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Pelosi Accuses CIA of 'Misleading' Her on Interrogations

By Paul Kane
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi today accused the CIA of "misleading" her on the use of harsh interrogation techniques in the fall of 2002, acknowledging for the first time publicly she knew alleged terrorist detainees were subjected to waterboarding more than six years ago.

Pelosi called for the CIA to release detailed notes from her own September 2002 briefing about interrogation techniques.She said today that, at that 2002 briefing, she was told the CIA was not waterboarding detainees despite later government reports showing that a high value al Qaeda detainee had been subjected to waterboarding 83 times in the weeks leading up to Pelosi's briefing.

"At every step of the way, the administration was misleading the Congress. And that is the issue," Pelosi said in a heated news conference, linking the alleged misinformation on waterboarding to now discredited intelligence reports in fall 2002 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Today was Pelosi's first chance to address the interrogation briefing issue since the CIA released a detailed memo last Thursday outlining 40 congressional briefings given since September 2002 regarding the use of what it calls "enhanced interrogation techniques" on suspected terrorists. That memo included footnotes that appeared to contradict Pelosi's previous statements that she was never personally briefed by Bush administration officials on the use of such tactics, including waterboading, a controversial technique that simulates drowning.

In a statement today, the agency stood by its memo, which said that Pelosi and then-Rep. Porter Goss (R-Fla.), the top members of the intelligence committee at the time, were briefed on Sept. 4, 2002 on the "the use of EITS" on an al Qaeda prisoner. "The language in the chart--'a description of the particular EITs that had been employed'--is true to the language in the Agency's records," a CIA spokesman said.
However, the agency reiterated its pronouncement from last week, when CIA Director Leon Panetta wrote to Congress that agency officials were relying on old "notes that summarized the best recollections of those individuals." Classified memos, with more detailed accounts of those recollection, remain under seal at the agency's Langley, Va., headquarters, where members of the intelligence committees are allowed only to review them.

The agency is reviewing the bipartisan request, from Pelosi and Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.), currently the ranking member of the House intelligence committee, to release the detailed summaries of that particular briefing.

Republicans have accused Pelosi of having full knowledge of the use of waterboarding and of tacitly supporting the program, noting that she never lodged any protest with the CIA about the issue or registered any complaint with Bush White House officials. Hoekstra, at a press briefing after Pelosi's remarks, suggested that every classified briefing he has been a part of ended with intelligence officials asking lawmakers, "Are we OK to move forward on this?"

Last month President Obama released Bush-era Justice Department documents that provided the legal basis for the use of waterboarding and other harsh tactics on detainees, in interrogations that took place in so-called "dark sites" overseas. After the release of the legal memos Pelosi joined other Democrats in calling for a "truth commission" to investigate those legal memos authorizing tactics that critics have said was torture, outlawed by international treaties.

Obama has rejected calls for such a commission, saying it would become a highly politicized issue that would do little to enhance public knowledge. However, the Senate Intelligence Committee is conducting a broad review of the interrogation techniques.
Under pressure from Republicans to address when she learned of waterboarding, Pelosi for several weeks has insisted she was never briefed on the use of waterboarding. She did not point out that in December 2007 she issued a little-noticed statement that said she became aware of waterboarding in February 2003, when she left the intelligence committee to become House minority leader and Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) succeeded her on the panel. Harman was briefed Feb. 5, 2003 about the use of waterboarding and told that tapes existed of the waterboarding of one detainee.

As the Washington Post reported Saturday, Pelosi's top aide on intelligence matters also attended the Harman briefing, a fact that Pelosi omitted from her statements on the issue for the past several years. Today she acknowledged that her aide, Michael Sheehy, subsequently told her about the waterboarding interrogations.

It's unclear if at that time Pelosi also learned that the detainee, Abu Zubaida, had been subjected to the harsh interrogation tactics before her September briefing.
She deflected criticism from Republicans that she did not object to waterboarding by suggesting that she supported Harman. who wrote a letter to the CIA general counsel questioning the techniques and whether President Bush knew of their use.
"That is the proper person to send the letter," Pelosi said, explaining that she was then the House minority leader and was not the "appropriate" person to object to the technique.

"My job was to change the majority in Congress and to change -- to fight to have a new president, because what was happening was not consistent with our values. ... Something that had to be changed. We did that. We have a new president," she said.

By Paul Volpe  |  May 14, 2009; 11:45 AM ET
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Pelosi is a real piece of work. Everyone is to blame except her. She needs to step down now.

Posted by: curious3 | May 14, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

nancy can dissemble all she wants; but there's no getting away from the fact that at the time congress displayed absolutely no concern about the policies the cheney cabal intended to implement -- until their names became embroiled in the lawlessness.

Posted by: mycomment | May 14, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

CIA to Pelosi: Resign or Die

http://www.polmachina.com/?p=215

Posted by: rancho | May 14, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Yes, lets get really upset about who was TOLD about it and not who DID it. This is a circus to take away from the FACT that Bush and Cheney approved torture and will be brought to justice.

So Pelosi may have known. What does that change. That the Dems were complicite. Maybe, but they didnt give the order. The blood is on Bush/Cheney.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | May 14, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Way to go Nancy - you're really entertaining me lately. What version of events will you produce tomorrow?

Posted by: gth1 | May 14, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

This smacks of disingenuousness at the best. She's dogding and shifting blame. I think she's no longer fit to be majority leader.

Posted by: LALUVAH | May 14, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi: I did not find out about waterboarding at that meeting. I never told anyone to lie.

Posted by: buckdharma | May 14, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a liar. She needs to step down now for the better of the country. To think that she is 3rd in line for the Presidency is frightening beyond belief. When is the media going to pursue this?

Posted by: chet_chap | May 14, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Pelosi has been caught in a series of lies and now she continues her misleading statements and denials. Isn't there any limit to how low some politicians will go? And to think that she is third in line for the Presidency! How scary for our country.

Posted by: BrerFox | May 14, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Nance ought to know...who better to comment on misleading people than the leadership of this Congress. BTW tallertapas311, it was water, not blood.

Posted by: 1RLI | May 14, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

If the Republicans think this alone is going to take the blame away from them they are wrong. Pelosi's involvement, one way or another, is not material. What is material is the fact the Bush administration did this in a manner that kept everyone in the dark and actually lied to get things through. One doesn't even have to speak to the fact Republicans made sure of everyone's silence with their "unpatriotic to question Bush campaign" which shrilled out from every corner of the GOP and their henchmen (Faux News). Now to try and C Ones'A with trying to push the blame to Pelosi is laughable.

We were safer after 9/11 because we sent the terrorist targets in our soldiers in Iraq. They didn't need to attack here because Cheney and Bush sent Americans to them. How convenient for the terrorist. Republicans are soulless.

Posted by: hmmmmmer | May 14, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

My god - what is this her fifth or sixth version of her waterboarding truth? She gets a little more pitiful with each passing day and she didn't start out exactly the fount of all honesty.

Posted by: fenoy | May 14, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

You always know when Nancy is not telling the truth because her lips move. This pig needs to resign now.

Posted by: greenman4 | May 14, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

LALUVAH: PELOSI IS SHIFTING THE BLAME!!!

Are you crazy??

The blame is who ORDERED it.

How can we focus all this energy on who knew, but not who ORDERED IT DONE.

This is a DC distraction of the truth. What could Pelosi have done? Complained and be called a terrorist? Bush owned the press at this time.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | May 14, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi and CIA Intelligence in the same sentence is an OXIMORON.

This woman spent tooooo much time on the streets of S F during the 60's, now her mind is showing the effects of all the drugs she enjoyed back then.

Posted by: frankn1 | May 14, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Waterboarding is illegal. Determine who was responsible for its use and then prosecute.

Posted by: Annandale | May 14, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Busted!!!

Posted by: lottaaction | May 14, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

In 2007, the Democrats took over Congress and Pelosi (for who knows why) was named Speaker. At this point the Democrats had the power to ban these so-called acts of torture. In any case, as far back as the period in question, she still had the authority to question the Bush Administrations policies - and as a ranking Committee member took measures to halt it. Yet she did nothing and said nothing. Until the truth came out.

It was once said of Thomas Dewey that he looked liked the groom on the wedding cake. Well, Pelosi reminds me of everyones wacky ex-wife.

Posted by: CubsFan | May 14, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

It takes me on a trip down memory lane to Romney, the elder's, "I was brainwashed on Vietnam."

Posted by: edbyronadams | May 14, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

All those who were in leadership positions in the Democratic party back in 2002 and allowed themselves and the party to be railroaded by Bush and Cheney should resign immediately.

Posted by: Chagasman | May 14, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

So waterboarding doesnt lead to blood 1RL?

You can look away from the pictures released and say it was just water, but your obviously a coward not able to live up to what Bush created. Waterboarding is just one thing we did. We did far worse.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | May 14, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I was so happy when Pelosi first was appointed - another rung in the ladder to break the glass ceiling -- but she has continually embarrassed me. And this story about being misled by CIA is another rung in the ladder down as far as I am concerned. If she is that easily misled, she shouldn't be the leader. I am so angry with her - visiting Iraq? What does Nancy Pelosi add to the discussion by visiting Iraq? Give me a break.

I spent 22 months in Iraq as a civilian working with Iraqi women - her visit to Iraq is insulting.

I am so disgusted with the lack of leadership in our country - and particularly disgusted with people such as Pelosi - phony.

Those Dems or Reps that say they didn't know what was going on should resign -- they were not doing the job that they were being paid to do.

Posted by: flyfisherinCA | May 14, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

Posted by: ca2va1 | May 14, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

What a liar!! Pelosi should just resign.

Posted by: California_Irishman | May 14, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm confused. Nice rack though.

Posted by: Bitter_Bill | May 14, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Bush ordered waterboarding and Pelosi was complicit. She is lying through her teeth. She should step down.

Posted by: JoeMck | May 14, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

This lady has no shame...beyond the pale.

Literally everyone around her was misleading her...Porter Goss, the CIA, her senior staff...heck, i'm sure even Bush and Cheney misled her...how can we weave in Global Warming and Halliburton for the trifecta?

What an absolute joke she is....

Californians need to WAKE UP!

Posted by: capntrips | May 14, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

It sounds like she was brainwashed, oh wait that was a different war.

Posted by: RetiredInterrogator | May 14, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is not lying. I believe her. All I have to do is think of Bush/Cheney and the republican party and that's enough for me. The republican party have ABSOLUTELY NO CREDIBILITY. There will be a full investigation, and Bush and Cheney and the republican party are going down. If Cheney can rat out a CIA agent because her husband said there was not Mustard Gas in Africa when Cheney wanted to use it for the BS invasion in Iraq, I can bet you that they decieved Congress. Remember, were talking about BUSH and CHENEY folks.

Posted by: kubrickstan | May 14, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

You all are simplifying how much the press and Bush would of labeled her a terrorist in 2003. You have short memories. Since when in the Bush years did congress have ANY power, and would CHeney have stopped if Pelosi said so. You give Congress way to much credit in the Bush era of Executive power

Posted by: tallertapas311 | May 14, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

That Pelosi was even elected to public office is an endictement of those who voted for her.

She she is still in office and House Leader is an endictment of us all.

Art Bianconi
Milford, NJ

Posted by: ArtBianconi | May 14, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi is a shameful Speaker of the House and should resign.

Posted by: umhto | May 14, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Its amazing how the Dems just look the other way when their leaders lie and they think they can still nail Bush. When the bomb goes off and everyone is here scratching their heads as to how did we let another attack happen, our own ignorance will be to blame. Guess you didn't see the headless bodies of "their" tortured victimed, that's toture, keep the politicians out of the security business or we're all doomed!!

Posted by: dmadiso | May 14, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

A 'high value detainee' was water-boarded not once, not twice, but 83 times in the month of August? I hold no love for prisoners of war. But semi-drowning a guy 2 to 3 times a day for a month is torture plain and simple. Everyone who knew about this --Repub and Democrat alike-- should be ashamed.

Posted by: TertiumQuid | May 14, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is an indictment of us all Art?

Then what the hell is torture. You have a warped priority system.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | May 14, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

If I am not mistaken, this makes the sixth different story that Mrs. Pelosi has told on this issue. WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE WHEN AT FIRST WE DO DECIEVE" Her conduct is indefensible by any person with the slightest sense of right and wrong. The fact that she is the ranking member of the UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES and cannot tell the truth to save her soul pretty much sums up the problems with the current administration and its lack of moral authority.

Posted by: ROYSTOLL2 | May 14, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Finally the truth comes out, and Demo-traitor-socialist-crats-ocrats will have to ask: WHY didn't the House Minority leader commit treason by leaking classified information about the war on terror, when she knew FULL WELL that Saddam Hussein Obama was spending TARP money to blackmail Chrysler hedge funds into hiding his real birth certificate?! In the FUTURE?!!

Only Glenn Beck has the courage to say NOT COMMITING TREASON is tantamount to TREASON!

Posted by: howlless | May 14, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Do those of you calling for Pelosi to step down seriously think the CIA doesn't lie?

That they don't "fudge" the truth?

And has been pointed out, so what if they DID tell her? SHE's not the one who authorized it, asked for it, or did it.

It is CLEAR that this is Cheney all the way. He is the war criminal here.

Posted by: theRealCalGal | May 14, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is not the real issue Dick Cheney has indicated that our country is less safe today then it has been----he is right but not because of the release of information concerning the enhanced interrogation methods used several years ago. We are less safe today as a direct result of the failed foreign policy of his administration-----instead of finishing the war in Afghanistan against the Taliban and al-Qaida his administration made the fundamental mistake of choosing to invade Iraq where neither the Taliban or al-Qaida existed. This choice required us to pull military resources from Afghanistan to be used in Iraq which has helped create the very situation we,seven years later, find ourselves in today. This "war of choice" in Iraq has given the Taliban and al-Qaida the time to recover and reconstitute itself in Afghanistan and now Pakistan, a country that actually has WMD's the very weapons we were looking to confiscate in Iraq

Posted by: gotch | May 14, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Sur-r-r-re, they misled her.

The only one misleading anybody is Pelosi. She's misled her constituents, the Congress, the American people and herself.

Posted by: waterfrontproperty | May 14, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

"Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire" is the only image of Pelosi that I can feel good about today, or should I say "Burn, Baby, Burn". Maybe the House Democrats will finally see the need to elect a majority leader that has credibility and someone the people can respect.

Posted by: jmeyer4 | May 14, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Of course she was misled!

Have you seen a picture of her lately. Doesn't she look SURPRISED!

Posted by: familynet | May 14, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Yes tallertapas311, I'm a coward. It's almost as if I had been informed about what was going on, failed to act, and am now crying "foul."

Posted by: 1RLI | May 14, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

AARGH! Just imagine, we in California have had to put up with her for years! Yep we're stupid enough to keep re-electing her.

Posted by: Krelgh | May 14, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a dirty uber liberal liar. There is no other way to put it. She has not a shred of credibility left and should step down or be taken down for incompetance.
Pelosi KNEW and thought she was going to spin this episode to her advantage. How dispicable she is.
Let her go work with her illegal alien buddies.

Posted by: mlemac | May 14, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm not registered with either party. This now not about who ordered it or when did she know. It is again about how she lies and shades the truth with half truths. She should not be the Dems leader and not third in line for the presidency. Please make a change dems. Now you are not seeing what is obvious just like the repubs didn't/don't see what needs to be done. She hurts the dems.

Posted by: llj2 | May 14, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

If anyone beleives the dribble that comes from Nancy Pelosi, I'll sell them my share of the Brooklyn Bridge.

Posted by: alshumate | May 14, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Is there anybody who truly understands what really went on? NO! Is the way the GOP and Bush handled anyone who was against them even thought about here? Bush and the henchman took every opportunity possible to label any one that took any opposite view and unAmerican and sympathetic to terrorism. Only only need listen to Faux News during that time to understand how corrupt the media and the Bush administration were.

Posted by: hmmmmmer | May 14, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

To those of you who are criticizing Nancy now I can say in her defense that she is not Dennis Hassert or any of the other Republicans that have been Speaker until recently. Pelosi is a hundred times better than Mr. Hassert and the Democratic Congress, as ineffective as it is, is still a heck of a lot better than the Republican Congress it replaced.

When I read some of the comments from some of you mentally challenged I can understand why this country is in such sad shape today. My guess is that someone like curious probably voted for George W. Bush not once but twice. As far as I am concerned any hint of support for the Republicans that got us into this mess indicates that your opinion is worthless.

Posted by: nyrunner101 | May 14, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Democrats like pelosi are the gift that just keeps giving...it's GREAT when they're in power...they do more to harm themselves than Republicans do to help themselves.

please, someone give her the mike...let her speak! tell us what you believe, nancy. Then America will see the complete lack of leadership abilities our "leaders" have and we can get to the business of throwing them - all of them - out...including the weak republicans.

love,
Starkist tuna lover

Posted by: capntrips | May 14, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

How many more times is she going to change her story?

If they were so convinced (which I'm still not, regardless that BHO says so) that this was tortue back then, they should've blown the whistle. But they didn't.

They were cowards then, and they're cowards now.

Posted by: wearedoomed1 | May 14, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

God...when is everyone going to grow up?..Bush/Cheney are still the guilty party...remember....a majority of you went along with them also....brainwashed and closed mouthed. Jinny Lee

Posted by: blueberi | May 14, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

The right has nothing on Obama that will stick, so they go after the boogeyman of Pelosi.

This reeks of desperation.

Bush authorized it
Cheney monitored it
Both lied about it
Torture didnt work
They created memos that said it did
Lied about going to Iraq


BUT PELOSI MAY HAVE HEARD ABOUT IT AND THAT IS WHAT IS UPSETTING?

Torture is wrong. Remember what FOX News anchor said: "THIS IS AMERICA, WE DONT NOT F-ing TORTURE."
And thats FOX@!!!!

Posted by: tallertapas311 | May 14, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Ok let’s think this through…. First of all why would Pelsi deny being briefed if she had. She could always say she could do nothing because she was in the minority and could not disclose what happened at the top secret briefing no big deal. So there was really nothing to gain by saying she was not briefed except to appease the far left and she has proven herself much to pragmatic to do that.

What is different now is we do not have Gonzo at the Justice Department to run cover for Cheney. If that information had the info left out of this briefing to then it is time for Justice to depose the person conducting the briefing. I am sure that person is not going do twenty years to protect Cheney.

Now we know why Cheney who is very good at keeping his mouth shut has had diarrhea of the mouth lately.

Posted by: bradcpa | May 14, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Deja Vu - all over again. The last time we went down this primrose path it all started with "I did not have sex with that woman."

Posted by: qasas00 | May 14, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Hate to point this out, but the " what did they know and when did they know it" is a prime Democrat line. Congress does have oversight and Ms. Polosi as then minority leader had the info. She chose not to act on it. She knew, so the problem is when she and others on the Democratic side of the house claim it was news to them and they would have STOPPED it if they could is all crap!

Given that waterboarding does not do perminent harm, I'm not sure it qualifies as torture.

The idea is to make the person being interogated believe that the pain and suffering he or she will endure is not worth the effort to keep information from those doing the interogation.

I think beheading might be a form of torture.

Posted by: RichardBunn | May 14, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

This is a laugh riot.. Democrats are trying to nail Bush and Cheney but it's Pelosi who is caught lying and looks like the biggest idiot... Nice going Dems...

Posted by: sovine08 | May 14, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Busted!!!....AGAIN????

Posted by: jfmensr | May 14, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is lying, pure and simple. She knew about the waterboarding and more, but raised no objection. She should step down as Speaker of the House. I'm a Democrat but this is case in which the country would be better off. We don't a Speaker who would lie about such an important national policy and moral matter. And we do need a Speaker who is more in the mainstream of the Democratic Party that is Pelosi. Do the decent thing, Nancy, and step down.

Posted by: Bob22003 | May 14, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

The "Blood and Blame," if there is any, may be on the Bush Administration, but the hypocracy is all Pelosi and the Democrats. I would rather disagree with your policies than not be able to trust your words.

Posted by: groth718 | May 14, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Wow! She read a statement prepared for her by a lawyer, and she read it, but she had no idea what it said! She couldn't answer one question about the statement without stumbling to find the words in the document!
If she truly lived these briefings, she would have an idea of how to answer questions!

Resign Nancy and stop embarrassing yourself and your party!

Posted by: hotdad14 | May 14, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

am i the only person who thinks this entire "torture" debate is baloney? this country no longer has the stomach to do what is needed to protect this country and its ideals. WWII would have been a lost cause today. We should be focusing on the real issues: fiscal responsibility (or lack there of), augmenting business (large and small), etc ... this kind of stuff seems to me to be a distraction from the nation's real problems and apparent inability to solve them. Ugh.

Posted by: adin709 | May 14, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Beheading is MURDER.

You would probably say John McCain wasnt tortured. Richard Bunn would you?

When other countries waterboard, everyone including us call it torture.

You sound like a idiot with rationel like that

Posted by: tallertapas311 | May 14, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Busted!!!....AGAIN????....OH yeah!

Posted by: jfmensr | May 14, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

This is the third in line to the Presidency speaking?? We are in some big trouble, if the Democrats Ho Hum this fiasco!

Never have I heard a powerful politician dig a deeper hole any quicker than she did today!!


Posted by: hotdad14 | May 14, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

"Pelosi is not lying. I believe her. All I have to do is think of Bush/Cheney and the republican party and that's enough for me."

It doesn't get any more mindless than this.

Posted by: buckdharma | May 14, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Ms Pelosi, Bush, Cheney, ANYONE who took part in authorizing, allowing or being a part of this illegal action against the constitutional tenets of our country must be brought to trial for torture. The Nazi's used all the same arguments the former administration is now using - wrong is wrong - illegal is illegal!!!!!

Posted by: utahmink | May 14, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi ought to do the honorable thing and resign her leadership post as Speaker of the House. The voters in her District ought to turn her out at the next election. She is simply not fit for her job and can no longer be trusted on any level.

Posted by: deserteagle1 | May 14, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

The only thing torturous about water-boarding is Nancy Pelosi's mendacious, pretzel-like explanation. Her twitching eyes, nervous speech and flailing hands reveal her as a practiced ("uh let me read my statement again") yet ineffective liar. She is the poster child for the Peter Principle, and I hope SanFranGranNan will just go away already.

Posted by: CTSKINSFAN2 | May 14, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Pelosi is a piece of work. What can we expect from this over the top politician? She is like the little kid in grammer school that "didn't do it" when caught red handed. I expect she is like Bill "didn't inhale" Clinton and "I never had sex with that woman" hair splitter. Come on California, you are broke and you send these twisted folks to add to the Washington DC pool of selfish people.

Posted by: rterry1 | May 14, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans are throwing sand in the umpire's eyes yet again.

Look at exactly what happened, according to the interrogator who testified yesterday, all of the good information they got for Zubadiyah (or however you spell his name) came BEFORE they started to torture him. After a couple of days of productive interrogation, the CIA yanked him off the case and brought in 'contractors' to torture the guy, and they proceeded to waterboard him 83 times.

Why would they do that? NOT because they wanted the truth out of him. He had already given them the truth, including naming KSM as the planner of 9/11.

No, what they were looking for was what torture DOES provide -- a false confession.

They waterboarded him 83 times and they waterboarded KSM 183 times (does the number 83 have some kind of significance to them?) in order to get them to falsely confess that Iraq was tied to 9/11.

GET IT?

They tortured to get false confessions. NOT to make us safer, but to cover their a$$es.

WAR CRIMINAL DICK CHENEY.

Posted by: theRealCalGal | May 14, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

We are missing the point of what Ms Pelosi did wrong. Yes, she lied but MORE importantly and the crux of the issue is that she didn't whistleblow when she learned the Cheney administration was using torture. That is the real crime.

Posted by: utahmink | May 14, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Well, going on defense didn't work for Pelosi. I guess she figures that she has to go on offense.

Anyway, torture has now officially jumped the shark as a political issue for the Democrats. Show trials and "truth commissions" were always unlikely, but now that the 2nd or 3rd most powerful Democrat in the country is caught up in the whole thing, the Democrats can't use this issue to bludgeon the GOP.

The only way that the Democrats could revive torture to score partisan points is if they immediately threw Pelosi under the bus. That would show that they have a zero-tolerance policy towards torture. They can't do that, of course, because they're not actually opposed to torture. They're just opposed to it when a president that they don't like is doing it. Besides, after Samantha Power, Racist Granny, Rev. Wright, James Johnson, Mazen Asbahi, etc., there's very little room under Obama's bus for Nancy Pelosi.

Posted by: wapo9 | May 14, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Well its a good thing were all a christian nation, because Jesus LOOOOOVVVEDD Torture.

....but hates abortion???


WWJD

Posted by: tallertapas311 | May 14, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Water-boarding is not torture. There are tougher college hazings, and don't even get me started on Boot-Camp training! Poor little Terrorists! Wah, Wah, Wah! The real question is, DID IT SAVE AMERICAN LIVES? Anything else is B.S.

Posted by: HUDAHAR | May 14, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Neocons are funny. If they think Pelosi supported torture then they would also be supporting her. Let's see if the CIA releases those briefings we'll see the truth.

Republicans controlled Congress in 2003 and they were responsible for oversight, not that it mattered since the White House pretty much could do what it wanted.

Posted by: crudblue | May 14, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Some people, especially politicians, never seem to learn! Just tell the truth the first time and you do not have to worry about the truth coming out later with all of its consequences. If the Democrats have any intelligence they will remove her from her leadership position.

Posted by: jslivesay | May 14, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Whether Pelosi knew about the torture or not is irrelevant. She couldn't have stopped it and she definitely wouldn't have been the one to change Bush & Company's mind! Especially not during the rabidly patriotic period after the dust of 9/11 had settled and the media obliged Bush and abdicated its responsibility to hold his feet firmly to the fire and obediently banged his war drums instead. The Conservative media establishment is successfully managing to attack Pelosi in much the same way it inexplicably vilified Hillary Clinton back in the 90s. Are The Media Gods trying to undermine a possible Pelosi Presidential candidacy?

The media are utilizing the "mountain out of a molehill" approach to criticizing President Obama as well. Considering Obama has all but ruled out prosecuting ALL those who broke the law and compromised the integrity and safety of our nation by torturing prisoners, this story is a bunch of bull.

Posted by: iphoenix | May 14, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Previously Pelosi stated in the strongest possible terms that she had never been briefed. Now she acknowledges that she was. Exactly who is misleading whom, Madam Speaker?

Pelosi is misleading the public -- that much we know for sure.

Posted by: tresangelas | May 14, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

It was neither Nancy Pelosi (not the Speaker at the time) nor was it any Democrat in Congress, the House or Senate, who gave the orders to waterboard anyone. It's a weak and pathetic tactic to lay blame on others while trying to cover for Bush/Cheney (or Cheney/Bush) who are the real criminals and who would be tried in international court (certainly not Mrs. Pelosi) if this country practiced what it preaches to others. The shameful moment in our history was Cheney's order to carry out inhumane and illegal acts, and not when a congressperson may have been lied to. Do we really believe that a (proven) lying administration is going to tell Congress that it's breaking international laws? Hardly. If a special prosecutor were appointed, all of this obfuscating by Repugnicans would simple fade in the light of the truth. "If Repugnicans do it, it can't be illegal" or something like that, so says the head of the Repugnican Party - Rush Limburgh.

Posted by: sbaron11 | May 14, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

All this pointing the finger is B.S. Of course the Bush administration ordered this and is responsible. But anyone else who knew is also responsible. It's been a few years since my last government class, but what ever happened to the whole "Checks and Balances" thing?

I agree, when you consider the fact the Pelosi is 3rd in line, it is a bit scary.

Posted by: doilookthatstupid | May 14, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a liar!!! Eventhough alleged "waterboarding" was NOT illegal in 2003, she needs to be removed from office for lying to the American people. She did not just not remember the truth. She outright lied for political gain.

Posted by: kmccorma | May 14, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Step down now Madame Speaker. Do yourself and your party a favor.

Posted by: durst1034 | May 14, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi: "I did not have sex....It depends on what is is."

Wait!! That wasn't Pelosi. It was another well know Dimocrit.

But Dimorits are saying we should still blame and bash Bush, because he was the one who was giving the order, not the one who was agreeing to the orders. Right!

Posted by: mollyclaire | May 14, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Please STOP THIS TORTURE!! I can't stand any more of Pelosi's constantly evolving lies!
Who can I complain to about this continuous torture of American citizens subjected to this through the news?
Surely the U.N. is watching and will take appropriate action. Oh wait, did I say U.N.
DISREGARD!

Posted by: TexRancher | May 14, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

The Bush administration lied us into war and authorized policies that made America less safe. Cheney is a demented war criminal intent on revisionist history. Pelosi is a liar. The first two should be prosecuted for war crimes, the third should resign in disgrace.

Posted by: rcasero | May 14, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse


Even if she did know, what was she supposed to do about it?

Tell the Washington Post?

The meetings were classified.

Besides, everyone knew soon enough torture was going on and it was researched, implemented and endorsed by Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld.

Somebody needs to go to jail for this.

But not Pelosi. In typical partisan fashion, placing party-before-country, GOP operatives are struggling to move the spotlight off Bush & Co and place it elsewhere.

What do you guys intend to tell your children? That we had to break the law unnecessarily?

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | May 14, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

How many different stories is she going to have on this? She's already had 4 versions! She's lying through her teeth and she knows it and so does everyone else! She chaired the committee - of course she knew! It's about time the Dums exposed themselves. I hope a lot more comes out! This will be their own undoing and I can't wait!

Posted by: ConcernedConservative | May 14, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Liar, liar, extremely expensive Valentino pants suit on fire!

Posted by: WashingtonDame | May 14, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

While I agree with tallertapas311 that it's the disgusting Bushies who should swing from the yardarm for their war crimes, I'm no Pelosi fan either even though I know this is all an exercise to embarrass the Dems.

The Congress should go after the real criminals first and deal with who knew what when later. Maybe Pelosi should consider giving up her speakership if it meant getting GOP cooperation in prosecuting the worst of the worst. If she's a true patriot, getting Cheney and his Texas puppet would make that a worthwhile trade.

Posted by: gerrysvt | May 14, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse


Have you ever seen anyone waffle like Nancy Pelosi?

And she is the Speaker of the House of Representatives

What has this country come to?

rmk, akron

Posted by: rmkraus | May 14, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Waterboarding is "torture" by any reasonable definition. It is also clear that MOC Pelosi and many other MOC failed to carry out their "oversight" responsibilities. A lot of people can be blamed. However, I agree with those who say "stop wasting time" on this issue. Plenty of other problems with higher priorities. Let the UN or the ICJ prosecute those responsible for violating international law. The name calling which is so prevalent in this matter is a waste of time. Lefties, Righties, Pinkos' Wackos, etc.. As Americans all of us are in need of a Congress which will focus on today and tomorrow and let history and the international legal system handle this matter. Perhaps, Pelosi,Cheney, etc. can catch the same flight to the Hague.

Posted by: jimeglrd8 | May 14, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

When you go on a witch hunt, it doesn't discriminate. Democrats and Republicans were both in on this.

Posted by: 123cartoon | May 14, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I know that Obama has banned waterboarding but maybe he could make an exception. Looks like we need to use it just one more time. Sorry Nancy, we need to know the truth. But if you ask real nice I bet the CIA will blow dry your hair afterwards.

Posted by: Mhowell2008 | May 14, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Of course she knew. In 2002 most polled would have agreed that the military / CIA should do whatever it takes to capture the terrorists and protect the homeland.

In typical fashion the Speaker has set herself up for ridicule.

What I'm more interested in is who in congress pressures Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to reduce their credit standards giving wall street a green light to sell mortgages to people who really couldn't afford them.

Everyone in congress is just outraged over what the banks have done to the economy. I haven't heard anyone take them to task over theircomplicity in creating the environment that helped to create the crisis. Where was the outrage when the Clinton administration decided to leave the derivative markets unregulated. Where was each member of congress when the Bush administration gutted the regulations and rules that helped to reign in wall street.

The banks didn't do this on their own!!

Posted by: PointPleasantPointofView | May 14, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

BTW, Pelosi is not third in line for the Presidency, she is second in line.

Obama is President.

Biden is first in line to succeed him.

Pelosi is second in line to succeed him.

All of you slamming Pelosi here either always hated her (because she's a powerful woman and a Democrat), or believe the CIA over her for some reason, or have completely fallen for the ReThug distraction technique -- look over there! -- rather than focusing on the TRUE ISSUE, which is WHO authorized torture and WHY.

The ReThugs are like naughty children being caught and pointing to the girl next door and saying "Well, SHE knew about it."

My Mom would have said, "It doesn't matter who knew about it, you DID it and YOU'RE going to be punished for it."

But most of the commenters here are obviously not as smart as my mother.

Posted by: theRealCalGal | May 14, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Well now. We know democrats lie like republicans. The truth of the matter the whole congressional bunch of featherbedders knew that bush and cheny group broke the laws of this country, thumbed their nose at the constituion, lied to the public and the world, committed WAR CRIMES , murdered little Iraqi kids, women and old and young men and women. Then we sing,"MY COUNTRY TIS OF THEE, SWEET LAND OF LIBERTY"! Liberty to do what? Invade whomsoever bush and Cheny wanted too? To make our army look like mafia hit men!!! That whole group should be given a one day trial in IRAQ!!! Bring our troops oputa that desert NOW!!

Posted by: olethunder | May 14, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Even if she did know, what was she supposed to do about it?

Tell the Washington Post?

The meetings were classified.

Besides, everyone knew soon enough torture was going on and it was researched, implemented and endorsed by Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld.

Somebody needs to go to jail for this.

But not Pelosi. In typical partisan fashion, placing party-before-country, GOP operatives are struggling to move the spotlight off Bush & Co and place it elsewhere.

What do you guys intend to tell your children? That we had to break the law unnecessarily?

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | May 14, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

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If the CIA were planning on overthrowing the govt and Pelosi knew it are you saying she should stay quiet?? She had the ability to stop the tactics without going public. She did not because at the time it was LEGAL to waterboard.

Posted by: kmccorma | May 14, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

HUDAHAR

Waterboarding is torture. Jesse Ventura called it torture bc he had it done to him. Torture can be mental. You can look away on how it affects people, but its real. And if Cheney used it on terrorists to prove an Iraq Al Qaeda connection, who is to say he would not have used it on us. The spanish inquisition used torture and that wasnt so bad i guess.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | May 14, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

The real torture that was done has been stopped and the people involved were punished by the BUSH-CHENEY administration.

Terrorists and pirates are not privy to the Geneva Convention or to other treaties.

The CIA can not do its job if the world and the terrorists know what it can NOT do.

We have been SAFE in this country for 7 years. I appreciate that. Thank you, Bush-Cheney.

Pelois is a liar and should be impeached. Or at least urged to resign as House Speaker. She makes a left wing radical marxist look even worse. The whole mess should step down.

OR GET ON WITH HELPING THE COUNTRY CREATE JOBS INSTEAD OF GIVING AWAY MONEY YOU DO NOT HAVE AND TRYING TO REGURITATE THE PAST!! Giving money to ACORN and Labor unions!! What a rip off!

TIME IS RUNNING OUT. WE WILL ALL BE SLAVES AGAIN SOON!! WAKE UP AMERICANS!!

Posted by: annnort | May 14, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

The "misled" excuse? Just like every U.S. allied intelligence agency misled her over WMD's in Iraq?

Should we expect a liberal attack on Nancy Pelosi with the same fervor as the media attacked President Bush?

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | May 14, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Mrs. Pelosi is a complete liar.

Posted by: poppysue85 | May 14, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Is there anybody out there with an IQ higher than 3 who would believe anything that this woman says?????? She is the joke of Congress, albeit, a very sick joke at best.

Posted by: viejo70 | May 14, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi is a sorry excuse for a human being. I suppose the CIA mislead her when they told her, aliens really do exist.

Posted by: candyzky | May 14, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

here come the Obama Pelosi democrat liars like Hmmmmm pretending that Pelosi LYING about approving EIT is "nothing important" "completely irrelevant". If Hmmm commits a crime, and tells me he's committed the crime and I LIE about KNOWING he committed the crime... then by law I m an accessory to that crime. If the democrats believe torture is a crime - then Pelosi is an accessory to that crime. Denying she knew about when the evidence speaks LOUDLY to the contrary - and spinning the truth so many times in order to save her ass - IS VERY RELEVANT.

Let's roll the tape Nancy! IN HER OWN WORDS. http://infidelsparadise.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/lets-roll-the-tape-nancy/

Lie Exposed: Pelosi’s Power, Oversight and Control of the CIA Two months after being briefed on Waterboarding. Nancy Pelosi in her own words allocating money, admitting her oversight role, and saying the interrogation community deserves our appreciation.

Posted by: HarleyQuinn1 | May 14, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

How many versions of what she knew and when she knew it has she released so far? She seems to be sweating a great deal the past few days, and I think Obama and Hoyer have her neck in the noose ready to kick to stool out from under her!

Posted by: vgailitis | May 14, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Democrat high moral standards would have preferred seeing a major terrorist attack on LA.

Posted by: pkhenry | May 14, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

If I hadn't actually watched the press conference and the news media's rabid reactions and attempts to pin this whole thing on Pelosi, I wouldn't have believed it. To try and blame her for what Bush, Cheney, the CIA and entire government apparatus set in motion as if SHE actually had the power to stop Bush and Cheney from doing what they wanted is unbelievable gall. She should have ask these reporters, "If you really wanted to know the truth, you'd be asking the people who actually did this, you'd be swarming their homes, their businesses. Cheney's been all over the press, why aren't you questioning HIM? You know WHY? Because the republicans control the media and the media was as complicit as anyone in this whole war scheme. It is the PRESS who always gets away with their part in shaping the minds of the public and aiding in promoting elitist causes. Why doesn't anyone ever question the press for their duplicity and whole THEM accountable for what they knew and when they knew it and ask them why didn't they do the WOODWARD AND BERNSTEIN thing and expose it when they knew it? No wonder this nation is crumbling under the weight of its own hypocrisy. God does not like ugly. As Pelosi said, the truth will come out, except that ALL of it should come out and everyone who knew anything including the media should be exposed!

Posted by: Melaniki | May 14, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

How were democrats in on this.

BUSH AUTHORIZED it in his fascist presidency.

Its funny when people call obama one, when we had one for 8 years.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | May 14, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

And you said that prersident Bush and Sarah Palin were dumb. How about for this disgrace as house speaker.
She's a ridiculous clown who does not have the stature to be even a white house intern.
I wonder why those elitist democrats can't notice this.

Posted by: joaquimaugustoleal | May 14, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

It would have been political suicide to oppose it 6 years ago. The average Joe citizen and press were lapping up the fear and terror, we were at code orange or whatever from day to day, we had the axis of evil bearing down on us, the war machines were in full gear, war profiteering was abounding, trucks and planes full of money dissappearing...you can't just stop the party even if your Nancy Pelosi.

Why don't they all just say, ya, we were flowing with the political winds of the day...

Posted by: Impeachbush99 | May 14, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Everyone should be asking themselves this. Is there a politician presently or in the past that is capable of the truth ? Is there a leader out there in Washington, or any other political arena left ? We have become a weakened laughingstock worldwide. Both parties, liberal or conservative. The system is broken and we are not fixing it. The players are all wrong for that. We need leadership that isnt afraid of public opinion. Who can make America strong again and keep it safe. Who spends within OUR budget and views us as Americans all, not this minority or that religious group. Give that person a opportunity and I guareentee we the people will benefit and follow.

Posted by: livefreeordie2 | May 14, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

tallertapas311
If you wish to address my response, please answer the prime question:
"DID IT SAVE AMERICAN LIVES?"

Posted by: HUDAHAR | May 14, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi was prohibited by law from saying anything at the time.

Posted by: Heerman532 | May 14, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Her job was to get a majority in Congress? I suppose her constituents would be surprised to hear that. If she knew about it and did nothing to stop it, then she is complicit. If she wasn't a person of influence why were they even briefing her?

Posted by: ronjaboy | May 14, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

She said, she have reservations during the briefings. In other words, she knew. Liar. She should step down.

Posted by: mcaboy84 | May 14, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

What she says is entirely consistent with how we know the Bush administration worked -- always at the edge of the truth, misleading whil maintaining the semblance of straight talk. They briefed her about some legality findings, said waterboarding was no in use, and then "neglected" to say that it really was.

Posted by: johnnormansp | May 14, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

The Repubs are stuck with that dope Steele and the Dems have that idiot Pelosi. Too bad for the country. Other than being the lightening rod she occasionally is, I think most of America just tunes her out .. especially after her act during the financial crisis last Fall. Too bad Hoyer couldn't muster the votes last time around.

Posted by: tslats | May 14, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a liar. I suspect her comments today will be the beginning of her downfall. She should be removed as Speaker for scores of valid reasons, not the least of which would be her incompetence.

Posted by: AWWNats | May 14, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Bush/Cheney Administration "Misled" this country into a war with IRAQ, they misled this country on the state of our ECONOMY for 8 years. They misled us on our ENERGY crisis, Global Warming, and everything else I can think of.

Therefore, it is highly conceivable to me that Pelosi was also misled.

And, if she were not, I could care less. The Republican Party was/is a DISGRACE to our Democracy.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | May 14, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

She said, she have reservations during the briefings. In other words, she knew. Liar. She should step down.

Posted by: mcaboy84 | May 14, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

HUDAHAR

The answer from everybody but Cheney is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.


It led us on goose chases bc the guy spouted out anything to make it stop.

There is no proof it ever has. Did it save lives during the Spanish inquistion or when the Khmer Roque did it?

Even ABC had to say the Kirkou story was false and not true.

The brain is much better then torture for getting info.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | May 14, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

America was much safer under Clinton - with 40,000 terrorists in Afghanistan plotting 9/11, and Saddam killing and torturing millions of his own people.

Liberals are so smart.

Posted by: pkhenry | May 14, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Two problems with Nancy's response:

1) If you were misled - you are not intelligent enough for the role and need to be replaced.

2) If you failed to act on your principles - you are not qualified to serve.

Will she fall on her sword? I think not. She does not have the guts.

Posted by: jhpbriton | May 14, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Of course youll say that Obamas DNI guy said it helped, but save lives. It did not.

This isnt 24. This is real life.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | May 14, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

What a polarized nation we live in. No one can get real and call it how it is. Dems in here defending Pelosi and Repubs against her. Does anyone even know why they are against or for her or do they first look at the political affiliation then decide??

Posted by: rlescaille | May 14, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Cubsfan, you state:
"In 2007, the Democrats took over Congress and Pelosi (for who knows why) was named Speaker. At this point the Democrats had the power to ban these so-called acts of torture."

You are incorrect on several levels: first, Congress did not have the power to ban something that had already happened in the past, so let's get that out of the way. Second, Waterboarding was already illegal as per US law and treaties into which the US had entered, so technically, Congress would have been redundant to make it a crime AGAIN. Third, the Democrats in Congress DID pass a law banning torture, but Bush vetoed it!!! Check your facts!!

Senator John McCain (R-AZ) pushed to apply the AFM to all Department of Defense agencies, in what became known as the McCain Anti-Torture Amendment to the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) added a provision to the Intelligence Authorization Act conference report that would extend the AFM even further to encompass all federal agencies. Both chambers of Congress voted to send the conference report to the president, with the AFM provision included. BUSH VETOED IT, STATING THAT IT WOULD TIE THE CIA'S HANDS.

I am all for a hearty debate, but too many people on this post are either ignorant or liars...

This is a witch hunt to try and scare the Democratic Congress from investigating this matter. If it turns out that Democrats were equally responsible, then let them face the music too...but

Let's make sure we have our facts straight about who could do what to whom; who controlled what and who was responsible for committing the actual crimes.

Posted by: winks_lbj | May 14, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

The question is not if you can show in some instance that torture saved American lives. First, because it is wrong. Second, because there are other ways. Third, becasue it also leads to mistakes, and mainly, FOURTH, because it gives us the lower moral ground, and therefore will inevitably lead to more problems, and MORE American lives lost in the future. This is obvious.

Posted by: johnnormansp | May 14, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I don't really see how this changes the fact that Dick Cheney and George Bush authorized government officials to torture detainees. Pelosi didn't order the torture and, at most, one could say she was complicit and even that is a stretch. The house minority leader doesn't set or approve interrogation tactics and in her case the waterboarding was going on before she was informed. Hitting on Pelosi is just an attempt to divert attention away from the former adminstration's illegal authorization of torture which is clearly outlawed in the many treaties the United States has signed over the years. Torture is the issue, not the what and when did Nancy Pelosi know. Paula Hannah, Erie, Pa

Posted by: phannah | May 14, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

It's fairly easy to keep Impeachment 'off the table,' when you have a hook in the Speaker of the House.

Posted by: tobeimeanpeter | May 14, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Your JOB as minority leader was to speak for all Democrats in the House! And because they didn't know any of the details, you were obligated to do it for them!

At least Ms Harman had the guts to do her job. And as you've shown again and again as Speaker, you don't have the guts to do yours.

Posted by: infuse | May 14, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

It's the beginning of the end for Ms. Nancy. She doesn't lie as well as Obama or Bill Clinton.

Look for Obama to find a way to get rid of the Botox Babe shortly!!!

Posted by: sagereader | May 14, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

The Speaker of the House represents her District in San Francisco extremly well, BUT, she is not the person to represent centrist Dems like me & those folk who did elect Barack Obama as President.Just as Cheney does not speak for the moderate republicans,Pelosi does not speak for the substantial majority of moderate democrats & independents.If the democrats want to hold on to the House of Representatives, it best put Pelosi in a post where her shrillness (ala LUSH LIMPBA) will not be so offensive to the electorate that elects presidents & the majority of Congress.If not, the pendulum will swing & the worm will turn.

Posted by: tlrasnic | May 14, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

So Bush and Cheney authorized and ordered torture and that's okay with republicans..but Pelosi is a complete liar and is the one responsible for the whole mess. Republicans are scum.

Posted by: kubrickstan | May 14, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

The question is not if you can show in some instance that torture saved American lives. First, because it is wrong. Second, because there are other ways. Third, becasue it also leads to mistakes, and mainly, FOURTH, BECAUSE IT GIVES US THE LOWER MORAL GROUND AND WILL THEREFORE INEVITABLY LEAD TO MORE AMERICAN LIVES LOST IN THE FUTURE. This is obvious.

Posted by: johnnormansp | May 14, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

This is just a typical republican/media distraction.

Even if Pelosi did know, and the evidence suggests otherwise, what could she have done? And even if there's something she might have done, the republicans would still be responsible for 99% of the criminality.

Somehow the republicans and media think this will magically exonerate the Bush Administration. But this is absurd logic, and people are not this dumb.

Investigate and prosecute.

Posted by: dougd1 | May 14, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I read all that is written about Dems, Repubs, congressmen, senators, etc and I have come away convinced that the citizens are more scary then anyone in office. What a bunch of spoiled, silly children.

Posted by: sickofit3 | May 14, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

M'lady doth protest too much.

Posted by: Bluefish2012 | May 14, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

The CIA probably did lie about things but Pelosi had to know...why else would she continue to tell so many different stories.

If Pelosi were a republician, the wrath of god would be showered down on her. (And no, I'm not a republican, just so you know.) It's hypocritical and disgusting.

The story isn't about whether any of us think water boarding is torture. Pelosi should be held accountable.

Posted by: rumornlies | May 14, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

You don't realize how disrespectful, spiteful, evil and totally bullyish the neo cons are until you read or hear some of their comments. These are truly some mean, evil, devilish people. Their men are abusive and hate women, their women are passive bimbos are wired nutjobs lke Anne Coulter who respect nothing and no one, not even themselves. To think, I used to have a great deal of respect for the republican party. For their family values and their government oversight. But it has morphed into a party of racist fringe lunatics who seem ready to kill at the drop of a word and respect only those who agree with them. God help us if they ever get back in power.

Posted by: Melaniki | May 14, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

The best defense is a good offense. Unfortunately for Nan, this isn't even a good offense.

Posted by: Compared2What | May 14, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

the RealGalCal is all knowing. Don't dispute her . . . . . or her mother. Then again, she may be right.

rmk, akron

Posted by: rmkraus | May 14, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Time to flush Pelosi down the toilet, just like everyone does after wiping their Barney Franks. I expect members of Congress to be honest and truthful, not a liar and waste of human DNA.

Posted by: Bowhunter | May 14, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is the most lying woman I have ever heard. She is scared for her job now and she is trying to cover her butt. I wish the general who briefed her on waterboarding would come forward against her at a trial but for some reason everyone seems to be afraid of her. I wonder why that is. If Obama was worth 2 cents himself he would remove her from office but what do you expect--butthole buddies to the end.

Posted by: phillips9251 | May 14, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

She wants a "truth commission" to attack Bush and Cheney now, but she didn't call for one in 2002 when she knew full well what policies were being implemented.

Why? Because she is playing politics.

Pelosi is a fraud.

If there is a truth commission, she needs to be one of the first to answer to it.

Posted by: ttj1 | May 14, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

So Pelosi may have known. What does that change. That the Dems were complicite. Maybe, but they didnt give the order. The blood is on Bush/Cheney.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | May 14, 2009 12:05 PM

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tallertapas311,

complicity: n. the state of being an accomplice; partnership in wrongdoing

There is a reason why Obama will not order investigations into the harsh interrogation techniques. He knows that the Democratic leadership will be proven to have been just as involved in it as the Republicans. They knew what was going on and sat on their hands. What could Nancy have done? It isn't called "Congressional oversight" for nothing and she could have stopped it if she wanted to. It doesn't matter whose idea it was in the first place. As you pointed out, the Democrats were complicite.

Posted by: hisroc | May 14, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Nancy,


Show me that you were mislead.

Signed,

American People

Posted by: rsenn | May 14, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I have totally lost confidence in Pelosi and truly believe she should step down.

She was wrong to say immediately after the 2006 election when she became Speaker, that "impeachment was off the table". If a president can be impeached for a consensual sex act in the Oval office, bush should have been impeached for taking us to war in Iraq built on lies.

Pelosi has become trapped in her own lies now, just like cheney. I think the Democrats need a new more trustworthy speaker. These politicians who lie and lie and lie until they are proven to be liars all make me ill and I do not trust them EVER again!

Pelosi has been lying about what she knew about waterboarding and when she knew it and should now step down since she lied to us.

Posted by: cashmere1 | May 14, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

How is this news? We've known the Bush thugs were a bunch of criminals since Day 1. We knew the Bush thugs rarely took the Constitution seriously since Day 1. We knew the Bush thugs were some of the most corrupt incompetents to lead a major power since the last days of Rome.

Were they waterboarding? Of course. Was waterboarding illegal? Of course. Did we know they were waterboarding? Of course. Did the Bush thugs simply use false bravado, lies, and the shroud of the flag to swamp any incumbent who dared to disagree with them in a wave of blind populism? Of course. Did Pelosi live to fight another day? Of course. Are we better as a nation today because of it? Of course.

Case. Closed.

Posted by: hiberniantears | May 14, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

This is why nothing will be done to punish Bush, Cheney and their henchman.
Pelosi knew there was water boarding being done and said nothing. She knew that the US was torturing prisoners and let it slide.
Why is it important? Because she was obligated to speak out, to raise bloody hell and expose the use of torture not accept it.
Standing by and doing nothing makes her part of it whether she wants to recognize that or not.

Posted by: RRuin | May 14, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

In the real world, there is a legal term for this: complicit.

The difference here is that Bush/Cheney never pretended they weren't involved. Pelosi either didn't have the stones to stand up to them or didn't have the stones to tell her constituents she knew.

There's a term for that: cowardice.

Posted by: tonynelson1 | May 14, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

This nation has enough on it's plate than to worry about who said what to whom seven years ago. Pelosi was just a do nothing democrat during the early Bush years!

Posted by: tonyholst | May 14, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure I remember Mr. Bush saying we don't torture...

now it's quite evident that we do, and it's not limited to three people being waterboarded....

and now Mr. Cheney says that Mr. Bush authorised it.

How many people died in US custody in Iraq?

...and the only outrage the Republicans can think of is to blame Ms. Pelosi.

don't sit around and wonder TOO long why you are out of power and won't be returning any time soon.

Posted by: vigor | May 14, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

All this concern over how the poor little terrorists were treated. If you had been on the upper floors of the WTC on 9/11 waterboarding would seem pretty innocent.

Posted by: baseball09 | May 14, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Posted by: pkhenry | May 14, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I think Nancy Pelosi needs to just plain ole keep her mouth shut, step down and take her place in the back. Her mouth seems to be getting her in more trouble. As the third in line for the president, I think it is a disgrace.

Posted by: ejfresquez | May 14, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

"She had the ability to stop the tactics without going public. "

How?

Posted by: theRealCalGal | May 14, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

From "Are you sure these methods are severe enough," to "they misled me that these were being used." Does she know that the CIA did not tape the briefings?

Posted by: glenlivet | May 14, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi, you lying [w]itch. You are an embarassment to an embarassing Congress. Not even Slick Willie Clinton could lie with such a straight face. You wouldn't know the truth if it stood on your foot.
And to 'phannah': this IS about Pelosi and about continual lying to the people. Don't hide from that fact.

Posted by: Doug7 | May 14, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

tallertapas311. Stop making excuses for Pelosi and the rest of the Liberals. The issue here is that Pelosi lied.

Posted by: hvdo2001 | May 14, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

This is a good time to recall what Sen. Schumer said abut torture at a June 8, 2004 Judiciary Committee hearing:

"And I’d like to interject a note of balance here. There are times when we all get in high dudgeon. We ought to be reasonable about this. I think there are probably very few people in this room or in America who would say that torture should never, ever be used, particularly if thousands of lives are at stake. Take the hypothetical: If we knew that there was a nuclear bomb hidden in an American city and we believed that some kind of torture, fairly severe maybe, would give us a chance of finding that bomb before it went off, my guess is most Americans and most senators, maybe all, would say, ‘Do what you have to do.’So it’s easy to sit back in the armchair and say that torture can never be used. But when you’re in the foxhole, it’s a very different deal."


And, of course Mr & Ms Bubba have said similar things regarding their willingness to protect this country if it required making Terrorists uncomfortable.

Posted by: FraudObama | May 14, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Read their comments. All over the internet. These are the republican party now. Read the male comments about Pelosi and Michele Obama. Read the women's comments about Obama. These are some evil, unhinged, dangerous people. These are not the republicans I once admired. These are klansmen and nazis undercover. You want to part of THIS? For all their faults, let's hope the democrats can hang on to power. It is the only chance our nation has to survive. No wonder we were hated around the world. This is scary.

Posted by: Melaniki | May 14, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a liar and officially shares guilt in the Bush regieme torture scandal, the fact that she is associated with Jane Harman, who has been under fire for her taped conversation attempting to interfere with the investigation of 2 foreign spies associated with AIPAC, in which they offered to help her career for her assistance adds fuel to the fire-excuse me while I hurl over these corrupt politicians

Posted by: sunaj | May 14, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Where's the big surprise in all of this? Does anyone think for a minute that Bush/Cheney told the truth to anyone about anything?

Of course they lied to Pelosi. Now, like the cowardly liars they are, the Bushies are trying to implicate her in their torture. It won't wash.

Posted by: algasema | May 14, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Waterboarding is illegal. Determine who was responsible for its use and then prosecute.

-----------------------------------------

Flying aircraft into skyscrapers is illegal. Determine which politicians during the Clinton administration facilitated the entry of terrorists into the country and then prosecute.

Posted by: ttj1 | May 14, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are so stupid they don't even read what Pelosi said. She said she WAS NOT briefed that the techniques were being used. A few Repubs have read that, and say she is lying. Oh, it's because it's her word against the Bush and Cheney administration, and we know that Bush and Cheney and their gang in the Whitehouse would never have done anything to deceive anyone. C'mon, GOP-ers, crawl back into the woodwork you came out of, or go partying with Joe the Plumber, for Pete's sake. You can't read, or write, obviously. Get a life, and a new political party, because this one is all done up.

Posted by: johnnormansp | May 14, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

People don’t seem to understand the process. Why are others blaming Pelosi for what the Bush administration did? In a perfect world, yeah she could have and should have spoke up in the restricted parameters that she had (with the secrecy and what not) but the fact remains it was Bush and Cheney who did all of this. FOCUS people-FOCUS!

Posted by: dhampton100 | May 14, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

@tallertapas311

Stop shilling for Pelosi.

OK, we get it, you believe somehow Bush managed to have COMPLETE control of everything in the Government, he is this mastermind, oh yeah, him and Cheney, they pulled everyone's strings. You sound like a moron when you refuse to look at reality. BOTH parties were involved and remain involved in some of the same policies. It just became politically expedient for Pelosi and her fellow Dems to point the crooked finger at GWB and Cheney.

Of course they are hypocrites, all politicians, all humans are to a degree, but Pelosi (rightly) has serious egg on her face for her complete inability to come up with anything better than 'i was lied to'... um, well crap. If you are speaker of the house (Nay any elected official) you have a responsibility to be more than a gullible tool of some supposed War Mongering mastermind.

Don't you get it, if she lied, she got caught, and if she didn't lie, then she's a fool not worthy of her station.

Does this go just as much for a lot of politicians? Hell yeah, but that ain't the topic at hand. And giving her a pass just because others at higher levels were doing the same thing is a disservice to your self, and it erodes any valid points you might make.

The fact that so many people buy into this idea that dems or republicans are either morally superior to each other is truly pathetic. If you wanted real change you could believe in you would stop electing incumbents. Term limits would be at all levels of government and lobbying would make you a social pariah, akin to athletes that use drugs or people who want to be ruled by a communist dictatorship...

Posted by: gconrads | May 14, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Finally the Light of Truth is shining on a Democrat politician's role instead of the simple "Blame Bush/Cheney" doctrine.

Maybe there's hope for the Katrina tragedy, Fannie Mae fiasco, 9/11, Iraq War, etc.

Posted by: Yankee_Skeptic | May 14, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

HISROC

That is ridiculous

They are complicite in not knowing the extent. What could they do? What would it have accomplished.

Bush ORDERED it. He didnt ask for permission. Even if she did know, it was after the 83 times it was used.

This is a smokescreen. What would happen to Pelosi? A commision would say they were all wrong, but BUSH BROKE THE LAW.

Being wrong and doing something ILLEGAL is very different.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | May 14, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

This sounds so familiar, anybody notice a bit of irony with the bloggers who want Nancy Pelosi's hide but have no problem with what Cheney did?

I believe these are the same bloggers who made Senator Kerry look like the bad guy for going to war and fighting for country, risking live and limb while George Bush drank through his Air Force gig and Dick Cheney sat home working on good excuses for why he wasn't able to go war. These same bloggers even attacked John McCain when he ran against Bush.

Who are these folks and why are they so keen on protecting those who broke the law, made the US look meek and mild, used torture to tried and come up with a legitimate excuse to invade Iraq. And when they couldn't find a good enough reason, they manufactured one.

Cheney claims that torture saved thousands of lives. Let's look at the numbers, 9/11 happened on Bush's watch 4-5 thousand innocent lives lost. Bush goes to war in Iraq, 5 thousand American soldiers killed, tens of thousand maimed or seriously impaired, over 100,000 innocent Iraqi's killed. I believe the numbers are against Cheney. But hey, these bloggers, who have no facts to go on, still believe in the Bush\Cheney team.

Come on folks, the past leaders made a mess of so many things, you gotta stop trying to defend them, even if you hate Democrats, don't you love your own country? Do you want to be the folks who support torture? Pre-emptive wars?

I just don't understand...but hey, Pelosi was briefed, stone her? You folks have a lot to learn. Even Cheney now claims to prefer a loud mouthed entertainer named Rush over a decorated veteran like Colin Powell in the Republic party. You want to know why, it's because Cheney is very, very afraid of those who know how much evil he has done! He fears Powell more than God! Real soldiers know that torture is wrong, Cheney is no soldier, he was never a good leader.

Posted by: fide | May 14, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Ok, just for a minute, let's buy into the Republican posters' complaints that Pelosi was in some way complicit and needs to be punished. In order to be complicit, someone else needed to commit a crime. That would be Cheney, Bush, Yoo, Bybee etc. So I'll buy into punishing Pelosi on the day that these criminals are sentenced. Are you Republicans with me? No? Thought not. Tongues get out in front of your brains much?

Posted by: Lefty_ | May 14, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Let's get something clear for once. The previous administration was engaged in a war that is still a direct threat to National Security. We cannot be successful without information to make informed decisions. The enemy happens to be secretive, subversive, does not wear uniforms, and will take innocent human lives to pursue thier goal. They are hideous and will gladly destroy this country. Waterboard for information to protect us all...do it! Has Pelosi been caught in a lie? YES! Has she lied about other things? YES! Did she channel money from the Govt. to her husband's company? YES! Is she dispicable and a criminal? Yes!
Get real everyone. We are in grave danger because of people like her. Oh look the emperor has no clothes! What a worthless excuse for a human...no ethics...no integrity...and a polished liar. She is a great aid in making this once proud country the laughing stock of the world. Please return to Iraq Nancy so we can hear more stories of running through buzzing bullets and so on, maybe you should travel with Hillary she's a real bullet dodger in her own right. Ask her she'll tell you. God Bless the USA!

Posted by: ha11 | May 14, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a real piece of work. Everyone is to blame except her. She needs to step down now.

Posted by: curious3
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Everyone is not to blame. The Bush/Chaney administration is directly responsible for the torture program.

Posted by: lgaide | May 14, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

The Rove Squad is still having a blast:
*Shifting focus from who ordered and implemented the Inquistion for Dummies instructions - to who may have heard about the insanely secretive Cheney Administration's version of the 'facts'.
*Shifting focus from the multi-illegalities perpetrated by Drown 'em Dicky - to whether the criminal activity may have worked.
As for Nancy, she lost me at "Impeachment's off the table."

Posted by: ULTRON5 | May 14, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone else dismayed that she sends an assistant to top secret national security briefings. The only conclusion is that she doesn't consider them as important as whatever else she is doing at that time. Another explanation is she is to stupid to understand the briefing herself and has a smarter subordinate attend and later translate it into something simple she can understand.

Posted by: TheIggynoonewants | May 14, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi's Chris Dodd moment. Can't trust her now.

Posted by: Frigistan | May 14, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Bush & Cheney bent the rules. They did so to keep America safe. They gained valuable information of planned terrorism by Al Qaeda. The Obama administration is doing there best to keep the world in the dark about this fact.
If terrorists needed to be waterboarded to keep Americans safe from acts of terrorism, so be it. Terrorism is not regular warfare, as such it should not be treated the same, as regular military procedures.
The politically correct world we live in is a joke. The liberals and the media (one in the same for the most part) will play this story up as much as possible, because Republicans are catching the blame.
Bottom line, Bush and Cheney did the right thing... these thugs deserved harsh treatment & valuable info was the result.

Posted by: MGB59 | May 14, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

So we should all take Bush and Cheney at their word and say that they briefed EVERYONE AND WANTED EVERYONES Imput.

Give me a break.

Pelosi may be an idiot and a standard politician, but he didnt do anything illegal.

Pelosi is liar. Bush is war criminal. Difference

Posted by: tallertapas311 | May 14, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

her job was to gain a majority? I'm sure her constituents are happy about that. She only opposed it once it was politically safe.

Anyway, those guys were terrorists; they deserved to be tortured whether they knew anything or not.

Posted by: ronjaboy | May 14, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

melaniki wrote

...the republicans control the media....

+++++++++++++++++++++++

Ha, Ha, it is to laugh (credit D. Duck).

What koolaid are you drinking...print press is predominantly on the left (WSJ on the right)...broadcast networks (ABC, CBS, NBC)... tilted slightly to left (exception NBC far left)....Cable (Fox - right, CNN & MSNBC - left)....

Broad generalizations limit the brain....

Posted by: jhpbriton | May 14, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Just let her keep talking. It will get even more interesting.

Posted by: 12oreo | May 14, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"My job was to change the majority in Congress."

And in 2006 when we did get the majority back.....

the lying cooking baking cow said "IMPEACHMENT IS OFF THE TABLE"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RESIGN NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: mdsinc | May 14, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Jane Harmon was recorded by HS on a phone tap with foreign spies, offering to intercede in the investigation for their promise to pull strings and further her career, Why is this politician running around free, and is there a connection to Pelosi?

Posted by: sunaj | May 14, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

President cant BEND THE RULES.

The oath of office is to protect the CONSTITUTION!!!!!!!!


I guess Nixon was just bending the rules.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | May 14, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"If you wish to address my response, please answer the prime question:
"DID IT SAVE AMERICAN LIVES?"

Not according to the interrogator Ali Sofar.

All the good intel that may have "saved American lives" came BEFORE they started waterboarding. The terrorists shut up when the torture started, because, like our GIs, they were trained to resist torture.

Watch yesterday's hearing. You might learn something.

You believe CHENEY???

Posted by: theRealCalGal | May 14, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Before you right-wing nuts demand Pelosi step down (we know you've always had it out for her) let's examine the facts, so far, the CIA has not produced ANY documentation proving that she was told that they were using waterboarding at that time.

AND, it would not surprise me that the most secretive administration in our history lied and tried to conceal the truth.

If Pelosi was complicit, then she by all means should step down, and while were at it let's ask Dick, George and Donald a few questions too under oath.

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty obvious that the lack of pursuing the prosecution path is directly related to the exposure. Looks like the Bush Admin did a fair enough CYA job in including a broad enough spectrum of our "representatives" although I do believe they were not likely to have received full disclosure.

It was politics at the time, there was public support, the Republicans were executing their fear game very well and they were in control. I mean, I wish we could throw the whole lot of them including Nancy in jail, but it's not going to happen. It sure would open up potential to perhaps find some new leaders that actually represent us...if any of those even exist.

Posted by: Impeachbush99 | May 14, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

The safety and well being of this country validates any means necessary to ensure that.Bush/Cheney kept this country safe for 7 1/2 years.
This administration accuses Bush and his appointees of being corrupt! What a joke. How about Reid ,Dodd ,Pelosi ,Franks,Geithner,ACORN?? The list is endless.Pelosi is as vindictive as the rest of the thugs in DC ,who masquerade as "doing the people's work".And about as truthful..

Posted by: ronniehvr | May 14, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a liar.
She has taken too many Botox slapshots to the brain.
Go home Nancy ...we won't miss you

Posted by: skip1937 | May 14, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm very impressed at Pelosi's ability to play the repugnots like a yo yo. They keep this issue percolating and they get their Truth Commission (which was all but dead 3 weeks ago). Plus, time for the economy to gain some traction in the economy. Brilliant!

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | May 14, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is just a lying sack of you know what. What a disgrace this liar is. She should resign if she has any decency...which I strongly doubt.
Another subversive democrat slug.

Posted by: LarryG62 | May 14, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm a dyed-in-the-wool liberal member of the Democratic Party, have been for years, and even I cringe whenever I see Ms. Pelosi at a news conference, especially about all of this!
That being said, when she did or didn't know what exactly was taking place when (Damn, I'm starting to talk like her!) does NOT mitigate the fact that she was briefed about what was already taking place; she, nor was anyone else in Congress asked for their opinions, they were told "this is what's happening, and don't tell anyone else or else you can be prosecuted (and bet you if you were told not to tell anyone that was already torturing others, yes, you'd keep your mouth shut!) so basically this is all an exersize in trying to share the blame. I guess it will make Bush, Cheney, Addington, etc. feel a lot better when they're sitting in their jail cells!

Posted by: PeterPamZ | May 14, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

When I was in Vietnam as a civilian I would talk to people who briefed Bella Abzug on programs then later see her in the USA deny any knowledge of these same programs. So Nancy Pelosi is folowing a long tradition of saying what ever it takes to get by. I hope the CIA record includes some video.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | May 14, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"Stop making excuses for Pelosi and the rest of the Liberals. The issue here is that Pelosi lied."

Oh yeah.

Because LYING is soooo much worse that TORTURE.

Here we have the exact ReThuglican Talking Point spit out by a Dittohead.

Posted by: theRealCalGal | May 14, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

(linkback) Believe or Doubt? Pelosi Accuses CIA of 'Misleading' Her on Interrogations [VOTE] - http://www.pikk.com/af07d

Posted by: kapauldo | May 14, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

To those who believe water boarding is or was illegal; please cite the law, not your interpretation of the law. Why do liberals compare Pelosi and other liberal Democrats against Republicans such as Pelosi to Haslett? Let’s compare her to the responsibilities and authorities of office she holds, and where she fails short. Leaders do not waffle words, exhibit selective memories or blame others. I would rather be blamed for water boarding, than blamed for being the person who had a terrorist in custody who held information on further terrorist’s acts. Give it a rest.

Posted by: mauiman | May 14, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a POS!

Posted by: affirmativeactionpresident | May 14, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

This is all a big game to these people. "Prove what I knew and when I knew it!" It's not about Republican or Democrat. It's about holding OUR government accountable for abusing OUR powers and violating OUR trust. If you want proof as to the complicancy of all involved, pay close attention to not only what they (Congress as well as Administration) said and did back then, but pay particular attention to what they aren't saying or doing now. We don't see the Department of Justice prosecuting Justice, now do we? And we don't see Congress demanding accountability for clear violations of OUR laws or Constitution. Because people (Congress) who live in glass houses, can't throws stones.

Brian Kilcullen ~ Enemies in War

Posted by: TacitusDominatus | May 14, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

The comments section appears to draw an inordinate number of moral relativists: the wingnuts who believe that evil (torture) is good as long as it is the U.S. doing the torturing and the lefties who believe that covering up evil (torture) is good as long as it is a Democrat who is lying.

Fortunately, there appears to be a larger group of folks who recognize that it is wrong to commit evil acts and it is just as wrong to not speak out against evil as it is to do evil.

Posted by: frazeysburger | May 14, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

At least she paid her taxes....well....didn't she?
Oh. Oh.
It's so fun living in the Obamanation.:-(

Posted by: MrDuffyf | May 14, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Bitter_Bill wants to know what Nancy knew about motorboating and when did she know it.

Posted by: lefande | May 14, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

LMAO It was fun watching Pelosi stumble and stammer around and then accuse the CIA of lying. I bet she wishes there had been some other scapegoat available.

Even if they were lying... accusing them of it just was a stupid move. The CIA does what the CIA does..gather, record, document and provide intelligence. The CIA knows more than Pelosi does about what she said and what she knew.

But the best part of all...That deer in the headlights look!

Posted by: Straightline | May 14, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi: Spin hard or die.

Post: Do you think THIS should have been the headline: "acknowledging for the first time publicly she knew alleged terrorist detainees were subjected to waterboarding more than six years ago"?!

Posted by: RealityCheckerInEffect | May 14, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

For those who think they have caught Speaker Pelosi in a lie/compromising situation, here are some things to think about:

1. The Bush adminstration did not come
to her to get her "sign-off" on the
"techniques" being used. They were
going by the letter, if not the
spirit of the law, and informing her
of what they were doing. Does
anyone really think they would have
rethought their actions if she
objected?
2. She was told that she could not
share this information with
anyone, or she would be
committing a National Security
Violation.

So, all of you calling for her head, please tell me what she could have done in that situation? I agree with those who have pointed out that the Republican strategy, as parroted here by right-wing posters, is now to try to change the subject from those who did the deed (Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld, etc.) to any Democrats who were told, and ordered to keep it a secret.

Posted by: bienefes | May 14, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

So we have the worst president in history breaking the law and torturing people, but Nancy cant get her facts straight and NOW someone should resign.

You are all in deep deep denial about what Bush did.

You know who will look terrible in history, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND PRESS FOR NEVER STANDING UP TO BUSH.

This is wrong and this is not America.

Posted by: tallertapas311 | May 14, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Have a little sympathy for Speaker Pelosi. The botox has apparently seeped into her brain, paralyzing it. And who knows how long that brain paralysis has been going on?

Posted by: Rob_ | May 14, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

HORSEPUCKY!

Posted by: chickster | May 14, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse


Has there ever been a bigger Liar as speaker?

I doubt it...


Posted by: Obama_Liar_in_Chief | May 14, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi doesn't strike me as someone who believes in torture. Anyone who thinks Pelosi has the same mindset as Bush and Cheney must be a moron, or a republican. The CIA did lie. Bush and Cheney lied. Republicans are more concerned about Pelosi then what Bush and Cheney DID AND AUTHORIZED. It ain't gonna work republicans, your all going down. We haven't even gotten to the Iraq war yet. Your party is going down.

Posted by: kubrickstan | May 14, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, to think these cowardly males are hiding behind a woman, trying to blame her for their sins. Where have we seen that before? Oh yeah, in the GARDEN OF EDEN STORY in the bible. Didn't Adam try to blame God and Eve for his own duplicity? Where is Bush and Cheney and the entire male cabal who were so pumped to go to war and destroy their enemies? Why are they hiding and trying to blame Pelosi for their crimes for KNOWING ABOUT IT??? What cowards! A real man owns his crime and doesn't hide behind a female.

Posted by: Melaniki | May 14, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Let me ask you idiots something, when Jane Harman wrote the letter , before Kalid Sheikh Muhammad was waterboarded, what was done about waterboarding. Answer that question ,if you are making the Dems complicit, what was done when they raised objections and concerns? I will be waiting. These people go from it worked, and now it is Pelosi knew about, since the evidence that it worked is now being debunked by agents who were there and by the CIA's own Inspector General's report in 2005, which stated that any claims that these techniques worked are dubious. Do you hear Cheney calling for the release of the CIA Inspector General's report, so who is cherrypicking intelligence. They ordered and cherrypicked the legal analysis justifying it and squashed any legal dissent within the Bush Administration. Wait until the prosecutor put the screws Bybe and Yoo and they reveal that they were ordered to write a justification and not offer an objective legal analysis. This ever shifting argument we have heard from Cheney before from it worked to Pelosi knew about it, sounds like Deja Vu. Remember they have WMD, Saddam is linked to Al-Qaeda (which by the way was an intentional lie, because any intelligence expert or any middle eastern expert in the world could have told them that Al-Qaeda and Saddam were mortal enemies) and finally the last justification for Iraq evolved into the Bush and Cheney Clans claim that we did it to spread democracy. Please, please I am waiting for a conservative to explain why the videotaped of the waterboard interrogations were destroyed? If they were so harmless and effective why would they would they get rid of conclusive evidence that would exculpate their claims against the reccomendation of the CIA Inspector General? I have been waiting for 6 weeks for a conservative anywhere to explain to me why the got rid of the waterboarding tapes? I am waiting for a coherent argument. Why did they not show Pelosi the actual tapes of Abu Zubaida getting waterboarded and then decide if she objected? She would have been sworn to secrecy. Why not.

Posted by: impartial1 | May 14, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Any who does not see this as politics at its classic worst is blind or stupid. Democrats did not claim torture until they saw it advantageous, then defined interrogation as torture. Dem Congress approved GWOT until they saw advantage to oppose GWOT. While POTUS Clinton, claimed Iraq had WMD, until Dems decided to oppose Bush in Iraq, and claimed Bush, but not Clinton, lied. Dem majority Congress approved Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac toxic loans and massive budget increases that destroyed our economy under Bush, and then blamed Bush (partly, not solely culpable). Obama campaigns against Bush (message: to change from Bush, must vote Democrat, else you keep "Bush"). Obama promised end to Iraq to get elected, now prolongs Iraq. Wake up, rise up, before it's too late!

Posted by: jassinger | May 14, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I have been voting Democratic since 1972 and I have never been more disgusted with the Democratic Party.

They are NO better than republicans.

I will never vote for any of them ever again. They are ALL lying, two-faced, hypocritical CRIMINALS.

Posted by: solsticebelle | May 14, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Way to go, Pelosi. Your new claim that you were just naive and stupid (or as you mischaracterize it in an effort to avoid responsibility -- "misled") is a much more credible defense in your case.

Too bad you didn't run with the "stupid and naive" defense at the outset of this scandal of yours rather than going with your "big whopper" defense. Now it just looks like you are a confessed liar who is self-admittedly naive and stupid, too.

It also doesn't inspire any confidence in your "leadership" to read that you now are an admitted coward who lacked the courage to speak up way back whenever it was that you claim to have first learned the truth, or whatever "truth" you are now selling.

Ignorant? Misled? Stupid? Naive? Liar? And coward? Even assuming that any of your shifting stories were true (which has the same odds as the existence of the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy), you still have do deal with your abject failure to do your job that supposedly had something to do with exercising "oversight" -- didn't it?

Guess your admission to being a "total incompetent" will be your next defense.

Please keep digging.

J

Posted by: JRS2U | May 14, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a member of the Leadership of Liars controlling the Democratic Party & mainstream media. They feel free to lie because the media is mostly supporting them, and they believe the American public is too stupid to do or say anything about it.

Posted by: bob59 | May 14, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

FTA:
"She [Pelosi] said that in February 2003, after her aide relayed the information about the use of waterboarding, Pelosi learned that Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.), who had just replaced Pelosi as the top Democrat on the intelligence committee, wrote a letter to the CIA general counsel questioning the techniques and whether President Bush knew of their use."

So did Pelosi sign that letter?

What kept Pelosi from writing such a letter when she was informed in 2002?

Posted by: spamsux1 | May 14, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Bush and Cheney did not keep this country safe -- these attacks are sporadic, and they will attack again when they so deem. Al Quaeda is not even that energetic or active, they are biding their time, and gaining recruits for now. Those people in uniforms at airports will not stop the next attack, which will be elsewhere. What they did do was magnify the problem by fanning the flames, declaring all out war on a vague enemy (and thus legitimating anyone who wants to join "the other side" and then lost us the high moral ground. Talk about weakening a country.

Posted by: johnnormansp | May 14, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"If anyone beleives the dribble that comes from Nancy Pelosi, I'll sell them my share of the Brooklyn Bridge.

Posted by: alshumate |"
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You bought a share of the Brooklyn Bridge?, hahahaha SUCKER!, you must be a republican!

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Hey Nancy why not use the BHO approach and blame it on Bush? I see a pattern of "it's not my fault." Clinton with Monica, Barry with the Reverend Wright, and now it's Nancy.
Liar, liar, pants on fire

Posted by: tgambogi | May 14, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

SO WHAT!!!

This just means one more name added to the Special Prosecutors list to investigate.

The need is to find out what happened, how it happened, punish those that broke the law, and ensure it NEVER happens again.

Posted by: Hawaiianstyle | May 14, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

This wicked witch of the west should step down. She has now shown herself to be a liar in addition to her lack of brainpower. She spits venom constantly. The fact that she became Speaker of the House belittles that instituion. She sure doesn't speak for me. She says she was mislead, hell she just isn't smart enough to process the information that the intelligence community gave her.

After the next radical muslem attack on America, you who object to this so called torture will be screaming to know why intelligence failed. (Your did it my friends.)

PS you hard core dem's cannot keep blaming Bush and Cheney much longer, in case you hadn't noticed they are gone. You will soon be forced to blame your own selection.

By the way, the radical muslems view torture a little differenly, aka Daniel Pearl, they held his head up for the world to see no longer attached to the body.
Wake up people.

Posted by: texian1 | May 14, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

The Speaker has been bobbing and weaving for days on this and still seems to be trying to respin herself to some sort of maral purity. Every excuse just gets her deeper in the goo of her own making.

I don't care if you objected to waterboarding or not, you have to be crazy not to want to recall a person like this from her position of public trust

Posted by: DOps | May 14, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Pelosi has been caught in a series of lies and now she continues her misleading statements and denials. Isn't there any limit to how low some politicians will go? And to think that she is third in line for the Presidency! How scary for our country.

Posted by: BrerFox
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Let's see. How low CAN some politicians go?

1. Establish TORTURE as offical U.S. policy.
2. Illegally wiretap American's phones.
3. Illegally intercept American's email.
4. Intentionally expose a CIA undercover operative's identity to get back at a political opponent.
5. Lie to the American people and fabricate intelligence in order to start a war that was NOT necessary. And that resulted in the deaths of over 4,500 US military and the wounding of 10s of thounsands more.
6. Let New Orleans drown while having a photo op aboard AF1 (which was then sold to raise campaign funds).
7. Establish secret CIA run prisons around the world and use them to torture prisoners.
8. Use "personal loyality" to Bush as a litmus test for Justice Department hires.
9. Using high ranking governemnt officials to benefit Republican political candidates (in violation of the Hatch Act).
10. Allowing Osama bin Laden to escape from U.S. forces when he was surrounded, by pulling them out to do a recon in Iraq for Bush's illegal war.
11. Driving the U.S. ecnomy into the worst recession since the Great Depression.
12. Firing U.S. Attorneys because they would not presceute Democrats for political gain.
etc.
etc.
etc

Posted by: lgaide | May 14, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Right. They fooled you into supporting the Iraq war. They fooled you into supporting waterboarding. So who's the fool? What's your excuse for not resigning?

Posted by: Peejay | May 14, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

" to the best of my recollection " ....that's what we'll hear next......take all the money you and your husband stole from us and go away.

Posted by: nobama2012 | May 14, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi was prohibited by law from saying anything at the time.

Posted by: Heerman532 | May 14, 2009 12:41 PM
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For those of you who maintain that she couldn't have done anything and so this doesn't matter, I have a simple question: What, exactly, is the purpose of oversight?

I thought it was, at a minimum, so that members of Congress from both sides of the aisle could provide guidance and register objections (even if not public, if required by security issues) to the thing being overseen. If she was powerless to do anything, well then it sort of defeats the purpose of oversight, now doesn't it?

Posted by: Muddyone | May 14, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi should have said from the beginning. "The CIA and the previous administration lied to me so I am not at fault for lying." Let blame everything on the previous administration, when things go bad. What happens to Check and Balance.

Posted by: hvdo2001 | May 14, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Liar, liar pants on fire, your nose is longer then a telephone wire. Remember that one Nancy.

They all really think we are stupid.

She should of stated, at the time I thought it to be the right decission, not as House Speaker... I didn't check the facts. I agree with curious 3, step down! You can't do the job.

Posted by: glillis | May 14, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

CIA is misleading they use harsh interrogation techniques on Abu Zabeda over a 100 times ... So why would you trust them over Speaker Pelosi. HU????
Sheepeoples!!!!!!!!!!!

The Wolf

Posted by: billyvonh | May 14, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Liar, liar pants on fire, your nose is longer then a telephone wire. Remember that one Nancy.

They all really think we are stupid.

She should of stated, at the time I thought it to be the right decission, not as House Speaker... I didn't check the facts. I agree with curious 3, step down! You can't do the job.

Posted by: glillis | May 14, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Nancy can't seem to get her story straight. She's been hanging around Bill Clinton a lot, so what do you expect. Maybe, she's going to be Monica's replacement. I've gotten to the point where I don't trust either party or their representatives. Throw them all out. What a bunch of crooks !!

Posted by: richard36 | May 14, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

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If the Republicans think this alone is going to take the blame away from them they are wrong. Pelosi's involvement, one way or another, is not material.
Posted by: hmmmmmer | May 14, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse
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Oh, but her involvment is material. Part of the process put into place for inteligence activities is to inform congress. Congreess could have put a stop to this activity AND DIDN'T. They were informed, and this has always been the position put forward by the previous administration. Pelosi's has changed her tune so many times she is starting to sound like Rush L.

I agree with the water boarding, they should have cut their fingers off in my book. But, be that as it may. Because the crap is hitting the fan because not everyone agree's... The dem's, as usual... Are lieing about their own part of it. As much as I HATE Cheny. At least he has the guts to flat out say he wanted that activity. He, unlike your scum bag pig pelusi has some guts.

Remember moron, pelusi wanted to place as the head of the inteligence committie a man that was impeached by the democratic party for taking bribes. And YOU have the balls to cry about the republicans.

your scum, your toall fkn scum. Why don't you just shut the f up and reconize your party is AS RESPONSIBLE as the other party.

But, I think I said it best. You people don't have the balls to do that. That, and your very good at forgetting your own tarnished history.

Reason to not be a republican.
Cheny.
Reason to not be a democrat.
People like you.

Vote independent, outlaw both republicans and democrats. They are fools that are destorying this nation. AND YOU ARE A PRIMARY EXAMPLE OF THAT.

Posted by: LiberalBasher | May 14, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

She voted for the war before she voted against the war but after she was house leader and before Obama became saviour and and Bush was out of office but not before the surge worked so that later when another report came out it was okay to demand a truth commision because by then no one could figure out if her hairdresser knew for sure if the skin tuck in her face had really given her that death's head rictus grin or if it was really a case of Nancy Pelosi is a shrew faced facist harpy who'd drive a HumVee over her grandchildren to get another moment of fame and blame the GOP becasue the road wasn't designed to save children from her predations.

Posted by: China_Rider | May 14, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi is either the dullest knife in a drawer with a lot of dull knives, or ... she is lying through her teeth. Either way, SHE HAS LOST CREDIBILITY AS A LEADER. If the San Francisco crowd wants to reelect her as their rep.. then fine. BUT GOD SAVE US FROM THIS DULLARD as a Speaker! Steney Hoyer -- Step up and show some leadership, and back off those stupid hearings!!

Posted by: wheeljc | May 14, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Poor little innocent. She wants us to think that she is naive or something. She has been exposed as a liar. When are these people ever going to learn to fess up when you are caught on something instead of trying to weasel your way out of it. Of course I forget they are all a pack of weasels to begin with. It is all one big croney system gone wild. Well I hope this one gets her comeupance this time around.

Posted by: flcraker | May 14, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi wasn't the one doing the torture, nor did she initiate the practice of torture. Whether she was informed of it or not isn't the key issue - the fact that the U.S. govt. under Bush instituted a program of torture is, and what are we going to do about that? Shouldn't someone besides a handful of lowly prison guards at a prison in Iraq be held accountable?

Posted by: adhughes | May 14, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Now the story changes. hmm, wasn't it I didn't know, now it's I know but they mislead me. What a crock. Obviously the arsenic poison shots continually used to prevent aginig is seaping into her brain. Shes gone completely wacky now.

Posted by: Jaymand | May 14, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Republicans will always blame someone else for their bad decisions. Nancy Pelosi is a great leader. The Bush Administration misled the nation, congress and the world to go to war with Iraq and now they are blaming others for their blunders.

Posted by: JoseOrtiz2 | May 14, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Waterboarding was ruled LEGAL by the US Supreme Court. Until that ruling is overturned, the use of waterboarding as an interrogation technique is, was, and will continue to be LEGAL. Is it uncomfortable, yes. Torture, it was determined - no.

If a poll were taken during the days following 9-11-2001, I'll bet very few US citizens would have had any problem with waterboarding. How did so many Americans become so soft and sympathetic to the enemy?

Posted by: BigMoneyWeezie | May 14, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

"The difference here is that Bush/Cheney never pretended they weren't involved."

wrong, Mr. Bush completely denied it.

"America does not torture."

That's a whopping lie from a sitting President.

We are not in the Nixon era:
"If the President does it, it is not illegal."

Posted by: vigor | May 14, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Starting with Pelosi, the hacks on Capitol Hill are totally out of touch the American people. And the media, whom the American public has trusted in the past to balance these loons, has lined up with them.

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It's our destiny, stupid.

Posted by: JAH3 | May 14, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans just keep digging a deeper and deeper hole for themselves, go ahead, point the finger at Pelosi who refused to commit treason by making classified information public.

and keep the torture debate alive.

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi is so stupid she needs to get on the floor to find her IQ. She calls for "truth commissions" to cheer her America-hating campaign funds contributors, but isn't able to hide the fact she knew and supported what Bush and Cheney were doing.

Posted by: pgr88 | May 14, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Let's all find out who ordered what and who knew what and when - INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATOR NOW! Pres. Obama, stop trying to shove this under a rug - do your job!

Posted by: sux123 | May 14, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

"I have been voting Democratic since 1972 and I have never been more disgusted with the Democratic Party.

They are NO better than republicans.

I will never vote for any of them ever again. They are ALL lying, two-faced, hypocritical CRIMINALS.

Posted by: solsticebelle | May 14, 2009 1:07 PM"
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You are a liar and a Republican Troll

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

As a pragmatist and non-aligned to any one party...SHE NEEDS TO GO!!! She reminds me of a tonic sales man.

Seriously, there is better leadership within the Democratic ranks (I feel the same way about Boehner and the Republican party).

Everyone got railroaded post 9/11 given that Bush and crew politized the terrible event for political gain (point to post 9/11 elections..when Max Cleland..a guy who served his country and lost three limbs..was voted out because he was "not patriotic enough").

Posted by: chefra | May 14, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Her fated was sealed when after she met with the Holy Father in Rome in March, she lied about what she was told in the meeting. The French used to say: "Qui mange Pape, mourt" ("s/he who eats Pope, dies": figuratively). As she was able to be untruthful after her meeting with the Vicar of Christ, what consideration were you expecting she'd have with a bunch of news-hungry little journalists in DC?

Posted by: dantefigueroa | May 14, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

In the real world of law, a person who knows of a crime and does not report it is guilty of a crime. All you liberal goofballs get real. Want to prosecute Bush/Cheney, let's prosecute all the Dem's in Congress!!!

Posted by: rustynailx | May 14, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, the CIA never lies about anything. Yeah, Pelosi is a liar and Bush and Cheney are squeaky clean. Yeah, lets put the blame of Pelosi and ignore the facts. Republicans are scum. They will never get my vote, ever.

Posted by: kubrickstan | May 14, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

"The safety and well being of this country validates any means necessary to ensure that.Bush/Cheney kept this country safe for 7 1/2 years."

In that case, I guess you must consider Pelosi a hero, right? She helped "keep this country safe." So what if she's denying her complicity now? Cheney is doing plenty of denying too. Bush did his share. "The United States does not torture." Outright lies from both of them. Why are their lies OK but Pelosi's is not? If, in fact, Pelosi is lying. We know for sure Bush and Cheney lied.

Posted by: Reason7 | May 14, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Speaker Pelosi represents the sludge left at the bottom of the House of Representatives bucket when the decent and half-way decent members are poured off. The most disturbing aspect of her behavior is that she apparently thinks the citizens are stupid enough to believe her explanations.

Posted by: dbakerranch | May 14, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

To all the "it doesn't matter if she lied, Bush Co, TORTURED people" you have to remember one thing - a lot of folks (me included) don't CARE that Bush Co tortured the terrorists. We don't care one bit. In fact, we actually applaud it. Now, this might offend your liberal ideals and sensibilities, but let me reiterate - WE DON'T CARE.

Pelosi is a liar, plain and simple. She has been caught red-handed. She should step down and slink off into a black hole where she belongs.

Posted by: Snowdog | May 14, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is an outright liar.

Let's go Penguins !

Breaking great - fantastic news - Maryland basketball lost out on a possible great recruit - Deshawn Painter announced he is going to NC State.

Maryland football will finish with a 2-10 record in 2009.

Maryland basketball will finish with a 15-16 record in 2009-10 -- No NCAA bid - No NIT bid.

Gary Williams is probably on the golf course.

Carolina Blue - Carolina WHITE - Go Tar Heels - Let's go Tar Heels

Posted by: hclark1 | May 14, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

She was probably in the briefing where she learned that 500 million jobs were being lost every month.

Posted by: thecomedian | May 14, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Tallertapas---the Repubs have NEVER owned the press, never will. And you Dems who keep going back to Bush/Cheney did it, don't focus on Pelosi? Probably the same ones who, with Pelosi, said it was none of our business what Billy had done with Monica, ignoring the FACT that he, the Prez of the US, lied to a grand jury. We can see right through your diversionary attempts, sorry.

Posted by: rjmoore12 | May 14, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

This might explain a lot of the apparent spinelessness towards the Bush team we've seen over the past couple of years. "Impeachment is off the table" always did sound like Pelosi's half of a deal to me.

Sounds like Pelosi might be deserving of a cell next to Bush and Cheney.

And maybe Reid isn't a cowardly worm after all. Maybe he's just a co-conspirator with the Bush team. Someone needs to take a hard look at him.

The people who enabled the illegal Bush policies need to go to prison. And it doesn't matter if they have a "D" or an "R" after their name.

Posted by: MorganaLeFay | May 14, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Riiiight...

Whatever Nancy.

Posted by: MUPPET | May 14, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I listened to Nancy Pelosi today. She made very clear statements about an event in late 2002 and another event in early 2003. She said nothing about about an event in 2004, yet most of the news surrounds a CIA report referring to some briefing in 2004.

I am beginning to hear echos of the OJ trial. However, an adequate timeline is very important. Also, attempts to detract from the facts as the Republicans are doing with their not-so-vailed attempts at political blackmail should be tackled by the media. If the media had questioned Bush policies and statements as hard as they tackled Pelosi today, I wonder what the outcome would have been then.

Posted by: EarlC | May 14, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

The whole thing stinks. Anybody involved should be identified. This isn't a Republican/Democrat issue, its about the trusted people in our government.
We need to label people we can't trust to maintain our values.

Posted by: willum98e | May 14, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

theRealCalGal,

the article refered to the fact that Pelosi lied. I simply wanted to point that out and this makes me a ReThuglican?

Posted by: hvdo2001 | May 14, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Resign. You have betrayed your party and its constituents. You should not be majority leader, that's for certain!

It's pretty obvious that you are trying to hide the truth, which is that (for whatever reason) you did not speak out against waterboarding.

Posted by: mrg11 | May 14, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"

Pelosi wasn't the one doing the torture, nor did she initiate the practice of torture. Whether she was informed of it or not isn't the key issue - the fact that the U.S. govt. under Bush instituted a program of torture is, and what are we going to do about that?

Posted by: adhughes | May 14, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse "

What should be done? NOTHING. I hope we continue to "torture" them.

Posted by: Snowdog | May 14, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

She needs to go. I want someone with more transparency. We need a democrat that is not considered an congressional elite. Polosi radiates arrogance.

Posted by: ArchieHaase | May 14, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

This is the same person who is going to ram through a multi-trillion dollar government run health care intiative! Glad you all voted for change, hahahahah.

Posted by: Alangc2 | May 14, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Nancy's a good person and a good speaker of the house.

But its hard to forgive her for taking the impeachment of Bush/Cheney "off the table"

Democrats have to hold themdselves to a much higher standard than Republcans if they want to maintain power.

Republicans violated America's trust.

No matter how hard the path, Democrats should, and must do the right, thing for America and Americans.

That's what being a Democrat is all about.

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Regarding whether or not Nancy Pelosi is trying to deflect blame to others depends on the truth of the situation. If a person didn't steal something but is accused of doing the stealing, how do you suggest that he defend himself? Put yourself in Nancy Pelosi's shoes and think about how you would respond to false accusations.

Posted by: EarlC | May 14, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

What don't you understand??????????????/
Pelosi said.."the only mention of torture and waterboarding that was mentioned by the CIA was that IT WAS NOT BEING PRACTICED! How the hell can Pelosi be blamed for something if the CIA told her that torture was not being used in 2002?

Posted by: kubrickstan | May 14, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I wish anyone who knew about this had called a news conference on the first day that they knew, but I realize that is a bit much to ask when you're being told that what you're being told is classified and repeating it is treason.

However, people who want to blame Pelosi for knowing and exonerate the architects and engineers are a real piece of work.

Posted by: SarahBB | May 14, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

The Botox Babe is fighting for her career. She is a control freak who is no longer able to have her way.

Barack lies better than Nancy and he will take care of business if Nancy's pranks affect the public perception of the Democrat Party.

So long Nancy. You showed many of us why being a politician is held in low esteem.

Posted by: sagereader | May 14, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi: It's the Marsh Mice's fault.

Posted by: dashriprock | May 14, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Is there no one with any integrity in Washington???? Maybe some of those buried in Arlington, but certainly not any of those still with the power of speech the other side of the Potomac. What a sorry situation.

Posted by: beachnut | May 14, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Republicans do not have a problem with waterboarding or other enhanced interrogation methods, and therefore feel no one should be "blamed" for it. They do not beleive anyone should be punished for it. On the contrary, they feel it should be continued. Democrats are the ones that feel it is torture and illegal. Republicans are asking a simple question: if you thought it was illegal, then why did you support it or not oppose it when briefed on it years ago?

Republicans aren't trying to shift blame, per say, but only point out hypocrisy. Hypocrisy on both sides rightly deserves to be highlighted.

Posted by: Black5jack | May 14, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

1st she wasn’t briefed at all, now she was mislead, whatever. This woman has no credibility.

Posted by: susan431 | May 14, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I also hope the entire CIA does a walkout since pelosi threw them under the bus, she can do their job herself.

Posted by: thecomedian | May 14, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Lefty,

I'm with you. Lets have an investigation and hand down indictments, regardless of which political party the wrongdoers belong to. First question: what did you know and when did you know it?

tallertapas,

You apparently don't know the legal definition of complicity. You cannot rationalize away Pelosi's guilt in this matter just because you happen to like her politics. No one (at least not me) is saying that Bush was blameless--far from it. However, Pelosi aided and abetted his crimes by remaining conveniently silent. She was 'complicite' or his accomplice. And you have to resort to digging up Nixon? Well now, that certainly is logical and germane to the topic at hand.

Posted by: hisroc | May 14, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

"Waterboarding was ruled LEGAL by the US Supreme Court. Until that ruling is overturned, the use of waterboarding as an interrogation technique is, was, and will continue to be LEGAL. Is it uncomfortable, yes. Torture, it was determined - no."

waterboarding isn't legal. never was.
How about all the other tactics?

and I don't mean by Jay Bybee and John Yoo's standards...

Why are there so many dead people at the hands of US interrogators?

If these were our soldiers in other country's hands, you'd be livid.

Where are the CIA videotapes?
Why were they destroyed?
Who destroyed them?
At who's direction?

Posted by: vigor | May 14, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I am seriously starting to believe that the Rove\Cheney crew are recruiting high school kids to populate blogs with garbage and nonsense. The similarity of these attacks at all internet sites is not to be believed.

The same ignorant and inaccurate facts keep coming up to be a coincidence. If the idea is to obfuscate to protect the criminal acts of the past, it is not going to work.

America is too great a place to let evil run amok. Thank God you all have Obama to fix things!

Posted by: fide | May 14, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi, Dodd, Frank / Bush, McCain, Romney etc...

They all lie.

And the worst part is that we continue to support them because we are afraid of the unknown.

Afraid that we can't make it without a government bailout or the latest stimulus check.

Politicians are pathetic with their constant lying and stealing from the public treasury...but we are fools to continue to allow such a system to continue.

Blow it all up and start all over?

No.

But the system needs some serious tweaking to bring back power to the people and a government that serves them instead of feathering politicians nests.

Posted by: jrealty | May 14, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

She and Jane Harman both need to go.

Posted by: slim2 | May 14, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

If Pelosi knew or din not, or any other person, Repugnant or Democrat did or did not is irrelevant. We need to give Dick Cheney the death penalty. DEATH PENALTY FOR DICK CHENEY NOW

Posted by: erikavanheusen | May 14, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi should be ashamed of herself, but she's long passed that. This Political Gargoyle has no face left to save. Time to do the right thing Nan get moving.

Posted by: ALL-AMERICAN1 | May 14, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

WOW the Neocons are at full court press to distract and distort the facts.

Like Nancy Pelosi every FSO in the world was also lied to about WMD, 9/11, terrorism and given manipulated information.

Ther is nothing but disgust for the Neocons who put us in a dire position.

If they want to violate the Constitution ..
we should temporarily do the same. Using their same logic.

Waterboard and Terrorize and make them walk a thousand miles.

Fei Hu

Posted by: Fei_Hu | May 14, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing to observe the powerful when they are exposed and made to squirm in their own (you know what) - what's that saying… the bigger they are the harder they fall - I would say Madam Speaker is in the twilight of her speaker-ship!

Posted by: zevposner | May 14, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

So, she just admitted to being incompetent and failing in her representation of the people. Time to hang it up.

Posted by: mellwood1 | May 14, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi accuses the previous administration of misleading the Congress at every step of the way; Pelosi is trying to mislead the American people every step of the way. She doesn't take responsibility for her office or for her actions.

Posted by: hinman14america | May 14, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Note to whining liberals. Waterboarding is NOT TORTURE. It leaves no injuries, scars or damage. It is not physically painful it just scares the HELL out of you. If someone knew who was holding my child I would rip their lungs out if I had to. GROW UP PEOPLE. The US is the greatest country in history. Where is it written that Americans must meekly submit to terror? Any of these ILLEGAL COMBATANTS in Gitmo could have been shot on the battlefield but all we've heard from you twits for 7 years is "Bush lied" "Cheney is a criminal" blah blah blah. Not true no matter how often you hold your breath and chant it. Spoiled brats.

Posted by: toneal2675 | May 14, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I CAN ONLY HOPE SOMEONE WILL GIVE DICK CHENEY THE TORTURATOR DICTATOR HIS OWN MEDICINE AND THEN POST THE "EVENT" ON THE INTERNET FOR ALL OF US TO CELEBRATE.

Posted by: erikavanheusen | May 14, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Why did Cheney ignore intelligence and let 911 happen?

And why did he let Bin Laden escape?


Posted by: lichtme | May 14, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I love watching this as a conservative watching these liberals. They thought that George Bush was dumb, but I don't believe that Bush was ever this dumb. You want to bet that even in San Fransico she might not get reelected again.

Posted by: Cbergklint0001 | May 14, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

She is such a scum bag...
Can the people of SF get it together and vote Joan Rivers out of Congress? Pretty please?

Posted by: billy8 | May 14, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

First Paul Kane states:
“House Speaker Nancy Pelosi today accused the CIA of "misleading" her on the use of harsh interrogation techniques in the fall of 2002, acknowledging for the first time publicly she knew alleged terrorist detainees were subjected to waterboarding more than six years ago.”
And then Paul Kane states:
"Pelosi called for the CIA to release detailed portions of her own September 2002 briefing about interrogation techniques, saying that at that time she was told the CIA was not waterboarding detainees."
These 2 statements apparently contradict each other. What is Mr. Kane trying to say? Has the Post laid off all of their editors? Please clarify this piece of muddled writing.

Posted by: patriot17 | May 14, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I find the entire discussion of torture or "hard core" interrogation to be lacking one very simple undeniable fact - we are at war! and as we all know war is not pretty - bad things are done by good people during war. Take an 18 year old soldier that we would give a ticket to stateside for running a red light yet in the theatre of war we put a machine in his or her hand and tell them to KILL! - Come home and do that you are a criminal do it during war on the battlefield and you are a hero! - these are not contradictions - the rules of engagement in war and peace - for soldiers and civilians are dramatically different - we all know the example often stated - if you know someone who knows were your child is and your child is in imminent danger and this person is complicit and desires your child be hurt the last thing on your mind is the question of how harsh your interrogation of this person is - you will do everything in your power and use whatever means at your disposal - yes! you will beat the living daylights out of this person and if that does not work take a flame to their extremities - cut off fingers - pull teeth - you get the idea - all in an attempt to extract the information you need to save your child. The circumstances in that example are such that they change the entire moral compass of what is right and wrong for that moment.

The civilian criminal justice system is not applicable to the theatre of war - yes there are accepted codes of conduct in war and torture is recognized as off limits in war time battlefield interrogation as is considered a war crime - terrorist activities which is the planning of and the intent to bring great harm to unsuspecting and unprepared innocent civilians is also off limits even in war and is not even given the distinction of being considered a war time activity – it is terrorism! Trying to figure out the next move of the terrorist is not a battlefield interrogation – it is trying to figure out where they are holding your daughter before they cut her head off! Terrorism is a new and evolving theatre of operation and the reality of needing to combine the fighting of war and terrorism simultaneously against the same enemy does not lend itself to the Geneva Convention all the time – we are along way from the days of enemy combatants getting together at the line and playing cards all night then returning to their positions to shoot at each other during the day! You knew that guy was not planning to bomb the day care center your daughter was at! – and anyone that spouts the line “we need to carry ourselves above them” is carrying themselves in the clouds and needs to lay off the good stuff for a while

Posted by: zevposner | May 14, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

fide --

You're probably right. Nobody but a child or a sociopath could support the current Republican agenda.

Republicans are doing everything they can to prevent sick and dying kids with Cancer from getting medical treatment and pain medication.

If they can be that cruel, every American is at risk of losing everything if they ever let Republicans get near the levers of power again.


Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

WOW
Let's blame Pelosi for Bush and Cheney authorizing torture. More ridiculousness from Republicans.

Posted by: muslit | May 14, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I love watching this as a conservative watching these liberals. They thought that George Bush was dumb, but I don't believe that Bush was ever this dumb. You want to bet that even in San Fransico she might not get reelected again.

Posted by: Cbergklint0001 | May 14, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Coming from someone who is center left, I agree completely. Not only is she a moron, but she is a liar and an opportunist. Get rid of her. Quickly.

Posted by: billy8 | May 14, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

If Pelosi had told us about the torturing when she first learned about it, she wouldn't need to resign now as some are suggesting.

She would already be in jail for leaking classified intelligence.

The only reason she was told in the first place was so Lindsey Graham and Republicans could point their finger at a Democrat if or when the truth came out.

Posted by: timothy2me | May 14, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Her explanation does not work, nor is it credible. Republican or Democrat, they all need to be replaced by the voters and new bunch put in place. Their terms must be limited so that they do not become career politicians dependent on the need to acquire huge sums of money to stay in office. None of them are credible becuase their allegence is to their party not their country and County and Party are not the same thing!

Posted by: rappo12447 | May 14, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

For all of you Nancy lovers out there who insist she wasn't capable of standing up to Bush or Cheney on waterboarding because of whatever reason, let me remind you what LEADER means: Standing up for what you believe even in the face of adversity. After all, isn't that why you voted for her or someone like her? Well then, just because this article mentions waterboarding, the ISSUE of this article is that Ms. Pelosi is quite simply, A LIAR. Now, don't be a hypocrit, you sit there and insist that Bush and Cheney lied to get us into a war, but you don't hold your LEADER accountable for her lies. That makes you a HYPOCRIT.

Posted by: provocative1 | May 14, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Trying to pin the waterboarding on Pelosi is just what Cheney would do. Cheney was one of Nixon's boys during the Watergate scandal. Cheney hasn't changed a bit.

Posted by: what444 | May 14, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

This is a giant diversion by the GOP and the media is falling right into it. Regardless of whether anyone likes her or not, she is not the one won conceived, developed or implemented torture by our forces. If the GOP continues to get people to take their eyes off the ball in this situation, they will avoid accountability for their actions and our country will not successfully eradicate this disease from our national psyche.

Posted by: cdierd1944 | May 14, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I didn't know. OK, I knew but not until afterward. OK, I knew all the time but was mislead. I don't think she remembers !!! Hell, it was just torture. She had Republicans to fry at the time. She is becoming a real hoot.

Posted by: VaBroker | May 14, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama's inexperience is really showing on this subject. Can we move past this torture mess and solve some real problems. The only people really interested are some Bush hating Democrats and MSNBC. W and Chaney are gone dudes. You need some new whipping boys.

Posted by: StJohn1 | May 14, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama and Pelosi got elected by pandering to the the "hate America" crowd, and now that they have power in Washington are discovering that they are the America which their voters hate.

i.e. All their bad Karma is coming back to haunt them.

Posted by: pkhenry | May 14, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Republicans posting claiming to be Democrats don't fool anyone.

But they do make us Democrats hate Republicans on a personal level.

Keep up the good work guys.

You show the rest of us just how vile you are.

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it. There was nothing she could do. She was in the minority party and the briefing was secret.

What's the point of the conservative attacks on her? Are they saying she alone, a minority legislator, knew with absolute certainty about it, and should have spoken up? I thought they did NOT want any protests against torture.

Blame the torturers and the people in control and who approved it, like the GOP administration, not someone who could not do anything about it.

Posted by: AlanGoldberg54 | May 14, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"

Republicans posting claiming to be Democrats don't fool anyone.

But they do make us Democrats hate Republicans on a personal level.

Keep up the good work guys.

You show the rest of us just how vile you are.

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy"

Trust me, the feeling is mutual.

Posted by: Snowdog | May 14, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I believe her. It's obvious that she doesn't have a clue about what's going on 99% of the time anyways so why should this issue be any different?

Posted by: FLvet | May 14, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

More lies form the most corrupt Republican led Administration in America's History..They are the terrible gift that keeps on giving.

Posted by: nallcando | May 14, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Ptriot17 - well done - i was kind of thinking the same thing - how is she being mislead if she says she knew but she did not know.... so let me get this straight - I am using her words here - she now admits to misleading us but in the process is now saying she was mislead - she never was briefed but now she wants the briefing made public - man i am dizzy....

Posted by: zevposner | May 14, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Everyone knew that Bush and Cheney lied to go to war, and they did the attack on 9/11 so they can get Carte Blanche to do whatever they want.

Posted by: simonbm | May 14, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi: "Water!?!boarding? I thought you said Surf!!boarding."

And I think this kind of malicious jabber is just plain wrong: If Pelosi knew or din not, or any other person, Repugnant or Democrat did or did not is irrelevant. We need to give Dick Cheney the death penalty. DEATH PENALTY FOR DICK CHENEY NOW

Posted by: erikavanheusen | May 14, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: neilbourjaily | May 14, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Nancy voted for waterboarding before she voted against it. It's very clear Nancy doesn't know Dick (Cheney).

Posted by: gorams1 | May 14, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse


The Lib Dem minions that are defending this Political Hack Traitor are as embarrassing as she is.

Posted by: FraudObama | May 14, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

If Bush and Cheney and there administration could fool Americans about invading Iraq..fooling Pelosi would be child's play. You want a full investigation republicans..you got it. "NEXT STOP IRAQ." These were Bush's exact words when we initially went into Afghanistan. There will be a full investigation into the torture mess...and when that's done, we'll find out the real reason why Bush and Cheney went into Iraq and why no bid contracts were awarded to Haliburton before Bush even invaded Iraq.

Posted by: kubrickstan | May 14, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Ever see the movie "Casualties of War?"

Soldier Michael J. Fox suffers a crisis of conscience when the men on his patrol rape and murder a Vietnamese girl and then try to cover up the crime.

A significant scene in the movie is when the army chaplin finds him in a bar and he breaks down and tells of the atrocities he witnessed and says something like "and I was helpless to prevent it."

Republican George the Worst and his bloodthirsty, lying administration conceived and authorized the waterboarding atrocities, and yes, Democrat Nancy Pelosi did not know that, as she was being briefed in September 2002 about the POSSIBILITY of these procedures being used, they were in fact ALREADY being used. That is what she is saying.

And even if she was told, in February 2003 (note the before/after elections timeline here), that the techniques were being used, she was helpless to prevent them.

FURTHER hypocrisy comes from Republican John Boehner who seems to be criticizing Pelosi out of one side of his mouth and defending the atrocities out of the other.

The Republican Majority Leader in 2003 was Tom (The Hammer) DeLay.

Posted by: dotellen | May 14, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please check the Haliburton web site?

I believe they must have a new contract to populate blogs with folks who support Dick Cheney (A man with a 30% popularity rating could not possibly have this many supporters; this country is not that ignorant!)

Dick took your money and now he is laughing his head off.

Posted by: fide | May 14, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Well, Pelosi has made an accusation, let her back it up. If she can, she'll have some momentum to demand some serious changes at the CIA and I can't see anything but good in that.

But if Pelosi is just trying to cover for her ineptitude (if not outright lying) then she should resign as Speaker. Beyond that, let her constituents decide.

Posted by: bigbrother1 | May 14, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

1. She knew and she lied. She must step down.
2. She is so naive that she can be "misled" she is too naive to lead. She must step down.

With "leadership" such as this we are in very deep trouble.

Posted by: staterighter | May 14, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Just being a democrat does not whitewash this - part of this last election was a desire to lose corrupt, power abusing politicians regardless of party afiliation

Posted by: enuf | May 14, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Cheney should be hanged in public and let the public toss his body like what the Italians did with Mosolini's body.
He is thug, a terrorist and a devil.
Hug him and let the public urinate on his body

Posted by: simonbm | May 14, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

snowdog --

That's good to know. Democrats need to realize that Republicans view them as "blood enemies" and stop bringing candy and flowers to a knife fight.

Republicans are truly vile people that deny pain medication to kids and teens dying of Cancer.

People that vile are beyond redemption.

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Another take..She was present, was briefed, but is to much of a bubble head to understand what was being described...

Posted by: rgtice | May 14, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Rush L: The person responsible - entirely - for the torture as well as the absolute trashing of the U S Constitution is not Dick Cheney, is not W, is...

*H*U*G*O***C*H*A*V*E*Z!!!!!

Please pass the heroin... thanks.

Posted by: erikavanheusen | May 14, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

To Zevposner, and others who do not know their Constitution: We cannot be at war because there was no declaration of war. If we are a land of laws, then we must follow all the laws, inluding that little pesky clause in the Constitution stating that only the congress has the right to declare war, regardless of how that clause may have been violated in our recent past.

Posted by: neilbourjaily | May 14, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Q: How can you tell when botox pelosi is NOT lying?

A: Forgetaboutit - that NEVER happens.

Posted by: LoonyLeft | May 14, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Between Melaniki, Tapas Boy, and Cal Gal, this is way beyond hilarious! I didn't know their level of cluelessness was even possible! LOLOL

Melaniki says Republicans are evil, unhinged, and dangerous. Man, you need some serious therapy. Cal Gal and Tapas just need to move out of their mamas' basement, and possible lay off the weed.

Nancy the Liar wouldn't be in this mess if she wasn't trying to disbar and prosecute the lawyers that OK'd the interrogation techniques. If you're going to take somebody down, best make sure you didn't OK what they were doing! Bwahahahaha!

Posted by: DeeInHouston | May 14, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I am neither a democrat or republican, but I am an American, and I believe that in warfare keeping our citizens safe is more important than worrying about a top terrorist being subjected to coerced interrogation. For those who believe that waterboarding is torture, you should know that tens of thousands of our own military personnel have been waterboarded as part of their training. I hope the American people come to realize the dangers that we face, and support our leaders efforts to keep Americans safe, regardless of party.

JB
Texas

Posted by: jbeard31 | May 14, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

It’s a real test of character; when the ship is sinking the captain and crew push the women and children out of the way to get to the lifeboats first.
Typical Democrat party values!

Posted by: dcn1 | May 14, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

One other point. If she believed it was illegal, it was her duty to tell someone and to put it before the public and stop it. Just like a soldier cannot accept an illegal order a Congressional representative cannot let the law be broken. That is why she kept saying there would be no charges brought against Bush's administration because she knows that she shares responsibility for it. Just like the Germans that knew what was going on at the death camps were held culpable. They are ALL guilty if one is guilty.

Posted by: staterighter | May 14, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Republicans --

Thanks for reminding America and the world just how evil you are.

Without you constantly "outing" yourselves as being heartless monsters it would be too easy for the rest of us to forget or to think that people like you don't exist.

God will punish you after you die.

Until then, we'll have to depend on the public and the courts.

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

DEATH PENALTY FOR DICK CHENEY NOW!!!!!

Chain Dick Cheney to a Hummer, with a Confederate Flag if you would like, and drag him from Seattle to Miami.

Posted by: erikavanheusen | May 14, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Go home.

Posted by: rusty3 | May 14, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

If she wants a "witch hunt" a.k.a Truth Commission...then I say, let her have it. But let's not stop until we get "the witch." She really should be a better student of history...maybe read a bit about those who lived in the MaCarthy era... Hummm. Wonder what happened to them...after their witch hunt was forced by common sense, and public outcry...to stop. Hummm

Posted by: CitizenOfTheRepublic | May 14, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

This statement clears the way for a special Prosecutor.

If the CIA and the Bush Administration misled congress that is the consequence.

Pelosi has said she welcomes and encourages an investigation.

The America hating Limbaugh Sycophants can now see the trap that the Democratic Party laid for Dick the Chicken hawk in Chief.

And just like Dick the America hating Lymbagh Sycocophants are squawking like there is fox in their hen house.

The America hating Lymbagh Sycocophant are running scared hear them cluck.

Posted by: walker1 | May 14, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

It's all a sideshow. Unless someone can show that she voiced support for waterboarding - and I'd take CIA notes with a grain of salt.

Congress was briefed under rules that prevented them from doing anything beyond what Harman did - write a letter of complaint.

It's up to the Democrats in the House whether or not Pelosi continues in her position. I don't think she's done anything so egregious as to need to resign. The people attacking her here are the same people who were on her case 2 years ago. Mostly Cheneypets.

Posted by: j2hess | May 14, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

"If they want to violate the Constitution .."

Fei Hu

Fei Hu,

Please enlighten us on how The Constitution was violated?

Posted by: exMOCO | May 14, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse


Palosi was never meant to be House Speaker. She needs to go home and get busy with the house work.

Any one knows if Palosi drinks decaf!!

Posted by: 68b2b | May 14, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

As much as I love the state of California, how the citizens (alive, dead and illegal) in that state could possibly elect and continually re-elect people like Pelosi requires a willing suspension of disbelief.

Posted by: VaPatriot | May 14, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

As disgusted as I am with Speaker Pelosi's dissembling on this, clearly, this is a matter for her constituents, not Justice. Regardless of what she knew when and though she may have and may still be lying, she's neither under indictment or testifying. We all know who broke the law and Justice will pursue them in due course, I'm confident (this should motivate Ms. Pelosi). This is a distraction of interest only to voters in San Francisco, who undoubtedly will have to weigh the benefits of having the Speaker in their district vs. their consciences and requirements for moral rectitude. They'll vote their pocketbooks, trust me.

This is a non-issue to the rest of the country.

Posted by: abqcleve | May 14, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Many comments ago, chet_chap reminded us that NP is # 3 in succession. That scary point is only surpassed when I look at the name listed as #2 !!

Will somebody please triple the force which is keeping BO in good health??!!

Posted by: observer41 | May 14, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Hooray for Nancy! All you whining Republicans can "get over it, you lost". What do you want, anyway - to bring back Denny Hastert? And let him look the other way for several more years while a Republican congressman stalks and creeps out 17-year-old male Capitol pages?

Maybe we should look closer at those who WERE in power at the time and prosecute someone higher than the rank of sergeant who was responsible for it.

Posted by: jackbishop | May 14, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Nancy, Nancy, Nancy. You are a politician. Politicians are known for lying. I don't believe you were mislead by the CIA on torture. I believe you knew exactly what they briefed you on or made you aware of. Look, its not like you authorized it Nancy baby, you just did nothing about it and lied about knowing about the warboarding. Now you say you were mislead. Well, we don't need easily mislead elected officials representing us. Base upon your performance as Speaker of the House, a representative of the people, this revelation is not surprising.

I have always said that politicians do not run to serve the people, their constituents, they run for office, the position. They focus on themselves, their careers, what they can benefit from being an elected official. Nancy comes across like that in a BIG way! She is like the grandstanding republicans with their "listening tour" and the foolish governers who are refusing stimulas money.

Posted by: ajackson3 | May 14, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

HAHA - ROTFLMAO!!!! Nancy....there's an old adage you should take heed of at this particular point on this particular issue and that is:
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"WHEN YOU ARE ALREADY IN A HOLE----STOP DIGGING!!!"
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Posted by: 6gun | May 14, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Pelosi broke the LAW and tortured the guys down in Gitmo.....and the poor Republicans with the CIA tried to stop her.........

Wow, couldn't someone get Cheney to leave his 'undisclosed location' and pull Bush out from under the bed to stop Pelosi??

Posted by: DinkLane | May 14, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I see this is where the women haters of the world decided to convene for their annual convention.

I mean, really, witch? Is that the best you can come up with?

Posted by: SarahBB | May 14, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I sometimes think that this is much about getting "everyone" to at last admit that waterboard is torture. I never have thought of waterboarding as torture and I never will. As far as Pelosi goes, it serves her and her kind right. That is...Anti-Americans. We are the worst in the world! We must apologize to all foreign lands for the bad, terrible people that we are! I never bought that load of crap either.

Posted by: ssol4569 | May 14, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Until then, we'll have to depend on the public and the courts.

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy


AmericanDemocracy - The Supreme Court ruled that waterboarding wasn't torture - Moron

Posted by: exMOCO | May 14, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Finally the truth comes out and Speaker Pelosi has to admit what she denied and is still using diversionary tactics to obfuscate.

People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. The House of Pelosi has some broken glass to clean up.

When will these people more concerned with our implacable enemies and less concerned with our allies and those who were being tortured and murdered by Saddam understand how they are playing into the hands of these Islamofascists?

Posted by: mharwick | May 14, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I could understand all this crap if we had been really torturing our enemies and not just making them uncomfortable.

You know real harm inflicting torture of the kind that has historically been used again Americans in every conflict by every enemy.

Instead it has come to self loathing, self destruction, and America hating from our "liberal" citizens for a reason I can't understand. ??guilt??

Its a divided country now all over ideology..that we used to just agree to disagree about. This is the wrong time to be spending millions of taxpayer dollars for really stupid crap.

Now the great American experiment is dying from torture from its own citizen enemies...

Posted by: Straightline | May 14, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

This is a good time to recall what Sen. Schumer said abut torture at a June 8, 2004 Judiciary Committee hearing:

"And I’d like to interject a note of balance here. There are times when we all get in high dudgeon. We ought to be reasonable about this. I think there are probably very few people in this room or in America who would say that torture should never, ever be used, particularly if thousands of lives are at stake. Take the hypothetical: If we knew that there was a nuclear bomb hidden in an American city and we believed that some kind of torture, fairly severe maybe, would give us a chance of finding that bomb before it went off, my guess is most Americans and most senators, maybe all, would say, ‘Do what you have to do.’So it’s easy to sit back in the armchair and say that torture can never be used. But when you’re in the foxhole, it’s a very different deal."


And, of course Mr & Ms Bubba have said similar things regarding their willingness to protect this country if it required making Terrorists uncomfortable.

Pelosi should just confess her true beliefs. She supports Enhanced Interrogation. She should Man Up! Her Transgender supporters would applaud.

Posted by: FraudObama | May 14, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Well she until now was lying, saying she was never briefed on waterboarding. Now she admits she was briefed, but wants you to really trust her this time and buy into the notion that they said they were never going to use it. I suppose someone else will have to dig out a transcript now of the briefing and catch her in this lie.

Here again is the Washington Post article you need to read,

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/08/AR2007120801664_pf.html

Specifically relevant here is

"With one known exception, no formal objections were raised by the lawmakers briefed about the harsh methods during the two years in which waterboarding was employed, from 2002 to 2003, said Democrats and Republicans with direct knowledge of the matter. The lawmakers who held oversight roles during the period included Pelosi and Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) and Sens. Bob Graham (D-Fla.) and John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), as well as Rep. Porter J. Goss (R-Fla.) and Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan). "

Also of relevance,

"U.S. law requires the CIA to inform Congress of covert activities and allows the briefings to be limited in certain highly sensitive cases to a "Gang of Eight," including the four top congressional leaders of both parties as well as the four senior intelligence committee members. In this case, most briefings about detainee programs were limited to the "Gang of Four," the top Republican and Democrat on the two committees. A few staff members were permitted to attend some of the briefings. "

So Pelosi was one of the select group required by law to be briefed, and hence responsible for oversight of Waterboarding. She was not peripheral. She was in the loop and as part of her job, she was supposed to be overseeing the process.

Posted by: Wiggan | May 14, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi is an old frigid cu*t

Posted by: flhope | May 14, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Clearly this is now a matter for the Special Prosecutor.

Pelosi has stated CIA staff and members of the Bush Administration misled congress.

Posted by: walker1 | May 14, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Every honest reporter knows Pelosi is lying. For 8 years many Democrats folded to do as ordered by the Bush Administration. Remember Pelosi wanted the Speaker job and sold her soul to get it. Yes he made a deal with the Devil Dick Cheney and she got what she wanted now comes the pay back. Pelosi knew and had proof of the War Crimes done by Bush/Cheney. Her first act of business as Speaker after meeting with Bush was the famous " the Impeachment is off the table and we should pray for President Bush". She knows she's lying and the pass 8 years is proof. Feinstein and Reid are also up to their necks in these crimes as they cooperated with Cheney for a price. You can't change the pass and only a few Law Makers spoke up to protect our country as others followed the Bush Administration. Even the Newspapers/Media/Journalist/reporters marched in step to the Bush/Cheney orders and now are acting like all this is new.

Posted by: qqbDEyZW | May 14, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Correction..Nancy Pelosi is an old frigit LYING cu*t

Posted by: flhope | May 14, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

angriestdog wrote- I'm very impressed at Pelosi's ability to play the repugnots like a yo yo. They keep this issue percolating and they get their Truth Commission (which was all but dead 3 weeks ago). Plus, time for the economy to gain some traction in the economy. Brilliant!
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Now showing at your local cinema- THE NANCY PELOSI TRUTH COMMISSION

Posted by: 12oreo | May 14, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse


Wives of Republicans should withold sex until their husbands relent and become human beings.

Even better, they should find the nearest Democrat and bed them, since everyone knows that Republicans are all over-compensating self-hating homosexuals.

Democrats don't hold their homosexuality against them, but many of us do feel its wrong that Republicans mislead their wives, families, churches, and communities.

There's nothing wrong with being gay.

There's lots wrong with being gay and crucifying more honest gays for being gay.

Like most Democrats, I'm straight.

Like all Democrats, I hate hypocrisy.

That's why we hate Republicans.

You can read their hypocrisy in every post.

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see her and Obama is the same room watching the waterboard method being applied to both of them..two lying pieces of garbage.

Posted by: flhope | May 14, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

All I have to think about is innocent people on planes being flown into buildings, firemen going up stairs while others go down, and Nick Berg to make me think that waterboarding, even 83 times, is way too nice for these people. Seriously, at least they are still alive. I'm sure they get an enormous kick out of having people from the country they so viciously and inhumanely attacked sticking up for their rights.

Posted by: lashadow1 | May 14, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Madam Speaker, the document says you and Mr. Goss were apprised of the nature of specific enhanced interrogation techniques on a specific individual. You would have been incarcerated had you told the public of this confidential information. You were not the one to have spoken to the White House on behalf of your Committee. You had every responsibility to express your concerns to the Congressional Committee to which you reported. What records prove you did this?

Posted by: Martial | May 14, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Walker1 go have another drink of koolaid you idiot..you would probably believe the world is flat to..you idiot.

Posted by: flhope | May 14, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

She had to lie, so everybody just leave her alone.

Posted by: fury60 | May 14, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Sgt. Shultz from Hogan's Heroes.

I know nothing!
I saw nothing
I heard nothing!

Posted by: affirmativeactionpresident | May 14, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

This is the first time I've EVER posted to this board, though I am an avid reader. I had to because of this BS that Nancy is trying to pass among the American people.

I sincerely believe that Bush and Co. need to be held accountable for what they have done, but BS masters like Pelosi need to be accountable too.

What kind of crap word parsing is she trying to do in an effort to save her @$$? Why is she in her position if she cannot produce even the smallest bit of honesty or integrity regarding such grave matters?

Get Bush and Co, but get Pelosi the hell outta there as well!

Posted by: darth_maul25 | May 14, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi's a liar. She knew all about the torture of detainees and cosigned it at the time. Now that an investigation is gaining political traction, she's looking for the escape ladder. Dumb brood should've had some principles when all of this went down instead of making excuses for herself later.

Posted by: bakarik | May 14, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have a fascinating strategy

1. They're total hypocrites on abortion and lose any credibility because of it.

2. They keep kids dying of Cancer from getting pain medication.

3. The beat up women.

This is America. Not Texas.

Republicans are going to be out of power for a long, long time.

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse


What has the Ungrateful Code Pink Libs Panties in a bunch is that Cheney is absolutely right and they know it. It really must grind them to have Cheney lecture them on the facts. And he is loving every moment of it. Fun to watch the Code Pinkies squirm.

Posted by: FraudObama | May 14, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

To zevposner:

You misread my post. I didn't comment on what Pelosi said, but rather on what Paul Kane said Pelosi said. What Pelosi actually said isn't clear because Kane's writing isn't clear.

What the facts are isn't clear. Facts seem to take a back seat to jerking knees in most of the posts. It seems that water boarding and Nancy Pelosi engender strong feelings that overcome reasoned discussion and balanced thinking.

Posted by: patriot17 | May 14, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how many aborted babies would have loved to have had the opportunity to be subjected to something as mild as waterboarding?

Posted by: VaPatriot | May 14, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

FraudObama..spot on..they are bunch of frauds..and Obama and his ilk are being exposed.

Posted by: flhope | May 14, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse


oh screw you pelosi.. you lying sack of sh*t

Posted by: DriveByPoster | May 14, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rancho | May 14, 2009 12:04 PM

CIA to Pelosi: Resign or Die

Abuse - reported

Pelosi had the 'guts' to visit Iraq, propose 'increased intelligence presence,'and condemn the war there a 'a grotesque mistake.'

Posted by: coiaorguk | May 14, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Fraud --

What a fitting name you have.

80% of America loves President Obama and the Democratic Party and hates the Republicans.

20% of America has serious hardware and software errors from the neck up.

We call them Republicans.

Being a Republican is like having Herpes.

Good luck in getting a date, fella.

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

The right wingnuts hate Speaker Pelosi for the same reason they despise President Obama: they are sexist, racist pigs.

Posted by: Blue_Moose | May 14, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are like an abusive boyfriend. He thinks he's never at fault, and accuses the victim: "I've done nothing wrong. You're the one who's to blame. You knew I was abusive from the start."

What was that one about the snake who defended biting a victim by saying "you knew what I was when you let me talk you into picking me up?"

Let's never pick snakes like these again.

Posted by: CuckooRaja | May 14, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

To Zevposner, and others who do not know their Constitution: We cannot be at war because there was no declaration of war. If we are a land of laws, then we must follow all the laws, inluding that little pesky clause in the Constitution stating that only the congress has the right to declare war, regardless of how that clause may have been violated in our recent past.

Posted by: neilbourjaily | May 14, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

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Democrats should know, they took us into a war(never declared) that left how many americans dead? Remember vietnam?

Probably not, I've yet to see a democrat remember any history correctly.

Posted by: LiberalBasher | May 14, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

AmericanDemocracy..you are truly a loser of the first order..I am an independent..I love the ignorance of the dems..they know it all but really know nothing..sad excuse for a human being, you are

Posted by: flhope | May 14, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

"When my assistant told me that the committee had been briefed -- now, I'm not on that committee any more. I'm now out of it. We have a new -- that ranking member wrote the appropriate letter to protest that,"

Well, I think that makes it pretty clear now...don't you?????

Posted by: Jahswim | May 14, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I am a Democrat and I am not buying this. Even IF the CIA misled Nancy, she was in a position to ask more questions; conduct some investigation using the power of her position. Instead, she did the expedient thing at the time which was to go along to get along.

The primary culprit remains George W. Bush and Dick Cheney (the architect).

There were VERY few in Congress on either side of the aisle that had the guts to stand up to the President following 9/11 when he introduced that constitutionally bastardizing piece of legislation calling itself the USA Patriot Act of 2001. Sure, some balked about the abuse of civil liberties it brought on, but few voted against it, later slamming it for it's overreaching expansion of the executive branch's authority.

America had not been attacked as it had on 9/11 so I'll cut some slack to congress. However, the continued abuse of civil liberties in it's aftermath, is truely unforgivable.

Posted by: concernedaboutdc | May 14, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

jackbishop...

do not throw rocks in glass houses...Nancy has her own to watch over...Barney F....

Posted by: jhpbriton | May 14, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse


Time to call in Jack Bauer to get the truth out of Queen Pelosi. She is obviously lying. And the last thing she should have done is accuse the CIA of lying. Bauer will take care of it...leave the room if you are squeamish.

Posted by: FraudObama | May 14, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

80%..where do you get that number form the liberal media polls? What a joke you are.

Posted by: flhope | May 14, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a frigid lying cu*t. Impeach her.

Posted by: flhope | May 14, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse


I believe Nancy Pelosi. The real issue is the deception of the Bush administration.

Posted by: Anadromous2 | May 14, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

The Supreme Court ruled that waterboarding wasn't torture - Moron

Posted by: exMOCO | May 14, 2009 2:04 PM
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Is that a fact? Care to cite the case? Here's the real status, if you care to learn the truth: http://civilliberty.about.com/od/tortureandrendition/tp/Waterboarding-and-Torture.htm

Posted by: abqcleve | May 14, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: flhope | May 14, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

This explains why Pelosi keeps getting in the way of any investigation into the Bush administration. She's just as guilty as they are.

Posted by: wizard2 | May 14, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi admits to knowledge of Water Dunk Tank torture:

Water dunk tank torture consists of a large tank of water, over which the prisoner is suspended on a seat. The interrogator then proceeds to throw baseballs at a round target connected to the seat. By striking the target, the seat will tip or fall into the tank of water, thus "dunking" the terrified prisoner.

Posted by: fury60 | May 14, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Step aside Pelosi so we can get to Bush and Cheney and my prize pig Rove.

Right now you are shielding them, like it or not. What did someone say, enhanced interrogation techniques is like saying Rape is an enhanced seduction technique.

Posted by: sherardg | May 14, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

To neilbourjaily - I am no constitutional scholar and the whole point of my post was not to have a conversation or a debate about weather or not we are technically at war when we are being shot- that is to lose sight of the context of this conflict.

I think they call this one "the war against terror" it seems the whole world has declared war against this nation named "terror" - not sure how Congress would declare war on the Nation terror "officially" - it is a war that President Obama has promised to prosecute vigorously if I recall - again I submit the simple hypothetical question a guy is holding your daughter - even if you pissed him off and maybe contributed to his being deranged enough to take your daughter and want to cut her head off - you were the one that tortured his soul for so long that he has now gone over the deep end and has taken your daughter and is going to have her be-headed ... what do you do?
a - consult your friendly local constitutional scholar?
b - Negotiate with the fella - apologize for your previous bad behavior - try to explain that this might be a bit of an understandable over reaction on his part?
c - Call the police and hope that they get there and solve the case in the few precious moments that your daughter's life hangs in the balance?
d - You get your daughter back by "any means necessary"!

The question is not really hypothetical – sometime in the future you or someone you love – probably both – will be somewhere at the time of a planned terrorist attack – there are only two things that will save you at the time:

1 – If you are a card carrying member of the extreme left side of the radical Democratic Party – this exclusive membership comes with a plentiful supply of get out of terrorist attack cards free!

2 – If the men and women putting their life on the line so that you can do what ever it is you do were able to thwart that planned attack before it took place.

Neil my friend – this may be hard to comprehend but some of those folks cant read English so make sure the cards have one side written in Arabic! - Look we all know that there are not a lot of choir boys in this conflict – but that don’t change the fact that right now they want both of us and our loved ones dead and are committing great resources and efforts to accomplish that – and right now we cant change their mind all we can do is try to stop them before they get us!

Posted by: zevposner | May 14, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi would be good for some laughs if she were not in such an important position. However, under the circumstances she is giving me an upset stomach.

Posted by: bubba31138 | May 14, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Hysterical! All these misogynisitic (look it up) wingnut crackers spewing venom that Pelosi didn't speak up against torture when they actually support torture because their lives and the lives of other right-thinking Americans (but not hers) are more important than anyone else's. This would be really, really funny if it weren't for the real danger posed by stupid people in large groups.

Posted by: KennyBoy | May 14, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi would rather tell a lie when the truth would do! What a crooked politician!

Posted by: tyates2037 | May 14, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

These politicians are all a joke! Doesn't anyone realize that this is not your old-fashioned war? Do you think that "the other side" is playing by the same rules?

We need to protect our country and our people by any means necessary. In this case, it may have included water-boarding.

We haven't had any attacks on US soil since we started using the practices that the Bush Administration implemented.

I say, "Job well done!"

Years from now, we will all notice that the work that they've done was necessary AND successful.

Posted by: usee360 | May 14, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

To The AmericanDemocraticSocialist -

You crack me up! You talk about Conservatives witholding care to sick kids? But (by definition of being a Pro-Choice Libturd), abortion is ok? You sound just like a bitter old (and ugly)woman.

You just wish a Republican would sleep w/ you, so you won't die a virgin. Now get back to your NOW march, you Skank!

Posted by: exMOCO | May 14, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Enough of this "she said, he said" rheteric. Let's put the FACTS on the table. If Nancy Pelosi was present when the Bush Administration and the CIA discussed the use of stronger interogation methods let it be known! Surely there is a record of who was in attendance and what was said. Let the truth be known! Keep politics out of it...

Posted by: wgp43 | May 14, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

We all know what is going on here don't we. The parade of flubs from the Obama administration from his inept cabinet needed a distraction. So lets recycle the torture story that way we can refocus the ignorant people on blaming bush for everything again and get the focus off the White House. This started when Obama released Top Secret documents outlining our policy on interrogation. Only it backfired because they didn't predict that they would get tangled in Pelosi's lie which gave the story more weight than they had intended. Now Obama has to backtrack on releasing those pictures, which was the right thing to do but once again only at the last minute and after initially agreeing to release them. He's not always going to have a second and third chance to do the right thing. One of these times people will die because of his poor judgment. But until then lets continue to march towards government health care and further bankrupt the break down the core of our country.

Posted by: ruggerd | May 14, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

All I have to think about is innocent people on planes being flown into buildings, firemen going up stairs while others go down, and Nick Berg to make me think that waterboarding, even 83 times, is way too nice for these people. Seriously, at least they are still alive. I'm sure they get an enormous kick out of having people from the country they so viciously and inhumanely attacked sticking up for their rights.

Posted by: lashadow1 | May 14, 2009 2:08 PM
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You know, as vile as I find this sentiment, I have to at least credit the writer's honesty. This is eye-for-an-eye Old Testament vengeance at its worst. But that's God's job, if you're a believer, and the Constitution says there's no place for it, no matter how heinous the circumstances. But, I will credit this writer for nakedly revealing the true motive behind the Lindsey Grahams of the GOP who pretend it's about extracting info from "ticking time bombs." That canard cannot possibly be more self-evidently false.

Torture is pure, naked vengeance, as the above poster admits.

Posted by: abqcleve | May 14, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a lying piece of garbage just like her two superiors up the totem pole. Thanks to all who voted for her and them, it really could mean the end to America as we knew it and hello to Amerika as they would like to make it!

Posted by: GordonShumway | May 14, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: usee360 | May 14, 2009 2:25 PM Said We haven't had any attacks on US soil since we started using the practices that the Bush Administration implemented.
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He have had any attacks on American Soil since the 93 attack until 2001. And we did not torture. We are not "the other Side"

Posted by: sherardg | May 14, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I don't know that most 'liberal' people have really enjoyed Pelosi or Reed leading the Houses of Congress.

I for one would have no problem if both were gone in favor better leadership.

So for all the calls for Pelosi's ouster, will you also call for the ouster of all the GOP torture apologists? I'll gladly trade Pelosi and anyone else involved to get rid of the holdover fan of Bush era policy.

Posted by: rpixley220 | May 14, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

AmericanDemocracy -

53% of voters cast their ballot for BHO. That means 47% of voters DID NOT VOTE for BHO. How you came up with 80% is very mysterious. Perhaps you need to reboot your brain to clear the garbage out of your head.

Posted by: VaPatriot | May 14, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a frigid lying ....

Posted by: flhope
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Consider yourself reported. Your repeated posts are highly offensive to men and women alike. Please return to FreeRepublic or some other subterranean lair: that statement is unwelcome here, regardless of your views of the subject.

Posted by: abqcleve | May 14, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

This feast of slime will continue until the Attorney General appoints a Special Prosecuter to investigate whether crimes have been committed and, if so, by whom.

Posted by: thewolf1 | May 14, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

A lot of people for get the fact that the CIA and the FBI including the DEA would and did not share information and when people told the bush administration including Cheney,who loves the CIA that an attack was going to happen the did nothing get it they did nothing and 9/11 happened because they did nothing when they knew it was going to happen even up to an attack by plane.And you wonder why the republicans are making Pelosi a fall person .Take the news away from the fact that the republicans new what was going to happen and did nothing to stop it JMO

Posted by: bennie1 | May 14, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

To: AmericanDemocracy

Your take on the health care provisions for children that you accuse the Republicans of opposing is interesting. Liberals obviously approve of the murder of unborn children and keep talking about "a woman's right to choose." Let's see... When does that "right to choose" end? When the child is a day old, a year old, five years old, or fourteen years old, when he/she has become a real pain? Don't talk about torture to those of us who value the life of these children--unborn or born.

Torture? Those terrorists were not killed, yet you liberals are worried about their feelings. I find no reason in your positions.

Posted by: lngmoore | May 14, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: usee360 | May 14, 2009 2:25 PM Said We haven't had any attacks on US soil since we started using the practices that the Bush Administration implemented.
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He have had any attacks on American Soil since the 93 attack until 2001. And we did not torture. We are not "the other Side"

Posted by: sherardg | May 14, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

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We apprehended and dissolved that anti-American group that was based in our own country immediately after the '93 attacks. Different ballgame entirely! We were "the other side".

Those people that bombed the building in Oklahoma were Americans - not these barbarians that would kill themselves for their cause.

Take a real look into "the other side" here.

Posted by: usee360 | May 14, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

ONE Lie after another.....
The Hag is a discrace to the public,party & her family!
Time for the Glue factor for Sister!

Posted by: datsrite | May 14, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Clop, Clop, Clop. Thats the sound of your high horse walking away, Pelosi. Time to step down from the leadership position.

Posted by: stikyfingas | May 14, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi, like Reid and Obama is just a lying slug. The only difference is that she is so stupid she can't keep track of all of hers. She needs to go.
What an embarrassing piece of human debris to have third in line for the presidency...not that the first two are any better. Actully they're a replica of the three stooges.

Posted by: LarryG62 | May 14, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi just doesn't give up.

"I'm not lying ... I'm just stupid."

Shameless, self-serving, treacherous filth.

Posted by: andrew23boyle | May 14, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Accessory after the fact....Guilty.

Posted by: OneFreeMan | May 14, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Hey AmericanDemocracy,
What I read in your post is hatred straight up!

Posted by: ssol4569 | May 14, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

hey goofballs supporting pelosoi...you realize she is trying to get a commission to investigate the torture...she is in troublenow for actually being complicit! she was minority leader on House Intelligence...she is guilty as rest and now proves she is only seeking this commission for political gamesmanship..step down now pelosi

Posted by: dungiven | May 14, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

You really have to go some to be seen as less honest than Bush and Cheney. I'm mean, come on.

Posted by: gbooksdc | May 14, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

PELOSI:

STAND DOWN!

I VOTED FOR OBAMA'S PRAGMATISM, NOT THE DINASAUR NAMED PELOSI.

If she knew about it she should have gone public because it was and will always be ILLEGAL TO TORTURE!

Pelosi was a torture enabler and she needs to stand down!

Posted by: onestring | May 14, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi, recalling a highly classified briefing in 2002 that permitted no personal notes or documents, has had a moment of false memory. Too bad for her credibility. Whatever her answer to "Are you OK with this?", those expected to be experts on treaty law in the State Department were bypassed and secret legal opinions allowing torture were restricted to few copies. Congress was not informed. Those who should have known the law and yet promoted torture by the CIA under the Bush administration, where the real power lay? Those are former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales; John Yoo, a former Justice Department lawyer; and David Addington, the chief of staff and the principal legal adviser to Vice-President Dick Cheney. They are the ones who really need to be brought to account for those gross breaches of the Geneva Accords that were rejected by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the FBI and some heroic lawyers within the Bush administration who tried to warn Bush and others off tht path. They are the ones who likely compromised good intelligence opportunities with inhumane methods. Jesse Ventura is right. With 83 times on a waterboard, Dick Cheney would admit to a lot of things he'd think an interrogator wanted to hear. But then Cheney got 5 draft deferments to avoid that possibility. Brave man, Dick.

Posted by: USCitizen2 | May 14, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I keep hearing about right wing talk shows and how they lie about democrats. The real problem is that the Dems have the ear of the press, media and a way of couching things in politically correct terms. When they lie the
press doesn't report it to any extent and so the public is never aware of it. Let's take Nancy Pelosi for example, she
has been tap dancing on the issue of knowing about waterboarding and not objecting since 2002.
But now the issue has been turned around into where the Republican administration has been practicing the art of waterboarding. The issue is that Pelosi knew about waterboading and presented no objection. Now she is on the bandwagon that waterboading is terrible. The point is, where was she when she knew about it?
This is just another example of the hypocracy (SP?)of the left and in particularly Nancy Pelosi.

Posted by: kondor26 | May 14, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

For all the absolutely over-the-top vitreol that is being hurled at Rep. Pelosi, consider this:

She was briefed in secret. This means that she could not reveal that she was briefed or speak about what she was briefed on. She could not speak of it to clergy, her husband, or her dog. She could not even speak of it between herself and any other person who might have had the same briefing. The only thing she could have done was write a letter to the CIA. What good would that have done, in 2003? Answer: Nothing. She had no power of oversight with regard to CIA interrogations. The CIA would never have tolerated it under any conditions, and I wouldn't want any representative to have such responsibility under -=any=- administration. I am profoundly amazed that so many of the commenters here do not understand what "secret" means.

I am also amazed at how many say that waterboarding is not torture, or it is torture but it's not bad to do when you're at war, or it's just a fun game of "hold your breath", or it's not as much torture as beheading. I recall reading a report from a skeptical conservative journalist who underwent a soft-touch version of waterboarding to see what it was like. He stopped breathing on the second pass and had to be resuscitated. Afterwards he said that it WAS torture. We, the US, tried and convicted the japanese practitioners of it when they tortured our POWs. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, suddenly it's not torture? Riiiight. More twisted logic from immoral idiots. Who's surprised by that?

Why aren't all of our military personnel crawling out of the woodwork to say "Wheee! Hooray for waterboarding! What fun! It's fun to give and receive waterboarding! We hope that we're waterboarded when we're taken prisoner! We hope we get that treatment all the time! It's like candy! We love it so much!". For the record, we do not subject our personnel to the procedure in the same way that our prisoners have received it. Every single one of our people who have undergone the procedure did so knowing that they would not be permitted to suffer and that the procedure would end when they signaled that they'd had enough. Prisoners don't have that luxury.

Posted by: ninjagin | May 14, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

The right wingnuts hate Speaker Pelosi for the same reason they despise President Obama: they are sexist, racist pigs.


Posted by: Blue_Moose | May 14, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Again. hatred..straight up.

Posted by: ssol4569 | May 14, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it odd that just when you believe you've heard the last lie; she finds some other way of stating the non-truth? Is it mathmatically posiible to exhaust the number of her lies on this issue?

Posted by: tigervoice | May 14, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi was told about waterboarding in 2003. At the time she knew nothing about the technique.

Pelosi wasn't told then about the details of waterboarding, and she specifically wasn't given the impression that waterboarding was torture. Neither was she told that we were actually going to use waterboarding.

So whether she was or wasn't lying when she said she "wasn't briefed" is subject to interpretation. More than anything, answers to questions like this reveal interpreter bias.

Posted by: CuckooRaja | May 14, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

We cannot afford to have such a person acting as the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

She needs to step down.

Posted by: NeverLeft | May 14, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Tomoroww morning could be one of the happiest times of my life if... I woke up up, connected to the Internet and read... Dick Cheney has been executed.

Posted by: erikavanheusen | May 14, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

CuckooRaja:

Wouldn't you ask what it was? Or, research it after the fact?

You guys keep protecting her...if this was Palin, would she get the same treatment?

Posted by: usee360 | May 14, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Congradulations Nancy the Weasel!

Posted by: peterroach | May 14, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I think this all reveals that waterboarding got considered as torture overnight. Someone got on the torture wagon, dreamt this doozy up and now Nancy Pelosi agrees...It's torture!!!! This is all in the plot to change and kill the America we have all known and loved as Americans. What will fill her shoes? It's horrifying to even think about this.

Posted by: ssol4569 | May 14, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

The Supreme Court ruled that waterboarding wasn't torture - Moron

Posted by: exMOCO | May 14, 2009 2:04 PM
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Is that a fact? Care to cite the case? Here's the real status, if you care to learn the truth: http://civilliberty.about.com/od/tortureandrendition/tp/Waterboarding-and-Torture.htm


Posted by: abqcleve | May 14, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Torture Under U.S. Law
Under 18 USC Section 2340A, torture is defined as "[an] act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control." But there are two complicating factors:
Policymakers can debate all day over whether a specific form of torture causes "severe" physical or mental pain, and
The law applies only to U.S. nationals and to torture conducted in the United States.

And maybe you should have read it before you posted it stupid. READING IS FUNDEMNTAL. Typical Lib. BS half truths and deception. It's quite pathetic and hopefully that answers everyone's question as to why Libs are ALL RIGHT WITH THE FACT Pelosi LIED, KEPT THIS QUITE AND THEN ONLY TRIED TO USE IT WHEN IT may have benefitted her.

Posted by: askgees | May 14, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Like Junior, she was briefed by the CIA and didn't ask questions. Don't water the potted plants.

Posted by: whocares666 | May 14, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

In the twisted deranged mind of the Bush hating Liberals they think this is about Bush vs Pelosi. No, it is the CIA vs Pelosi. The C I A. The past four and current CIA chiefs vs Pelosi. I believe I will put my dollars on the CIA. The Bush haters really do need to get a life, some where else preferably.

Posted by: FraudObama | May 14, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a liar! Now she's going to fix our health care system. Heaven help us!!!!

Posted by: Jimbo77 | May 14, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi lied. Everyone knows she lied. She is now down in the gutter lying about lying.

If any administration goes to government lawyers and gets a legal opinion whether what they are proposing to do is legal or not(about EIT or anything else) and they are told that it is and then they go to Congress and explain what they are going to do or doing because they have been told it is legal and members of Congress (who are mostly lawyers or have unlimited access to legal opinion) say nothing what in the world else are they supposed to do?

Posted by: MadJayghawk1 | May 14, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Republicans --

Thank you so much.

With every post you out yourselves as the most vile scum on the planet.

And I mean that with no offense to scum.

Republicans have no compassion for anyone else.

Everyone else would be well advised to keep that at the forefront of their minds whenever dealing with Republicans.

Republicans are the snake from the parable of the Indian and the Snake.

We know what they are.

They can only hurt us if we trust them and try to include them in the process.

Republicans are snakes.

Anyone who's read the bible knows how talking with snakes works out...

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

That newsconference was pathetic. Nancy: tell the truth, you were told what was going on but you were not smart enough to recognize the importance of it. Now, resign as Speaker, and sit down and shut up. It is better to be suspected of being stupid than open your mouth and prove it.

Posted by: gjhinnova | May 14, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Tomoroww morning could be one of the happiest times of my life if... I woke up up, connected to the Internet and read... Dick Cheney has been executed.

Posted by: erikavanheusen | May 14, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse
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Can you please self-abort and save yourself and us the pain of your existence? Thanks!

Posted by: VaPatriot | May 14, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

In the real world of law, a person who knows of a crime and does not report it is guilty of a crime. All you liberal goofballs get real. Want to prosecute Bush/Cheney, let's prosecute all the Dem's in Congress!!!

Posted by: rustynailx | May 14, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse


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That is not true in all cases. In Texas, if you work for a company that commits fraud, you are not required by law, while an employee, to report that to the authorities. Some companies have an ethics board that they "require" people to report to, but obviously one's desire to stay employed usually outweighs that particular option. For those who do wish to report fraud, there are usually confidential reporting agencies. By contrast, if you are not an employee, at least in Texas, and you observe, for example, insurance fraud, you are required to report it to the authorities.

In Texas, employees of health care facilities are REQUIRED to report any suspected abuse of patients to the authorities. Others are encouraged to do so, but are not required by law to report this.

What Speaker Pelosi was required to do, definitely, was to register her thoughts on the matter to the Committee to which she reported. One would assume that such records would no longer be confidential given that the waterboarding is a matter of public record. Any discussion outside of that particular would be redacted.

Posted by: Martial | May 14, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

This and many other "complicit secrets" are the reason Pelosi has continually said "Impeachment is off the table".

She thought that now that Bush is gone she would get away with it all.

Nancy and Henry need to step down and let a real Democrats lead!

Posted by: tinkabell1 | May 14, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I wrote weeks ago and was laughed at.I said even before the Justice Dept said torture was ok the Bush Admin tortured.Not to protect the US but to establish a link between Iraq and Al-Queada to justify invading Iraq.The facts will come out.

Posted by: roncraw | May 14, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

tallertapas wrote:
Did it save lives?

Did Iraq have WMD? Heck no none of this saved lives. The intelligence community is trying to misle us into believing it did, because Cheney and Bush allowed them to get into this quagmire. The intelligence community knows that nothing could be worse than to put a serious blemish on our reputation and not get anything for it, would really be a quagmire and they are circling the wagons. I keep repeating why would anybody destroy and interrogation videotape that would have exonerating them twofold. 1) It would have showed that the techniques were within the law. 2) It would have proven inconclusively that the techniques elicited the information that they claim. The biggest intelligence treasure trove to this date
was the capature of KSM and he was captured before Abu Zubaida was waterboarded. This diversion about Pelosi is laughable when one considers that Jane Harman expressed disapproval 5 months later and what affect did it have on The Decider and Cheney's torture policy. So to sit here and say, because 4 or 5 democrats were briefed one ofwhich we know went on record as disapproving, meant that this had demaocratic approval is misinformation. If it was legal and not torture why do the Republicans need Pelosi for a co-conspirator? Again I am waiting for one of you conservatives to explain to me why the CIA, against the advice of it's own Inspector General, destroyed the tapes of the waterboarding interrogations?

Posted by: impartial1 | May 14, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

If Kahlid Shiek Mohammed, the architect of the 9/11 attack, gave up valuable information about impending attacks or the location of others in their network because of being waterboarded I would say it was a success and justified. You leftists who feign moral outrage over this are cowards. If you remember, these demons were capturing Americans in the Middle East and video taping the cutting off their heads. They proved they were willing to hold innocents hostage, murder them in cold blood, and do it over and over again. Extracting information from them became extremely important, and those charged with protecting us were willing to take a risk and implement interrogation methods that might expose them legally. I'm sure they were aware you leftist cowards would try to come after them, but they erred on the side of keeping us safe, and for that reason what they did was honorable.

Posted by: mwllacaca | May 14, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi and many others have been lieing through their teeth about what they knew, and when they knew it. Ultimately, the full responsibility falls to the White House, but those congressmen who knew of and did nothing to correct this are an embarrassment to the country. Every single one of them should step down. The problem is, how to determine each who knew.

We can spend a lot of time and money on investigating everyone, or we can spend our time and tax dollars moving forward, leaving the remedy to the voters: Next election, vote them the heck out of office. It should be a fruit basket turn over; those who were there during the Bush administration should leave, permit us to start fresh and watch the new congressmen like a hawk.

Posted by: RSHace | May 14, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

There are two kinds of evil in the world.

There are those who do evil but think they are doing good. They are the madmen who stain themselves in blood but are convinced of their own rectitude, people like Hitler or bin Laden. Sick, twisted and evil but at least convinced in their own head that they are serving some greater good.

The Bushists who tortured belong in this category. We may deplore what they have done but we must acknowledge, at least, that they were convinced in their own minds that what they were doing was right: if not, why do Cheney and the others stand up for what they did and try to defend it?

Even worse that this kind of 'insane' evil is the evil that knows it is evil but doesn't care. The kind of evil that will say anything, do anything, betray any friend or principle in a completely cynical question for self-aggrandizement.

This is the kind of evil that Pelosi simply exudes from every fiber of her being. She can not even claim to have thought that what she was doing was right or necessary: her own words and subsequent 'outrage'. She knew full well that what was being done was wrong but simply went along with the political wind, first acquiesing to torture and then pretending that she was appalled by 'revelations' that she'd known for years.

America! This creature is insulting your intelligence and making a mockery of the Republic. Please do all you can to see her removed from her high post, even if that required moving to CA's 8th district to raise the average IQ there to a level above that of cabbage.

Posted by: andrew23boyle | May 14, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Consider what's going on here: People who claim not to think waterboarding is torture vilifying someone for having not acted, given that waterboarding is torture.

Think about that.

Posted by: CuckooRaja | May 14, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse


Nancy Pelosi took impeachment off the table.

The entire world saw how the Republican Party responded.

Now, the entire world see's how the Republicans are trying to get her impeached for stuff that the Republicans did.

Speaker Pelosi should stay, find an extremely large 2x4, and shove it right up the right wing's Cheney-kissing, Limbaugh-loving rear end.

Being Republicans, they'd probably like it.


Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, I think Congressman Steny Hoyer should immediately call for congressional hearings to determine exactly how many different public positions Speaker Pelosi has taken on the question of whether or not she received any CIA briefings on the use of enhanced interrogation techniques on a few high-level terrorists, ones that were undertaken in order to save American lives from the very real threat of another terrorist attack following 9/11.

Now that the Speaker has finally acknowledged that she did indeed receive such briefings (although she claims the CIA tried to confuse her), we need to put to rest the secondary question of how many different positions on the subject she has taken recently.

We all know there have been several, but I'm not sure anyone has a completely accurate count at this point.

Is it six? Seven? I'll be the first to admit that I don't know for sure. But I do know that it is important to set the record straight now -- while it is still pretty fresh in everyone's mind -- for the sake of history.

And let's be honest. It will also be important for her sake as well.

It should be pretty obvious that in a few years, someone might want to make some "political hay" about the fact that she tried to fob off numerous stories about whether or not she was so briefed. It only seems fair that she should be in a position to say, "Look, a congressional committee looked into it, and they determined that I ONLY told six (or seven) different versions of those events."

Now, if Congressman Hoyer understandably might feel that it could possibly be perceived by some as a conflict of interest for him to call for those hearings directly, perhaps he could ask another Congressman to ask the question in his stead.

But it would certainly have to be someone who has real, authentic and established credibility with the American public . . . an absolute reputation for honesty and integrity.

Hey, I know . . . how about Congressman Murtha?

No?

Posted by: TrochilusTales | May 14, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

why cant isee video

Posted by: kalh | May 14, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Smart people know when to shut up and move on. Like Obama. It's obvious Nancy isn't to bright.

Posted by: FLvet | May 14, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse


Republicans want to hold hearings about people who know about Bush/Cheney's tortures.

Good. Lets start with criminal proceedings against Bush, Cheney, and the entire Republican Party.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

America's getting hungry for some Republican "Fioe Gras"

It goes well with a fine Chianti and Fava Beans...

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Yeah uh huh.... Look! The official 'stance' on enhanced interrogation techniques has been publicly stated and duly noted. There! It's on record..... Time to move on now.

Posted by: deepthroat21 | May 14, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

That's what happens when you "overdose" on Botox - it effects the brain. Biden should lay off the Botox, too before it's too late.

Posted by: Linda7 | May 14, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

OMG! Another typical politician with foot in mouth disease.

Posted by: EddieV | May 14, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"She knew full well that what was being done was wrong but simply went along with the political wind, first acquiesing to torture and then pretending that she was appalled by 'revelations' that she'd known for years."

andrew, this exactly the kind of falsehood that is fueling this contrived "controversy". Where do you get this misinformation?

Oh yeah...everywhere.

If anything is clear it's that
- Pelosi's "briefing" that included waterboarding as one of the subjects deliberately wasn't specific enough to make clear to her that waterboarding is wrong; it was contrived to make it appear benign
- Pelosi's "briefing" deliberately did not disclose any intent to actually use waterboarding

Posted by: CuckooRaja | May 14, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse


There's no need for any man to ever be waterboarded again.

TRepublican women are so revolting that just the thought of them would lead any man to confess to any crime just to make it go away.

Sometimes torture really does work.

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse


There's no need for any man to ever be waterboarded again.

Republican women are so revolting that just the thought of them would lead any man to confess to any crime just to make it go away.

Sometimes torture really does work.

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Everyone seems to miss the point - in 2002 Denni Hastert (R) was the speaker--not Pelosi; Pelosi was in the minority party at the time. Now, how would her opinion have changed anything back then when Bush/Cheney were making up false facts on WMD's?

Posted by: Fjet2020 | May 14, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

"Republican women are so revolting that just the thought of them would lead any man to confess to any crime just to make it go away."

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yeah, that Carrie Perjean is a real double coyote, ain't she?

Posted by: hofbrauhausde | May 14, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Journalist to Pelosi: Is the CIA a bunch of liars?
Joe citizen to Pelosi: Are you a liar?

Posted by: number1write | May 14, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi knew exactly what she was being briefed when it happened and now that it has been reported that she knew all along, she is backpeddling to cover her @$$. Had this NEVER gotten out, she would have never opened her mouth. She is just like everyone else that gets caught in a lie. And for those of you that consistently remind us that just because Pelosi knew means nothing since it was Bush and Cheney who ordered it to be done...sorry folks, the fact that she knew and said or did nothing speaks volumes. Matter of fact, you can say that she was behind it as well. So, if she is all that and a bag of chips, then why didn't she voice her discontent when she was first briefed? From where I sit, she was for waterboarding.

Posted by: RadicallySane | May 14, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Time for a Truth Commission.......

Pelosi Lied.......pure and simple.

Investigate those who signed off under Bush (Pelosi et al) and who now want to bury their past.

Posted by: georgedixon | May 14, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

PELOSI: Selective retention. LIBERALS: Lie, cheat, steal; Do whatever it takes to advance the cause!

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" -Benjamin Franklin

Posted by: number1write | May 14, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, it doesn't take the CIA to "mislead" Nancy.

TO all you who want her, you deserve her.

Exempt the rest of us please!

Posted by: jackbrumbelow7 | May 14, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey Ronjaboy,

Someone says this about you and your friends and your family someday and they've got their "tools" handy:

"those guys were terrorists; they deserved to be tortured whether they knew anything or not."

What...? You're innocent...? Sorry... No habeas corpus... Just take your nice waterboarding like a terrorist, pal... You've been called a terrorist...

Posted by: LeroyTheRoadie | May 14, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

If Pelosi knew, she had a duty to object and fight it by having the CIA torturers go hunting with Dick Cheney.

Posted by: Garak | May 14, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

There's no need for any man to ever be waterboarded again.

Republican women are so revolting that just the thought of them would lead any man to confess to any crime just to make it go away.

Sometimes torture really does work.

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse


Well let's see, the Demotards have Pelosi and Cliton. Yes to fine looking old hags. LOL. Do you ever get tired of making you're self look stupid?

Posted by: askgees | May 14, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

San Francisco liberal Democrat Pelosi is not above accusing the CIA of waterboarding her. That's tomorrow's headline.

Posted by: mhr614 | May 14, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I find it hilarious that people on the left are saying that "oh, Pelosi COULDN'T have said anything at the time...she would have been labeled a terrorist by the Bushies!" Yet, the "it-was-a-different-time" argument is exactly what people on the right are using to defend the use of waterboarding...a defense that's not getting any support from the left. Either we have an absolute morality (again, I find that funny coming from the left) or our standards can shift depending on what's at stake (funny, coming from the right). I have a lot of mixed feelings about the use of "enhanced" measures, but the arguments people are trying to make to indict or defend, are pretty ridiculous sometimes.

Posted by: beedeegirl | May 14, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

And to jackbrumbelow7:

Sorry, the 50%+ who didn't vote for Shrub and Dick couldn't get exempted from their sorry stolen administration so guess what...?

You just have to live with results too...

Boo hoo...

Posted by: LeroyTheRoadie | May 14, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Please, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, please cease your series of lies about who informed you of what, when, where and how.

It is clear that you WERE informed that "enhanced interrogation techniques" would be used on the detainees. You KNEW that this would include water boarding.

The leadership of this Congress is absolutely pitiful. Unfortunately, Pelosi will be returned to office in 2010, and IF the Democrats retain control of Congress, we'll have another two years of her lies.

Here women told voters that if WE (the voters) would place women in high office, things would not be the same.

Ms. Pelosi clearly proves that it doesn't matter what gender is elected to Congress, the same 'ole BS will prevail.

This is becoming the most do-nothing Congress in American history.

Posted by: retiree11 | May 14, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi mislead???? Imagine that!!!!!! It would be nice if once in a while someone (anyone) would own up to a mistake regardless of the political fallout.

Posted by: laneandrsn | May 14, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

appears obvious the only thing this country really needs is a new party that is committed to improving & providing for the life, liberty, security, & prosperity of all legal citizens, not being in power or being re-elected. The schism that devides us is rediculous. We all want a government that is empowered by our votes. Remember--we are a democratic republic.

Posted by: tombholiday | May 14, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what all the fuss is about, we all know she lied and will continue to Lie, she'd be stupid if she didn't. I wonder if all that Botox is covered under her Congressional Medical Plan.

Posted by: Ted6 | May 14, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

You know what they say about people who live in glass houses.... To think of all the times Congresswoman Pelosi accused the Bush administration of lying and with every news conference these days she backpeddles in attempts to cover up her own lies. She is a poor choice to represent the House Democrats as Speaker.

Posted by: taxpayermike | May 14, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Had I cash enough to live in Frisco, you'd never see me living most of the year in DC. No way.

Posted by: Martial | May 14, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Republican women are so revolting that just the thought of them would lead any man to confess to any crime just to make it go away.

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Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, Hillary Clinton, Whoopi Goldberg, Rosie O'Donnell, Diane Feinstein, Debbie Stabenow, Maxine Waters, Rosa DeLauro

Yes, they must all stir your manhood.

Posted by: hofbrauhausde | May 14, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

WOW!! Now Pelosi has become the POSTER GIRL FOR "CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!"

Steney Hoyer had best get his SPEAKER'S HAT ON and take charge, or it could be another 1994 in 2010! Pleosi has started believing her own press!! The dullest of all of the knives ....and that is saying something!!!

Posted by: wheeljc | May 14, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Really cannot believe this. Pelosi is lying and the Demos are still blaming Bush. Pelosi should be fired for lying constantly to the American people. Obama has a circus going on and he is the ring leader with an unsavory cast of characters headed by Pelosi and Reid. It's time for the people of this country to start questioning what is being done with our country. But no. Mr and Mrs Liberal are fat dumb and happy being lied to and have no thoughts on what is happening to our banking industry and how government is controlling big business. Free enterprise runs this nation and if government gets involved , well, look at Freddie and Fanny, the post office, Social Security, immagration, need we go on. Wake up America and lets take out country back from the stronarm of government.

Posted by: SouthernCross2 | May 14, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or does it seem like the liberal fringe are just chock full of vitriol and hate with not even a modicum of rationality.

Not talking about JFK type real Democrats. Just the self proclaimed, self loathing ones who keep ranting about the Hague, killing Bush and Cheney and other such anti-American spew.

JFK epitomized what the Democrat party used to be. He stood up to the Bilderberger group and represented what used to be the courage and leadership that the Democrats had.

Todays "Democrats" are not Democrats and do not represent the nobility of a once great Party.

Posted by: Straightline | May 14, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Really cannot believe this. Pelosi is lying and the Demos are still blaming Bush. Pelosi should be fired for lying constantly to the American people. Obama has a circus going on and he is the ring leader with an unsavory cast of characters headed by Pelosi and Reid. It's time for the people of this country to start questioning what is being done with our country. But no. Mr and Mrs Liberal are fat dumb and happy being lied to and have no thoughts on what is happening to our banking industry and how government is controlling big business. Free enterprise runs this nation and if government gets involved , well, look at Freddie and Fanny, the post office, Social Security, immagration, need we go on. Wake up America and lets take out country back from the strong arm government.

Posted by: SouthernCross2 | May 14, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Lying C*NT.

Posted by: lt1z28 | May 14, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

With all due respect, this is hardly a matter worth discussing. I would much rather hear from Madame Speaker, the reasons why the Obama Administration "stimulous" efforts have failed to create jobs...

Posted by: wcmillionairre | May 14, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Too funny. What is this her 10th version of events? Nancy Pelosi says "It's according to what your definition of Waterboarding is". Or is it Ehanced Interrogation Techniques? Can't wait until tomorrow for the next chapter in the continuing saga. Come on Nancy lie some more!!

Posted by: RobT1 | May 14, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

The Obama Appology Tour.
Obama has shamed this country. He has the most corrupt administration ever to hold offices. He is a disgrace to American and sheds more negativity on the black population.

Posted by: dbonade | May 14, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a demublican, no less than Cheney, Bush, or Rove. "Impeachment is off the table," before the crime is ever investigated. The system stinks to high heaven. We have right-wing neocon nazis preaching to support the troops, while hoping for armageddon. We have a society of people, brain-washed that the USA is the greatest, systematically wasting or destroying the natural bounty that makes up the place. The GOP says, "we must kill our enemies before they destroy our way of life!" It appears to me that we the people, wihout any outside aid, are well on our way to destroying any possibility of a healthful way of life. The Dems are say, "we need real change!", but they change absolutely nothing; the bombing of civilians continues, the payouts to Corporate Ownership continues, and the mass-destruction of our natural habitat is ignored. At this rate, by 2025, we won't need to spend anything on war, because no one will want the cesspool. Affordable healthcare will be an afterthought, and self-contained breathing apparatus will become part of our everyday wardrobes. Armageddon? Christians will all experience the rapture of their self-fulfilled prophecy. I vote we give the land back to those that were taking such good care of it before our European ancestors decided to get rich off it.

Posted by: halifar59 | May 14, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse


Northern California has the most beautiful women in the world.

Almost everyone in Northern California is a Democrat.

Absolutely all the hot women are.

So you Republicans are welcome to Dick Cheney and Rush Limbaugh.

California Democrats have the world's best wine, women and song.

That and the weather.

We have the most wonderful weather in the world.

And almost no Republicans or other racists.

Its wonderful.

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

It is disgusting that democrats for their own benefit throw organizations like the military and the CIA under the bus when they are in trouble or need to win an election.

This reminds me of Obama saying that all Americans are doing in Afghanistan is "air raiding villiages and bombing civilians?

Obama and Pelosi both disgust me.

Posted by: robtr | May 14, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

So the CIA misled Nancy --- Was that before or after she said she was not there--that she did not know anything about it????? Which story is reporting now---there's been so many I can't keep up ---- Nancy get a grip girl, you're really starting to look incompentent!!!!

Posted by: Sabrina4 | May 14, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi is the equivalent to a modern day Marie Antoinette; a spoiled elitist snob who refuses to take responsibility for her actions. With Nancy's attitude, the old journalistic cliche fits her well . . ."Let them eat cake."

Posted by: dterry1 | May 14, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Sure, Nancy. Neither you nor our boy-child president ever want to be associated with anything negative. I think I smell a rat - and the rat got caught this time. The CIA versus Pelosi - I'd take the CIA every time.

Posted by: PittAlum | May 14, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Reuters quotes that paragon of truth and objectivity, House Republican leader John Boehner, as saying:

... Pelosi's comments "continue to raise more questions than provide answers."

"And I've dealt with our intelligence professionals for the last three and a half years on an almost daily basis. And it's hard for me to imagine that anyone in our intelligence area would ever mislead a member of Congress," he said.
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Excuuuuuuuuse Me! Are we conveniently forgetting Mr. "Slam-Dunk" himself, George Tenet????

And let''s not overlook the CIA's and Cheney's extensive use of that scurrilous thug code-named "Curve ball," who enlightened the world about Saddam's treacherous and lethal WMD's. Didn't GWB's goons tell us those WMDs were launch-ready in 45 minutes?

Boehner is disgusting, for sure. But that doesn't exonerate Pelosi or anyone else who kept quiet because they feared retribution from the Bushthugs.

What we're really talking about here is an immense and nearly unprecedented (in modern times) abuse of power by GWB and his goons. They lied repeatedly -- willfully and knowingly -- about WMDs in Iraq. And based on those lies, we perpetrated a massive obscenity on the good people of Iraq.

Given the scope of that atrocity, everyone connected to that administration and to Congress who supported that invasion was living a lie. And they had to know it was a lie, because there was NO evidence supporting GWB's claims. NONE!

Waterboarding is only a small part of that hideous endeavor. At last count, analysts estimate (conservatively) that some 200,000 Iraqis -- the great majority of them civilians -- have been killed or maimed in that shameful and unprovoked conflict.

A pox on almost everyone on both sides of the isle.

Posted by: loulor | May 14, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

They couldn't get Castro and they won't get San Fran Nan .

Posted by: borntoraisehogs | May 14, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

REPOSTING THE FACTS

Ever see the movie "Casualties of War?"

Soldier Michael J. Fox suffers a crisis of conscience when the men on his patrol rape and murder a Vietnamese girl and then try to cover up the crime.

A significant scene in the movie is when the army chaplin finds him in a bar and he breaks down and tells of the atrocities he witnessed and says something like "and I was helpless to prevent it."

Republican George the Worst and his bloodthirsty, lying administration conceived and authorized the waterboarding atrocities, and yes, Democrat Nancy Pelosi did not know that, as she was being briefed in September 2002 about the POSSIBILITY of these procedures being used, they were in fact ALREADY being used. That is what she is saying.

And even if she was told, in February 2003 (note the before/after elections timeline here), that the techniques were being used, she was helpless to prevent them.

FURTHER hypocrisy comes from Republican John Boehner who seems to be criticizing Pelosi out of one side of his mouth and defending the atrocities out of the other.

The Republican Majority Leader in 2003 was Tom (The Hammer) DeLay.


Posted by: dotellen | May 14, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Fei_Hu | May 14, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Nancy, Nancy, Nancy, keep on lying and your nose will be too long to fit in any door. We the People do not believe the words that are coming out of your mouth, you have cried wolf one too many times.

You and the Democrats and Republicans sat back and let all of this happen, because you all did not care now that it is an issue you want to play dumb. It's not going to work, we all know who the cor puts are and you had a ring side seat, right along with Harry the face Reid.

So now you have the greatest President Evah with Barack Obama, I think you need to leave the botox alone because We the People have not seen anything to rectify Obama being a great President, for what we have seen he is Bush part Deuce and we are tittling on a slippery slope with the way you and the rest of the Yahoos are destroying our country. You have not seen the last of the Anti-Big Government Tea Parties, they will be bigger and better the next time around.

Patriots, LETS ROLL!!!!
DON'T TREAD ON US!!!
www.912project.com
www.ameritianity.com
www.teapartypatriots.org
www.weseethroughu.com
IF YOU DO NOT STAND FOR SOMETHING YOU WILL FALL FOR ANYTHING.

Posted by: ladynite54 | May 14, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

does she really expect us to believe her? come now, nancy --- having been a member of the "gang of four" had she really forgotten to ask a key question or two such as "what is torture?" according to the geneva convention and the army field manual. pelosi should spare us the pain of knowing full well that she knew exactly what she was signing ans well as what she was hearing. if she is really that stupid then she should resign her position as speaker of the house and try something a little more within her mental capacity such as reading AL FRANKENS' BOOK---LIEING LIARS AND THOSE WHO TELL THEM. or perhaps tackling other troubling issues such as the rights of women to never tell the truth about anything and other double-standard goodies. congress has an approval rating about as high as the keyboard i am now using. hard to understand why. IS IT TIME FOR MORE CHANGES IN THE NEXT ELECTION? YOU BET IT IS. MAYBE EVEN AT THE TOP.

Posted by: wa_idaho_lonewolf | May 14, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse


Thank God the Republicans are innumerate as well as illerate.

They don't even realize that they lose ground with every post because there are four times as many Democrats they fire up to hate them than there are Republican losers to try to stop from kicking the stool out from under themselves to drop, just a bit, and finish doing themselves in.

Republicans, keep posting.

Make us hate you.

Make us hate as much as you do so we can destroy you before you destroy America and the world.

Hate begets hate.

We came with peace and love.

You shot us at kent state.

We tried to save kids with Cancer from dying, or if not, at least from dying in pain beyond human comprehension.

You pulled the pain meds right out of those kids hands and gave them to Rush Limbaugh.

We're haunted by the faces of kids like those.

We want to make sure it never happens again.

You want it to happen forever.

Republicans, may you forever be haunted by their faces and punished with their pain.

Children shouldn't die before their parents or before their time.

Children shouldn't die in pain.

Anyone who things they should deserves to burn in Hell forever.

And that's exactly what Republicans are going to do because of it.

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Attention all Children of Thumb Sucking Cry Baby Terrorist Coddling Democrats:

If you are ever kidnapped by terrorists and being skinned alive and slow roasted over a fire and your Democrat Terrorist Coddling Parents had a terrorist in their possession who had the information that could save you and that information could be obtained by being a bit rough on the terrorist – be assured your parents would do NOTHING to the terrorist to extract the information to save you.

Your Democrat parents would rather you die a horrible death than cause ANY discomfort to the terrorist. Your Democrat Coddling Parents care more about coddling terrorist than they would you.

However if you were to be adopted by a Republican - they would do anything it took to save you.

And THAT is the difference.

Think about it.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat Over and Over.

Posted by: Democrat_Culture_of_Corruption | May 14, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Quick! Someone call Jack Bauer to something about Queen Nancy!

Posted by: edmarkey | May 14, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Hi I'm Nancy Pelosi. I'm from the government and I am here to help you!

Posted by: edgar_sousa | May 14, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Good Lord - - and this prevaricating witch is third in line to the Presidency?

If the Dimocrats accomplish nothing else, they need to replace this sorry excuse for a 'leader'.

Posted by: segeny | May 14, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

i wonder if she can even remember that far back don't forget she couldn't even remember what a fossil fuel was. we all know she lies and she needs to be prosecuted. for just being stupid

Posted by: edward8 | May 14, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

How in the world can we -- as Americans -- feel comfortable with National Security with the likes of Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House. She is not only egotistically loquacious and arrogant beyond belief, but she has serious problems with the truth. I'm an independent, and had serious problems with some of the things the Bush administration did. But, that administration is over. Pelosi has such a hatred towards Bush she cannot see her way to the bathroom!! It is clouding her limited judgment!! She cannot continue to use the Bad Old Bush administration to perpetuate her political power. In fact, feel that she has lost her credibility, and Steney Hoyer should step up now, or look out in 2010!! Pelosi is either the most inept Speaker in our history -- through her fumble bumming, or she is lying through her teeth. Either way, the Country can no longer afford her!!

Posted by: wheeljc | May 14, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

So in December 2007, Pelosi had been briefed on waterboarding, and there were no CIA/Bush lies at issue. Then it became a bad thing to be in-the-know, so for weeks this year, she hadn't been briefed at all. Now suddenly she has been briefed again, but Bush and the CIA are liars.

Say huh???

And to top it off, in this latest statement, Pelosi claims that she was briefed on the use of waterboarding, but was lied to that waterboarding was not being used.

Say double-huh???


Listen, Pelosi--the only person in the United States who halfway believes your lies on this is maybe you, and I'm cynical enough to believe that not even this is true. You've contradicted yourself so many times on this issue that you are creating a major scandal out of what could have slipped to the wayside relatively quietly with that December 2007 memo. But, no, you had to turn this into a partisan issue and begin to finger Republicans for the use of waterboarding, which prompted Republicans (and rightly so) to lash back that you were complicit in this, too, because you have known about it for years.

And you have known about it for years, and you said nothing. The only lies apparent here are the ones coming out of your mouth, Pelosi, and now you are desperately hoping that the CIA keeps classified the original briefing material so that you can blame them instead of being caught in your lies.

The smart move would have been to admit knowledge from the start, but now the speakership is potentially at stake, and Pelosi has no one to blame but herself.

Posted by: blert | May 14, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse


47 Million Americans without health insurance are being held hostage by the Republican Party.

Democrats are more angry than Republcans can possibly imagine.

Push us one tiny bit farther, and we will punish you by completely crushing you and every single aspect of your agenda in Washington.

Republicans, we Democrats are learning from you.

We're learning to hate.

We're learning political war.

You are asking for war.

Don't make the same mistake you made last time, confederates.

Never pick fights with American Patriots, especially Presidents from Illinois.

You lose every time.

Because America, truth, and justice, always win in the end.

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Now look. Everyone knew, even when Polosi knew. People were protesting at the Ireland Airport screaming not to allow the rendition planes to land at their airport. What is Polosi suppose to do put her own life at risk with Dicky Cheney threatens a friend with buck shot to the face, nasty Man. Could possibly be insane we don't know. Then A German Man incharge of Facts about weapons in Iraq walks by Cheney at the White House and he tells Cheney just how wrong Cheney is and Cheney snears and snorts, with a threating tone. We all knew but that is what is so sadly disturbing, most dispicable a corrupt goverment breaking laws and all along Cheney thinks no one cares hhh wrong! If someone in the White House 5 years ago was a molester a monster would the man be allowed to bully everyone, power corrupt power out of control at the highest levels. No one is that powerful they had to be stopped because if not it could still be happening. Post WWII determined to Evolve.

Posted by: bdrevers | May 14, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

ATTENTION: Ask Thumb Sucking Cry Baby Terrorist Coddling Democrat The Following Question In Front of Their Children:

“If your child was kidnapped by terrorists and being skinned alive and slow roasted over a fire and you had a terrorist in your possession who had the information that could save your baby’s life and that information could be obtained by being a bit rough on the terrorist – would you do whatever you had to do to the terrorist – to include REAL torture – and not that playground “enhanced interrogation” stuff - to extract the information to save your child’s life?

Make sure you ask it with all seriousness, deliberately and clearly and concern for the child and a note of extreme doubt about the parent. The parent has to answer the question. A non-answer or an attempt to evade will forever imprint on the child’s mind that “my parent would hesitate to do whatever it takes save me”.

It is time to play hardball with these scumbag Democrats and RINO’s.

Then say “look, if you won’t give a simple yes or no answer let me tell your child that if you were mine I would move heaven and earth. I would do ANYTHING that it took to extract the information. That is not even a question and not even debatable. Let me know when you want me to adopt you”.

Your Democrat parents would rather you die a horrible death than cause ANY discomfort to the terrorist. Your Democrat Coddling Parents care more about coddling terrorist than they would you.

However if you were to be adopted by a Republican - they would do anything it took to save you.

And THAT is the difference.

Think about it.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Start putting them on the spot and put an end to this cowardly BS the Democrats are attempting to engage in to the detriment of the nation.

Posted by: Democrat_Culture_of_Corruption | May 14, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

AMERICANS CANNOT TRUST THE THIRD IN LINE FOR THE PRESIDENCY. PELOSI MUST GO!!!!!

In the aftermath of 9/11/01, Pelosi and the rest of the partisan hack liberals were criticizing the Bush Administration in that they didn't do enough to stop the attacks.

And now the partisan hack liberals are saying they did too much to stop further attacks.

They will sacrifice national security in order to score cheap political points. They are unprincipled and shameless in their efforts to politicize anything they can.

BUT NOW THEY HAVE GONE TOO FAR!!!!!!

If waterboarding is torture, it appears that we have tortured thousands of military trainees with the full knowledge of our military and Congress - Democrats and Republicans.

Where do we start the prosecutions?

How about we start with Nancy Pelosi? In a press conference, Nancy lied to Americans regarding her knowledge of waterboarding in 2002 for the sole purpose of attacking the Bush administration for cheap political points. Pelosi was briefed by the CIA on specific interrogation methods, including waterboarding, of the three dangerous terrorists.

The conduct of the current Speaker of the House warrants impeachment proceedings. Nancy Pelosi has shown she has no integrity by lying to put politics ahead of national security. The American people cannot trust Nancy Pelosi on high level issues pertaining to national security. She has to go.

IMPEACH PELOSI!!
IMPEACH PELOSI!!
IMPEACH PELOSI!!

Posted by: JimMF | May 14, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Being silent about something heinous because someone else "ordered" it is not a defense. Didn't work for the Nazi war criminals and won't work for Nancy. These people in Congress need to grow up and admit to their prior actions/beliefs (think Barney Frank and his cheerleading of Fannie Mae).

Posted by: my2cents17 | May 14, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Remember people who lie get prison time, it is not the crime but the lying that will do her in. Remember Clinton, remember Martha, remember Blagoivich, isn't this what always happens? For you who want to blame Bush and Cheney, get over it. they were great people and you will not change my mind. I wish they were still in office. Grow up libs. you are incontrol now, Put Pelosi away like Martha for lying.

Posted by: djmelfi | May 14, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

tallertapas311 wrote: "So Pelosi may have known. What does that change. That the Dems were complicite. Maybe, but they didnt give the order. The blood is on Bush/Cheney."

The blood is on the hands of all who knew, yet remained silent, or was she "just following orders?"

Posted by: michaelellis29 | May 14, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Corruption --

Every day more Americans die from lack of access to decent medical care than died on 9/11.

That's not hypothetical.

That's real dead American kids and Americans of all ages.

Every Day.

How dare you try to block universal medical care!

How dare you constantly put party before country and screw up life for the rest of us.

There are a lot of very, very angry liberals out there.

Push us at your own risk.

We have control of the government.

We won the election by a landslide because America is sick of the Republican Party and the Republican Party's lies.

American will not stand by and see our kids or the kids of our fellow citizens die from Republican Greed.

We will pass universal Health Insurance.

We will get the Middle Class its money back from the ultra rich.

And if you Republicans keep pushing us.

We will hold war crimes trials for Bush, Cheney and all the Republican members of congress.

Republicans, you've gone after our families and killed our kids.

Now, its personal.

Don't push us.


Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Apparently Ms. Pelosi has gotten the DC phone book as is working her way thru alphabetically. So, the next person to be used as an excuse by Ms. Pelosi will be some poor slob named Albert Cianni.

Posted by: whizkidz1 | May 14, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I don't think I am brave enough to call the CIA liars.
Besides, it is apparent Clinton could have stopped Bin Laden, but then don't remind the libs about that.

Posted by: djmelfi | May 14, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

ATTENTION: Ask Thumb Sucking Cry Baby Terrorist Coddling Democrats The Following Question In Front of Their Children:

“If your child were kidnapped by terrorists and being skinned alive and slow roasted over a fire and you had a terrorist in your possession who had the information that could save your baby’s life and that information could be obtained by being a bit rough on the terrorist – would you do whatever you had to do to the terrorist – to include REAL torture – and not that playground “enhanced interrogation” stuff - to extract the information to save your child’s life?

Make sure you ask it with all seriousness, deliberately and clearly and concern for the child and a note of extreme doubt about the parent. The parent has to answer the question. A non-answer or an attempt to evade will forever imprint on the child’s mind that “my parent would hesitate to do whatever it takes save me”.

It is time to play hardball with these scumbag Democrats and RINO’s.

Then say “look, if you won’t give a simple yes or no answer let me tell your child that if you were mine I would move heaven and earth. I would do ANYTHING that it took to extract the information. That is not even a question and not even debatable. Let me know when you want me to adopt you”.

Your Democrat parents would rather you die a horrible death than cause ANY discomfort to the terrorist. Your Democrat Coddling Parents care more about coddling a terrorist than they would you.

However if you were to be adopted by a Republican - they would do anything it took to save you.

And THAT is the difference.

Think about it.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Start putting them on the spot and put an end to this cowardly BS the Democrats are attempting to engage in to the detriment of the nation.

Posted by: Democrat_Culture_of_Corruption | May 14, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Look, we all know that nearly all the Democrats and the Republicans supported "torture"/enhanced interrogation. Why? Because we were under direct threat and -- don't look now -- it works. Pelosi is stupid, but the more disturbing part is her abject hypocrisy in acknowledging the usefulness of the techniques, and now pretending she had nothing to do with it. These are people advocating for "war crimes" tribunals against people for things THEY ALSO DID. Where do they get off accusing others of crimes -- notably people who don't have a slavish media backing them up?

Posted by: zippyspeed | May 14, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

First why is no one saying anything about the entire congress? They all had some form of briefing and since they write the laws they could have stopped any of it at any time (remember checks and balances?). But Ms. Pelosi et al would rather play some political game ala' John Kerry "I was for it before I was against it." So who cares when or what she knows? This is more of the silly White House stuff that detracts from the real issues, i.e. the economy or fuel prices or the jobless rate. Oh and by the way someone needs to read the memos; none of them say that "torture" would be used, they simply are opinions on the interregation techniques would be employed. The techniques described in the memo are similar to what our U.S. Military Special Forces use when training to prepare for escape and evasion. So lets get off these nonsensical discussions and focus on what is really happening with all the billions that are being wasted by these people we elected to represent us.

Posted by: lpickard64 | May 14, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Even my Liberal sister in law, who is a teacher, thinks Pelosi should resign.

Power is a strange enticing drug. All she had to do was admit that she knew about the torture, take a small hit, and move on.

But, now she is lying to coverup her transgression...

Resign.

Posted by: rbmiller1 | May 14, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

AmerikanDemocracy: Consider yourself pushed and slapped for good measure.

The military and CIA already hate the Democrats. That's right - keep pushing them. If the snap - don't come to the rest of us looking for help. You are on your own to face their wrath.

Posted by: Democrat_Culture_of_Corruption | May 14, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Fiddling while Rome burns. This is a debate Pelosi cannot win, and she might end up losing her Congressional seat.

Posted by: IIntgrty | May 14, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Ameri"k"anDemocracy: Consider yourself pushed and slapped for good measure.

The military and CIA already hate the Democrats. That's right - keep pushing them. If they snap - don't come to the rest of us looking for help. You are on your own to face their wrath.

Posted by: Democrat_Culture_of_Corruption | May 14, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse


Republicans --

Keep posting. The more you post, the strong America's resolve becomes to undo everything you, Bush and Cheney did.

The more you post insulting the Speaker of the House, the less cooperation you're goking to get from Democrats.

Republicans, you should be kissing America's boots, not killing its kids.

Republicans are the party that promotes torture and keeps sick Americans from getting health insurance and medical treatment.

Republicans are not Americans.

They're not even human.

They have no hearts and no souls.

As well as no brains!

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

This weak-sister is a neocon in liberal clothing as evidenced by the way she lies like Cheney, Rove, et. al.

Posted by: coloradodog | May 14, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Look, obviously Nancy "Pew"-losi knew about the waterboarding all along. The reason she said nothing then is because it worked!!! Now that the country is safer, (if not somewhat tarnished) she feels at liberty to speak out about what she disagreed with before but said nothing to prevent! She ought to begin each press conference from now on with the words, "I would like to begin by thanking President Bush and Vice President Cheney for having the fortitude to do what was necessary to allow me the freedom to point my bony finger at them today." Then she can conclude by having someone drop a house on her before she can ride away on her broom...

Posted by: michaelellis29 | May 14, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm not doing a thing until Keith Olbermann tells me what to think about this.

Posted by: enaughton27 | May 14, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse


Democrat_Culture_of_Corruption wrote yesterday and re-pasted today:

The military and CIA already hate the Democrats. That's right - keep pushing them. If they snap - don't come to the rest of us looking for help. You are on your own to face their wrath.
__________________________--
Did you answer my question yesterday about your military service or does masturbating to RNC FOX NEWS make you an expert on the military?

Posted by: coloradodog | May 14, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse


Corruption --

The military works for the Democrats.

President Obama is a Democrat, head of the Democratic Party, President of the United States of America, and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of The United States of America.

The CIA hates Bush and always has.

Bush/Cheney gutted the CIA and put in political hacks and cronys, just like they did under Gonzo at the DOJ.

Every American worthy of the name hates Bush, Cheney and the Republicans.

I'm proud to count myself in that group.

Americans hate evil.

And the Republican Party is pure evil.

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Nancy keeps digging the hole deeper. The President is not stopping her because the anger felt by CIA is being deflected away from him for the moment. Both are complicit in putting political expediency in front of national security. This game only works as long as the terrorists continue to be neutralized by the men and women the President and Speaker hold in contempt. Why is the President so critical of aggressive techniques and yet is willing to continue the practice of rendition? Does sending people to other places to be questioned with techniques likely far in excess of what would be done here in the states not bother his conscience? When the President criticizes President Bush at the next press conference, perhaps the Washington Post or New York Times should set aside political ideology and ask big boy questions. If our President is not capable of facing the flaccid and ineffectual, but adoring press here, then he is not likely to be able to protect us long term, like the previous administration. Bush made mistakes out of the need for expediency. Obama makes mistakes out of political pandering. In the end, the men and women in harm's way will pay the costs of bad decisions, regardless of their motivations.

Posted by: Elbow2 | May 14, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

it was convenient for her to be mislead. she wasn't willing to do anything to stand up for or against what was obviously happening. she was just watching public opinion like she is now. however, that's nothing amazing in politicians and not special news.

Posted by: am_jim | May 14, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Nancy...

The majority of Americans support you and your stand for the truth. We were ALL lied to by false statements and accusations which proved unfounded. Lying to Congress and the American public was the norm for the past administration. Stand strong and don't waver to the cynics.

Posted by: seek_thetruth | May 14, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Every day that passes with Pelosi as House Speaker and in the news is a day the Democrats lose credibility. She is dragging her party down the way President Bush's lack of popularity hurt the Republicans.

I wonder if President Obama could lose the next election by a narrow margin due to Pelosi's antics tipping the balance. She is damaging to him and to the Democrats in Congress. It is time for her to step down.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | May 14, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse


Elbow --

President Obama is the most popular President since FDR.

Study History.

See how well you Republicans did when you tried this approach against FDR.

Keep posting.

Your "values" are so disgusting that we Democrats have trouble believing anybody could be that cold, cruel, greedy and heartless.

Help make us hate you.

So we can defeat you.

And save America's kids lives.

Thanks!!!

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is one of the great liars of our time and will do anything to try to stay in power with her liberal friends in San Francisco. She should resign or be thrown out of office. There needs to be an ethics investigation of her. The CIA can and must come forward and release all data about her briefings and what she knew. All she could do as she stood up at her microphone sweating like a crook being interrogated was to dodge the questions and lie. I think that she has overstepped it this time as she constantly had to lie, change her story, and act stupid. Even her silly grin will not save her. The very notion that this woman is Speaker of the House and second in line to be President is preposterous. Send her back to SF and get someone that is honest with integrity.

Posted by: Mindboggle | May 14, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

If the CIA lied to Pelosi, then she should recommend for prosecution those individuals who lied to her. It is probably a crime to lie to Congress in official proceedings. In other words, put up or shut up Madame.

Posted by: MadJayghawk1 | May 14, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

It is abundantly clear that the pictures Obama wants to hide must be so horrible, gruesome and shocking to the conscience that the government wants to keep its conduct secret. I bet the pics are far worse than anything we saw from Abu Ghraib. It is shameful that our government has conducted itself in such a manner that its misdeeds need to be concealed. The pictures should be released without delay, and let the chips fall where they may.

The Pelosi-hysteria is only an attempt by the torturers and their right wing-nut supporters and enablers to drag a red herring across the trail. Nancy Pelosi waterboarded nobody, she is irrelevant. Anyone in government responsible for the egregious violation of our laws should be brought up on charges, their actual guilt to be determined by the courts. This applies to Republicans and Democrats alike. However, it is likely that there will be many more Republicans than Democrats on trial, but that's only because the Republicans were the ones to order the torture. This situation should not be entirely unknown to the Republicans whose answer to the question "why are there more blacks than whites in prison, proportionally?" has always been "because blacks commit more crimes." Republicans are more prone to committing torture, evidently.

Posted by: RichardKefalos | May 14, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi lied, no surprise she's a politician. She said her job was to beat the republicans. No it was to do the work of the people, maybe find a new leader instead we got Obama, who has never been a leader, he was never a Governor of a state, never the Mayor of a city, hasn't even been a den leader in the scouts, no leadership anywhere. just a silver tongued speech giver.He's not leading now, still just giving speeches.Someone said water boarding is against the law, show me the statute in US law that says so. Someone said that using the words Pelosi and the CIA in the same sentence is an Oxymoron, they were right, that OX is a MORON.. Maybe if Pelosi was water boarded we would get the truth out of her.

Posted by: Gary25 | May 14, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

"YOU CAN PUT LIPSTICK ON A PIG". LIBERALS ARE THE WORST OF THE WORST. KEEP SPINNING THE STORY YOU AS_ WIPES. IF IT WAS YOUR DAUGHTER OR SON IN HARMS WAY, I'M SURE YOU WOULD RUN TO THE NEAREST JUDGE TO GET PERMISSION TO PREVENT IT. BOXER, PELOS & FEINSTEIN, HOWS YOUR HOME STATE OF CA DOING THESE DAYS??????? LIBERALS SUCK!!!!

Posted by: Cobra2 | May 14, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse


America is a liberal, progressive country.

And we are proud of it.

The Republicans that post here don't represent the views of the American Public, and when the President, the Speaker, or any Democratic member of congress wants to find out what America wants, they talk to their voters and use independent polling companies to get an unbiased read of public opinion.

Republicans -- the only "influence" you have on public opinion is to make us hate you.

And good luck getting ANYTHING out of the Speaker or the Democratic Party.

The President has been willing to put up with more than any President every should from a party that had been completely discredited and thrown out of power.

The patience of the American People and the Democratic Party which represents them is near the breaking point.

Republicans -- with every post you lose more ground and make more Americans hate you.

The Republican Party is in a "Death Spiral"

The Republican Party can't die soon enough for the good of the United States of America.

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Bubbling

Sen. Whitehouse (D-RI) was just interviewed on MSNBC and he talked about the new reports that Vice President Cheney tried to get the Iraq WMD investigators -- after the invasion -- to waterboard an Iraqi intelligence official to try to pump him for information about Saddam's alleged alliance with al Qaida. Whitehouse noted that this would dramatically change the legal terms of the question since even the notorious OLC memos allow practices like waterboarding to avoid imminent threats to the US. But waterboarding this Iraqi guy about Saddam's relationship with al Qaida -- after the invasion -- would have been to get political information, proof of the purported but then largely discredited rationale for the war. (Also worth noting is that an Iraqi intelligence official captured during the invasion would, I think, very clearly be an old fashioned POW.)

More and more the timeline is raising the question of why, if the torture was to prevent terrorist attacks, it seemed to happen mainly during the period when we were looking for what was essentially political information to justify the invasion of Iraq.

Posted by: langs13 | May 14, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Someone get the straight-jacket. AMERICAN DEMOCRACY has lost touch with reality and is about to jump. He has no idea about what or how conservatives think or feel. He has spent too much time in northern California and has no concept of what is really going on in this country. I feel sorry for him because he is so full of hate and obviously is trying to find someone to blame for some tragedy in his life.

If the far-left Democrats were not so determined to punish the Bush administration for winning the 2000 and 2004 elections, all of the attention that is now on the interrogations would not have brought forth the barrage of lies that Pelosi has put forth. But the Obama advisors obliged the far-left-wingers by releasing the memos, so now Pelosi has gotten caught on the slippery-slope. She will likely end up at the bottom as she is now going there rapidly.

If the presidential election were held today, there might be an entirely different result.

Posted by: lngmoore | May 14, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

ha11 wrote: "let's get something straight for once"

Yeah let's get it straight Al-Qaeda attacked us and we had them dismantled and running in the mountains and these same geniuses, Bush and Cheney, that you idiots are defending, decided to take the bulk of the resources and attack an enemy that had never attacked us against the wishes and warnings of most of the world. It was Bush and Cheney that kicked out the weapons inspectors not Saddam. Now the same people that refused to singlemindedly focus on capturing Osam Bin Laden are crediting themselves with keeping us safe. Whose watch did not 9/11 happen on? Bush and Cheney. Has Osama Bin Laden been caught? No. You people are so hapless that it is pathetic. Their defense is that we broke the law, but it was to keep us safe. Oliver North said the same thing, but there is no Ronald Reagan or repulican president to pardon Cheney like Reagan did Oliver North. That is why the famously reclusive and cowardly snake Cheney is squirming like a frightened woman and making up lies about the success of the program, Bob Woodward and others who have CIA contacts and Russ Feingold who viewed the memos Cheney says show the success of this torture program say the evidence is very dubious. Again conservatives I am waiting for one of you to explain why the CIA destroyed the videotapes of the waterboarding interrogations, even though the CIA Inspector General reccomended that they not be destroyed? If these people are truthful, than why destroy the evidence of what was gained and the evidence that it does not rise to torture? You people are focusing on Pelosi what about when Harmon raised objections was the torture program stopped, because she raisec objections? Hell no it wasn't stopped

Posted by: impartial1 | May 14, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

coughcoughBULLS**Tcoughcough

Posted by: Chasmosaur1 | May 14, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

If the Republicans think this is going to take the blame away from them or make the citizens of the US forget they are wrong. Pelosi's involvement, is not material. What is material is the fact the Bush administration did this. And actually lied to get things through. The Republicans made sure of everyone's silence with their threats when the Bush adminisration was questioned about their thug-booted tactics. Has everyone one forgotten Haliburton? Have the days of owning your mistakes really gone? What a shame, all that these blaming each other tactics is teaching our future presdients and vp's that if politically powerful enough you can do anything and get away with it.

Posted by: lilmick505 | May 14, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

moore-on --

America can't wait to punish you guys.

Keep trying to block universal health care.

See how far it gets you.

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

She can always get another new face and hide.

Posted by: island1 | May 14, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Pelosi is among the worst leaders of the Democratic Party ever. She is an embarassment. And, I am a Democrat.

Posted by: mjo2039 | May 14, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Nancy for fixing things good for other women aspiring to leadership positions. And to think I was pleased when they handed you that gavel.
Just keep lying, there is always a group of people out there stupid enough to believe you and defend you no matter what.
You are either lying or you are the dumbest Speaker ever to serve.

Posted by: menopausequeen | May 14, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Elbow --

President Obama is the most popular President since FDR.

Study History.

===========================================

Practice what you preach. At a comparable point in his presidency, Jimmy Carter had higher approval ratings.

Posted by: hofbrauhausde | May 14, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse


Island1 --

Republicans can't buy a stick of gum without support from Speaker Pelosi.

Keep insulting her.

That's a great way to make people want to be nice to you when they're holding all the cards.

Democrats have the Presidency and a super-majority in both houses.

Republicans better learn how to be very nice very quickly or they might as well go home.

They've got us so angry at them personally that they're going to get frozen out completely.

President Obama tried to be bi-partisan.

Republicans were all a**holes.


Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Corruption --

Every day more Americans die from lack of access to decent medical care than died on 9/11.

That's not hypothetical.

That's real dead American kids and Americans of all ages.

===========================================

If you had even bothered to do the math, you would have figured out that, by your reckoning, the United States would be completely deserted in less than three years.

Posted by: hofbrauhausde | May 14, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Fiddling while Rome burns. This is a debate Pelosi cannot win, and she might end up losing her Congressional seat.

Posted by: IIntgrty | May 14, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Politicians lie to cover up their complicity when the sh*t hits the fan. We need look no further than Dodd and Frank for evidence of this. At least, when the country's security was at stake, the Speaker did the right thing and pretended to be oblivious to it all. I'll give her credit for putting our safety first, even if she has behaved in a duplicitous manner since.

Posted by: magellan1 | May 14, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

hof-wit --

New people get born.

Multiply the number of American Deaths per year by a factor based on medical errors, lack of access to care, and hospital acquired infections, divide by the number of days in a year, and the number posted is a conservative one.

I'm good at math.

You, not so much.

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse


These boards provide a real public service.

One of the easiest mistakes to make dealing with people is assuming they have the same or similar values than you do.

Republicans want to deny medical care to kids dying of Cancer.

There's no way to reason with people like that.

You just have to push them out of the way.

Or brush them off your shoulder.

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

O what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive. It's difficult for the stupid to lie well. Good lies require brains.

Posted by: IIntgrty | May 14, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

So what is Pelosi guilty of.

Not telling that Bush was running a torture program.

If that's your argument. OK.

Then Bush and his admin should be charged as war criminals.

I'm sure Pelosi won't see a day in jail for not telling.

Bush, Cheney, Condi, Rummsy, Gonzalez and the rest of the criminals who signed there names to the program will never see the light of day.

The GOP party will be totally destroyed.

Who wants to be associated with war criminals.

You guys really are suicidal aren't you.

Posted by: langs13 | May 14, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Curious is 100% correct. I am a dyed in the wool Dem. but Pelosi, aka "melting plastic surgery face" is as worthless a politician as EVER could be dreamed. She SHOULD have been gone years ago-maybe the Dem. Party would not be as effed up as it currently is, was and will continue to be if her worthless arse self would go back to SF where she belongs! I DETEST HER!

Posted by: schmetterlingtoo | May 14, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Democrats --

We should take the Republicans up on their offer to find out who knew what when, but we should start at the top with Bush and Cheney and then move on to every Republican member of congress.

Republicans are trying to crucify Speaker Pelosi for stuff the Republicans did.

That's completely nuts.

Republicans are idiots.

America's not falling for it, guys.

If the issue of torture comes up --

We Democrats proimise it will be us to torture you with it, not you us.

Republicans -- prepare for a new kind of waterboarding.

We're going to drown you in the truth.

No "Simulation" necessary.


Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, because throwing the CIA under the bus is such a good idea. They probably have the briefing recorded.

Posted by: phntsm | May 14, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

A politician thinks of the next election; a statesman thinks of the next generation.
- James Freeman Clarke,

This is not a party issue at it's heart. Pelosi has shown her lack of integrity at several junctures. It does matter that she lacks credibility as she is in a direct, short line to the presidency. Bush/Cheney are gone folks; look at our leadership as it is now. Pelosi must go, she was/is part of the problem that remains to be cleaned up. Put politics aside and look at character and integrity.

Posted by: realwrld | May 14, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Didn't we get into the Iraq War because the CIA and Bush mislead Congress? Just ask Colin Powell.

Posted by: TeriB | May 14, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse


Republicans lecturing Democrats about integrity is like Nazi's lecturing Jews about keeping kosher.

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

She should resign and act in the next American Pie movie as Stiffler's Grandmother.......what a lying cougar.

Posted by: nobama2012 | May 14, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I have to comment again, as a Democrat, OH GOD, DO I DETEST, DETEST! NANCY PELOSI! SHE US UTTERLY NON-CREDIBLE-SHE IS AN OUT AND OUT LIAR! SHE KNOWS SHE ACCEPTED ALL OF THIS INFO. THAT SHE WAS GIVEN BACK IN THE DAY, AND NOW, SHE WANTS TO LIE HER WAY OUT OF IT, BLAMING IN THE MOST UNPROFESSIONAL! WAY OUR INTELLIGENCE AGENCY, THE CIA, BY SAYING THEY LIE-NO, THEY DON'T PELOSI-YOU ARE COUNTING ON YOUR LEFT LIBERAL SF FREAKS TO BUY INTO ANYTHING YOU SAY-THAT'S WHY YOU SAY THAT-BUT WE DC DEMS. AREN'T FOOLED BY THE LIKES OF YOUR LYING PLASTIC SURGERY FACE IN THE LEAST! GO TO HELL, NANCY-AND IF YOU ARE SINCERE ABOUT THE CIA "LYING" THEN LET'S PUT YOU UNDER EFFING OATH, AND LET YOU SAY IT THERE-OKAY? PUT YOUR STUPID EFFING MONEY WHERE YOUR GD MOUTH IS! YOU IDIOT!

Posted by: schmetterlingtoo | May 14, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Bush and Cheney need to be beheaded, along with Rove, Rumsfeld and the rest of the NeoCon AIPAC PNAC Nazis..Pelosi makes good cover, as does Obama:

http://www.infowars.com/who-rules-america/

Posted by: frak | May 14, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

frak --

You are a flaming anti-semite.

You are not welcome in the Democratic Party.

President Obama has made that explicit.

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

By December 2009 Steny Hoyer (D-MD) will be Speaker of the House.

Posted by: argie | May 14, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Those in the Bush Administration who approved torture must be prosecuted. I couldn't care less what Pelosi did or didn't do.

I am a war veteran, unlike Bush, Cheney, and the rest of the past Administration who made many poor decisions.

Posted by: aeaustin | May 14, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I believe Pelosi. The alternative is to believe those consistently lying dogs Bush, Cheney, Rove, et al.

Posted by: ejs2 | May 14, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

i just don't trust her...
therefore, i don't believe her.
she is part of that old washington that i wish were gone. i got the president i voted for but i wrote this woman several letters about impeaching bush and they were all ignored. i got many answers, none that i agreed with, from many other senators and congressmen but from her? nothing...so i feel she is hardly worth believing. she is lucky i am not one of her constituents because i would of voted for anyone but her.

Posted by: hemnebob | May 14, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

We, the People, need to know who knew what when and who authorized what when.

It's time for an in depth and wide-reaching investigation of this whole mess. It's time for ALL politicians, government employees and the military to be held accountable for their actions.

Those who lied to Congress, to the American people, those who issued illegal orders and those who wrote "legal opinions" in obvious contravention to U.S. and international law should be investigated, charged, convicted and imprisoned for their crimes.

I'm willing to bet that 99% of those going to jail will be republicans.

DAStubbs,
Minneapolis

Posted by: dastubbs | May 14, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Republicans --

Thank you so much.

With every post you out yourselves as the most vile scum on the planet.

And I mean that with no offense to scum.

Republicans have no compassion for anyone else.

Everyone else would be well advised to keep that at the forefront of their minds whenever dealing with Republicans.

Republicans are the snake from the parable of the Indian and the Snake.

We know what they are.

They can only hurt us if we trust them and try to include them in the process.

Republicans are snakes.

Anyone who's read the bible knows how talking with snakes works out...

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy

AKA AntiAmericansnakesh!t

-------------------------------------------

Bold and brave hiding behind the keyboard but... everyone knows thats the only place you could ever be brave at.

I would keep the bible - God stuff out of your slavering rants libtard ...just in case God exists.

Your words against you and then... from the rest of the fruitbags that talk about how evil Republicans are.

"With every post you out yourselves as the most vile scum on the planet".

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Cheney should be hanged in public and let the public toss his body like what the Italians did with Mosolini's body.
He is thug, a terrorist and a devil.
Hug him and let the public urinate on his body

DEATH PENALTY FOR DICK CHENEY NOW!!!!!

Chain Dick Cheney to a Hummer, with a Confederate Flag if you would like, and drag him from Seattle to Miami.

Being a Republican is like having Herpes.

Step aside Pelosi so we can get to Bush and Cheney and my prize pig Rove.

Tomoroww morning could be one of the happiest times of my life if... I woke up up, connected to the Internet and read... Dick Cheney has been executed.

Republicans are not Americans.

They're not even human.

They have no hearts and no souls.

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You truly suck

Posted by: Straightline | May 14, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Quote of the day:

"It is hard for me to imagine that anyone in the intelligence area would ever mislead a member of Congress," Rep. John Boehner (R- Ohio), the Republican minority leader, said today.

Posted by: WashingtonDC44 | May 14, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

How frightening that America's national security is now in the hands of people who either don't understand CIA briefings or lie about them to cover themselves. Maybe Sandy Berger can go shove some the CIA briefing notes in his socks to help her out.
Pelosi should resign and Jane Harmon should run for whip when Hoyer moves up.

Posted by: Kat72 | May 14, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

American Democracy:

History has shown that the party in power will screw up and lose control. Not a Dem or Rep problem, it's just how politicians roll. Anyone who is completely on board with either party has some major issues.

As far as Barack being bi-partisan, just because he says it, doesn't mean its so.

Posted by: island1 | May 14, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

"straight?" line --

Republicans Suck.

Democrats like women.

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Right now Speaker Pelosi is about the only check on Obama and his merry band of White House henchmen. The fingerprints on the knife in her back don't belong to Republicans. All this smoke and lightning is just setting the stage for this summer's show trials to distract the public from what the "man behind the curtin" George Soros (aka the Organ Grinder) is up to.

Posted by: majcsmith | May 14, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

American Democracy
Try upping your Prozac or cutting back on caffeinated coffee. Reading your rants reminds me of something a friend told me the other day. “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that”.

Posted by: mauiman | May 14, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Mauiman --

And you're a six sigma idiot, but who's counting?


Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

If the liberal haven that Pelosi comes from stands behind this they are just as bad a she is. She is suppose to be working for the people of California do they believe this. In July 09 according to Pelosi we are going to push forward the largest health care plan for America. How many lies will she have to tell with HR to push this, especially in July
when everybody is gone home. Do we really buy that?

Posted by: rbish391 | May 14, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse


Republicans teach America and the world the true meaning of the word "vile" with every post they make.

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy | May 14, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

AmericanDemocracy:

Did you forget your meds today? It is good to support your party. But the extermes of your adoration and myopia are a tad unsettling.

It'd be hard to comment on all the fun stuff you post (thanks for the chuckles). Yet, a couple of points need to be commented on:

1) You say that the "US military works for the Democrats." INCORRECT. The US Military works for the American people under the command of the CIC, who, today, happens to be a member of the Democrat party. The US military works for no man or party. Please keep that in mind.

2) You state that Obama is the most popular president since FDR. INCORRECT. You must know full well that popularity is fleeting. You also must be aware that the president has been in office for barely 4 months, which hardly is enough time to gauge how well he will stand to scrutiny four years from now. Presidential popularity shifts constantly. Obama's current polling places him in the mid-60s popularity wise, which is not bad but it is hardly an indication of what is to come. The data do not fully support your claim. Recall that:
- President George H. W. Bush enjoyed a peak of 89% in 1991.
- As president Ronald Reagan left office on January 20, 1989 his popularity was at a peak of 70%.
- President Wiliam J. Clinton hit a high mark in the popularity polls of 66% just prior to his inauguration in 1993. That is about Obama's popularity polling today.

You have to wait until the end of the term and a little perspective to make broad claims.

Posted by: argie | May 14, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Poor Nan. Caught in a web of lies, she plays the time honored leftist card: "I am soooo stupid, they tricked me!"

Sorry Nan - you are a liar and a coward and you have been called out. You are the speaker of the house - so speak something other than inane nonsense.

I know, it was the dark and evil Karl Rove and Dick Cheney probing your mind with their death rays - thats obvious by your zombie-like entranced eyes.

You are not to blame - it is the evil and vile republicans who forced you to lie. Its not in your nature - and they are the minority party - but they made you anyway, didn't they?

I guess the only solution is for the concentration camps to be erected to incarcerate all the right wingers so you can safely get on with the people's business.

There you go Nan, NOW you can proceed.

Of course, she could admit she has been lying all along, to swing the elections and pretend it was all George Bush's fault and resign in disgrace - but what she has been doing is like a major resume enhancer for a socialist like her.

So, OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | May 14, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

"tallertapas" must not have heard of the legal term "accessory" as in accessory to murder. The blood is on Pelosi's hands, too, if that's what you wish to describe it as. What would this enlightened(?) soul call the murderers of September 11th. and all their complicit supporters, "misunderstood?" What a hypocrite this author is and what a perjureous, evasive, disreputable individual Rep. Pelosi comes across as being. Politics at its lowest.

Posted by: 65tarheel | May 14, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

"straight?" line --

Republicans Suck.

Democrats like women.

Posted by: AmericanDemocracy

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You really are damaged goods dude....serious bottom of the barrel sludge..

Posted by: Straightline | May 14, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

American Democracy

Name calling is either very hurtful or a liberal's way to debate. Try to focus on fact and not let your mind wander off like Nancy's memory.

Posted by: mauiman | May 14, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Nancy is declaring war on the CIA by lying about her actions.

She clearly had no problems with waterboarding and was fully briefed, even according to Leon Pannetta.

Good luck with your response Nancy.

The Democrats are literally freaking out and going loony tunes about this.

It makes you wonder what else they knew about and did.

Posted by: rbmiller1 | May 14, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Well, going on defense didn’t work for Pelosi. I guess she figures that she had better try going on offense.

Anyway, torture has now officially jumped the shark as a political issue for the Democrats. Show trials and “truth commissions” were always unlikely, but now that the second or third most powerful Democrat in the country is caught up in the whole thing, the Democrats can’t use this issue to bludgeon the GOP.

The only way that the Democrats could revive torture to score partisan points is if they immediately threw Pelosi under the bus. That would show that they have a zero-tolerance policy towards torture. They can’t do that, of course, because they’re not actually opposed to torture. They’re just opposed to it when a president that they don’t like is doing it. Besides, after Samantha Power, Racist Granny, Rev. Wright, James Johnson, Mazen Asbahi, etc., there’s very little room under Obama’s bus for Nancy Pelosi.

Posted by: hotdad14 | May 14, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! This is so much more fun than I thought it would be. I just can't decide though, is nancy or bammie a bigger idiot????

Posted by: 2xy4k9 | May 14, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! This is so much more fun than I thought it would be. I just can't decide though, is nancy or bammie a bigger idiot????

Posted by: 2xy4k9 | May 14, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I too believe Pelosi (that the CIA hoodwinked her) and join her call to release the briefing transcripts.

Whether or not if told the complete truth on waterboarding, that would have changed any of her "Keeping Silent" actions is another question and I would guess not.

Still, in the "Getting in line" for the blame game, she is way down on the list, enough so to shrugg ones shoulders and scream "So What!!!"

She was told of torture AFTER the torture had already begun.

Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfield.... and the rest of that black circle created, ordered and monitored the use torture, they take at least 99% of the blame.

Posted by: yarbrougharts | May 14, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Well,well what have we here now? Oh it's that Liar,War Criminal,Mad Madame Speaker
Psycho Nancy Pelosi,that's who here!!!...
So,now we know what did Nancy Pelosi Know
and When Did She Know It?..And it makes the
Dcmocrat Speaker Complict,and a Accessory
To An Internationl Terrorist Act Cover Up,
and a Fellow Bush & Cheney War Criminal,as
well as Obstruction of Justice,War Crimes,
Crimes Against Humanity Will Accomplish...

So, I will be looking forward to seeking the San Francisco Liar Liberal Democrat
Looney Toons,Mad Madame Nancy Pelosi getting to dance at the end of a rope,for
it,right along with the other Cover Up Artists,Democrats Barack Hussein Obama,
Steny Hoyer,Jane Harmon,and Eric Holder.

And,seeing Republicans George W Bush,Draft
Dodger Dickey Cheney,Condoleezza Rice,Colin
Powell,Donald Rumsfeld,John Ashcroft,
Alberto Gonzales,Karl Rove,Andrew Card and
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs USAF General
Richard Meyers,and Former CIA Director George Tenent et al, on the gallows as well. This Calls For Justice,and to Hell
with whether they are Demcorats or Republicans,the Penalty for War Crimes and
Crimes Against Humanity and Treason is still Death by Hanging. Hang "em" High!

And,the same goes for Osama bin Laden and
Al_Qeada and Mulla Omar and the Taliban.

Remember 9-11 My Fellow Americans! And Let
Justice Be Served Here & Now!

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | May 14, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Nancy knew about and approved of the enhanced interrogation techniques from the very beginning, but that inconvenient fact is hampering her attempts to mete out political punishment to the previous administration. She is lying about what she knew and when she knew it, but nobody believes her, not even her own party. The spectacle of her self-righteous denials is almost as rich as Barry Obama dismantling school voucher programs while his little darlings are safely ensconced at Sidwell Friends School.

Posted by: jshay | May 14, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

pelosi is slimey. yech.

Posted by: Waffle1 | May 14, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

The al Qaeda must love the Washington Post and the frenzy of the far left and the far right. We are all in this together. Time to call a truce among Americans when it comes to a joint effort to defeat those who would enslave or butcher us.

Posted by: mharwick | May 14, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse


Aunt Fritzi and Sluggo think Nancy is a big liar.


Posted by: WylieD | May 14, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

O.K. my fellow Americans, I dont care if your a Dem or Repub. The fact of the matter is Pelosi is trying to cover her tracks, and now she has painted her rainbow San Fran ass into a corner. She is a disgrace to be the Speaker of the House.If you research the subject of waterboarding, I believe it was done under the Clinton administration as well. The one thing I know is that whatever we have learned through the waterboarding is, WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY TERRORIST ATTACKS ON OUR SOIL SINCE 01' Isn't that what we wanted after 9/11 SECURITY to be a lib, and or conservative. P.S. How's that Hope and Change working out for you?????

Posted by: simpleman09 | May 14, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I find it disappointing a sharp tongued individual like Pelosi needed quite sometime to 'spin' her way out of having any knowledge. Another quality elected official leading us to socialism.

Posted by: bethanybeachdelaware | May 14, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a liar, she is a liar, she is a liar!!!!!

I hope to God my friends at the C.I.A. do not bend over on this one.

Pelosi is a reprehensible lying sack of you know what.

When are we going to get rid of her and the rest of these clowns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Posted by: charko825 | May 14, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

tallertappas,

We aren't in denial, but you can't make everything bush's fault no matter how badly you wish it was.

This article is about what pelosi knew/ when she knew it / how much she wanted to mislead the public about her knowledge.

When the article about who is MOST to blame is written then you can write all night long about how Bush controlled everyone, and WHAT could the wee little speaker of the house do? And how it wouldn't have mattered and all your whiney whoa is me bs, that all adds up to people not taking responsibility for their actions.

Hey, if Pelosi knew and she felt it was the right thing to do... then stand up and say, i believed it was the right thing to do.

If she thought it was wrong and she went along because, she felt he couldn't stand up to mean old bush and co. Then F her, she doesn't deserve to be a leader of anything.

Posted by: gconrads | May 14, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi needs a shrink. I think she's got a Narcissistic personality disorder.

Posted by: playfair109 | May 14, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

WATERBOARDING?

I SUPPOSE NABCY PELOSI DIDN'T INHALE MARAJUANA, EITHER---RIGHT BILLARY?

Posted by: clyde2 | May 14, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

A typical lying democratic loon.

Posted by: fcs25 | May 14, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

The real scandal isns't that Pelosi is such a liar; it is that she is so butt ugly.

Posted by: FridayKnight | May 14, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

"The CIA misled me" is not a great argument for the first female leader of a chamber of the United States Congress to make.

Anyone old enough to remember when George Romney claimed he'd been "brainwashed" by the U.S. military about Viet Nam? It was the beginning of the end of his political career. Who wants a leader who's feeble enough to be brainwashed by generals, or misled by spies?

An argument can be made that JFK was misled by the CIA during planning of the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba. It's not an argument that ever crossed Kennedy's lips.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | May 14, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse


Maybe the Botox has caused brain damage.

Posted by: WylieD | May 14, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

saturday night live on pelosi:

http://www.polmachina.com/?p=238

Posted by: rancho | May 14, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Nancy has told so many lies to say elected she finally has confused her self with all her BS.. Why does she not just admit she has lied repeatedly to the public to stay elected and special interest groups , this way she would make less of a fool of her self. Its the Democrats turn to find out both political parties are the same and hind under a different color but their main objective is to stay in power , grab more power and tax the people into submission .

Posted by: surfer1104 | May 14, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Nancy has told so many lies to say elected she finally has confused her self with all her BS.. Why does she not just admit she has lied repeatedly to the public to stay elected and special interest groups , this way she would make less of a fool of her self. Its the Democrats turn to find out both political parties are the same and hind under a different color but their main objective is to stay in power , grab more power and tax the people into submission .

Posted by: surfer1104 | May 14, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

AmericanDemocracy – Dude (dudette?) you might want to find someone to talk to – hmmm maybe a little too high strung – perhaps you are not taking your meds as you should be (naughty .. naughty) – either way around some therapy might help you catch your breath a little !!!

You should really try bungee jumping – or jumping out of an airplane (with a chute of course) the rush of fresh air might make you feel better….. alternatively if neither of these options are attractive to you might I suggest a week long vacation in either Iraq – Afghanistan / Pakistan border ( I hear the Taliban are great hosts ) – Ramala – Gaza ( the beaches are great ) don’t believe any of the “misleading” reports circulating these last few years of Americans and westerners being kidnapped – beheaded – tortured or any such nonsense – truth is these places are so awesome to visit that they are just trying to keep good folks like you scared so they can have the whole place to themselves – get out brother and get a life! And for heavens sake overdose on some CHILL PILLS!!!!

Posted by: zevposner | May 14, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

On this one, you don't need the "Lie to Me" team to examine Ms. Pelosi to determine her veracity. As an amateur, even I have concluded that she is, how do I say this, a LYING LIAR.

This whole torture thing is backfiring on Congressional Democrats who have been blinded by their utter hatred of the evil Bush and even more evil Cheney.

This is one of those cases that will prove, yet again, that hatred--no matter its basis--will consume those who cannot abandon it.

Posted by: jshaver001 | May 14, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Friends - Fellow Citizens - I think AmericanDemocracy is suffering from acute case of lack of love! We need to show our fellow citizen some more love - lets all give AmericanDemocracy a collective group hug!

Posted by: zevposner | May 14, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

The U.S. Code against torture.

The code is clear and concise, the definition leaves little ground for debate, the penalties are specific and detailed.

All elected, and appointed officials regardless of party affiliation must be indicted, arrested and tried for their role in the illegal torture. This includes CIA, Military, and private contractual special operators.

U.S. Code Title 18 Sections 2340 -2340A

Section 2340. Definitions

As used in this chapter -
(1) "torture" means an act committed by a person acting under
the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical
or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering
incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his
custody or physical control;
(2) "severe mental pain or suffering" means the prolonged
mental harm caused by or resulting from -
(A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of
severe physical pain or suffering;
(B) the administration or application, or threatened
administration or application, of mind-altering substances or
other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or
the personality;
(C) the threat of imminent death; or
(D) the threat that another person will imminently be
subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the
administration or application of mind-altering substances or
other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or
personality; and

(3) "United States" includes all areas under the jurisdiction
of the United States including any of the places described in
sections 5 and 7 of this title and section 46501(2) of title 49.

Section 2340A. Torture

(a) Offense. - Whoever outside the United States commits or
attempts to commit torture shall be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both, and if death results to
any person from conduct prohibited by this subsection, shall be
punished by death or imprisoned for any term of years or for life.
(b) Jurisdiction. - There is jurisdiction over the activity
prohibited in subsection (a) if -
(1) the alleged offender is a national of the United States; or
(2) the alleged offender is present in the United States,
irrespective of the nationality of the victim or alleged
offender.

(c) Conspiracy. - A person who conspires to commit an offense
under this section shall be subject to the same penalties (other
than the penalty of death) as the penalties prescribed for the
offense, the commission of which was the object of the conspiracy.


Posted by: HiTechCowBoy | May 14, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Considering a woman of Ms Pelosi's age not recognizing she is being lied to sort of debunks that old chestnut of woman's intuition.

Posted by: slim2 | May 14, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

LOL, when zevposner wrote, "Friends - Fellow Citizens - I think AmericanDemocracy is suffering from acute case of lack of love! We need to show our fellow citizen some more love - lets all give AmericanDemocracy a collective group hug!" it took me about ten minutes to realize that he was talking about a screen name and not making a generic "Mister Rogers" political pronouncement.

I need to get out more!

Posted by: douglaslbarber | May 14, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

U.S. citizens deserve Representatives who are attentive in important briefings and accept accountability when they fail to uphold the public trust; We deserve a Speaker of the House who asks the right questions, not one who cries she is a victim in the face of incompetence.

Posted by: InsideTheBeltway | May 14, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi,Dodd and Frank forced cheney and bush to torture people!! They couldn't help themselves they had to do it or the democratic minority would have ........

Posted by: knjincvc | May 14, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

It's time for Representative Pelosi to step down. Please leave town. Go away, go home and stay there. So-long.

Give the President a chance to develop his ideas without your baggage.

Posted by: Vunderlutz | May 14, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

We witnessed today a person third in line for the Presidency having to consult her notes several times to see what she said a few minutes before. If you are telling the truth, you don't need to have notes.

Several accusations of right wing posters. Define please is there is such a thing as a left wing poster. If Bush had EVER had such a horrific press conference, what would the left wing posters be posting.

Posted by: gsms69 | May 14, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

The Obama administration has open a can of worms, Cheney chose to fight back, and now Obama will sacrifice Pelosi, this is fun Cheney should keep on talking and soil some more Democrat panties.

Posted by: xthat | May 14, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Puhleese! We were all informed of what went on when Gen. Taguba testified before congress military intelligence had orders allowing torture from a rank higher than his during the Abu Gharib hearings. Myers laughably said it was a few bad eggs in the service when the Red Cross said it went beyond Abu Gharib. Congress failed to follow up with Gen. Carbone and unbelievably took Myers testimony as the truth. Dubya gave him another star and he retired. Gen. Taguba retired in digust. Thank you congress. The chances of getting to the bottom of CIA actions is slim to none. The chances of busting most of the players by prosecuting the Plame outing conspiracy is what this American is waiting for.

Posted by: jameschirico | May 14, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

At first, I saw the Pelosi thing as a GOP diversion. Get people to focus on Pelosi so that they forget it was the Bush attorney general's office which authorized torture and the Bush administration which carried it out.

Now I think some good might come of this. I just read that Senator Bob Graham has also said the CIA misled him. Maybe the real issue is not Peolosi or Graham or Shelby (who was also briefed). Maybe the real issue goes back to the CIA. Were they even telling the truth at the time? Probably not. After all, look at how they skewed the evidence on WMDs.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | May 14, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

No use speculating till we see the notes. I can wait. I wanna see the notes that Cheney want's too. Transparency rocks!

Posted by: SuperPants | May 14, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

All you Glenn Beckers are so transparently partisan, and behind that partisan curtain, there's nothing. Let's commit the USA to torture for the first time in its history, you were saying seven years ago and have been saying ever since. And now you're feasting on the carcass of a democrat who seems unsure where she stands on torture, but who certainly wasn't the chief executive who put it in place, while patting Cheney on the back.

You folks must have houses devoid of mirrors. Otherwise, you'd realize how repulsive you are to normal people whose lives aren't consumed by Republican partisanship.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | May 14, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Please; Speaker Pelosi has basically said the same thing for years, that is why they put forth a "torture" bill that Senator Graham, at Senator Kyl's direction put forth another bill about prisoners of war, which Bush vetoed. They eventually got the No Torture bill passed but with much resistance.

I think this is quite idiotic. Pelosi was not a speaker when they were torturing. How silly to mislead the people reichbulicans. Everyone knows the CIA history, not flattering, especially in war. They are known to the World as "TERRORIST'S" and like Iran-Contra, Nicuraugua and the like, they don't feel within the law to obey the law.

You will find that many visitors on your website's are foreigners blogging, because the World has had it with Republicans feel" The U.S. is a law unto itself", a traitor to it's own democracy.

Posted by: archermary | May 14, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

I can hear Herr Goering at the Nuremberg trial now. "Please Mr. Prosecutor, do not reveal the photos of the death camps and gas chambers. Innocent Aryan citizens will be in danger from mobs of angry Jews if they are released. Please keep them secret. Besides, your airplanes photographed our camps, so you knew about them and didn't do anything to stop us. So you are as guilty as we are!"

Posted by: fudador | May 14, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Every word this woman says is a lie, including "and" and "the."

Posted by: theduke89 | May 14, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

I agree, if it is established that she knew waterboarding was being used, and she did nothing officially to try to prevent it, by filing her objections, yes, she must go: one, for lying, that she did not know, two, for supporting it, three, for being a coward to object, if she did not support it. In any case, she is of too light moral base to hold the position which she currently does.

Posted by: rafael1 | May 14, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

You silly Republicans crack me up. You will not stand for any discrepancies, any rewrites, no waffling. That means you should be kicked out of office because it's just intolerable. Have you been awake for the past 8 years???? Bush, Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the list goes on. We've had nothing but lie after lie for 8 years. Bush and Cheney are the ones the ORDERED torture. They are the ones that sent young Americans to Iraq for a lie!! Get over yourselves Republicans. Your hypocrisy is more than I can take.

Posted by: MMB42 | May 14, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

I always said it: this is a bipartisan mess.

The democrats knew all along, approved it and participated on the cover up.

It's not only Bush and Dark Vader. The whole of Congress is part of this stain in American history.

They all benefited from the war mongers in the Pentagon. THey all got a piece of the action. They all got money for participating. THey all have blood in their hands.

Posted by: cintronlourdes | May 14, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Speaker Pelosi was briefed under a cloak of secrecy which severely restricted her ability to confront the CIA and Bush Administration's torture policy.

We now know that the CIA provided so-called "intelligence information" that claimed Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and that he was allied with Al Quaeda.

We know the CIA's information helped to bolster Cheney's and Bush's lies about the need for a preemptive war against war.

We also know the CIA lied to Congress and governments of foreign countries about the existence of black sites, extraordinary rendition and whether citizens of other countries were in their secret prisons.

After torturing and in some cases murdering Arab detainees, the CIA kept quiet while low-level military personnel were scapegoated by Cheney, Bush, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld for war crimes and human rights abuses.

Given all that we know about the CIA why is it so difficult to believe the CIA brought in Nancy Pelosi and other members of Congress for no other reason than to gain tacit approval for their actions?

Posted by: lrobby1 | May 14, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

As far as I am concerned the whole nation is being waterboarded by both sides using not water but sewage.

Posted by: psouleles | May 14, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

I doubt that the love of money is the cardinal sin of those whose American nationalism led them to commit war crimes.

That's pseudo-Marxism at its most simplistic.

Sometimes unreasonable self-preference takes forms which don't involve the exchange of funds.

I don't think the holocaust happened because Hitler figured it would enrich Nazis.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | May 14, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

WHAT WAS PELOSI'S CAMPAIGN PROMISE?

"THE MOST ETHICAL CONGRESS EVER".

PELOSI

Posted by: hotdad14 | May 14, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

I told you Arab nations, US goverment toward Middle East can't be trusted !!!!
Wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran are all wars against Islam, nothing else is nonsense.

Posted by: fin22 | May 14, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

This has gone on long enough. Now Ms. Pelosi is trying to save her career by blaming the CIA and the former administration for her inaction in 2002 - she is lying and Democratic Party has to seriously consider removing her as Speaker. She is not only an embarrassment to the Democrats, she is also an embarrassment to the US Government and America.

Posted by: Realist20 | May 14, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

told you Arab nations, US goverment toward Middle East can't be trusted !!!!
Wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran are all wars against Islam, on behalf for Israel, nothing else is nonsense.

Posted by: fin22 | May 14, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse


THE BIG STORY IS THE HOUSE LEADER, PELOSI, LYING AND ACCUSING THE CIA OF MISLEADING CONGRESS...............BUT THE WASHINGTON POST HEADLINES WITH A PICTURE OF KARL ROVE AND AN ARTICLE ABOUT THE WASHED-UP STORY OF PROSECUTORS BEING FIRED. WOW

media bias at its best!

Posted by: KPSMITH1 | May 14, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

I remember watching the PBS special a few weeks after 9/11 where jumpers bodies were hitting the ground. The firemen in the building didn't know at first what the sound was and then started cringing when they understood.

I can't imagine how horrible it must have been for people to jump out of a 90+ story window to avoid being burned alive.

Posted by: lmc03512 | May 14, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Well, well, well.
The first rock has rolled over.
These briefings were a trap deliberately designed to coopt Congress so they would get out of their way.
The Bush cabal avoided having anything to do with Congress if they could avoid it.
Read the article written yesterday in the Washington Post about these briefings.
These briefings were carefully calculated to confuse the few members involved, who couldn't say anything without being accused of violating their clearances.
The so-called "Gang of Four" was illegal to start with; there were 8 members of Congress who were to be made available under the law to receive briefings on an emergency basis.
By law, the "Gang of Eight."
The CIA held 2 rounds of briefings; in April and September, both in 2002.
Speaker Pelosi was in the loop on the first set of briefings, but was not included in the second round because she no longer served on the Committee.
Her aide, who attended the second round told her about the briefing, that waterboarding was being used and that a letter she never saw had been sent.
It was out of her hands, at that point.
All you people who claim Pelosi is lying -- your comments have a general omission.
You never say the CIA might have "misled" (Pelosi's term) or "lied" (to match your term).
This whole exercise was a trap for Congress set by the Bush cabal to set the stage for just such as scene as we see today.
The fact is, many if not all of these techniques are straightforwardly illegal both under U.S. laws and international treaties we have honored for years.
It's time to set up a special prosecutor, prosecute and convict all the way up the line to the instigators.
Dick Cheney has been out talking his head off.
Maybe literally.
The game is: let's get Nancy Pelosi and skewer her.
Distract, dodge and thereby defend, right?
If we the people fall for this and take our eye off the ball of complete openness and responsibility at all levels, we are making a mistake which will likely sentence our country to death.
If we don't root out this rot, we will never be taken seriously again.
Nor will we deserve to be, either.

Posted by: Judy-in-TX | May 14, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

told you Arab nations, US goverment toward Middle East can't be trusted !!!!
Wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran are all wars against Islam, on behalf for Israel, nothing else is nonsense.

Posted by: fin22 | May 14, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

This despicable lying piece of garbage should be forced to resign from office. So much for bringing ethics to Washington.

Let them keep talking, look what the Demorats have given us since they are now in the limelight and not hidden in the dark like cockroaches. Lets see we have Dodd, Barney Frank, Old whiskey face Durban, Ried and the Tax cheats. It can only get better

Posted by: myword | May 14, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

WHO CARES WHAT PELOSI DID OR DIDN'T KNOW, SINCE SHE WAS PROHIBITED BY LAW FROM SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT IT?

This is classic Republican BS. They may have gotten the Post to bite (big surprise!) but it won't matter for long.

The REAL ISSUES are when did the Bush administration start torturing, lying about it, and trying to cover it up.

For George Bush and all his lying torture-loving hacks:

PROSECUTE. CONVICT. IMPRISON.

Posted by: losthorizon10 | May 14, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse


I don't know who's lying. I wouldn't put it past the CIA or Pelosi. But we have to investigate and prosecute these hideous and evil war crimes committed by the Bush regime. If Pelosi is swept up in these prosecutions, so be it.

Justice and defending American values is more important than party affiliation.

Posted by: sequoiaqueneaux | May 14, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Can we wake up, finally, from this dream of the USA as planet earth's white knight, and realize that we put on our pants the same way other nations do?

Pride goes before a fall.

Especially blind pride. That would be pride blind to

1) USA's record on genocide against the people native to the place European immigrants invaded. If you don't know about the Five Civilized Tribes and the Trail of Tears, you're not even fit to participate in the discussion.

2) USA's record on chattel slavery.

3) USA's record on industrialization, probably the most violent history of labor relations in the western world. (Most will know nothing about this.)

4) USA's record on use of nuclear weapons against civilians - twice.

5) USA's record fighting tooth and nail against the civil rights of people of color - a war still being waged today against "illegal immigrants". (I wonder how the Native Americans who greeted the pilgrims and the puritans regarded their immigration status?) (I wonder how a nation of immigrants living on lands won with rifles from aboriginal people with bows and arrows suddenly feels morally entitled to fiercely defend its borders?)

OK, it's your turn, Rush and Glenn.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | May 14, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

We have only ourselves to blame if we follow the directions of Washington and the Media establishment in turning this into a partisan blame game.
There is a fundamental issue that is at stake here that is far more important than whether one labels oneself a Republican or Democrat. Our government tortured and killed people and continues to lie about it. Does anyone get this??
Partisan bickering is simply falling into a trap.
It will take unity among Americans to hold our government responsible for its egregious actions-not score settling.
Pelosi, Cheney, whomever was a part of this blatant violation of our laws and Constitution deserve to be punished. This is a black and white issue-there are laws and they were violated, those responsible need to be punished. If not, we no longer need a police force since anyone can argue that they committed a crime for utilitarian reasons. Maybe that's why there is such a rush to buy guns in this country.

Posted by: CypressTree | May 14, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

I told you Arab nations, US goverment toward Middle East can't be trusted !!!!
Wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran are all wars against Islam, on behalf for Israel, nothing else is nonsense. Especially, disgraced ex-president bush deserved the shoes-throw.

Posted by: fin22 | May 14, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

I think a diversity of polls has sufficiently shown that a majority of all Americans do NOT object to subjecting alleged terrorists to "enhanced interrogation techniques", more accurately known as TORTURE, so where does that leave Pelosi? Representing a majority of American voters, no?

Posted by: hansdekoning | May 14, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

I told you Arab nations, US goverment toward Middle East can't be trusted !!!!
Wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran are all wars against Islam, on behalf for Israel, nothing else is nonsense. Especially, disgraced ex-president bush deserved the shoes-throw and the americans soldiers don't deserve to die in Iraq, Afghanistan for nothing.

Posted by: fin22 | May 14, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse


Dear America:

Speaker of the House Pelosi is using the same exact argument Richard Nixon used during Watergate. And the only way she will ever leave her position is feet first... This woman has wated "a very long time" and will not be taken down, just for lying to the American Nation. No sir!

She is lying outright. In my opinion, she should be charged with "gross, malicious and intentional negligence" for denying what she, and her staff, knew all along.

She must be reminded that she can not, and will not be allowed to hide behind the Bush Administration...

Sounds very familiar to... "I din't have sex with that woman"! Remember him! Same party and same principles...

Posted by: vtr123 | May 14, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Question:

If a high officer in the Japanese military during WWII received intelligence that the USA was planning to use nuclear weapons against Japan, would that officer have been justified in ordering the torture of USA POW's who might know something about it?

Just askin'.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | May 14, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

hey pelosi, what goes around, comes around? what did you know nancy, and when did you know it?

you were a fool at your press conference. resign now.

Liberal democrats hypocrites!!! 2010 is coming, and you are making a mockery of the United States of America. no wonder they are trying to push through health care this summer!

Posted by: jim000122 | May 14, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

what a sexist lynch mob attack on the first female speaker---let the boys off who lost torture tapes and got us into the Iraq war
Give them h##@## Nancy--cause it is up to them to prove and put a name to who is giving these leaks

Posted by: Noahark | May 14, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Knew

Posted by: mikeinburtonsville | May 14, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

listen Senator Graham is known as the note taker of all time. He took notes on everything, an all meeting. 3 of the meetings the C.I.A says he attended an was briefed on waterboarding is false, and he can prove it. Seems to have a briefing of this high caliber you have to have member of eight an staff can't be in the room. The only one that they can prove they meet him on had included two staffer/ not a member # of 8. Hence, you jumped on Polosi to soon guys! Seems Polosi probally is telling the trueth. You shouldn't lie on a guy like graham who probally has notes from the first day he intered Gov. Everyone use to laugh at him for it.

Posted by: abbytreadway2 | May 14, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

If Pelosi really thinks CIA lied to the Congress, what is she waiting for here? Why didn't she call for the DOJ or an independent Counselor to investigate it? Unless ....

Posted by: wangAustin | May 14, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

This is the same lady who ran for re-elecion saying that she would impeach Bush but when she was re-elected she became just like
George W. Bush only with t i t s, lying to the American public saying things that we not true and NOT impeaching Bush.

So Nancy Bush Pelosi you lied to America.

Posted by: 1-20-09 | May 14, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it's sexist to say, "Yo, Nancy - 'CIA lied to me' is not gonna wash". She's kind of saying, "those brutes abused poor little old female me."

Sorry, Nancy. If you're liable to abuse by clever CIA manipulation of memos and arguments, you're not tough enough for the job.

It just won't do, to end up with some top USA official complaining, "Oh, that Bin Laden, he was just so unfair."


Posted by: douglaslbarber | May 14, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

You know curious, the same could be said about the Bush administration. Why are Republicans trying their best to make Nancy Pelosi responsible for the torture that Dick Cheney and George Bush made? Last I heard Nancy Pelosi is Speaker of the House, not President. She was briefed, briefing is not decision making. Bush was the decider and Cheney told him what to decide.

Posted by: catmomtx | May 14, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Shame on the Washington Post for taking a GOP spoon fed story and helping the party of Limbaugh perpetuate a falsehood about who is responsible for waterboarding. Pelosi says that she was NOT told about waterboarding and Bob Graham backs her up. But that's not really the story here. Even if she did get briefed about it, the only people responsible for it are the people who ORDERED it. The Washington Post was once a great paper. How sad that it is reduced to taking up the cause of Dick Cheney because it is working overtime to shake the label of being a liberal newspaper.

Posted by: nysteveo2 | May 14, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a mental case and as such she poses a serious threat to the rest of us because she can't discern between reality and the dark world her mind inhabits.

Posted by: tico1214 | May 14, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

I only have one question. At what point is the House Ethics Committee going to step in?

Posted by: l_ervin | May 14, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

East coast and west coast, can you please give us a liberal female congresswoman who does wake up every day angry and outraged, and bent on some sort of witch hunt? What's with all of these angry soccer mom senators and representatives?

Posted by: RealTexan1 | May 14, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

So torture is all about pelosi now? How is it that the dems always let repubs accuse the accusor and get themselves off the hook.

Posted by: tmcproductions2004 | May 14, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

The government of the United States of America is overbearing, self-righteous, and corrupt. Before it will answer to citizens angry over its war crimes it will release confidential information about those who challenge it, targeted for the purpose of embarassing them.

It's been a long, long time since the USA was what it imagines itself to be: government of the people, by the people, for the people.

Now here's something to ponder. Perhaps Honest Abe Lincoln set that train in motion, with a draft, and suspension of habeas corpus, all for the purpose of preventing states from seceding from the union (you will recall that he said he would save the union by keeping slavery, if that's what it took).

I think that's what I'd call "reification of the union". And here we are.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | May 14, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Back in the 1940's in Mills County, Iowa in the days of the wringer washer, my dad, a life-long Democrat, would have said: "Looks like Nancy's got her tit caught in the wringer again!"

Posted by: johnson0572 | May 14, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

So when does she resign?

This whole ridiculous investigation, started by DEMOCRATS is backfiring to a degree that is hilarious!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the laughs Nancy!

Posted by: j9zig1 | May 14, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

johnson0572, without the biographical details, that's an obnoxious post. With them, it's a winner.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | May 14, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

I doubt that the democratic party will learn the lesson in this case, but here it is:

If you promote someone to high office on the basis of their gender or race, do not be surprised when they look like a deer in the headlights when the feces hit the fan.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | May 14, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

ATTENTION: Ask Thumb Sucking Cry Baby Terrorist Coddling Democrats The Following Question In Front of Their Children:

“If your child were kidnapped by terrorists and being skinned alive and slow roasted over a fire and you had a terrorist in your possession who had the information that could save your baby’s life and that information could be obtained by being a bit rough on the terrorist – would you do whatever you had to do to the terrorist – to include REAL torture – and not that playground “enhanced interrogation” stuff - to extract the information to save your child’s life?

Make sure you ask it with all seriousness, deliberately and clearly and concern for the child and a note of extreme doubt about the parent. The parent has to answer the question. A non-answer or an attempt to evade will forever imprint on the child’s mind that “my parent would hesitate to do whatever it takes save me”.

It is time to play hardball with these scumbag Democrats.

Then say “look, if you won’t give a simple yes or no answer let me tell your child that if you were mine I would move heaven and earth. I would do ANYTHING that it took to extract the information. That is not even a question and not even debatable. Let me know when you want me to adopt you”.

Your Democrat parents would rather you die a horrible death than cause ANY discomfort to the terrorist. Your Democrat Coddling Parents care more about coddling a terrorist than they would you.

However if you were to be adopted by a Republican - they would do anything it took to save you.

And THAT is the difference.

Think about it.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Start putting them on the spot and put an end to this cowardly BS the Democrats are attempting to engage in to the detriment of the nation.

Posted by: Democrat_Culture_of_Corruption | May 14, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Democrat_Culture_of_Corruption, if we took your advice, how would we be different from any other self-interested nation on earth? What reason would we have to expect other nations to work with us?

You right wing nut cases really have a lot of nerve, but no political sensibility, mouthing off as you do.

The nation vomited during the last election - and that was the mild form of Republicanism - McCain.

I can't wait till your form of Republicanism comes up for a vote.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | May 14, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

And there you have it kids. Your Democrat parents would NOT do whatever it took to save you.


And that tells you all you need to know about Democrats.

Posted by: Democrat_Culture_of_Corruption | May 14, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Here's an election I'd love.

Barack Obama v Rush Limbaugh. 2012.

Who do *you* think would win that election?

Oh wait. Substitute Cheney. Recount.

Who do *you* think would win that election?

Oh wait. Try Kathryn Jean Lopez.

Who do *you* think would win that election?

Etc.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | May 14, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Attention Kids!: Are Your Parents Liberal Democrats? Want to Know if They Really Love You? Here’s a Simple Test!

Has your Liberal parent been a hypocrite lately? Are they ticking you off? Want a sure fired way to get back at them and put them on the spot and expose their hypocrisy in your life once and for all?

Here’s what you do;

Ask your parent the following question clearly and forcefully - in front of all their friends:

“If I, your beloved kid, were kidnapped by terrorists and they were going to skin me alive and slow roast me over a fire and you had a terrorist in your possession who had the information that could save my life and that information could be obtained by being a bit rough on the terrorist – would you do whatever you had to do to the terrorist – to include REAL torture – and not that playground “enhanced interrogation” stuff - to extract the information to save my life?

Do not give them any wiggle room. Make sure they understand this is a no-nonsense question and this is the test of their lifetime to answer it correctly. Make them give you a yes or no answer. If they don’t, look them in the eye with a knowing look and say “I thought so…” then turn around and walk away.

If your parent does not immediately state “I would do far worse than “water-boarding” to anyone to get information to save your life – you better believe it!” If the first words out of their mouth are dodging, obfuscation, or trying not to answer the question clearly, honestly and forthright – then they have told you all you need to know.

Your Democrat parents would rather you die a horrible death than cause ANY discomfort to the terrorist. Your Democrat Coddling Parents care more about coddling a terrorist than they would you. Sorry you had to find out this sad fact.

However if you were to be adopted by a true Republican Conservative - they would do anything it took to get the information to save you would have a very clear understanding of that.

And THAT is the difference.

Think about it.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Posted by: Democrat_Culture_of_Corruption | May 14, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Two things are clear, Pelosi never approved of torture, and says she was merely at some point partially informed and being not at liberty to say anything to anyone, the information being classified, [except to her immediate successor, Harmon, who lodged a concern with the CIA general counsel to inquire if the President was aware of these goings on.] She did all that was in her power to do. She subsequently rallied congress to come up with general legislation against these ehnhanced techniques, without divulging clasified knowlege, but Bush vetoed it. It is not like she didn't try.

Why can't folks follow this? It is not that she is shifting about, some of you just don't follow very well.

As for protecting our "children" ...In the first place, it is not at all clear that ALL the people being tortured were in fact terrorists. They had never been charged nor tried. It is precisely because I DO care about my kid, a Marine, who did Republican's dirty work, that I oppose state run torture. [What I might do were my kids threaten dos not even relate.]

We have absolutely no moral credibility now to expect mercy for our soldiers from overzealous fanatics who think turn-about is fair play should they capture our soldiers.

We seemed to think turn-about was fair play when we bombed the hell out of Afghanistan so why shouldn't they in this instance? Then it turned out the great majority of the hijackers were Saudi. Why the Bush administration did anything it did remains a mystery to most of us, but mark my words, eventually the truth will come out.

Just wish we could be the great nation we once were when we knew we wore the white hats.

Posted by: Justjean1 | May 15, 2009 2:58 AM | Report abuse

I'm surprised and disappointed in WashingtonPost.com. After reading the articles in this morning's post by Dan Balz, Paul Kane and Dana Milbank I was very eager to see the Pelosi newsconference. I was also grateful that the Post chose to highlight on its front page that the newsconference could be viewed on the Post's website.

As described by the aforementioned Post writers, who could never be mistaken for Republican/conservative shills, Ms. Pelosi appeared to be extremely uncomfortable and made repeated attempts to disengage. I was very eager to see what Mr. Milbank described as Ms. Pelosi's repeated attempts to
"crab-walk out of the session." The Q&A was far and away the most interesting part of the news conference yet the clip that WashingtonPost.com selected to feature on its site completely omitted these most newsworthy moments. Nor did the clip include the more incendiary of Pelosi's accusations. I hazard to guess that if Pelosi's staff had been given the option to select which clips were featured that they would have chosen the exact 1:25 chosen by WashingtonPost.com. I was also very eager to see what the Post editor's would have to say about the Pelosi's accusations and was stunned to see that the Post's editorial board did not see this worthy of comment. The editorial board instead chose to use this valuable real estate to endorse the democratic candidate for the Montgomery County Council - a candidate the Post strongly opposed in the primary because of concerns that she was too beholden to various unions. The POST did acknowledge that the Republican candidate had some good ideas that the "Council members should keep in mind" but concluded that he was not a good choice presumably
because he has a history of heckling at basketball games which, along with other liabilities (i.e. that he is Republican) make him "too polarizing a figure." I'm not suggesting a liberal bias here. Everyone realizes that there is no greater measure of a candidate's effectiveness than how he comports himself at basketball games.

The Post has once again demonstrated one of the reasons why it will be one of the first major dailies to shutter its doors. But WashingtonPost.com would seem to have a rosy future - at least in the near term as Democrats control both Houses of Congress and the Executive office. Well done, well done. You've once again demonstrated - both in the old media and the new media - that you are willing to sacrifice all semblance of objectivity and balance to help advance the interests of your allies in the Democratic party.

Posted by: Vayank | May 15, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Mrs. Speaker, take the fifth or admit to the American people you made an error in judgement, after all, you're just a career politician liked every other politicians in Washington. My son once told me our dog ate his homework, I believed him and we didn't even have a dog at the time.

Posted by: hvdo2001 | May 15, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Lying to Congress is against the Law. If the CIA lied to Pelosi then she should institute legal proceedings.

Posted by: miltvery | May 15, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

The Queen has fallen off her throne....Nancy for once in your life do the honorable thing and just admit you are a political opportunist. I'm a life-long Democratic and you are a bitter disappointment. Your actions over the past several months have done nothing to help the President build coalitions. You and your actions are the reason that the Party cannot hold on to the electorate's confidence. The President would be well served if you dropped your ego at the door to the House Chamber, and became a real Leader.

Posted by: jeholleran | May 15, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

If she knew, she is an accomplice.

This is only a step away from Holocaust. The difference, is only one of degree. Just because millions were not marched into concentration camps, but only hundreds - DOESN'T make it okay!!

Anyone who authorized it, anyone who performed it, anyone who aided or abetted torture - is a criminal under United States law.
It was easy to punish the Nazis. The problem is, Nazis was THEM, so it was easy. This is US.

I fear for my country when the two parties argue over who knew that we were torturing people.

Posted by: TramplingGrapes | May 15, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

From what I've already HEARD on the radio in terms of excerpts from this press conference, it seems these two video "highlights" which The Post has chosen to show are the LEAST incriminating/embarrassing and the MOST supportive of her posturing perspective. Having said that, and admitting to my right leaning, I believe there is ENTIRELY too much posturing happening right now on both sides (see Sean Hannity's fillibuster-like diatribes)...is it the right's response to this admistration's bullying tactics that has prompted this overreaction or is it just politics as usual?

Posted by: My2Cents64 | May 15, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

If Speaker Pelosi were as competent as she needs be to remain Speaker of the House, she would have avoided the first lie by suggesting that she was unable to remember clearly the time and circumstances under which she first heard about CIA waterboarding. But, then, there would have been no partisam advantage to that.

Posted by: rchelfrich | May 15, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

As Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, has been a poor watchman for our people. We understand political parties, but outright deception is something both sides are supposed to hate and fight against.

Whatever credibility she had before Barack Obama was selected and elected, she lost when she refused to call upon him to present his birth certificate, passport, school records and sss to prove he was a legal candidate. She needed no authority other than what we already had. It is the same with other senators and representatives. If we cannot trust them to keep this legal, we cannot trust them in anything else they say. This is a sad day in America; but we have a chance to take our authority and press the media, government and religious leaders to call on him to release his documents to satisfy these questions of the American people.

Barack Obama certainly thinks he has something to hide; otherwise, his records would be lifted up in full view.

Charges and evidences against Barack Obama are on my website, court style, at:
http://www.divine-way.com/forgery_evidences_sss_reg_colb_birth_cert_for_obama_impeachment.html
and
http://obama-birth-cert-forged-sss-impeach.blogspot.com

We cannot let this go without the truth; too much is at stake. If we allow someone other than a natural born citizen to be president now, we cannot stop it later. We must not have divided loyalties.

Posted by: MarieDevine | May 15, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Oversee: 1. to direct (work or workers); supervise; manage. 2. to see or observe . to survey or watch, as from a higher position. 3. to look over; examine; inspect.

At the time, the highest ranking member of the intelligence committee Pelosi was in fact, briefed in 2002 solely as an OVERSEER of what was taking place. She was there for no other reason than to supervise these operations, nothing else, period!

She now feelbly contends that at the 2002 briefing she was: "told the CIA was not waterboarding detainees." I wonder, was she also told they were not chopping off heads, poking eyes out, or performing amputations? Was she so specifically informed with regard to using the rack, red-hot pokers, or the iron maiden? Why pray tell, would anyone be that specific about only one single technique (of literally hundereds) they were trying to portray as not in use? What could possibly have been gained by anyone wishing to decieve her to even mention waterboarding at all? These lame denials reek! The truth is that even if she was not informed on one so-called torture, she clearly knew about all the rest all along. And all she did about that was gladly and actively provide the funding that made more of the same possible.

Even if this were somehow untrue, which it is not, Pelosi was again slated to oversee the ongoing operations in 2003. She was so deeply concerned and alarmed that she sent her aide and did not even go. Either way she undeniably knew for certain exactly what the findings of that meeting were and what her funding was being put toward. Her silence and complete lack of any moral outrage after gaining this indisputable proof? Deafening! Her contention that she was powerless to do anything while at the same time being brought in solely to oversee this classified operation? Utterly contemtible!

It's interesting that she has now tried linking this alleged "misinformation (actually felony accusation against CIA underlings) on waterboarding to the faulty reports of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The woman has no shame and will pin blame any perceived scapegoat she kind find. The reason I find this so interesting is that in '98 under Clinton, another spineless worm right out of the same mold did the exact same thing, Tom Daschle started demanding air and missile strikes to defeat Iraq's emminent threats to the US in the form of it's WMD programs. Only months after the war started however, this same Dasc-HOLE was among the first on the bandwagon that--HE--was the one being misled by the Bush Admin. Sadly, Pelosi and her tax dodging predecessor do not possess enough vertabrea between them to actually have, let alone stand by any conviction.

Pelosi like Daschle, is a liar and needs to go.

Posted by: artyanimal | May 17, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

As I understand it the meeting with the C.I.A. and Pelosi took place 7 years ago and only half of Pelosi crew were present and everyone there was sworn to secrecy and not permitted to discuss anything about the meeting with anyone. The Bush administration, the C.I.A. and The republican party knew they were breaking the law. Colon Powell knew the war was a shame by Bush and Cheney. Is it right for the right wing and criminals in the C.I.A. to pass the buck to Pelosi? Did Pelosi know that the detainees were going to be water boarded until they gave the information that Bush and Cheney wanted to hear? Did Pelosi commit war crimes, crimes against humanity and crimes against the constitution? Pelosi's innocent.

Posted by: kimkimminni1 | May 17, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I would imagine at this juncture in time Madame Speaker of the House now wishes she had kept her mouth shut when she took "impeachment" of George W. Bush off the table! If she had allowed impeachment hearings to begin, she might not be in the jam she currently is in with her many statements about what she knew about the "enhanced techniques" the past Administration used. She deserves everything she gets, and if it is proven she knew all about the torture she's as guilty as the Republicans are who authorized this illegal action and needs to be held accountable.

Posted by: Tommytoons | May 18, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I would imagine at this juncture in time Madame Speaker of the House now wishes she had kept her mouth shut when she took "impeachment" of George W. Bush off the table! If she had allowed impeachment hearings to begin, she might not be in the jam she currently is in with her many statements about what she knew about the "enhanced techniques" the past Administration used. She deserves everything she gets, and if it is proven she knew all about the torture she's as guilty as the Republicans are who authorized this illegal action and needs to be held accountable.

Posted by: Tommytoons | May 18, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

My fellow Americans - America does not even rank within the top 25 countries in the world for education.


Help me out here. Do I have this correct- or have I missed an event for 'calling resignations'...

First it as AG Holder- Americans are cowards comment and they wanted his resignation.


Next- it was Secretary of Treasury's resignation.


Next it was Secretary Homeland Security for defaming our 'military'


Now- Pelosi?


What am I missing?

Posted by: sasha2008 | May 18, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Email is good for many good things but also, unfortunately, for posting rants. I don't know how much Speaker Pelosi knew about CIA interrogation tactics nor when she heard of them, but I also don't think it's my place to jump the gun and spew hatred at her. Whether her opponents think waterboarding is effective or not, do they think it is morally right? Or do they feel that *anything* is morally right when used against suspected, not even proven, terrorists? To put it another way, have these same people expressed any repugnance --even the smallest iota of unease-- at the CIA's tactics?

Posted by: guicci | May 18, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

When a catholic italian politician woman spouts off about being misled,about not being informed about this or that then there are CIA and other government officials who are called on the carpet or rolled into a carpet and thrown in an alley depending on what approach this organization is taking,yet if a catholic woman who is being targeted and disallowed from speaking out on the injustices and abuses inflicted upon her and her children,then these people can't be bothered,can't be worried what "a mentally ill woman is saying".The cultural diversity and selective approach to saving a career involves politics even when there is no election.So trivial in the big picture of things to allow for all the secrecy when in reality there never has been accountability or restitution given to those of US who have and continue to put our lives in harms way to have our voices heard and to protect our children.

Posted by: formerheap | May 18, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

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