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Conrad Sees Little Chance for Public Option

By John Amick
A crucial Democratic member of the Finance Committee, the panel devising what is considered to be the prime vehicle for health-care reform legislation in the Senate, said on Sunday that hope for a government-run public option to be included in a final reform bill is all but dead.

"The fact of the matter is there are not the votes in the United States Senate for the public option," Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) said on "Fox News Sunday." "There never have been. So to continue to chase that rabbit, I think, is just a wasted effort."

Thus, Conrad said, proponents such as President Obama, who has voiced support for a public option to "keep the insurance companies honest," should temper their expectations.

Conrad's proposal for a health-care co-op program is seen as the likeliest of options that will come from the Finance Committee. He says the regionalized co-op plan would give insurance buyers more choice, stressing that he sees no way a public option would find its way in any final version of legislation. "So to continue to chase that rabbit I think is just a wasted effort," Conrad said.

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It's got the same chance that you have of getting reelected Mr Conrad. Get behind the public option, or get the hell out. Fox news drones may shout fact-free drivel at town halls, but they don't vote in democratic primaries.

No public option = no vote for you. Ever again.

Posted by: Brix | August 16, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

A public option is essential. Democrats! Where's your backbone?

Posted by: brightbluegorilla | August 16, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

The countries who have health plans rated far above the U.S. all have a "public option" - if not "single payer." Why aren't we copying from these folks? Answer: Insurance lobbyists:(

Posted by: finleysteve | August 16, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Democrats have practiced "Eugenics" through government for decades. The Health Care bill has given them an opportunity to advance "eugenic" methods veiled inside this enormous bill

And the Public Option would have been a boon to pushing these methods out across a large swath of the populace. Particularly the uneducated and poor. All without regard to costs.

The good news is Economics has come to bear and slow their agenda.

Posted by: mewcomm | August 16, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Thank God for reasonable and responsible Senators like Kent Conrad, who will provide a Health Bill that is faie, affordable and not a step into socialism as Obama, Pelosi and Waxman want.

Posted by: Realist20 | August 16, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

There may be an other explanation for the increasing chaos and the desire for the simple public option or the simpler Medicare extension. Regardless, Medicare must be reformed regardless of any extensions.

The chaos theory discusses the risks of uncoordinated change. Certainly the 1000 page Bill written by a 1000 lobbyists fits the criteria of uncoordinated.

"The primary goal of an organizational development (OD) consultant is to initiate, facilitate, and support successful change in an organization. Using chaos theory as the sole model for change may be far too risky for any stakeholder buy-in. The concept of uncertainty on which chaos theory relies is not an appealing motive for change compared to many alternative "safer" models of organizational change which entail less risk. By careful planning and management of disorder, a successful intervention is possible, but only with a truly dedicated arsenal of talented and creative resources. By permitting or actively forcing an organization to enter a chaotic state, change becomes inevitable and bifurcation imminent; but the question remains, "Will the new direction be the one intended?" In order to account for the direction of the new thrust, most planning attention should be focused on attractors instead of the initiation of disorder." Wikipedia

While the debate rages, people say "Bill? What Bill? What is the plan?"

Modernize Medicare and incrementally add the uninsured. Just do it.

The chaos theory demands a very simple and low risk solution. That there are so many fearful, mis-informed, or multiple ideas implies chaos is at work. Also, no one wants to even bother reading the Bill which implies something.

Posted by: Beacon2 | August 16, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

For God's sake, who would pay for a public option - Obama is spending dough at a rate that makes Bush look like Jack Benny. How about tort reform? Oh, I forgot - Democrats are in bed with the special interest of trial lawyers. My mistake. Tort reform will never happen with this administration - never.

Posted by: birvin9999 | August 16, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, Conrad is probably right, but it is a shame that he and other democrats do not have more spine (other body parts come to mind) than to give up on the number 1 cost containment policy in the over reform program.

Democrats do not seem to understand that if they do not stand as one on health care it will not only be Obama's principal domestic policy issue that goes down the tubes, but also Obama and most of the other weak kneed elected officials that are throwing him under the bus.

Posted by: devcondg | August 16, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

If you see the public option as an essential element of health care reform than you need to act now.

Send an e-mail to the White House asking the President to make clear his demands for a public option and press him to veto any bill that doesn't include it.

Senator Conrad and other cowardly Democrats are more concerned with their next election than they are in helping the American people.

Enough of the back room dealings. It's time for Obama and the Democrats to take a stand and support real reform for the people, support the public option.

Posted by: kkord1 | August 16, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

What a stinking disappointment Obama has turned out to be as president. A president should never attack our own citizens as bitter, religious, or stupid while fecklessly apologizing to every dictator in the world. And telling his staff to punch those who voice opposing opinions? And setting up a government web site where citizens are encouraged to denounce other citizens? What the heck is going on here? No president who was born here would ever act like this.

Posted by: georgejones5 | August 16, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I must give Republicans their due. When Mr.Bush and Mr. Cheney were in power their party was disciplined and supported their agenda to a fault. Here we have Democrats with a clear majority fighting among themselves over an issue that was placed on their platform during the election and was endorsed by the majority of voters. It seems to me that the special interest groups have gotten to some of them and that is causing dilatory tactics. Health reform is necessary now. If serving Democrats cannot get it done now, we need to replace them so that they will not have the opportunity to shaft their respective constituencies further. Any Bill without a Public option would be soft and would require rework at a future time when the tide might not be in our favor. I say do it now and serve the interest of the people at large. The rule of law must prevail and hooliganism organized by special interests must be scorned.

Posted by: fasm7700 | August 16, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Vote the bum out of office. Blue dog, LMAO.
No public option means for profit healthcare will continue to do what is best for the bottom line, not Americans. Plans see cost rises 5x the inflation rate, with insurance profits going from 4% in the 60s to near 10% today and more for evil US Healthcare getting 10 billion extra from medicare than other government providers.

Posted by: jameschirico | August 16, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

One simple question I would like asked of President Obama and of all the Congressional Democrats is why isn't tort reform part of the equation to control health care costs. Everyone...BUT the Tort Bar is being vilified as greed mongers hellbent on profits over meaningful, affordable health care. Why is that. We can all have our opinions on what is and isn't good about the current health-care reform debate but no one can possibly disagree with forcing the Tort Bar to the table like every other entity that impacts health-care costs today.

Posted by: porkulus | August 16, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Time to drive DINOs out of office if they oppose a public option. Until we take the first step towards eliminating wasteful, bloated, blood-sucking health insurance companies entirely, we won't have accomplished anything that matters. This is a Democrat-or-not issue and it's time for Obama and Reid to take off the gloves and play rough. There should be NO revenues spent in any state whose senator opposes a public option.

Posted by: dolph924 | August 16, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Regional DEM groups should start pushing for states to look at single payer at the state level and heavy regulation of any private insurance operating within their state.

Posted by: Matthew_DC | August 16, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

It seems the insurance industry has bought out the Senate and the House. They're afraid of the competition, and all the citizen can fight back with is the vote. Unfortunately the conservatives have flooded the airwaves with lies and misinformation. The status quo will continue to enrich the lobbyists and the insurance executives while the working stiff continues to go broke. It's a sad state of affairs.

Posted by: William_Holland | August 16, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

My blog -- Waiting for Obama. A critique of what Democrats are doing wrong. The public option has to be in any meaningful reform.

http://zhenren-waitingforobama.blogspot.com/

Posted by: paulnolan97 | August 16, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

No public option = As a progressive I'll work against any plan that forces me sign up with an insurance company. Kill Any bill without a public option. It'll just be a pay off to insurance companies. Kill it.

Posted by: rodneythecat | August 16, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

So they say we need choice but only for those who want to choose an insurance company. All those Americans who want a public option get no choice at all. Conrad wants to protect insurance companies and not the American people. I say, give us Medicare for all. Most of the angry people at town halls are seniors who don't want socialized medicine. I say, I'll trade with you. You can pay premiums for premiums for private insurance (if you can find a private insurer who will accept a senior, fat chance) and I will take Medicare.

Posted by: goldie2 | August 16, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Is this a set up by a brilliant politician? If we don't have a public option is Obama going to veto the bill and tell the public that this isn't real reform and essentially demand that the electorate in 2010 give him a Congress that will deliver what the vast majority of Americans want a Public OPTION.

Many of us want Single provider, but at a bare minimum, we must have a Public OPTION. I have (knock on wood) never had a serious problem and my total health insurance claims, because of deductibles, in the past 25 years have been less than $100 in medical payments and limited claims for prescription drugs, but others in my small group have had issues and our rates are very very very high.

As for the "Death Panel", this is also false rhetoric. But in the current private system, the private providers, in fact, do ration care. For example, I know someone who was going to Sub-Saharan Africa for a 3 month trip. The Insurance Company would only approve one month of Anti-Malarial Medication at a time. How was this person supposed to get months 2 and 3 of meds? The person ended up having to pay the full cost out of his own pocket after he informed the insurance company that he was considering simply going unprotected. They told him that they would then consider the malaria "self-inflicted" and not cover it, and that he would simply have to come back and get his monthly allocation every month. It isn't gonna be any worse under a public option.

Posted by: dcraven925 | August 16, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Those posters who wave tort reform don't know that it has been a failure in Texas in controlling costs. It didn't work. It is not a solution. It's been tried and failed.

Posted by: goldie2 | August 16, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

No public option? Big mistake.


Without the public option, with respect to calling this health care REFORM, there's no there there.

Posted by: labman57 | August 16, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I won't believe it's off the table until a bill is passed that excludes public option. I'm thinking this is "bait & switch" to allow for a cooling off period in the hope that people will forget about it.

They won't.

A bill has to be pretty lousy when Obama can't get his own minions in line to support it. I'm thankful for those Democrats who have enough brains and balls to stand up to the Big O.

Posted by: JackESpratt | August 16, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

A mere 72% of Americans support the public option, so why would we expect our elected representatives to adopt a public option? They have way too many special interests to appease, free lunches and campaign contributions to collect.

Posted by: ejs2 | August 16, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

should this coward be reelected will be a disgrace to the america.

Posted by: donaldtucker | August 16, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

This country is being run by the corporations for the corporations and people like Conrad are nothing but corporate conduits. The right wingers have used the corporate TV and print media, including the Washington Post, to utter bold faced lies and distortions to maintain the status quo. It does not matter who gets elected...one can say that elections are basically a veneer that does not change who is running the country.

Posted by: kevin1231 | August 16, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

MEWCOMM wrote;
Democrats have practiced "Eugenics" through government for decades. The Health Care bill has given them an opportunity to advance "eugenic" methods veiled inside this enormous bill

And the Public Option would have been a boon to pushing these methods out across a large swath of the populace. Particularly the uneducated and poor. All without regard to costs.

The good news is Economics has come to bear and slow their agenda.

====
That's an incredibly stupid and farfetched supposition. Now that you've made it, prove it.

Posted by: lewfournier1 | August 16, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Obama is off on another "the sky is falling" tour. We heard it before and got rushed into the unread pork stimulus. NO public option instead get some stiff regulations making insurance available and affordable, and portable. Get the drug companies to make their product more affordable. Cover the really needy and the rest can just buy their own basic insurance, make it just like car insurance. No free care to illegals. Preventative care is way too expensive for all. Everyone has to take responsibility for their own lives. Use the unspent balance of the stimulus to either refund it to us, give it to small businesses or refund social security for the money stolen from it over the years. STOP THE SPENDING!!!!

Posted by: katie6 | August 16, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

A public option, if it doesn't lead to a total takeover because of unfair advantages, is in everyone's interest (other than the insurance companies).

Progressives in the House will not support a bill without a credible option.

Co-ops are not a credible compromise, even if they are worth trying in their own right.

The real compromose should be done in how the Public Option is defined. A "triggered option" as was discussed earlier in the debate might be a possibility.

Conrad is nakedly shilling for the insurance lobby.

Posted by: HuckFinn | August 16, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

georgejones wrote:
What a stinking disappointment Obama has turned out to be as president. A president should never attack our own citizens as bitter, religious, or stupid while fecklessly apologizing to every dictator in the world. And telling his staff to punch those who voice opposing opinions? And setting up a government web site where citizens are encouraged to denounce other citizens? What the heck is going on here? No president who was born here would ever act like this.
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It's always amusing to read half-truths and non-truths being bandied about as though they were the Gospel According to Glenn Beck.
Aren't you birthers tired of being exposed as the document-forging, fact-twisting, race-baiting demagogues that you are?

Posted by: lewfournier1 | August 16, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

A "health reform" plan which provides government muscle behind the insurance companies extortion rates is unacceptable. Might as well bring back the bushies, at least then you know you're getting bald face lie.

Posted by: pbassjbass | August 16, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the American public is stupid and corporate media and their right wing are virtually every trick in the book to create an image (like that of a teen who is coached to ask a question about the deficits at the town hall meeting) of groundswell of opposition.

Posted by: kevin1231 | August 16, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

If the total rewrite of a national healthcare program is necessary, then the president, the congressional members and all government employees should set the example for their countrymen and be the first ones placed into this healthcare program. This would alleviate most concerns of the ordinary citizens that it is a good system for everyone. This provision should be explicitly spelled out in the healthcare bill that is voted on and passed.

Posted by: rvallone24 | August 16, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

"Facing mounting opposition to the overhaul, administration officials left open the chance for a compromise with Republicans that would include health insurance cooperatives. Such a concession is likely to enrage his [President Obama's] liberal supporters..."

it would be more accurate to say FORMER supporters.

Posted by: dotellen | August 16, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Anyone here know who manufacturers pitchforks and torches? I want to buy their stock.

National Health Service. Single payer. Anything less is not acceptable. Veto it. Because a compromised "solution" will only further bloat the insurance lobby drug companies. Worse than doing nothing.

Posted by: pmaguire1 | August 16, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I find it sad that while pundits decry a National Healthcare system to be like 'Eugenics'--the current US Healthcare system in its current state holds the Eugenics movement's ideal---in that the poor receive little to no care (and thus die faster), that in-vitro fertizilation is available only to those who can afford it, and that the rich will live much longer at the expense of others.

I live in the UK where there is a National Healthcare service. I love that if I were ever to break my leg, need surgery, that I won't leave with a 5 or 6 figure bill.

Posted by: bagelfairy | August 16, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Public option=Fannie Mae for health and we know how that ended.

Posted by: dan1138 | August 16, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Democrats: We didn't put you in office to fold up like a cheap lawn chair....pass the public option or never get in office again!!! Show some intestinal fortitude for a change, if you do the circular firing squad again, I'm going to stop voting. You're useless.

Posted by: fluxgirl | August 16, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Interesting, I don't hear of any Congressman or woman saying they would give up their "public" option healthcare that they currently enjoy on the backs of taxpayers. A public option should be included in a healthcare bill. Is your health less important than your Senator or Congressman's? Those who are fighting against a public option are already enjoying that public option because they are in Congress. A public option must be on the table, otherwise, we will continue to have what we have now - an out of control, private, for-profit healthcare system that only works for the insurance companies. In case you forgot, Medicare, Medicaid and VA care are government run healthcare systems which are working VERY WELL.

Posted by: cricket35 | August 16, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I guess no public option means that the 50 plus million who have no insurance and the 14,000.00 who lose it everyday will just have to get out and vote the b@stards out in 2010. That will be about 60 million who will be voting out the GOP and the spineless Dems. It's not Obama who is not in line with the people, it's bought off Democrats that are and I know they will pay the price. Insurnace companies may finance them but they don't vote them in or out!

Posted by: sondysue819 | August 16, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

If there's ever a need for a public option, it's now. We shouldn't give it up.

What you haven't heard in this debate, unfortunately, are the voices of people like me who pay $1400/mo family rate on zero income except for unemployment compensation. I still pay a fortune in prescriptions and still have to spend full days battling doctor's offices and insurance companies because they wrongly billed me-- or restarted my deductible period before a year is up.

The current health insurance industry is absolute HIGHWAY ROBBERY and needs a gov't alternative NOW.

Funny, no one has a problem with the maintenance of F-16s or Unemployment or Social Security, and that's all gov't run. Why should anyone think that a health insurance option run by Washington would be such a huge disaster?

If you ask me, Congress should have more pride in themselves instead of conceding that something they produce won't work to the benefit of their constituents.

Especially since so many of us whose voices are quelled by illness haven't been heard.

Posted by: tpwpny | August 16, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

"Thus, Conrad said, proponents such as President Obama, who has voiced support for a public option to "keep the insurance companies honest," should temper their expectations."

This explains the problem very clearly. Insurance companies profits are more important than the health and well being of American citizens. If you don't get "your share" of insurance company profits you will forfeit your health. Of course you wouldn't get your share of profits either because that would mean cutting the greedy, grossly immoral bonuses giving to the highest level company executives!

REMEMBER THE NAY SAYERS! PUT THEM OUT OF OFFICE IN THE NEXT ELECTION!

Posted by: ChoKum | August 16, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I only hope that Senator Conrad remembers that Many of those who voted for President Obama did so because of his plans for health care reform. I hope that he and other Democrats aren't swayed by the very vocal group of people out to disrupt town hall meetings and prevent people from having an honest dialogue with their representative. I hope he knows that most of them did not vote for President Obama anyway. I hope he and other Democrats aren't swayed by those repeating rumors and making things up that they know are untrue. I hope he and other Democrats aren't swayed by those people who are calling our President a Nazi and calling the efforts to reform health care Nazi like. I hope he and other Democrats aren't swayed by the signs depicting our President as Hitler, showing Nazi symbols and suggesting harm to him and his family. In fact I wish the Senator and other Democrats come out in mass to condemn the things that are coming from the right and ignored or in some cases embraced by Senators and Representatives. I would also like for a Democrat to set the record straight on the right wing s attempts to once again vilify Nancy Pelosi. The right keep implying that Mrs. Pelosi was the one calling the protesters Nazi and un American when in fact she was commenting on their actions and the fact that the town hall protesters and Rush Limbaugh were the ones calling the President a Nazi. Rush Limbaugh has been doing this for at least the past two weeks and not one Republican Senator or Representative has called him on it. Now Limbaugh is trying to blame Nancy Pelosi for saying these things. I hope that Democrat Senators and Representatives wake up and do the right thing, do what people voted for.

Posted by: catmomtx | August 16, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Lew...


This is hardly the forum to "prove" much of anything. Please read some of the early Eugenic literature for reference. (Pre 1930's) Progressives (today's Liberal ancestors) were deeply involved in "eugenic" writings early in the 20th century. and promoting such policies. From Judges and Woodrow Wilson to W.E.B. Dubois' "talented 10th" "best of race". Or move into more contemporary times Nicholas Von Hoffman argued for free cheap abortion as a state policy of "self defense" from the poor/minority/criminal elements.

As Jonah Goldberg observes in his very excellent "Liberal Fascism" published last year --- "liberalism is joined at the hip with racial and sexual identity groups of one kind or another. And this premise extends to rewarding people by virtue of the race and gender and sexual status. The State should pick winners and losers on the basis of the accident of birth.

"Eugenics" policies are sprinkled throughout the Health care bill. From abortion to euthanasia. And the ineviteable rationing will also require categories for implementation. (That will be a blast to watch!) Do we give expensive new health care techniques to the unemployed/uneducated mom of 5? Or to the single white educated male working in the insurance industry! Poor guy...the Prez will turn off his oxygen!!

So, no time for a graduate level treatise Lew, but a start.

mew
pasadena, ca

Posted by: mewcomm | August 16, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

the best health care is available in this country NOW. obie hood and his merry gang will not be succesful in stealing from the responsible CITIZENS to give to the irresonsible and the UNDOCUMENTED. anyone of the hill gang that supports this will not be reelected,and will loose the best insurance plan in the world. not that these crooks need it

Posted by: pofinpa | August 16, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

All those who throw out the word socialism should go to a dictionary and look up the fascism.

Posted by: sondysue819 | August 16, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

If the public option does not pass it will be a huge betrayal by congress and the president. If we do not get a public option there is simply no point at all to any legislation. The insurance companies and the mega-medical/insurance complex would have won, will keep and exercise their malignant control over our lives and the American People will have lost.

So We the People, not the screaming fanatics, but the poor, working poor, the middle class, await to see if there will be betrayal or support for We the People. Are We the People worth as much as the banking industry? Do We the People get as much support as was given to the banking industry, the real estate industry, the car industry or are we the throw-aways?

And what of the fear of socialism? We have socialized the banking industry, etc., but we are afraid of socialism of the health system? My socialized medicine works very well indeed, I am on medicare and wouldn't trade it in for any private insurance. I don't want the private insurance industry making my life and death decisions, which they do now for anyone with private insurance or anyone denied coverage for any reason by the insurance industry and anyone who can't afford to pay and are thus sentenced to death by them. Sentencing people to debtor's prison by virtue of ruination of their credit, forcing people into bankruptcy for the sake of necessary medical procedures.

Has the health care/big pharma paid for enough of congress to suppress the passage of the public option? We will see... being a pessimistic optimist I am guardedly hopeful and disgusted by the lack of and/or waning support for the public option by congress.

Just a View from My Trailer Park.
Thank you.
MJ Richards

Posted by: mcjorich | August 16, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS IT!

More than two thirds of the American people want a single payer health care system. And if they cant have a single payer system 76% of all Americans want a strong government-run public option on day one (85% of democrats, 71% of independents, and 60% of republicans). Basically everyone.

AND NO INSURANCE MANDATES WITHOUT A STRONG GOVERNMENT-RUN PUBLIC OPTION ON DAY ONE! An insurance mandate without a strong government-run public option choice on day one, would be a DISASTER! And it would be worse than the GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT HEALTH INSURANCE HORROR! SHOW you have now. YOU MUST MAKE CERTAIN!! THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN AMERICA.

The healthcare reform bills released by the first two committees of the House Of Representatives are excellent bills as I understand them. They are bills with a strong, robust, government-run public option, and an intelligent, reasonable initial funding plan to cover almost all of the American people. They are carefully written, and thoughtfully constructed, informed, prudent and wise. These bills will save trillions of dollars, and millions of your lives. They are also now supported by the AMA.

These are the type of bills that all Americans can feel good about. And these are the type of bills that have the potential to dramatically improve the quality of healthcare for all Americans. Rich, middle class and poor a like. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, and all other party affiliations. These bills have the potential to dramatically improve the quality of life of every American.

The house healthcare bills released by the first two committees should be viewed as the minimum GOLD STANDARD by which all other proposed healthcare legislation should be judged. All supporters of true high quality healthcare reform should now place all your support behind these healthcare reform bills released by the first two committees of the United States House Of Representatives, as the minimum Gold standard for healthcare reform in America.

You should all now support the first two committees bills with all your might, and all of your unrelenting tenacity. These first two House committees healthcare bills are VERY, VERY GOOD! bills for all of the American people. Fight tooth, and nail for every bit of these bills if you have too. Be aggressive, creative, and relentless for these bills.

From this time forward, go BIGGER and DEEPER with the American people every day until passage of healthcare reform with a robust, government-run public option.

FIGHT!! like your life and the lives of your loved ones depends on it. BECAUSE IT DOES!

SPREAD THE WORD

Senator Bernie Sanders on healthcare (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSM8t_cLZgk&feature=player_embedded)

God Bless You

Jack Smith — Working Class

Posted by: JackSmith1 | August 16, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

So much depends on the rules established to govern a co-op and how they compare to the rules governing other members of the healthcare system. More at http://www.healthcaretownhall.com/?p=1288#more-1288

Posted by: JEngdahlJ | August 16, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Jack Smith --

Thankfully the "working class" will have little influence on this bill. Poorly educated workers have always had someone else do the thinking for them. From Marx & Engels to a long line of would be saviours. And that is as it should be.

mew
pasadena, ca

Posted by: mewcomm | August 16, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

That most certainly is not what current polls are saying.

Rasmussen
National Survey of 1,000 Likely Voters
Conducted August 7-8, 2009
1* Do you favor or oppose a single payer health care system where the federal government provides coverage for everyone?
32% Favor
57% Oppose
11% Not sure
2* Would a single payer healthcare system lead to higher healthcare costs, lower healthcare costs or would costs remain about the same?
45% Higher
24% Lower
19% About the same
12% Not sure
3* Would a single payer healthcare system lead to higher quality healthcare, lower quality healthcare or would the quality of healthcare remain about the same?
13% Higher
52% Lower
27% About the same
8% Not sure
NOTE: Margin of Sampling Error, +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence

Other polls show that the more people know about Obama's plan the less they like it. Perhaps people didn't fully understand just that single payer to Democrats mean the government taking over the health care industry by single payer. We do not want government run health care.

The foolishness the Democrat party is showing by treating this if you are against it you are Republican is short sighted. There are other options then being Republican or Democrat, and if you can't represent those without extreme views then they don't belong in the party. Obama presented himself as a centrist during the campaign, and he has succeed as fully blowing that cover.


>>>>>More than two thirds of the American people want a single payer health care system. And if they cant have a single payer system 76% of all Americans want a strong government-run public option on day one (85% of democrats, 71% of independents, and 60% of republicans). Basically everyone.

Posted by: win1 | August 16, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Conrad is clueless about what it takes to bring up a co-op..The ONLY time it works is for rural electric co...It takes thousand of people, thousands of hours, and years to create a co-op..

He took $2.3 million from Healthcare lobbyists the past 2 years...Small population state and mostly rural--he must go --they are forming a committee to remove him at the DNC...worthless!

Rasmussen is a waste of time!

Posted by: jetlone | August 16, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Conrad is clueless about what it takes to bring up a co-op..The ONLY time it works is for rural electric co...It takes thousand of people, thousands of hours, and years to create a co-op..

He took $2.3 million from Healthcare lobbyists the past 2 years...Small population state and mostly rural--he must go --they are forming a committee to remove him at the DNC...worthless!

Conrads toll free# 1.800.224.7776

Rasmussen is a waste of time!

Posted by: jetlone | August 16, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

So I did on Wikipedia and they provide resources for the statements, in spite of knowing the meanting anyhow.

"Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state"
Are you referring to the far left claims of the Republican party should just go away, they are finished, they are dead, they are outdated and all the similar statements they make?
"Fascist governments forbid and suppress criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement"
Both parties are guilty of forbidding and suppressing oppositon, it depends on which is in power.
"Fascism opposes class conflict, blames capitalist liberal democracies for its creation and communists for exploiting the concept."
Both parties hopefully oppose class conflict, does the Democrat party support it?

A liberal democracy is not referring to a left idealology, liberal democracy in fact supports more rights for the individual. A liberal democracy is the view of the Enlightenment. The liberal left however, controls and rules by groups, programs benefit those groups that are considered worse off, and harms those considered better off. Or maligns a group considered "wrong" and promotes a group considered "right". Not much individuality there, people being placed into groups by faulty statistics.

Perhaps you should go read the definition of socialist and facist yourself, along with the papers that founded our government, the federalist and early congressional documents.

Posted by: sondysue819
All those who throw out the word socialism should go to a dictionary and look up the fascism.

Posted by: win1 | August 16, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

We voted for change, and next time you will be the subject of that change Senator Conrad. Grow a pair Dems!

Posted by: clintt5 | August 16, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS IT!

More than two thirds of the American people want a single payer health care system. And if they cant have a single payer system 76% of all Americans want a strong government-run public option on day one (85% of democrats, 71% of independents, and 60% of republicans). Basically everyone.

AND NO INSURANCE MANDATES WITHOUT A STRONG GOVERNMENT-RUN PUBLIC OPTION ON DAY ONE! An insurance mandate without a strong government-run public option choice on day one, would be a DISASTER! And it would be worse than the GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT HEALTH INSURANCE HORROR! SHOW you have now. YOU MUST MAKE CERTAIN!! THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN AMERICA.

The healthcare reform bills released by the first two committees of the House Of Representatives are excellent bills as I understand them. They are bills with a strong, robust, government-run public option, and an intelligent, reasonable initial funding plan to cover almost all of the American people. They are carefully written, and thoughtfully constructed, informed, prudent and wise. These bills will save trillions of dollars, and millions of your lives. They are also now supported by the AMA.

These are the type of bills that all Americans can feel good about. And these are the type of bills that have the potential to dramatically improve the quality of healthcare for all Americans. Rich, middle class and poor a like. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, and all other party affiliations. These bills have the potential to dramatically improve the quality of life of every American.

The house healthcare bills released by the first two committees should be viewed as the minimum GOLD STANDARD by which all other proposed healthcare legislation should be judged. All supporters of true high quality healthcare reform should now place all your support behind these healthcare reform bills released by the first two committees of the United States House Of Representatives, as the minimum Gold standard for healthcare reform in America.

You should all now support the first two committees bills with all your might, and all of your unrelenting tenacity. These first two House committees healthcare bills are VERY, VERY GOOD! bills for all of the American people. Fight tooth, and nail for every bit of these bills if you have too. Be aggressive, creative, and relentless for these bills.

From this time forward, go BIGGER and DEEPER with the American people every day until passage of healthcare reform with a robust, government-run public option.

FIGHT!! like your life and the lives of your loved ones depends on it. BECAUSE IT DOES!

SPREAD THE WORD

Senator Bernie Sanders on healthcare (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSM8t_cLZgk&feature=player_embedded)

God Bless You

Jack Smith — Working Class

Posted by: JackSmith1 | August 16, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

If Congress can't seem to come up with a public option comparable to theirs then it is time they lose their coverage. How would they like it if we were protesting in the Capital??? I think it's time to take it to them.

Remove Insurance Employees, Conrad and Grassley and anyone else voting against public option.

Posted by: MaggiePi | August 17, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

At least we can manipulate the Senate towards a public option, if the administration can't quell the right leaning a**h**** at the town hall meetings.

From an interview on MSNBC with Howard Dean discussing the possible co-op plan vs. HR 3200's Public Option:

"[Howard] Dean told MSNBC's Joe Scarborough that the Senate's removal of the public option is a ploy to get the bill through the Senate and then have the public option reinserted at the reconciliation stage, where it would only require 50 votes, not a supermajority. Dean admitted that "the president knows very well that you aren't really going to have health care reform without a public option. But he also knows he has to get this out of the Senate." "

Posted by: brent6 | August 18, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have not now, nor have they ever had any intention of negotiating healthcare reform. That is not in their realm of interest. They're only interested in building up our defense systems, invading other countries and supporting the wealthy in their efforts to get wealthier. They are the party of 'me first' and 'no.' It is time for Democrats to do whatever it takes to take care of our domestic problems and let Republicans watch.

Posted by: MaggiePi | August 18, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: jhenry1908 | August 19, 2009 2:50 AM | Report abuse

WILL OUR WEALTHY ELITE AMERICANS ABATE THEIR CONTINUED DIRECT ASSAULT AGAINST OUR POORER AMERICANS ???


THERE ARE NOT MANY MORE DISTRACTIONS LEFT WHICH ARE AVAILABLE FOR OUR WEALTHY ELITE AMERICANS TO HIDE BEHIND IN MAKING SURE THAT FUTURE PROPER AND JUST CARE OF ALL OUR AMERICANS (IN A HUMANE AND JUST FASHION) CONCERNING THIS BLATANT NATIONWIDE LACK OF PROPER LEGAL REPRESENTATION AND HEALTH ~ CARE.

AMERICAN IVORY TOWER U.S.CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS OF THE FREE WORLD HAVE PASSED FEDERAL LEGISLATION IN WASHINGTON DC TO SPEND 50 BILLION AMERICAN TAX $$$ ON THE INTERNATIONAL FIGHT AGAINST AIDS OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS WHILE THEIR OWN AMERICAN CITIZENS ARE BEING TOLD BY THIS SAME U.S.CONGRESS THAT NATIONAL HEALTH CARE AND PROPER LEGAL REPRESENTATION FOR MIDDLE CLASS AND WORKING POOR CITIZENS IS UNAFFORDABLE.

*** WEALTHY ELITE AMERICANS (WHO ARE ONLY 1% OF OUR USA POPULATION) SADLY ALSO CONTROL HOW OUR U.S.CONGRESS SPENDS THEIR BUDGET TRILLION$ AND HAVE OBVIOUSLY FOUND MORE WORTHY INTERNATIONAL CITIZENS THEN OUR OWN DESPERATE AND NEEDY POOR TO ASSIST !!!
~Poorer Americans Nationwide only get 400 million $$$ per year for legal representation allocated them by CONGRESS~

Middle Class and Working Poor Americans are unable to afford proper legal representation in their Civil, Criminal and Family Courts of law all across America causing tremendous hardships nationwide,but these great minds and callous hearts in our American Congress have found others Worldwide more needy then their own citizens who are being falsely incarcerated,wrongfuly executed,losing their homes or apartments,losing child custody or visitation with their children etc…

Not being afforded proper legal representation by our U.S. Congress has created a total breakdown of the American judicial system for our poorer Americans because the our U.S. Courts punish all of us little people if we are not assisted with proprer legal counsel.it is a known fact that our average Middle Class and Working Poor Americans without proper legal representation in all of our American Courts of law lose their legal cases to the better financed who are able to afford lawyers.

Lawyers For Poor Americans is now actively in the hunt for International Countries and Leaders Worldwide to help raise 5 Billion Dollar$ for our slighted poorer Americans who have had their own American Congress turn their backs on their desperate needs in not affording them proper legal representation.

This is the first of many www International pleas by Lawyers For Poor Americans for other leaders and countries to help raise the needed monie$ to correct these blatant injustices that have been inflicted on poorer Americans for the last few decades.


lawyersforpooreramericans@yahoo.com
(424-247-2013)


Posted by: DOUGLASFIELD2 | August 19, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

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