent? No actual leadership that can win? Claims of winning when no such picture is drawn at all. No vision of good result or outcome in the means of red ink? How in the world does Rove have the gall to forecast Iraq "win" that is NOT OURS TO WIN....that is one of the biggest and strangest claims that defies the proper view of U.S. Presidential leadership and peace and government for the United States with peace in the future for our global harmony and well being.

A real candidate offers what is supposed to be as a simple fact.

Nader did that, and was pre-empted by supposed entrenched party politics. Sleeze should not have such power. Is this the Rove architecture?

Yes, we want the clarity of this exit, and yes, likely we will get it.

So, "good riddance" (I did not want Bush and found his ability to take office as a leader of a major political party astonishing...war is obsolete, and our independence was declared long ago, and the current warfare has no apparent cause or reason...goodbye, yes. They say that is not Roves, possibly true. And, Bush knows now, his war is not America's, maybe true. And the leaving also, shortly, down the same road...may not mean 1.5 years, may mean the proper perspective of what ought to be true leadership for a world with sovereign countries...will have more reality, and cynical use of politics will get replaced properly.

The media can ask Bush, what he meant, ...will be following you shortly down the same road....

Resigning too, first the strategy as not wanted, a divided nation at 51% not a true win for America at all....


next the President of the 51%, with his own truth of warmongering as his view of how to deal with conflicts...when diplomacy was needed....war unpopular, if Bush believes that is his new reckoning....losing his strategy and having to face what he is responsible for, the Iraq War is indeed that...

and the sleezy politics should get "independence" we are not stuck with status quo in any true democracy...people can vote the best no matter what party...independent is supposed to be viable if the strongest offering...the media was corrupt in their priorities...this too must be faced.

Statistically, as Nader said in 2004, "this country does not belong to two parties"

the numbers prove it...registration statistics show it...24 states do not have any party when people register...however, I find the 26 who allow it, helpful for this point to be made, allowing free "identification" without any candidate endorsement, the statistics showed 35.5M democrats, 25.5 Republicans and 15.5 Other...and the liklihood of people choosing other when the media focuses on what is important, not party, but the principles, and the right stuff might happen, including the death of the two parties as having been usurping the best interests of the majority and the truth of the constitutionally provided government meant to represent, not rule--at the best, not the lesser of two evils...good belongs in government, not greed and power.

Posted by: liza ellis | August 16, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

His imposed "exit" is exactly the definition of they're "cut and run" term they seem to be so proud of using.
There isn,t a noose high enough to hang this bunch of traitors.I never thought I'd live to see the day when America became the armpit and anus of the world.

Posted by: phred | August 16, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse

The entire cabinet are traitors!
The ones who take more credit and have more influence in the white house need to pay the penalty.

But in this case the bottom line is, all off them need to be brought to trial, even the less significant ones.

The country needs to learn a lesson.
And the lesson is either democracy stands or it falls.

If it's going to fall, then we need the ones who got paid and had the biggest influence in managing it to fall first.

OUR COUNTRY IS NOT A JOKE and we need to take these people and there crimes very seriously.

In fact after we hang them and throw the rest in jail, we need to have a national day of morning just for the thieves that thought they could rob the American people.

Nothing less will be a great rally call for a better USA. No thieves welcome!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 17, 2007 2:47 AM | Report abuse

Our Country has seen bad times before and it WILL pass. I do feel that all of us, those who believe republican, those who believe democrat and those who believe independent has seen how UNRESTRAINED power can cause such "injury" to our Country and its CITIZENS. It seems that we, as a NATION, have forgotten the three most important words of our Declaration of Independence "WE, THE PEOPLE".
We have allowed outselves to be "suckered" by self-serving, power hungry, in it for ourselves, career politicians. We forget we have Term Limits built into the Constitution and at the first inkling of Greed, Corruption, Self-serving, by ANY member of the House, Senate OUT THAT PERSON SHOULD GO at the next election. We should ALL DEMAND from our ELECTED officials a Constitutional amendment that can require a National referendum vote on ANY ELECTED or APPOINTED HIGH FEDERAL OFFICIAL (down to 4 layers below the top Appointed official of a particular department/agency)as to removing that person from his/her office because of improper, unlawful, illegal actions OR Politizing that office/agency. ALL Federal offices, agencies are supposed to be or were established to ASSIST/HELP the CITIZENS of our Country, NOT TO BE the personal fiedom of a particular individual or political entity.
Under NO circumstances should "WE, THE PEOPLE" allow political "Hacks" to be allowed to serve IN ANY part of OUR government IN ANY POSITION. Nor should that political "hack" be allowed to access by person, e-mail, telephone, mail, or any other communication method that we might not be aware of in this day and age or the future, the various offices or agencies of OUR GOVERNMENT in their political capacity. They could address OUR GOVERNMENT as a PRIVATE, NON-POLITICAL CITIZEN like the rest of us.
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES should "WE, THE PEOPLE" allow ANY President or Vice-President to appoint to ANY Federal office/agency or position anyone who is from a business or corporation that does business with that office/agency.
All conflict of interest issues need to be ENDED for all times.
Then maybe, just maybe, we might be able to start getting OUR government back to "WE, THE PEOPLE".
Thank you

Posted by: J-Lynn | August 17, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

"But Capitol Briefing will lay out the nuances of this argument from three different experts, starting with the good news for Rove and his allies and ending with the good news for those who see Rove behind every thing wrong with this administration."

Yep, because those are the two sides to this debate: Rove and his allies, versus those unhinged moon-bats on the left who think he's responsible for global warming.

If you weren't such a smug knee-jerk corporate media dip-slice, you'd have written something like "good news for Rove...good news for those who'd like to see a Congressional subpoena mean more than a soiled half-square of toilet paper."

Of course, that would deviate from the most conventional of the conventional wisdom--so of course, you couldn't possibly understand.

Posted by: ibc | August 17, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I am ashamed of Congress, Bush bark order's & they crumble.When Karl Rove didn't show up on the Hill, they should have gone too the White House & snatched him up with hand-cuffs!The Hill has a jail, and ALL of them should be in it, better yet, send them to the "secret prision" overseas, or Gitmo, they'd love Gonzo.Karl Rove has tried to Destroy Our Country & he should pay for it.But since he wont, we should throw out ALL the pukes who backed this Regime! We can get rid of the Roves, Bush's, Cheney's, Rice's,Gonzo's, and those people who "spy" on us Illegally. Come November 08,we will put into Office someone we can trust, because we have learn a lesson the hard way, you can NEVER Trust a Republican again.They kill our children for Oil,Every thing this Regime has done, has been against Americans. Wake up America! Congress needs to grow a back bone ASAP, put these Traitors away! If I never see another Bush/Clinton President, it would be a blessing, I'm sick of those Families in My White House!

Posted by: vcp820 | August 17, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Please delete the porno links!

Posted by: china | August 17, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

If the Bush administration was HALF as "fascist" as you people are all screaming, you'd all be in jail right now. Your continued ability to rant freely disproves you.

Posted by: adr | August 17, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"Let's see how much power they have in "hell"."

"Karl Rove and George W. have lived in green-lawned mansions for so long they think running the country is some kind of big "high school football game in the sky.""


Wow...there sure are a lot of crazies out there. The person whose posting the porn sites is probably about the sanest person posting on this.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 17, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Someone suggested in a blog yesterday that there are upcoming revelations concerning Rove's sexual preferences as well as new revelations concerning illegalities, prompting Rove to resign. If so, these disclosures would certainly be news considering Rove's self-identification with the far right hypocritical "righteous" warmongers. However titilating though, the innuendos are themselves hypocritical unless proof is revealed as well. I'm all for removing Rove/Gonzales/Cheney/Bush from power and any remaining respect. But under the auspices of the U.S. Congress, not the rumor mill.

Posted by: NewBostonYankee | August 17, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Pres.Bush holds years of judgements in his hands when he appoints justices to the high court- to take away women's rights
he has yet to offer a solution to the care and upbringing of the babies. Is he going to build orphanages and pay the cost and then worry about how unwanted kids turn out?
Maybe the Christian followers should ask him for an explanation.

Posted by: Viola Gerlitz | August 18, 2007 3:11 AM | Report abuse

Pres.Bush holds years of judgements in his hands when he appoints justices to the high court- to take away women's rights
he has yet to offer a solution to the care and upbringing of the babies. Is he going to build orphanages and pay the cost and then worry about how unwanted kids turn out?
Maybe the Christian followers should ask him for an explanation.

Posted by: Viola Gerlitz | August 18, 2007 3:11 AM | Report abuse

King Karl was a divisive operative in a Fascist regime! First of all, the repukes and their neo-conartists committed grand theft voter fraud to steal the 2000 election. They then lied about Iraq and got the hon. Collin Powell to lie along with them! They were more arrogant and obnoxious than the Democrats have ever been! The party is racist, intolerant, morally bankrupt, and downright divisive, but other than that they are good people if you are looking for a lynch mob!

Posted by: Dirty Rider | August 18, 2007 8:42 PM | Report abuse

I am amazed at how much passion this blog generates! Such passion would become a real factor if more "ordinary" (typically apolitical) Americans took an active position. But it's very unlikely to happen.

This government team will probably take us all into yet another aggressive war before they go. What's to stop them? Certainly not "we the people."

Posted by: hellelmer | August 19, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Well, New Boston Yankee, your wish is about to be fulfilled. In Florida, after reading about the emails for Voter caging in Florida areas and Ohio, US Senator Nelson has asked for an investigation into Mr. DOJ Kansas Graves, newly appointed Rove atty appointee who's emails were sent to Greg Palast from 2 years ago.

The whole Jacksonville NAACP said in 2002-4, the arguments were heated about removing blacks from the voter rolls by sending certified mail. if it wasnt signed for at the Post office, a black man's name was removed from voting polls. His vote would have to be paper balloted, which was later called to be "spoiled" and refused to be counted. this also happened in Ohio. The voter records were destroyed by the old Bush chairman party elections supervisor. The new Supervisor of elections for the state has asked for an inverstigation. A lawsuit was pending from over a year ago. Evidence was destroyed.

Even the Republican Sec of Elections in Jax Fla got a suprise when the Miami herald and other news organizations did a record request. It was Military personell who's votes were wripped off the polls. These men were not felons either. They represented our military.

According to the research I did with Tom Flocco,, there are alot of fired and DEAD DOJ attys Gonzales fired that were investigating Texas Companies nationwide. Tenet and Novation healthcare, El Paso Gas, AIG and RE Insurance and Reciprocal of America. those investigations were shut down after Gonzales fired the current prosecutors after firing.

To be continued. Senator Feinstein is on a ROVE GONZLAES HUNT.

Posted by: theloneconsumer | August 19, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

The rantings and b*tching of these folks is both hilarious and idiotic! Karl Rove - arguably the greatest political strategist of our time - is certainly not the sole blame of an incompatent and ignorant President. Mr. ROve's proposals of immigration and education reform were right on point not to mention his SS privitization plan that was even supported by many "Dumb-ASS" Dems including your saviour Bill "Tricky D*ck" Clinton. What exactly has this Democratically controlled Congress actually accomplished or done since January...ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! After Pelosi's first 100 hour hype we have seen nothing significant coming out of Congress except a bunch of finger pointing and name calling! You're NOT getting Karl to testify so you can rant and rave about nothing to boost your ratings for '08 so get over it and move on! This Country faces greater and more urgent crisis and problems then some damn fired Attorney Generals or Justices! Really how many of you actually know the people that were terminated? And why don't we hear these individuals making any fuss about it? I mean it was their jobs! GET OVER IT!

Posted by: Jr. Architect | August 22, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Re. Jr. Architect|Aug 22,07| Your remarks about the outgoing Bush adm. underscores one thing the whole Europe midia has been asking the Americans to tell the World how on the planet earth, Bush was the choice we could come up with?
Today, 8 years now, you Americans gave us fake poll mathmatics to the tune[appeal court] dems+reps = Bush. no constants,no functions,no variables,no logical operators(connectives)no quontifiers. Now you come out to tell us [there was Karl Rove factor] Bush is incompetent, ignorant,unread, and the like.
The damege is done.
Now tell us whether Karl Rove is the only one jumping off the moving vehicle on a highway?
The action here is a traffic crime regardless who and when it is done.First of all the Democrats are our policemen over there, they should catch them as per and when they are seen jumping off the [Kontiki expedition] sinking vessel,now!

Posted by: J. Aliongo | August 22, 2007 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Just suppose Rove has some sorrt of ulterior motive in this mess. Wow! Might be that he has set W up to REALLY take the fall all the way done into the pits of Hell. Too much of a pipedream, but would be a hoot to warch it play out, if we dry our tears enough and the destructuion these pigs have committed in our own country; really do wish some of them wouos spill all the dirt!

Posted by: paula | August 23, 2007 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone considered that this is all just a ploy to take America down to the status of a Banana Republic.
We're short on Military Personel.
Bush is spending money in IRAQ like a Drunken Sailor.
Maybe if things continue as they are it will not be long before a huge military strike will hit the US.
Folks, Russia & China can't be happy we are over there.
We haven't won a war since World War 2 & these little Countries we can't even win in them so what could we do if Russia or China or both started knocking on our door?
Folks, I surely hope that doesn't happen but it's something to think about when U are sitting in front of your computer venting all your rage then the next day going on as usual.
Funny world isn't it?

Posted by: GARY | August 27, 2007 1:04 AM | Report abuse

It is a comfort to know that what goes around, comes around. "Vengeance is mine saith the Lord" is the only thing that helps me to get over my anger towards people like him and the big corporations who control my country and are responsible for its demise all in the name of globalization, terrorization, and anything else to keep our ignorant in a constant state of fear, confusion and poverty.

Posted by: swtexas | August 27, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

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