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Frank Blasts Nazi Comparisons From LaRouche Backers

Updated 12:15 p.m. 8/20/09
By Garance Franke-Ruta and Sarah Lovenheim
Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) was greeted with shouts and boos at a town hall meeting on health care at a senior center in Dartmouth, Mass., Tuesday night, an event that was targeted by supporters of perennial independent political candidate Lyndon LaRouche. But the combative House Financial Services Committee chairman met fire with fire.

"On what planet do you spend most of your time?" Frank retorted when Rachel Brown of the LaRouche Youth Movement compared President Obama's push for health-care reform to the policies of Nazi Germany while holding up a pamphlet depicting the president with a Hitler mustache, a LaRouche anti-Obama health reform campaign image.

"This policy is actually already on its way out. It already has been defeated by LaRouche. My question to you is, why do you continue to support a Nazi policy?" Brown had asked.

"You stand there with a picture of the president defaced to look like Hitler and compare the effort to increase health care to the Nazis," Frank, who is Jewish, blasted back.

"Trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table," he continued. "... I have no interest in doing it."

Video of Frank's remarks quickly went viral online and was shown repeatedly on cable television.

Protesters had greeted attendees of the meeting, organized by the Democratic Town Committee of Dartmouth, by distributing pamphlets criticizing Frank's push for reform and Obama's plan. Images of Obama as Hitler were visible on several of the pamphlets seen in videos of the event. Some protesters held posters that read, "It's the economy stupid, stop the spending," the Associated Press reported.

Ray Medeiros, chairman of the Dartmouth Democratic Party, said the pamphlets came from LaRouche supporters, and that the woman who ticked off Frank was one of about 20 who came to the meeting. Brock Cordiero, the regional chair of the Massachusetts GOP, said Brown was passing out pamphlets from a table with a LaRouche PAC banner on it before the town hall meeting and that he and Medeiros spent a fair bit of time during the meeting trying to contain the disruptions the LaRouche supporters were causing. "They were there to cause problems," he said.

Cordiero, concerned attendees might mistake LaRouche supporters for Republicans, said he went out of his way at the meeting to repudiate the Hitler-Obama imagery in remarks to Frank. "I saw media reports there was Republican booing and jeering," said Cordiero Thursday. "That's not the case."

To those who interrupted Frank's remarks during the event, the congressman from Massachusetts jabbed, "Disruption never helps your cause. ... It just looks like you're afraid to have rational discussion."

Medeiros said that he had encouraged protesters, mostly young people, to leave but that they wouldn't budge. "This is a Democratic Town Committee meeting. We called the meeting to order!" he said he eventually yelled after one refused to clear floor space.

LaRouche PAC has been waging an intensifying campaign against the Obama and congressional health reform proposals since the president's nationally televised news conference of July 22, when he called for an "an independent group of doctors and medical experts who are empowered to eliminate waste and inefficiency in Medicare." The group has interpreted that statement as ordering euthanasia.

"LaRouche PAC members are giving leadership to these town hall meetings all around the country so we are being at any one that we possibly can," LaRouche PAC spokeswoman Nancy Spannaus told The Post of the group's presence in Massachusetts.

"Our Obama mustache poster....It symbolizes the fact that the president is attempting to implement a Hitler health care policy," she said. "At any town hall, you'll know LaRouche people are there if you just look for the mustache."

If you know of other town hall meetings happening nationwide, e-mail us at politicscalendar@wpost.com.

By Garance Franke-Ruta and Sarah Lovenheim  |  August 19, 2009; 8:21 AM ET
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I wish more politicians had the stones to stand up to these knuckle draggers at these town hall meetings and call out their irrational, incoherent blathering. People like that woman contribute nothing to either side of the health care/health insurance reform debate by using that kind of baseless invective. Go Congressman Frank!

Posted by: surly4130 | August 19, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

CNN did not just report on this, as quoted here, but ran a large portion of it live, which I watched.

It was a great example of a good leader handling a situation well and responding effectively both to questions and to attempted shoutdowns, calling him a liar, and other deliberately disruptive tactics. My favorite part was when he said why can't we have a rational discussion, and people shouted "we're angry!" and he said, what makes you think rationality and anger are opposites?

Another good part was when he asked the louder part of the crowd to name one tax the Obama administration has raised, since there aren't any. After a lot of confused mumbling and shouting, they came up with a state tax in Massachusetts. He told them he had assumed they knew the difference between the federal government and the state government of Massachusetts, but in case they didn't, those are actually two different things.

I also liked the fact that a number of those present were applauding the Congressman as he stood up for himself and the actual purpose of the town hall. That should have been reported here. But I think he would have done just as well on his own because he is comfortable in his own skin, knows the facts cold, and stands up for himself.

He also doesn't worry too much about winning over people who aren't really there to be persuaded or engage in discussion. As long as he listened, replied to what they said, and repeatedly called out disruptive behavior for what it was (which he did clearly and calmly), he did what he needed to do. I think he could have kept going all night.

Freshman Congressmen who may be facing their own town hall worries should get the entire session and watch it. Kudos to Congressman Frank.

Posted by: fairfaxvoter | August 19, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Good for Rep. Frank. This woman is a POS. Referring to Nazis when talking to a gay Jew is the height of insensitivity.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | August 19, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

There are times when Rep. Frank overreacts to opposing views. But this young woman got exactly what she deserved - scorn and derision. There are legitimate concerns about the health care plan that can be asked respectfully. But bringing up the Nazi specter and comparing our president to Hitler shows ignorance and should be treated with total disrespect. Perhaps listeners of FOX News and right wing talk radio can be deprogrammed so they're capable of coming up with an original thought and not just spew out what they've been told to say. Good for you, Rep. Frank. Too bad other representatives don't have your courage and forthrightness.

Posted by: MNUSA | August 19, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

It is impossible to have a rational conversation with someone who is lying. Barney Frank is either stupid or lying (maybe both) when he makes a statement like "Congress would not tug on the pockets of average taxpayers."
The town hall meetings were called by the democrats because they thought the stupid public would swallow their platitudes of class warfare and sticking it to the rich while guaranteeing health coverage for everyone without a need for increased taxes. The public has fortunately seen through the bravo-sierra and realize if the government gets involved it will be super expensive and inefficient.
The town hall participants have had enough of the democratic spend us into the dark ages because they realize congress and the Obama administration are teenagers with a credit card and we are the ones that will pay the bill.

Posted by: SSTK34 | August 19, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Frank, you are a gentleman and a scholar. It's about time a member of Congress weilded a pair and pushed back.

I can't stand, and I do not think the majority of Americans will be able to stand, this parade of idiocy much longer.

These people do not represent America and I'm sick of their ill informed hot air being treated as if it were pure gold.

Posted by: mrncheryl | August 19, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Way to go Barney! These nuts can yell, but when confronted we find out they don't even know the difference between federal and state tax ... let alone what health reform is all about.

Posted by: FellowTraveler | August 19, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Barney has more of my admiration than before. I knew he was one of the most cerebral Representatives but now I know he is also one of the most honest and up front Representatives. These wishy washy go with the flow people are disgusting.

None of these neanderthal (with apologies to all true cave men/women) types disrupting what could be productive dialouge will vote for the Representative/Senator anyway.

Posted by: sauerkraut | August 19, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

You go congressman!!!

Posted by: DROSE1 | August 19, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

What a nasty, abrasive, obnoxious jerk Barney Frank is. The people of Massachusetts never cease to amaze me.

Posted by: waterfrontproperty | August 19, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Barney Frank is a bigger liar than Pelosi. You forget we got the mortgage crisis compliments of Barney and Chris. I find it ironic that when the liberal left showed up with portraits of Bush with a Hitler disguise everyone thought it was quite clever. Guess only the looney liberal left has the copyright on that.

Posted by: sandynh | August 19, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

@sandynh--

And just when did this happen? I read as much anti-Bush crap as I could when he was in office, and I don't remember this ever happening?

Posted by: joeboe1 | August 19, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

“When pygmies cast such long shadows, it must be very late in the day.”

Gian-Carlo Rota

Posted by: lasker1895 | August 19, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Barney Franks is an elitist that only cares about himself and the money he can squeeze out of the system. Mass. is broke. Their health care system, a few months ago praised by Obama, broke. There are massive amounts of losses of government union benefits coming due that are going to hit the taxpayers. Soon all that will be left in Mass. will be people sitting around waiting for their next government handout.

Hopefully in 2010 there will be enough people with common sense to vote this tird out of office along with the other Spendocrats Pelosi, Dodds, Reid et al.

Posted by: Bubbette1 | August 19, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

How I love the incredible richness of the irony that surrounds Barney Frank.

Frank's trademark as a Representative is shouting down at speakers with whom he does not agree. He receives a small taste of his own bad behaviour and he gets angry?

Watch this hypocrite on C-SPAN. You will be amazed at the degree of his boorish bullying.

Posted by: Tupac_Goldstein | August 19, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

But bringing up the Nazi specter and comparing our president to Hitler shows ignorance and should be treated with total disrespect.
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But it's okay when progressives did the same to Bush (marking up his face with a Hitleresque moustache) or when some of our so-called "leaders call opponents brownshirts?

That's okay, then, right? Right?

Posted by: NoneoftheAbove08 | August 19, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I guess you forgot to mention the Frank supporter who got up and testified that, as a physician, health care reform was very important. Someone checks, and another Obama delegate caught lying about being a doctor. Barney Frank also called his constituents "a piece of furniture". Every time there is tape of Barney Frank talking to people this way, Democrats lose 10 Blue Dog seats. They don't have control of congress without the Blue Dogs. By next month, Barney Frank's condescending dismissal of US citizens will help him win reelection, and help republicans take control of the House of representatives and pick up 6 senate seats in 2010.

Thank you Barney Frank. Keep talking. Cumudgeony old white liberals from the northeast are kryptonite to voters in the rest of the country.

Posted by: Cornell1984 | August 19, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

YOU GO BARNEY! It was like ssslap and ssslap! That's what those Political Terrorists deserve. I hope this trend picks up and Republicans are put in their place for beins so anti-American!

Posted by: angelou | August 19, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I think the republicans paid Barney Frank to be such an idiot. The right doesn't have to spend a penny, just send youtube of Barney Frank's hissy fit to every email. Maybe we can borrow David Axelrod's spam file.

Barney Frank mouth--the gift that keeps on giving to the republicans.

Posted by: Cornell1984 | August 19, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

YOU GO BARNEY! It was like ssslap and ssslap! That's what those Political Terrorists deserve. I hope this trend picks up and Republicans are put in their place for beins so anti-American!!

Posted by: angelou | August 19, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Send Barney Frank cross country to do Town Hall meetings on health care reform !!!

Posted by: rblrdr | August 19, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

WOOHOOO!
GO BARNEY!
You the MAN!

Posted by: hayden1 | August 19, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Eat it GOP losers!

Posted by: hayden1 | August 19, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

To all you sore loser, die-hard righties (I am talking to you, waterfrontproperty, sandynh, Bubbette1, Tupac_Goldstein, NoneoftheAbove08, Cornell1984): Is it safe to assume that you are true commenters to this post or are you perhaps lobbyists?

Rational discussion is a must in any democracy but loud-mouthed lying has no place in such an important debate.

I, for one, did not see the congressman get angry. Perhaps another version of the video shows a different angle?

Nor did I see depictions of W as tasteless abd baselss as the depictions of President Obama have been. You will please remeber that it was the policy of W to hold these types of meetings by invitation only and that something as harmless as t-shirts with a red line painted through the letter W was enough to have people ejected from the hall.

Kudos, righties, you have suceeded in changin the subject. A page directly from the Rove playbook. Kudos.

Posted by: notsofarleft | August 19, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I believe Barney-the-banker made that statement after his little boy Greg was screaming for a woman to "GET OUT". That's the way the liberal wants it...only the sheep that agree with everything. Stop the debate! Sit down and shut up! How dare you question me, I'm the one who ran the Fannie into the ground. So don't question me on money matters.

Posted by: arby1 | August 19, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

SSTK34 wrote:
"The town hall participants have had enough of the democratic spend us into the dark ages "

Because on *your* planet, it's the Democrats who have run up the vast deficits of the last 9 years.

Posted by: ssully | August 19, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

The Barn man says "why are you shouting"? As he has the PA cranked up. Barney, Barney he's our man, he screwed up the real estate market like no-one can! How about some more subprime loans you idiot!

Posted by: arby1 | August 19, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Barney can't face the fireworks. Too many dems have yes'd him to death and real people can't make him get over himself. Don't worry so much Barney you'll be out in the real world soon.

Posted by: MOMLEE | August 19, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I love you, you love me, lets watch Barney scream at me! What a jerk. You can tell he hates women.

Posted by: arby1 | August 19, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

It was good to see Frank put these insurance industry hacks in their place. Yet it's a sad day when so many Americans blindly put the interests of the corporation, whose duty is to shareholders rather than consumers, above that of the citizen. Prime example of the dumbing down of America.

Posted by: wmorgan3 | August 19, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I have zero sympathy for Barney Frank.. he won't stand up and admit to his part of the banking crisis.. he has no credibility.

Posted by: newbeeboy | August 19, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

THANK YOU BARNEY FRANK !!!
It is time that some one has the huevos to call it as it is. This idiot of a woman seems to come out with a playbook and script tactic. I’ll bet anything that the scumbag of the Bush cartel, Karl Rove, wrote that playbook. The tactic shows his style that took the GOP to be a bunch of losers that in eight years have almost brought the country to its knees. We now have a real President who is trying to fix what he inherited. Health care in the US of A is rated as 37th in the world on a cost benefit ratio. In other words, there are 3rd world nations doing better. But, we have (plated) people out in the crowd who think its ok. Incidentally, the CEO of one of the biggest American health insurance companies makes 140 MILLION dollars a year. Who gave up coverage so that he "earned" that?
Like him or hate him, Barney is helping us all. Way to go.

Posted by: sd-mouth | August 19, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Good job, Barney.

As for those whining and moaning about Rep. Frank here, so far all I've read are personal attacks with no substance.

But then, that's all you people have ever been good for.

Posted by: scorbett1976@hotmail.com | August 19, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I realize there's little to be gained by addressing the "Obama is a Nazi" crazies.
But for anyone who is uncertain and open to facts, the German health care program was instituted by the very conservative aristocrat Otto Bismarck long before anyone had heard of Hitler and the Nazis.

Posted by: twm1 | August 19, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

FIGHT BACK - GROW A PAIR DEMS.

Those idiots come to these Clown hall meetings more to be seen than heard, and think creating chaos makes them great Americans.
The most violent opposition isn't directed at his ideas about health care reform. It is directed at him. It is about him. They couldn't make enough of a majority to beat the Harvard-educated black guy out of the White House, so they will beat him on an issue where they see him as being most vulnerable.
Don't ever ask Barney Frank a question if you don't want to know exactly how he feels about something. Frank is asked by a woman waving an Obama as Hitler picture at a town hall meeting why he is supporting his "Nazi policy" on health care. Frank didn't mince any words in responding.
Frank: When you ask me that question I'm going to revert to my ethnic heritage and answer your question with a question. On what planet do you spend most of your time?
You want me to answer the question? Yes. As you stand there with a picture of the President defaced to look like Hitler and compare the effort to increase health care to the Nazis, my answer to you is as I said before, it is a tribute to the First Amendment that this kind of vile, contemptible nonsense is so freely propagated. Ma'am, trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table. I have no interest in doing it.
This ding bat look the fool she is. Chances are she will not have her 15 minutes of fame and a free dinner and appearance on FOX news like the others. It’s about time the Democrats take of the gloves and seriously fight back. Obama, needs to get mad and realize the Republicans are not going come on board not matter what he does. So screw them.

Posted by: sherardg | August 19, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

The conservative naysayers in this blog are desperately grasping at anything they can to keep believing they are civil.

Their lies and slanderous natures are blatantly obvious and the whole country can see it.

Interesting that these "conservatives" (they aren't even true conservatives) would stoop to spreading lies, yelling like 2 year olds and bringing guns to intimidate people at town halls in order to deny people health care.

And the claim liberalism is a social disease. Some of these people should be incarcerated.

Posted by: tazmodious | August 19, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Good for Frank.

It needed to be done and it needs to be done until the facts and potentials can be considered calmly and with what will happen if nothing is done.

As a senior citizen who is a Republican, we are about good governance. It comes into play because big business let the nation down. Public Option is a very good thing. Why not if it's a choice?

The problem was not caused by Obama. He's set a goal. The issue can be fixed by Congress, if they stop trying to divide and conquer.

The only thing that will stop democrasy is to prevent good discussion and Congress to work because of a bias.


Posted by: Tavon4 | August 19, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

The constitution doesn't mention fire districts, but all property owners are required to pay a tax for the benefit of a fire fighting service, which benefits all property owners. I see no reason health care can't be treated the same way, if we so choose. When a decent person sees a sudden emergency that they are situated to assist in, whether it be a home on fire in a house with elders and children, or a person suddenly stricken by an accident or heart attack, he does what he can to help. Why then, should we not assist ourselves and each other in this way? When it comes to the 'property' of the human body, we are all property owners. Does not our shared interest in being given health care when needed, combined with the moral imperative to assist in an emergency, create a moral imperative to provide universal health care? The citizens of all other economically developed democracies have concluded that it does, and almost all of them have concluded that the government which serves and taxes all citizens is the best agency for providing this service.

Posted by: steelsil2 | August 19, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

The constitution doesn't mention fire districts, but all property owners are required to pay a tax for the benefit of a fire fighting service, which benefits all property owners. I see no reason health care can't be treated the same way, if we so choose. When a decent person sees a sudden emergency that they are situated to assist in, whether it be a home on fire in a house with elders and children, or a person suddenly stricken by an accident or heart attack, he does what he can to help. Why then, should we not assist ourselves and each other in this way? When it comes to the 'property' of the human body, we are all property owners. Does not our shared interest in being given health care when needed, combined with the moral imperative to assist in an emergency, create a moral imperative to provide universal health care? The citizens of all other economically developed democracies have concluded that it does, and almost all of them have concluded that the government which serves and taxes all citizens is the best agency for providing this service.

Posted by: steelsil2 | August 19, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse


I agree, steelsit2

It is little difference in taxes for fire or taxes for good healtcare, especially if any increas in taxes is substantially less than what premium will be if not checked.

US is listed 37th in healthcare. IF the other nations ahead of us can be used as a guide, they can also show us where the USA can improve upon their mistakes. (A smart person learns from their mistakes; a wise person learns from the mistakes of others). But, where they have it right, we need to learn from it.

I do see the crisis that would be caused just to change it over, but it pales in comparison to leaving it as it is.

In fact, having the public option as a choice, along with Insurance carriers, makes it as a potential win-win.

It can still be tweaked along the way.

Posted by: Tavon4 | August 19, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Can you even believe that Barney Frank is elected to any office. His anger is overwhelming and he shows his true colors. Why the good people of Massachusetts would elect this man to high office is beyond me. Just on his dealings with Freddie and Fannie he should have been booted out of office. I hope the people of Mass watch his town hall meeting (his berating of the Citizens of his State) and kick him out. We need a house cleaning in the House.

Posted by: Mindboggle | August 19, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Well done. I can't understand why so many politicians have let themselves be bullied by poorly informed wackos at these town hall meetings, although I suppose Barney Frank did have the crowd on his side.

Dissenting opinions are fine, but the level of poorly informed paranoia is staggering. As someone who works in education, I feel like everyone should have a mandatory two-hour reading session before anyone allows them to speak at a town hall meeting about health care. As many of my teachers would have said, "you're wasting my time and yours."

Posted by: Chrunk | August 19, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

It was exciting and gratifying to hear Rep. Frank call an imbecile an imbecile. More elected Democrats should have the courage to step up to the plate the way that he did.

Bravo!!

Posted by: ProudLiberal3 | August 19, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ARE SHOUTING FROM THEIR ROOFTOPS AND IN THE STREETS "WE LOVE BARNIE FRANK" HE IS CLEAR DIRECT SIMPLE - EVEN IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH HIM - HE REPRESENTS WHAT LITTLE IS GOOD ABOUT CONGRESS - HE'S INTELLIGENT, WITTY AND ABOVE ALL - BRUTALLY HONEST - I'VE HEARD HIM ENOUGH NOW TO KNOW - HE IS THE MAN!!!!!

Posted by: coralights | August 19, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

TO ALL : the real culprits in all of this is the media - FOX first & foremost - is a right wing propaganda machine - I am making on concerted effort not to tune into any FOX broadcast and to remeber who their advertisers are -

The media in general massages & cherry picks the news to drive up viewership rather than report what is extremely important to society - our system is flawed to begin with - yet it is among the best on the planet - which frankly isn't saying a whole lot when you've got millions of people dieing from hunger, war, disease and neglect.

It's time all americans bond together and put a stop to this nonsense - we've found our true leader in President Obama and I intend to give him what he needs to get the job done in 2010 !!!!!!

Posted by: coralights | August 19, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Only Republicans are afraid to call the lunatics like this what they clearly are: "lunatics". Because those people are the majority of their voters.

Thank God for Barney Frank's refreshing honesty. Democrats prefer sane voters.

Posted by: wilder5121 | August 19, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Massachusetts, do your country a favor and vote out this joke of Congress.

Posted by: CayC | August 19, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Other than putting down the Right wing loon, Frank really did not say anything of import. Besides amplify his own rant to drown out questions and push the administrations agenda, what did you get, bad governance.

"You get what you deserve"

Posted by: pipian | August 19, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't really like Frank, but I have to admit, he did stick it to that tea-bagging birther. I was listening to a local radio program re this event, and many callers made the point that he should have simply explained why this was not a Nazi program-yeah, right. Case in point is the birther movement-you could staple O's birth certificate, (along with newspaper birth announcements) to these people's foreheads, and their views would simply never change.
It's called willful ignorance.

Posted by: whereareweandwhatarewedoinginthishandbasket | August 19, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Government is OF BY and FOR the lobbyists, rich & lawyers - rather than the people.

I love the USPS, without medicare where would our senior citizens be? without social security where would the majority of retired americans be?

When our government works for the people - there is non better! President Obama is our only hope. He is a VERY special person.

Posted by: coralights | August 19, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Second amendment rights - our national ego looks at the constitution and brags at how it has withstood the test of time - sweeping slavery and womens rights under the rug.

Now we have people walking around at public gatherings displaying loaded firearms. Enough is enough! It's time to make some adjustments to the second amendment - we're not using muskets any more!!!!!

Posted by: coralights | August 19, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness Barney Frank stood up to these people. Shouting vile comments about Nazis simply shows them for what they are--ignorant. If they have legitimate issues concerning the health care proposal, then ask a question in a respectful manner. Shouting just shows you are there to be disruptive, not productive. You are wasting your right to free speech when you have nothing substantive to say. Any comparison to anything this country does to what happened in Nazi Germany is just a sad commentary on how low some people have sunk.

Posted by: 78vette | August 19, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

To all you Libs - LOOK AT THE ARTICLE!!! The person adressing Frank was a LaRouche supporter!!! WHO RAN FOR THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION SEVERAL TIMES!!! He's a far left Democrat - more a Marxist. DEFINITELY NOT A CONSERVATIVE. READ the article before you blame this on conservatives!!! What am I saying...you don't even want to read the bill to get facts, let alone read a short article...

Posted by: hilmerdm | August 19, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Barney Frank was right.

Obama isn't a nazi. The correct comparison is with Mussolini, not Hitler. Hitler was a racist, Mussolini believed race was irrelevant as long as everyone acted the same and followed the same leader into an ever more enormous socialist future.

With state ownership of 2/3 of American car companies, a lot of banks, and an attempt to take over health care, Obama is SOME sort of socialist. The proper question is which kind, not whether he is one.

It is truly unfortunate that so many people go to government schools and get their brains so messed up they can't even think straight about what words mean - fascism, socialism, national socialism and communism (which is international socialism) are not just pejoratives, they are legitimate words describing means of political organization. It is important to be able to identify which one our leaders are adhering to since there is a lot of bagage that necessarily comes along with the system they want to impose.

No sane person would want the baggage that comes along with fascism, communism, etc. which is why there is so much inflammatory rhetoric from the left - they want to keep the debate emotional so the rest of the country doesn't realize there is substance to it.

Posted by: andycutler | August 19, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I for one don't blame conservatives or liberals - I blame it on our constitutions unwritten amendment - the freedom to be stupid.

Something we all take full advantage of - :-)

Posted by: coralights | August 19, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Is Sarah Palin Lyndon LaRouche's daughter?

Posted by: drlatham22 | August 19, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Independent candidate? LaRouche has ran as a DEMOCRAT for president six or seven times. He's a hardcore leftist.

Posted by: chicoandtheman2001 | August 19, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

The hard core right likes to convince themselves and others that everyone else is on the extreme left - most people are right where they should be - thoroughly disgusted with extremists - the democratic party is representatives of centrist, liberal and conservative ideologies - which hard core right wing republicans would have voters believe is a weakness rather than an example of true democracy. There are no pink dogs in the republican party - just a bunch of "deep" red dogs that have a nasty bite and are dangerous in packs. There are a lot of pink dogs out there - and they all support President Obama as will the blue dogs.

Posted by: coralights | August 19, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

I don't know who LaRouche is - I suppose that either makes me ignorant or him irrelevant.

Posted by: coralights | August 19, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

The really sad part about all of this is the attention being paid to these idiots, these morans disrupting meetings with shouting and shoving.

Its amazing that such obvious loonies are given any TV time at all. It only serves to encourage them.

That the things these idiots say are then given support by republican senators and congressmen is unforgivable. You'd think that a party that had dragged the nation through the dirt for the past 8 years might feel some need to help repair some of the damage. Not these guys.

We have to stop pretending that its a matter of fairness to air all sides in an argument. It's a matter of fairness to air all rational sides of a discussion. There is absolutely NO need to give equal time to a bunch of loudmouthed, ignorant kooks.

Posted by: fredfawcett | August 19, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Barnie, is Barnie, another examaple of an liberal with out a lick of morals or common sense. He and kennedy in the same state and you wonder why the racist professor can run rampant, while they try to stuff this health care bill down americans throats, when it has yet to work anywhere in the world. yea those that got will tell you, its better than nothing.. but not what we want

Posted by: zapperz | August 19, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Barny must have gotten hold of a rotten wiener before he went to that meeting, what a nasty disposition he has and is a good reason why gay's should not be allowed to marry or raise another human.. they cant even live a normal life

Posted by: zapperz | August 19, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Nothing gets a moron more irate than being called a moron.

Posted by: steveboyington | August 19, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

so far i have not met anyone that can support obama, when they actually have the facts.. but when the left own the press, those that love him, will believe anything to prove themself right, regardless of the truth or facts. Fact is, he has shown weakness to the enemy, lack of leadership to the county and lack of a core to hold to a position in the face of a 5 MPH gust in his face from any detractor or critic..he has the back bone of jelly fish that just happens to get an A in reading teleprompters..tood bad he never really held a job, then you could see what he had accomplished besides bankrupting the country for the people that dont have any vested interest in the country cause most of his supporters never paid more the $400 in taxes in their life.. anyone that thinks obama is the chosen one, would follow bart simpson if they thought they could get a rebate check..poor sick lil dumb americans they are

Posted by: zapperz | August 19, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

There is no arguing with irrationality. Frank said exactly what is true. He would have had as much chance of a rational discussion with a dining room table as with that woman.

There are reasonable people with various shades of opinion on health care reform. Those people should be allowed to speak and ask questions. Frank is right. We should NOT cede the field to those who carry signs saying Obama is a Nazi and especially to those who carry guns to public rallies. This GOP-inspired nasty has gone too far.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | August 19, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

THE NAZIS HAD NATIONALIZED HEALTH CARE

http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/national-health-care-medicine-in-germany-1918-1945/

Frank shows a arrogant and frightening disregard for his duty as a REPRESENTATIVE of the people.

It has been proposed that Hitler used mass hypnotism to sway the masses not with logic but with raw emotion. See:

http://www.pennypresslv.com/Obama%27s_Use_of_Hidden_Hypnosis_techniques_in_His_Speeches.pdf

Frank responds to criticism with anger and emotional histrionics and absolutely ZERO facts to support his position. Had Frank responded eloquently it would have painted him in a better light. But instead he sounded like the whiny clown.

People wake up. You have been hypnotized. Remember that masses of the most advanced society in the world, Germany, stood in large chanting and utterly spellbound by their charismatic leader. Sound familiar? WAKE UP NOW!!! Wake up before such comparisons become a reality. The only thing protecting us, the right to be heard and represented, has been crushed under Barney's ass-clown boot heel.

Dare you to research Hitler's ethnic background.

Posted by: cadgbd | August 19, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Democrats attacking voters for expressing free speech. Free speech is something he suppose to be protecting as a congressmen.

Amazing. This guy belongs in a Zoo, not in DC.

Register all you can, find a poll, and VOTE.

Democrat meltdown in 2010...

I think both parties are failures, but we need a republican house speaker to put this guy in a cage and throw away the key.

Posted by: billisnice | August 19, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

All of us who hate what the GOP and extreme right wing is doing should be grateful to Barney Frank for doing what every sane person should do...call these people by what they are--crazy nuts. Democrats have always been wimps. Well, at least there is one person who is not.

Posted by: kevin1231 | August 19, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

kudos to barney frank!

Posted by: Waffle1 | August 19, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

The democrats are NAZI's.

The NAZI party attacked anyone who disagreed with them. Does this sound familiar?

Posted by: billisnice | August 19, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

People, again - READ THE ARTICLE - this person was NOT from the GOP - she was a far-LEFT LaRoche supporter. All of you who immediately jump on the GOP for doing this are just as loony as she is, and ignoring the facts, as usual.

Posted by: hilmerdm | August 19, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Obama must have a democrat class on harassing voters. Like rev wright his preacher. The KKK of America.

American are upset with this bill and have a right to protest granted in the constitution.

Posted by: billisnice | August 19, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

I would have told Barney 'Perez' Franks that I'm from a Planet that when a man bends over its only to tie his shoes...too bad you missed that ship Barney.

Posted by: JWx2 | August 19, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

2010 will be an interesting time for the Spendocrats. Let the furniture vote and see how many are still in office. A 45 swing in the House is not beyond reason.

To notsofarleft, do you have a point or is it the medication?

Posted by: Bubbette1 | August 19, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, disruption never helped anyone's cause, like a little thing called the American Revolution. Heil Obama!

Posted by: hailtopher | August 19, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but isn't LaRouche kind of a Nazi himself, to begin with, at least like keeps the SS uniform in the closet and only wears it with the curtains closed(and the 6-inch heels)?

I mean, the article said LaRouche was a Marxist, but I can't figure out if they mean Karl, or Harpo...

I can't agree with LaRouche, I don't think Levi Strauss had an evil bone in his body...just made pants, and stuff.

I voted for Obama, I think we've got one of the sharpest people we could possibly have gotten out of the '08 lineup, if LaRouche really thinks he has Presidential-grade 'game', then why's he chewing on Obama's pants leg instead of cobbling together his own campaign? Because he doesn't, isn't, can't, won't, ain't happenin'.

I think it's sour grapes, personally. Barack won by a LANDSLIDE. WOOOOOOSH! All gone! When was the last time LaRouche ever won a landslide? When he bought that hillside property and then it rained? C'mon.

What's LaRouche's plan on healthcare? Best proposal? Anything? Bueller? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Posted by: walkerbert | August 19, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

People such as this lady are computers, who are programed, not capable of thinking for them selfs. Such a pity as there are many of her type.

Posted by: dv1236 | August 19, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

I see some of the right wing morons have emerged from the closet they all share. You ever wonder why some men are so afraid of gays? Watch out you don't shoot yourselves like plaxico - just relax and count the hairs on your chest to reassure yourself.

Posted by: coralights | August 19, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Good ol Barney is very bright and quick, no contest ... and has absolutely no class - proven by his "habit" of using his god given talents to reduce his detractors to pieces of furniture.

Since when has insulting people/constituents been a sign of greatness - except possibly to liberal democrats? It is amazing to me that he has been re-elected so often.

Posted by: sally62 | August 19, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Most to all new age occult channelers and their channeling spirits exalt Obama. German Nazism was an occult movement; most historians agree (unless they are in the occult themselves). One woman who channels several spirits, some that praise Obama, also channels a spirit named Kuthumi. Kuthumi or Koot-Hoomi was the same spirit that Madame Blavatsky channeled in the 1800s. Many new age channelers today channel Kuthumi. Blavatsky was responsible for starting theosophy and making the swastika the occult symbol of nazi Germany as well as other occult influences, most notably the concept of the Aryan race which was NOT originally focused on caucasion blue-eyed s. According to many theosophists, an extension of the 3rd reich is to commense in the USA. The Bible makes it clear that channeling (spiritism) is very dangerous since the spirits, if not faked, are evil spirits (read Deut 18). Hence, their support for Obama, as well as his socialism policies, suggests something terrible about Obama and socialism.

Posted by: techsavvy777 | August 19, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm a conservative and I completely agree with Christopher Hitchens when he referred to LaRouchies as "Fascists and Crackpots"

Posted by: thecomedian | August 19, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Let's see - Rep. Frank has no class for calling out a person representing our President as Hitler. "It is amazing to me" how hypocritical the right extremists are - it's a real shame Barnie has a knack for exposing dumb people for what they are -
and btw you lost the election.

Posted by: coralights | August 19, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

The real worry in all this is not the eagerness of Obama, Pelosi and Frank to vilify others, but the blindness of the ordinary liberal folk who want to block free speech. They do not seem to appreciate the vast numbers of sincere opponents who get even more angered when the small minded Obamaite calls names like a fifth grader. Oppose the Obama restructuring of our country and his destruction of our economic future and you are simply a fool. Who are you people that think you know what is best for all? What fascist thinking grows from liberal inflexability.

Posted by: cdldoc | August 19, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey! Let's create a hybrid! and call him "ROACH LIMBERGER"
a poor and therefore out of place right winger living in someones foreclosed house with only a gun to keep warm & bugs for food.

Posted by: coralights | August 19, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't Christopher Hitchens the guy with the hunchback and wild bulbous eyes in 'Young Frankenstein'?

Posted by: coralights | August 19, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

This is such a great country that even ignorant and uneducated people get to talk...however, just because they have the right to speak doesn't mean they have something that needs to be heard or listened to. Indeed, when their speech is racist or anti-semitic, they do NOT have the right to spew hate speech. In the face of such insulting rhetoric, I think Congressman Frank exhibited great restraint in his response.

To all of you who for one reason or another feel compelled to engage in this kind of "crazy talk" please...resist...sit down, read a book, go back and get your GED. Stop being pawns for the right-wing wackos. Just because you align yourself with them doesn't mean you are one of them. You are being used.

Posted by: JazzyGrandma | August 19, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

The real Hitler "health" policy called for killing people who were a drain on public resources. That would include the elderly unable to feed or clothe themselves, bathe, or otherwise handle the tasks of daily living, the developmentally disabled, and the mentally ill. Also included were homosexuals and Jews. A little common sense being injected into health-care decision making is a long, long distance away from deliberately killing people. But the distinction is lost on people who are easily mislead and ready to fight on short notice for a cause they don't understand is about maintaining, or even increasing, health insurance company profits.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | August 19, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

I love it. Barney you are fabulous. I hope this airs over and over and over because it exposes these sick losers for what they truly are: complete and total idiots who have no idea what they are talking about. Crackpots and nutjobs completely brainwashed by their rightwing masters.

Posted by: 1180 | August 19, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Zapperz,
Consider that you've met me. I support our President (Obama) and I'm rational enough to see the holes (craters) in your argument, which is too emotional and lacking in actual facts to be taken seriously. If you intended to insult, you've failed.

Posted by: smartgirl312 | August 19, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

just trade Ladell Betts already.

Posted by: MonkMossMann | August 19, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

The mind is a dangerous thing in the hands of a human. We imagine that we know what we are thinking about. We're destroying nature which in effect is equivalent to committing suicide in slow motion. We talk but say nothing - we think but know nothing. Each day we learn what we don't know. Other non-human life on earth who live within the rules and boundaries of nature are instinctively much more intelligent. While all humans are thoughtless and clueless. How else can you rationalize what the world is that mankind has created? How utterly irrelevant it is to be a liberal or conservative when a hundred thousand children die each day and we enumerate the species that become extinct and brag about creating life in a test tube. If we are not gods then surely we are devils.

Posted by: coralights | August 19, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Barney Frank BWAAHahahahaha what a flaming idiot he is. Screwed up the housing market, cried about how much the bailout was (even if it was to bail him out) and now he wants to meddle with health care. What a fat slob of a train wreck he is.

Posted by: forgetit2 | August 19, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama - puppet on strings held by Pelosi, sorry but he is just a token. Wish it was not true but he really has no power. Pelosi and Reid have him right where they want him. Out of the way and flying around the world reading tele-prompter speeches written by Pelosi aids.

Posted by: forgetit2 | August 19, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Crazy lady in the way too who was braless: I know you aren't the religious right. You have no gun, so you arent the anarchist element of the right.

So who the hell are you and how much did you get paid????? Are they hiring? In these hrd economic times, I could see myself getting all fussy about nazis. I could do this. Tell you boss to hire me.

Otherwise, I'm attending the K street protest in September--I wont be as cute as you, but I'm sure I will get on tv.

Posted by: tmcproductions2004 | August 19, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

SSTK34 says "The town hall participants have had enough of the democratic spend us into the dark ages because they realize congress and the Obama administration are teenagers with a credit card and we are the ones that will pay the bill."

I am not a fan of the bailouts, to be sure. But honestly, were you asleep the last 8 years? Unfunded mandates. Two wars run on "emergency funding". Two wars fought with mercenaries earning four times the salary of the armed forces with no checks and balances whatsoever. Hundreds of millions in cash in suitcases brought to Iraq to bribe tribal leaders. Mercenaries working for the company formerly chaired by the VP that sat in the throne dangling the puppet for 8 years.

You are woefully lacking in facts and intelligence.

Posted by: ibwilliamsi | August 19, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

I think that young woman was a plant. Who'd really have the gall to carry that sort of poster and then stand silently while Fudd sputters his diatribe?

Posted by: dacyzyn | August 19, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Come on....It's Lyndon LaRoache supporters. According to wikipedia, he was a former American Idol judge who fell on hard times. Bitter and confused, he attacked both George Bush and Al Gore at the same time. When that didn't work, he sent all his aunts and uncles, except for Plaxico Burress who was sent on an alternate mission, to take over the U.S. Postal Service (lol....Like anyone would want to take over the postal service), to spread hateful fascist ideals to everyone trying to by stamps.

Posted by: steven09 | August 19, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

These ranters will tell one lie, then when they get shot down they just tell another.

Case in point: They said physicist Stephen Hawkins would be dead now if he were on Britain's NHS. Dr. Hawkins, a British citizen, responded that the NHS is what has kept him alive (Lou Gehrig's disease).

So they told another lie--they accused him of lying because the NHS was not in existence when he was born in 1942.

Duh! He wasn't BORN sick! the NHS was instituted in 1948--
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Health_Service ).

He started developing amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (Lou Gehrig's disease) in 1963-1964. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Hawking .

By the time he needed it, the NHS was there for him.

Any apologies for the misinformation? NO! On to the next lie.

Posted by: dotellen | August 19, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

A Black man who earned the Presidency of the United States with a Hitler mustache and references to Nazism?

Only in America, in Germany, Hitler would have shot the woman!

Posted by: AverageJane | August 19, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Nicely done Mr. Frank. This is not about the legitimate healthcare debate or your position in it. This is about whether or not there is a legitimate debate to be had about whether or not the President is comparable to Nazis. There isn't, he isn't, and the Congressman handled it perfectly.

You only resort to this Nazi stuff when you've got nothing else. Maybe no facts to support your argument, or maybe just nothing between your ears.

PS: Do these people not see the horrible irony in suggesting that the horrors of Nazism were similar to people trying to make sure sick people can go to doctors, and making that suggestion to a 70 year old Jew at that?

Posted by: polycalsq | August 19, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

"THE NAZIS HAD NATIONALIZED HEALTH CARE"

Yeah and Hitler was a vegetarian- maybe we should round on anyone who doesn't eat meat. Every industrialized nation in the world except the US has nationalized health care. This has nothing to do with Nazis. Less hysteria please.

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Posted by: AristotleTheHun | August 19, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

thank-you rep.frank. a country with 47 million uninsured americans is a total disgrace, when this program gets passed we will all be thankfull for your help!

Posted by: willemkraal | August 19, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, Rep. Frank. It's about time someone in Congress stood up to these nutters.

Posted by: pdxer | August 20, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

It's great to see that the vast majority of people are relieved and grateful that Rep. Frank has spoken for them - has said what the majority of americans have been wanting to say to the shouters on FOX - SHUT UP! PUT AWAY YOUR KEYBOARD! GET LOST!

Posted by: coralights | August 20, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

To be gay is one thing to be a gay pimp that uses his position in government to carry out this disgusting activity is beyond belief. What is wrong with the people of Massachussetts, and Nancy Pelosi that tolerate the most abnoxious member of Congress and to top it made him chairman of the banking committee. This man should have been in jail not presiding over Town Hall meetings And Congress has an Ethic's Committee? B.S>

Posted by: maitami | August 20, 2009 12:51 AM | Report abuse

I feel that asking questions like "why do you continue to support a Nazi policy?" and putting Hitler mustaches on pictures of any American president is in itself Un-American and is a threat to Democracy. By this I mean instead of hearing answers to legitimate questions like: How do we pay for this? What will be covered? What won't be covered? Why should my tax money pay for someone's triple bypass heart surgery that spent a lifetime smoking, drinking, getting fat and won't follow basic lifestyle changes after the operation? Instead dialogue on the complex question of what kind of health care do we want for America is ended. The media picks up the "Nazi" story and Barney Franks response and that is all we get. A Jerry Springer Show democracy. Sure it sells the news. It's easily digestible emotional information designed for an emotional response. But lets get back to the issue. What I would really like to see is a written "Cliff Notes" official version released by government. Something like a comprehensive website that isn't dumbed down to the ninth grade level but still understandable. At least this way we would know what is being looked at and vigorously debated rather then being told by others what is in this health care bill.

Posted by: mrstevester | August 20, 2009 1:50 AM | Report abuse

Some people live today in such a highly suggestive, hypnotic state you can tell them anything and they'll believe it. Obama's not a citizen, Obama's a Muslim, Obama's a socialist, a Marxist, an elitist, a racist, The Joker...the list goes on ad nauseum. I guess Bush was called a Nazi, but mostly he was just called a moron or an idiot or just plain dumb, because he projected that almost every time he spoke. Obama is just trying to do something for the common man and the underprivileged and why do the republicans hate that so much?

Posted by: blarsen1 | August 20, 2009 2:00 AM | Report abuse

Contrary to assertions in some of these comments, LaRouche bears about as much resemblance to the democratic left as the Inquisition did to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Anyone who wants to see how loony and incoherent this movement is should really check out their website.

Posted by: twm1 | August 20, 2009 2:34 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: bruiserND | August 20, 2009 3:43 AM | Report abuse

It's amusing that the members of the Grand Obstructionist Party were incensed that Obama didn't wear a flag pin on his jacket lapel. But think you are just being a good American by portraying Obama as Hitler.

C'mon you guys. America First. Remeber?

To the leaders of the GOP: Either lead, follow, or just stay out of the way.

Posted by: patrick10 | August 20, 2009 3:54 AM | Report abuse

barney, who ran a postitution ring out of his d.c. apartment, should realize that the women was a dem and come the 2010 election, hopefully be replaced...
no matter what the women said...
he should have answered the question...
dems are too arrogant and they will pay for it...

Posted by: DwightCollins | August 20, 2009 7:28 AM | Report abuse

i am not a follower i am capable of reading, researching and drawing my own conclusions. I unlike aparently most younger americans and so called liberals, I will never follow on blind faith and comatose belief that kind of thinking can get you in big trouble!
i have researched the obama thing and keeping race and comatose intelligence out of it I see no proof whatsoever that Obama is qualified, all i ask is show the documents ALL OF THEM! birth, school, finances, political records, etc. and if they are not phony then i will believe. it is my right as part of WE THE PEOPLE a US citizen and exercising my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS (REMEMBER THAT DOCUMENT, OUR COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON IT) in case you forgot or went comatose all these politicians are less than honorable and it is time we cleaned house and took back our country, vote out the bad apples!

Posted by: tpm44 | August 20, 2009 7:35 AM | Report abuse

I wonder whether Barney Frank and the folks supporting him here stood up and scolded those that called Bush a Nazi?

Yeah...that's what I thought.

Posted by: websterr1 | August 20, 2009 7:41 AM | Report abuse

I wish commenters would read and understand the entire story before commenting. The woman who compared Obama to a Nazi is a follower of Lyndon Larouche, the perennial presidential candidate and convicted felon (for mail fraud) who, among other insane contentions, has claimed that the Queen of England is behind the international trade in heroin. That these people have been able to come out of their tinfoil lined moonbat caves and have any voice in this issue proves how idiotic the American public is--and even more idiotic our media are for paying the slightest bit of attention to them without detailing the totality of their crazy beliefs.

Posted by: jhpurdy | August 20, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

For those of you keep asking why is it okay for the left to compare Bush with Hilter for the Iraq War, but when fringe right compare Obama's Health Care to the Nazi and Hilter is not okay? Well here are the reasons:

1. Obama's Health care is trying to save lifes of the American people with the health care program. Bush's Iraq War is and has already killed many lifes of the Americans.

2. Obama's Health care will ultimately save American money by reducing their money they had to spend on the uncontrollable escalating increase of health care insurance money. Bush's Iraq War is pure spending of the American tax dollar with no beneficial payback to the American whatsoever.

3. Obama is trying to be up front with the health care policies by bringing all the issues and discuss them with the American people. Bush lied about the Iraq situation and the non-existent weapons of mass destruction to the American people.

And to those who keep saying that we did not start the Iraq War and that we had to fight the terrorists, let me make it clear; Iraq War IS NOT the same as Afghan War. There are no evidences or links between 9/11 and Iraq. If anything, Al Qaeda terrorists and Saddam actually dislike and cannot tolerate each other. The war in Iraq caused thousands of American lifes and even more innocent Iraqi civilian lifes on top of the billions of wasted American tax dollars.

So, do you still feel these comparison is unfair?

Posted by: makelvin | August 20, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

I forgot to mention in my earlier post about Bush's policy to wire-tap the American people's phone conversation without their consent or knowledge. Bush had even hid the wire-tapping policy from the Congress. Does this reminds anyone of the Nazi party's practice.

So the comparison of Bush's administration with the Nazi was not unjust whereas comparing Obama's health care policy to the Nazi is like comparing mother Teresa to Adolf Hilter; it makes no sense.

Posted by: makelvin | August 20, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Rep. Frank was correct. Discussions must have at least two parties willing to hear each other. The "questions" by the attendee were loaded - not questions aimed at furthering the discussion. "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" questions should be treated with contempt. Way to go Barn!

Posted by: lswonder | August 20, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I am a Republican and do not often agree with liberal Democrats on many things. However, I hate the crazy fanatics who have been disrupting town hall meeting during the last month and think that Rep. Frank was absolutely correct in how he handled this situation. I only wish that more Representatives, Senators and even the President would be as honest and direct in their replies.

Posted by: biermajw | August 20, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I've never been a big fan of Rep Frank; however, I am soooooo thankful that a Dem finally had the backbone to confront these hate-mongering/Repug-incited nut cases. None of them have had an original thought since they were born. If it weren't for the Glenn Beck's and Dick Armey's, they wouldn't have anything to say. SO, THANK YOU REP FRANK!!!!!

Posted by: jamstolba | August 20, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

"Our Obama mustache poster....It symbolizes the fact that the president is attempting to implement a Hitler health care policy," she said. "At any town hall, you'll know LaRouche people are there if you just look for the mustache."

Or you can just follow your nose to teh Craaazy. Good on Barney for putting one rightard looney in her place.

Posted by: irae | August 20, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

"i am not a follower i am capable of reading, researching and drawing my own conclusions. I unlike aparently most younger americans and so called liberals, I will never follow on blind faith and comatose belief that kind of thinking can get you in big trouble!
i have researched the obama thing and keeping race and comatose intelligence out of it I see no proof whatsoever that Obama is qualified, all i ask is show the documents ALL OF THEM! birth, school, finances, political records, etc. and if they are not phony then i will believe. it is my right as part of WE THE PEOPLE a US citizen and exercising my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS (REMEMBER THAT DOCUMENT, OUR COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON IT) in case you forgot or went comatose all these politicians are less than honorable and it is time we cleaned house and took back our country, vote out the bad apples!"

(circling temple with index finger): 'What a yutz. Where's my net?

Posted by: irae | August 20, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

"i am not a follower i am capable of reading, researching and drawing my own conclusions. I unlike aparently most younger americans and so called liberals, I will never follow on blind faith and comatose belief that kind of thinking can get you in big trouble!
i have researched the obama thing and keeping race and comatose intelligence out of it I see no proof whatsoever that Obama is qualified, all i ask is show the documents ALL OF THEM! birth, school, finances, political records, etc. and if they are not phony then i will believe. it is my right as part of WE THE PEOPLE a US citizen and exercising my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS (REMEMBER THAT DOCUMENT, OUR COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON IT) in case you forgot or went comatose all these politicians are less than honorable and it is time we cleaned house and took back our country, vote out the bad apples!"

(circling temple with index finger): 'What a yutz. Where's my net?'

Posted by: irae | August 20, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

When former President G.W. Bush was in office, I personally attended (or tried to attend) two of his appearances in Tennessee. My fellow citizens and I were herded behind a row of bushes at some distance from the venue, and kept there by police officers whose salaries we were paying. A friend of mine was arrested merely for trying to cross the street to approach more closely.

Because I was offended by the very presence of Bush in the Oval Office, I tried to keep well informed about his appearances everywhere during his tenure. To my knowledge, there were never any instances of Bush being compared to Hitler. I'd like to see some examples of such behavior from those who claim it happened.

Posted by: djccq | August 20, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

The young woman with the silly Hitler comment should have taken a shower and cleaned up a little before appearing on television. Barney Frank is more macho than the rest of Democrats, including, Obama. Go Barney!

Posted by: truth1 | August 20, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

A new violet america - Our President is not black - he is violet - that's what you get when you mix red white and blue -

In 2010 our Nation will give President Obama the mandate he needs to get the job done.

As for socialism - it's much more humane than capitalism - 100% of those who oppose socialism don't know what it means.

World society is controlled by the capitalistic philosophy which in turns depends on unbridled consumption which in turn is destroying life on our planet.

Mankinds ego won't allow for the fact that humans are inferior to all other forms of life on earth. WE think - therefore we imagine - and what we imagine is that we know what we are thinking.

Posted by: coralights | August 20, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I cannot believe anything Barney Frank says after watching him on you-tube being one of the primary causes of the Fannie Mae destruction.

Posted by: sportsfan2 | August 20, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

The real POS is bandover Barney who, with his ACORN buddies and other democrat crooks, blackmailed lenders into making loans to people who didn't have a prayer of repaying them.
Then they covered for the democrat slugs who stole from and bankrupted Fannie and Freddie.
The woman is correct.
The Obama cabal is well on the road to mimicking the Nazis.
They just haven't started the exterminations yet.
That comes with their health care blivet.

Posted by: LarryG62 | August 20, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Amazing how supposedly "patriotic" conseratives can't accept that the American democratic process resulted in Obama being elected our President. They are patriotic when they like our leader, but not if they don't. This is patriotism? Remember the conservative rallying cry, "love it or leave it", which I quess doesn't apply when they don't like the President.

Posted by: 9genpk | August 20, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

there is only 1 rational republican in this whole comment.
and those gay bashing idiots above, the whole is changing. some day it will be like segregation, gay bashing would not be allowed. gay would be allow to be married. hateful people like you would be a thing of the past. wake up!

like the woman worse than a dining table. you guys are worse.

glad to see lots of good people commenting. maybe we should have a rally too. just to show them these nut cases are just minorities!

barnie frank is great. republicans senators are so hungry for power. they have "united" to try to vote out a very distinguished latino lady as a suprime court judge. yet back in bush day bush had a liar like ganzalus. decency and itegrity should be the main focus. there are great republicans in the past like lincoln but where are they now. you have sanford, palin-who-we-should-not-waste-our-breath-with, mccain (even he is a truth twister now), cheney, bush etc... long list.
people are bashing pelosi, but compare to palin, not only she is educated and she makes sense. i see she is bashed just because she is the speaker of the House. no wonder ever clearly mentioned what she has done so wrong.

all the barnie haters above, you are like the dining table not worth talking to.

Posted by: mujkocka1 | August 20, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

To people who use words like "elitist" please understand that the educated people you debate with know that you receive your information from television or some form of conservative media. You and the other people who use this word, do not know what it means.

Think for yourself. That is the problem with all these LaRouche PAC people is that they have opted not to think for themselves. And the irony in this group making comparisons to Hitler - is that these followers are very much like the Hitler youth. Buying into hysteria, choosing not to think critically for themselves, marching per orders with symbology of the group, and preaching exactly what they are told.

These kinds of things are always ironic. Aren't they?

Posted by: shegrins | August 20, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Hip hip hooray Barney!!!

Posted by: sondysue819 | August 20, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

These right-wing idiots need to receive a dose of their own medicine. Go get 'em, Rep. Frank!!

Posted by: mariachiray | August 20, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Roach Limberger & Sara Failin's followers have been smacked down & don't like what it feels like.

FOX continues to try to give air time & credibility to the lies of birthers, tea baggers, racists & neo-nazis. More people should just change the channel to CNN or turn them & their advertisers off altogether.
FOX will tell the truth when it hits their pocket book to lie.


The majority of people are just watching & listening & saying nothing. That does not mean they will do nothing.

The average person knows what the difference is between right & wrong. Between the truth & lies.

Eventually people will come to realize that:

Nature is much more important than mankind.

Socialism is much better than capitalism.

President Obama is the best President we've ever had.

The constitution was written in part by racists, bigots, despots & white supremacists - ancestors of Sara Failin' & Roach Limberger .

For a long time afterwords blacks were not equal to whites and women were not equal to men.

and that's that - it is what it is

Posted by: coralights | August 20, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

The real POS is bandover Barney who, with his ACORN buddies and other democrat crooks, blackmailed lenders into making loans to people who didn't have a prayer of repaying them.
Then they covered for the democrat slugs who stole from and bankrupted Fannie and Freddie.
The woman is correct.
The Obama cabal is well on the road to mimicking the Nazis.
They just haven't started the exterminations yet.
That comes with their health care blivet.

Posted by: LarryG62 | August 20, 2009 10:50 AM
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If anyone actually thinks this way, I think the human race is WAY more stupid then I had ever imagined.

You are a Nazi, LarryG62, you are.

What political party has the most KKK members, a group of people who still hold Nazi beliefs till this day? Republicans.

What political party refuses to listen to logic and reason during debates? Republicans.

Who is carrying around the Nazi symbol in protest these days? Republicans.

Who thinks that insurance companies should keep the power to determine if you live or die? Republicans.

Which political party is compromised of mostly Caucasian people? Republicans.

Shame on you for being such a hypocrite.

Posted by: Independent4tw | August 20, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

"i am not a follower i am capable of reading, researching and drawing my own conclusions. I unlike aparently most younger americans and so called liberals, I will never follow on blind faith and comatose belief that kind of thinking can get you in big trouble!
i have researched the obama thing and keeping race and comatose intelligence out of it I see no proof whatsoever that Obama is qualified, all i ask is show the documents ALL OF THEM! birth, school, finances, political records, etc. and if they are not phony then i will believe. it is my right as part of WE THE PEOPLE a US citizen and exercising my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS (REMEMBER THAT DOCUMENT, OUR COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON IT) in case you forgot or went comatose all these politicians are less than honorable and it is time we cleaned house and took back our country, vote out the bad apples!"

Hey, tpm44. Where did you do your research? Fox News? You would be better off getting your information from the National Enquirer; they seem much more credible than any from Fox News.

Posted by: makelvin | August 20, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

These bozo's would be less than honest if they claim they were offended by Barney. They weren't there to discuss anything, just to lodge a protest. And they were given their opportunity.

And I think Barney's response was probably at a level they might find easier to understand and thus should be more appreciative of his methods in reaching out to him.

Let's see, we have namby pamby, panty waste, Oren Hatch on one hand who is a total GOP party apologist on one side. And Barney Frank, always astute, always proactive and defends liberal causes and won't back down.

Hmmm......which one do I have more respect for?

Posted by: patrick10 | August 20, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

It is a real shame that today's Republican party has turned into a fringe lunatic hate group with people like Hannity, O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck. If Lincoln only knew what the Republican party has turned into, he would roll over on his grave in despair.

I hate to see the country having only a single major party since I do believe in a healthy debate on issues; but today's Republican party is definitely turning into a joke.

Posted by: makelvin | August 20, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

For those people who keep repeating Sarah Palin's comment about "Death Panel" in Obama's health care reform bill which refers to the voluntary end of life consultation, that was actually introduced by a Republican Senator during Obama's bipartisan attempt for creating the reform bill.

What irony to have a Republican introduce something into the bill to have another Republican twist it, convoluted it, criticize it and blame the whole thing to the Democrats.

Posted by: makelvin | August 20, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Barney Frank is my "main man" he tells it like it is!!!

Posted by: Bajiquan | August 20, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey, check it out - Democrats Ram Improved Health Care Down Nation’s Throat (Like Nazis) - http://sandboxreport.com/?p=259

Posted by: SandboxReport | August 20, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Lots of furniture on the right side of these comments. There is no point in responding to them, as they are inanimate objects, without the power of reason.

Posted by: nita3 | August 20, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Last night's Daily Show covers this incident. I put a link for those of you who continue to claim that no one ever compared Bush to nazis(see the 0:30 second mark in the video). Also because Stewart rightly praises Frank's response.
Making the nazi comparison, no matter who is making it, unless one is actually discussing genocide, is completely uncalled for. To be so ignorant as to communicate that comparison to a Jew proves nothing but that your parents did an extremely poor job in raising you.
One more thing, really addressed to everyone. If the people you disagree with, regardless of the subject, engage in an activity that is tasteless, ignorant, or beyond common norms, that is one more reason to be glad you are not one of them. It is not an invitation for you and your peers to act in the same ways with the added cover of pointing to others having done it first. It is also not an indication that everyone who disagrees with you acts with the same disregard for mature dialogue.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-august-19-2009/barney-frank-s-town-hall-snaps

Posted by: lostinthemiddle | August 20, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Our President is trying to bring health care to millions of children and he gets shouted at from the right wing for being a Nazi. Our former President lied to lead us to war, spied on US citizens, ignored established law with "signing statements", put protestors in a pen, tortured some innocent people and the right wing considered him a good "Christian".

Posted by: mdenny1 | August 20, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Way to go, Barney!

Posted by: LawyerTom1 | August 20, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Ben Franklin wrote:

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Why does the left so readily give up their liberty? Having daddy government take care of everything is the ultimate giving up of liberties.

Posted by: cmhbph1 | August 20, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Ben Franklin wrote:

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Why does the left so readily give up their liberty? Having daddy government take care of everything is the ultimate giving up of liberties.

Posted by: cmhbph1 | August 20, 2009 2:26 PM
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Wow... cmhbph1. Which planet are you from? Having a public OPTION for health care is not the same as government take over or giving up liberty of any kind. It is having a baseline for other private companies to measure up to.

Having a permanent health care solution is NOT "temporary safety". Your analogy using Ben Franklin's quote is one of the worst I have heard and makes absolutely no sense at all.

On the other hand, when you would give up the right to privacy by allowing the government to wiretap and listen in on your conservation whenever they feel like it. Or that you allow the government to detain and/or torture anyone whom they deem to be a terrorist without any proofs of any kind for an indefinite period of time just so that you can feel safe from outside attack would be much more appropriate analogy to Ben Franklin's quote that you had provided.

Posted by: makelvin | August 20, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Capitalism is undemocratic. You are as free as the size of the balance in your bank account.

Socialism is democratic - it is based on the principals that all humans are created equal - that there should be justice freedom and equality for ALL.

What we need is democratic socialism - where society works as a whole for the benefit of the whole.

Nature must be preserved, conserved, restored, replenished and embellished.

The destruction of nature is what leads to rationing - and even when there is enough food produced by nature to feed the planet - it is hoarded by the rich to maintain power over the general populace.

To survive mankind must subordinate to nature and evolve new economic & social systems that are centric to nature. Then truly mankind can be proud & pure, free, happy and healthy. Clean air, water - plants & animals - peace and quiet. No endangered species list - you don't need a phd to grow plants and raise animals. Who said that an agricultural society was inferior to what we have today? The industrial capitalists who to this very day have amassed the natural wealth of a once healthy planet - unfairly distributing the fruits of ordinary laborers - without fair payback -

Do we need to do any more than sustain, replenish & harvest the fruits of nature to be happy & healthy?

Politics should not exist.

Posted by: coralights | August 20, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

This is republican politics at the height of hypocrisy: Right wing nutjobs compare Obama to Hitler and equate reform with "death panels." Then, Barney calls them crazy to their face. So republicans retort that dems "out of touch with constituents."

Republicans mouth the words, "We want reform," but say NO to every proposal that comes along. One of my closest friends is a conservative, but she refuses to call herself "republican." She says the crazies are taking over her party and she's done.

It's been exactly a year since my prediction: republicans are going to be out of power for at least a generation. In those 365 days, republicans have done NOTHING to court the independents and conservative democrats they need to win elections. In fact, the party has been doing everything in its power to cater to no one but the crazies on the extreme right. Ever thus?

DAStubbs,
Minneapolis

Posted by: dastubbs | August 20, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

coralights, I think you are right. Kings, dictators and warlords are the political and social equivalent of the Capitalism. After all, why shouldn't someone with more power be able to dictate and control someone that has less power? Just let the one with more power to "naturally" rise to the top.

Clearly, I believe that neither extreme Capitalism nor extreme Socialism should be the approach to all things in all situation which seems to be what the current political environment is doing right now. That fact is the solution to most real life problems are somewhere in between. Whenever the government lacks sufficient regulation, there seems to be a lot of greed and corruption; whereas, whenever a process is too slow and cumbersome to get done, it has too much regulation.

The health insurance companies makes billions each year as pure profits. Each dollar they made is equivalent to a dollar of government wasted inefficiency. So with the amount of money these companies are raking in each year, the government has to be really inefficiency just to match that.

On top of that, when the government program is running inefficiently, the people can also vote to have the system change or improve. But when a company is running inefficiently and denying your coverage, who do you complain to get improvement and change?

Remember, a company's primary objective is to make money; not your health. For them to maximize their profits is to deny you as much health care as possible.

Posted by: makelvin | August 20, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

" This is republican politics at the height of hypocrisy: Right wing nutjobs compare Obama to Hitler and equate reform with "death panels." Then, Barney calls them crazy to their face. So republicans retort that dems "out of touch with constituents."..."

You know what dastubbs, they crazy lunatic lady in the video is named Rachel Brown and she is actually NOT in Barney Frank's district. So she is NOT one of his constituents. :)

Posted by: makelvin | August 20, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

GO BARNEY GO !!!

LAROUCHE IS NOT A RADICAL ON THE LEFT OR THE RIGHT....HE IS SLIPPERY EEL WHO IS WHATEVER POSITION GIVES HIM MORE POWER....
HE'S NUTS AND SO ARE HIS "THEY DRANK THE KOOL-AID ...ALMOST SAID "KOOK-AID" :) FOLLOWERS OF MINDLESS SHEEP.

Posted by: pwpw63 | August 20, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the health care insurance companies are not even the real boogeyman here even though they seem to be taking most of the heat. I believe the real boogeyman behind the ridiculous escalation of health care cost is the pharmaceutical companies. Companies such as Pfizer, Merck and the likes. They charge ridiculously high prices for the drugs and file patents on top of existing patents to continue extending their protection period to prevent others for making a cheaper alternative of the drugs that they have.

Just look at their revenues they made and the gross margin and operating margin they have, it is ridiculously high. For Pfizer, they have over $46B in revenue with over 86% gross margin and close to 37% operating margin. I am trying to single out Pfizer because most of these pharmaceutical companies all have really, really high profit margins.

Besides health care insurance, we really need to control the drug cost as well which to me seem to be a much bigger problem.

Posted by: makelvin | August 20, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

In my earlier post, I meant to say that I am NOT trying to single out Pfizer.

Posted by: makelvin | August 20, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Finally. It's about time that someone set the record straight with these individuals. Nazi'z and socialism and carrying guns around school yards and public places where innocent people are as an intimidation tactic demonstrate that what is left of the Republic party are the paranoid and those suffering from severe mental health issues. Beck and Rush and Boehner and Grassly, et al, seem to feeding off these individuals who tragically are not well. There is something really wrong with that and it's about time that someone spoke up. I feel bad that it was necessary to call this woman out in public, but she needs phsychological help and the Republican Party needs to stop feeding the fears of these paranoids. It went on for 8 years. Enough is enough.

Posted by: boobooaec | August 20, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

It is interesting to observe the zombie hypnotized spill repeat their programming. It is useless to note that the woman was representing a far-left larouche, the zombies continue to drone, drone their programming, talking, talking, their minds completely brainwashed.

It is as useless as trying to stop the ocean waves from pounding, pounding, pounding the beach. All you can do is watch with amusement.

On this thread we've seen how socialists are backing this obama health care agenda.

We've seen the constant misapprehension that the lady represents the right wing.

Just like Night of the Living Dead, the zombies just keep coming.

Now there is nothing wrong with these people, they are just regular people, under the influence of powerful mind control. It is not only Obama using hypnosis. The interested reader can view a free documentary, "Century of the Self" delviing into this fascinating post Freudian topic. A link to the 4 part series is here:
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=2095

It blows the mind, that with today with the miracle of the internet, of instant information, when people can easily read about the horrific failures of socialism, communism, fascism, etc, yet they continue on like blind zombie-bots oblivious to the information staring them in the face!

It's true there is a sucker born every minute. Young minds are still easy prey for socialism the wonders of the internet notwithstanding.

There is a valid point that obama is taking steps similar to fascism including government control of industries.

What these innocent idealistic minds do not understand is that the government will not take care of them. That is what the Bill of Rights is about.

The zombies keep coming, coming, coming. This human nature, innocent idealistic, programmed by television and the media.

You can't blame them, they are just human, too bad they cannot learn from the history lessons of the past, especially when it is within such easy reach.

Yes, a sucker is born every minute, and the sooner that the older ones (who have gotten wise) receive end of life counseling, the better.

Posted by: cadgbd | August 20, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

The letters against the stimulus bill were running 250-300 AGAINST it. Does anyone really believe that the Democrats aren't going to be able to ram this through no matter what anyone wants? They have the votes, no one can stop it, and they know it. The media events are just to sell more newspapers. Even if some democrats lose their seats because of their vote, they will just receive some juicy appointment by the Obama administration for falling on the sword. The only bright spot being that when the president is shown to be ineligible ,everything he signed will be null and void.

Posted by: jagayan | August 21, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

jagayan wrote: "The letters against the stimulus bill were running 250-300 AGAINST it..."

Hey jagayan, which stimulus bill are you referring to? You mean the one passed by Bush? If you are talking about the Health Care bill which is what the current topic here is about, where did you get your statistics from? Fox News? You know you would get better and more reliable statistics from the National Enquirer than Fox News right.

Posted by: makelvin | August 24, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

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